#3270 RHOBH S15E14 Part 1: The Masked Zinger

Summary

Watch What Crappens: RHOBH S15E14 Part 1 – “The Masked Zinger”

Podcast Episode #3270 | Aired: March 20, 2026
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam

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Episode Overview

In this laugh-packed installment, Ben and Ronnie sink their comedic teeth into the first half of the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Season 15, Episode 14 (“The Masked Zinger”). The Housewives are in Florence—shopping, sniping, and stirring up drama with everything from “cum gutters” to Zara dresses, Pinocchio insults, and endless shade. The hosts revel in the petty, dissecting micro-dramas with trademark irreverence, and highlight surprising moments of realness, vulnerability, and hilarity.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Florence, Fashion, and Luggage Fiascos

Timecode: 03:08 – 07:28

• The episode opens in Florence with the Housewives doing what they do best: SHOPPING (“Let’s all put on our Dolce and walk about the streets of Florence and…dresses and glasses and dresses.” – Ben, 02:07).
• Sutton’s luggage is missing, leading Kyle to “generously” offer her a backup dress (“It was maybe a backup.” – Kyle, via Ben, 05:21).
• Both hosts eviscerate the fashion hierarchy and the difference between high and low fashion. Ronnie riff: “Kyle puts dresses in her purse or her luggage that are ugly just in case someone needs one because there is no way Kyle was going to wear this dress. This dress is hideous.” (06:14)

2. Zara Shade and Reluctant Roommates

Timecode: 07:05 – 13:06

• Sutton hilariously claims her mystery dress is from “Salvation Army, but they spelled it Z-A-R-A, Zara.” (Ben, 07:17).
• There’s tension between Sutton and her roommate, Amanda, with pillow-stealing and laptop-wielding fueling Sutton’s passive-aggressive rage.
• Ronnie: “I actually thought that was so bad that she took her pillow off of Sutton’s bed and…juiced it under her laptop. That’s not right.” (12:01)
• Ben summarizes, “Sutton, who’s very familiar with things on a chill level.” (12:37)

3. Amanda’s Appetite and the Group Dynamic

Timecode: 10:31 – 13:44

• Amanda’s eating is a running joke (“Sometimes I feel like a nut, sometimes I don’t. I’m manifesting mounds.” – Ben, 11:04)
• The hosts note the “room on wheels” car rides, martini spills on Kathy Hilton, and the chaos of traveling in a group of frenemies: “Of all the people to spill on, that’s the one. Kathy Hilton.” (Ben, 10:17)

4. Dueling Dishonest Books and the Sbarro Tangent

Timecode: 13:44 – 15:08

• Housewives plot points about cults and book deals inspire Ronnie and Ben to riff about dueling dishonest memoirs and the supposed glamour of Sabaro pizza.
• “Why can’t I stop talking about Sbarro? I brought it up like ten times.” (Ronnie, 14:21)

5. Statue of David, “Cum Gutters,” and Classy Shade

Timecode: 18:14 – 22:41

• The Housewives visit the David statue, prompting a discussion about Renaissance art, and the infamous “cum gutters” line from Erica:
  • “The real art aficionado here. She’s like, ‘Oh, yeah, everybody notice the cum gutters.’” (Ben, 21:12)
  • Ronnie breaks it down further: “Only someone who dates thin men would say that, because…to anybody chubby, your cum gutter is your belly button.” (21:12)
• Sutton pleads ignorance: “I don’t know that word, and I’ve been trained by gay men my whole life!” (Sutton, paraphrased by Ben, 24:22)

6. Plague Masks, Pinocchio Insults, and a Masked Zinger

Timecode: 25:31 – 37:26

• The Housewives see plague masks and handmade Pinocchio dolls, leading to Bose calling Amanda “Pinocchio”:
  • “Who would be our Pinocchio? … Amanda.” (Bose, as recounted by hosts, 26:37)
  • This seemingly throwaway insult snowballs into an episode-long micro-drama.
  • “It’s just so funny that literally, there’s been a lot of talk about Miami being put on pause while Beverly Hills goes forward. … On this show, it’s like, ‘who would be Pinocchio?’ Amanda! And it’s the big controversy.” (Ben, 28:34)
• Amanda’s muted reaction and subsequent victimhood are lampooned (“Instead…just goes and runs to Kyle…” – Ronnie, 29:10).
• Natalie is called as a witness in the group (“Natalie was just called upon at the meeting, or on the Zoom, and she was just checking her phone.” – Ben, 35:31).

7. Shopping Divides and Dolce & Gabbana Privilege

Timecode: 29:18 – 32:57

• Sutton, Bose, and Jennifer are whisked to Dolce & Gabbana for VIP treatment, while others browse Maras and Bottega.
• The hosts lampoon the Housewives’ self-congratulatory “friendships” with luxury brands:
  • “They’re not your friends, you’re rich, okay?” (Ronnie, 31:04)
  • “The expectation is that you spend as much money as they would have made if their doors were open that day. So ka’ching, ka’ching, baby.” (Bose via Ronnie, 31:28)

8. Amanda’s Insecurity and “Fake” Allegations

Timecode: 34:14 – 39:42

• Post-shopping, Amanda processes being called a “mask”/fake, enlists Kyle for backup, and Natalie tries to stay neutral.
• Kyle’s hypocrisy is skewered for feigning outrage over petty shade she herself traffics in:
  • “Kyle makes these kind of jokes all the time…” (Ben, 36:31)
  • “This is so much lighter than what Kyle said about Rachel Zoe in the Hamptons…” (Ben, 36:57)

9. Outfit Changes, More Shopping, and More Banter

Timecode: 43:43 – 47:30

• Dorit’s willingness to immediately wear new purchases is marveled at (“Dorit’s just one of those people who will walk out wearing the outfit.” – Ronnie, 43:31).
• Ronnie questions if rich people’s clothes literally smell better.
• Ben and Ronnie trend off with comedic tangents about Banana Republic, Sbarro, and shirts with pizza stains.

10. Rachel and Dorit, Sutton's Social Struggles

Timecode: 52:19 – 57:53

• Rachel and Dorit discuss Sutton’s jealousy and the politics of “cool girls” and group inclusion:
  • “There’s just—she [Sutton] puts out an energy and obviously Rachel has picked up on it…” (Ben, 53:07)
• The hosts analyze Sutton’s intent (wanting Amanda to stand up for herself) and the meta-narrative of proxy Housewife battles.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Ronnie on Zara Shade:
  “She believe it’s Zara.” (07:23)
• Sutton on her Dress:
  “I believe it’s Salvation Army, but they spelled it ZARA.” (Ben as Sutton, 07:17)
• On Plague Doctors & Italian Tourism:
  “Italy is like, ‘Oh, enjoy your time in gorgeous Italy—remember the Plague!’” (Ben, 26:10)
• On the Statues:
  “Why is his wiener one inch?” (Ronnie, 19:16)
• Erica on Art Analysis:
  “That’s those muscles right there, baby. The cum comes out—the cum goes down the gutters…” (Ben paraphrasing Erica, 23:19)
• Natalie the Bystander:
  “Natalie was just called upon at the meeting or on the Zoom, and she was just checking her phone...” (Ben, 35:31)
• Ronnie on Housewives’ Luxury Brand “Friends”:
  “They are sponges. They’re probably just gay guys named Stefano who put on wigs...” (31:09)

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Important Segments & Timestamps

| Time | Segment | |-----------|------------------------------------------------| | 03:08 | Fashion shopping kicks off in Florence | | 05:44 | Sutton’s egg yolk/yellow dress saga | | 07:17 | Sutton’s “Zara” shade | | 13:44 | Cults, memoirs, and the Sbarro pizza riff | | 18:14 | David’s statue and “cum gutters” | | 26:37 | The Pinocchio-zinger and Amanda friction | | 31:04 | The Dolce & Gabbana privilege | | 36:31 | Amanda confides in Kyle – hypocrisy breakdown | | 43:31 | Dorit wears her new outfit out the door | | 52:19 | Rachel & Dorit dissect Sutton’s jealousy | | 55:30 | Sutton’s take on Amanda’s passivity | | 57:53 | End of Part 1 |

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Episode Tone & Style

True to form, Ben and Ronnie blend sharp Housewives analysis with relentless comedic jabs and absurd tangents. Their banter swings from pop-culture references, self-deprecating confessions, to inventive analogies about everything from department stores to Renaissance art. The hosts maintain their signature tone: loving mockery, affectionate asides about the cast, and genuine appreciation for the theater of Bravo drama.

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Takeaways

• Florence trip equals new opportunities for microdrama: misplaced luggage, couture shade, and passive aggressiveness thrive in Italy.
• The “Masked Zinger” (Bose calling Amanda “Pinocchio”) becomes a microcosm of Beverly Hills pettiness—a throwaway insult snowballing into a storyline.
• Layered group dynamics highlight the difference between being “in” and “out,” with Sutton once again on the outside looking in.
• The hosts’ comedic sideshows (Sabaro, Banana Republic, Canasta emails) are integral to their podcast identity, giving fans both the Housewives hits and hilariously off-topic riffs.

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End of Part 1 Recap. For the continuation, see Part 2.

Transcript

[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

Shopping, y'. All. It's shopping on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. But we're doing it in Florence first. It's all the same floor stores they always go to. But in Florence, it's like any American that travels, like, oh, my God, I can't wait to try. I can't wait to shop in Denver. The Old Navy in Denver is so different. It's, like, so different here, you guys. They have exclusive things. They have more hoodies.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Well, I. I did hear that retail stores do stock a little bit differently.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Because, you know, but, like, I love how serious we got, guys. Wait, no, hold on a second. You're like, huh? Yeah. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

You'll find a lot of more T shirts with fish on them in Texas than you will.

[Ben Mandelker]

But that being said, it's still like, kind of like Dolce Gabana there versus Dolce Gabbana here. Okay, fine. But, yeah, exciting times.

[Ronnie Karam]

I know. And cabana. Okay. So I know the store. For me, it's like, really? Because there's a lot of strangers in this store. A lot of strangers. Private. Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

Congrats to Natalie Fuller for interacting with the show in a way that caused someone to react in a light way. So you. You finally made it, Natalie.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know, Natalie reminds me of somebody in an audience. Like, I watch what happens live audience, when we go tour and we do live shows and stuff, and there's someone who's drunk, and they're just, like, kind of enjoying the show or whatever. And then they start talking back to us, and people get mad, and they're just, like, having a conversation with us. But then the second we turn and we're like, excuse me, Would you shut the up? They're like, why are you talking to me? They're like, you can hear me? I can't believe you can even hear. They're, like, looking around, like, is he. Is he talking to me? Yes, I'm talking to you. And they're like, what? That's Natalie's look. Like someone just realized she was there for the first time. She's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I thought this was on tv.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, she didn't realize she was actually being filmed as part of this show. So we're here in Florence. Florence, beautiful. We're in the. With the villa and there's, you know, everyone's getting ready. Erica is getting her glam done. What a shock. And she's like, gotta look a little Florence. And Bose is choosing between two different outfits. She's going, eeny, meenie, miny, moe. Catch a killy by the toe.

[Ronnie Karam]

If he hollers, support him for the rest of his life without a job. Eeny, meenie. Oh, fuck it. I'm wearing this one. I don't care any money Mo. Stupid bitch. I'm. I'm not listening to you. Never trust game.

[Ben Mandelker]

Stupid game. Kyle's room. Kyle. Sudden, sudden. Luggage, luggage, luggage. Her luggage has not arrived yet. So Kyle is giving Sutton a egg yoli yellow dress. And she's like, K's like, oh, hold on one second. Let me take the price tag off, okay? And Son's like, it's okay. I'm not judging. And the producer, Kyle's like, telling the producers, well, I mean, it's not one of my top tier outfits. It was maybe a backup.

[Ronnie Karam]

Kyle puts dresses in her purse or her luggage that are ugly just in case someone needs one because there is no way Kyle was going to wear this dress. This dress is hideous. I feel like Kyle was like, sutton lost her luggage production. Go get me the ugliest dress you can find and I'll pretend I brought it for. I don't see Kyle in that dress. That she was ugly. And you really do see the difference in quality when they're wearing something like that compared to, like, the really expensive things. Because I didn't know that there was really that big of a difference. You know, I was like, clothes are close. Who cares?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

So that one has some LVs all over it. Why is that worth all the extra money? But it is. It looks different.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Poor people.

[Ronnie Karam]

What must we look like to these ladies? You know, they probably just look at us and they're like, is Bette Midler gonna come by and clean that up off the side of the road? Because that trash.

[Ben Mandelker]

We just look like the ensemble from Les Mis. So the producer is like. Like, we're just like, so sudden. What's the. What's the brand that you're wearing that Kyle gave you? And Sutton goes, I believe it's Salvation army, but they spelled it Z a R A Zara.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's trying to be okay with it. She believe it's Zara.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's not happy. But wasn't it just Rachel recently who did. Who was wearing Zara when Rachel's like, zara. They have, like, the best stuff. It was, like, her sister Pamela. Was it Kyle?

[Ronnie Karam]

Kyle was. Yeah, it was Kyle. She's like, look at Zara. She's like, yeah, Zara has, like, great stuff sometimes. I would never wear it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Done for Zara.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. It's just.

[Ben Mandelker]

Speaking of which, Rachel and Dorit are. They're in Rachel's room, and you know, Rachel sort of like, she's really mad because Raj told Kai Kayas. Kai. Kai. And sky that he has a girlfriend, and it was, like, not supposed to happen. So Rachel is furious, but she can't do anything because no one's woken up yet back in America.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So I could really hurt me to get the text from Kai. Kai in the middle of the night about his dad introducing him to the girlfriend. But you know what? What if he's fine? Like, he could be fine. I don't want to jump on a plane on the way home. Like, that's stupid. Like, he could be fine. Maybe he's not fine. I'll just send him to the Hamptons. I'll send him to his nanny. The Hamptons. Everything's okay in the Hampton.

[Ben Mandelker]

So she decides, yeah, she's gonna shop. She's gonna shop till she drops.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm so confused about this, because weren't they talking about the girlfriend showing up when they were on their way to camp? Like, didn't they already know about the girlfriend?

[Ben Mandelker]

I think they met her, but they didn't know that she was a girlfriend. Is that possible?

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, what did they think when Rachel kept saying her. Her. Who showed up? Her. Okay, listen, guys, if you see her and you want to take a baseball bat and hit her like a pinata, do it. What do they think she meant? But by the way, I'm not standing up for Roger. I'm just confused about, like, what she's telling the kids and that why they're so surprised that there's a girlfriend. Because I feel like we've seen them talk about the girlfriend, like, five times on camera. But it's so sad when you hear him crying. He's like, I want to go out. Let me go home or let me go to the Hamptons.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I. But we'll get to that. So the vans arrive because they're gonna go into town and they're gonna shop. We're gonna shop and erase all the. All the drama from Raj. So Kyle, Kathy, and Amanda get into a car. And Kathy is like, oh, you're in a Richard sandwich.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh.

[Ben Mandelker]

So I did Jeff Lewis yesterday, and I was on with mj, and MJ was really upset because she had a story that she wanted to tell on the air, and she didn't get to tell it, but she said that she went to this Threads dinner the other night. By the way, thanks a lot, Threads. Thanks a lot for the. For the non invite. And she said that there was a waiter who had a tray of. A full tray of espresso martinis, and he spilled all of them on Kathy Hilton. Oh, no, Someone has a photo or a video somewhere, please. And sorry, by the way, sorry, mj, if I skipped your story that you told me. But, like, I had to be told. It has to be told. And yeah, I have. She said it was, like, all down Kathy's back. It was just. I was like, oh, of all the people to spill on, that's the one. Kathy Hilton.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, Threads is not going to be going to the Kathy Hilton Christmas party. So they're talking about dinner plans, and Amanda's like, are you guys even able to eat when dinners get toast? Because I can't even when dinners get toast.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. For those who are wondering about Amanda's appetite update, there it is. Sometimes I feel like a nut, and sometimes I don't. I'm manifesting mounds.

[Ronnie Karam]

Kyle and Kathy both eat more when they're stressed. And in the other car, Jennifer is like, I still can't believe Sutton volunteered to share a room with Amanda. Why? Why would she do that?

[Ben Mandelker]

And then in the Rachel, Sutton and Natalie van, Rachel was like, I can't wait to hear Sutton's stunts on rooming with Amanda. And something's like, well, I came up to her to the room after breakfast this morning, and she was on her laptop tapping away on my pillow. And we see footage, by the way, Rachel's like, not Leslie. She's already in her makeup. She's like, I can't wait to hear what Sutton has to say. I wish you were here in this band with us right now. Does anyone know where Sutton is? Like, I'm right here. Did you not hear me complain about the tapping on my pillow?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, we see footage of Amanda being in bed, being like, I need a pillow. Maybe I'll just take her pillow. She won't mind. She does mind. The squinty. Does the squinty.

[Ben Mandelker]

How do you take someone's pillow? How do you make someone that put their head on? And you're gonna put your laptop on it? I mean, I'm sure it's, like, not that big of a deal, generally because it's a laptop, but, like, Sutton doesn't know what's on the bottom of your laptop. Use something else. Use your bag. I actually thought that was so bad that she took her pillow off of Sutton's bed and. And juiced it under her laptop. That's. Oh, that's not right.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, my God. That just gave me anxiety.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, my God, I need to, like, moisturize. Like, Kaise. I'm so anxious. So, Sutton, like, I wanted to ring

[Ronnie Karam]

with Amanda so I could get to know her, you know, like, on a chill level. Me. That's me. Sutton Brown.

[Ben Mandelker]

Sutton. Sutton, who's very familiar with things on a chill level.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know, not. Not having to talk about her business or. Or manifestation journaling. Instead, I'm stuck in a room with this woman talking about the book she's writing as she's writing it. I'm like, you know what? Can't we just talk about, like, how cute the Chloe Fall line is and, like, what we're going to buy? Like, come on. You know what I'm not going to do? I'm not going to listen to somebody typing on pillow. That's what I'm not going to do.

[Ben Mandelker]

Come back to us, Sutton. Strike. We see glimmers of you. Yeah, Sudden. Sudden Brown. Nice. Sutton Brown is being replaced by classic Sutton Strack. You are typing on my pillow. Um, so the groups, they. They are all like, oh, my God, look at Florence. It's beautiful. As we drive by as the Dorit is, like, back to Amanda last night, she says the whole thing about how she's so happy I brought up the cult, because now she's staring at her new book, and she jumped in. In that mat in, like, a matter of seconds. Like, I'm gonna spin it into my new book. And it's not honest. I am not buying it. I am absolutely not buying that she's gonna turn this into a book, and I will write about it in my new book, unburdened.

[Ronnie Karam]

In my own dishonest book, Unburdened. So now I like that we've got dueling dishonest books. We've got Amanda talking about youth group like it's a cult, and then we've got Dorinda. Well, I mean, I guess PK was a burden, but still, I cannot wait. Dorinda. I can't wait to hear what Dorit's book is like. And then I realized they had a very glamorous restaurant in the airport in France called super cool Sbarro. Dorit. Why can't I stop talking about Sbarro? This week I brought up like 10 times.

[Ben Mandelker]

You mentioned it so many times. I. I did almost get some pizza in the Austin airport. I was like, why do I want. Why am I craving pizza? Beyond the normal craving of pizza, of course. I was like, oh, it's because Ronnie has mentioned Sbaro like 15 times. You know what? Don't stop.

[Ronnie Karam]

But you know what? Saro is actually pretty decent junk pizza, I have to say.

[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ronnie Karam]

Don't worry, we're with Natalie and we're going to get something sexy because Natalie's here. Natalie Fuller, for those of you who don't know, is here on this cast. And she's like, I was thinking we could go see David's wiener while we're here. I'm Natalie. I'm sexy.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm sexy and naughty. I just said wiener, of course. Erica's like, move over. Come got us. So they come, guys, they approach, they go to the statue of David, which I didn't realize. I guess I did know David was outside, but I also was like, I don't know, it looked so like it was like up against the side of the wall. I don't know, it just felt like it needed to. I thought it'd be a more prominent place.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, David placement.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, yeah, that's what I felt like. There should have Been like, I felt like David chose the wrong house on House Hunters. I was like, really? You chose house number two? But it's like, so you said you didn't want to be close to all the traffic. Exactly. It doesn't meet any of your needs, David.

[Ronnie Karam]

So one time, I think it was during Beverly Hills, we were talking about going to Italy and seeing the statues and like walking away with the feeling of these are small wieners. Right? Because like, this is a 20 foot tall man. Why is his wiener one inch? And we had this discussion and then we got a lot of comments about it and why that is. And they said it was considered really tacky back then to show a big wiener. So they made them small. Like a big. A big dick was like low class or something. That's crazy. I wonder if David was just pissed off about that or if he was like, oh, yeah, that's my tiny winner. I'm a classy David.

[Ben Mandelker]

Societal norms are awful sometimes. You know, I think I also told. I think when we're talking about this, I talked about how I went to the British Museum in London and they have a David replica. And it's enormous and hot as. Because I walked in from behind and so I didn't even know it was a David replica. All I saw was like a giant foot and the most beautiful calf I'd ever seen. I was like, this is calf goals right here. Of course it was like, you know, it was so hot, so tall. And then there was like this butt, the beautiful back. I was like, wow. And I turned around, it was like, guess what, it's David. I was like, oh, now I understand why David is like a thing. Because like, you see the statue, it's like a hot statue. Good for him.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. The why so many people are named David. Every parent is like, I want a kid with a body like that. My hill be I'll rule the world.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I. What was interesting is that when I saw that replica and it's like an old replica, it's like literally from like 900 AD, but I saw replica. Yeah. And when I was. I was reading actually the plaque about

[Ronnie Karam]

it and what was still play outside.

[Ben Mandelker]

But one thing that was so interesting that I didn't. When I. When I looked at the plaque, one thing that I was. So what was fascinating to me is that Michelangelo, when he made it, he was like, I want the patrons of Florence of the Renaissance to make sure they notice the cum gutters. So it's so funny that Erica really picked up on that because that was Part of the design. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

The real art aficionado here. She's like, oh, yeah, Everybody notice the cum gutters. I was like, only. Only someone who dates like thin men would say that, because, like, to anybody, chubby, your cum gutter is your belly button. And it's disgusting. We don't brag about it. So Buzz is like, I'm sorry, what did you say? She's like, the cum gutters, come on. Look at the cumgutters. And so. But they're all trying to figure it out. And pose is like, come again? Cum gutter. What is a cum gutter? And the rate's like, what is a cum gutter exactly?

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, come grande. Which is Italian come getters.

[Ronnie Karam]

I know what a cum sputter is. That's a pique. He goes, oh, oh. And then you wait while it bloop, bloop. Sort of shorts. But unburdened. I'm unburdened. That's the point.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know about eight gutters, as in, PK ate something out of the gutter. Jennifer's like, is that a penis? And Amanda's like, does that mean, like, pubes, by the way? What is. Why would you ever think pubes are a come, even if you don't know what a come gutter is? What a what? She's just. She's awful as it falls.

[Ronnie Karam]

Did you. I never heard. Yeah, I did come gutter.

[Ben Mandelker]

I did. Yeah. Yeah, It's. It's. I think. I don't think it's like, see, Bob? But I'm not good. Goodness. I. I definitely don't have a cum gutter, though. Or I don't have two.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, I said, you date a thin person.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, I thought he said, I'm a thin person. I was like, no, it's like, well,

[Ronnie Karam]

you are a thin person, but you're not a competitor person.

[Ben Mandelker]

You're not like, I don't have any.

[Ronnie Karam]

You don't. You know, you don't work out to that degree. But you. You are thin. You're very good looking. I'm not saying you're ugly. I'm just saying you date like a very built man, you know? Yes, I'd imagine.

[Ben Mandelker]

I have witnessed. I have witnessed them, but I have yet to actually have my own. It's like seeing a sports car. Not that I want one. Oh. But it's more like a very fancy Kia. I was like, that's. That's something to aspire to. I don't know.

[Ronnie Karam]

Some people have. Some people have washboard abs, and I have a laundry bag. So I feel like we go together.

[Ben Mandelker]

I have a whirlpool. I don't need a washboard. I've got a whirlpool machine right there. And it is constantly swirling. So Erica says, that's those muscles right there, baby. The come comes out. Comes out the gutter. It goes down the gutters because those muscles are deeper. What are the odds that, like, before Erica went out, she was in glam, and she's like, yeah, we're gonna go see the statue of David. And then her makeup arts was like, oh, my God, he's got calm Godders. Oh, my God. What the are you talking about? You know when you jerk off on yourself with a come? Goes right down those gutters. Okay, I'm gonna use that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Erica's personality comes from some gay guy. So Mikey. It's Mikey. Who we haven't seen, right? Have we seen Mikey yet? Where's Mikey? Free Mikey, Literally. That's why they started calling him, because he doesn't pay him anymore.

[Ben Mandelker]

He fell down a well.

[Ronnie Karam]

He's like, free Mikey.

[Ben Mandelker]

He fell down a well. There's some dog that's trying to save him. She's like, what? What are you saying, dog? Mikey fell down a well. Having sex down there don't bother him. Oh.

[Ronnie Karam]

So we go to Sutton, and she's like, I don't know that word. And I've been trained by gay man my whole life, so I haven't heard that one. Sorry, son.

[Ben Mandelker]

You have not been trained by gammon. We'll tell you that right now. There's.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think she meant ballet, right?

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, that's true. Mer. Merce, Kathy says.

[Ronnie Karam]

Doesn't sound the same, does it?

[Ben Mandelker]

Merce is in the cum gutter. Kathy said. Did you see his hands and feet? The size? Wow. Rich. Like, cafe just. Yeah. I mean, just think of those warm hands and those big, giant feet. Like the Jolly Green Giant, but like very white. Jolly White Giant. A nice stroll on the bridge with David. That'd be nice. Him putting you on his shoulders, feeling the breeze and the water. Wait. Him putting you on his shoulders. What? You're. What are you, like, seven? Feeling the breeze. Water trickling down your thighs, down to your knees. Your feet are wet. Realize that you've actually fallen. Bridge.

[Ronnie Karam]

Sorry. I still feeder wet Presso martinis on you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Your feet are wet because David crashed into a waiter carrying a tray of espresso martinis. As it's drawn to shoulders, your feet are the things that hit the martinis first. It all makes sense.

[Ronnie Karam]

The waiter tripped over his Big feet. So, Jennifer. So anyway, so now they're walking around, you know, all pondering cum gutters, as we all are, and they see these handcrafted Pinocchio figurines. And Kathy's like, look at the Pinocchios. I want to get some Pinocchios. And then we see plague doctor masks.

[Ben Mandelker]

Italy, it's like, they're really. They're very, you know, let the good times roll. They. It's. There's no masks that are like masquerade masks, but has the long nose, like a woody woodpecker nose that comes forward, you know, that you see in, like, all those masquerade balls.

[Ronnie Karam]

I love that. Italy is like, oh, enjoy your time in gorgeous Italy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Remember the Plague, Okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

Chanel's that way.

[Ben Mandelker]

Remember the Plague. It's Countess Levand. As the official Italian tourism. I used to be. I used to do game shows here. Remember the plague? That's what the game show was called. P is for the way you plague with me line. Luann. L. You just started the word. I'm sorry I called you a pedophile.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, Luanne, it's a different song. So then Amanda is telling us what the actual. Oh, so Natalie's like, yeah. I mean, look at those masks. I mean, who would be our Pinocchio? And both goes, Amanda, which is rude. That's so shitty. And she's standing right next to Amanda, you know, so it was kind of one of those, like, ha, ha ha. Maybe Amanda probably heard me call her Pinocchio. I'm. I'm surprised that came out of Bose, because I'd like Bose, like, no nonsense, call it like it is type thing. But I don't think I've ever known her to be just, like, kind of mean girling somebody. I thought that was out of character. I thought.

[Ben Mandelker]

I thought it was fine. It was shade. She gave some shade. I mean, I thought it was.

[Ronnie Karam]

They all give shade. I was just to hear something like that from Bose because she seems like ab.

[Ben Mandelker]

It. I was. I was happy. I was happy to hear it from Bose. And I was.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's so funny because I wasn't like, oh, I'm writing you a demerit. I laughed. I was just surprised it was from her. If it was from, like, Sutton or Dorit or literally anybody else, I would have been like, oh, whatever. Some light shade. But coming from Bose, I was like, oh, my God. I thought.

[Ben Mandelker]

I was proud of her.

[Ronnie Karam]

I love it.

[Ben Mandelker]

I was proud of her because I feel like Bose, like, in her confessional, she can be a Little bit of a. Like, a. She shows potential for being a shade assassin. So I was happy for her to have a shady moment. And I love that. This stupid little comment about, like, who's. Who would be a Pinocchio in the group. Amanda is, like, now gonna be a thing, and it turns into thing at the end of the episode. And it's just so funny that literally, you know, there's been a lot of talk about Miami being put on pause while Beverly Hill goes. Goes forward. You have one show where you have Adriana saying she had sex with a Haitian mortician and had to give him a. A coffee maker. Forgot about that.

[Ronnie Karam]

And you have even Miss me. You miss my.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. You have a show like Salt Lake City that's like your husband has one foot in the grave and the other foot on a banana peel. And then it's like, people, like, say, like, they just go for the jugular, right? And then in this show, it's like, who would be like, a Pinocchio? Amanda. It's like, whoa, Whoa.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's the biggest controversy of the.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's just crazy, you know?

[Ronnie Karam]

So Amanda's like, what the. I'm, like, right here. I'm, like, right here. Okay, well, you are right there. So why don't you turn around and say, what'd you say? I'm Pinocchio. What the.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Instead, she just goes.

[Ronnie Karam]

Instead of running to Kyle and, like, getting a script to go carry forward and making it a huge thing. Like, what are you, five? Just turn around and say something.

[Ben Mandelker]

Something. Well, just when you thought there might be something happening, it's time to go shopping. So they're gonna split up, guys, because Sutton and. And Bose and Jennifer are gonna go to Dolce. I could only get us three spots into Dolce. It'll be just us. Because if Dolce and Gabbana. If there's one thing Dolce and Gabbana is known for, it's that they don't like accommodating several famous people. Only three at a time.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, sure.

[Ben Mandelker]

Said you're only allowed to bring in three because we need to split up the groups that we can. You guys can talk about each other and then together and compare notes and get mad.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So Jennifer is like, we can get you new clothes that 10 since your suitcase hasn't arrived. And so they go in to shop for new clothes for her. And Sutton's like, well, Bose has picked on my clothes before, so I thought I would bring her into my layer and see if she has the balls to make Fun of my clothes in front of dg. That's what I call them.

[Ben Mandelker]

We're friends and a flashback to watch what happens live in case the audience, who was very invested in this situation want to know, did Bose really make fun of Sutton's clothing? It's like, I mean, no shade, but if. If she got her fashion together, homegirl would be. So then. And Andy's like, wow. So now we go back to Dolce and Gabbana, and they are greeted by another Stefano, because apparently they only are going to meet people named Stefano. And. And then they, guess what? It's time to shop. Jennifer's like, I already see something that I like. So she disappears. And Stefano's like, Bjorn giorno. Can I get you guys something fresh to drink? And so, like, I would love something fresh drink. That would be lovely. As someone who had her pillow tapped on, I need a refreshment to drink away the memory of that vicious image.

[Ronnie Karam]

Now, I've known Dolce and Gabbana for, gosh, over 10 years now. And of course they're gonna open up their doors for me, because that's what friends would do. That's what friends would do. They're not your friends. You're rich. Okay? And they're sponges. They are sponges. They're probably just gay guys named Stefano who put on wigs the second they

[Ben Mandelker]

see you coming wearing Pinocchio masks.

[Ronnie Karam]

They are not friends. They are gross. Okay? And you're a rich lady. So Bose is. Bose tells us, well, the expectation is that just spend as much money as they would have made if their doors were open that day. So ka ching, kaching, baby.

[Ben Mandelker]

So champagne shows up and they. They're drinking and, you know, now the other group of shoppers, which is Rachel, Kyle, Erica, Dorit, Amanda, Kathy, Natalie, they go to other stores. Oh, my God. Antonio, Maras. And oh, my God, look at this clothing. And Amanda is like, this is a cute set. Oh, yeah, that could work. It's. It's just browsing. It's browsing. It's nice. It's beautiful. Beautiful clothing.

[Ronnie Karam]

So back at Speechy, as I call them, Jennifer is picking up a leopard print high heel, and she's like, oh, this shoe snarls. This shoe's like a shoe, but it goes like this. Okay, so she's pecking out dresses, and she's like, I'm gonna whisper you my size, Stefano. Okay, yeah. And probably a size up or two as well.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then the other one other store, Rachel's trying on the jacket. She's like, this Jacket is life. I came out of my mother's stomach wearing this dress. I'm like, wearing this dress, this jacket out of my. My mother's womb. I was like, I've arrived. I'm like, dead. I'm dead. I cannot believe this. Look how chic I look, mother. I like, I can't. I live here now. I live here. I live here in the. In the hospital. I live here. I love it. I'm never going back.

[Ronnie Karam]

By the way, she looks insane. And this thing that she's wearing, it's a black caftan with fur all over. Not fur, feathers all over it. And like big, like pasted on flowers on the front. She looks like a five year old dressed like that. Her mom's funeral outfit. She looks cray cray.

[Ben Mandelker]

I enjoyed it personally. I just thought it was. I enjoyed it looking kind of crazy. But that's what the matters most is it. Did Rachel enjoy it? And I think she did. And Rachel was like, my shopping process anywhere is going to be the same. Go hard and fast. And. I have this thing when I'm in Europe, which is that like, God, it's so much better than Beverly Hills. But also money is like, not real. Like, actually, like, actually, like, it doesn't count if I spend money over here because it's in Euros, right?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So then Dorit is talking about a bag, baggy beige outfit she wants, and Rachel's like, love it. You know what? I love you in some menswear. So do it. You can do it better than Kyle. Kyle tries, though. She tries. And Kyle's like, the thought of shopping in Florence, oh, my God, it like, gets to me. I love shopping. I can shop anywhere. I love shopping. That's my whole person shopping, shopping.

[Ben Mandelker]

I could shop in, like, Florence and I can shop in Milan. Like, I just could shop anywhere. I love it so much. Oh, and cut. Now they leave. It's like, time to go somewhere else. That's. It's like Louis Vuitton Bottega over there. I'm still processing, by the way. I'm still processing what you told me in the store. Amanda, 15 minutes earlier, these were there, these masks hanging on one of the market kiosks. And Bo said, look, it's Amanda the mask. The mask is Amanda. Shut up. Oh, my God. This is like one of the most vicious things that anyone could ever say. We should probably have a confrontation about this later in the episode.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm a little shocked. Like, who did she. Who exactly did she say that to? And it's like, I Think Erica was standing right there. And I think Natalie. You were standing right there, right? And Natalie's like, what did you hear? Both. When she saw mask and she said, look, it's Amanda. She goes, I. I did see that. Yes. So I heard it, right? She goes, yes. Wait, Natalie, wait, wait, stop, stop, wait. She saw a mask and she said, look, there's Amanda. Is that what you heard? She goes, well, I mean, she was joking. Yeah, she was joking. I heard her joking.

[Ben Mandelker]

Natalie was just called upon at the meeting or on the Zoom, and she was just checking her phone. She was, like, just looking at, like, Twitter. And she's like, yes, I did see that. There was a joke. What are we talking about again? Gum gutters. So now he's like, yeah, I do think it was. I think. I mean, I was like, it was just a joke. But I. Like, it wasn't a nice joke. It was insinuating that I'm fake. And that was like. But I do think it was just a joke because you can tell Natalie also cannot stand Amanda because she's like, you're not gonna make me, like, turn against Bose, who I like, okay? Like, it was a joke. Get over it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, and also that it. So she's like, part of her must have been thinking, well, aren't you mad at me? I laughed at the joke. Like, why is it you're going for bows and not me? Like, we were making fun of you together. It was a team. It was a team thing. But Natalie's just like, huh. Well, I do think it was just a joke. And so Kyle turns her whole body, and she's like, there's no way you can spin that into being a funny joke. I mean, come on.

[Ben Mandelker]

Literally, you can. Literally, you can. Also Kyle, who, when Kyle does make. By the way, Kyle makes these kind of jokes all the time. Like, how many times per season does Kyle make a shitty little joke where she'd be the one. Like, it's Amanda. And, like. And then she will actually, when she gets called out on it, she will often be like, it's a joke. I mean, come on. Well, we can't joke anymore. Sorry about that. Like, this is so. And by the way, I would also like to add that this is so much lighter than what Kyle said about Rachel Zoe in the Hamptons, saying, well, you know what? Like, you know, she wonders why her marriage didn't work out when she cheated on Rod right before her wedding day. And she will go on the reunion when she gets called out about them. Be like, it was just A joke. What's the big deal? So, like, for Kyle, like, there's no way you could ever spin that into being a funny joke. I'm like, this was not, like, about 9 11. Okay. This is. It was a joke.

[Ronnie Karam]

Wow.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm saying something that you. Something you cannot spin into a joke very easily. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Natalie's like, well, I'm not trying to spin anything. She goes, well, I'm saying, like, you can. You can say it's a joke, but, like, that was not meant to be nice, Natalie. And she's like, well, I'm just saying that I heard it. Well, if someone said that about me, my feelings would be really hurt. Like, that would really hurt my feeling. Like, yeah. Like, I think there's this idea that I'm not authentic because I don't show enough emotion. But, like, I just see it as me being emotionally regulated and calm. And Natalie goes, well, why do you think people say that?

[Ben Mandelker]

Just, I love when she said that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Natalie's just looking at her like, why do I have to shoot with her? Isn't it bad enough I'm just like a friend of and getting nothing to do on this show? Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

And like, Natalie clearly does not like this girl. And she's like, well, so why do you think people say that all the time? She's well, I've never heard it before this in my life. I'm like, yeah, because it's being set behind your back. Okay. So Kyle's like, I don't know if this is coming out because Dorit doesn't like Amanda, but it feels really juvenile and mean. I'm like, okay, Kyle, Kyle, Kyle, who is often the icon of maturity in this group.

[Ronnie Karam]

I mean, look, I don't disagree that I thought it was mean too, but I just don't understand why Amanda didn't just turn to her and go, well,

[Ben Mandelker]

yeah, it wasn't nice.

[Ronnie Karam]

Pinocchio in my own Florence, you know, or something. Like, she should have said something. Like, to take it to Kyle is so weak. I think. Yeah. Kyle. To act like her regulator and her enforcer is really stupid. It's not even your business, Kyle. And you don't want to go up against Bose because Bose is not afraid of your ass. So I would just back right down. Kyle.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I'm not saying it was nice. Of course it wasn't nice. But it wasn't. Like, it wasn't the worst thing. It was. It was run of the mill shadiness that you get on a Real Housewives show. And Amanda should have just Been like, what the fuck? Like you said, she should have said, what the fuck? And honestly, even if she processes it later and it's like, you know what? I was thinking about that and it actually upset me. Then the way you say is, you know what? That was kind of fucked up. And I'm going to say something to her about it because that's like, fucked up. Not like, why would she say that? Like, it's like, why? Like, I'm not fake.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's like, oh my God, gotta go be a victim. Go cry to mommy and mommy will take care of it.

[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

So then we go back to Dolce, of course. Well, not before crows. Like I can't believe she said that. You're going to say something to her, right? You're going to say. Because that's all Kyle does. By the way, people were. We got quite a few comments last week of people who are like, I cannot believe you didn't talk about the leaf on Kyle's bus.

[Ben Mandelker]

I didn't see it last time, but I saw it this time in the previous lease.

[Ronnie Karam]

I just thought it was funny. Kyle was walking away from that scene like, you can't make a cat a dog while she had like a little tail in between her butt.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like a little leafy thing. Leaf has been acknowledged. Now we go back to Dolce and Gabbana. And now guess what? Jennifer and Bose are both wearing purple print dresses. And Jennifer then says, when I mean Dolce and Gabbana, I'm so happy. Like the world is full of possibility.

[Ronnie Karam]

You walk in an ordinary girl and you walk out with bags and bags of stuff that will make you more glamorous, like Italian type woman. And so she's just having the time of her life. Then, yes, they all leave. They're spending thousands, you know, thousands of dollars or whatever. And then Dorit is in a new outfit. Dorit's just one of those people who will walk out wearing the outfit. I need to wash something. I can't be just wearing your Old Navy smell. Do you think rich, rich people clothes smell better when you buy them? Like, are they pre washed perfumed or what?

[Ben Mandelker]

I, maybe. I, I also, I mean, I, I generally, I don't often walk out wearing the clothing I just bought, but I've done it before. Because you're like, this looks so good. I just need to be wearing this right now.

[Ronnie Karam]

You don't.

[Ben Mandelker]

I get it. You'll.

[Ronnie Karam]

I've been shopping with you where you will buy something and put it on and I just don't. I mean, I don't know. It smells so weird to me. I can't do it.

[Ben Mandelker]

I think, Yeah, I, I don't have. I'm kind of like, hey, world, do you want to see me wearing a shirt that has a crease going, A vertical crease going from my shoulder to my waist? It's happening because I'm wearing this right now.

[Ronnie Karam]

I wonder if it's like an Old Navy specific smell that I can't wear because I did go to my version of Dolce and Gabbana Banana Republic yesterday. To me, they're so fancy now. Banana Republic, they're like, would you like a 200 shirt? Not really. Crazy. You're Banana Republic, but you bananas. 50, huh?

[Ben Mandelker]

Are you bananas?

[Ronnie Karam]

Come on, bananas. I just didn't hear you. So, yeah, so anyway, I bought this nice shirt in there and I was like, I can wear this. It doesn't even stink. And then it got me thinking, is it because it was more expensive maybe? Actually, chomp on guys. Chomp on that one.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. But by the way, Banana Republic is so cute right now. It used to be like, it went through this like 15 year period where it was just like stuff you'd wear to the office. And now they have the cutest stuff. Whatever they're doing in there, keep doing it. And Banana and Sbarros, if Banana you can join, get in line behind Sbarros to be the sponsor of this podcast. We will.

[Ronnie Karam]

I was like, why does this Banana Republic shirt smell like sabaro? I'm eating a sabaro. Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

You're like, you're just, you just have a piece of pizza on your shirt. So. Okay, Bottega. So Dorit is. They're like waiting for Dorit because she's, she's not only checking out, but she's like talking to the person at the, at the front and she's. And they're like, come on, come on,

[Ronnie Karam]

we only have one hour. Hurry up.

[Ben Mandelker]

Sorry. Come on. That gum's going down the gutter.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm literally peeing. I'm peeing right now. Hold on. I'm talking to my new friend.

[Ben Mandelker]

I really enjoy shopping. It's entertainment. It's like leisure. It's my exercise. I mean, I love it. I want to take my time. Gee, I love looking at pretty things and saying, oh, should I or shouldn't I?

[Ronnie Karam]

Will my credit card work? Won't my credit card work? So then Erica's just getting pissed off, and she's standing by the door like, I take this.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm gonna walk away.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm gonna just walk the. Away from the r. Go. Why are you standing there? It's so weird. So Dorit spends 3,862. Yasta and Eric is like, come on. Jesus Christ. So Kathy's like, I'm just gonna go

[Ben Mandelker]

out and walk on my own. Okay, bye. This just in. A 5150 has been called on Dorit for spending $3,000 at the. In Italy. Oh, my God. She's lost her mind.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's mad.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's met. I'm, like, really concerned that she paid as much money for her clothing as really the rest of casted for all the things that they bought. So they are. Erica, like, almost falls over, but she doesn't. By the way, we didn't talk about the fact that Erica has her hair, like, in an updo, and she's wearing this leopard. She's basically, like, in.

[Ronnie Karam]

I was just before Rena found fashion.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Put the picture up. Erica's like. It's almost like, well. Well, someone very soon thinks that she's.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's 100 from Absolutely Fabulous and very Erica to be like, I'm gonna pull a gay icon moment. Like, no, but she did look great.

[Ben Mandelker]

I thought.

[Ronnie Karam]

But it was very Patsy Stone. But Patsy stone is famously modeled off Ivana Trump.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. It all comes together. So Dreed and Rachel.

[Ronnie Karam]

Am I right?

[Ben Mandelker]

Dorit and Rachel finally leave the store. And Rachel's like, by the way, Dorit, Caius called earlier.

[Ronnie Karam]

Flashback.

[Ben Mandelker]

And we see that Caius is on the phone. Rachel. And she's like, kai, are you okay? He's like, no. Oh, my God. Kai, go to the Hamptons. If you need to go to the Hamptons, go to the Hamptons. He needs to go to the Hamptons. Guys, get into the Hamptons. Stop. I'm like, I love. I know that her parents live out there, but there is also so Rachel Zoe to be like, when my family's in crisis, I just send them to the Hamptons.

[Ronnie Karam]

I Know when I was a little kid and didn't want to stay in school, I'd go to the nurse and then I'd call crying and be, I'm sick. And then I would. I would go to my Sithi's house, my grandma, and then I would play cards all day with her and her two sisters, Georgette and Louisa, and watch America, watch another world in Days of our Lives. So that's what I got to do. I. I could imagine, like, going to the nurse and your mom being like, oh, my God, you're sucking. Okay, I'm spending. I'm sending special forces and they're taking you to the Hamptons.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, everyone, we're going to need to have an emergency landing. Please clear the Runway. Kaius is coming to the Hamptons. He needs to be there. He needs to be restored. Okay, thanks. He's going to go. He's going to go to Common Grounds. By the way, did you speak of your. Your city, etc. Did you see that we got an email from the canasta guy?

[Ronnie Karam]

What? What's a canasta guy?

[Ben Mandelker]

Did you not see this? I thought I forwarded to you.

[Ronnie Karam]

No. And do you know I have canasta tonight with my mom's friends.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm telling you about this right now. So when we did our Amazon live a few weeks ago, you highlighted a canasta set because we were talking about.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

And how it's important to your family. The inventor of that canasta set saw it and sent us an email and he was like, like, you know what? I love this clip. You guys crack me up. And I invented this, a kanassa set for my grandma or my mother or something like that. And like, I did it for her. And like, so, like, it means a lot. The point is, like, the president of Canasta reached out and he, like, you should respond to him.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, my God, the president of Canasta Deluxe game set.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, the canasta. Mr. Canasta called and he's like, oh, my God.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm writing him back right now. Ramon Gonzalez, founder Ramon Gonzalez. Get out of my dreams and into my car.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, as. As a gamer, I'm so happy for you right now that Mr. Canasta reached out to you. I came from Gonzalez and you better brag about it tonight at canasta. Be like, hey, hey, mom. Just want you to know I know the guy who made this Knesset set. The power. Power of media, you know, so while. Yeah, so Sutton may know Dolce and Gabbana. We know a Guy who made a canassa set. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know what? We can get canasta sets because we've been friends for years. That's what friends do for each other. You know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna play canasta. So I'm going to.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, my God. Someone send sky to the Hamptons. This is too much. This is, like, too much drama for him. Send him to the Hamptons. Get him safe. Get. Take him to a safe place.

[Ronnie Karam]

I wrote. I just saw this. I'm so excited. Send it over. My mom will die. Thanks so much, Ramon. I'm beside myself. I'm just writing about Rachel.

[Ben Mandelker]

Rachel's like, whoever we're impersonating. It's like, I wish. I wish you had been, like, just talking the revoice. Like, gee, did you think that I would just roll over because you have a canasta set? You know, for me, playing cards is more than just accepting a free canasta set. It' about looking at the cards, touching the cards, enjoying the cards, thinking, should I play the card? Should I not play the card? It's a lot more than that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hey, Ramon, I just saw your email about canasta. Thank you for attaching your picture. Love the cum goddess. You want to get canasty with me?

[Ben Mandelker]

How about let's talk about canasta more. Talk about come nasty.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hell yeah, Ram.

[Ben Mandelker]

That was, like, one of the, like, that was actually, like, a really mean thing to send over. And, like, do you think you're gonna, like, talk to, like, Bose about your canasta set? Because, like, I think you should.

[Ronnie Karam]

All right, so back to the show. Dorit and Rachel are walking along together, and Rachel's like, honestly, most of the bride over here was a thing because Sutton was, like, on fire. She was weird with me because she thinks you and I are so close. So we see everybody evidence of this three hours earlier in the van when Rachel is talking to Reed on the phone. And Sutton's like, well, you know, I think that dorit can be released of her separation anxiety for about 30 minutes. Okay. Maybe she can be without you for about 30 minutes of her life. Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. You know, Rachel does not respond well. Like, basically, like, Dorit is a little sort of like, kisses Rachel's ass, and Sutton is basically like, like, whatever, right? Like, like sun's basically mocking the fact that Rachel has, like, a kiss ass. And, like, Rachel's gonna take care of kiss asses. Like, she's gonna take care of her. Her people. Right? And so she's like, don't come for. To reach. Right? Because like, that's what it was. And I just think it's so fast. I find Rich, the way Rachel operates in this group to be fascinating because I. Excuse me. I've. I've really grown to enjoy Rachel on the show. I think she's. She's doing a really good job in like a very low key way. But she is a cool girl. And I'm not saying she's a mean girl, but she is a cool girl. And it's interesting how she gravitates towards other cool girls and creates separation from the non cool girls. And there's like one of Sutton's issues over the past several years is that she's always wanted to be in with the cool girls, but she never can quite get there. And there's just. She puts out an energy and obviously Rachel has picked up on it. Yet another person has picked up on it where Rachel's like, yeah, something's cool. She's not going to the Hamptons with me. And like now she's creating separation with Sutton now all of a sudden.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, you know, she's like, I shouldn't have to justify my relationship with you. I mean, this is another one. I was like, that wasn't really a big deal. I think it was like fucking Dorit, Jeez, calling you every two seconds. So Dorit's like, well, Sutton did the same thing last year. She was jealous that booze knife were becoming. And Rachel's like, well, I can't do like petty mean girl. That's what you're doing right now. Sutton made like one little comment. I mean, it's like so many little comments in this episode that are like, yeah, getting huge. But that's Beverly Hills, right? So Rachel's like, yeah, it was a thing. But like also the cult thing. Like, Sutton has a problem with you googling and digging up someone's past.

[Ben Mandelker]

But like, that's, that was Rachel's thing though. Wasn't Rachel earlier in the season? Like, like, like I don't like Google. I don't like look up people. Didn't she. Am I crazy? Didn't she say that earlier in the season to us? Like, right. Am I crazy? Am I crazy?

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't know. I don't remember.

[Ben Mandelker]

So I feel like around the cum gutter right now. I can't tell.

[Ronnie Karam]

So two and a half hours earlier in the van, Sutton's talking to Natalie and Rachel. And it doesn't seem like they're really listening to her as, you know, as Usual with Sutton. And Sutton's like, well, up this morning. Colin and I talked to Amanda and Dorit, and, you know, she was digging up this cult information, and we were like, aren't you bothered by this? Oh, Sutton, why are you. Why. Why are you doing this? None of this has anything to do with you, Sutton. Get alive.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, but, no, but, yes, but, like, I think Sun's just telling a story of, like, Amanda has to stop being so passive and wimpy and simpering and passive aggressive and just like. Like, if people. If, like, people upset you, stand up for yourself. Like, that's. That's what I think Sutton was trying to say here. But Rachel's takeaway was like, wow, Sutton doesn't like that you looked up on Amanda. And I'm like, I don't think that's what Sutton was really expressing in that moment. Right.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I think she was. She was like, oh, how can someone Google you? This is really bugging Sutton. But it wasn't even the Google. It's on her blog. Like, they weren't hiring. They didn't pay the $20. You know what I mean? For the cr. For the. The people that when you investigate and you're like, get me information. Like, if you pay us $20, whatever. It's not like they paid the $20. She went. She did a simple Google search. I don't think that's a big deal.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, either way. Either way, Dorit's Street's saying I wasn't digging up anything. And Rachel's like, I think Sutton thought it was low and using the cult as, like, a thing, as, like, a weapon. And I'm like, I. Again, I actually. I'm gonna defend Sutton on this a little bit. I do think that, like, I mean, sudden is, like. Does not like the Googling. She's. You see her say a little bit later. But I think the gist of what she was trying to say in the car in that moment was more like, she says, we talked to Amanda, and, like, gosh, aren't you upset that this happened? Like, because Sutton's whole thing for the past few episodes is, Amanda, grow a backbone. And if you don't like something, you've got to stand up for yourself because, right. We're trying to help you be part of this group. Group. But, like, Rachel's takeaway was like, wow. Like, Rachel made it sound like Sutton was primarily there to talk about, to read. And I just don't think that sudden

[Ronnie Karam]

was it because Sutton, Sutton, and Kyle even went to Amanda to be like fight Dorit. Why aren't you fighting Dorit? Like you should be fighting her. They did tell her. Mind your own business. So Sutton was telling them the story of how they were trying to do that, and it's like so obvious that they're just. Just trying to start a fight. They're trying to have Amanda confront Dorit. And Dorit's like, well, I thought I was friends with Sutton, so why is she now trying to make this girl fight with me? So I think.

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, they were. They are trying to do a proxy battle, but I think in that moment when Sutton was telling that story, I think Rachel took a smaller part of that story and turned it into something that was bigger than I think it really was when we. When we saw the clip.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, congratulations. You've reached the end of part one of a two part recap for part two. Go look for the recap that says part two. See you over there, suckers.

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