#3272 Ladies of London S4E04: Going Hard in the Paint

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Podcast Summary: Watch What Crappens Ep. #3272

Ladies of London S4E04: “Going Hard in the Paint”

Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Release Date: March 20, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this riotous and insightful episode, Ben and Ronnie dive into Ladies of London Season 4, Episode 4, dissecting the cast’s emotional turbulence, the tension between British and non-British openness, and the latest social activities of London’s poshest women. The episode revolves around how the women handle vulnerability, social boundaries, and the fallout of sharing personal trauma in a group—especially at a wine tasting that turns unexpectedly intense. Ben and Ronnie revel in the show’s drama while serving up biting wit, cultural observations, and signature Crappens mockery.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Brits vs. Non-Brits: Emotions on Display (03:30–04:30)

• Opening Montage: The episode opens with Mark Francis noting, “Americans tend to be very openly emotional. Can you tell the amount of disgust in my voice when I say that?” (03:31, Mark Francis quoted by Ben).
• British Emotional Reserve: Ben and Ronnie riff on the British tendency to stuff emotions down, contrasting it with American and Scandinavian directness.
  • Margot quips about how Brits suppress emotions: "It’s kind of the Brit’s armor, to just, like, stuff it all down forever." (04:06, Margot).
  • Kimmy dismisses emotional sharing: “I just can’t stand people so verbal about everything they feel.” (04:15, Kimmy).

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2. Lottie & Joshua: Traditionalism, Shopping, and Subtle Shading (05:00–07:55)

• The Push Present: Lottie wants a tennis bracelet as a "push present," prompting much commentary about their supposedly “traditional” relationship, which Ben calls “sugar coated in a very unconventional looking relationship.” (05:54).
• Processing Personal Trauma: Lottie describes opening up about her father’s cancer at the wine tasting. Joshua is awkward with emotion, staying dryly British.
• Onion Analogy: Ben delivers a hilarious riff on the futility of “peeling back the onion,” referencing Geena Davis’s movie Hero: “When you peel that onion, guess what you find in the middle? Nothing.” (08:18, Ben).

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3. The Wine Tasting Trauma-Fest: Vulnerability & Reality TV (12:00–16:35)

• Wine + Trauma: The wine-tasting event turned into a trauma parade: Missy opened about her brother’s murder, and other cast share deep sorrows. Kimmy resists and later mocks the sad vibes.
• Safe Space Debate: Ronnie and Ben take issue with the notion that reality TV is a “safe space.”
  • Ronnie: “She was never in a safe space. There’s nothing about any part of that scene...that said this is a safe space.” (16:00)
• Kimmy’s Antipathy: Kimmy, skeptical about emotional over-sharing, refers to sadness as an “onion”—better left unpeeled.

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4. Kimmy’s World: Taxidermy & Art Party Invites (20:00–22:32)

• Meet the Pet Ibis: Kimmy, ever the eccentric, shows off her taxidermied Egyptian ibis: “Don’t you hate those weak species? I can’t even live.”
• Morbid Humor: She claims the joy of dead pets: “You don’t have to clean up poo. They just sit and look at my things.” (20:43, Kimmy).

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5. Mark Francis & Emma: External Glamour, Suppressed Anxieties (23:00–27:20)

• Aesthetic Perfection: Mark’s home is a “rococo explosion,” which prompts Emma to quip about child-unfriendly decor: “Mark, I love how un-child-friendly your spaces are.” (23:13).
• Emma’s Health Scare: Emma candidly discusses a critical health scare. Mark, master of emotional repression, struggles to show feeling: “I’m on the verge of potentially thinking about crying, and I’m quite unpleasantly surprised by that.” (27:47, Mark as voiced by Ben).

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6. Missy vs. Kimmy: Trauma Sharing Turns Into a Showdown (28:38–38:15)

• Margot Instigates: Margot tells Missy about Kimmy’s dismissive comments on her brother’s death (“just drugs…let’s not make it into a sob story”), prompting a sense of betrayal.
• Ben questions the performative nature of trauma sharing:
  • “It’s kind of how reality TV is now, where you just have to bring up every trauma, and that’s the way that you get capital on these shows.” (32:32, Ben).
• Ronnie critiques forced vulnerability:
  • “You’re using it as a weapon at this point, and it’s gross... social capital before, and now you’re using it as a weapon.” (68:08).

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7. The Nude Painting Party: Comedy, Competitiveness, and Tension (40:07–55:55)

• Preparation: Kimmy arranges for a nude male model (“Dev”) at a group art party.
  • Kimmy jokes: “Drop the robe. Looking good. Wow. Well done, Dev.” (40:38, Kimmy).
• Mark Francis is scandalized by nudity, the “prudish gay” archetype: “I’m a great believer in less is more. As evidenced by my entire apartment.” (50:29, Mark as voiced by Ben).
• Competitive Sketching: The ladies’ artwork is surprisingly decent, except Kimmy’s, which is a comedic, monstrous take on Dev’s anatomy: “She just draws his dick…but it looks like Jabba the Hutt.” (53:19, Ronnie).
  • Martha is declared the winner with her artistic take.

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8. The Confrontation: “So What?” (55:56–67:23)

• Missy Confronts Kimmy:
  • Missy: “I spoke about my brother Yaz...that is a really sensitive subject for me.” (56:13)
  • Kimmy interrupts: “I’m not apathetic towards your situation...What I do have a problem with is this: very sad situations thrown on people that you don’t really know that well.” (56:43)
  • Kimmy, defiantly: “So what?” (60:47, Kimmy)
• No Apology: Kimmy stands her ground and refuses to apologize for her reaction—her bluntness both appalls and amuses the group.
• Margot calls Kimmy attention-seeking:
  • “You are the loudest little person I’ve ever met. You’re like a pint-sized Popeye for attention.” (61:45, Margot)
• Kimmy concludes: “You know what? You guys are total bitches, Malloy.” (64:42, Kimmy)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Ben (on safe spaces in reality TV): “She was never in a safe space...There’s nothing about any part of that scene while everyone’s getting drunk that said this is a safe space.” (16:00)
• Mark Francis (on American emotions): “Americans tend to be very openly emotional. Can you tell the amount of disgust in my voice when I say that?” (03:31)
• Kimmy (on vulnerability): “If you see an onion, leave it the fuck alone. And as an onion, let me tell you, don’t try to peel me. You’re going to walk away from here crying.” (07:55)
• Emma (on trauma sharing): “We just keep calm and carry on. Let’s go, like, yes. I don’t know for how long one can do that.” (27:04)
• Mark Francis (scandalized): “I’m a great believer in less is more. As evidenced by my entire apartment. Less nudity, more coverage!” (50:29)
• Kimmy (blunt at confrontation): “So what?” (60:47)
• Margot (to Kimmy): “You do everything for attention. You’re the loudest little person I’ve ever met. You’re like a pint-sized Popeye for attention.” (61:45)
• Ronnie (on trauma as reality TV currency): “If you’re on Top Chef and it’s nearing the finals, they’re not going to pick you if you’re just a happy person…You have to have some trauma.” (32:32)
• Kimmy (on emotional types): “People are either fountains or they’re drains. Emotions—most people are drains.” (49:12)

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Episode Timestamps: Important Segments

• 03:30–04:30 - Brits vs. non-Brits emotional expression
• 06:30–08:20 - Lottie opens up; "onion" life metaphor
• 12:00–16:35 - Wine tasting and trauma sharing
• 20:00–22:32 - Kimmy’s taxidermy, painting party prep
• 23:00–27:20 - Mark and Emma discuss health and emotional avoidance
• 28:38–38:15 - Missy learns of Kimmy’s comments; cultural/rh reality TV critique
• 40:07–55:55 - Nude art party, Mark’s prudery, painting competition
• 55:56–67:23 - Missy and Kimmy’s confrontation, “So what?”
• 68:08–70:08 - Ben/Ronnie analyze emotional strategy and group fallout

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Episode Tone & Takeaways

Ben and Ronnie’s signature blend of loving mockery, sharp cultural observation, and actual warmth for the cast shines through. They skewer how emotional vulnerability is wielded for screen-time and social capital on reality TV; yet, they find moments of genuine connection, especially in Mark and Emma’s private, stoic conversation. The central event—a painting party—serves as a microcosm for the group: competitive, performative, yet unexpectedly genuine and revealing.

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Final Thoughts

This episode is a masterclass in dissecting the new language of reality TV, where relatability and trauma operate as performance. With razor-sharp commentary, Ben and Ronnie cut through the layers—like that metaphorical onion—to reveal both the humor and the artifice of this glittery, guarded world.

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Transcript

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[B]

How are you? Well, hello Beni Tunes.

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We are here to talk ladies of London. Before we do that, please join us over on Patreon. We have ad free listening. We've got a weekly bonus episode. This one's all about south by Southwest and our adventures there. We've got a Discord community. We've got all the joy we Got all the love. We got video there. Crap is on demand. You can watch. Not just listen. Patreon.com Watch what crappens. And that's really the most. And there's a newsletter. Hello. The newsletter is for Patreon and non Patreon members. If you want to subscribe, it lives over there. So just go over there, hit subscribe. And that newsletter is just going to arrive in your in box. Okay? And this week we'll be talking about lots of stuff, including more south by Southwest stuff. So that's all the exciting stuff for on that front. Today we are back in the wondrous, wonderful show known as Ladies of London, Season 4, Episode 4, Naked Truths. And the episode opens up with Mark Francis getting out of a car and announcing. Americans tend to be very openly emotional. Can you tell the amount of disgust in my voice when I say that?

[B]

Emotional we see on the screen in pink text, emotions, Brits versus non Brits. And we cut to Micah like, oh, my God, I'm just so sad. I'm just so sad. Margot being like, oh, my God, I'm gonna cry. I'm gonna cry right now. And then we just cut to Emma who's like, keep calm and carry on is our motto.

[A]

Maybe we should talk about stuff more. I don't know. And then that's Martha saying that to Emma. And Emma's just like, oh, talk about stuff more disgusting. I don't know how awful to feel. Emotion never.

[B]

You know, it's. Oh. And then Margot's like, it's kind of the Brett's armor, though, to just like, stuff it all down forever and then just die. Yes. The Scandinavian culture is very honest, almost too honest. We go to Kimmy, she's like, I just can't stand people with verbal about everything they feel.

[A]

And we see a flashback of her back then be like, oh, my God, her brother died. Like, wow, wow. Why am I right? Blanc to blanc. So now we're back in the streets of London, and Lottie and her husband Joshua, they are dressed, the nines, as usual, in suits, like, matching suits that are like tailored within a centimeter of their bodies. I mean, the they. I mean, this guy has some true talent in terms of, like, fitting. They are always wearing suits that are like, perfect and latte. She's like, I would like a tennis bracelet as a push present. And she says, I feel like we're actually a bit more traditional than people would think we are. He's like, yes, I would say we have a very traditional feelings and values. Sugar coated In a very unconventional looking relationship.

[B]

He's got this way of talking about him. He's like. I would say we're very conventional, but also unconventional. Why do you look like you were drawn by Bob's Burgers? Why.

[A]

Why do you look like you're in a old commercial for Guinness? So they go to this jewelry store where there's, like, very homely lady with, like, a little headband on and stuff. It's like, hello, welcome back. Good to see you again. Welcome to Pembridge Poker Pukka Farms. It's like, had a very, like. It's like picadilly pic jewelers. And they are there to look at tennis bracelets and other baubles and jewels.

[B]

Yeah. And they're looking at, like £80,000 and all these crazy expensive things. And Josh was like, well, I do love this woman's watch, but I don't know, it's for women. Is this too untraditional in our traditional relationship? Do you remember that time I brought you flowers? Wasn't it traditional? Oh, traditionalism. It's our kink.

[A]

So you went to a wine tasting. Was it traditional wine? How was that? And she's like, oh, it was quite nice. They all opened up a lot. And I. So I do sort of felt. I sort of felt like I could open up about my dad's cancer land. Like, you know how you talk about what you've been through and stuff. He's like, oh, yes, he's been had a run. We're not talking about the cancer now, are we? We are still British. Right. We have to talk about things.

[B]

When we got together, like, that was sad because he's such a big part of our romance. God, I love daddy storylines and romance, you know, then you said that your dad, you were just, like, blown away. The opportunity that your dad might not walk you down the aisle. That was so, so sad. Yes. And it was really nice. And then Missy sort of opened up about her brother being murdered, and he

[A]

goes, oh, my God.

[B]

While you were having wine, while food was being served. How untraditional. Do I have a boner?

[A]

Yes. And the only person who didn't really say anything that deep was Kimmy. I mean, she can speak Haitian, but we all knew that. I'm like, kimmy went first pretty much. Right. I think she was the first one to go, like, you can't blame her. She didn't know that it was gonna go deeper than that.

[B]

She wasn't also not the only one, because it got to Margo and Margot's, like, I gave A hand job to a guy in a movie, and he came all over my hand. And I'm a. I'm famous now. Like, she's the same thing.

[A]

Yeah, get over it, Lottie. She's like. I mean, if we're talking about Kimmy, she's not British. But I do think in general, it's quite a British thing to not really share how we're feeling and just to sort of get on with things. And I think a lot of people in our group do have that side of them, like. So then why are you mad at Kimmy for it? She's just trying to fit in.

[B]

Yeah. She's like, well, I think we're going to have to peel back those layers a little bit more. Why? Listen to everybody who wants to peel the onion. Stop. Onions smell. They make you smell all day and they make you cry. If you see an onion, leave it the fuck alone. And as an onion, let me tell you, don't try to peel me. You're going to walk away from here crying. Stop with this. Try to peel the onion. Okay.

[A]

Also, I've got bad news for you. Something that I discovered watching the feature film Hero starring Geena Davis. When you peel that onion, guess what you find in the middle? Nothing. There's nothing in the middle of the onion. There's a scene in that movie early on where Geena Davis is, like, giving a speech and she. I saw this movie only once in eighth grade, and this has stayed with me. And Geena Davis brings out an onion during her speech, and she starts peeling it. She's like, sometimes in life you peel back the onion. And that's what we do as journalists. We peel and we peel and we peel. And she starts crying because of the onion. She's like, and guess what? In the end, there's nothing there. And I was like, wow, Gina Davis. I'm gonna remember that for the rest of my life. And I have, and I haven't ever mentioned that until right now in the podcast 30 years later. I'm like, guys, formative onion experience I had with Geena Davis. Yeah, that's true.

[B]

Onions give us so much. So she. She picks out a 30,000pound tennis bracelet. And he's like, oh, my God. She says, yes. But every time I look down, I'll say, my vagina did that. You said vagina in Pembley Pickleston. How unprovisional. And boner, boner, boner achieved.

[A]

Does it smell like chives in here? Onions, you know, so now we go to a Bentley And Micah is meeting up with Margot. And Micah, she. Micah see Micah during her class. Yeah.

[B]

This is the part where we see her doing her class. It's hilarious. She's, like, trying to give etiquette lessons to Muppets. She's like, this is how you hold a fork. And the map was like, oh, that's how we're doing. She's like, oh, my God, I can't even get through a scene. This is just too much.

[A]

Yeah. So she has a class. She's all dressed up for it. She's dressed very formally. And they arrive at a spa, and I'm like, this way. All British spas look like. They look like they're in an embassy. And so they're sitting there, like, in these, like, beautiful sofas in a lobby. And Margo's like, I really like Micah. She's not what I expected at all. She immediately gives me a feeling of warmth and being invited and safety. She's sort of like the hand job of friends, you know, just a great vibe. So Micah's like.

[B]

Micah's like being friends with a customer service representative. Like, that's pre recorded. You know, like when you call somebody and they're like, we're so glad that you're here. Please press 1 if you'd like this in English, or press 2 if you'd like this in Spanish. I mean, she's just. She's nice, but she's nice in that, like, hi, how are you? Kind of way. I just don't trust her. I mean, I feel like it's me moving to Mexico and, like, offering a tourist tortilla class, you know? Like, why are you doing that? This is not your place.

[A]

Yeah. So they're talking about husbands and. And Margo's husband is from Lebanon, and he's Lebanese Armenian. And we have a flashback of Margo talking to her. Her family. She's, like, trying to FaceTime with her family, and no one wants to look at her. And she's like, his dad wants. Does I want to say hi? And he's like, not right now. Which seems to be an ongoing theme on the show of the husband's not wanting to be seen on any FaceTimes. We just saw that with Micah last week, right? Where she's like, no.

[B]

Yeah. I think that's why she likes Micah, because both their husbands hate. Hate them, you know? And she's like, honey, you need to say hi to me. Please just say hi to me. Okay. He's like, I'm having coffee. Okay, well, hi. He's like, hi. Okay, hang up on your mother now. So back to present. She's like, he did not want to marry me because he had a really traumatic experience. And so I was like, we're having a baby. So, yeah, I made him go to a chapel in Vegas. Yep. I was like, you're marrying me. Isn't that romantic?

[A]

What could go wrong? What could go wrong? So she goes, my husband's an entrepreneur, and he's very successful. We met at a party, and I was, like, living in Los Angeles, and it was, like, six weeks before COVID happened, and I didn't expect to have any connections out of this party whatsoever. But then he just gave me a hug goodbye. And, like, I know this will sound really dramatic, but it felt like the whole universe passed right between us. I'm like, oh, yeah. The plan is like, get me away from this relationship. We are passing. We pass. We pass on this relationship.

[B]

He's a real hottie. I'm sure it had nothing to do with the fact that he's rich. This fucking guy. She's like, this guy hates her. She's like, oh, my God. I just knew right from the beginning when I heard how much money that was it. And so she's saying that her boys come in nine days, and he still had boys from his first marriage, so they just became a family very quickly. And Micah says, well, is the idea that everyone comes over here permanently? She's like, well, I just want to introduce them to the UK because, like, all my work has been here. I mean, I've not made one person come on film in America. You know, you just. You just follow the fountains is what I say.

[A]

There's just so much pressure because in my family. My family's against me spending time in the UK and just, like, really greatly reduces my ability to be here. I'm like, yeah, because they live in Los Angeles, and you came out here to do a reality show. And they're like, we don't want to leave la. So the masseuse comes by. Her name is Comfort, which of course, they enjoy. And Mark, now they're getting massages, and Margo's talking about foot fetishes. And she says it's like, foot fetish fetishes exist because the. The part of the brain that recognizes the foot is right beside the part of the brain that. That enjoys sexual activity. And sometimes their wires get across. I was like, I would like to see the documentation on that. But for some reason, that does not sound true.

[B]

Yeah, I've never heard that.

[A]

You're the. The foot part of the brain. This is not like two aisles of the library and someone put the book in the. In the wrong aisle. I don't know. That doesn't. And I'm just too lazy to look it up myself. And I also don't know if I care enough.

[B]

Yeah, I'm wondering if that's like, if some people. That's feet. And some people, it's like Snickers bars or something. So Micah's like, no way. No, it's true. And so they see feet and they're like, whoa, bummer time. You know what I mean? Okay, so listen, I feel like I barely saw you yesterday. Mostly because we were in the car. I was like, I know. You know, one part of that lunch I really appreciate, it was helpful, vulnerable. We got to be. It's just like slicing open our souls and letting them bleed all over each other. God, it felt good.

[A]

Yeah, the stuff with Missy, that was like a real life nightmare. And then we cut over to Missy's flat, and she facetimes her sister Valentina, and she's like, my sister's husband is a soccer player. He signed the contract in Dubai, so they moved out for that for two years. And my sister is like my best friend. She supports me, and she, like, always tells me straight. And she reminds me of who I am. She's amazing. Isn't that amazing, America? And then she starts talking about. She tells Valentina about the winery, and she says, how was the first time she'd opened up about their brother? And she got very choked up, but it was also very healing for her.

[B]

Yeah. And so she's talking about going to visit the grave, and the sister's like, yes. It's, you know, it affects everything. Our comfort zones, because we always have this fear in us, and we've been doing so good, and I'm so proud of you. And then back to Micah and Margot. Micah's like, yeah, And I think that was a big moment for her to open up like that. I mean, gosh, it's like she got up, she took that microphone, and she sang that number at karaoke, and it was just great. Margo's like, oh, yeah. But like, Kimmy, she hated that part. Like, when we were on the way home, she was like, flashback to the car. Well, I mean, some drug related thing. Like, let's not make it into some sob story. Am I right, Mar?

[A]

Like, it is a sob story, and she is right. So Micah's like, oh, that's tough. Mar goes, I know that's her coping mechanism, though, you know? But I do feel like Missy needs to know that. Because if Missy feels like she's in a safe space to share and she's not, she should know that. No, I'm sorry, Margot. This bitch just met this whole group of people and there's cameras in her face and she's on a re on reality tv. And if for one moment she thought she was in a, she knew. She always knew. She was never in a safe space. There's nothing about any part of that scene while everyone's getting drunk that said this is a safe space. She told the story. It's a very sad story, but she was trying to kind of have like a moment. I'm sure the producers also told her, by the way, when it comes to you, you have to tell the story. So, like, I'm sure that was part of it, but, like, not this, like, oh my God, we have to protect her. Because she didn't realize it wasn't a safe space. It was like, no shit, it wasn't a safe space. Why would you ever think, like, why would you, like, just like, blah. I'm just gonna announce it to a bunch of people I don't know, like, sorry, I'm not gonna co sign with Margot on this one.

[B]

Yeah, you're on tv. You're doing this in front of people on camera and even going like, good luck following that one up at the end when you told your story. So, yeah, people are gonna. Yeah, people are gonna have an opinion. And that's just how it is. And it's not your business. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a crappin's commercial. Did you know? Fast Growing Trees is America's largest and most trusted online nursery with thousands of trees and plants and over 2 million happy custom customers.

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So we go to Kimmy at her house and she calls Micah. And Micah's like, oh my God, what is that behind you? And she's like, oh, that's a set bird. That's an Egyptian sacred ibis from like 1840. Isn't it fabulously dead? Hey, give me a high five. It can't because it's dead. I killed it and stopped it.

[A]

She goes, she goes, yeah, they're extinct now, actually. God, don't you hate those weak species? I can't even live. Oh. I've been collecting taxidermy for 30 years. I've always been obsessed with odd things. You know, like an amazing piece of taxidermy is the way the animal is preserved and the way it's posed. It's beautiful. It's under the glass jars, painted. That's done. Taxidermy form, my favorite is to find something that doesn't. Doesn't even exist. Went extinct. I say, you're so stupid. I mean, like, I'm supposed to care about the fact that you don't live on this planet anymore. I mean, get over it, right?

[B]

I love all my pets to be dead. You know, you don't have to pick a poo. You don't have to fade them. They just sit there and they look at my thing.

[A]

Cut to Martha. Blood coming down her eyes from her. From her magpie. I love this. Kimmy just. She's like, well, look, I know I'm a little morbid, you know, but listen, I was just calling to. Calling everybody to see if you're free tomorrow to come to, like, a little art thing. I'm doing some painting and some drawing, you know, some real stupid stuff. We could talk about live things. We can finally have fun after that drag of a wine is. Am I right?

[B]

So we see her talking to everybody on the phone, asking everybody individually. Yeah, you know, we'll have a few drinks maybe and, I don't know, get a little naughty. Are you ready for it? I think that's a formidable idea. Well, also, I was gonna say, that last event we went to, it just got so sad. And everyone's telling some really sad sob stories. Let's just hope nobody's family members have been gunned down this time. It would really be nice to have some block to wonk while we paint some.

[A]

Everyone cried. The wine got them whining. Whoa, that's a good one. Why don't you laugh at that, Kimmy? I mean, thank God I got out of that. I have never heard of an occasion in which wine has made people miserable. What on earth went so fundamentally wrong?

[B]

So now we go to Kimmy talking to Martha, and Martha's like, are we going to have a naked model? Oh, it's a surprise. Martha just show up. All right. Well, I'm certainly not doing a still life.

[A]

Oh, well, me too. Unless it's a banana. Don't you like bananas?

[B]

Are we painting or are we drawing?

[A]

Well, we may do a combination. Depends on how drunk we get, right? We'll see what happens. I don't think it's gonna be anything too messy though, right?

[B]

Any excuse for nudity. So we go to a museum and it is Mark's house. I mean, this is the old queen dream. It's just antiques. Everything is gilded. In America, it would be a Trump property.

[A]

You know, it's a rococo explosion. Okay. Everything is like little gold twirlies and swirlies and leaves and details and gilded. It's just. It's. It's madness. And so Emma comes over. You know, Emma always walks. She's like a supermodel. And she just always sort of slinks in with it. Like, she always has like some it's like strappy, kind of like back exposed thing. She's effortly walks into this gilded madness and she's like, mark lives in this beautiful place that's so pristine. I mean, artistically. Oh, God, you're so divine and intelligently curated. Although feels weird that there's not a rhinoceros there. Anyway, Mark, I love how unchild friendly your spaces are. He goes, oof. What is a child?

[B]

I do try to curate my environment. I work in the art world. History, design, detail. So important to me. I work with Christie's, the auction house. You might have heard of it. Oh, God. I'm an aesthet. Is that what it's called? It's a full time aesthete. It's a full time job. And we see aesthete, a person who has a special appreciation of art and beauty. And he's on the phone looking through a book. He's like, could I please see the Sugarloaf emerald? Oh, how thrilling.

[A]

Sugarloaf emerald. It's like my home is a very honest reflection of my soul. Gilded. Now. Excuse me, I have some vase work to do. Could I see lot 49, please? May I see what vase is there? Is that the Sugarloaf emerald? No, that's disgusting. There. Thank you. I just wanted to call and let you know that Christy, you.

[B]

Well, everything here is just so delicate, Mark. Including us. Cheers. I think I do so much in life to avoid reality because I find reality quite scary.

[A]

Yes, of course it is. But I'm always endlessly grateful for life. And that's why I do too much. As. As one lady once said, I do too much because you do too little. I don't follow. Neither do I. I don't know how that got into my head, but everyone always says to me, why are you so active? You, Emma? Super active. Emma is what I'm known for. Look at me. Look at me being full of energy right now, Mark.

[B]

I can't stop, Emma, because I'll start thinking. And it. It all wraps back to that health scare I had. He's like, oh, God, we're talking about this. Well, when I was pregnant, that was really, really. It reared its head again. And he just raises his eyebrows, which is impressive because his face, when I tell you this man's face does not move, like, even an inch. So for him to raise his eyebrows, I was like, oh, my God. That is. That is emotion, right? Well done, Olivier. Olivier. Get him and Olivier.

[A]

So he. Emma tells us that when she was pregnant with her son that she basically got an MRI and they found, like, a brain bleed on her pituitary gland. And she basically gets scans every year to monitor it. They give her steroids, and it was like, a very scary thing. And so she says that she recently went in for a scan and they said it had jumped so much in size that it would now be in a category that. That's serious. And Mark is like, oh, my God. Do I have to access my emotions for this? Because I'm not sure I can do that. Let me just kiss you strangely on the cheek. Okay, I've kissed you on the cheek. We can finish this conversation now. Can we talk about vases and sugarloaf emeralds? Yeah.

[B]

And she talks about her full body MRI and finding cysts and stuff like that. And she's like. And that's why I take on more challenges. And it makes me sad, but nothing makes me feel better like cleaning up rhino shit. So thank God for that. And they talk about how coping is, you know, just working. And he's like, but you really do need to look after yourself, darling. She's like, well, we're not meditative. You and I were. We're just not patient people. He goes, if I stop and meditate, I start thinking about things that I want to buy. Harrods is my meditation. I'm sorry,

[A]

but, like, no, like, literally, it's silly. And I'm not even out really sad about it. That's like a really private inward thing, actually, because. Yes, but that's the thing. You and I are always privately concerned about things, but we never talk about anything with anyone. I know. We just keep calm and carry on. Let's go. Like, yes. I don't know for how long one can do that. They're like. They're like, yes. They're like.

[B]

They hold hands.

[A]

But we'll try. We'll sure as else rye squeeze each other's Hands.

[B]

And she's like, I only want to make sure that I'm strong and well enough because I am responsible for my children. He's like, oh, you're not just responsible for your children, by the way. You're responsible for your husband, and you are decidedly responsible for me.

[A]

Oh, yes, I know. I'm sorry. Okay, so you're not going anywhere. We've solved this. There's been too much emotion for me. I'm on the verge of potentially thinking about crying, and I'm quite unpleasantly surprised by that. So shall we wrap this up with a little another kiss on your cheek, please?

[B]

Just one more thing. You're not dying around. Around this group, because Kimmy will definitely stuff you and sit you right next to a bird for eternity.

[A]

So now we go to Missy's very sad apartment. It's just, like, all white and, like, has, like, three chairs lined up against the wall, all facing the same direction. And Margot comes over, and Ms. Is like, oh, look, welcome to my house. It's not done, but I think it's. It's well along the way. And you can tell Margo's like, can I just go to someone's normal apartment for once between this and Martha? Like, what are these places that you guys live in?

[B]

No kidding. This one was crazy. So Missy is like, oh, my God. Wait, who's she talking to? Margot. So Margot's like, oh, my God. The last thing I want to do is tell Missy that Kim did the thing that she was terrified of them doing. She just didn't want people to judge her brother.

[A]

So Missy is, like, sitting in, like, a stool in the corner, and she's like, well, I think the vineyard went well. And Marco's like, oh, if she finds out it happened and I didn't tell her, that's gonna be a very sticky place to be. I'm like, you would be fine. You had nothing to do with it. You were inserting yourself into this drama and trying to act like you're doing it to be a good friend, and you're just being messy. Margot. So Missy's like, well, I was happy that there was no one making fun of my brother. What? What? You're making face. You're making American face. I'm scared. Oh, what are you going to do now? Are you going to shoot me? American face.

[B]

Well, I've actually had a pit in my stomach all day. I'm literally so nervous. Okay, you know how we all shared something that was, like, personal to us? I talked about a guy coming all over Me on screen and you talked about a dead brother. Well, Kimmy was just like, oh, I really hated that that wasn't real. And then we get a flashback where Kimmy's like, oh, God, I know that story. And it was just like some drug related thing.

[A]

Well, what's.

[B]

That's what the press said. I mean, who knows what the real story was? Well, I'm just, just saying, let's not make it into some sob story.

[A]

Back to present what Marco's like, yeah. I was like, kimmy, that it's a real sob story that was in the press. And she was like, oh, come on. That just happens when. With drugs. Like, I don't think. Let me go back to Kimmy saying, you know, everybody sits there on whips. That makes it a big stank. But like, it's sad and it's horrible, but it is what it is.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, there's really no sticking up for Kimmy, what she actually said, because she did kind of say all this stuff she's not making. Because there was one point where she's like, oh, my God, everyone's crying. With drugs. It was just drugs. Yeah, but still. Well, I mean, come on. I mean, it happens. That's what happens with Tron.

[A]

So Missy is like, that. That's not cool. Well, I would be like, oh, well. So Missy says, like, yeah, well, he should have died, you know, because he knew whatever. Like, oh, please. I feel very hot from Kimmy. The why I don't talk about this is because I always expect someone to have something to say about it. So for her to be the one that goes and says that she's a woman, she's a mother, I'm like, I fully get that because there was scandal attached to this. And like, you know, everyone is saying, oh, it was a hit, there were drugs. And like, it's frustrating that, like, this tragedy happens. And you just want to be like, can we just like, honor that this person died? Instead of like, talking about the drugs and everything. But also, like, why did you. Like, this is. You just like, you, you brought it to a reality TV show and like, they're. It's just. They're gonna say like this, you know.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, and that is what the news story is. I don't know if you've looked it up, but it's dark. I mean, it is, it isn't just like some guy got shot and it's. It is like, you know, they were thinking it's like gang and, you know, drug and all the stuff. I Mean, he was shot 10 times. They came right up and shot him. I was. It's a horrible, horrible. I mean, still, though, whatever. It. You know, if. If you. If somebody. Someone was like, my. My family member is in the mob and he got shot inside, you'd be thinking, well, duh. But you don't say that. You know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And by the way, I think it is. I read, like, a little headline about it. I didn't read the whole thing, but it was Missy.

[A]

Was. Was Kimmy being callous? Yes, she was. To be fair, she wasn't being callous to Missy's face, but she was being callous. But also, you know, Missy doing this whole thing of like. But if I, like, Like, she's doing them a favor by telling the story, you know, and it's like, you know, I don't know, Like. Like, she. When she's like, I don't talk about this because people always have something to say about it. It's like, why did you bring it up here at this group then?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, this is not the way to do it.

[B]

And also, you know, I just. I find the whole thing fascinating just because it's kind of how reality. And I said this last week, you know, so I'm kind of repeating. But it's just how reality TV is now, where you just have to bring up every trauma, and that's the way that you get capital on these shows. It's like, it doesn't. I mean, if you're on Top Chef and it's nearing the finals, they are not going to pick you if you're like, I'm just a happy person who's well adjusted and has worked hard, and now I'm a good chef. You have to have some trauma. And it comes to the point where people are making it up. It's like, well, I had a red wagon, and my. My brother pushed me in it, and I went too fast, and I hit a stop sign, and now I can't think straight, so it's so hard for me to cook. And they're like, oh, my God. But you still did it all after that red wagon trauma. And then they'll give you the prize, but they're not going to give it. So I think they're all kind of trained to do this. And especially Missy is someone who's a real housewife and stuff. She's like, here I go. It's time to introduce ourselves. And this is my thing. I'm gonna get my trauma out, and it's gonna be Great. You know, and so she does her big number, and Kimmy is just that person like me in the audience who's so sick of this. I'm sick of it. And it's like, someone does that and then the response is like an audience response. It's like, oh, for sake, I'm foul. Fast forwarding through this, you know? Yeah, it's like, what do I have to listen to this? Can I just have some wine? Can I just watch Top Chef?

[A]

It's. And, like, quite frankly, I think one of the reasons why this show is being received so well. I mean, it's a great show, but also there's so much going on in the world. You know, like, you know, groceries are a million dollars. There's a war now, the economy, gas prices are up. There's just. There's just stuff ice, you know, is coming. Like, there's just.

[B]

Just.

[A]

There's just so many things that are terrible that are happening. And when we turn to these shows, we turn to reality tv. We want an escape, and we turn and we just, like, you're right. Reality TV sort of has become a thing of like, look what happened to me. Look what happened to me. And there was a time and a place where that was actually a weird balm to. To what was going on in our lives. But right now, I think we just want to say, shut the up. I'm not. Not trying to focus on the dark right now.

[B]

And it started in a good hour of peace. And that started like that. That whole trend started coming from a good place. It's like when the world got more sensitive and it was like, you know what? You can't say this. This is hurtful, and this hurts people's feelings. And like, let's put. Let's put, you know, non traditional people on TV who aren't just, like, beautiful washboard abs people. And like, let's put people on with real stories and, like, real pain. And so I think all of that comes from a good place. But reality, you know, reality start, like kind of the typical reality star person saw that and was like, oh, my God. Well, I'm. I'm doing it too. So. Right. You know, you've got this person, maybe they've got, like one leg and only made it to second grade because they had to work the rest of the. For the. To survive, make their family survive. Okay, well, I have a trauma, and guess what? My abs hurt. You know, Right. Like, becomes this thing where everybody's trying to outdo each other with the latest trend of, like, like vomiting their personal all over tv for social capital. And it got to the point where it's just gross. It's. It's just become gross now.

[A]

And the key thing that you just said is for social capital. Because I actually don't know if we, the audience are. We. I don't think we have a hard time with learning about people and their past and the tough things that they've gone through. We just had the scene with Emma and, and Mark and that was interesting and captivating to learn about her health struggles. It's like when you're at a wine taste, when you're. We're watching a group scene, a wine tasting, and someone basically says, oh, here's my tragedy. And now the entire show has to come to a halt. And it's kind of like, oh, I, I'm gonna just dump my trauma right here in this middle. In the middle of like a fun scene. And just so that way I kind of get some cred and like, look at me, look what I go through. And it just sort of, it's annoying. And that's where it's like, oh my God. We're just trying to enjoy a scene. Like if you have to, these, these individual scenes where we learn about people, it's fine. But it's all about the context. And I'm just like, I think we're all just over it. We just want to like have the fun scenes. And that's why it's like when Kimmy is sort of like unrelenting in her stance about this. It's like really refreshing.

[B]

It is. And you see the other cast members on this show have all done it in a less ham handed way. I mean, Kimmy herself did. She talked about her background and her, her growing. It was sad, the stuff she was saying. You have this one. The people that we're talking to. Wait, who are we? Oh, Martha. Martha's story is extremely sad and, and honest. Emma just told a very sad. And on. Even Mark, you know, was like, I don't have a relationship with my dad. You know, they've all told really deep things, but they're more believable because they're not being showy about. They're not doing a number about. And they're telling us they're not like making it a.

[A]

Like.

[B]

All right, guys, it's time for my story. Here it is, my bro. They're doing it in a very private, honest way. I mean, there's just a fine line in how this stuff comes off. And I think Missy doesn't seem like a bad person, and I don't want to, like, completely beat her over the head with it. It's just.

[A]

We don't want to discuss her tragedy.

[B]

Right. It's not even that. It's just how you handle it is very different. And I think how they handled it, how everyone else on the show has handled theirs, has been real, and it's felt. Felt real. Whereas felt. Performative. And it's.

[A]

Yes, performative. There's the word. And it's like, we want to go back to the onion. We want to peel the onion. We don't want to cut it in half and smother it all over our face. So anyway, the point is that Missy is upset, and she.

[B]

And honestly, she has a right to be because Kimmy is being an about. I mean, Kimmy was a total. I would never, like, even. Even this whole conversation we're having, I don't think I would ever be like that. I don't think where I'm just like, oh, God, shut up, drugstore. Of course it was drugs. You know, maybe to you in private, in a car, I would do that. But yeah, yeah.

[A]

But it's also like, what. What. What Missy's doing is not that different than what Amanda Francis did, you know, at that dinner to get out of a tough conversation. So it's like. And you're like, you. It's like, oh, you can't joke about it. You can't joke about it because these are serious things that happen in. But you. It does feel like. Oh, like. But it's also being used in a strategic way. So now we're at Emma's house, and Emma's getting ready, and Martha. Martha calls up. She goes, oh, are you ready for today? I think there's going to be some kind of beef. And Emma's like, what happened? It's like. So Margot went for a drink with Missy, and Kimmy has been a little bit flippant. Missy really is really, really, really upset. And I also gave her the keys to my house. I don't know what I was thinking. I just gave them to her. I felt so bad.

[B]

Then Missy calls Micah and catches her up on it. And Martha is saying, well, you know, Kimmy, she doesn't like talking about emotion, does she really? Very much so. And then he's like, well, we don't do it. English people just don't do that. We say less in those moments. Probably lovely. She's like, well, I know that she's not actually British, but, you know, Kimmy tell. Treats Emotions like a bridge. She drinks them.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

She doesn't feel them.

[A]

So Emma's like, yes, I think we are.

[B]

What I've always said. I love emotions. They are delicious. Breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

[A]

I think we have to let them deal with it. They better serve drinks at this thing. So we're at the event because Kimmy is.

[B]

Now you think they're not going to serve drinks?

[A]

They will. Kimmy's at the event. She's at the space where they're gonna be doing this painting, and Kimmy's getting a tour. And then Dev, the model, comes out, and he's, like, in a robe. She's like, okay, how about this? Why don't you remove your robe? I want to just get a preliminary view to make. See what we're working with here. And so he, like, drops his ropes. Okay, very nice. Turn around. Okay, very nice.

[B]

Very good.

[A]

Okay, spin around. Okay, now can you hold in your hand? Okay, now, there's someone named Margot coming. You've ever seen her movie? Do you think you'd be prepared for. Okay, great. You're doing great. Great job, dad.

[B]

This was so good. She's like, all right, drop the robe. Looking good. Wow. Well done, Dev.

[A]

Well saying, well done, well done.

[B]

So people start coming and drinking, and Micah's like, oh, gosh, Martha, I just wanted to reach out to you because Margo told me there was some crazy, scary things happening to you. And we just get a flashback to Margot being like, oh, God. Martha's like, oh, I hired this painter. And then he quit. And she texted the guy, did you drop the keys in the letterbox? And she never gets an answer. So now he knows where she lives. Oh, my God. I can't be friends with this stupid woman anymore. We come back and she goes, oh, you mean with the builder? Yeah. Yeah, that was. That was difficult.

[A]

Kimmy's like, oh, my God, you're gonna get raped or murdered. Listen, I know. Margot already told me that. Told me that's for. Let's see the flashback. Like, oh, my God, if I find your dead body, I'm never gonna be. I mean, I'm taking a step away from this relationship. Yeah, she really yelled at me last week when I was wearing a fez. So it was all good, but, like, are you okay?

[B]

She's. Oh, I'm okay, but I found it really scary at the time. She's like, well, maybe this was a good warning, and maybe it's what you needed to just be careful more next time. She's like, oh, I've Got to stop giving men chances. You know, Margot's approach has made me pay attention. Attention. But I prefer Micah's for sure.

[A]

So what happened? What happened? Did she get the keys back? I guess she did. So Lottie arrives and she's like, well, everyone, in case you didn't know, I'm pregnant. And the baby was upside down. Legs now giving a thumbs up. And Martha goes, oh, it's like, Kimmy, you're having a little gimme. Is it drunk? Is it. Is it overspeaking? Trio commercials. Here comes one right now.

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So we go to the car with Mark. He's picking up Emma and he's wearing jeans. And he sees her and he's like, oh my God, you're such a slag. I can hardly bring myself to come to terms with the extent of your sluggishness. What are you showing me? And she's like, hello, slag. By the way, what are these exactly that you're wearing? He's like, we're painting. What are you talking about? She's like, I did not even know that Mark owned a pair of jeans. I'm quite shocked. I thought he was going to see Cowboy Carter, but he doesn't know what that is either. Bad reference.

[A]

I know. I'm surprised he wasn't like, you mean Cowboy Cartier? Oh, this is the one instance in which I can wear jeans and feel like they're in some way present appropriate to the activity I'm about to perform. Shut up. I'm hanging out with Americans. What else am I supposed to wear? So now Kimmy is telling Lottie to go eat. She's like, go eat. You're. You're skinny and pregnant. Just stay away from the blonde. Blonde. Every time I eat a banana, I get a new boyfriend. There's no elegant way to eat a banana though, is there? And there's actually. Micah has actually made a video where she puts the banana on a plate and she cuts around the edge of the banana, unpeels it and cuts little slices. I was like, that's not etiquette.

[B]

That's ridiculous.

[A]

Extra.

[B]

That is just. That's just. How does this woman have a business? I would unsubscribe immediately if someone was like, how to properly eat a banana with a knife and fork off. So then back to the party. Emma and Mark arrive, and he's like, oh, hello. We've come to disgrace you with our presence.

[A]

Them. Oh, God, Kimmy, you're matching the drink. She. Well, that's the kind of slot that I am. You want a banana?

[B]

So they. Emma tells Kimmy that she had her injection for Nairobi and she had to get all these because she's going there for the 10k. So she had to get, like, you know, all these disease, you know, whatever. The vaccines. Thank you. Yeah, I can remember the word. So Kimmy's like, well, what did you have? Yellow fever, Hepatitis A? And she tells us about the charity and how she's been an ambassador for Tusk for many years, and Longleat has supported them for many years. And Kimmy's like, oh, God. See, when you're from Haiti, you don't have to do anything. I've had cholera, I've had malaria out.

[A]

Emma goes, if they bite you, they'll die first. Yes, that's what I always say. Every time I have a banana mosquito

[B]

that got me became an alcoholic.

[A]

Margot and Missy are arriving. They're in their car, and Marco's like, how are you feeling about going in right now? Did I make you mad enough? And she's like, I feel fine. Like, I feel like we should go and have a few drinks, say hi to everyone, and then, you know, I'll just take her asides at some point. Yeah, maybe before she's had a drink, though, because, you know, she's an alcoholic. Let's put that out there. Okay?

[B]

But she drinks so fast. How am I supposed to do it? Before we have a drink, I need to say something to Kimmy, but I can't keep this feeling in me. I want her to know it's not okay to be so cruel. I need to get it out of my system. I hope she apologize.

[A]

I'm an honest Scandinavian. That's how we are. We're all honest. I have to let it out.

[B]

And so back at the party, Lottie's asking Kimmy how she is, and she's like, well, I haven't seen anyone has spoken since the winery. And she goes, really? Oh, God. I mean, that was just such a traumatic experience. I just. I had to recover for three days.

[A]

So Missy and Margot arrive. But, like, Kimmy and Lottie are still talking. She goes, I mean, people are either two things. There are fountains or they're drains. Emotions. Most people are drains.

[B]

I loved that. I've never heard that before. Their fountains are their drains, and most people are drains. Well said.

[A]

I know. I made sure. I rewounded to make sure Dom heard that. I was like, tom, did you hear that? That was good. It was from Texas.

[B]

We have. We have tons of sayings written on dish towels, and I've never seen that one.

[A]

That's a good. That was. It was a brilliant. Fountains or drains? I was like, it's just so perfect.

[B]

So, Marco, speaking of fountains, here's Margo. So they come in, and Kimmy sees them together, and Missy tries to be kind of bitchy. She's like, hello. And Kimmy's like, oh, gosh. Well, I heard from a little birdie that maybe a. Maybe a magpie. But Missy's upset, and I just don't

[A]

know why I am pissed at her when I just haven't the time for life is too short. So I'm just gonna try to have a good time. So they head upstairs for the artistic experience, and Dev comes out in his robe, and he, like, drops it, and they all start to paint, but Mark is, like, clutching his pearls. He's like, you wouldn't think so, but I'm a great believer. And less is more. As evidenced by the. My entire apartment, right? Less nudity, more coverage.

[B]

The first prudish gay we've ever had on Bravo, ever.

[A]

He does.

[B]

This is the first not. This is the first gay that's like, oh, yes, come here.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

You know, this is the first one. He's like, oh, my God, Nudity. I can't. I would never. So Emma. Emma's like, I'm having a panic attack. And she just keeps saying, keep calm, Carry on.

[A]

Let's go.

[B]

Keep calm. Carry on. Let's go.

[A]

Look at me. Entirely out of sorts. I apologize, everyone, for being so loud and. And crazy. Oh, goodness. I can't. It must be all over my face. I'm just ravaged with emotion right now. I apologize. Sorry, everyone.

[B]

Micah's like, a spammer, keeps calling me. So I'm just picking up the phone and dialing numbers into their face.

[A]

You should be like, hey, spammer people are either fountains or drains. What?

[B]

Are you over it? It's, like, over. They keep calling me, and then I say hello, and they just hang up. So now I'm just gonna.

[A]

I hate that when they. Why are you even spamming. So Micah goes. Micah's like, I'm not approved. I'm definitely not approved. Florida. Micah is delighted. This is on the bucket list. Hold on. Over and out. This is Micah calling. Dara. Dara, there's a naked man here. Hello, Dara, are you there? Do you remember me? It's Florida. Micah, anyone?

[B]

Dara?

[A]

Dara?

[B]

So they're all talking about what it's like to see a wiener. Like, oh, my gosh. And Margo's like, oh, here in London, they call it a willy. They're very demure. Well, I'll say it. It's a.

[A]

And Missy's like, Coco Rico and Marcus. I believe it's commonly referred to as an appendage. So then he, like, grabs some flowers and puts some flowers, like, on his easel, and he's like, look, I'm gonna paint the flowers. They're in the view. I don't have to look at the willy. I'm not getting aroused. Please, everyone, don't look at me. Me. I'm not getting flushed. Ha. Keep the emotions in. Emotions in.

[B]

Have you not seen a penis before, darling? Well, I don't believe I have been acquainted with. Oh, you can always close your eyes then. All right, then. Just close your eyes. Mark, are you still talking? Do give up, dear. Of course I'm uncomfortable. I think the whole thing is absolutely hideous and entirely unnecessary.

[A]

Mark. Mark was so massively attracted to Dev. That's what was happening here. And he was like, I can't possibly be attracted to this man. This. This poor man. Literally. Poor man is in a lower class. I cannot. He was clearly into Dev, which is why he was so, like, I can't look. I mustn't look at Dev. But, you know, how can I be

[B]

expected to paint someone when I don't even know their lineage?

[A]

Yeah, that's exactly what he was thinking. But, wow, he was.

[B]

Was.

[A]

He was hot for Dev.

[B]

Yeah. Kimmy goes around paintings, and they're actually all fairly decent. I'm surprised. Like, they all do them really differently. Lottie keeps telling us she's, like, an actual artist because she went to art school. Okay. So hers is pretty good, but everyone else is doing kind of impressionist type things, but they're all actually good, which is weird. You never see that on these shows, except for Kimmies. Kimmy does, probably the most offensive one. She just draws his dick, but she does it with, like, greenish brown paint, and then she does it in these kind of swirls, and it looks like Jabba the Hut. It Looks like Jabba the Hutt. And he looks at it and did not look happy. She shows Dev, and Dev's like, this. Looks down at his dick like, really? He didn't like it.

[A]

Martha goes, kimmy, I must say, you have made him look like he's a good course of penicillin. It's oozy and it's green. Missy goes, I hate her, but she is funny. So Kimmy's like, well, they're all exceptional, but I have to say, the most great of the bunch is Martha's. Martha's. No, really, mine. Kimmy's like, yes. I love how she put him standing towards the side. And Marcus. But that's just where she was standing. He's like, mad. He didn't win with his flowers.

[B]

Martha is the winner. Martha, there you go. She's like, oh, I finally won. So something. Yeah, take my ID, Dev. Take it. Just take it.

[A]

Ls mad. Lot is like, it would be too obvious to choose mine, cuz, you know, oh, choose the one that's been drawn by the girl who went to art school and, by the way, is pregnant. You know, the others can have a go. Fine. Lottie was mad. Lottie was like, I didn't pay £400,000 just to go to art school and not be complimented at a cheap nude painting session. Oh.

[B]

Oh, good. So this is officially over now we can retire. So they go downstairs to have some food and drinks and stuff. And Emma's like, oh, there's so many bowls on the table. There's a little fried bowl of something everywhere we turn.

[A]

Well, I love bowls.

[B]

After we had the Debbie Downer party, I. I just wanted to laugh a little and drink a little and, I don't know, draw penis. And that's exactly how it's darling.

[A]

Well, ladies, I hope everyone's having a nice time. And it's such a good. It's good thing the sun is out today. Makes those bananas taste better on my ride.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

So Missy gets up and she's just like, I'm gonna. She basically is like, can we go have a talk? So they put. They. They go off to the side and everyone's watching and Martha's thinking. I'm thinking, oh, I don't want them. I don't want to be here. I hate conflict. I'm playing just to get really drunk and keep my head down.

[B]

All right, Missy, I. I've heard through the grapevine that you're a little bit upset. Quite. I'm quite, quite upset. Yes.

[A]

Yes, I'm quite Upset. I'm quite upset. She's like, but why? Really? I don't understand why? Are you joking? Why?

[B]

No. So just tell me what you're gonna say, because I am a little shocked. Well, okay. You know, I spoke about my brother Yaz, and that is really sensitive subject from. Well, okay, but wait a minute. Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Let me stop you there. I'm not apathetic towards your situation. I've had horrible situations happen in my life. But what I do have a problem with is this very sad situations thrown on people that you don't really know that well.

[A]

She goes, exactly. You mean exactly. You start. You said it. Because it is a big topic in my life that I apparently never talk about to anyone except for right now, for the first time at the wine tasting.

[B]

She goes, all right, but do you think that's appropriate at a wine tasting where we're being served block the blanc?

[A]

Yes. It is not wrong. She goes, but it's not an AA meeting. Oh, that's great. So Margot's like, oh, oh, look at them over there. She's doing a lot of you said. And I never. The hands are moving. Oh. Oh. This is not an apology. Martha goes, it's Kimmy. It's not going to be an apology.

[B]

So we go back and Mrs. Like, this is me. A way of getting to know people. No, that's not a way of getting to know people. It's not.

[A]

Of course it is.

[B]

No, that's not. Suck people's energy is what it is. And I got triggered because what you started was. Started a whole slew of stories. And everybody's got a shot, brother. Everybody's bleeding out of their eyes by the end of that thing. And you started.

[A]

It's like, no, it. It didn't start. A whole bunch of sad stories is cut. Flashback. L being like, my dad has cancer. Martha, My sister died by suicide. The waiter being like, my car got a flat tire. They're like, oh, God.

[B]

It's. It's not wrong to be in touch with your emotions. But why would you use something someone says to be like, oh, she's. Now, now, now, now, don't start that. You say it's a sob story. He's a drug dealer. Whatever you said. No, no, no, no. Well, Margo was there. She knows. Margo. That's what I say is Margo.

[A]

Margo's like, I just don't like they're watching still. Margo's like, I just don't like her tone. Why is she Yelling at Missy. Well, look at how hard Missy will fight to not address her issues. Right? She's like, yeah, but Salati's like, but she's being rude, Martha. So Martha goes, kimmy's had a very tough life. She's triggered when someone else talks about it because Kim is not going to do the therapy. That's not Kimmy. Kimmy's gonna party away through life.

[B]

Yeah, but then that means we all have to do whatever Kimmy wants. No, it doesn't. By you. By you insisting on telling dramatic stories the whole time, you're trying to force everybody, it's like, to do what you have the emotions that you wanted. So you want her to have those emotions, or you're going to make sure that somebody confronts her about it. And now you're going to go over there and confront her about it because she didn't react the way that you wanted. You're the one trying to force. It's not her. Kimmy never said anything about it to you. She never said, don't bring this up. You guys are the ones making this a big deal.

[A]

Yeah. So Martha's like, yeah, she was insensitive, but Kim's not going to back down when confronted. It's like getting cross with a dog for. On a sidewalk. That's what they do, you know, they just. On a sidewalk. Or if you have them in your house, they on the. In your house. Or if you have a magpie, they on the dog would then sh. On your house. A lot of shitting happens in my house is what I'm trying to say. Yeah.

[B]

So Margo's like, oh, my God, should I step in? And Lottie goes, oh, no. To them. No, don't go over there. Yeah, don't do it. She goes, okay. Then you go. Then I'm just kidding. I'll go. I mean, obviously, I'm just going to try and diffuse it. So she goes, I can do this. And she says, kimmy's chosen friends that won't call her on her. And so when she's around people who call her out, she can't cope with it at all. Oh, she can cope with you just fine, lady. Have fun.

[A]

Well, what are we going to do? We're just going to sit and drink and just, like, never talk about topics, you know? Kimmy's like, well, it sounds like a great idea. So I'm glad we're finally on the same page.

[B]

So wait a minute. You're asking me to sit with a group of girls and wine tasting and share no, this is not nor. This is normal. It's not normal how people can make fun of that shit. Just, oh, wow, wow, wow. Rewind. There was no making fun. I would. There was no making fun. And then we got to the car and she says, oh, God, people opening up too much.

[A]

But you did make fun of it bit. No, I didn't. I just did a fake snore, which I think we all laughed at. You know, it's just like, funny. And Missy's like, y. She goes, oh, God, Kim. Margo. Is that what you said? You said that I made fun? Marco goes, you said it's just what happens when you're involved in drugs and you should get over it.

[B]

So what?

[A]

She so what?

[B]

So what?

[A]

So what? That I said that.

[B]

Okay, that's not mockery when I tell you I was not laughing. I was cheering in my house because. Because listen, if I said something nasty and I was confronted, I'd be like, listen, I'm so sorry. I never should have said that and just been done with it. But for her to actually stick up for herself and be like, no, you bring this depressing shit to a wine tasting and ruin it. And I'm not going to apologize for it. It's bullshit for you to bring it up and that. She just keeps going and she just keeps going so hard for it. I was like, at the very least, you've got to applaud the confidence in this person because this is. This is crazy.

[A]

Yeah. So she goes, so what?

[B]

I said, so what she does is. Takes what Margot does, and she takes something, she manipulates it, and she stirs it around in her little cauldron and it makes it into something that gives us some attention.

[A]

I don't need to get attention. And Margo's like, Kimmy Murdoch, you do everything for attention. You are the loudest little person I've ever met. You're like a pint sized Popeye for attention in

[B]

up. Margo, you're a. Is what you are. And by the way, just get your finger out of my face. She goes, oh, yeah, bring it on. Bring it on, Margo.

[A]

So Martha's like, well, I. I kind of feel like we should be wearing a bulletproof vest right now. But I also feel like, was that. Should I not made that analogy in the presence of Missy? But I also feel like a really inappropriate thing to say saying this in the situation. Oh, I guess she really does say that. Yeah.

[B]

Margot's like, well, Missy doesn't want to have a drink on her. Missy doesn't want to have to drink her way through her feelings. Oh, well, great. Oh, so I'm glad that I'm sitting with a bunch of people that are so in tune with their feelings. Oh, God, don't look at her, Missy. Look at me. Look at me. And Marco's like, wait, what am I looking at exactly? I'm looking at a heartless, mean, cold, bitter woman. She goes, huh? Well, Margo, tell me exactly what I said then. Tell me.

[A]

She's like, do you not remember? No, I'm asking you. It's like, well, why don't you have another drink and I'll tell you ten more times. Well, I would love some blanc to blanc, please. And she goes, well, why don't you have another drink?

[B]

Well, she goes, I don't drink. Oh, yeah, that. Which is why you get to be so, so, so self righteous now you can't win your argument. So you're gonna call somebody a drunk because you're that weak. I hate when people do that, that like, oh, really? Why don't you have another drink? Oh, get out of here. I'm not the one who couldn't handle it.

[A]

Margo's like, yeah. Margo's like, you know, when you're clear eyed and sober and American, some people look different and some people look the same. And I've only seen one side of Kimmy. Straight vodka with no ice. I'm like, I. I don't see the problem here so far.

[B]

Well, amen. 90% of us would order that over the glass of, you know, off brand Perrier. You're out.

[A]

Ass is. I know. Missy's like, the subject is very close to my heart. And if that was too dark for you and. And attention seeking. And she goes, well, it was dark. It was dark. I love that. Gimmy is like, yes, it was. You're correct. Thank you for acknowledging my feelings on this.

[B]

It really upset me. Well, it upset me too. Oh, it upset you.

[A]

Just.

[B]

Yeah, dead.

[A]

I wasn't trying to belittle anything about the death of her brother. I thought it was inappropriate at a wine tasting, discussed such deep, dark sea issues. There's a place for that. But that wasn't the place for it. So Micah's watching and she's like, I don't think the Kimmy said it to hurt her. I really don't. I know. There's, of course, no malice in it. And Lottie goes. And not everyone's the same. You know, some people might want to share things and some people might not want to. For instance, something I'd like to share. Said I'm pregnant.

[B]

Well, you know what? I think you're jealous because I'm speaking about my stuff. She was. Oh, yeah. I'm so jealous. Yeah. And because you don't want to share anything about your side, she goes, okay, you know what? This is not going anywhere. Let's just go. And Kimmy goes, you guys are total bitches, Malloy.

[A]

So they all get up, and Missy's like, I liked Kimmy. I thought we could actually be friends. She's not trying to hold accountability for what she said, though. She's trying to put it on Margot. And I just think I really do deserve an apology. So they all get together in the. At the table again. And Kimmy's like, well, Mark, I'm an alcoholic, apparently, and I'd like to raise a glass of champagne, please.

[B]

They called me an alcoholic. Can I please get another drink?

[A]

So there. Well, there we are, darling. At your service.

[B]

So outside, Lottie are talking, and Lottie's checking on her, and Missy's like, oh, my God. She's gonna. So in her ways. I'm like, you know what? You're not even worth it. You're not worth it. Well, you want to talk about deep things, darling, you can call me.

[A]

And she's like, exactly. So Martha's like, oh, Kimmy. She's upset. Look, she's so upset. Well, I am not apathetic to what happened to her. You know, like, if she wants a banana, I'll give her a banana. But, like, man, what else do you want me to do?

[B]

Yeah, but what you said was apathetic. Well, Margot, that's your interpretation of it, all right?

[A]

I think Missy's a pawn in a much bigger chess game, and Margot medical into. Made it into something. Now that makes me look like a bald person. Butch is a really bad Charles movie on my. On her part. Really? Ball. Charles.

[B]

Ball.

[A]

Margo.

[B]

Well, I guess I should say something to Missy, so. You know what? I'm gonna say something. So she goes outside to where Missy is, and she's like, missy, let me just say something to you. I would never intentionally hurt you from something that happened to your brother. I'm. I'm the most sensitive person about these things. Ask the extinct bird that sits behind me. Listen, I apologize if you felt I was being insensitive, because you can say what you want, but I think when you say certain things, just. Yeah, but you know what? It is who I am, and it's not certain things about people, okay? It's just Who I am.

[A]

I'm really sensitive. I'm one of the most sensitive people you've ever met. So, you know, like, when you're going, wow, brother, dar, bro, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and boring us all to tears, just remember I'm being quite sensitive about it.

[B]

Well, then that's who you are, and that's how I am. And she goes, okay, then we just have to disagree to agree to disagree. And she goes, well, I don't think it's cool. She goes, well, listen, I'm not gonna say. Well, look, I don't like to think it's cool either to, like, tell me that. I can't say that. I don't want to sit at a lunch party. That's very dark, and I apologize if that hurts your feelings. That's who I am. I'm so glad she's sticking to her guns. Missy. She is giving. She's saying she is sorry for your brother, but she doesn't like that you brought up a huge. Made a huge lunch of dark thing. You guys sat in a car for three hours to get this lunch, and then you made it a big sob fest.

[A]

You don't. That's right.

[B]

The whole world.

[A]

Three hours. That's a good point. Three hours to make a sob fest

[B]

required to rally around and sob when you tell them to. I'm not your dancing monkey, babe. Sorry, I don't know you.

[A]

You also, like, waited until the. Like, they had. That's such a good point. I feel like we never really talked about how the three hour. Like when you sit three hours in traffic and you just want some wine afterwards, and then this person comes in and just like, I'm going to turn this into a sad sob story where we're all going to sit around and cry. It's like, no, I want to have wine and get drunk. We're here to party, party, party. So Missy's like, it has such a tragedy in my life. Don't you have feelings towards another person and their grief? Because you're asking. You're basically saying, you have to stop having fun and give me your feelings right now.

[B]

You're using it as a weapon at this point, and it's gross. You know, you used it as social capital before, and now you're using it as a weapon. Stop. Just stop. So Kimmy is just like, whatever. She just waves. She's like. Waves her off and goes back to the table. And so Martha's like, are you okay, Missy? And she's like, I'm fine. I just want to go home. So Kimmy tells Mark. She's like, oh, God, I made. I'm being made out to be the villain over there. Great. Good for me.

[A]

Are you okay, though, Kimmy? She's like, oh, well, Dom. It's like, no, Kimmy, no. She's like, well, I was not trying to be mean. Lottie goes, but you have upset her, though, and perhaps even the baby that I have because I'm pregnant.

[B]

And she's like, well, I don't dislike her. I just found it heavy, that's all. Yes, but now she feels like you've had a go at her for sharing something when she was vulnerable. You know how she started getting in my face, you know, so whatever. So then Mark goes to Missy, and he's like, all sensitive. He's kneeling by her car, and he's holding her hand, and he's like, you know what? The only thing I would say for her is, it's not making fun. It's making light of something that I think is very close to her home. And this is something else, you know? And they're mentioned. He's. They're kind of mentioning it, except nobody's listening. You know, all the people who know Kimmy are basically saying, listen in. Kimmy grew up in Haiti. Like, she's got some stories like her dad was involved in God knows what. She's got a lot of stories. Lord only knows we can guess what they would be about. And she's got a lot of trauma and pain that we know about. And when she blows things off, it's because she doesn't want to be dragged into a place where she's sitting there sobbing, talking about her own traumas. She just. Some people like to just move on with their lives and not wallow in the drama. And some people don't, you know, so he's like, it's not being her. It's not her being insensitive. It's almost. This is her being overly sensitive in a way, you know?

[A]

So Lottie is like, telling Kimmy inside, like, but couldn't you have just said, I didn't mean it that way. I'm sorry. She goes, but I did. I did say that. I mean, I sad it. Lonnie's like, but she said, you didn't even say sorry. Well, I did. I did. In the end. I was trying to be nice. Nice. And I realized, like, you know, whatever. Like. But, like, I'm just, like, saying that, like, some people are different. And so Mark is still talking to Missy, and he's like, well, maybe you'll never see eye to eyes. Exactly. It doesn't really matter. Okay. It's like, thank you, my love. Please take your emotions and go somewhere else. We're going to go. We're gonna go back to drinking and laughing.

[B]

He is good, though. What's interesting about Mark is he tries to do this whole, like, I have no feelings whatsoever. But then he's actually super sensitive to everybody, which is weird. Like, he never once really agreed with Kimmy. Was like, oh, I know. Isn't it awful? People sharing? Like, he didn't really go in with her. He just listened to her and laughed. But then he can still be sensitive to the other people. That's pretty impressive.

[A]

I'm.

[B]

I'm liking Mark.

[A]

Yeah, I like him. And then Martha, meanwhile, they're still talking about how everything went left. And Martha goes, yes. Well, then South Carolina got involved. Time was like, whoa. I was like, so. I love that. Like, that not so subtle snobbery about Americans. And she was like, well, I was like. I was like, what are you doing here? Like, don't come on my throat.

[B]

Well, you know, she is a punk, but she's a legendary punk. And they just laugh.

[A]

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