#3273 Married To Medicine S12E15: A Friendship on Life Support

Summary

Podcast Summary: Watch What Crappens #3273 – Married To Medicine S12E15: A Friendship on Life Support

Date: March 23, 2026
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Episode: #3273
Main Bravo Content: Married to Medicine S12E15 Reunion Part 1

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Overview

This episode of Watch What Crappens sees Ben and Ronnie deliver their signature blend of Bravo-recap hilarity, as they eviscerate, celebrate, and analyze the first part of the Married to Medicine Season 12 Reunion. They dissect fractured friendships, med gala hijinks, relationship accusations, heavenly campaign trails, and the reunion set’s questionable staircase aesthetic. With plenty of memorable impressions, petty snark, and sharp observations, this episode is an essential listen (or read!) for any Bravo fan who craves the blend of tea, comedic analysis, and deep relationship drama.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Reunion Season Recap & Set Up

• The hosts rejoice at finally reaching the reunion after slogging through the “deadly couple’s trip” episodes.

• Insight: Both agree the season would benefit from trimming filler episodes, lauding the cast as reality show “pros" (04:06).

  “This show… the core cast on this show is just magic. And every time we have a reunion, you are reminded that these are pros here.” – Ronnie (03:23)

• The reunion set, inspired by the Met Gala staircase, is panned for its awkward, “transition” vibe (13:05), and Ben likens it to “Disney-fied” Salt Lake City reunions (13:35).

2. Fractured Friendships: Simone & Jackie / Simone & Heavenly

• The Simone-Jackie rift is front and center: Simone's anger stems from Jackie refusing to take her side over whether Simone physically threatened Heavenly.

  “It's just too much to do that... she gets upset, and that's it. She's like a cut him off, cut him off kind of a girl.” – Ronnie (11:21)

• The debate spins around Andy Cohen’s Watch What Happens Live questioning, with Jackie failing to defend Simone decisively (08:01).

• Andy is called out for stirring the drama with his direct questions (10:14).

• Insight: Ben and Ronnie both agree Jackie was “weak” and should have supported Simone unequivocally.

  “I can understand Simone being pissed off at Jackie. That's some bullshit because she did not get physical.” – Ronnie (08:11)

3. Arrival Banter and Roasts

• The hosts do impressions and laugh about Heavenly’s “horse voice from campaigning,” Toya’s “your mama” retorts, and playful Met Gala set jokes (06:31–14:19).
• Crosses and medical motifs on the set prompt more visual comparisons and gentle mockery.

4. Toya & Eugene’s Home Life and Marriage Scrutiny

• Feuding erupts between Toya and Heavenly about Toya’s real estate history and rumors about Eugene’s employment status (20:42–24:49).

• Toya is teased for projecting a perfect marriage while fighting publicly with Eugene, a point the hosts reinforce:

  “For you to come on and lecture anybody about their husband or their marriage is crazy, Toya.” – Ronnie (29:24)

• The “pressure wash your house” Mariah flashback delights (22:41).

5. Group Chat Drama & The Great Penis Debate

• The recurring group chat/purse/penis size feud between Toya and Heavenly leads to hilarious text reading and accusations of “fake purses.”

  “My man loves me too, but his dick big. So you’re loving on some little shit.” – Heavenly texts, read by Ronnie (32:45)

• Andy tries to pivot away from penis talk (33:36), as the hosts joke about what Bravo will and won’t discuss.

6. Quad's Breakup, IVF, and Ex Etiquette

• Quad’s failed relationship with “King” is unpacked, with speculation about whether he was “faking for fame” and insights into IVF struggles (36:48–40:48).
• Toya and Contessa reveal they’re still in touch with Quad’s ex, which would have sent Toya over the edge if the roles were reversed (37:57–38:24).
• Honest talk about co-parenting, wanting a baby, and the emotional toll of public fertility issues.

7. Angel & Brandi: Newcomers on the Scene

• Brandi receives praise for “woman of the people” energy and Greek chorus-style commentary (45:27–46:21).
• Sparring over birthday party semantics erupts between Brandi and Contessa, echoing established patterns of Bravo conflict (47:01–50:39).

8. Nurse Angel’s “Gag Reflex” Confession

• Angel admits not reading the Lidocaine bottle, resulting in a numb throat and racy jokes about bedroom skills (53:05–53:38).
• Ben and Ronnie lament that the show fixates on this rather than asking about her entrepreneurial ventures.

9. Therapizing Your Friends & Mimi’s Autism Story

• Debate about whether Mimi treats friends like patients (“Marriage Poppins!”), with Ben observing that, honestly, free therapy among friends is common (56:22–57:50).
• Mimi’s story as the parent of a neurodivergent child is lauded as authentic and vulnerable. Toya offers a rare, heartfelt compliment (62:31–63:06).

10. The Husbands' Drama: Steve vs. Eugene

• Backstage, tensions rise as the guys rehash the charity event ticket spat (63:37–66:33).
• Steve and Eugene’s squabble is cast as a “proxy war” for their wives; Steve is seen as “right,” if not “classy,” for calling out Eugene’s behavior (65:35; 66:20).
• Both hosts call out the misogyny in the “acting like a woman” insult but side with Steve on the main issue (67:39).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Met Gala Roast:
  “It looked like the place you stand in line at Disneyland before Pirates of the Caribbean.” – Ben (13:35)

• Relationship Hypocrisy:
  “You haven’t seen cheating. You’ve just seen my husband finding jobs further and further away so he doesn’t have to ever be home.” – Ronnie (23:26)

• Toya’s Pressure Washer Call-back:
  “Mariah being like, pressure wash your house, which I forgot about.” – Ben (22:41)

• Eugene’s Role Among the Men:
  “He thinks he’s the head of the show and it’s annoying… he needs to sit his ass down and stop getting in women’s business is what I say as a man spending two hours in women’s business professionally every day.” – Ronnie (27:23)

• Simone & Jackie Friendship Fallout:
  “If you can’t be friends, then you’re out, you know? Or we’re going to pause the show or whatever. So this is dangerous…” – Ronnie (11:21)

• Jackie’s Neutrality:
  “I think Jackie messed up. I think Heavenly was wrong. ... I would hold my friend’s feet to the fire, express dissatisfaction, but cutting off a 30-year friendship... is really extreme.” – Ben (86:48–87:31)

• Heavenly’s Campaign Trail:
  “If you bring Heavenly into office, Talbots and Chico’s will have sales.” – Ronnie (71:53)

• Heavenly on Parenting:
  “An epidemic in our nation is mental health and that people, like, need… that needs to be treated.” – Ben, recapping Heavenly’s emotional statement about her son (73:47)

• Brandi & Contessa’s Party Battle:
  “If it was so cringe, why’d you stay? ... actually, I was the first one to leave Tonya. Oh, because you were the first one that was asked to leave.” – Brandi vs. Toya (32:12)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 04:06 – Core cast and reunion format praise
• 08:01 – Andy’s questioning of Jackie/Simone incident
• 13:05 – Reunion set visual critique
• 20:42–24:49 – Toya & Eugene drama escalates
• 32:45 – The infamous “penis size” group chat text
• 36:48–40:48 – Quad’s breakup, IVF, and ex drama
• 45:27–46:21 – Brandi’s “Greek chorus” role discussion
• 53:05 – Nurse Angel and Lidocaine/gag reflex segment
• 57:00 – Mimi parenting and therapists among friends
• 63:37–66:33 – Husbands’ charity event and ticket drama
• 76:09 – Simone vs. Heavenly, and Jackie’s failure to defend
• 81:14–84:56 – Emotional Simone & Jackie sit-down

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Flow, Energy & Notable Dynamics

• The hosts keep the roast light and fun, even as they highlight hypocrisy, double-standards, and real emotional pain.
• They deploy pitch-perfect impressions for Heavenly, Toya, and Andy, keeping listeners engaged through comedy.
• Beneath the laughter, Ben and Ronnie give thoughtful commentary on friendship, accountability, and the unique emotional territory of long-standing reality TV relationships.

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Conclusion & Takeaways

"Friendship on Life Support" lived up to its title: the Season 12 reunion starts with old wounds festering (Simone vs. Jackie, Toya vs. everyone), brand-new drama emerging (ticketgate with the men), and the hosts making sure every hypocrisy, flop, or moment of inadvertent honesty gets mercilessly (but lovingly) exposed. If there’s hope for reconciliation, it rides on Bravo’s oldest and deepest rule: never say never, and don’t count out a friendship until next week’s reunion part 2.

Memorable closing thought:
“Usually takes a year or so. She’s usually not like a same reunion kind of forgiver. She needs, like a year to get over.” – Ronnie on Simone’s longevity with a grudge (85:04)

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Transcript

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[Ronnie Caram]

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[Ronnie Caram]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Caram]

Hi. How you doing?

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm great. It's Monday. I'm caffeinated. I just had a breakfast burrito that was delicious. So I can't think of a better way to start the day. Today we're talking marriage medicine triumphant reunion episode. You know, you sit through the awful couple strips episode three in a row or nothing happens. But then you get to the promised land of the marriage medicine reunion, and all is forgiven. Am I right? So we are talking about that today. Truly. Truly. And in fact, when they show clips of the season on the reunion, I'm like, wow, what a great season. I'm like, you know, it really would have been a great season if they just condensed the couple's trip down to one episode or even two, just to like, cut the fluff and just get to the good stuff. Anyway.

[Ronnie Caram]

Mary has that issue, though. Every year I feel like there. I feel like every year of the show, the year the season starts off and people like, this is the best season ever. This show's so good and we're all so excited. And then by the end, it's like, oh, for Christ's sake. I don't know if maybe it needs fewer episodes, you know? You know, I'm a big proponent of 12 episode seasons. I'm a huge fan of a 12 episode season and this one was close. It was only 14, but that would have gotten rid of most of that couple's trip. So. But you know what? It also is a reminder of what a good cast this is. This show. Like the core cast on this show is just magic. And every time we have a reunion, you are reminded that these are pros here.

[Ben Mandelker]

Absolutely. Today, well, they are so funny. And it's like, I'm also like, this show's been around for a long time and there's just so much backstory here. And, you know, I fell off of it the past, like two seasons. I think it was two, two, three seasons. I was like watching it, half watching. And I'm really actually happy to have returned to it. You know, you stuck. You stuck with it, like full. You're full in it the whole time. I had like a little bit of a. A little bit of a break. But I'm so happy to have been back in it even with that deadly couple's trip, because this reunion reminds us, like, it's so good, but they Also, it is like a show that does kind of hit the same notes over and over again. Like, oh, it's another reunion where Simone has, is arriving in she's hot and she's declaring that she's never going to be friends with someone ever again.

[Andy Cohen]

It's like every year this happens.

[Ben Mandelker]

But anyway, before we get into that,

[Ronnie Caram]

it's either Heavenly or Jackie. This year it's both Heavenly and Jackie.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's the whole thing. Before we get into that though, we have two live things we're doing today. First, at 1:30 West Coast Time, which is the same as 4:30 East Coast Time, we're doing Amazon live. I'm really excited because I am comparison shopping with some steamers. I bought a bunch of steamers and I did like my own little Consumer Reports testing here yesterday with steamers. And I have a lot to report back on. And then we have Crappy Hour later tonight at 5:30 West Coast Time, 8:30 East Coast Time. And there's a lot to talk about with Crappy Hour as well. A lot of stuff, a lot of public apologies, shows being put on pause, all sorts of junk. So that's stuff that will be happening later today. So we look forward to that.

[Ronnie Caram]

Anywho, also, our newsletter just came out, which is basically a blog of the week in Bravo. It's kind of a recap of all the shows. And this week was a recap of us at south by Southwest. And that's also our bonus episode this week. So we couldn't shut up about it. We blogged about it, we did a, an episode about it. So we had so much fun. So go check that out. That's free on Patreon. That's also where you get bonus videos and video recaps and ad free listening actually. Okay, let's get into it. Married to Medicine Season 12 Episode 15 Reunion Part 1

[Ben Mandelker]

so people are arriving at the New York City studios and heavily announces.

[Heavenly]

She's like, no, my voice is hoarse from campaigning. But I'm going to, I'm going to hang with the girls. I've got a horse voice. So much campaigning, doing Atlantic campaigning.

[Ronnie Caram]

I'm like, sure, I'm sure. It is rough when you campaign like this.

[Toya]

Your mama, your mama wants lower taxes, bitch.

[Ben Mandelker]

Dr. Heavenly times. What are you, what's your stance on global warming and the whether we should pivot towards green technologies?

[Toya]

Your mama, your mama should close her legs. That's, that's what I think about global warming.

[Heavenly]

I'll tell you about, I'll tell you about a green technology Your mom has a green technology. That's really all you have to say about that.

[Ronnie Caram]

So Quad is, you know, excited. Season 12 Married to Madison reunion. Here we go. Simone is getting her makeup done, and the makeup artist is like, oh, my gosh. This is the first time you and Jackie haven't shared a room in five years. It's like the five year itch. She's ready to fight with Jackie again.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Andy Cohen]

And she's like, well, I think as my friend of almost 30 years, and if you can't stand up for. For me and speak the truth, then are we even friends?

[Ben Mandelker]

And then we see that something happened, which was that on Watch what Happens Live, Jackie was. Andy was asking Jackie about the whole situation with Heavenly, and did. Did. Did Simone push her? And Jackie basically was like, well, you know, I wasn't there.

[Andy Cohen]

Andy was like, yeah, but you saw the footage.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, well, I don't really know how to use a tv, so I'm not sure really if I saw the footage or was it just a reflection

[Andy Cohen]

of me on the screen?

[Ronnie Caram]

I have a husband who still drives a PT Cruiser, and I don't understand technology. Thank you. Which was pretty weak of Jackie. I can understand Simone being pissed off at Jackie. That's some bullshit because she did not get physical. Now, as is kind of pointed out later, she didn't get physical, but it still got to the point after the arm toss or whatever, whatever you would call it, the arm removal, the hand removal from her arm, it did get into such a bad fight that they had to be physically separated, but they weren't. I just. And the only reason I bring that. And I know that there's a huge difference in fighting and spouting off and getting physical. Obviously, legally, there's a difference. There's. There's a difference. So I'm not saying there's not. It's just funny how Simone is like, I am a professional. And I'm like, yeah, but you still had to be peeled off somebody.

[Toya]

So.

[Ronnie Caram]

But, you know, I do get the physical is what makes it.

[Ben Mandelker]

It was.

[Ronnie Caram]

So, yeah, I would have been pissed at Jackie, too.

[Ben Mandelker]

I would have been pissed, too. I don't know if I would have thrown out the friendship over it, but I would have been pissed. So, yeah, Simone is like. She's just, like, upset that Jackie was staying neutral. And then we see Jackie's getting ready and quads there, and she goes, well,

[Heavenly]

I see that you. We've got you in a cumbersome situation.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, cumbersome. That's sure I guess that's like. Is she doing manual labor right now? I'm not sure. So Jackie's like, I've been there before.

[Heavenly]

And you survived.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like being in surgery. Surgery, and. Except you're on national TV and you're just dealing with your friend being cranky. But, yeah, pretty much like surgery.

[Ronnie Caram]

So we go to Heavenly, and she's like.

[Toya]

Well, she says she's so hurt by Simone, and Simone has unfollowed her. And then I saw the blog, and she. She saw a blog where Simone said that you chose the devil. And you know what I'm saying? I mean, come on. Simone's got to do the most. I'm not a devil. I'm not a devil. I'm heavenly. Heavenly times.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, and then Andy goes checking on. On Jack, and he's like, well, you're

[Andy Cohen]

supposed to be in the room with your friend.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm sad, and I don't like thinking that I hurt her.

[Andy Cohen]

Well, you and I had the conversation on Watch what Happens Live, which was so funny. God. God. And she's a doctor. She has a reputation. She has a practice, which is why I press the issue on live tv. And I think it's about what you didn't.

[Toya]

Right.

[Andy Cohen]

About her boobs.

[Ben Mandelker]

Andy coming in as if he didn't stir up this whole mess. Yeah, exactly.

[Ronnie Caram]

And I like that. Andy's like, well, here's what I think. It's what you didn't say. Okay, now I'm gonna go stir with her. So then he runs off to her to Simone's room, and he's like, simone, this is deep. And I'm talking as someone who's a dad. I've got children.

[Andy Cohen]

Well, you saved me from a divorce once, and I don't know if you can help me again.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm like, this is worse than the. This is worse than what you were dealing with with Cecil. I. Please, this. I'm sorry. I love Simone. I think she's great. I think she has every right to be pissed at Jackie. But, like, when you start acting like, you know, this is the end of a friendship, I just think it's just too much. It's too much to do that.

[Ronnie Caram]

But that's Simone, you know, she gets upset, and that's it. She's like a cut him off, cut him off kind of a girl. But the thing is, on these shows, you know, Andy has made it a very big stance in the past few years that if you guys can't make up, then that's it. Like, he did it with Jersey. He did it with. Well, I don't know if that was New York's problem. Probably, like, straight up problematic behavior was New York's problem. But we've seen it happen on all the shows where if you can't be friends, then you're out, you know, like. Or we're going to pause the show or whatever. So this is dangerous because now Simone is like half the. Half the core cast. You know, it's two people that she doesn't want to talk to you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's not good. And then you're putting all of your hopes on some. On Toya to be there for you. Toya's toil turn. Toya's a Turner.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Andy Cohen]

So Andy's like, well, tonight we're calling in 91 1, and the ladies from Mary to Madison are reuniting.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then we get this, the trailer. And now everyone comes to the stage. And the stage, is it a stage or is it a landing? Because they've set up the stage to look like the staircase at the Met Gala, which is a tribute to the Met Gala. Except, of course, the Med Gala looks nothing like this because it continues in the storied history of Bravo shows that try to stage a fake Met Gala and look nothing at all like the. You know, the Met Gala in New York City. And of course, I'm thinking of Salt Lake City when Mary Cosby had her Met Gala luncheon at Vaulters, and there was a little red carpet out on the dirty snow.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. This one has crosses everywhere. You know, like medical crosses. It's like the pattern all over the walls. I just want to go ask for free band aids. It looks like a red cross. It's weird. So, Jack, there was something.

[Ben Mandelker]

Sorry. There was something so jarring about the fact that this was, like, made to look like a giant staircase. Like, they were just on an enormous landing, but there were stairs above them and stairs below them.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

And I felt. It felt like we were in transition. Like, it didn't feel like we were, like, seated somewhere, if that made sense, but, like, was on the way up or on the way down, which I guess is a visual also being, like,

[Ronnie Caram]

really tiny people on the way up.

[Andy Cohen]

Yes.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's like.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes.

[Ronnie Caram]

The incredible shrinking woman. Like, going up or going down. No. Let's just stop on this step and have a reunion.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, it was all red. It was. It just was sort of wacky. You know, it reminded me of some of those Salt Lake City reunions where they made this look like, you know, the place that you stand in line in at Disneyland to get you ready for pirates of the caribbean or something. You know, it's like Disney fied.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, if one thing these ladies know how to deliver is high fashion and high blood pressure. Nailed it. Okay. Good to see you, Dr. Jackie, you vaccinated for drama tonight. Whoa.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, I am. I am double dose.

[Andy Cohen]

Like, oh, I'm sorry. Under the new administration, you've just lost your medical license.

[Ben Mandelker]

But it was a metaphor.

[Andy Cohen]

No. No vaccines allowed whatsoever. I'm sorry.

[Ronnie Caram]

Okay, Dr. Evan, will you be practicing diplomacy tonight?

[Toya]

She's like, mom, we'll see.

[Andy Cohen]

So you also have lost your medical license. No diplomacy in this one.

[Ronnie Caram]

So he basically just goes around and says hi to everybody, and toya gets first se. Which is, you know, of course it goes to her head right away. She tries to lead the entire reunion. Yeah. And she's like, the set looks breathtaking, Eddie. I love that I was able to inspire the people.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes, Toya. Everyone said, you know what? We need a set that speaks of Toyah bush Harris. Let's get a bunch of staircases. If you were inspiring the people, it would be a u haul, just the back of a rider truck.

[Ronnie Caram]

So Jackie's like, well, toya did have a good leader. Andy. He's like, oh, wow, we're gonna fight over that. Oh, now, so you want to claim the spot? You want to try to. Try to take my living art, My love of the art met gala?

[Ben Mandelker]

And so then Andy's like, well, okay.

[Andy Cohen]

Well, okay. Simone, you brought me some earplugs tonight. It is, right? It's. It's the right one that I'm going to be popping in, right? Oh, that was kind of you. Hi, Dr. Mimi.

[Ronnie Caram]

She's like, hi, this is reunion Mimi. I'm ready to rumble. Reunion Mimi strapped in and ready. And did Joya try to sell you a ticket to get on the reunion stage? That was.

[Andy Cohen]

Oh.

[Ronnie Caram]

So yeah. Mimi's like, tickets, donations, whatever she wanted. Whatever she wanted. So we say hi to quad, and he asks her if blondes have more fun because she's a blonde today. And she's like, that's what the people say, Andy. I have fun every day in my life, though. Every day. I demand fun. I'm quad Non cumbersome quad.

[Andy Cohen]

That's right, you do. And hey, speaking of fun, it's America's funnest reality star, Dr. Cadessa. Any predictions for tonight?

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, a stormy night ahead, but at least it's gonna be a beautiful war because everybody looks amazing.

[Andy Cohen]

Okay. That meant nothing. Okay. I was really surprised when I walked into Simone's room today and you and Jackie were not sharing, as I think you've done almost every single single year. It's almost as if someone here had one of you on the stage and kind of destroyed your relationship. Right.

[Ronnie Caram]

I needed Jackie, and she failed to deliver. I am an unborn baby still, Andy. And I just wanted to be in a room by myself.

[Andy Cohen]

I am a pizza that's lost in a Domino's truck. I am undelivered.

[Ronnie Caram]

So I am an unkept promise. Andy, he's like, okay, well, we'll get into it a little later. Well, why'd you bring it up then?

[Andy Cohen]

I know I am every parcel on FedEx ground. Sorry, had to get that in undelivered.

[Ronnie Caram]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, rightly so. I just had to go pick one up at my neighbor's house.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, God. Those not your neighbors.

[Ronnie Caram]

Every time. I'm telling you, every time.

[Andy Cohen]

Every single time. All right, well, I'm really hoping we can get to a better place, which is what every package at FedEx Ground says, and I'm confident that we can. Okay. But first, let's tear each other down. This Season, Toyota put down roots in a brand new home with a giant cherry blossom tree planted in her closet.

[Ben Mandelker]

But as Eugene branched out to a

[Andy Cohen]

long distance career, Toyota went out on a limb to run this year's med gala. Trees and leaves, everyone. And furthermore, SAP and twigs. Tree punch.

[Ronnie Caram]

Why do you keep calling her Toyota?

[Andy Cohen]

Toyota? I'm saying Toya, but my Andy impersonation adds the top to a Toyota because I'm affordable and reliable.

[Ronnie Caram]

How dare you. She would be so pissed if you called her Toyota. She says she doesn't want to be. At least make her Alexis.

[Ben Mandelker]

Toyota is actually an amazing, like, nickname for her. Toyota, Toyota Camry. She's. I don't think she's as reliable as that. Just maybe a Toyota just like a Toyota. I don't know. Toyotas are actually all reliable, right?

[Ronnie Caram]

You're like, I cannot diss a Toyota. Not as easy as FedEx ground, is it?

[Ben Mandelker]

No, but Toyota is a dista. You know, because she thinks, like, I think that this would be something along the lines of, like, you know, you think you're a rules, but you're really just a Toyota or something. I don't know. But like, I'll have to workshop that,

[Ronnie Caram]

you know, so of course we ask if Toyota. Damn it. See if Toya is still in the same house. Oh, if Toria is still in the same house. And she's like, where else am I going to be? And he's like, well, you have had many homes. And she's like, paid for a ball I purchased for the ball. I purchased the ball, Eddie. He's like, okay. Well, not questioning ownership. Okay. Heavenly is this toy is forever home.

[Toya]

And she's like, no, then this is called forever a bitch. But no, she'll sell it in a few years and get a profit and probably move to a condo by herself somewhere.

[Ronnie Caram]

And they're like, what? And quad's like, by herself.

[Toya]

Did I say that? I'm so sorry.

[Ben Mandelker]

Did I say that?

[Heavenly]

I'm really sorry.

[Ronnie Caram]

I didn't mean that.

[Heavenly]

I didn't mean that. I didn't mean that. Bitch will be living on her own. I feel like she's gonna sell it and get a great profit and move it to something higher. Higher. In a tiny apartment somewhere where she'll just have to run hell alone because she's pushed Eugene away. Did I say that part too? Oh, my God. I'm really sorry.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, Engel from Wood, California said maybe if Toya treated Eugene with more respect, he wouldn't want to spend all that time on the road.

[Andy Cohen]

Okay. As a Toyota who. Let's go places as in a new house. I just want to say I think that some people are projecting, like the other. Like the people on that side of the couch. She doesn't have a clue what's going on in my.

[Ben Mandelker]

We don't yell all the time, but

[Andy Cohen]

it happens, you know, And I think it happens with everyone's household. So, you know, I'm Toya.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, you said Simone. You said Toya's skip a day of work party was actually like every day for Toya. Do you stand by that? She's like, I stand by it. Toya has a great life. She keeps immaculate house and keeps it up well, Andy. And no one would be able to go there and say it needed pressure washing. And so we flashback to Mariah being like, pressure wash your house,

[Ben Mandelker]

which I forgot about.

[Heavenly]

Oh, they burn. Listen, the pressure washer, baby. They've got the pressure washer up there. Cumbersome pressure washer.

[Andy Cohen]

All right, well, 3M from tape says Toya, you said some women love watching you and Eugenia argue while mis. While misrepresenting their own relationship. So what do you mean by that? She's. Well, I just think that it's, like, very easy for certain ladies to deflect because, like, you haven't seen any cheating in my relationship. And my husband's not telling me he doesn't trust me with my son. So let's stop with the shenanigans because I think everyone on the stage should

[Ben Mandelker]

honestly stay out of my relationship.

[Ronnie Caram]

Stay out of it. You haven't seen cheating. You've just seen my husband finding jobs further and further away so he doesn't have to ever be home. So leave me alone. Engel from Wood and Heavenly's like, well,

[Toya]

but if you wouldn't put it out there, we would have anything to say.

[Heavenly]

Toya.

[Ronnie Caram]

She's like, well, unless you want Toya to start telling everybody secrets, she's like,

[Toya]

oh, go ahead, go ahead. Please open the book for everyone. Open the book, Toya. Because there's a book that hasn't been opened on Toria's relationship as well.

[Ronnie Caram]

And Toya's like, really? Well, let's talk about it then. Because I had a whole Lex door neighbor that told me about your husband.

[Toya]

She goes, oh, really? Well, I had someone on the campaign trail tell me about your husband and what he does in the hospital and why he was fired.

[Ronnie Caram]

Excuse me. Stop this reunion right now and tell me the gossip on both of these things. Eugene cheated and did something bad in a. In A in a emergency room and what else happened? I need to know everything. Please.

[Ben Mandelker]

I do need to know. I need to know because. Yeah, because Eugene has been sort of doing. I don't know. Well, I don't know if he was fired or not. That's just heavenly. Saying shit. And she's. She does make up stuff. But he has been sort of like on. I don't know, like when we first met him, he was in an emergency room. And then all of a sudden it's

[Andy Cohen]

like, no mother blue.

[Ben Mandelker]

And he's just sort of going around place to place. So what is going on with that? So heavenly. So.

[Heavenly]

Well, let's do that. Let's do that. Let's put it on the table. Ladies, if you're gonna stay out of everyone's relationship, make sure that flows all the way through Liberty Bob.

[Ronnie Caram]

A river runs through it. RIP Robert Newman Redford.

[Heavenly]

Let the river run the river Wild. Meryl Streep White river rafting that part.

[Ronnie Caram]

Why do people fly when they fish? I don't even understand that movie. That movie was stupid. Now Toya, I do have to say you have spoken on people's marriages. You spoke on my husband. And she's like, well, I only spoke Jackie after, you know, anything I've spoken about your marriage has been after you brought it to the table and we had a conversation about it. Even though this, this time I had a plot line about your husband making me sit on his lap. But whatever. There's no way.

[Ben Mandelker]

Jack. Table. Jackie is not going back to that can of worms, okay? She is how she is wanting all of us to forget it. And it was Toya who just brought it up again on Watch what Happens Live. And they showed all that. Like, Jackie did not open that one up. Toya.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. So then we see the. The clip of that where Toya is saying that Curtis has put his hands on multiple of the ladies. Wa. Jackie says, well, I've never spoken about Eugene and your disrespect to your husband. I mean, Jackie came out kind of swinging in this one. I was surprised because Jackie usually tries to not fight, you know, and so she's like, well, I've never spoken about Eugene and your disrespect to your husband. And she goes, oh, okay, wow.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay.

[Ronnie Caram]

She goes. And you know. And Joy goes, oh, wow.

[Ben Mandelker]

At that age. That age.

[Ronnie Caram]

Look at that age. And she goes, uh huh. Well, it looks good on some of us. And she was in menopause. Toya, you understand you're like a block away from menopause. Right. Like, come on.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. That's gonna be the next place she moves to. So cadessa's like, I'm in menopause and quite goes toya.

[Heavenly]

Don't shame of the age. Don't age. Shame. Don't do it. It's a cumbersome time for all of us.

[Andy Cohen]

I'm about to be 50. I could talk about. That's all I want. Okay, Jackie, no one is coming to you about Curtis. Like, I could be.

[Ben Mandelker]

Jack is like, okay, and nobody's coming to you.

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah, but Curtis sat my husband out and had a whole conversation.

[Ben Mandelker]

She goes as he should have.

[Andy Cohen]

No, no, he should not. Curtis is the last one that should be talking to other. But unibody's man.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm like, toya, what are you talking about? Well, I mean, I don't think Curtis is anything great, but I feel like Toya is not making great point here.

[Ronnie Caram]

No. And don't throw age jokes when you live in a metamucil house, Toya. And also, yeah, Curtis should not be talking to anybody's husband. But your husband is not the, you know, elected leader of this group either. And I'm a little sick of Eugene walking around, you know, fucking lecturing everybody all the time like he's the man of the house. He's not the man of this house and he needs to sit his ass down and stop getting a women's business is what I say. As a man sitting here spending two hours in women's business professionally every day,

[Ben Mandelker]

I have to say that, like, I've always really adored Eugene. I think he's so adorable. I think he's cute and everything. And, you know, he's a doctor. It's great. And their kids are so wonderful. But I have been this season reflecting on the fact that whenever there is an issue amongst the menses, it's always kind of Eugene in the middle of it. And I'm like, you know, you gotta. It's at a certain point you gotta say, wait a second, wait a second, Eugene. And then we have. Well, I mean, I'm excited to talk about the Steve Sanders stuff that happens later in this episode because, you know, I have opinions on that.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, that's good. That's required. But yeah, Eugene and Toya both kind of elect themselves as the leaders. Like, they think they're like the head of the show and it's annoying. So Andy asked Toya, when she watched the footage from her party, her reaming Eugene out, what was her reaction? She's like, oh, it was horrible. I reacted and I reacted poorly. And I was just so upset. And they didn't even show. Like, I locked myself in the closet and I was spiraling. I don't want to spiral, especially not in front of people that don't love my family. And for people to keep attacking our relationship or attacking me, I just need somebody to say with love. Hey, Toya, you went a little far. Boo. They did. They all said that. And you were screaming at your husband like a crazy person at that party. You were acting nuts at that party. So for you to come on and lecture anybody about their husband or their marriage is crazy, Toya. It's crazy. Crazy toy.

[Ben Mandelker]

It is crazy. Also, when you say you locked yourself in your closet, it doesn't. First of all, that doesn't have the same impact of when a normal person locks themselves in their closet. Because, like, for any of us to lock ourselves in our closet, you're just like, oh, I went into this tiny, confined space surrounded by clothing for you. You went into a giant room with a cherry tree inside. You just went into another luxurious space. And when you said you spiral, you probably just walked around the tree 10 times.

[Ronnie Caram]

Although she did lock herself in there, probably with Anila, because remember, she was in the closet with Anila, which would make it more terrifying, I think, mainly

[Ben Mandelker]

if Anila's mom was there. Was there too. So quad is like, well, we did speak to you.

[Andy Cohen]

It's like, you did quad. I didn't say that. When you came to my closet, you did spoke to me.

[Ben Mandelker]

Contessa goes. And I'll say this, Andy, I think we need to take a little bit of responsibility as well. Because when that happened, a true group of friends would have said, okay, party's over. Let's just go. No, no. You guys are all having fun. And Toya was having a freak out. And this is what Toya does. She was having a tantrum. And what real friends do is say, well, fuck her. Give me a margarita.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, I'm not leaving the open bar and the food that's being passed by strippers. I'm staying at this party. Toriya can stay in her closet all she wants to. And so Mimi agrees with us. She's like, no, no, no. My question is like, let's have a conversation, Toya. Because at that point, I did not do anything. I didn't do anything to you. She. You literally said you with your husband. Oh, my God. I would never. Yeah, because they would never. You were acting cray cray.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Andy was like, but you said

[Andy Cohen]

their Marriage was cringe. It was giving Grinch. Exactly. Mimi's like, no, yeah. I said it was hard to watch and it was cringey. Until it says, but you could have got the yourself because, well, I encourage marriage. But instead you were sitting there gossiping. And then you started to watch more

[Ben Mandelker]

cringe, by the way, as if Toya doesn't do this all the time. Toya, who literally. Her other big storyline is that she weighed in on Angel's relationship with Bernard, as if we even care. And now she's upset that while you're having a full on fight with your husband at the. At a party, a big public party that's making it awkward for everyone that Mimi says that it's cringe. And now you're upset at that when you have no problem whatsoever commenting on everyone else, whether it's Bernard, whether it's Curtis, whether it's like the guy who works at the UPS store, like, whoever it is, you're. You're commenting all the time. So you know what? This is just what happens. Metamucil house.

[Ronnie Caram]

Back in the Metamucil house. I love Mimi. Just saying I encourage marriage. That's so funny to me. So she's like, but instead you just stayed so you could watch more cringe. If it was so cringe, why'd you stay? And she goes, actually, I was the first one to leave Toya. She's like, oh, because you were the first one that was asked to leave. That's why. She goes, no, no, you. It's because you sat there and called us hating ass.

[Toya]

And Heavenly's like, jesus, I would never use language like that.

[Ronnie Caram]

And Mimi's like, that is the true definition of projection. Well, Mimi, I could see right now, Holly, you're misled. You're misled.

[Andy Cohen]

Projection, deflection. You don't own shit. And that's your defense mechanism. All right, you've rhymed. We have to move on. Okay. Things got a little too honest and raw over the group chat when Heavenly decided to talk to you about Eugene's penis size again.

[Ronnie Caram]

We see the text again, girl, I'm between patients, but I had to say this. My man loves me too, but his dick big. So you're loving on some little shit. Let's go.

[Heavenly]

Well, it had nothing to do with penis size. It had everything to do with her taking shots, just like she did right now.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Toya's like, it wasn't a shot.

[Andy Cohen]

It was about a purse. And when you went to my husband's penis, like you wanted to suck It. I'm just trying to figure it out.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then he goes, oh, boy, it was a shot.

[Ronnie Caram]

You were saying that she has fake purses because she's poor Toya. That was a shot. And so Toya's like, you need to worry about your husband's penis because there's nothing bulging through your husband's pants. And he's like, okay, okay.

[Toya]

And Evan Lee just goes, my man is from Barbados, bitch.

[Andy Cohen]

Dr. Jackie, you have Toya the lead in throwing this year's med gala. I guess we're just gonna move on

[Ben Mandelker]

from the penis stuff, which is shocking for me.

[Andy Cohen]

Heaven.

[Ronnie Caram]

And he only likes to talk about boobs. Like, when it comes to all the penis talk, he's like, oh, God, we're talking about that. Okay, let's talk about Contessa's boobs.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, to be fair, I think he would be down for the penis talk if it weren't, like, trying to imagine Daddy's penis.

[Andy Cohen]

It's like, oh, I don't really want

[Ben Mandelker]

to think about Damon's penis. Like, let's be honest.

[Ronnie Caram]

So I love all the talk. Like, every time they accuse Daddy of cheating, I just think Daddy is exhausted. Like, that man. I can tell you right now, that man does not have the energy to cheat.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay? No, he doesn't.

[Andy Cohen]

So you gave Jackie. You gave Toya the lead in the med gala. Heavily. Said it was to teach her a lesson. Which lesson were you trying to teach Toya? And is she capable of learning lessons?

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, when it comes to parties, that's the girl. And we thought that Toya would definitely throw a good one, because, as we all saw, her santrope party, when she yelled at her husband and made it awkward for everyone and we all left early, was nothing but a success. So, you know, give her a larger platform.

[Ronnie Caram]

Toya's great at lessons. Watch this. Toya. If a train is going northward at 50 miles an hour and another train is going southwards at 50 miles an hour, how fast are they going when they pass each other? Trains are stupid. I fly. I fly all the time. I'm not gonna take a fucking train. See Andy?

[Ben Mandelker]

So Andy is like, well, so doy.

[Andy Cohen]

Approving herself.

[Ben Mandelker]

And they all are. They actually all are very complimentary, even heavenly.

[Heavenly]

She's like, yes, it was amazing.

[Ben Mandelker]

So.

[Andy Cohen]

And he goes, does that mean something to you that you're getting. You're hearing this with the group. That's it. That's it. But it doesn't. The rest of us.

[Toya]

Oh, God, here we go.

[Andy Cohen]

But there was so much that I want throw to God.

[Heavenly]

You went through.

[Toya]

Oh, my God.

[Ronnie Caram]

She's like, when you asked about the group chat, you know, I decided this beautiful, beautiful lab coat that y' all gave me. You see this group? I put the group chat on it. I put the group chat on it. Okay, so here's a laser porter for you, Andy.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Toya has pulled pulls out this lab coat with, like screenshots of the group chat, which is cool in theory. And I don't even know how she did that, but what it meant was that she couldn't really hold it up and like, you couldn't really see the group chat. So it was just sort of like this floppy thing and everyone was just

[Andy Cohen]

sort of like, whoa, that's pretty cool that you made this. It's totally not functional for the reunion, but, like, cool, cool prop.

[Ronnie Caram]

Jackie's like, wow, I love that lab coat. I now have group group text lab coats by Jackie. Come. Wait a minute. Jackie's just gonna steal everybody's business.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's very creative. Not very bright, but creative. It's like when you see a. It's like when you see a child, child just splatter paint on a canvas and their parents say it's art. And the rest of us just know just goop.

[Ronnie Caram]

So, yeah, no one's really into this because I can't read it. So let's switch gears. Ms. Quad found a handsome King. So she put all her energy into ivs. But will they stop making room for each other?

[Toya]

Let's watch.

[Ronnie Caram]

So it's a lot of King, like, low key, being an asshole. And then Ambi asks if they're. If it's true that they're no longer together. And it's true they are no longer together. And as Quad says, life happens.

[Toya]

Andy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Which is also the name of her new sitcom, Life Happens on Freeform starting this fall with Quad.

[Ronnie Caram]

She thought he was the one. Was the breakup mutual or not? And she's like, you know, it was mutual. We weren't doing very well towards the end of last year. We tried, but we couldn't get together on some of the fundamentals. Andy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And she says.

[Andy Cohen]

And he's like, well, has anyone here been in touch with King? This is a trick question because I know three people over here have been. Does anyone?

[Ben Mandelker]

And so they're like, they're basically the. The couch opposite Quad has all been into Toya, Contessa, etc. They all have been in touch with King. And Contesta is like, well, you didn't want him to be here.

[Heavenly]

She Goes, I didn't say that. Contessa.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, I'm asking. We're asking. Which is why I said it like a statement, right?

[Ronnie Caram]

This is why I made a complete sentence. And it's like, well, oh, so you're talking to my ex. And Toya's like, well, you know, he looked out for Ashton for his birthday, which was amazing. And we see that he gave him a luxury car to drive around on his birthday. So of course that's all it took for Toya. So Toya's like, love him, love him. Now Toya would have a fucking fit if she broke up with Eugene. And people still talk to that man. Oh, she's crazy. Acting like, what?

[Toya]

Of course we love King.

[Andy Cohen]

It was a beautiful thing. And everyone in Atlanta was so appreciative

[Ben Mandelker]

when the 16 year old kid, the kid who just turned 16, was driving

[Andy Cohen]

in three different lanes in a Ferrari. That was too hard for a person with experience to drive. To drive. But. But yeah, he had a great time, you know.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, it was beautiful, you know, and y' all went from being so lovey dovey and like, you know, then it was cringy to watch. Oh, okay. So it's okay.

[Toya]

Cringy.

[Ronnie Caram]

So now that's okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

You literally like just said the word. Toria Rose to.

[Ronnie Caram]

Toria is the biggest fucking hypocrite on this show and I love it. She makes me laugh so hard. I just started laughing when she called it cringy and didn't even. No one said anything and it like it didn't even register with her.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know.

[Heavenly]

Well, the relationship was good and it was good and then it wasn't and it was not so good. It was over. I know nothing stays the same, but if you're willing to play the game, it's coming around again cumbersomely.

[Ronnie Caram]

So someone said that now that Quad and King are no longer a thing, Heavenly decides to speak on it and spin the narrative that King was faking the relationship for fame. But Quad needed a storyline too. And Heavenly's like, I've never done that.

[Toya]

I've never said that.

[Ronnie Caram]

And Quad's like, let me speak now. Heavenly a storyline. I never come up with my storylines. I'm not doing that on off seasons trying to figure out what's next. I don't want that type of anxiety on me. What I do is I go with what is currently happening in my life.

[Heavenly]

Yes. And what is happening in my life is that I was in a relationship with King. King of men, who's so vain, he probably Thinks this song is about him. Don't you, don't you, don't you?

[Ronnie Caram]

Fame, I want to live forever. I want to learn how to fly fish. You want to learn how to fly fish? Because that movie's stupid. Hated that movie. Okay, well, listen, anybody faking IVF for TV is crazy, because that's hard. And she's like, yeah, why the. Why would I go through all these IVF shots in Ghana where no one was allowed to film me?

[Ben Mandelker]

Just kidding. Yeah, seriously.

[Ronnie Caram]

But seriously, why would you put yourself through that for tv?

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, Toya's still probably trying to think about the answer to that question right now as we speak.

[Andy Cohen]

Like, well, would someone do that? It's a good question.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Heavenly is, like, the longest Jeopardy. Theme song of all time in, like, 16 days.

[Ronnie Caram]

Wow. We've never heard that song. Get to the bridge, Toya. Well done.

[Andy Cohen]

We didn't know there was a bridge. We thought it was a complete song.

[Ben Mandelker]

30 second song.

[Ronnie Caram]

So heavenly says everything happened how it was supposed to. And then Andy asked Dr. Jackie if fertility struggles put strains on relationship. Yes, Andy. Yes. We saw it in Jackie's own relationship. So then Simone's like, I have a question. And you're more than welcome to say none of my damn business. But if you and King could not decide on whose house. House to live in or when you were going to get engaged or get married, why did y' all move forward with ivs? And she's like, he's a great co parent. Even now, he doesn't live in the same household with his daughter and her mom. And he's an amazing co parent. She wanted the kid, not the man.

[Ben Mandelker]

Exactly. He was in it to sneak bites of her fish. Literally. It wasn't trying to be raunchy. I mean, like, literally taking bites from her takeout.

[Toya]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

And he. And she was in it for a baby. And at a certain point, like, it just didn't work out anymore.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah.

[Andy Cohen]

Well, so you were thinking more along the lines that even if this doesn't work out, I have an amazing sperm donor.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm surprised that Simone is asking this question, as someone who probably has encountered this many times with her patients, why is she sort of stumped by this? And Contessa says, well, it did seem to me, as an outsider who threw an amazing birthday party for herself, that maybe he lost interest, unlike the attendees at my birthday party. And he was just in it for you, like, to support you, but not so much because you want a father

[Andy Cohen]

that wants a kid.

[Ben Mandelker]

And, like, that's what it seems like. And he wasn't as interested in that journey as you were. So did I get that right? Are you going to yell at me?

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. And Addie says, you know, you didn't seem to be on the same page. And she's like, well, I can only agree. I can only go on what we both agreed upon. Which. Which was we both decided. Without a gun to his head or without me pushing him off a bridge, without me having a car saying, I'm gonna run you over? Without chaining him to a radiator and beating him with a wooden spoon? Without threatening to put a banana peel on the ground for him to fall down on Andy. Without.

[Heavenly]

Without telling him to run off that cliff. And he runs and runs, and then all of a sudden, he realizes there's no more cliff below him, and he looks at the cat. Cameron falls down into the Grand Canyon without even that happening.

[Ronnie Caram]

Saying the entire way, without any of that at me,

[Heavenly]

without even doing those things. We decided to go on this journey together, and I never wanted to neglect anything that had anything to do with him. And I've always put my best foot forward in a very, very fast way that I'm uncatchable. And I have devoted myself to that.

[Ronnie Caram]

So when I heard he wasn't on the same page, I said, damn, where am I missing the mark? Were you upset? Well, I said, where am I missing the mark? Does that mean you're upset? I missed Mark. I miss Mark. I knew a boy named Mark. I miss him. I miss Mark.

[Andy Cohen]

If you're thinking about Mark and Suarez, I've got dibs on him first as. Stay back.

[Ronnie Caram]

So what's next for you? Are you gonna try having a family solo? And she's like, all right, take it one day at a time. Andy, having a baby is a lot like alcoholism. Andy, baby steps.

[Heavenly]

I decided to take inspiration from the late Bonnie Franklin Rodola, going, one day at a time, one day at a time, One day at a time. Na na na na.

[Ronnie Caram]

Women have beautiful children without men all the time, so stay tuned. Says someone who doesn't want to have storylines enough just to happen.

[Heavenly]

I'll fight my Schneider someday.

[Ronnie Caram]

So now, guys, are we needing some energy? Let's bring angel and Brandy to the stage. Angel, not so much, but Brandy did a great job. I think Brandy's really warmed up into being a good. I mean, Angel's not bad either, but Brandy, I think, was particularly good.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, I have to say, I've really enjoyed Brandi all season long. I thought she was really Funny. And she does, like, lots of, like, funny facial expressions, too. And she seems like. She's just like, she. She's kind of giving, like, woman of the people vibes. Greek chorus, you know, where she's kind of like, what is going on with these crazy people that I'm on this show with? And so I've really enjoyed that from her. And Angel's fine.

[Ronnie Caram]

Angel, she's giving girl at lunch with aunties, and she's just trying to explain to them, like, you cannot say that. You cannot say that right here in a looby's and expect to get away with it because I'm gonna call you out on it. Auntie, you cannot talk like that. You know,

[Ben Mandelker]

her eyes. She does this thing. Her. She bulges her eyes. And she's also so amused when she gets in. Into it with Contessa in a few moments. I love that she doesn't get caught up in it the entire time. She's almost, like, laughing like, yeah, bitch, no, you.

[Ronnie Caram]

But calls him out.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, that's great energy to have. I hope she can stick with it.

[Ronnie Caram]

So, Selena. No, not that one. Still RIP from Laredo says, we want to know how an RN suddenly becomes a movie star. Brandy or. Yeah, Angel. Angel, sorry. And Angel's like, well, I started in the music industry young, blah, blah, blah. But I do have multiple degrees, thank you very much. Okay, well, Heavenly, you seem surprised by Angel's dance moves. Were you insinuating that there something nefarious about her background?

[Toya]

And she's like, no, no, no, no. I just think she has a beautiful body, and I think she can use it in a lot of different ways. She could be a doctor. She could be a. Like she is on tv.

[Ronnie Caram]

And that's all I'm saying.

[Toya]

I don't know.

[Paige Desorbo]

I don't.

[Toya]

I don't know what you're taking from

[Andy Cohen]

that wicked G. Cynthia Erivo on Twitter said cadets are crashing out on Brandy because she had a plan to plan two birthday events for herself. And meanwhile, Brandy's man set up a birthday dinner for her hassle free. Brandi, is Contessa invited to your next birthday party?

[Ben Mandelker]

And Brandi goes, well, as of right now, she's invited because her and I have had a couple of words. Once I watched some of the stuff that she said that I couldn't hear at my party. Me and her had to have a little talk because she knows I don't play about my husband.

[Andy Cohen]

Oh, and why were you unimpressed, Contessa?

[Ben Mandelker]

And Contessa's like, Well, I mean, nobody plays about their husband. She's like, or talk about the fact that I had a party. I didn't have a party. I had a dinner. It wasn't a party. Which I actually appreciated that clarification, even though she did just say it was a party a second ago, because it was. It was just a dinner as opposed to a party. So Contessa really needed to relax about all that, I guess.

[Ronnie Caram]

But this is a bone of contention now, because Contesta's like, you did. You did.

[Toya]

And Heavenly goes, it was a party.

[Ronnie Caram]

And Contessa's like, I didn't say anything. You did say. You did say something that was wild of Contessa that night, where Contessa got all upset, like, it was wild.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

About a dinner. And, like, started dissing that. Like, dissing the husband for giving her a lame dinner.

[Andy Cohen]

Yikes.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

And, like, the husband just calls in to check in. And so then Brandy puts him up in front of everyone. But, like, thank you for the dinner. Like, I just thought it was, like, so normal and fine. It was not extra at all. And Contessa just, like, lost her mind. And she's like, so what happened was a big misunderstanding. And I can tell you that I came in with good intentions. I have no idea why it turned into a conversation, even about my husband's party. And that started before I got there. And Brandy's like, who was talking about you, though? Because I wasn't. She's like, well, it was you in Heavenly. And she goes.

[Heavenly]

And Heavenly's like, we didn't have a conversation.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then we see, like, the clip.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's.

[Ben Mandelker]

Heavenly was talking to Brandy about it. Like, Heavenly instigated this. Yes, exactly.

[Toya]

And she's like, because you kept bringing up the party.

[Ronnie Caram]

And Brandy's like, we did. We said something bad? What did we say?

[Toya]

And Heavenly's like, we did. We did.

[Ronnie Caram]

It was heavenly. And Toria's like, yeah, it wasn't Yule. It was heavenly.

[Toya]

Toya. Toya doesn't ever know what she's talking about. Shut up, Toya.

[Ronnie Caram]

And Contessa's like, roll the tape. So then we see. And it's just Heavenly making the comments. And so Brandy's like, okay, so what bothered you? And she's like, well, look, I apologize. And she goes, well, you came pretty hard. And she's like, okay, well, just let me know when you're finished, and then I'll just hook.

[Ben Mandelker]

I. I came soft. And that's what I'm trying to say. Soft under your breath. Next time, come loud, then I can hear you, and then I can address it in the moment. She goes, hey, you don't think I was loud at the party? She goes, no, because it wasn't a microphone under your breath. So next time, say it loud, and then we can address it in the moment.

[Ronnie Caram]

And she's like, well, I was just flabbergasted. I mean, we're celebrating Brandi, but somehow or another, I gotta call your husband and FaceTime him and tell him thank you for some chicken wings. Like, I mean, I just didn't get that. And she goes, oh, girl. Bye. Let's get back to this. Let's be clear. At your party, we spent about an hour with you complaining about your husband to me. And she's like, I never complained. And she goes, you said, brandi, I've never had a party in my whole life. I've turned almost 50 and I haven't had a party still. And she's like, yeah, I don't remember saying that. Yes, you did. Of course you were saying that, because, you know, people were egging you on too, and being like, did Scott do anything for this?

[Ben Mandelker]

So, contessa is like, well, I've had several dinners, and your definition of party is what you had. That's what you had. Because. No, my definition of a party, I've had multiple parties, and what I had was a dinner contest is like, well, why are we competing about parties? I'm not trying to compete because. Girl, bye.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, because you are the one trying to compete. So Brandi just rolls her eyes like, okay, auntie, okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

I apologize if I came to your party in your mind with anything but love and celebration of who you are. Because that day to me, should have been about Brandi and her inability to throw a good party because it was the day that God decided that this world needed a bad party planner on this earth. Okay? And our world would be incomplete unless we had a chicken wing throwing dinner party person.

[Ronnie Caram]

So they're like, okay, well, let's just celebrate each other then. Okay, well, Donkey from Kong kills Mario every single time because he's a badass. Says, how does angel in our end not know how much Linocaine

[Ben Mandelker]

Ronnie on the Nintendo Wars.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yes, I've been playing. I was playing the the New the New the Mario Kart against my niece all weekend. And I kept winning because I play as Donkey Kong on a Vespa. So thank you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I'd like to see you go up against Rosalina, the Diane Sawyer of the Mario Kart universe

[Paige Desorbo]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Caram]

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[Andy Cohen]

So you're saying that you're a nurse who doesn't read the directions on medicine.

[Ben Mandelker]

Great.

[Andy Cohen]

Love to have that. Simone, do you have something to say about medical licenses?

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh. So Tori is like, oh, my God. She was just the moment. And she says, yeah, I didn't read it, you know, but it had everything numb. Oh, my God, I couldn't even breathe. So they laugh about that.

[Heavenly]

That.

[Ronnie Caram]

And they laugh about how she's trying to get rid of her gag reflex for. For blowing people. And this is kind of a long time. It's kind of all she really gets to do in this. I felt bad for her because it's like, welcome, Angel. Talk about your gag reflex. Okay, thanks. We'll never talk to you again.

[Ben Mandelker]

It was kind of, like, shitty. And this is what we always joke about. Like, the moment that someone says, like, some kind of, like, slightly raunchy or sexy tale, like, that's the thing that they decide to focus on with the reunion. And honestly, I don't. I just don't think we as the audience care that much. Right. It's not me being a prude, but it's like, it's funny in that moment, but it's not something that needs to be dwelled upon. It's kind of like, you know, the best jokes don't need to be explained. And it's kind of like we're sitting and explaining the joke in this moment. And it's not like I care so much about her scrub business, but, like, why don't you ask her questions about her scrubs? Like, why are we dwelling?

[Ronnie Caram]

I hope that That's a thing they better ask her. How do you feel about Jackie ripping off your business? Because that was crazy. So they do ask about Bernard then, though. I mean. So Toya. Wait. Do they ask? They do. They do.

[Ben Mandelker]

So base quad is like. Actually, quad has asked the question because Toya.

[Heavenly]

Can I ask a question? Why did you ask Bernard Leonard, how was angel in the bedroom?

[Andy Cohen]

And Toy goes, well, that was actually a longer conversation than was Sean, because I asked him a ton of questions

[Heavenly]

and cargo some buzz because I said, who is she? Cat watching?

[Ben Mandelker]

And Toya's like, no, I. I loved

[Andy Cohen]

what he did for a living.

[Ben Mandelker]

I knew.

[Andy Cohen]

I knew.

[Ben Mandelker]

And quads like, but I thought you.

[Heavenly]

I thought you were cat watching.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Toy was like, no.

[Andy Cohen]

I asked him why they were dating. Why would they. Why they weren't dating anymore. So that's just like, the one that was spicy enough to build Sean.

[Ben Mandelker]

So basically, Toya's saying, that's why I asked, because I. It was like we were having a longer conversation, and I just was, you know. You know, I was sort of pushing it a little bit, but also, like, I would have liked some questions about, like, isn't this totally. Like, wasn't Toya totally overstepping with all this, just in general, while Toya was like, oh, my God, I'm never gonna set her up with a family. Like, isn't it a violation of girl code? There were, like, a lot of questions to be had with this, but instead, we had the lighter cane and the blowjobs.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. And Tori's like, oh, it's just a joke. You know, I'm a little intrusive. Okay. And so Angel's like, well, what, you want a little taste of my kitty cat? Is that why you want to talk about it? And she's like, I want to taste you. That's another lie that Heavenly spits out that I eat coochie.

[Toya]

And Heavenly's like, you were the one who said you liked women. You said you liked women. I didn't say that.

[Ronnie Caram]

So, yeah, I wish we kind of got into this Bernard stuff because this is all stupid. So now we go to Dr. Mimi. Okay. She was voted most likely to try treat her friends like patients. But when it came to struggles at home, Mimi voted herself most likely to need more affirmations from her husband. Don't we get my story, by the way?

[Ben Mandelker]

I love that this show. They're, like, angry that a licensed and an accomplished psychiatrist would treat their friends like patients. But then they all go every. Every year to the Caribbean to Do fake therapy with doctors who are licensed to do this.

[Heavenly]

This.

[Ben Mandelker]

And treat them like patients that they're not trained to do.

[Andy Cohen]

But they're like, no, I only want to be treated like a therapist patient by someone who has no idea what they're doing.

[Ben Mandelker]

I was like, what's wrong? Like, I. I get it. Like, of course I get it. Like, if you're friends with a therapist, you don't want to be. Like, you want. You just want a friend in that moment. You don't want a therapist.

[Andy Cohen]

I. Personal.

[Ben Mandelker]

But personally, I'm like, hey, you just got some free therapy. That's expensive.

[Ronnie Caram]

And that's also just not true. I mean, even if they say that, if you have a friend who's a therapist, people who are therapists have friends all the time, come up to them like, oh, my God, could you give me some advice? It's just like, if you have a friend who's a doctor or a dentist, and they're like, could you look at my molar? You know?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. But also, like, if you guys are having a stupid fight and you're clearly not communicating well, and there's someone who can give you the tools to help help you communicate better and, like, that way, the. The, like, you can have a productive conversation. Like, why is that necessarily a bad thing? Maybe for reality TV it's not such a good thing, But I just am like, Like, I understand why Mimi is like, I. It's hard for me not to jump in and. And to try to help because I can. Because that's what all the doctors would do. They would all jump in to help. I mean, look at Dr. Jackie being so kind as to potentially diagnose Brandy with a thyroid issue in her neck.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, I thought you were gonna say.

[Ben Mandelker]

Surprised they didn't bring up.

[Ronnie Caram]

I thought you were gonna say you loved that. They go from talking about deep throating dicks to like, let's talk about your child with autism.

[Andy Cohen]

I know.

[Ben Mandelker]

Then there's that pivot, too, let's not forget.

[Ronnie Caram]

But you're right about the Jackie being shady to Brandi at first and being like, do you have an enlarged thyroid? Like, hello, we're not gonna discuss this. So Mimi talks about being a mother of a child with autism and how difficult it is, and I thought that was a good story to bring to tv. And I thought they handled it. It really well. And then they're still talking about, like, therapizing your friends and stuff. And then we move on to Toya and Mimi butting heads, and Toya's like, yeah. For no reason. I don't even understand it.

[Toya]

And Heavenly's like, toya never owns anything, including your houses.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, because the whole thing was that at. At Heavenly's campaign event, and Mimi had told Brandy, be careful about aligning yourself with Toya because she's stupid.

[Andy Cohen]

Basically.

[Ben Mandelker]

Because she's stupid. This is not someone you should align yourself with.

[Ronnie Caram]

So Mimi's like, well, Toya, at your home, I never meant to disrespect your marriage. And when you turned away and said, hey, what else should I do? How should I talk to Eugene? I said, lean into softness and assertiveness. And she was. I didn't ask you anything. And she. She goes, yes, you did run the tape, as they say. And so I never wanted to disrespect your marriage. Okay? That's not what I do. I encourage marriage. I encourage it. When I walk into a park and I see a couple just roller skating past each other, I say, you should get married. I encourage marriage.

[Ben Mandelker]

I can't even walk into a restaurant without putting two ketchup bottles together. I just need to marry these ketchups. I can't have two half bottles. I encourage the marriage wherever I see it.

[Ronnie Caram]

Satoya's like, well, I could call it Marriage Poppins. Great movie. I encourage it.

[Andy Cohen]

Marriage puppets. I could think accountability. He's like, okay, but she's talking. She's like, yes, thank you, Andy. Let her talk.

[Heavenly]

Yeah, thank you. Thank you.

[Ronnie Caram]

Finally.

[Heavenly]

Let her talk.

[Ben Mandelker]

So meme is like, I'm just saying that me and Toya never started.

[Andy Cohen]

We never had a good foundation.

[Ben Mandelker]

There was never a conversation to say, okay, this is who I am. I still don't know who Toya is. I don't know where she lives. She's had a lot of houses. And I'm not saying that I don't want to know. It's just that we don't have a foundation in order to cultivate a relationship. Except for a very, very cringy moment.

[Andy Cohen]

Oh, so cringey. God. See, look, she's a cringer.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, but you know what? The one thing she said was true is that she still doesn't know who I am. But she just sat here. Wait, no, I don't. But you're a liar. And she's like, when we. When we tell her who she should align herself with, that's the crazy part. And she goes, no, but it's the behavior. And she goes, oh, well, I'm sorry. I was talking. I let you speak. Now can I speak? She's like, no, you did not. You over. Andy has said it over and over. You have talked over multiple times. Toya. Okay, are you done now? I am not done. Okay, well, you were done, but I'm not done now. Okay, well, now you want to chime in. But you just said you were done. I did not say I was. You did. You just interrupted me denying that I was being cut off. Toya, just. So you're done now, right? No, he's talking.

[Andy Cohen]

He's all talking.

[Ronnie Caram]

So funny.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's so funny. Mimi's like, brandy, I apologize for my delivery that day. And Brady's like, and I appreciate that because that's. It was the, the delivery that triggered me. And she goes, yes.

[Andy Cohen]

And so.

[Ben Mandelker]

And she goes, well, we've already had

[Andy Cohen]

a conversation, so who's talking? Over and out. Okay. It's great. All right.

[Toya]

That was wonderful.

[Andy Cohen]

Okay. Potato peeler on Twitter said, I realize I really respect Dr. Mimi for showing the hard parts of raising a child that's neurodivergent.

[Ben Mandelker]

So now we get more into this, this. And, you know, and Mimi's talking about how you just never get a break. And my heart really kind of broke for her because I, I do feel like that is a. That is a. That is a difficult part of her journey that she's on is that it's. It's like, you know, like you sort of. I think with a lot of parents, they have the feeling of. I think you. I imagine a lot of parents, they never truly get a break anyway. But there's a sense that as the kids get older, they can be more independent and self sufficient. And so knowing that this is going to be something she's going to deal with the rest of her life is. That's a, That's a tough one for her. And we've seen that. It's. It's like a specifically a very unique challenge that they have to deal with with little Stevie. So it's a. I, I found that every time that she and Steve Sr. Have talked about this, I found it to be, like, really fascinating and really interesting. And so it continued with this moment here.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. So they're telling her, oh my gosh, you did. You're doing such a great job. And they, you know, compliment her on, you know, her story, basically how she handled it on the show. And Andy says, you know, some of you felt Mimi was guarded, and then in Jamaica, she opened up and I'm curious what went through your mind. And Toya gives her credit. You know, she's like, I think Mimi is a strong woman and a strong mother. And you know God, she's right when she says God would not put anything on your plate that you can't bear. And I loved your story. You're a great mom. You're still a bitch, though.

[Andy Cohen]

God. God will never give you anything that you can't handle. Which makes me question, how big is Steve's dick? Oh, God, we're back. Yes. Finally, a dick that I want to imagine. Steve Sanders.

[Ronnie Caram]

So they agree that there's a path forward for Mimi and Toya. And everyone's like, oh, my God, this is so beautiful. Okay, so now the men are coming to the reunion, and we see them arriving back backstage, and they're joking with Steve, like, oh, Steve, you nervous?

[Ben Mandelker]

LV wearing lv. Steve with his lv.

[Ronnie Caram]

And Damon's like, you know what? Daddy doesn't want to see you guys argue, but I understand the anger. And Steve's like, well, there is some level of accountability we all need to take today.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Cecil's like, well, if Steve got to the event and didn't know he needed a ticket. And Steve was like, never. So said. They never said it to me once. And Cecil's like, and I will say this, as someone with a basement bar, I'm not saying what's right or wrong, but I will say this. We have to do better at communicating what's going on, says Cecil, who sat there silently while Simone, you know, had to deal with her spoiled children. So Steve is like, it's like, well, there wasn't a lot of inclusion. Eugene's like, well, if you're trying to include people and they're pushing back, then you just move on and you make a good event. Like, well, if you're trying to include people, then you don't charge them tickets on top of the table, which is. Which means that they had a ticket purchase ahead of time. Because we had a whole thing last week where we were actually on Eugene's side until we discovered that the norm is that if someone buys you a table and invites you to sit at a table that they bought, you don't have to buy a ticket. So Eugene was 100 in the wrong in this situation.

[Ronnie Caram]

And Steve is like, well, you tried to exclude us when it comes to tickets, but it was never said that we needed to buy a ticket.

[Ben Mandelker]

It.

[Ronnie Caram]

Okay. And Eugene's like, well, if you didn't like the way it was ran and you were so, you know, why were you even in? Why were you even there? Why. Why did you even come? Because It's a charity, and it's a season finale party. Eugene.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

You don't get to get. Keep that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, exactly. He is saying that he didn't want to throw in $2,500 to put on the event because he didn't. Because he clearly didn't think it was being managed properly or didn't. Or felt it was rude to say, okay, you are obligated to throw in an equal share of money, even though Mimi was not given any say whatsoever in how the thing is organized. But that's different than going and saying, I'm gonna. I'm gonna donate to the event. It's like two different concepts there, right?

[Ronnie Caram]

So he's like, well, I wasn't there to support you. I was there to support the cause. And he's like, then buy a ticket. And he goes, but I did. I did buy a ticket. And he goes, okay, well, then why are we having this argument, Steve? Because you're justifying bad behavior. And Steve's like, well, you justify bad behavior every single day with Toya.

[Heavenly]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

And Eugene goes, bye, bye. Eugene is Eugene's house.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wy is like, yeah, I feel like, you know, it's not a classy thing to. To. I don't think what Steve said was very classy. I also don't think it was wrong, but it was not classy. Probably not something you should say. But I also can't ignore the fact that in, like, I was sort of like. Like, he's kind of right about that, you know?

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, he was right. And you're. You're right. Normally they don't do. That's like, a rule. Right. You don't say something about the other person's wife. But Eugene has spent the whole season coming at daddy for stuff that Heavenly said. So I don't know. I'm going to allow it on this one.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm going to allow it, too. I was like. I was like, ooh, I feel like I shouldn't allow it, but I'm going to allow it. Yeah, I'm going to allow it.

[Ronnie Caram]

And he goes, don't say that about my wife. And Steve says, when the. Did I stutter? And he goes, you mentioned my wife. And he goes, oh, so you want to cut. You're gonna have that energy, then keep it. And I keep cursing.

[Ben Mandelker]

And I kind of felt like, you know, there was part of me that, like, again, I kind of wanted to have Eugene side, because what I saw was, like, a regression to high school where the jock is, like, bullying the nerd you know, because Eugene is basically a big old nerd. He's like, He's a brainiac. He loves his comic books. He loves his video games. He's just, like, an adorable nerd. And Steve is an NFL player. And I was like, don't beat up on our sweet Eugene. He's a nerd. He got. He got made fun of. But then I was like, like. But you know what, though? Steve's, I think, kind of right in this one.

[Ronnie Caram]

So Eugene started it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

So Steve's like, you want to be one of the women? Do you? Do you want to be one of the women? Because you're acting like one. And I don't care how your head or how you move your head or smack your lips, it does not change the fact that you were trying to ambush me at an event after we had a conversation.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, no, I, I, I do always hate when guys, like, use. You're acting like a woman. That's like, the ultimate insult is to act like a woman. I'm like, you should be so lucky. You should be so lucky to act like a woman.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. Shows there. That is a common thing where it's like, you're not a housewife.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. I think that's. I think that there's actually so much, like, loaded misogyny in that. I really hate when guys. Guys say that, like, that's the ultimate insult.

[Heavenly]

You're acting like a woman.

[Toya]

But.

[Ben Mandelker]

So I did not like that. But again, I'm on Steve's side. So Eugene's like, well, if you feel ambushed, I'm sorry. You should pay for a ticket. And Curtis is like, steve, Steve, that dude isn't going to mean anything. Okay.

[Ronnie Caram]

I mean, look, I'm still on the fence about this because we've. We talked already about how charities work. If someone buys the table, then that's it. You don't have to buy a ticket. But has Jackie said. Has Jackie confirmed that she did, in fact buy a table of this many tickets and this is who she wants? Or are they thinking that that's include in the $2,500? Or, like, what is it? It's still. I'm still unclear. And I think that even if you. If you go to a charity event, you didn't give the 2500, and they're like, well, you still need a ticket. You should just say, okay, well, I thought I. It was the table, but whatever. Here's. Here's the ticket money. It's $300 for two.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

I think it's so I still think that Steve should have just bought the fucking ticket, right?

[Ben Mandelker]

And he did.

[Andy Cohen]

He. He.

[Ben Mandelker]

He did have, like, a little bit of a diva moment about it. But I also think he should have been like, look, I'm. I'm like, jackie got my ticket because I'm at our table. Like, I don't know. I felt like there was. There was a lot of stupidity going on. And, you know, and also the other thing is, this too is like, Toya and Eugene have been unhelpful with this med gal in the past, and suddenly they're, like, in control of it. And I'm not totally sure they know exactly what they're doing, to be fair. And so when Eugene's like, well, you've got to buy a ticket, it's like, well, well, this is your first time at the rodeo. And I don't know, it feels like he doesn't really know what's going on.

[Ronnie Caram]

I wish they had just called Jackie over and said, jackie, he's saying that he's a part of your table. And then that would have solved it, but it's just like, the guys are doing the housewives job. They're, like, fighting with each other because they're fighting a proxy war between the women, and it's never gonna work out well for either one of you. So now we go to Heavenly. Heavenly went from filling cavities to campaigning to fill congressional seat. Wow. I'm Andy Cohen, and I approve this package.

[Andy Cohen]

And by package, I mean whatever Steve Sanders is carrying between his legs. All right, well, we have a lot to talk about. First, I want to play a little bit. A little game. I'm gonna ask some rapid fire questions about Heavenly, the candidate. So yay or nay? Heavenly would pass a background check.

[Ben Mandelker]

So everyone says yay because they're like.

[Heavenly]

And she's like, well, I'm a professional, so I'd have to.

[Ben Mandelker]

Which is just funny because again, to your point at the beginning of the episode, like, yes, of course she has a past background check. She is a, like, a medical professional. But I do love, like, the, like, there's just something to me about going on reality tv, which I think, like, chips away at the professional thing a little bit for anyone. You know, I'm like, why are you on this show?

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, especially Heavenly. Oh, my God. All the stuff they. They. They could show, the opponent could show. So Tori won't answer, and quad's like,

[Toya]

just say yay, girl.

[Ronnie Caram]

Jesus. And she goes, okay. All right.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yay.

[Ronnie Caram]

Okay. Yay or nay? I would trust Heavenly with the nuclear Codes. And everyone in America said no at the same time, like, my walls shook.

[Andy Cohen]

All right, Congress people do not have the nuclear codes, though, so don't worry about that.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Heavenly goes, well, absolutely not.

[Heavenly]

Toya didn't know that, though.

[Andy Cohen]

And it's like, yay, you're nay. Heavenly needs a stylist. Not necessarily a campaign question, but sure, does she need a stylist?

[Ben Mandelker]

And they're all like, yay.

[Toya]

It's like, well, Jackie takes me shopping, but, you know, it's too expensive. You know, we have to bring that down, Jackie. Which is why I am. I am stooping for Talbots having sales.

[Ronnie Caram]

If you.

[Toya]

If you bring Heavenly into office, Talbots and Chico's will have sales.

[Andy Cohen]

Yay or nay, Heavenly's campaign has a higher chance of success than Heavenly's beauty supply.

[Ben Mandelker]

And they're like, yes, well, I didn't

[Heavenly]

even want a beauty supply store in the first place.

[Ronnie Caram]

What happened to the beauty supply store? Did we know that? Tanked.

[Ben Mandelker]

I totally forgot about that. But, yeah, I guess that's done.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, my God. What's a Laura doing? What is she doing?

[Ben Mandelker]

What is she doing, by the way? They'll be like, ALORA Just turned 30. I was like, how does that happen on these shows?

[Ronnie Caram]

I know Elora just had her first grandchild. It's like, what? How'd that happen?

[Andy Cohen]

Yay. Heavenly tells the truth about our life.

[Ben Mandelker]

And they're like, nash, no, I absolutely do.

[Andy Cohen]

It's like, Heavenly. Only a lot of viewers were concerned when you revealed Damon Jr's arrest. Can you give us an update?

[Ben Mandelker]

So Heavenly gets very choked up and says that our son had a mental health emergency and they know where he is, but they haven't actively seen him. And there's a lot she wants to say, but it's his story to tell, so she's not going to put it out there. But she's. She would never put her family on blast. It's just that it was already out there in the news. And, you know, she's. And she basically says she called Mimi for help and that Mimi helped a lot. And she's tried to do everything for her children. She's put them through private schools. She's tried to give back as much as she could. And she says that an epidemic in the nation is mental health and that people like, need. Like that needs to be treated. And then we see Daddy back, like, in the. In the green room, watching and agreeing that that's, like, definitely an issue. And that if it weren't for the fact that he Works in emergency rooms and knows people on the police or. And around that, you know, then dame that what's his face, Damon Jr. Would have wound up up getting sort of put into the system and gone down a different path.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, what they do is they put people in mental health with mental health issues in jail rather than giving them treatment. Well, to be fair, we also put them on Bravo. So pat myself on the back there. Pat myself on the back.

[Andy Cohen]

And there's that, too. Although the Bachelorette is giving us a good run for the money. Okay, not so happy about that.

[Ronnie Caram]

I love the phrasing of this question.

[Ben Mandelker]

Question.

[Ronnie Caram]

Libra from isn't just another word for book. Says Heavenly had to look up on the damn Internet to find out about junior's arrest. Damon should have told her ass first.

[Heavenly]

Well, I don't talk about everything. There are certain things I cannot handle, and there are certain things that he cannot handle. And that's the nature of our relationship. And everybody's relationship is different. So what I say to Libra is a different name for a book is your mama.

[Ronnie Caram]

And just so you know, I don't wake up during filming and decide, oh, I'm gonna put my family on blast. Heavenly shit happens spontaneously.

[Toya]

And she goes, well, the difference between you and I, though, is my husband's too good to me.

[Ronnie Caram]

And she goes, oh, really? My husband is too good to me too. And I've been here longer. I've been with Cecil much longer than you've been with Damon.

[Toya]

She goes, well, every situation's different.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, we got married because we chose to, not because I was pregnant. Damn. Okay.

[Andy Cohen]

Wow, wow, wow. Who would vote for Heavenly today?

[Ronnie Caram]

Are we not allowed to be. Are we not allowed to get married because we're pregnant now? I mean, geez, what kind of diss is that?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, so isn't that a better excuse

[Ronnie Caram]

than falling for Cecil?

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, didn't Simone just also kind of like. Like, wasn't she sort of edging towards shading quad for having a baby without getting married?

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, God, I don't know.

[Ben Mandelker]

So, everyone. So.

[Andy Cohen]

So anyway, Toya's like, okay, we have enough lies. I'm telling you. I just. I can't think of another one. I'm sorry. All right, well, I'm looking forward to seeing what happens with your campaign. AKA I'm excited to see you back next season. Okay, so Dr. Simone, Dr. Heavenly were in a good place when they scrub it in for 12. But weaponized husbands and accusations of unhinged behavior at the table but for friendship altered the created Friendship altering feud. Watch.

[Ben Mandelker]

So now we're getting into Simone versus Heavenly.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yes. And so she. Simone is saying, well, it's not about even needing support. It's about what's right is right and what's wrong is wrong. And after you saw the footage, Jackie, and after the tape was rolled, for anybody sitting to continue a narrative that just wasn't true, to stand behind a false allegation means that I have to take another look at you and your morals and your character. And Jackie's like, well, I really want Simone, if she will today, to tell me what I could have said that would have made it right. Because I was humping the fence, if you want to know the truth. And Andy's like, yeah, that was the problem. I think if you wanted to say something that she wouldn't get mad of you, you should. Or mad at you should have said, said, no, Heavenly did not push Simone. That's it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's not like a. It's not like a deep puzzle.

[Ben Mandelker]

Right? And he's like, did. Now that you've seen it, do you think that Simone is a physical threat to Heavenly? And Jackie's like, no, Simone is not a physical threat to anybody. And.

[Ronnie Caram]

But I am Heavenly. Heavenly. Who's running for office?

[Toya]

I am.

[Andy Cohen]

So why did you say that? And I asked you backstage and you said, absolutely not. She was not a physical threat. So then why not say that again?

[Ben Mandelker]

I was trying to be good to good friend to both parties.

[Andy Cohen]

But it's not the first time, though, that there's no wedge in your friendship. And the wedge always seems to be heavenly.

[Toya]

I'm not trying to be a wedge, Andy. I don't even like that salad. Iceberg lettuce is bullshit, but I promise I'm not trying to be a wedge.

[Ronnie Caram]

And he's like, well, I'm really hoping that we can resolve this. And you, Simone. And Simone's like, well, I don't think there is a resolution when you're still lying on me.

[Ben Mandelker]

Me.

[Heavenly]

I think everybody has their own truth.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Simone is like, well, if your

[Andy Cohen]

mind has you that delusional that you think that somebody hit or pushed you,

[Ben Mandelker]

but you're on hinge, but you've got

[Andy Cohen]

to sit with a psychiatrist. Mimi is here, and she is sitting close to her for a reason. I never had another black woman call me unhinged, aggressive, none of that.

[Ben Mandelker]

And he's like, yeah, I think it's

[Andy Cohen]

about the physicality is the thing.

[Ben Mandelker]

And she's, yes, but to allege that I pushed her, which by the way. I totally agree with Simone. She did not push her. She removed. She removed Heavenly's arm, which, if anything, she could spit as you were violating my space because you were touching me and I was. I was removing myself from that situation or deescalating that, if anything, Simone is the one who really has the case of anything, which really. There's nothing there that happened. They were just posing for a photo. But any. Either way have. I love that heavily is like, well,

[Heavenly]

you shouldn't touch anyone.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm like, you were the one who

[Andy Cohen]

had your arm draped on. On.

[Heavenly]

On Simone without her per.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

And she's like, well, you touched me and you shouldn't have touched me.

[Toya]

No, you grabbed my arm.

[Ronnie Caram]

And she's like, oh, my God, this girl is delusional. So Andy's like, back it up, back it up. Okay. You heard Jackie say, no uncertain terms. Did she ever believe that you were physically aggressive before she saw the footage? And after she saw the footage, she goes, well, if she had said that when she was talking to you, we wouldn't be having this discussion. But now she's saying it because she has no choice. And she's like, well, Andy. Andy, though, do you remember what I said to you in the dressing room before we got on? Yes. He just said that in the dressing room. You said that it wasn't physical. So why don't you bring that to the stage? Oh, Jackie, she's just like, just admit that I said something backstage when it didn't matter. So Simone's like, can you imagine at the hospital?

[Toya]

And Heavenly goes, well, do you act like this at the hospital?

[Andy Cohen]

It doesn't matter. Do you act like that on your double office?

[Heavenly]

I do not.

[Andy Cohen]

Shut up. Okay, let's stop.

[Paige Desorbo]

Stop.

[Andy Cohen]

Let them speak. Okay, okay, Be quiet. Here you are running for a congressional seat that has. And nothing has changed.

[Heavenly]

I tell the truth every single time.

[Andy Cohen]

So Simone's like, quad hasn't been able to clean up nothing. She hasn't been able to alter nothing about you.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Quad's just laughing like it's true.

[Heavenly]

I can't fix Heavenly for the campaign trail. It's a cumbersome job.

[Ronnie Caram]

But I do believe that Heavenly acts like this in the dental office. 100%. I believe that. Heavenly's like, well, hello.

[Toya]

Welcome in. I'm so glad to see you. Have a seat right here. What has it been, a year? It's been a year since I've said. It's supposed to be six months, but it's a year. You're here now, and that's all the. Show me your teeth. You still haven't floss. I told you to floss. I told her, bitch.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, she gets.

[Ronnie Caram]

You know, she gets all heavenly in the dental chair. Mm.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Jackie is like, simone, this is important to me today. This is not a show. We've been through a lot for 30 years, okay? There were the vibrators, there were the scrubs, There were my wicked glasses. And I've always felt like you were safe, and I was.

[Ronnie Caram]

I'm sorry. Don't forget, fit is the new it. Go ahead.

[Ben Mandelker]

It is the new it. Lemon squeezes. So today, I want this about you. And I. I don't care what they're saying right now. I need to know from you that if I have let you down and betrayed you, I want to fix it.

[Andy Cohen]

She goes, so you come in to me that night at Angels event, and you are the person most in the group that can get me down to

[Ben Mandelker]

earth when I am angry.

[Heavenly]

Me too. I can do. She does that for me too.

[Andy Cohen]

And you know that night you came to me trying to settle me down, and I kept going because I knew exactly what I was doing.

[Ronnie Caram]

Going.

[Andy Cohen]

People come for me. And I was like, I'm clocked in, baby. I stay clocked in, ready to go if you come for me.

[Ronnie Caram]

And I came to who?

[Ben Mandelker]

You?

[Ronnie Caram]

Instead of Heavenly, You. I came to you. And she's like, yeah, but you came to me. And then when we got to floor, okay? So meanwhile, angel is like, excuse me, Simone, you were acting. She's like, pointing out, like, hello, that party was a mess. It was my party, and it was a mess, and you were acting crazy at that party. But she kind of gets drowned out.

[Ben Mandelker]

The reason why she says that is because Simone is really upset because then when they went to their trip to the Florida panhandle, that Jackie went over to Simone and was like, you really snapped. You really snapped. And Simone was upset because she's like, everyone was snapping, okay? And like, you. You're singled me out, as if I'm the only one who did it. And Heavenly's like, like, yeah, but. And Heaven's like, well, we all snap,

[Heavenly]

but she was just talking about you.

[Ben Mandelker]

And this is what Angel's like, yeah, but by the way, yes, we all snap, but you were really snapping. Okay, let's, like, we can't lose the fact that you were off the handle or flying off the handle.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. And she's like, no, I stopped snapping when people. I'll stop snapping when people stop coming for me. And quad's like, wait a minute. Are you talking to Jackie or what are we talking about now? So now Jackie and Toya switch spots so Jackie can sit with Simone. She walks over there, and she's like, this is about me and you. I don't want to hear all of them. And she's like, yeah, but my point is, in Florida, you are talking to me about the fact that I snapped off as if I was the only person who snapped. And she goes, no, I had the same conversation about snapping with Heavenly. Okay?

[Toya]

And Heavenly's like, oh, she won't hold herself accountable. You know, I just couldn't take it. I removed myself from the situation because she touched my arm. And they fought for less than that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Heavenly. This is such a. This is such a failing argument from Heavenly. It really is just, like.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's really bad.

[Ben Mandelker]

And the fact that she's still, like, the footage is there. The fact that she is still going hard about it, it is actually bad. Like, you know, Simone is a doctor, and it also kind of.

[Ronnie Caram]

It.

[Ben Mandelker]

I think it actually undermines people who have valid claims of that happening, I think. You know, like, I. I don't think it's right. So Jackie is like. She's like, well, I wasn't isolating you. I was talking to you. So when then, Simone, when I come to you, it's typical. You and I. We zone out on everyone else, but this time it hurts.

[Andy Cohen]

She goes, but Andy asked you a simple question.

[Ben Mandelker]

He did. And I answered it again. I answered it again based on the conversation that we'd had prior to even going to New York. And the conversation we had was you saying this.

[Andy Cohen]

But the question has nothing to do about Unhinged. He said, simone, push Heavenly, or is Heavenly making it up? And you said, well, I wasn't there. And he said, but you saw the footage.

[Ben Mandelker]

And that note, she basically going through it again about why she's upset with Jackie.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. And she's like, you know, I'm watching you as my friend. You're supposed to represent me. And you know what happens if I were to hit or push or anything, and a real case comes out of that? Like, I have to answer with hospital privileges. I have to answer it with a malpractice. And she's like, okay, you're correct. And she goes, so if you tell the truth to me and you tell her the truth together, like, are we never going to end up back together? She says, we are never going to end up back together. You can take my word for it. And she's like, simone, and she's like, nope, can't move forward. Don't want to. Can't do it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Dun, dun, dun. Until next episode when everything will be fine. Until next episode. When they hug and they get through to each other.

[Ronnie Caram]

Usually takes a year or so. So she's usually not like a Same reunion kind of forgiver. She needs, like a year to get over.

[Ben Mandelker]

I hate when they fight, though. I actually really hate.

[Ronnie Caram]

I hate it. I hate when they fight. And the thing is, like, I get it, you know, like, she's trying to be friends to Heavenly, but this is not the way to do it. And when. And Heavenly's wrong all the time. I mean, Heavenly is my favorite person on this cast, but she's wrong 80% of the time. And, you know, you have to. If you're going to be friends with someone like that, you have to be like. Like, no, you're wrong. You have to be okay saying that. Because Heavenly, I think, is okay taking it. She's used to being told she's wrong. She's wrong all the time.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I think. And I don't think that Jackie should have played Switzerland in that moment. I think she's just so used to doing it. You know, I get it because I often will. Will do that as well. I will often in a case. A situation where I'm like, I just don't want to be part of this. I'll take to Switzerland. And that's probably what Jackie was doing. She probably was like, you know what? I don't want to get inserted into this mess. And then in her attempt to not be in the mess, she might end up directly in the. In the center of it.

[Ronnie Caram]

You know, it seems like she is saying, like, Simone, your behavior was also crazy at that party. Like, you guys had to be physically separated. It's not like Simone was. Because the only clip they really show is Simone just going, please take your hand off of my arm. That's all they show. And it doesn't really look that wild, but the episode got wild. And so I think Jackie's looking at that and saying, yeah, but your behavior that night wasn't professional. So, like, I don't like, you were acting unprofessional that night. But the thing is, is that the physical component is a big thing. When you accuse somebody of that and they didn't do it, that's a huge difference. So Jackie. Yeah, Jackie's just. Jackie's just damn wrong for that.

[Ben Mandelker]

I think Jackie messed up. I think Heavenly was wrong. I also think that, yes, like, the the, the Simone is someone has abs. Every right to be mad at Jackie. I would not end a friendship over it because she is also focusing on what a coulda shouldas that have not happened. So yes, it's like, it's, it's, it's a dangerous accusation. That being said, it's. Everyone can see that Simone did not get physical. Everything is okay. I just wouldn't, I, I, I think I would hold my friend's feet to the fire, express dissatisfaction. But like cutting off a 30 year friendship I think is really extreme. Unless this is. There's more brewing between the two of them than we know.

[Ronnie Caram]

So I'm sure you know what Tom's gonna do. It's gonna tell you. It's gonna tell you. Time will tell. So. I don't know. I don't have any idea. But I need Jackie to be confronted about the thyroid comment. What were the other things missing from this?

[Ben Mandelker]

The glasses. The, the wicked glasses did kind of drive me nuts. And then, and that's. I think that's it. The PT Cruiser, maybe? Yeah. I don't know.

[Ronnie Caram]

I guess.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, well, next week, Next week to be the Steve Sanders show that he's, he's had. He's been lining up the Internet with the clips that they've been showing of him telling Eugene that Eugene should be called Eugene Harris said of. Or Eugene Bush, I should say Dr. Eugene Bush. Eugene Bush.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

We'll look forward to that. In the meantime, we'll see all of you at crappy hour. Thanks everyone for being here. We love you all so much. We'll talk to you on the next episode.

[Ronnie Caram]

Bye.

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