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Ben Mandelker
You guys, I have some legendary news for you. Twenty years after its debut, the HBO original comedy series the Comeback is finally back. I've always loved how the show skewers Hollywood, and seeing Lisa Kudrow return as the iconic Valerie Cherish is exactly what we need right now.
Janet
This season picks up over a decade later. Valerie is finally starring in a new show. But here's the twist. It's being written by AI she's still navigating the chaos in the industry and chasing those big dreams with that same Valerie Cherish energy we adore.
Ben Mandelker
If you're watching this season, and you really should be, by the way, you've got to check out the official Comeback. Podcast host Evan Ross Katz is joined by Lisa Kudrow and Michael Patrick King to unpack every episode to dive into the show's origins and why Valerie is still such a relatable, resilient character after two decades.
Janet
You'll also hear from cast members like Laura Silverman and Ella Stiller, plus comedy powerhouses like Abby Jacobson and John Early. For anyone who loves a behind the scenes look at how iconic TV is made, this is a must. Listen.
Ben Mandelker
Stream the HBO original series the Comeback on HBO max Sundays at 10:30pm and watch the Comeback podcast on HBO Max. Or listen wherever you get your podcasts. Who cares what happens when there's so much that happens? Hello and welcome to Watch Our Crap Ends, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker. Joining me today is my very own Sweetie, Honey Boo Boo. Ronnie Caram. How are you?
Janet
Well, hello Banoons. How's everything going?
Ben Mandelker
Everything is grand. Thanks to everyone who joined us yesterday on Amazon Live where I personally had the best time ever doing puppetry with steamers. And then afterwards on Crappy Hour, we had a lot of fun discussion and did you see that we already have an update on one of the things that we talked about, which is Crazy, huh? Yeah. We speculated about whether or not Margaret Joseph's would be coming back to New Jersey. Seeing given that she is now shooting something for Amazon, we thought, we don't think she's going to come back. And then today she dropped the news. All right, everyone had a lot of talks with Andy and with the network and I've decided it's time for me to move on from their Housewives had a great time. I'm already here on my next project. Okay. Jody is under a palm tree. Other Jody's under a different palm tree. And Joe is somewhere looking for his seafoam polo. Shit. So I'm no longer going to be part of Real Housewives of New Jersey. But I want to thank NBCU and Andy Cohen and that dumb bitch Teresa Giudice for making my life hell the past eight years of my life. And of course we gotta thank Serena and Tenafly for giving me all the news that I needed to get by in New Jersey for nearly an entire decade on that TV show.
Janet
I just like to say thank you to Andy Cohen for, you know, choosing a stalker with a stalker husband who looks like an eggplant over me. Thank you so much. That felt great. I am glad that you have chosen gel bait over Margaret Joseph's. So good luck, you losers. Yeah, I was saying on the on the show last night, do not make them choose between you and Teresa. That's just never going to work and it never works on these shows and it never does. What happened? Damn it, Marge, I love you. Don't do this to us.
Ben Mandelker
I'm really sad to lose Margaret on that show. I think that she ushered in the great era of Real Housewives in New Jersey. I think like I never really loved the show as much as I did as when she was on it. I enjoyed it in its like its first pre jail run. I enjoyed it, but I never loved it. And then it was in the post jail run when she was there and we had this great cast that I really, really grew to love New Jersey. So we'll see what happens with the new look New Jersey if it ever arrives. But I think this is a big loss, personally.
Janet
Yeah, what a bummer.
Ben Mandelker
I know, it's all I wanted was Margaret to last longer.
Janet
Oh well, what a bummer. Okay, well today someone else who's about to make someone make a choice and lose their job. Ellie on Below Deck Down Under Season 4, Episode 8 Call Me By My Name.
Ben Mandelker
So Eddie, Mike and Jenna, they are still in the vans and Jenna has just told off Eddie. Because Eddie is trying to repair his image with her after he had texted Alicia that he would drop Jenna in a second to be an alien with Alicia. And Jenna's like, I'm nobody sucking place.
Janet
So on your first fucking day, how does somebody fucking do that? I'm serious. And this is where I'm at. You burn your bridges with me. Your bridges are burned with me.
Ben Mandelker
So they get back to the yacht, and Joao. Joao's like, laying on this, like, romance offense on Daisy. He's like, let me help you out of the van, and I'm going to kiss your hand like the Prince Charming that I am.
Janet
I'm a gentleman now. So he helps her out. She's like, oh, well, thank you very much. It's just like watching Bridgerton, really.
Ben Mandelker
Yeah.
Janet
So then Eddie's walking with Alicia, and he's like, I really it with Jenna. She's like, mate, did you ever think you ever had it? Do you know what? If you think you it with Jenna, the last person you should immediately walk to for solace in front of Jenna is Alicia, you dumbass. Since you kind of it with Jenna over Alicia. And he's like, wow, thanks for that. Thanks. Guess I just never had. Seriously never felt shorter. I've never felt shorter.
Ben Mandelker
I feel so short. So then Jenna, Daisy and Joao are talking, and Jenna tells Daisy that she's like, yeah, I went off on Eddie. I'm nobody's second option, so I don't know where I'm gonna go from here. I'm like, you go nowhere, and that's where you've been best, by the way. You guys, like, shared, like, a kiss with this uncharismatic, mustachioed dud. And I think it's just time to move on and, like, you know, get back to the primary goal, which is thinking that you might have a chance of ascending on the social ladder by falling in love with a guest that comes onto the show.
Janet
Well, I think her other choice is Ben, isn't it?
Ben Mandelker
It's like, oh, yeah, there's Ben, too.
Janet
Lots of bad choices on Jenna's grim
Ben Mandelker
future, grim options for her. It truly is.
Janet
So Ben is lying down the crew mess, and Jenna joins him and asks how he's feeling. And he's like, I'm tired. She's like, we're all tired.
Ben Mandelker
Jesus.
Janet
So then Joa text Daisy, and he's like, would you like a glass of red zinfandel?
Ben Mandelker
And she's like, I'm about to call. Turn in next time. So now people go to sleep and Eddie is says that the hot tub is cold. And we go back to Jenna and Ben and Ben. Jen. Jenna's like trying to tie her dress. He's like, would you like me to dye that for you, sugar paddles? And she's like, yeah, if my boobs drop, I apologize. Well, you would not have to apologize for that. Is that good? Do you like how I tied it on you, honey lumps?
Janet
Let me read your tattoo here. Therefore I am God's masterpiece. The fuck does that mean? She's like, I was a really rebellious kid. Is that a rebellious kid where you come from? God loves me. Can I get a tattoo? I wanted to say God loves me. Oh my God. I'm gonna really give a fuck you to the world. Could you put Jesus saves with a little fish on my arm? Fuck you, Mom. Sucker.
Ben Mandelker
One of my favorite themes on Below deck are the people who are like big rebels and then they, they come and join the show or they come to go into the yachting industry. Because I think like the yachting industry is, is an extension of the rebellion. Like, I'm not going to do a standard job. I'm going to be a rebel. I'm going to go into yachting. But it's just kind of like saying, I'm such a rebel that I've decided to become a servant for someone who's wealthy.
Janet
I'm a rebel. Get me a broom.
Ben Mandelker
I would like to insert myself into a traditional hierarchy, please.
Janet
I'm gonna be a rebel and I'm gonna choose a career where I say please and thank you to everything that's ever said to me. God damn it. Jesus saves.
Ben Mandelker
It's just so funny. It happens every year. There's always someone who's like and declares himself a rebel. And it's like you are sweeping up after a wealthy person, like vomited into their champagne glass and poured it onto the teak.
Janet
You're going to be pulling a liner off of a wall in about five minutes. Okay, Re.
Ben Mandelker
I'm a rebel.
Janet
It's all funny. I think it's so funny that they call them liners.
Ben Mandelker
I know. Well, cuz that was some rebel who came up with that slang. But it takes an even bigger rebel to say, hey, take that panty liner off the wall and put it in the trash, rebel.
Janet
So Eddie comes in and Jenna is asking Ben if he was a, if he was a rebel or if he was a nerd. And he's like, I was clever. I was captain of chess and stuff like that. So Eddie comes by and he Touches her head. And then he just stands there kind of awkwardly by his bedroom door, looking at her. And she's like, what. What are you not understanding? Am I, like, supposed to go in there and comfort you? Because you're pouting, you know, Shut up. Get back in there, Eddie. Loser. And then he doesn't seem like a mean person or anything, but, gosh, it's like, Eddie's just not used to having chances with girls, I don't think. And, yeah, he saw himself with two chances, and he just. You can't choose both doors, Eddie.
Ben Mandelker
Okay, yeah, he's, like, not charismatic enough to be our hero and he's not vile enough to be our villain. He's just sort of very like this milk toasty guy who got himself into a bad situation with two women. And it's just like, just go to sleep and do something with the mediocre
Janet
appetizer tray that you're just like, am I hungry enough to eat that? I really don't want another tuna tartar. And you just. Don't just go away. Okay.
Ben Mandelker
Yeah. You know what it is? He's like the. He's like the tray of crudites that's on this. The table that someone brought with a little, you know, like sour cream, like an onion dip in the center. Not even that. It's like that from, like the.
Janet
From the store. That still got their.
Ben Mandelker
From the store.
Janet
The plastic off of it.
Ben Mandelker
Yeah. And it's like, not bad per se, but it's just not. Just like. Just not interesting. You're gonna go for almost anything before that, but eventually, like, I guess I'll have it. It's like, it's okay if you dip this cherry tomato in that dip, it's like passable.
Janet
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Ben Mandelker
Since when did Jenna become his number one? Since he is just mad that he messed it up and that he looks like a bad guy and that one of his options is close to him. Like he never showed any of this energy towards her the entire season and then out of nowhere, now that she said, says you can't have me, he's now, you know, pining for her. It's just the scarcity thing. It's like when, when there's like a thing you're thinking about getting On Amazon or something. And it's just like in your cart for weeks and weeks and weeks. You're like, maybe I'll get it, maybe I won't. And then one day it's like sold out. And it's like, next delivery orders in four months. And like, and then he like, scour the Internet to find it. Like, I wanted that thing so badly. I need it right now.
Janet
That's why TEMU is like, only one left. Only one left notification. There's only one left of that thing in your card. If you don't order it, you're not going to get it. My gosh, maybe I do need that caftan with a dolphin on it. Oh, better go over there and order it really quickly. It's like, I never wanted. I didn't. I never craved eggs until they became like $10. And I was like, do I need eggs? So Ben, of course giving total stereotypical Ben advice is like, a woman wouldn't say no unless you had a chance. No means yes. We're talking about women in 2026. Wow. I know of you to say, call her sugar tits, slap her on the ass and throw her over your back, mate.
Ben Mandelker
Finally, I'm here for work. And it's complicated enough and it comes with a enough strife. And love triangles are a terrible idea. And I'm just gonna try to stay well away from it because I am someone who spent $50,000 on a wedding that he never had. I'm sensitive now.
Janet
Eddie's like, okay, well, good talk. Thanks for the advice. To not take no for an answer.
Ben Mandelker
That's great.
Janet
I'll call you from prison. Okay, thanks. So then we go to Joao and Ellie sitting on the couch drinking wine, and she brings him chocolate. And she's like, oh, here's some chocolate.
Ben Mandelker
It is just me.
Janet
Nice, nice, sweet, sweet Ellie. So Ben. And he's like, yes. What about him? Well, I did want to ask you something because you are manager of teams and you're also his friend and also you have such nice genetics that will grow inside of me until we have a king. A future king. Okay, so there's one thing Ben does. He never addresses me by my name. He's like, you mean like he calls you sweetie, darling, Love things like that, baby. I'm not your smoky, I'm not your pookie. I'm not your honey, I'm not your bunny. I'm not your all of this. What? What even is a donut? Dermal cranium.
Ben Mandelker
But this is such a good conversation about cultural difference. Because in Zim, when we say schmooky pookie, honey bunny, all of this, all day long, it means, hello, how are you? I'm from Zim. Yes, but the first.
Janet
The first female president of Zim was named Honeyposs.
Ben Mandelker
Oh, I did not know that. But I don't want to be called Honeyposs. I don't want to go to Zeal. I am Balkan. Balkan princess. So then we get a nice montage of Ben being like, hello, boo boo, sweetie pie, babe, love, honey, sugar, elbows.
Janet
Hey there. It's like, whoa, ginger toes. Yeah. This is interesting because I see this in comments sometimes talking about the show, when people. Some people are like, well, that's, you know, sexist. He shouldn't be talking to women like that. Which is where I land. I think that's so gross. Yeah. And then there are others that are like, well, it's a cultural difference. I'm sorry, but is that really what they're doing? I don't believe that that's what they're doing in his country. I don't believe that he would get away with that in 2026. That's crazy. That's just fucking crazy.
Ben Mandelker
So Ellie has to accommodate herself to his culture. Will he accommodate her to her culture? I don't think so. So that's why I think the cultural difference thing is, like, kind of falls apart, because I just also, like, we've had a lot of British chefs on this show. We've had a lot of British people on the show. We've had a lot of British people on Bravo, and we've also met British people in real life, shockingly. And they are not every two seconds saying, hello, sweetie, honey, honey potato. However, I have met creepy people who say that kind of shit all the time. And that is. I don't know if you call that a cultural difference, but it's definitely a communication difference.
Janet
Well, I'm from the south, so we do a little honey sugar, sweetie. Hey there, hon. You know, we do a lot of that stuff. But, I mean, to the extent that he. But, you know, I have been told as well, like when I was waiting tables, and this was 20 years ago, but not the last time I waited tables, just when this happened. But I was waiting on a table of ladies and I said something like, okay, hun, like something like that. And they were like, mortified, and they were like, you do not speak to women. Like, like, they told. They let me have it at the table. And I was like, oh, sorry, I'm Southern. Sorry. But that was like 20 years ago was the first time I got smacked for that one. So I'm just surprised that it's all this time later and it's like, what, it's just a cultural difference? No, it's a workplace. That is your culture. Your culture is being in a workplace. So we can. Ellie's like, well, you know, but you don't work for him and he doesn't call you love for 18 hours a day. Of all the quirks he's got, this is the one that's going to set me off. I'm telling you right now,
Ben Mandelker
having a boss call me all of these pet names not only is unprofessional, you're diminishing me into this small non serious entity. Like it's affecting me on a personal level. I mean my family has gone through war. I've been bombed as an eight year old child. You know, I spent my early childhood having to sell fruits and vegetables in the market with my mother so she could buy me milk. And I took that milk and I would sell that milk so I could buy basket and I'd take those baskets and fill it with more vegetables and sell the basket full of vegetables and then I would buy cheese. And the point is, I've overcome so much in my life to become a strong, independent person and I want to be shown respect and I want to be treated as such and that matters to me. She's absolutely right. She totally deserves respect and she doesn't even have to even sew in a war story. But I liked it because it's even more like don't call me honey. I went through war like, what a great, what a great card to play. Like if you have the war card, use it well.
Janet
I like that Ellie plays that card even over like simple things. Like when he was like, could you, you know, you know I'm tired. He said something a couple of weeks like I'm tired. Like I had bombs falling on my head when I was 8.
Ben Mandelker
I like that she not only had, she not only has the work hard, she also has the post work hard of like selling vegetables in the market just to get milk. I was like, oh beautiful. It's like, like no pun intended, chef's kiss. Like that is just like use that card. Like just take, get the mileage out of it because you deserve it if you've been through that.
Janet
Have you ever tried offloading 2 day old okra
Ben Mandelker
just for some 2% milk?
Janet
So he's like, well tell them directly that you don't like It. Well, which is actually, I don't know how Joel became like, a somewhat sensible, decent person, but he did. And I think that's what she needs to do, but she doesn't. That's where things go. That's where things take a turn. I mean, I think if Ben was doing all of this and you told him, like, hey, Ben, I don't like that. And he continued, or he gave you attitude or something like that. But you have to at least tell him, right? Someone has to at least tell.
Ben Mandelker
Well, I mean, it seems. It seems like the logic would be, yeah. Oh, you should, like, hey, you're. I don't. Could you please not call me that? Yes. I think in workplace it gets tricky, especially it's your supervisor. This is where it's a good time for there to be an hr. And unfortunately, there's not really an HR on these boats. So I don't know. That's. If anything, it might actually be a good idea for her to go to the captain, because he's. Yeah, the captain to hr, you know, and be like, I don't want to make this a big thing, and I want to change our stuff. But, like, you know, I don't really know how to approach this. She's sort of going hr. Like, I actually respect her going to Joao and getting some advice from, like, a leadership person on the boat. Like, I think my first instinct as, like, on a human basis with how much we talk about these shows and personal interactions always, like, well, tell the person how you feel. But I just don't know if it's as cut and dry as that when you're in a work environment, unfortunately. And. And also when you're a woman and your supervisor is a man, yada, yada and yada.
Janet
Well, I guess you have to communicate it, is what I'm saying, to communicate it. Like somebody. Somebody has to tell him so anyway, so he's like, tell him. So. She's like, okay, I appreciate it. So then it's the next morning, four hours till charter, and Alicia goes to the crew mess, and Jason's there, and she's like, morning, Captain. I must apologize, Cat, for the helmet, what happened again. But really hope to never have it again. He's like, I would like that. That. That's it. That's all you're giving her. She did not wear that helmet after up all charter. And you had to leave your viewing of Real Housewives of Salt Lake City to take that to her at dinner. That's it. Yeah. Cut her off from m. M's or something. I like, I want to see something here.
Ben Mandelker
I think I'm like, ready for Alicia to go, quite frankly. So she says, I love.
Janet
I don't care.
Ben Mandelker
You do.
Janet
I'm not ready for her to go. Yeah, I love her. I think she's really funny and I love when anybody fights and it just cuts to her face and she's like smiling. She's like, oh, my God, I love this. Like when the housewives just see her little face poke behind a column or something.
Ben Mandelker
She's like, I love that.
Janet
She loves the mess.
Ben Mandelker
So she tells us. Getting the disco ball helmet was a real pain point for me. I've already cried a couple of times and I've already gone to captain saying I want to quit and to be given a second chance. Like, for me, it means the stakes are really high. And I could be gone instantly. I'm like, yeah, you could be gone. Which is why you shouldn't be up so much and getting that helmet. And then you can't even be responsible enough to take the helmet with you.
Janet
I think she just left it on purpose because she didn't want to look stupid in the helmet, you know? Well, there's that too, which is even worse. So she's like, don't worry, I'm a one time pony. And he's like, you've just got to turn it on, right? You've just got to turn it on that fire that we all see. New Alicia. Just kidding. He doesn't really say much. He just kind of blanks blankly. He gives us Homer Simpson blink, blink. Like, well, you've just got to turn it on. Please don't cry. Please don't cry. Please don't cry. So then we go to the galley and Ben's in there and he's like, do you know where the instant coffee is, Please, I really need some instant coffee gelato Glabella.
Ben Mandelker
Jeez, I've never touched the instant coffee. He's like, man, who wash these dishes? Like, they're still food on it. He's like, well, I need to wake the up and go for a swim quickly. I just want to wake up. It's gonna be good for us. It'll be good. It'll be like we both took a swim. Except I'm the only one swimming and you're doing the dishes. So I'm just gonna jump in the water, love. That's it.
Janet
I'm just gonna jump in the water after doing dishes badly. And you're, you're here remedying that situation all Right. Some gloves. See you later. Okay. Are you kidding me right now? I'm doing my best, but he's really pushing it. And then we see him. He's, like, putting on a bathrobe, heading down to the water, getting good, laying there, staring up at the sun.
Ben Mandelker
It's, like, definitely giving, like, 1920s, like, wellness retreat. Like, oh, gotta get the salt air to, like, clean my lungs out. And he's just, yeah, luxuriating. And she's like, oh, for sake. I really need to speak to man about this. Because he was like, okay, if you do. If you work extra hard, then you can start later, and I'll start later. I started earlier, but so, like, so make it all right. Because she's, like, complains to Daisy about this, and she's like, but then I got to work, and he's not even there. And, you know, you're, like, taking the piece. Daisy's like, you're completely valid in what you're saying, and it's not fair that it's coming down on you. I wasn't really listening to what you're saying, and I just figured I'd give you some of my standard Daisy advice so I can get out of this room and start doing what I have to do for the day.
Janet
Ali has come in as a hard worker, and I really think Ben needs to address this problem to start, you know, managing Ellie more or less and less time and get bathroom. So she's like, I've got your back on that. I've got your back on that. I do. I completely agree with you 100%. So now Jason radios the engineers because the new oven is arriving, and it just cuts to Ben floating in the water. Like, they're like, make a. Make a wish for Ben. You know, it's like, make your mommy's wish come true day. So Alicia's like, we should put a bow on the oven. If I work and somebody gave me a stapler with a bow on it, I would throw the stapler at their head. This is not a gift. This is a work to. You are forcing me to use this stapler. How dare you treat it like it's a gift. I want a gold watch. I want muffins.
Ben Mandelker
I wish it were, like, a wacky 80s comedy where Ellie were so mad that she, like, did some sort of curse. And then, like, Ben became the oven, and the oven became Ben. Like, they had, like, a body switch because she was so mad, and. And now she has to, like, communicate with this oven somehow. The oven's like, what's a cake in May at 3:50. What was that you said? And it could be called My Chef, the Oven. It's actually more of a sitcom idea, now that I think about it. I'm gonna have to pitch it to Warner Brothers.
Janet
Warner Brothers is gonna be like, the lead has no charisma. You're like, it's an oven.
Ben Mandelker
It's a British chest whose body was sent into the oven. What don't you get about this show?
Janet
Does the. Does the oven talk? It's an oven. It doesn't talk. Does it move? No, it can't move. It's an oven.
Ben Mandelker
All right, like the pitch.
Janet
24 episodes. 24 episodes.
Ben Mandelker
Give it a full and get stuck. He gets stung by an electric eel while he's swimming and dies just at this exact same moment that they plug in the oven for the first time. And his soul enters the oven and he becomes the oven. And Ellie becomes the head chef. But she doesn't totally know what to do, so she's. But no one. No one can know that the oven is Ben. So there's a lot of hijinks where Ellie is, like, talking to the oven and then Daisy walks. Who are you talking to? No one. It's no one. And the audience laughs.
Janet
Why isn't this oven cooking? My chicken. Bombs fell on my head. It's like, take that custard. Celia,
Ben Mandelker
honey, this is a sitcom. Not a good moment to talk about war.
Janet
So they do put a bow on this oven, and they're very proud of it. Like, Jason has his arm around Alicia. They're just staring at the new oven like, wow, we did it. We have something that should work now. Working on a boat.
Ben Mandelker
Yeah.
Janet
We've come.
Ben Mandelker
This is where we've come.
Janet
You're proud of. Of replacing an oven. So Ben's like, wow, look at that. It's massive. Look at this unadulterated potential in the box.
Ben Mandelker
That's what I call it. Yes. Yes. That's. That's what I think about every time I turn on the tv. So Jenna is like. Jenna and Eddie are cleaning the bar, and Jenna's saying, patty and I are still colleagues. We need to be professional. He's like, definitely. I'm being a big boy now, and I'm in the process of learning my lesson. I'm just going to play and be myself. And I think she'll come around. I'm like, that's going to make it even worse. Honestly yourself.
Janet
Maybe she'll want me more tomorrow. So then we go to Jason and it's preference sheet. Meeting time, everybody. All right, here we go. Charter number 444-444-4444 day charter, everybody. And they're like, no, no, God. Oh, God. Is that even legal? All right. Clay and his husband Mark, after not having an official wedding party, their main goal is to have a once in a lifetime memorable celebration of their love years together with their group of best friends. They are gay. Get as many party city rainbows as you can possibly buy. All right. And now lots of 5 cent rainbow themed things. They are homosexuals. They only respond to rainbows.
Ben Mandelker
Now let's go to glamorous Tampa, Florida, three weeks ago, where we meet Mark, and he's one of the co primaries and he's playing fetch with his dog Arya. Arya Stark, if you will. And Clay tells us, I was actually looking for some new clothes and I didn't have, I guess, fashion style. And Mark was the associate that came up to me and said, would you like me to help you? And so he did. And I said, oh, by the way, I'm very wealthy and the rest is history, girl.
Janet
This is like an old man, young man situation. That man went into atomi Bahamas and went home with the salesperson. You see?
Ben Mandelker
Yep.
Janet
Look, Jenna, there's hope.
Ben Mandelker
Yeah, there's hope for Jenna.
Janet
This is. This is a very Jenna positive episode.
Ben Mandelker
Yeah. But it also shows that she can just stay on land and it might even be easier. Well, what would be even easier? Best thing, what's good about Mark in those situations is you have the wealthy person and they're feeling vulnerable because they're not sure about their decision. And then you can come in with, like, authority, and there could be like a Florence Nightingale situation. But instead of it being that, like, this nurse who saved you, it's like you're the person who gave someone really good fashion advice. And for us gays, that is kind of like a nurse.
Janet
It's a gay who saved your fashion sense. Yeah, but did he? Because we see some outfits on Clay, and I'm like, well, I don't know. I don't know if this is limited.
Ben Mandelker
You know, he's like, I got this at Tampa fashion week. So Mark is like. He's like, I thought he was handsome, kind, and genuine. So we exchanged numbers, and next thing you know, I'm on a yacht sipping espresso martinis and a mimosa. So Clay basically was like, yeah, let me show you why you should be interested in me. I'm taking you on a yacht and the rest of the industry.
Janet
There you go. So Clay's like, we've been married a few years now. We don't. We didn't have a big shindig, if you will. This is our big event to celebrate our wedding. And then Jason's like, all right. Clay and Mark are joined by their friends. Michelle, Alex, Christina, Shay, Mira, Mark's sister Sophia. I'll just keep naming names. We've got 75 people coming on board.
Ben Mandelker
Clay and Mark would like a yacht crew to set up a vow renoodle on the sun deck because they want to make sure that their relationship is doomed. And they would love Captain Jason to officiate because they want to also make sure they can go to sleep quickly.
Janet
The pressure is real. Like, this is supposed to be the most important day of their lives. And that's coming from me and my team. This is going to be a law.
Ben Mandelker
It's a law. Look, it's four days. It's going to be busy. You've got to come out. You've got to come out of this rot. Actually, like emptying the tank. Okay, guys, so get to it. So everyone is prepping the boat, cleaning and cleaning. And in the galley, Ben, of course, they, they, they, they include every single Ben, like, instance of saying sweetie and honey and whatever, because this is the blow up episode. So he's like, hello, sweetie. You all right? Squishy earlobes. How are you feeling? She's like, okay, peace. Peace and tranquility. So he's just like, looking at the oven. This is the most beautiful thing I've ever seen in my life. I wonder if I can go swimming in it.
Janet
And then Ben and Daisy are talking on deck and she's like, well, listen, but sometimes I see Ellie in there and you're not, and I worry she's gonna get burnt out. He's like, what are you even talking about? Well, I saw her there working the other day and I didn't know if you clocked off. And I don't know if, like, that's the way you'd scheduled it or, you know, if you're just being lazy or something. And he's like, no, no, it's not that. Listen, I've got to do menu planning. I've got to make sure the provisionings are right. I've got to scrutinize preference sheets. I've got a, you know, time tan. I've got to get tan. Gotta get that sweet, salty water right in the middle of my belly button. You know how it is. Days, come on days.
Ben Mandelker
Look, I tremendously value Elliot as I Like to call her gooey shin bones. And, you know, if two in a row exclaim that I'm the worst possible boss in the world, where does that leave me? Still as an accomplished chef and them as two people who complain a lot, I suppose. But, I mean, I might be the worst boss in the world at that point. Maybe I am. Maybe Custard Kneecaps has a thought about this. That might be true.
Janet
It's just the nature of the beast. It's not designed for the fate of heart. And I'm lucky to have her because she is a trooper. She is a trooper. So I think part of this is how he's setting expectations. I think it should be like, listen, I am the chef. You are not even a sous chef. You're an assistant. And your job is to. To clean my dishes and cut things when I tell you to. And that's it. I'm going to finish first, and you're going to have to clean all the dishes. And it sucks. But you're working your way up in the kitchen, and it's a lowly job, and eventually you work your way up. But right now, it's your first time. This is all you get to do because I think by setting it up like, we're a team, darling, and all this stuff, it's like, well, then why am I doing all the dishes? Well, you're doing all the dishes because that's your job, you know, So I don't know. I mean, this goes beyond the honey pie, sweetie stuff, honestly.
Ben Mandelker
Yeah. I think it's okay to be like, unfortunately, you have to get hazed. Like, you do have to do the cleaning. Like, that's just. That's the way it is. Like, but. But like the. Yeah, for sure. The. The honey pie and boo boo and all that stuff. Like, that's definitely got.
Janet
Yeah, that's a separate. Yeah, that's a separate thing. Obviously, he needs to change that up.
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So then we go to Alicia and Jenna in the laundry room, and Alicia's like, oh, my God. You know, it's like 9:45. Everything's in an absolute state. We're gonna have guests in, like, two hours. Oh, my God. Clean, clean, clean. So when we go back to the galley with Ben and Ellie, and he's like, oh, hon, I just wanted to have a quick chat there. All right, my little chocolate chin. All right. I spoke to Daisy. She brought it to my attention that quite often she sees you doing dishes and stuff, and I'm like, sitting down. And she's like, yeah, well, the biggest issue for me was that I felt it was very insensitive on your part to just up and leave and just leave me on my own to clean. I really didn't like that. That upset me. We are one team, and it felt like a piss take Ben, honestly, and you know, be like, oh, I just don't have the mental capacity. Like, what about me? It's insensitive. I sold vegetables.
Ben Mandelker
Well, I'm sorry about that. Budgie follicles. It was very insensitive. And just communicate with me. He's like, if you think I'm missing something, like, be. But be nice about it. Just, you know, give me a job.
Janet
You know, that would be pretty cool. Yeah, well. Oh, you want a job? Okay. He's just like, okay, well, sorry that happened. Sorry that happened. Let's give a hug. Tighter. Tighter. Oh, yeah, Ugly. Tighter. Hug me tight. Oh, yes.
Ben Mandelker
All right. I got in on this tight hug. I would really like to be in on this.
Janet
Oh.
Ben Mandelker
Oh, God.
Janet
It was too hard.
Ben Mandelker
It was too hard.
Janet
Need a softer hug. So now Daisy is, you know, bossing everybody around to get clean, get the boat cleaned and stuff. And Alicia is still worried about laundry. And she neglects the beds even after she was told, only concentrate on the beds. So then Daisy and Jower and the crew maps.
Ben Mandelker
Yeah. And Daisy's like, hello, how are you on deck? He's like, well, would you want to come and wash some windows with me? And Daisy's like, no. What are you doing after the season? Are you going back to work? And he's like, well, I might just go back home. To be honest, I split my time between Majorca and South Africa. Specifically Zim. So she goes, so, is Palma your home? So, well, it was. I had a house with my ex. Here comes a sad story from Zimmer. And she goes, well, what. When did you break up? It was November of last year. Is she Spanish? She's German. Does she have arms? She has three of them. How did that happen? I don't know. That's why we broke up. Too many arms.
Janet
Ah, she's German. So you love a foreign girl, don't ya? And he's like, ha, ha ha, ha ha ha. What the fuck is that supposed to mean? She's like, ah, well, just German. It's like going around the world now. Irish. Have you dated an Irish girl before that?
Ben Mandelker
No.
Janet
No, actually, I haven't. What about you? No, I haven't dated an Irish girl, but I don't have very successful relationships. Why? Have you watched this show? Do any of the countries you live in show this show? Gary?
Ben Mandelker
Okay. I'm probably the kind of person. I'm just attracted to them. Absolute dickheads. Yeah, I like a dickhead. Well, what qualities do you look for? Well, I like secure people. Somebody who doesn't put me down. Men find me difficult, you know. Oh, well, you know, that's intimidating. Yes. It's kind of hot, like. Well, yeah, maybe intimidating. Maybe that's the word. Because it takes a long time. It takes so long to break down my walls or, like, whatever the fuck is going on inside of me. Yeah, it kind of sucks when in the end, but it is what it is. Get back to work, Joao. Why are you angry at me? What do you think? What do you think you're looking for? Genuinely? I'm like, what is this conversation? Yes. Shouldn't you guys be getting ready for the guests that are coming in and you guys are having, like, a bachelor conversation?
Janet
Yeah. I feel like they're trying to make this happen, and I just don't. I don't believe this. I'm not. I'm feeling no chemistry.
Ben Mandelker
None of this. No.
Janet
I think they're like, well, we're on below deck. We're supposed to do this. All right, let's give it a. Let's give it the old God, I like dickheads, but I'm not a this season, so I'm a very, very good person this season. Let's skip over the girlfriend broke up with me part. Let's not go into that.
Ben Mandelker
Yes, it was totally innocent. Why that? All Happened. Nothing bad happened at all. I am charming. Look at me smiling and being supportive. So now we go. Alicia is still doing laundry because she's just in there for whatever reason. And then in the galley, Ben's like, all right, I'm just gonna put pop this in the oven. I love you to check it out. You know about cakes, don't you? What? Yes. Remember I have story about working in bakery after the war. Oh, well, yes. So do the cake. And back in my back in the day, I used to get punched and kicked in frying pans, thrown at my head, and I was like, yeah, cheers, mates. I learned a lot from that. That was great. But this day and age, you can't really do that. Sad that you can't throw a cast iron skillet at someone's head just because they forgot to put the toothpick into cake. But I guess I'm growing and learning. Yeah.
Janet
It's funny how he's like, yeah, I used to get abused. So I'm not gonna be abusive. I'm gonna be nice like this. Do you know what a cake is? Do you understand cakes? Little sweet mumble Muffle Maple Maple mumps.
Ben Mandelker
She literally just made an amazing birthday cake, like two. Two charters ago. Remember she made that. That thing, the. The edges that were sharp and clean and beautiful. And she put the strawberries on top. She, like, killed the cake assignment. And I was like, do you understand the concept of the cake? Do you know what flowers. I'm not talking about the things that grow in the ground.
Janet
So now we go to Mike and Daisy, and she's like, are you ready for the new charger, Mike? He's like, I literally cannot wait. No, I'm being serious. I feel like this with this chart. I've got a couple with the positive mindset. I just want to keep learning and proving, you know, I just want to keep improving on what I'm doing. I just want you to know I got you back. Got your back days. Got you back.
Ben Mandelker
I'm gonna do something that no one in the past five years has seen me do. I'm gonna smile, Mike. I think that's so great. Not a lot of people can self reflect. Wait a second. I think I missed a smile. Too late. It's closed up again. You'll have to wait again another six years.
Janet
Come here and get me a hug, Mike. Give me a hug. And he's like, oh, all right. You smell lovely as well, by the way. Oh, God, Mike, shut up. Hang on to you, Mike. So gross.
Ben Mandelker
I know. Alicia's still doing laundry and she says she's about to have a mental breakdown, which is exactly how I feel watching her about to have a mental breakdown.
Janet
Yeah, she's not gonna win the worker of the year award, that's for sure. No, well, I'm getting real conscious at time, guys. Oh, for fuck's sake. So we see that Alicia has left piles of towels on the floor. Daisy's like, oh, for sake. Why did she do that? 40 minutes until we need to be ready. Come on.
Ben Mandelker
Yeah. Why is it like that? And Jenna's like, I'm just gonna hold it up and put it away real quick. So this is Alicia. Just be wary of the things that you start from now on. That includes boyfriends.
Janet
Yeah. So now she's telling us Mark and Clay looks super cute. She's so excited. She loves gays. So now we go to the galley and Ellie's like, I put the fish in the fridge. Ah, thank you, sweetie. That's great. Wow. That's a good start. Thank you, darling. My little. My little cookies. Cubitus doing a great job.
Ben Mandelker
And the. The gays come on board and Daisy gives them the tour. They. They love it. And then the deck crew is helping the anchors pull up and it's fine. It's actually, they. There's not even any drama. It's just like, you blink and the boat's already, like, heading out to sea. I was like, well, okay. Well, I guess we're not watching below deck anymore, apparently. We. Not that we're saying there is drama when the anchors come up, but usually we have a 10 minute process and a commercial break to make us think the boat's about to sink. And this time they just let the boat just go out to sea without any issues. I was like, okay, great.
Janet
Yeah. Felt a little. They've got enough going on today without relying on anchor drama. So the guests are unpacking, and one lady opens her closet and there's like a panty liner on the wall of the closet, on the inside wall. She's like, oh, my God. Oh, my God.
Ben Mandelker
The panty liner.
Janet
Oh, my God. I've never seen it anything like this in my life. Never in my life. Daisy. Daisy. There's a penny liner in the closet. Daisy. She's on the floor having convulsions. It's a patty lighter.
Ben Mandelker
Who did that? Who did that? I was trying to think about the last charter. Were those women. I just don't see any of those women doing that. I don't see any of. Was her name was her name Mecca. I don't think that entire crew. I just don't see anyone doing that. They didn't get, like, drunk and crazy enough to do something like that. The one before that was that.
Janet
What if it was Mecca? She just. She just reached down, grabbed it and slammed it on the wall and then said, you know what? That is my best.
Ben Mandelker
You just got Mecca. Is this your best? And the. The charter before that was the ballroom dancer with, like, the white powdery face. So I'm like, was it. You know what? It probably was, but it probably was there since the real house. It's a Salt Lake City. Probably Heather slapped it on there. Like, this is hilarious. Look at me being a wild girl right now.
Janet
I actually would believe that. 100. And they just don't clean the interior closet walls.
Ben Mandelker
And no one noticed. No one noticed. No one saw it. I think that it's either that or the producers just slapped it on there to create some drama. But I can actually see Heather. Maybe Bronwyn. I mean, Bronwyn did, you know, instigate the uni attack doing something like that. Or Whitney, for sure. This is like.
Janet
Or.
Ben Mandelker
Or Britney. Like, Brittany thinks she's being hilarious.
Janet
I think it's like, it could be like 90 of the cast of Salt Lake City, and I would believe it. Yeah. So Daisy comes in and she sees him. She goes, oh, gross. Why is it there, Daisy? Why is it there? It's a penny liner. It's like, oh, my God, I'm so sorry. We'll get this clean for you. And Mike's just cracking up. He's like, I'm sorry, whose bats? That's a bit down. That's my question. Whose bats have been down? Why didn't they call me? I would have been there for him. Lovers.
Ben Mandelker
Yeah.
Janet
To you, whoever's petty liner that is.
Ben Mandelker
You look great, by the way. So someone else is like, you must go soak your hand with some bleach because you don't know where the f that's been. I mean, clearly it's been around. Like, I'm so sorry about that.
Janet
So clearly she's been around. Only sluts put their panty liners on the inside closet walls.
Ben Mandelker
Well, that's a slutty wall if I ever saw one. Closet of the sluts. So of course, Mike gets it down to, like, his primary job, which is going to every single room of this boat and telling everyone about what happened. It's like, hey, Ben, guess what? The bit the guest came does this. And there's a panty Liner stuck on the cardboard, and they've stuck it to the wall. They found it. So glad I wasn't on cabins. I'm like, yeah, you've been in a cabin. And you all share responsibility for this. I firmly believe this panty liner was there for weeks. Weeks, I tell you. And no one saw it.
Janet
So now we go to Alicia taking drink orders, and the gays are like, hi, do you know how to make a paper airplane? She goes, I do the drink. Oh, I thought you meant a physical one. I can learn. He's like, yeah, it's called Paper Plane. I need a paper plane. What is a paper plane?
Ben Mandelker
You know, we're obviously gonna look it up right now. But also, like, I kind of don't believe Alicia can make a real paper plane anyway. She's like, look, guys, I made a paper plane. It's like, that's just a wadded up ball of paper. But it's. It's a plane. It can fly. I swear I could fly. Oh, Mommy was right. I shouldn't have tried to go to aviation school.
Janet
The Paper Plane is a modern classic cocktail made with equal parts bourbon, aperol, amaro nonino, and fresh lemon juice, shaken and served up with a couple with a. In a coupe or cocktail glass with a lemon twist.
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Garnish.
Janet
It's known for its balanced swee, sweet, sour and bitter profile with a bright orange red hue, and was created by bartender Sam Ross in 2008 named after the M.I.A song.
Ben Mandelker
I was wondering if actually it was related to that. Guys, I was wondering. I, like, already know. Like, I already knew. Like, I. I was like, someone answered
Janet
it in my head. I should have said that out loud.
Ben Mandelker
Like, so smart. Like, I. I was like, guys, it's obviously a cocktail based off of Mia.
Janet
I wonder, do you think I've been watching the Traders UK season four, which is amazing. Don't worry, I won't say any spoilers about it because it is the best season I've seen. You should definitely watch it. It's on, so everybody go watch it. It's so good. So anyway, almost I would say, like most. I don't want to say percentage because I keep saying 90% today. I don't know why I keep saying that, but I would say that most of the round tables, they get the person and then the person is not a trader. And then someone goes, I knew. What? I told you guys. No, you didn't. You never said anything. What are you talking about? They're one of those people, like, in the game, you know, You Play Trivial Pursuit and they're like, I knew it. No, you didn't, or you would have answered that. Like, why are you saying I knew it at the last second? You did not. You get points for saying you knew.
Ben Mandelker
Yeah, shut up. Shut up. The person.
Janet
Random person on the Traitors I haven't watched.
Ben Mandelker
Yeah, shut up. Person probably named Harry or, you know, Jemima. Gemma.
Janet
Gemma.
Ben Mandelker
Gemma or Harmony. I'm trying to think of, like. I'm like. Like, again, all the British names I've learned over the years from British uk, like, from Love island uk, and I can't think of any of them. So
Janet
you know what? Yeah. So that's a.
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Janet
No, it's. It's too. Too fruity and bitter for me, personally.
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Below Deck Down Under S04E08 Part One: Honey Badgered
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Release Date: March 24, 2026
In this lively episode, Ben and Ronnie deep-dive into Below Deck Down Under Season 4, Episode 8, focusing on workplace drama, problematic pet names, generational workplace expectations, and the price of being a “rebel” in yachting. Their trademark blend of irreverence and affection for Bravo's messy reality universe is in full force as they mock, empathize, and riff about the episode’s many interpersonal entanglements and cringe moments.
| Timestamp | Segment/Event | |-----------|------------------------------------------------| | 04:12 | Ben laments Margaret Josephs’ RHONJ exit | | 06:41 | Jenna draws her boundaries with Eddie | | 08:37 | Hosts mock the “rebel” trope in yachting | | 17:19 | Ellie addresses Ben's pet names | | 18:30 | Discussion on “cultural difference” vs. workplace respect | | 20:13 | Ellie’s wartime resilience parodied | | 26:56 | Daisy validates Ellie’s kitchen frustrations | | 27:46 | The “Ben turns into an oven” sitcom riff | | 30:21 | Hosts roast Bravo's approach to rainbow decor | | 41:47 | Joao-Daisy romance chat gets mocked | | 46:21 | Panty liner found in guest closet | | 48:42 | Panty liner as lore | | 49:36 | Paper Plane cocktail tangent |
This episode is a perfect Watch What Crappens mix: sharp laughs, real insights into work and gender dynamics, and a complete evisceration (with affection) of Bravo's most chaotic yacht crew.