#3280 Southern Charm S11E18 Reunion 2 Part Two: No Craig to Stand On

Summary

Watch What Crappens – Ep. 3280: Southern Charm S11E18 Reunion Part 2 ("No Craig to Stand On")

Date: March 26, 2026
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam

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Episode Overview

This episode of Watch What Crappens dives into Part 2 of the Southern Charm Season 11 reunion, focusing on the dramatic fallout between Craig and Charlie, as well as broader cast dynamics. Ben and Ronnie revel in the absurdity, inconsistencies, and classic Bravo behaviors, blending sharp recaps with their signature humor and empathy for both messiness and resilience—especially among the women. The main throughline: Craig's denial, manipulation, and the concept of "love bombing" are dissected, as is the group's struggle with accountability and friendship fractures.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Craig and Charlie: The (Non-)Relationship and "Love Bombing"

• Background: Confusion reigns over whether Craig and Charlie ever truly dated, with Craig insisting on a romance and Charlie (with group backup) denying it beyond a few casual dates.

• Love Bombing Accusations: Craig accuses Charlie of "love bombing" him—a term Ben and Ronnie gleefully skewer as misapplied.

  • Ronnie (06:08): "Expressing interest in someone is not love bombing. And he is the ultimate love bomber."
  • Ben (06:47): "Narcissists will often turn the tables, switch the narrative, and make themselves into the victim. So the fact that Craig is like, 'she was love bombing me,' like—you were the one pursuing Charlie."

• Manipulating the Narrative: The conversation exposes Craig's apparent rewriting of history, with group pushback on his claims and behaviors.

  • Ronnie (05:18): "Are you talking about when you were going out as a group? Are you counting that as a date? Because you're acting like Sally’s crazy for counting that as anything other than friendship."
  • Ben (09:55): "She liked you until she saw the real you, and then she didn't anymore. Get the over it, bro."

2. Mexico Meltdown, Gaslighting, and Accountability

• The Breakup Trigger: The hosts agree that Charlie’s decision to move on stems from Craig’s meltdown in Mexico, not any supposed infidelity.
  • Ronnie (14:31): "I saw Mexico and realized I needed to raise my standards from what I want out of a man. So that's why I'm dating Justin from Southern Hospitality."
• Craig’s Denial: Craig frames his meltdown as an isolated incident, insisting, “I was perfect up until then,” which the hosts mock.
  • Ronnie (15:57): "It's really coming off as like—Hey, I was able to maintain this facade really well, and now I've messed up, you know, and like, it's just rubbing me the wrong way."
• Ben (16:58): "He wants to make himself look like the sweet guy who got, you know, victimized by some callous, fame-starved woman."

3. The Van Incident: Anger Issues and Lack of Real Apologies

• Craig’s Outburst: Discussion of the van drama focuses on Craig’s rage and the group’s fear.
  • Ben (24:01): "The point is that everyone was scared of him... They knew there was no getting through to him."
  • Ronnie (24:20): "You shouldn't have to calm him down. He's not the victim. He's currently victimizing someone else."
• Alcohol vs. Anger: Craig tries to blame his behavior on alcohol, but both hosts and other cast members spotlight his deeper anger issues.
  • Rodrigo (26:54): “Come on, Andy. I think it’s more of an anger issue than an alcohol issue. Girlfriend... be better at controlling your anger.”
  • Ronnie (27:26): "No one wants to address what the real issue is here... I don't think it's your drinking—I think it is your anger."

4. The Nature of Craig’s Apologies

• Meaningless Apologies: Austin questions the sincerity and efficacy of Craig's repeated apologies.
  • Austin (29:55): “Apologies from Craig are meaningless.”
  • Ben (30:33): "You're not working on yourself. Your therapist is ChatGPT."
• Therapy Theater: The hosts doubt Craig’s commitment to real self-work, mocking his therapy references and generic statements.
  • Ronnie (31:00): "You prove the work you've done on yourself by not being a fucking asshole. That's how you prove it."

5. Group Dynamics and Friendship Fractures

• Shep, Austin, and Craig: The cast discuss their "restorative journey" and how travel brings out both the best and worst in everyone.
  • Shep (17:51): "The best times we've been trapped—the best times we've ever had are when we're traveling. No one really cares how much Coke we do..."
• Progress (or Not) in Relationships: While some reconciliation is hinted at (Vanita and Craig, Austin and Craig), the hosts note nothing significant has changed—Craig remains resistant to real growth.
  • Ronnie (38:41): "His answer was basically like, nope, still hate him."
  • Ben (39:31): "Tigers aren’t changing their stripes."

6. The Resilience of Female Friendships

• Host Reflection: The episode ends with praise for Bravo women’s resilience and the durability of female friendship in contrast to the men's patterns.
  • Ben (37:51): "If there's anything that Bravo has proven to us time and time again is that the most resilient thing are female friendships."
  • Sally (37:23): “Hard-ons go down, but girlfriends are always there to steal your hard-on.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Ronnie (09:55): "She liked you until she saw the real you, and then she didn't anymore. Get the over it, bro."
• Ben (06:34): "I was like, how are you love bombing me? Yeah, I'd love to be love bombed. Sorry."
• Brandy (12:02): "Oh, off, you love bomb. My little vulnerability."
• Ronnie (24:20): "He's currently victimizing someone else... she should be—Why wasn't it, if Sally had any real friends, they'd be standing up for her instead of just watching her get yelled at and called a loser."
• Rodrigo (26:54): "I think it’s more of an anger issue than an alcohol issue. Girlfriend, I just think you need to be better at controlling your anger."
• Ben (31:00): “You prove the work you've done on yourself by not being a fucking asshole."
• Charlie (38:03): "I do see Craig as a friend. I just, I feel like we had a good friendship, you know, before when we were all hanging out. I wish him the best."
• Sally (37:23): “Hard-ons go down, but girlfriends are always there to steal your hard-on.”

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [02:28] – Speculation on Charlie's new relationship and Bravo hookups
• [05:18] – Disputing whether Craig and Charlie were ever "dating"
• [06:08] – Deep dive on "love bombing" and who’s actually doing it
• [09:16] – Craig deflects breakup blame onto Sally; discussion shifts on what counts as cheating
• [11:06] – Charlie’s emotional reaction after Mexico and ending things with Craig
• [14:31] – Charlie’s standards rise, moving on to Justin from Southern Hospitality
• [15:57] – Craig’s “I was perfect up until then” mantra questioned
• [16:58] – Panel underscores Craig’s penchant for making himself the victim
• [24:01] – Recounting the van fight, accountability, and fear among castmates
• [26:54] – Rodrigo calls out Craig’s anger over alcohol as the true issue
• [29:55] – Austin calls Craig’s apologies meaningless
• [31:00] – Ben skewers Craig’s "therapy" as mere lip service
• [37:51] – Bravo women’s resilience and friendships celebrated in closing

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Tone & Language

The hosts keep their classic, irreverent tone—mixing genuine social insight with snarky humor, Bravo-niche references, and shade-throwing. They call out the cast’s delusions and bad behavior while supporting cast members who show growth or vulnerability, especially the women. The vibe is both exasperated and affectionate.

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Recap Takeaway

If you missed the episode (or even the reunion itself), this recap makes clear:

• Craig tried every trick in the Bravo playbook—gaslighting, therapy speak, blame-shifting—but the cast and hosts weren’t buying it.
• The women (especially Charlie) emerged resilient, while the men spun in circles of denial and bickering.
• As always, Watch What Crappens delivers both belly laughs and insightful breakdowns of Bravo’s biggest messes.

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Transcript

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[Tiffany Haddish]

best friend a lot.

[Brandy Howard]

So hard that I hate it. Hide it. Yeah. Well, I know you're not. You're no Longer dating Craig. But are you dating anyone now? And Charlie's like, I am. He's from Boston and sounds like he's on Southern hospitality. Yeah, he works at the club. And it's Justin. Justin, the new skis ball on southern hospitality. Sal. I mean, Charlie, come on. He's actively dating two other women.

[Tiffany Haddish]

Yeah, Justin, he just said last week, yeah, Mia, she's got a really nice pair of personality, right? That guy Charlie, Really? Come on, Charlie, Jesus, you can do better.

[Brandy Howard]

You can do better. So. And he's like, greg, do you know Justin? It's like, yeah, I always say hi to him when he comes in the bar. This is a funny thing to say. I do know I might always say hi to him.

[Tiffany Haddish]

Like, I think he's.

[Brandy Howard]

You're welcome, Justin.

[Tiffany Haddish]

I think he's sure to remind everybody that he's above Justin because Justin's coming into his bar and he's the bar owner.

[Brandy Howard]

Yeah.

[Tiffany Haddish]

And Justin.

[Brandy Howard]

And he's a nice guy. He's a nice guy.

[Tiffany Haddish]

He's nice. Well.

[Brandy Howard]

Well, let's say something else.

[Tiffany Haddish]

Let's.

[Brandy Howard]

It's time to move on. Well, Austin had to tell me in Vegas, by the way, because Charlie and I were still like hanging out. And then finally Austin sat me down in Vegas and he was like, dude, whatever she's telling you, that's like not talk. Like she. That she's not talking to someone. Like, I met him and he was like, he's real. She brought him to the barn and said, I'm in love. And Charlie's like, I never said I wasn't talking to anyone else. What are you talking about? And she's like, I gave you a lot of chances to tell me, the star of the show, that you were talking to someone else. You never did. And then Sally was like, craig, you need to know this. She's talking to other two other guys. And then I asked you and you just took me by the hand. You said, I'm not talking to anyone else. I mean, you just said that it was Austin who told you, and now you're saying it was Sally who told you. Come on, you can't even keep your lie straight, Craig. And what.

[Tiffany Haddish]

And when he says austin had to tell me in Vegas, does that mean bravo con? That means Bravo con.

[Brandy Howard]

Yeah, Bravo con.

[Tiffany Haddish]

I had to tell me in Vegas because Charlie and I were still like hanging out. But Charlie dumped you at the end of the season, so we saw Charlie dump you. So doesn't she have the right to date?

[Brandy Howard]

He is. This is. I think this is Complete fabrication what he's doing here.

[Tiffany Haddish]

I do, too do the typical thing that he always does when he breaks up with someone. He's like, well, she's a slut, and she was cheating on me the whole time.

[Brandy Howard]

Yeah, it's classic, 100%.

[Tiffany Haddish]

So Charlie's like, I never said. I wasn't talking anyone. Oh, yeah, so you did that part. So Charlie's like, yeah, none of that happened. And Craig goes, they have it on camera, okay, where we didn't see any of that. We didn't see anything that you just said on camera. And she goes, well, I swear that did not happen. And. And he goes, why would it matter? Because weren't you broken up? No, we were not. And she goes, we were never dating. We were not together. We went on two dates on camera,

[Brandy Howard]

but we would always go out. Like, I was strung on. I feel like I was a little like. I can't. I can't believe I know what this means now, because it's just like. And it's like, do you feel gas lit? Yeah. I was love bomb.

[Tiffany Haddish]

Oh, my God. This guy, he doesn't even know what love bomb means. Okay, but I have to keep going back because I just feel like Craig is lying, lying, lying. We were never dating. We were not together. We went on two dates. She says, and he says on camera, but we would always go out. And I was strong on. So are you talking about when you were going out as a group? Are you counting that as a date? Because you're acting like Sally's crazy for counting that as anything other than friendship. You know what I mean? What is he talking about? I don't believe one thing he says. And you were not love bombed. We saw the show. She literally told you multiple times, like, well, I mean, I think I like you too. I mean, it's not love bombing, Craig.

[Brandy Howard]

Yeah. Expressing interest in someone is not love bombing. And he is the ultimate love bomber. He is the one who is. Is gonna be like, we could, like, get, like, chickens somewhere, and then, like, you can come over and, like, we can, like, have barbecue. Like, he. He is the one who's always sort of painting these pictures, and he's, like, this sweet guy. But I do think, like, a trait of narcissists is that they often turn the tables on their victim and paint them. You have to be the one who's. What you do.

[Tiffany Haddish]

Just kidding.

[Brandy Howard]

It's a threat of a narcissist. I was like, how are you love bombing Me? Yeah, I'd love to be love bombed. Sorry.

[Tiffany Haddish]

Sorry.

[Brandy Howard]

Go ahead.

[Tiffany Haddish]

Of a narcissist.

[Brandy Howard]

No, no. But, like, that's like, I think from what I am, from what I have read and from what I have learned about narcissism. And of course, I am not a licensed therapist. I'm not a licensed anything. Barely just a licensed driver. That, like, narcissists will often turn the tables and switch the narrative up on the person that they are victimizing and make us turn themselves into the victim. So the fact that Craig is, like, she was love bombing me, like, you were the one who's coming on to Charlie. You were the one who was pursuing Charlie. She was the one who was trying to be like, maybe let's not be so big about this. And you're like, we just need to be free so that way we can finally have our relationship. And even later on this episode, it's kind of. You're like, you. You said you. You were the one who literally told Charlie that, like, she made you feel better than even Paige made you feel. Or something along those lines. Didn't he just have some grandiose statement about Charlie?

[Tiffany Haddish]

Yes.

[Brandy Howard]

Yeah.

[Tiffany Haddish]

I liked you even more than my ex.

[Brandy Howard]

Right? That's a love bomb right there. That's a love bomb. Yeah.

[Tiffany Haddish]

And he's making it sound like they had this torrid affair and she was cheating on him, when the fact is you guys dated casually and then she saw how you acted towards women and dumped you. It's not really that deep, but, yeah, that's what's on camera. But instead, he's like, oh, no, you were FaceTiming me from your friends weddings. And, like, it started to be the talk of the town. Like, who takes me via FaceTime to a friend's wedding? That's, like, serious. And they're, like, talking to town. I like when he said that. Talk of the town.

[Brandy Howard]

Did you hear about Gatsby? Did you hear about Gatsby? He's throwing a party.

[Tiffany Haddish]

Like, oh, they're the talk of the town. We shall stop them in their tracks. They will never get into our upper echelons.

[Brandy Howard]

Did you hear that? This season has been dominated by Craig and Charlie. It's like, what? We're the talk of the town. We FaceTimed.

[Tiffany Haddish]

And I was like, that's what love bombing is. Charlie goes, there was no.

[Brandy Howard]

Charlie just goes, no.

[Tiffany Haddish]

Yeah, like, there was some future planning from you. Charlie, did you love bomb Craig? She goes, I. I do not feel like I love bombed Craig.

[Brandy Howard]

Andy had to have been stifling a laugh, like a chuckle when he was saying that, like, sometimes Andy asks these questions, and even though he is just laughing so hard on the inside because he knows that Charlie did not love bomb gray. And she's sitting there, like, rattled, like, this is not a love bomber, this girl. So.

[Tiffany Haddish]

So you made it.

[Brandy Howard]

Oh, yeah.

[Tiffany Haddish]

I didn't do that. I love the look on her face. She's just like, what is even happening right now? And Craig's like, you made it seem to me like we're gonna make it out of filming. She dumped you on the finale. What are you talking about? And he's like, craig, Craig. Had Sally not been involved in the picture, do you think things would have worked out? Yeah. Oh, so now it's Sally's fault. So now it's not the fact that she's a love bombing who was cheating on you the whole time. Now it's just all Sally's fault.

[Brandy Howard]

Also, you're a left. You're allowed to aspire for, like, the future without it being love bombing, you know? Like, that's okay. It's not a love bomb situation.

[Tiffany Haddish]

She liked you until she saw the real you, and then she didn't anymore. Get the over it, bro.

[Brandy Howard]

It wasn't a love bomb. It was like, dummy love. I don't even know if there was a bomb. It was not even an analogy. There's not even a smaller version of it. There's not even like a love. Like a love static. Like. Like a static shock. There's nothing.

[Tiffany Haddish]

Sorry.

[Brandy Howard]

There it was. There it was.

[Tiffany Haddish]

It's a love love bomb.

[Brandy Howard]

The cat on your shirt.

[Tiffany Haddish]

The cat's like, damn it. So Sally's like, look, that's crazy. Look. Charlie's even shaking her head. Charlie's like, I don't. I. Look, I. I told you in Mexico, like, I felt completely different after that. But at the end of the season, you said, I can't do this anymore. Right? And she goes, yes. Craig's like, yeah, but like, after the freak out and everything. Yes, the freakout was like, a very valid reason. Craig, he's like, whatever Mexico happened. But what I'm saying is, up until Mexico, it doesn't matter what happened up until Mexico. You yelled at people in Mexico and acted like a drunk, coked out fucking asshole, and then she dumped you. What are you not getting? It's not because she's a dumb slut, Craig. And it's not because she was love bombing you. It's because she saw you.

[Brandy Howard]

Yeah. She goes, craig and I had every intention of continuing to hang out with you afterwards. And Then in Mexico, I decided I didn't want to do that anymore. And that's fine. No, it clearly is not fine. Craig, are you okay? I'm. I'm fine. I'm fine. Are you sure? Yeah, I'm just. I'm not trying to upset you. It's just. It's upsetting me. And I feel like you were trying to tell me how I was feeling the entire time, and you're, like, trying to say to everyone, like, no, she was telling me this and she was telling me this, and then I have to go tell my mother. No, I was being decent. Trust me, I was being very decent.

[Tiffany Haddish]

Because he's gaslighting and he's manipulating. He's like, what? All I've ever done is say how I felt in the relationship. No, that's not what you did. You didn't say how you felt. You said that she was cheating on you and love bombing you. That's not your feelings.

[Brandy Howard]

You literally. Ronnie, don't weaponize my vulnerability.

[Tiffany Haddish]

You guys weaponize my vulnerability.

[Brandy Howard]

Oh, off, you love bomb. My little vulnerability. So now they go. They have a break. And now Charlie is just love. Like, she's fully, like, in her rattled face. Like, Charlie is one of the best rattled faces we have on Bravo. Like, she is crying, but people are doing her makeup, too. So she's like, I meant to get a screenshot of it because it was so brilliant, but Charlie's like, it's just, like, awful. Like, hey, I'm sorry. I'm just like, it's. It's fine. I'm just fine. No, you're doing so good. I'm just, like, really overwhelmed right now. You know, it's like, it's a hard day. It's your first one. It's like Austin's penis is hard down the hallway.

[Tiffany Haddish]

Okay, I have to show you this because every time I see Charlie, I play Sackboy with my nieces. And whenever Charlie makes this face, I crack up laughing because it is when Sackboy gets defeated. So I'm just going to put this on the screen. Sorry for people who are just listening, but this is. This is important. This is Sackboy's defeated face. Cher.

[Brandy Howard]

Cher. It's Cher the musician.

[Tiffany Haddish]

Isn't that Charlie's face?

[Brandy Howard]

Which one? No, it is the one on the left for sure. That she definitely becomes that.

[Tiffany Haddish]

It makes me laugh every time I play Sackboy now. I'm like, craig, it's time for a commercial. It's time for a crappin's commercial.

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[Tiffany Haddish]

So, yeah, she's crying. And they're like, guys, we have to go shoot. And they're like, no, we can't shoot because Charlie's still crying. And she's like, I just. I just hate him telling me over and over again, it wasn't Mexico. Wasn't Mexico. Like, okay, it was one foot, one foot out. Wasn't in Mexico. And I don't like you anymore. Like, just. I don't. I saw Mexico and I did not like you anymore. Just understand that. Geez.

[Brandy Howard]

I saw Mexico and I realized I needed to raise my standards from what I want out of a man. So that's why I'm dating Justin from Southern hospitality.

[Tiffany Haddish]

Exactly. I realized I wanted a real gentleman, so I went to Justin. So then on the stage, Craig is like, that's bullshit. Like, I was perfect up until then. And Madison's like, maybe not perfect. Maybe that's a little bar. Okay, well, but like, not enough that you're going to take some mishap and like, say it's over, like you were looking for a way out.

[Brandy Howard]

Well, no, no, it wasn't a mishap. You. She saw a glimpse into the future. A mishap is like, you had like, you came, you had like a drink with friends after, After. After work, and you said you come right back. I guess that would be like a mishap, but like, I tripped on a cobblestone. Yeah, cobblestone. The gilded ages has. Has many victims.

[Tiffany Haddish]

It won't leave us the gilded age. Also, it wasn't the first time it would. The party when you went off on Austin for like, a little jab that he had made and started screaming and yelling and acting like a crazy person. Then there was the dinner where you did the same thing. Then there was. When else did he do it? He did it multiple times. And she talked to him after those. Yeah, and she talked to them after those times. Like after the Austin one, she was like, O know, maybe could have handled that differently. I mean, she had to talk to you after multiple times of you doing this, Craig, that was just the last strawer.

[Brandy Howard]

Yeah, I, I think that, I think that the, this phrase of I was perfect until then, this is now he's. The second time he said it, I was perfect. I was doing so well. I was being perfect. To me, like, maybe that. What he's trying to say is, like, there, like, I. I was a great boyfriend. I was a great boyfriend. I had one mess up, but I was a great boyfriend. Maybe that's what he's saying. But to me, it's really coming off as like, hey, I was able to maintain this facade really well, and now I've messed up, you know, and like, it's just rubbing me the wrong way.

[Tiffany Haddish]

So he's making it sound like they have this long term thing going on. And they kept dating after Vegas, which was Bravocon. And she's saying no, because Sally says, you're up against Craig Conover. He's very good at manipulating and gaslighting, which, you know, is why I try and comfort him the whole, the whole episode. And Charlie's like, well, I mean, seriously, like, before Mexico, we would talk like every day. And then after Mexico, we talked one time, and that was the finale party that we all saw. So why is he making it sound like they have this long time? So crazy.

[Brandy Howard]

Because he wants to make himself look like the sweet guy who got, you know, victimized by some callous, fame starved woman. So they all returned to the set and Craig's like, it's just like a little unfair for you to say in Mexico, but it was okay. Okay, okay. Come on, guys. Come on. We have to go. Come on. We're back with the Southern drum reunion. Charlie, some lessons. First season for you. What have you learned? Yeah, I mean, I definitely had to work on my communication style like this season and my friendships. So yeah, yeah, it's like, okay, cool. Well, that's a nice, broad answer. Tensions threatened to rip this group apart. Shep had the idea to bring everyone on a restorative journey. But when explosive chaos ensued, the group probably needed a healing trip from their healing trip.

[Tiffany Haddish]

So he asked Shep about Austin and Craig's friendship. At the time, it seemed a little optimistic that you were trying to make this work. Why did you think it would be successful? And he's like, easy, because the best times we've been trapped, the best times we've ever had are when we're traveling. No one really cares how much Coke we do that usually brings us all together, Andy.

[Brandy Howard]

But it's some of our biggest fights also. I'm like, yeah, that you're part of, sir. So Jeff is like, so what? That's true. But it's all part of it. Yeah, well, you know what? So, like, what are you talking about? Well, Austin, you and Greg seem to be having fun at the start of the Mexico trip. How do you go from hating each other as enemies to being buddies? And was there ever any sexual gratification that there may be some footage of that I can see because I'm fucked in the head.

[Tiffany Haddish]

Heavy. That's basically it. Okay. You know, I was. We're going on the group death. It's like the pain of death going on the group strip. You know, I'm just trying to have fun. I'm going to do my thing. I'll worry about, you know, like, anything else. Like, I just want to have fun. That's like, really all I wanted to do. I just want to have some fucking fun, Andy. So you were forced to hang out with me. And then Whitner's like, oh, see this flip flopping? I mean, in this moment alone, they've gone from being at each other's throats to back in good graces. I mean, what the hell, guys?

[Brandy Howard]

I mean, it wasn't a great observation by me. Well, it seemed. It's what keeps us on the edge of our seats, though, Whitner, so. And by the way, I would be more than open to having you on the edge of my seat right now. Okay, Vanita, at the dinner, you brought up their relationship. And Rodrigo's like, no, she didn't. She basically said, girlfriend, Austin needs to stand up for himself. And obviously, you know, sashay, you stay. Shantay, you. You. You don't stay. So Craig took that implication like that, but he was like, no, Rodrigo, it's. I'm going to stop you. I was being messy. Yeah.

[Tiffany Haddish]

She was like, I knew what I was doing.

[Brandy Howard]

Yeah, I appreciate the defense. No, I was. I was being messy.

[Tiffany Haddish]

And Whitner's like, yeah. And Craig didn't just spout off entirely unprovoked. I mean, I looked at him and I said, we know that's about you. Well, Craig, walk us through what got you so upset. And he's like, I'm just sick of being meddled with and wait for it. It's my code word that you read in every comment. Standing up for me. I was poked and I was prodded. Thanks, Jack. Thanks for all those postings. You've made Jack, Austin and I. It seemed like, like, meddling of being like, well, you have to stand up to Craig. And I was like, I'm just so sick of everyone getting involved in my business.

[Brandy Howard]

Sally, did you think that Craig overreacted? I do. I think there were things he was making good points on, but he was delivering it completely wrong. Bonita's like, yeah, what you were saying was, like, really hurtful.

[Tiffany Haddish]

Well, Austin, do you think Craig's problem is his only his delivery or also the things that he says? Because I'm hearing a lot about delivery. Okay, but sometimes it's not ups. It's what you ordered from Amazon. Am I right, guys? And Austin's like, well, all the things he says. And then, you know, Craig knows. And chef's bragged about it too. Like, sorry to give you a stray, chef, but, you know, Shep brags about knowing the thing that'll cut you the deepest. And he's like, you know, piss me off enough and I'll say the things that'll cut you the deepest, you know? Well, Craig has that too, mostly because Shep tells him,

[Brandy Howard]

well, Vanita, well. Well, I really have no ill will towards you, and I thank you for all the words you said. But in the moment, what I was being told from Sally, like, Vanita said this, and Vanita said we can't hang out and message. And I was getting relieved. Was like, was that Vanita talks about you a lot. And so, like at dinner, like, after not saying anything all year, like, you're right. I guess, like, no, I mean, like, I. I guess I could have come to you and said, like, why are you meddling? This is like, Sally's fault. Can you believe it? She. Those chick, she killed the chickens. She's a chicken killer. Just want everyone to know.

[Tiffany Haddish]

Vanita's like, wow, is this some accountability coming from you? And he goes, yeah, well, look, I shouldn't have waited, but I guess I avoided it. Okay. Wow. Crap. Whoa. Okay, now let's talk about what happened in the van. He's. Oh, okay. It was terrible. I wasn't of right mind.

[Brandy Howard]

Yeah. But also, like, what was going through my head was like, damn, I'm kind of seeing what people warned me a little bit about you.

[Tiffany Haddish]

Huh?

[Brandy Howard]

It was hot. And Craig's like, yeah, Like, I was

[Tiffany Haddish]

like, he's mean, but he'd be a good daddy.

[Brandy Howard]

No, I mean, it just sucks to mess up, you know, because I hadn't done that for like two years, you know? Okay, but like, don't disregard Me like that. Because you still need to take accountability for your anger. And Rodrigo's like, I mean, talk about a tornado, girlfriend. That was a tornado. Yeah, it was like a psychotic break tornado. If. If Craig was the tornado, Austin was definitely the rain coming down. That's for sure. Just like, what?

[Tiffany Haddish]

Okay, whatever. Austin, you were silent in the van. Why? He's like, I was in the back, and I had, like, a hat pull down. And I was like, you know what? I don't want to fucking deal with this. Until it got to the point where Rob was like, please fucking help me, man. You hear me in the background? Snoring, mostly snoring. You heard me, right?

[Brandy Howard]

Hey, just so you know, Craig, if you have a real friend, they would have calmed you down versus let you continue to explode.

[Tiffany Haddish]

Oh, please, Madison. Stop standing up for shitty men. Especially when the one in question or one of the ones in question is one that you dump for being a shitty man, man.

[Brandy Howard]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tiffany Haddish]

Give me a break.

[Brandy Howard]

You're right. Like, a real friend also wouldn't be just screaming at people in the first place.

[Tiffany Haddish]

A real friend wouldn't be standing there telling someone who's obviously wrong that they're right over and over again and then saying if things like, if you had a real friend, just to watch them fight more and ruin their friendship further. Madison, sneak.

[Brandy Howard]

I just think. I just think that if I see a friend in that kind of situation where clearly he was, like, out of his. In his mind, I wouldn't have just, like, sat there and let him continue. Continue to do that. I would have just tried to calm him down. I'm like, the point is that everyone was scared of him, and they were just, like. They knew that there was no getting through to him. And they've been down this path before,

[Tiffany Haddish]

and you shouldn't have to calm him down. He's not the victim. He's victim. He's currently victimizing someone else. I mean, if anything, she should be like, yeah, why wasn't it. If Sally had any real friends, they would have been standing up for her instead of just watching her get yelled at and called to lose her over and over again in a tight space by a man standing over her and pointing his finger in her face and spitting all his coke. Spit all.

[Brandy Howard]

Yeah, you don't get it because you weren't there.

[Tiffany Haddish]

All right, all right, all right.

[Brandy Howard]

Shep, what's your take about this? You weren't in the van, but you heard about it. Gosh. Well, I know how painful it can be knowing that you're not quite sure what happened, but, you know, it was bad. And it's just such a helpless feeling. That's just such a lonely feeling. It must have been the same feeling that one felt in the rice patties of Vietnam. Gosh. Gosh, I just watched that documentary again. It feels so good. The Vietnam War. My can burns. Watch it.

[Tiffany Haddish]

Everyone pretend I just said that. But I'm in sepia tone. Gosh. And Craig's like, well, that's not a fun place for anyone I know. But it's warranted and you earned it. But it's this inner turmoil and you just can't get rid of it. And it takes time to get rid of it. I've been there before, but now look, I'm Shep, the good person of the season.

[Brandy Howard]

Yeah, I didn't drink that much in years. And I mean, I was just in a place that, like, no one should be in. Craig, you were drinking all season, okay?

[Tiffany Haddish]

You were like that all last year and this year. What do you think? Even last year, when everyone's like, he was sober. He was not sober. He was like, I'm just drinking, like, wine and beer now instead of cocaine and tequila.

[Brandy Howard]

I was just, like, kind of emotionally spent and drank, like, entirely way too much. And it triggered, like, a legit meltdown. And obviously, if it wouldn't. If I. If I wouldn't have drinking anything, it wouldn't have happened. And it sucks. And, like, that's on me. And it's, like, very embarrassing. Although Sally is the one who did make me drink. But then, like, yeah, like, I wouldn't, like, but, like, would I ever be drinking for, like, 16 hours straight without food and water? And it's like, Greg, you make it sound like you're deprived natural resources. And Andy's like, before Bethany Franklin writes a certainly worded letter towards me, I want to say we did provide lots of food and beverage for you. And here's some footage. And they, like, show footage of, like, to tons of food all day long that there was.

[Tiffany Haddish]

And I'm glad you point. I'm glad that he picked that up and you picked that up because that's exactly what Craig was trying to do. Like, what other situation would I be in where they're plying me with drinks for 16 hours a day, not letting me eat or drink? Like, he knows what he's doing. And Andy's like, no, no, sorry. We gotcha. So he's like, well, you know, I don't want it to seem like you were all put in a cage with tequila, not allowed to eat or drink. Okay, you're not Leah. And Craig's like, well, I don't mean that. Well, that's what you made it sound like, Craig. Okay, Reality reckoning is on pause. Okay. Sally's like, well, all of us were having the same thing. No one had a freak out like that.

[Brandy Howard]

Come on, Andy. I think it's more of an anger issue than an alcohol issue. Girlfriend. I just think you need to be better at controlling your anger.

[Tiffany Haddish]

Yeah, I like this from Rodrigo because Rodrigo honestly doesn't add that much. But I like this call out of Craig because Craig is still trying to turn it. Well, it's the alcohol, Andy. You know, it's just I'm constantly working on my addiction. It's like, no, you're an asshole. You're just admit to being an asshole.

[Brandy Howard]

Well, but also like, Craig is kind of doing the inverse of the argument we're seeing more of, which is like, I'm not an alcoholic. I just have issues on the inside I have to deal with. Which is like what Karen Huger said. But Craig's like, like, no, I don't have anger issues. It's the alcohol that's the problem. Like, no one wants to address what the real issue is here. Yeah, and Sally was. Sally's saying, like, yeah, like, that was a terrible night. But there have been other nights where you did this. And like, I don't think that's. It's like you're drinking. I think it is your anger. And so Andy's like, well, Greg, your apology to Sally, was that enough to repair your friendship? She goes, I don't know if we're completely repaired in our friendship. Sally, you look nice today. Okay, we're back, baby. We're back.

[Tiffany Haddish]

I'm pregnant. I'm pregnant. I just got pregnant. And she's like, you know, I don't think you really came out of your way to apologize to me. And Charlie's like, yeah, like, I thought he would, like, address the group just because it was like, kind of the elephant in the room. And like, then I thought, like, him, you know, and I would have a separate conversation because, like, I was in the van too. Like, where's my apology for him yelling at Sally? You know? And he's like, well, there was some extreme avoidance, but I was just in shock. Like, how did I let myself get to this point of being starved by real food from people forcing me to drink while I was being love bombed and gas lit commercials.

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[Tiffany Haddish]

Austin, you said apologies from Craig are meaningless. What did you mean? What do you think, Andy? It's not coded.

[Brandy Howard]

It's pretty on the nose. It's not an episode so many times and like, I know that Craig man, like sits here and cops to it and he's like, I know I should have done that and I shouldn't have done that. But sometimes it's just like, how many more times does that happen? Like, you know, he yelled at me at my birthday dinner. He yelled at Vanita at the dinner and then totally told them you had a meltdown on one. And one day it's like, holy. Like, just like a lot. You recognize it Short. He's like, well, there's like, nothing I can do but to continue to work on myself. You're not working on yourself.

[Tiffany Haddish]

Trademark. I'm just a work in progress.

[Brandy Howard]

D. But your therapist is chat GPT. You're not working on yourself. You're entering in prompts and you're probably entering in prompts that are going to make you look good to chat GPT. And chatGPT is like, that was a great story you told and it wasn't your fault that you yelled at everyone on a van. You were being love bombed. And it's a natural response to scream at people when that stuff happens. You're doing great, Craig. Wow.

[Tiffany Haddish]

Oh, yeah. We'll see when we get to the alcohol discussion in a minute how great that Siri therapy is going. So Whitner's like, well, the problem is it feels more than lip service. It feels more like lip service because you say apologies and he goes, you know What? You don't even know how much work I've done on myself. And he goes, yeah, we don't know because we're not in the room with you when you're at the therapist. He goes, okay, but, like, when you say his lip service, like, I'm sorry it feels that way, but there's no way for me to prove it to you, Craig. You prove the work you've done on yourself by not being a fucking asshole. That's how you prove it. No one has to be in the therapy room. So Madison's like, well, I just think we need to accept him for who he is. Neither. Like it or not, Madison, when have you ever done that? When have you ever had a problem with someone that you were just like, well, I'm going to accept it. You don't. You go on a war path and you ruin their ass.

[Brandy Howard]

She just loves that Craig gives Austin the business. That's, like, her favorite thing to watch. So, yeah, Austin's like, except what? That our friend is an God. This show, man. You know, like, maybe this isn't right for me. Like, maybe I just shouldn't be here. Sounds like you guys need someone else to get love bombed on tv.

[Tiffany Haddish]

Oh, no, Craig, don't quit. Like, what, is everybody supposed to start crying? They're just like, okay, bye.

[Brandy Howard]

Yeah.

[Tiffany Haddish]

And he's like, I mean, maybe I would love to figure out a way to be able to enjoy this again and not feel like I'm always. Like, everyone's against me. Like, even if it's in my own head, like, no matter what your feelings are, you got to have healthy ways to process them. And I didn't realize that, like, I just bottle it up. And then, you know, like, when you get so out of control, there's no more bottling, and it comes out in a horrible way. It's like Austin said, beer. It's no longer bottling.

[Brandy Howard]

And it comes out in a horrible way, as in, it winds up down people's throats. It's disgusting. So Molly's like, well, hi. I'm actually still here. And I used to have anger management issues, and anger is almost always a secondary emotion stemming from, you know, hurt or fear or whatever. So, yeah, it just, like, rules you. Wow. Yeah, well, that night in the van, I was already feeling rejected. Like Charlie said, she was one foot in, one foot out. And I think, like, that had already triggered a losing control response.

[Tiffany Haddish]

Wait, can we pause here? I'm sorry to interrupt, but when. Why was he feeling rejected? None of this stuff with Charlie had happened.

[Brandy Howard]

No, it's a lie. He's just using the information he just got. He is an AI bot. He is using the new information he just found on the web, AKA at this reunion. And now he's hallucinating because he is.

[Tiffany Haddish]

That didn't happen.

[Brandy Howard]

No, it did not happen at all. And now it's Charlie's fault. It's Charlie's fault. I must have, on some level, been feeling rejected because I was feeling, like, rejected by her. And, like, I think that, like, triggered a losing control response because I had just been very sure about something for three years, and then it was gone. So this is. Now you can blame Page for this as well. Yeah.

[Tiffany Haddish]

Now it's all the women's fault.

[Brandy Howard]

Something that you were very sure of, even though there's, like, three years of footage of you saying things like, I can't wait till we get married someday, and Paige going, gross.

[Tiffany Haddish]

I feel like I was losing my grasp on, like, Charlie, and I was blaming, you know, the situation and the environment, and I freaked out. Okay, well, where do you go from here? Well, I mean, just redirect, you know, and talks with my therapist. You know, I know it takes a lot of natural resources, but I never understood that it could be, like, an anger issue. You know, I always thought it was like. Like losing control. And Andy goes, you've never talked to your therapist about any of this? And he's like, well, you know, the last time I was with her, I said, what? That song by Stevie Nicks about windmills.

[Brandy Howard]

You mean Landslide, baby. It's not windmills. No, about the thunder and the raining.

[Tiffany Haddish]

How come it only thunders when it rains? Hey. So, like, you know, I just focused on, like, if I didn't drink, then it wouldn't be an issue, but then I could have. Maybe it was just, like, you're suppressing other stuff, but, like, then you can't present, prevent stress from happening, and you can't prevent environments from changing on you. And I need to have the tools to deal with it, like alcohol. So I didn't get to apologize to everyone, Obviously, I'm sorry, you know, and I'll just try my hardest to make sure that it never happens again. You just, like, blamed in this answer, you blame two women.

[Brandy Howard]

Yeah. This is such a bad apology. But also, like, he clearly does not go to therapy. There's just no way that he's been going to therapy through all of this. And anger has not been brought up like that. Just. You can't tell these stories. You can't Tell the stories of your life, or he can't tell the stories of his life. And the therapist never touches on anger.

[Tiffany Haddish]

Like, and to literally say, I've never correlated the drinking with anger issues. What? No therapist has ever mentioned that to you?

[Brandy Howard]

Like, really? You may not have correlated it, but a therapist, it's like, it's. It's as blatant. I mean, like, all the stories of Craig are how he blows up. You have people telling you. You scream, we're scared of you. We're scared of you. And you never think once to yourself, oh, I may have anger issues. Oh, there's something is going on that's deeper. Like, for sure. Within, like, one or two sessions. A therapist would have isolated that. So he's clearly just going to his chat GPT or going to, like, a life coach or something. Or like a Jack. Like, I don't know Jack.

[Tiffany Haddish]

He's going to Jack. I mean, we saw him go to a therapist one time on this show. Do you remember? And he was like, yeah, well, like, I'm a really good liar. Like, I can lie about anything. And people always believe he's bragging to the therapist. And the therapist face was like this.

[Brandy Howard]

She's like.

[Tiffany Haddish]

She was like, what the. She was horrified. Like, I've never seen a therapist actually look horrified on TV before. That was crazy.

[Brandy Howard]

Yeah.

[Tiffany Haddish]

Well, all right.

[Brandy Howard]

This season we saw challenges to both old and new friendships. That test had the very fabric of your relationships. But. So before we go, I want to give you one last opportunity to clear the air. Madison, you're living the dream. New house, new baby. What's next for you? Another baby. Okay, great. And hot girl Summer. Okay, we really don't have to keep saying hot girl Summer on Bravo. Okay. We could pretty much. We could end that now, right? No. Anyone? Rodrigo, what about you?

[Tiffany Haddish]

Yeah, they're asking Rodrigo. Maybe he'll tie the knot next season. Nobody cares. Molly, you. You sing now. And she's like, yeah, maybe I'm gonna song right now. Like, you know, no one really sings to the tuba. And then Andy, Sally, and about Vanita and Charlie, like, what has she learned about female friendship? And she's like, well, you know, there will last forever. You know, hard ons go down, but girlfriends are always there to steal your heart on.

[Brandy Howard]

Yes. And if there's anything that Bravo has proven to us time and time again is that the most resilient thing are female friendships.

[Tiffany Haddish]

So anything you want to say to Craig and Charlie? And Charlie's like, no. Like, at the end of the day, like, you get nothing for nothing, and that's all you can save for the life of the poor. Like, I do see Craig as a friend. I just. I feel like we had a good friendship, you know, before when we were all hanging out, and I just, like. I don't know, like, I wish him the best. Like, yeah, that's it.

[Brandy Howard]

Vanita, it seems like you and Craig have made some headway tonight. Yeah, I mean, a little. In a good way, though. I mean, I'm not gonna lie and be like, yeah, we're at 100, but I'm positive for things and a better outcome and hopefully getting invited to the hot tub. I'm ready when Vanita is just kidding. She's never allowed in.

[Tiffany Haddish]

Okay.

[Brandy Howard]

Austin, do you think that you and Greg made any progress today? I think there's been some peace in my life from us, but, you know, we kind of operate, like, in a group chat and, like, things like that. But, like, you know, we have buffers. You know, it's been, like, a bit more peaceful that way. And I just think that, like, maybe I'll remain that way for a little bit of time. So, you know, I don't know when, like. But, like, for now, I'm just like, a cat dad. I'm gonna take care of Piper and Martini. Yeah. Yeah.

[Tiffany Haddish]

So they're both like, that guy. His answer was basically like, nope. Still hate him. All right, Craig, next steps with Austin. Well, like, we need space, so maybe we can relearn each other. He's not going to therapy, but he is, like, getting tick tock therapy because he's learned a lot of therapy speak, you know? Yeah, we just need to relearn each other. I was triggered.

[Brandy Howard]

Yeah. We need to date again. It's like, okay, winner. What do you think he's like? Well, you know, Craig is who Craig is, and, like, tigers are not changing their stripes. Oh, something's only about Troy. It's like, carl, get out of here. Yeah. And we, like, almost. It was close,

[Tiffany Haddish]

so.

[Brandy Howard]

Yeah, we had that tiger. You know, we like that the tiger's working on changing his stripes. And, you know, it's just whether or not those people fit in each other's lives, you know? All right. Will you ever give up on Austin and Craig's friendship? And do we think that you're gonna have a terribly toxic season next season? Because you kind of are up. He's a. Gosh, no. Look at me. I'm a nice guy. I'm in the middle of the sofa. Wow. Oh, I could be the bridge and sort of advocate for each other for the other one. Right?

[Tiffany Haddish]

Okay. I'm gonna give the toast for the evening because that's my thing. I knew a girl, she had a tuba. Everybody's lame. So I go to Cuba. Wow. I'm basically Cuban. Cheers, everybody.

[Brandy Howard]

Gosh, Whitney just pops up. Molly, are you gonna eat all that cupcake that ended just gave you?

[Tiffany Haddish]

And that brings us to the end of the Southern charm season, everybody. When does the valley start? Is it next week?

[Brandy Howard]

Next Wednesday? Yeah. Yeah. April turnover. Yep. Very exciting. Thanks, everyone for being here. And we will catch you on the next episode of Watch what Happens, which most most likely will be Southern hospitality. Bye, everyone.

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