#3284 Ladies of London S4E05: Nouveau Riche Reach

Summary

Watch What Crappens — Podcast Episode #3284: "Ladies of London S4E05: Nouveau Riche Reach" (March 27, 2026)

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Main Theme / Purpose

In this episode, Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam recap and comedically dissect Season 4, Episode 5 ("Nouveau Riche Reach") of "Ladies of London." Their irreverent take explores the dualities of old-money vs. new-money, expat social climbing, etiquette-obsessed parenting, puppet-related career pivots, and inter-friend group dramatics. The hosts savor every moment of awkward British/American culture clash, endless staircases, and rival dinner parties—bantering in their signature mix of praise, evisceration, and delightful absurdity.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Driving in London (02:58 - 07:01)

• Culture Clash Comedy: The hosts relish the opening montage of various cast members (especially American expat Micah) struggling with the horror of driving in London and British car etiquette.
  • Ben: "These people on this show just lean into being like wealthy and out of touch and they're proud of it. Like, 'Oh no, driving. Disgusting.'" [04:03]
• Instructor Politeness vs. American Chaos: The subdued driving instructor is contrasted with Micah's frantic American energy.
• Brits vs. Americans, Behind the Wheel: Ben and Ronnie roast Micah’s claim of being a great driver, both agreeing she probably just drives slowly in the left lane.

2. Fish & Chips and Etiquette Chat (07:01 - 10:58)

• Eggs & Ketchup: The oddity of American food habits versus British norms surfaces when Micah asks about ketchup on eggs, met with disgust.
• Etiquette Instructor Mom Struggles: Ben lampoons Martha’s woes about balancing etiquette teaching and motherhood, poking fun at her "universal mom" struggles encoded in British snobbery.
  • "If I ever say ‘three is such a difficult age,’ it’s because I’m just giving you a generic response to your already very boring story about your children." — Ben [08:07]

3. Micah’s Puppet Show Project (09:13 - 10:58, 48:19 - 49:22)

• "A TV Show...With Puppets": Micah pitches her years-in-the-making puppet show to bemused friends, prompting legendary eye-rolling:
  • "Would it be wrong to say that I would much prefer hearing about someone's brother getting shot 10 times in the street than listening to this?" — Rondell [10:48]
• Daughter’s Judgment: The hosts delight in British-raised children’s dry reactions to their American parents’ antics.

4. Dinner, Rival Meals, and Social Group Splits (12:02 - 39:03)

• Gender Reveal Party at Joshua's Estate (20:02 - 22:33):
  • The cohort head to a "TikTok-fueled" gender reveal—Ben denounces American gender reveals as unnecessary exports, apologizing on behalf of all Americans.
  • Best quote: "Mini suits. They're gonna wake up in the middle of the night, be like, mini suits, mini suits, mini suits. This is gonna be the best dressed baby." — Ben [22:33]
• Margot’s $60,000-a-Month Pastel Mansion (23:12 - 24:56):
  • Ronnie and Ben roast her nouveau riche extravagance, comment incessantly on the dangerous staircases, and joke the house is "not child-safe, but it is rich-lady-safe."
• Cross-Group Snipes:
  • There’s clear tension between American expats "clawing for reality star fame" and posh Brits clutching their lineages.
  • Epic snark from Kimmy: "I'm not a polite person...but I am a loyal person...And now she's almost shitless. She's on my shit list, and she's fucks." [19:06]
• Parallel Dinner Parties (32:18 - 39:03):
  • Emma’s gathering is light, canapés, Aperol-infused cakes, and effortless hospitality.
  • Margot struggles to host, with guests listless over her "non-alcoholic wine tasting," waiting for real wine, and climbing endless stairs.

5. Best Moments & Quotes

Muppet/Muppet-Host Comparison (45:07)

• Emma on Martha and Kimmy: "I see them as a double R. Tweedledum. Like those stupid American Muppets that sit in the theater. You know, the two old men." [45:07]
• Ronnie: "It's perfect for us because we are those Muppets."

Fashion Wars & Trash Bag Insults (35:24 - 37:53)

• Kimmy savages Margot's LA jumpsuit style:
  • "She has bad style. Really bad style. No, she fucking does not. Hideous...She's one of the most stylish women in the world." — Kimmy & Martha [36:15]
• Rondell: "The girl dresses like a trash bag." [37:27]

6. Conflict, Loyalty, and Social Maneuvering (41:54 - 54:45)

• The core group tries to hash out past offenses (including the infamous "your brother got killed" comment).
• Kimmy admits to being "a little bitchy," while Missy feels both insulted and weirdly validated after their heart-to-heart.
• "I love how she turned it around like that. That was so funny. And she's like, but you did judge me. Just. Well, all right, well, I'm a little bitchy, too." — Rondell [52:27]
• Plot mechanics are classic reality TV: the message-bearer (Martha) starts the fire, but reparations and new conflicts quickly shift focus.

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Notable Timestamps & Segment Highlights

| Timestamp | Segment / Quote | |-------------|--------------------------------------------------------------| | 02:58-07:01 | Driving in London chaos, instructor indifference | | 09:13 | Micah’s puppet show pitch meets blank stares | | 12:44 | British adoption of American-worthy gender reveals | | 14:21-14:53 | Boasting about nannies, comparing old money/new money | | 20:53-22:33 | Gender reveal cake (mini-suit dreams) | | 23:12-24:56 | Margot’s extravagant, impractical house | | 32:18-39:03 | Two dueling dinner parties: Emma’s effortless vs. Margot’s chaotic | | 45:07 | "Two Muppets in the theater" comparison | | 46:05-47:59 | Corgi/Maltese/doggy personality banter | | 52:27-53:14 | Kimmy turns the apology into an insult/admission |

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Tone & Atmosphere

• Irreverent, Witty, Snarky: As always, Ben and Ronnie riff in sharp-witted banter, balancing affection for their subjects with biting mockery.
• Warm Insider Knowledge: Knowledge of franchise tropes and British/expat culture shines.
• No Dead Air: Each scene is fodder for a punchline—little escapes scrutiny, from puppet-centric careers to the staging of country estates.

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Memorable Quotes

• “Mini suits. This baby's gonna be a suit for life.” — Ben [22:33]
• “Would it be wrong to say that I would much prefer hearing about someone's brother getting shot 10 times in the street than listening to this [puppet show pitch]?” — Rondell [10:48]
• "We are those two Muppets." — Ronnie [45:37]
• "The girl dresses like a trash bag." — Rondell [37:27]
• "My mom had four kids and did it all on her own. The only assistant she had was a very aggressive set of bangs." — Ben [14:41]

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Final Thoughts and Forward Look

• Ben and Ronnie express hope that the central friendships (“the Muppets”—Martha and Kimmy) survive the petty, escalating drama, but acknowledge the genre’s cycle of besties-turned-enemies.
• Tease mid-season chaos—escalating spats, outfit-related fights, and promises of even zanier cross-cultural Melrose Place energy to come.

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Summary Table

| Section | Details | |----------------------------------|-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | Driving in London | Americans struggle, Brits judge, host snark ensues | | Gender Reveal & Estates | OTT celebrations, old vs. new money, mini-suit obsession | | Puppet Show Plotline | Bewildered reactions, dry British kid disdain, hosts' incredulity | | Dinner Party Duality | Hostmanship contrasts: Emma’s English finesse vs. Margot’s new-wealth spectacle | | Style & Loyalty Conflicts | Jumpsuit/trash bag fashion war, Muppets-on-Muppets, shifting alliances | | Finale & Future Prediction | Making up, new targets set, ‘classic reality’ mechanics explained |

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Perfect For:

• Listeners who love Bravo recaps laced with roasting and warmth
• Fans wanting a social satire on British-American high society
• Anyone needing comic relief with their reality TV analysis

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Transcript

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[Ben]

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[Rondell]

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[Ben]

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[Rondell]

Well, hello everybody. Happy Friday to you. Welcome to Watch what crap ins. This is Rondell and that's Mendel over there. Hi Ben, how are you?

[Ben]

Hi. Great. How are you doing?

[Rondell]

Good. Everybody, welcome to Ladies of London Day. If you want this as a video recap or you want ad free listening or you want our bonus episodes, next week's about Toritos. I mean a survivor. It's going to be a good one. Or you want our free newsletter and all that good stuff, go over to patreon.com watch watch grapplings and become a member. And just a tip, just a tip. It's better if you do it on your computer because it's cheaper. They Charge you more to do it through the Apple Store. So go sign up on your computer browser and then enter that info, your signup info into the app and then boom, you are. You have a huge discount automatically because Apple will rob you. Okay, now welcome to Ladies of London Season 4, Episode 5, Martha in the Mid Middle.

[Ben]

Oh, Martha. God. Just want to say one more time. It's funny. I. I meant it like, oh my God, but I said God as if I was addressing God. But I will address God. God, thank you for this show. This show's great. So we start with shots of traffic and it's like, this is Dara, except it says driving in London. And now we find out what it's like to drive in London. And Micah's like, I am a great driver in America. I am a horrible driver in the uk, by the way. I don't believe you're a great driver in America. I believe you drive slowly in the left lane.

[Rondell]

I believe that as well. This is a nice change from the usual housewives teaching my teenager to drive and just watching an American tried to drive instead. And it's pretty funny. And she's with a really low key driving instructor who's just like disgusted with her. She's like, yes, God. She's like, oh, my God. Oh my God. I keep forgetting the doors on this side of the God. Embarrassing. Awful. Die. Please die. How did we lose an entire war against you morons?

[Ben]

This instructor is so polite that she won't even give Micah notes about anything she's doing wrong until afterwards. Like, at one point, Micah nearly like crashes into something. She's like, oh, my God, I almost crashed into something. She's like, oh, yes. I was about to say you're about to crash. It's like, as the instructor, you're supposed to say, stop. You know? But what I loved about this sequence and what I love about this show is that these people on this show just lean into being like wealthy and out of touch and they're like, proud of it. Like, they're like, oh, no. Driving. No, of course I didn't drive. Disgusting. You know? Whereas, like, if it was on the Real Housewives, it'd be like, I love to drive. One of my favorite things to do is go to a store of grocery because I'm of the people. And you're like, no, you're not. But like, you're. They're like, ew, disgusting. No, put me in the back seat.

[Rondell]

So they're asking the ladies about their driving and they ask Martha first and she's like, of course I drive. I'm a terrible driver, but I'm a confident driver. They show her little Pinto, like, coming down the street with, like, smoke blowing out the tailpipe. You know, like, people ducking, thinking there's gunshots in the street. It's like, oh, you know, I'm terrible, but I'm confident. And Mark's like, oh, no, you don't drive. You sit in the back seat, you make your phone calls, you do whatever it is you have to do, and then you get out sounding like it's like pooping. It's like, oh, God, it's disgusting. I can't believe I go through that human custom every morning.

[Ben]

Emma's like, well, I take taxis and I walk. And we have a driver to get to the country, obviously. Like, I mean, what are you talking about? Like, obviously, everyone has a driver to go to the country, so, darling, even

[Rondell]

our rhinoceros has a driver.

[Ben]

It's another rhinoceros, which is lovely. They keep themselves employed.

[Rondell]

So back to Micah and Nisha, the driver, the driving instructor. She's like, I've never gotten one speeding ticket in the United States of America, but in London, if I get one more, I lose my license. Whoa. Yeah, you. You need to stop back there. She's like, oh, my God, is that like a stop section? Is that what all those yellow line means?

[Ben]

Whoops. She says, I mean, they're real sticklers here with their rules and their etiquette in there. I mean, the Brits, I mean, wow. I'm like, no, they probably just know that you're an American driver and are going to give you a lot of tickets. They're probably targeting you just to get

[Rondell]

you off the road.

[Ben]

They're like, oh, God, we don't need another American with their driving on the left, the right side of the road. Bullshit. Give them enough tickets so they're not legally allowed to do the same thing in this country.

[Rondell]

Red lights mean green. She's like, oh, gotta. So I thought, love. She's trying to do a 20 point turn and the instructor's like, you don't want to hit the pavement. Could I get a ticket for hitting the pavement? Technically, no, but it is considered disgusting. Oh, damn it.

[Ben]

So now we go to a fish and chips restaurant where Micah, Martha and Kimmy are meeting. And Micah's like, they're looking at some ketchup. There's some ketchup on the table. Micah's like, do you guys put ketchup on eggs? They both go, no,

[Rondell]

it's just so weird.

[Ben]

It's just like asking if you can have a driver.

[Rondell]

The whole conversation's weird. They sit down and Kimmy's like, oh, I love ketchup. I just love it. I'll put ketchup on ketchup from my ride. So, yeah, she tries to open it up. She's like, do you put it on your eggs?

[Ben]

And like, oh, God now. Disgusting. That's like asking about ketchup in your blog. To blog. Who would ever.

[Rondell]

So what have you been up to? Well, I feel really tired today. Martha's just like, do you? Yeah, really tired. You guys, my three year old woke up four times in the night. It's like one of those, oh, three is such a difficult age. So you wake up with your children. Why are you living in the same apartment as your children? Disgusting behavior.

[Ben]

I just want to say, if I ever say three is such a difficult age, it's because I'm just giving you a generic response to your already very boring story about your children. More blanc to blanc, please.

[Rondell]

I mean, there's so much pressure being an etiquette instructor and having children. Oh my God, I can't, it's. I can't. With her strife of being an etiquette teacher in Britain. It's so embarrassing. It's so embarrassing. Why don't you go teach Greek people how to make souvlaki?

[Ben]

I mean, you don't understand. It's one of the most high pressure situations you can be in to be an etiquette instructor and to have children. People think I have these perfect little beings that like, don't speak and are like, just, just wonderful. You know, all the British etiquette instructors are like, well, yes, that's how you do it. It's like, but I, I can't, I don't know how to do it. Like, I have all the same issues as every other mom in America has. The key is mom in America. Right, child? See? No response in improv. You know, in, in, in Britain, we. This is how we do our improv. Yes. Notice there's no end.

[Rondell]

Well, etiquette is really about treating everyone around you with kindness and respect and thinking of other people first. I don't know, do I need to open the definition? And Micah's like, guys, well, I've been working on, get this, it's a TV show and it involves, wait for it, puppets. And just Kimmy's face is just like

[Ben]

her lip droops more than usual.

[Rondell]

So puppets.

[Ben]

You put mayonnaise on the. Pop it. Because let Me tell you something, if the puppet doesn't have mayonnaise on it, I'm not gonna fuck it.

[Rondell]

So we see Micah doing her puppet show thing on the set. And she's asking her daughter. She's like, do you want to hear my voice for gibber? It's like this. Hello, my name is Jibber. And it just cuts to the daughter looking at her like, oh, Mommy. Oh, you're terrible at this. Because, of course, she's raising British children now.

[Ben]

Yes.

[Rondell]

She's like, oh, you're disgusting. Still putting ketchups on your eggs, are we, Mummy?

[Ben]

This is quite American of you. Could you please stop? So then Micah's like, yeah. So every episode has a different theme. One theme is how to give walkie talkies to someone. Another is how to react when that person calls. You cringe. It's a huge undertaking, and we've been working on it for years. Years and years. You know, Kimmy's like, wow, so you've been working on a papa show for years. Wow. Well, okay. I don't really. I'm not often at a loss for words, but I think here, I really don't know what to say. So I'll just say, oh, that's a good idea for someone.

[Rondell]

Would it be wrong to say that? I would much prefer hearing about someone's brother getting shot 10 times in the street than listening to this.

[Ben]

Yeah, that's not so bad.

[Rondell]

So did you guys have fun yesterday? Yes, I had a great time. Oh, it was so much fun. Thank you. And they're talking about the model naked painting ceremony thing, and Martha's like, yes, I think Mark was a little surprised to see a penis there. A little willy. Well, I was surprised when he started painting a hydrangea.

[Ben]

But to be fair, for him, it was a really nice hydrangea. Yes, it was really nice. Well, I thought he, of all people, might be into it. Yeah, well, I think that, you know, I thought he and Lottie were a bit shy. It's like, oh, yes, they were. And I mean, like, she's pregnant. So you know how pregnant women are disgusting. Right? Well, I was gonna say, I don't judge pregnant women because they're in a whole different ball game. As in, they're not getting a lot of balls in them, are they? You just did a. You just did a Kimmy joke. Yes, I did.

[Rondell]

So then we go to Missy's apartment, and she's got all these baked goods set out, and Lottie and Margot are coming over. The. Lottie's getting hot she's like, are you kidding? Missy says, what are you getting, thrush? And she's like, flush, flush. Thrush is something else. None of that now. None of that, girls. So she's getting her nails done for her gender reveal party and she's like, gender reveals are definitely more of an American thing, but they're becoming more. More unpopular in England because of, you know, Tik Tok culture. And so everyone wants to have something to show, don't they? It's not every day you marry Moaning Myrtle.

[Ben]

Just wanted to say to England, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. We don't like the gender reveals here in America either. And I appreciate you trying to have like a moment of cross cultural understanding or appreciation or participation. You don't have to do this. You don't, you don't. Please, please don't do the gender reveals.

[Rondell]

This TikTok culture, even a thing. I was watching, I mean, still, because I know it is a thing, but I was watching Secret Lives of Mormon Wives the other day. I just started season four and now the dads are doing their, like, dad talk. It's a serious business. And so half the episode is the guys being like, dad talk. We got to talk about dad talk business. Because women don't own Tick Tock. I'm like, oh, yes, they fucking. You better get your ass off this Tick Tock. I'm never watching this again. They couldn't get me to delete Tik Tok with all of this that they've been saying. Like, they're stealing your information. They're, you know, they're making AI videos out of your face or whatever the they've been telling us for the past four years. But now I'm gone. I'm deleting that. If I have to be subjected to dad talk, I'm out of here. Tik Tok culture is not about that.

[Ben]

That shows Jump the Shark, it sounds like. So Missy is like, oh, so Lottie, are you go. Are you guys not going to have any help with the baby? She's like, well, I don't know. I haven't booked any help, you know, but like, are you saying, do you recommend help or you just after not having help or just. Are you just recommending? She's like, no. Yeah. With my son, River, I actually never had help, but I did it mostly myself. See, I want to do that, but I know it's unrealistic between, you know, Tim Burton suit making and just being quiet. It's difficult to have time to raise a Child.

[Rondell]

Well, I had full time help. I had three nannies, 24 7. Margot, she's like bragging all the time, you know, which they point out episode. And it's really funny to see that now she's like, yeah, I had full time help. Like, constant help. They were always there. I mean, they're right there. They're right. I'm not even sitting on a chair. I'm sitting on some help. Thank you. Thank you. I'm rich.

[Ben]

I certainly didn't grow up with butlers and night nurses and things. My mom had four kids and did it all on her own. The only assistant she had was a very aggressive set of bangs.

[Rondell]

Well, you and Kimmy, you're. You're like on good terms now, Missy. And she's like, oh, yeah. I mean, well, I'm not on good. You know, I don't know where we stand because she had, you know, she kind of said, sorry, not sorry, kind of. And so we flash back to Kim being like, well, I don't think it's cool to tell me that. I can't say that I don't want to sit at a lunch that's very dark. And I apologize if that hurts her feelings, but that's just who I am.

[Ben]

So Missy was unsatisfied with this. And so now we go back to the other lunch. By the way, this entire episode is like rival meals. And it's basically like the cool, fun people and the boring people. And by boring, there. No, there's actually no boring people on the show, which is amazing. But we know, like, there's a group that we like, and it's the group that's like, they. They're like the lame people, right?

[Rondell]

There's like the rich English people, and then there are the American transplants who are just like desperate for any kind of reality star fame, you know? And Missy.

[Ben]

And Missy.

[Rondell]

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[Ben]

So Kimmy's like, well I actually went outside the other day and I said missy, listen, I apologize if I offended you. I didn't mean to offend you and your stupid druggie brother, but you know, it's just who I am. She's like, well oh, Mike is like, well I'm so glad you said that. Yeah, I mean, who. I do have a problem now. It's fucking Margo. Right? But you say everything to people's faces. She didn't know it was a secret. Yeah, but obviously it upset the girl. Like she's actually repeated something and made into something way bigger than it is. Well, I said okay, a drug. He got murdered.

[Rondell]

Blah blah blah.

[Ben]

Who hasn't been murdered, am I right? She earned a whole big thing and it wasn't necessary. So if anybody hurt hurt Missy. Who is Margot?

[Rondell]

Margo does not give a flying about Missy, okay? Or what happened to Ms. I. Margot just wants to make a scene. Then Kimmy's like, I don't trust her. I don't trust the Micah's like, you know Margot very very well, Martha, so. And you know Kimmy very, very well. And knowing both lions in this fight, how would you say it's like, well I think this is going to go down to the wire, man. I mean they'll end up wrestling. I could, I could try and peacekeep, but I don't think it's gonna work. So I've both given them knives and keys to my apartment. And I said, do what you will,

[Ben]

ladies, whoever emerges with the most eyeballs and tacts wins. Listen, if I get involved, I'm gonna somehow get it wrong and they both get a turn on me and I don't want Any part of it. Which is why in the next scene, you'll see me directly, call Margot and tell her ex everything that Kimmy just said.

[Rondell]

Well, I'm not gonna turn on you. I'm not a PC person. I'm not a polite person, but I'm not. But I am a loyal person. And anything I say, I'm a girl's girl. I have no tolerance for that. And now she's almost shitless. She's on my shit list, and she's fucks.

[Ben]

She's fucked. I loved it. Now we go over. She just gets so dramatic.

[Rondell]

It's hilarious. She started off the scene by going like, tell me. Tell me about your puppet business. And by the end, she's like, oh, yeah, she can fuck herself. And she's fucking.

[Ben]

She really did. I mean, actually, technically, she started the scene saying, listen, if a guy doesn't eat meat and doesn't eat mayonnaise, I'm out of the date and settlements.

[Rondell]

I mean, vegan. What is a vegan? Exactly? I'm not gonna talk to a vegan. I mean, they can probably keep their penis hard for about 30 seconds.

[Ben]

Now we go to Oxford, and we're at Joshua's family estate, and it's the gender reveal party that they're doing. And what's so funny is that, like, you know, Joshua and Lottie, I actually really love them. This. Like, normally they. I feel like on a different show, I'd be like, ugh. These would be, like, the pretentious Alex and Simon McCord's. But I do really like them, and I love their. Like, the suits are amazing. Like, I. They're just so perfectly tailored. And I love that. He also clearly made suits for his mom and his sister or his aunt or whoever it was, because his mom has, like, the same sort of, like, shiny material fitted suit with a pointy lapel and everything. So I love that he just, like, keeps making blazers for people and they. This is the gender reveal. And Lottie's done some tarot cards, and the tarot cards say that she's having a boy, but will she have a boy?

[Rondell]

What will happen to the ascendancy? So Joshua's like, well, I. I would hug you, but I don't want to touch you because you're so, so white. You know, with the gender reveal, there's some things that we sort of walk down the more traditional line. I think making it a celebration makes it even more special, which is why we're having a celebration for a gender reveal.

[Ben]

Hashtag, tick tock. Culture. So Lottie tells us that also one of the reasons why they're doing this is because her dad has been ill. And I believe they show a card at the end of the episode, which I believe was her dad that shows that he sadly passed, you know, probably fairly recently. And we see her with her dad and she says that her dad was a CEO and she's just trying to spend as much time as she can with him together. So they do the reveal and they slice into the cake and she's like, everyone, if it's a boy, it should be a blueberry cake with vanilla custard and herbal tea crunchies, as well as another layer of, of blueberry jam and a compote of vanilla. And if it's a girl, it's going to be raspberry compote with vanilla sponge with a, with speckles of more raspberry. I'm like, okay, just like cutting the cake. We'll see the colors.

[Rondell]

Just like, all right, Master Chef. And they cut into it and it's a boy, guys. Well, I have this vision of dresses and tiaras and things like that. And I now have these visions of mini suits. Oh, yes, the mini suits are definitely coming.

[Ben]

Mini suits. They're gonna wake up in the middle of night, be like, mini suits, mini suits, mini suits. This is gonna be the best dress. This baby's gonna be a suit for life. It's gonna like show up at daycare in like a shiny form fitting suit with lapels that stick up to its shoulders and the little top hat and a mustache.

[Rondell]

Lottie's like, but, but if it's a little boy, I mean, I'm, I'm horrified because don't little boys wee wee on you all the time? And he's like, well, I'm pretty sure that's not sexually ambiguous. I think girls, we as well, darling. No, no, it's the willy. And also it's really weird that I've got like a willy growing inside of me now.

[Ben]

So now we go to Margo's new house. They're so strange. So we go to Margo's new house and she's bringing her daughter Della into, into the house. And it's this like multicolor sort of pastel house with like yellows and pinks. And we find out, by the way, that this house is US$60,000 per month. I mean, at that point you could just buy something. I think, like, that is so much to spend on rent. Clearly it's. She's renting it for two Months. It's probably a short term rental that she's renting for this show. Because I cannot imagine a world where you just sort of open endedly spend $60,000 a month on rent. That's crazy.

[Rondell]

Yeah, she's like, when I go into a space, I like bring my sage and my palo santo and stuff. But like this house has a vibe. Like it has these really bright like warm colors and everything has been thought out like we doubled our budget but you know, everything's perfect and I'm rich. I'm rich as fuck. So she has to walk up 40 steps to get to the second floor. I mean, and then there's a staircase to the next floor. And that's the thing. I don't get 60,000amonth to walk up 90,000 steps.

[Ben]

No, this entire scene was her just walking up staircases. It was just like going up, up, up, up, up. I mean she could have been in K pop.

[Rondell]

Demon hunters, small child. I mean, this is going to be a lot of bruises. A lot of bruises and broken bones, I predict.

[Ben]

And that kid's bedroom is at the top of the 15th staircase. Like the doorway opens up to the staircase. That kid is going to be tumbling down those stairs. It'll be like a, with a child.

[Rondell]

You know, this is not. Thought this was not like a child safety house. But you know, she looks really rich in it, so that's what's important. So she calls Martha and she's like, well, I was thinking because it's like so hot and sunny, we could like take advantage of my garden and want to come over a lady who's probably going to be living in something that looks a lot like a garden pretty soon. I'd love to, darling, but I've got plans with Emma. Sorry.

[Ben]

Doing British things. Apologies. She's like, oh, okay. Well, I'm sure it'll be all good vibes. By the way, how are you after that drawing class? And she's like, oh, I'm okay, but I dinner with Kimmy and Micah yesterday and Kimmy says that you're snake in the grass. And I said, oh, perfect, can I adopt it and put it in my apartment?

[Rondell]

Kind of go tell Missy something that she didn't need to know, darling. Like no, no, that's the difference. She did need to, to know. That's the whole difference. Because she said very clearly, I want to know things. I really care about that. So like I told her things like, that's what friends do. Martha, Martha, she met your self together before you're dead.

[Ben]

I think that when Missy said, I want to know things, she meant more like, how does the doorknob work? Or how do I cook this in the microwave? I don't think she wanted to know things like that. Okay? She's like, well, she's mad at me.

[Rondell]

White wine, yellow. You know, things like that, darling.

[Ben]

And I would like to know that, too, as well. By the way, also, why is the water that comes out of my faucet yellow? Is it wine? Can I drink it? Where are my keys? Have you found that man?

[Rondell]

Oh, my God. She's mad at me for telling Missy. Are we in middle school? Like, how did I get this wrong? Like, how's this my problem, Kimmy? Well, I don't think that either of you are right in this situation. I think you're both wrong and horrible right now. Both of you are horrible, horrible people.

[Ben]

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. You think I'm being horrible to Kimmy? Martha, are you serious? You know I'm an actress, right? Like, no, you're like, that gives me a certain degree of respect. And are you, like, just trying to, like, you know, say anything to get out of the line of fire? Well, I'm stuck in the line of fire, and I don't want to be. It's like, well, you can love someone who's wrong. It's like, well, she can be really tough because she's had a. She's had to be really tough. But I also know that there's a heart of gold in there, and she's a lioness, and she will fight for her friends.

[Rondell]

Well, she better roar and show up, because right now she's just looking like a bitch.

[Ben]

Kimmy probably watched. That was like, well, thank you. That was the point.

[Rondell]

So now we go to Emma's London flat, and she's creaming pastry. She's like. She's like a good homemaker, and she's like, I love cooking. I genuinely love it. I learned it from my mom, and then I had lessons in London. I've never worked in a restaurant, but I have written from magazines, recipes. I've had television shows. The television show called Emma's Kitchen. Here it is. We see Emma's Kitchen. She's like, I learned from my mom, and I had lessons in London. I never worked in a restaurant, but I did write in magazines, TV shows. Here's the TV show. It's me, Emma, and Emma's Kitchen. I've learned from my mom, and then I had lessons in London. I've never went to the Loop So get me out.

[Ben]

I know.

[Rondell]

Cut me out of this loop.

[Ben]

Someone reset the robot.

[Rondell]

I love that there's, like, Head looking into a mirror. While looking into a mirror.

[Ben]

It's so funny. I actually. And I love Emma, and I don't know why, because she's actually kind of boring. But I actually really. Because she's so elegant and, like, she's one of those people that's just, like, glamorous, that you're like. I'm like, oh, it's fine. But she is also one of these people that, like, cooks all this stuff. But she's also like a toothpick. And I'm like, lady. So then I like that eating.

[Rondell]

But I love her because, you know, I love her personality. She's so chill. But she can also be bitchy, which you can see that kind of seething. And I also love. Because we know where the storyline is going because we saw Julie and her sandwich. Her sandwich, Earl or whatever, and how rich they are. But we know that they have to work so hard to keep these estates up. Like, these estates are not just paid for. They have to come up with money to these things running, which is why they've made it into a zoo and why she's trying to do so. I love that there's desperation there right under the surface. And right now, she's too cool to show any of it. You know, we don't see any of it, but you know it's coming.

[Ben]

And I also love there's. They show some headlines to show that she has actually, like, a unknown, you know, cooking thing, you know, and so there's an headline that goes, meerkats, meringues. And mining the recipe archives, Lady Waymouth on her plans for a new era at Long Lead. I'm like, like, is she making. Is she cooking meerkats? Here's my meringue cake. Sure, that's exactly what she wanted next to her cooking meerkats and meringues.

[Rondell]

And then for the juxtaposition, we cut to Margot's house, where she's just, like, cutting shit out of a bag. I'm just like, oh, God, this is, like, so hard. This is, like, so hard to host things. Even when you get stuff from other

[Ben]

places, hosting is hard. So Emma, meanwhile, has put out like, a billion, like, canapes and little pastries and little, like, you know, little adorable baked goods. She's like, I've thrown lots and lots of parties over the years, mainly for meerkats. That's why it's called meerkat Manor. Someone had to feed them.

[Rondell]

Oh, my God. I came up with an idea. I'm gonna teach meerkat manners.

[Ben]

And I'll feed them. Yes. We had lots of dinner parties. I've done dinners by the lake when hippos came back to look at us. I've done dinners at the funerals for the people who were killed by the hippos. And I've had dinners for Diana Ross, who was singing on top of a hippo. Really, anything that involves a hippo, I've. I've catered to it.

[Rondell]

So Mark and Kimmy come and they're. Oh, my God, is this a home or a castle? Oh, wow. Here we are. Wow. A on wheels around, please.

[Ben]

They make so much. That's the best way to put it. They come in making so much noise, like, laughing noise. They are like, this is an episode of Puppets. These are like real life puppets coming in. And it's hilarious that later on they get compared to Muppets. But, like, they come in and Emma's like, oh, well, these cakes are made from Aperol. Oh, well, they're beautiful. Emma. Well, of course she knows. Well, there's. Of course there's alcohol in them, darling. Well, I knew my audience. Are you joking? Of course I knew. So they're just like when I used

[Rondell]

to go to Longley before Emma showed up. We had to drink wine out of a city box. The seats stunk, the mattresses were old. Emma showed up and I was like, oh, there's towels here now. I mean, like, the best thing ever.

[Ben]

So we have this, like, already very raucous party that's just like. They walk in and they're already laughing and having fun. And then we go to Margo's and it's like, very pretty. It's very quiet. Missy shows up and she's like, oh, this is beautiful. Look at this. I love all the colors. It's so nice. Oh, my God. I would just be like, take a picture of me here. Now take a picture of me here. Now. Take a picture of me here. It's so nice. And Missy's like. And Margo's like, like, thank you so much for coming. We're gonna do a non alcoholic wine tasting. And even Missy's like,

[Rondell]

okay. She goes, yeah, we're gonna try all of them. Yeah. Where's my wine? So Marco's like, well, I mean, the wine tastes like booze, guys. And so they. They taste it and they're like, delicious. Wow. Okay. Can we have some wine, please?

[Ben]

Wine. One, please. Mine Anything. So they're like, just. Lottie shows up and she's like, oh, look, a room. A house that's full of yellow and pink. How non traditional. I am a surprise. Traditionalists. So they are, like, congratulating her on the gender reveal and everything. And it's like, very nice. And Micah has come by, and Micah shows up, and she brings, like, a little shirt, like a little hostess gift for. For Margot. It's a sweatshirt for Della that says, mind your manners. Adorable.

[Rondell]

Lord. She's like, hosting is hard. Like, it's a lot of work. And I think it's so important to show gratitude for being invited. And it can just be the tiniest little thing to just be like, I was thinking about you. Thank you. And that's why I bring gifts. But when you give them, you have to say it like this. I got you again, like that. Margot's like, oh, God, please just sit down.

[Ben]

So we go back over to Emma's flat while everyone else at Marco's is just, like, waiting for their wine, their real wine. And Emma's just giving out booze to everyone. And Mark's, oh, there's a tree in my drink. And Kimmy's like, well, so what have you been up to, darling Martha, how's your crazy born? She's fabulous. Pricked out the madman's eyeball. And I said, well, I apologize, but at least now you have something, an interesting story to tell people, right?

[Rondell]

Oh, God. You know that her bird. You have to wear goggles when you go in the house. And we see a flashback of Kimmy going to the house. And Martha's like, oh, darling Hecate. Oh, there's champagne. Would you like some, Hecate? Oh, Kimmy, would you like to wear some goggles just in case the bird comes onto your shoulder and tries to pack out your eyes? And Kimmy just stares at her with her mouth open, her teeth bleeding. She's just like the.

[Ben]

You know the reason. The reason why Martha likes Margo is because it's like her bird. Just when you think you're not wearing. The moment that you're not wearing your goggles, it picks your eyeballs off.

[Rondell]

Stupid. But they're exactly the same. She's just like a cubby lived. Dare you? Coming from you. You know what? Kimmy's pissed off because Margot outmaneuvered her. That's what happened. And Mark's like,

[Ben]

maneuver me. She's embarrassing. No, she was trying to apologize to Missy. And Margot sat on the other side. She had to go left to right, left to right, Left to right, left to right. And then Kimmy had to turn side to side. Has a lot of work for her. She's like, no, no, no. Mahaka just wanted attention, and that's why she wears her shirts up to here, right? By the way, it was so funny that she's talking about how, like. Like, oh, wow, look at how scandalous Margot is. Look at how. Look at how, like, revealing her outfits are. I mean, while Emma's sitting there, like, her entire, like, belly button is out, and Emma's looking at her like, hello.

[Rondell]

Oh, she outmaneuvered you, darling. It was a genius maneuver. And now you look furious. Simply furious. Oh, she looks so dumb. I mean, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. You know what? I'm laughing at her. That's what I'm doing. I'm laughing at what? Oh, well, Martha was like Wellington. She was genius. And then we see first Duke of Wellington defeated Napoleon at Waterloo. And you're cross about that because you don't want to apologize. Well, well, well, apologize to Waterloo, darling, because you lost this one.

[Ben]

Oh, she was just clamoring for attention. Oh, but she's not just clamming for attention. She's Wellington now. She is. That's why she wears tight velour jumpsuit. She has bad style. Really bad style. No, she fucking does not. Hideous. She's so attacky.

[Rondell]

She's one of the most stylish women in the world. Oh, my God. You're the first one that said the outfits weren't hideous. Remember? You're the first one who said that they were hideous. Do you remember that? At the party, you said it was hideous. Out of your own damn mouth, Martha.

[Ben]

Well, the jumpsuit I didn't like. She's perfect, apart from the jumpsuit. And, well, she did seem to wear a whole bunch of trash bags sewn together when she visited me the. At. At the Warehouse. But, yeah, the jumpsuit was terrible. And we see this Margot in this, like, velour jumpsuit, and. And Martha. Martha goes up to her and just goes, I don't like this.

[Rondell]

Well, look, she's been in LA where people just wear Lululemon. Well, she's mar. Well, she's not in LA anymore. Well, there's a lot of chic people in la. Margo is just not one of them.

[Ben]

Okay, okay, just stop. Stop it. Just stop. It's like, well, I'm sorry. I'm part of it. Just stop it. It's like Emma's like, my neck is itchy. Because of all this. So Emma's. Emma's like, this is Kimmy's version of an intervention, which is quite aggressive. Ooh. Ultimately, Kimmy is a very fair person and she will always see things objectively.

[Rondell]

Kimmy should be a top barrister. It's a real shame she got a trust fund because she's wasted not being in law. Barrister means lawyer. Oh, well, I have an allergic to reaction to all of this. Girls. Oh, I generally love this girl. Don't worry, I genuinely love her. Okay, well, you might love her, but let's not sit here and pretend it isn't what it is. I mean, the girl dresses like a trash bag.

[Ben]

Well, all they're doing is slagging off Margot's clothes, which is progress. Margot is wearing clothes she wasn't the last time she was in London. Shut up. Commercials.

[Rondell]

Here comes one right now.

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[Ben]

So now we go to Margo's house and they're still having their, like. They're like, wine listed. Like, Margot's trying to cook this dinner and they're all sitting there watching and they're like, waiting for the wine. They're like, I don't think she actually wants to give us wine. Like, oh, God, yeah, she's not so great at this. So we go back to Emma's house and they're having, like, burrata and fish. It's just like, lovely and fabulous. And Emma's like, Emma's giving her fish. She's like, look, I gave you a long, thin one. She's like, well, I don't want that. Oh, she likes them short and fat.

[Rondell]

So Kimmy's like, well, you know what? This arse wasn't built for nothing. Anything she can get in her mouth will do. So Emma's Offering more drinks. And Kimmy's like, of course I want another drink. Of course I do. I need it. You don't need it, you just prefer it. Oh no, I need it.

[Ben]

They are literally just bantering. I love that. We are just watching them banter and crack each other up. I am dying. This is. I'm like, this is the best show ever. So Martha's like, ah, by the way, Kimmy, I don't like you tonight. Just FYI.

[Rondell]

Pardon?

[Ben]

I don't like you at all tonight. You're being a.

[Rondell]

Well, I'm always a bitch. At least I'm consistent. But why? Why are you being a bitch?

[Ben]

We're out of control. We're so excited. We just both are so good together. We're so excited by this show. It's so good,

[Rondell]

so funny. They're ridiculous. So she's like, yeah, well, why are you being a bitch? Well, at least there's no surprises with me. She's absolutely not sorry, but you are being a cow. Why are you being a cow? What's happening at home? Oh God, nothing's happening at home. I just got a beautifully terrible vase by my child, threw it against a wall, my ex husband gave me some lip. I mean, it's just a fabulous time actually, thank you for asking.

[Ben]

But I made my signature clams in a pan and everyone's happy. So no problems over here. Marcos la Vacheval, which stands for the mad cow. Everything's all right. Back to Margo's house. Margot's like, by the way, I want to hear this conversation. At the other dinner, it's like, oh, so all the others have met up with us without us as well. So I'm the only British person who gets stuck with the non Brits at the boring wine this dinner because, oh, one thing we did not mention is that when Margo finally did bring out the wine, she brought like a travel size bottle of like, like Miraval Rose, like that model. And they're like, what the. We're in London, lady, give us a full size bottle.

[Rondell]

Oh, well, so everyone's met up without us as well. But I have an accent. But you don't have the lineage. Darling, darling, darling. Well, I guess you never should have

[Ben]

admitted that you didn't have night nurses.

[Rondell]

Well, I'll tell you this, Kimmy was. You said that Kimmy was on the wool path for you. And Marco's like, oh yeah, Micah, were you there with Micah with Martha and Kimmy? And she's like, yes. Well what happened then? Well, did Martha tell You anything yet? I mean, she clearly did because, you know. Well, she said that, you know. Well, I saw Kimmy and she's, like, gunning for you, like. And I was like, excuse moi. That's French. French.

[Ben]

Why for you? She's like. And Ms. Is like, yeah.

[Rondell]

Why?

[Ben]

She's like. You. Mar's like, yeah, right. What happened? So Micah's like, well, so Kimmy sort of said, well, she doesn't like ketchup on eggs, first and foremost, so let's get that one out of the way. And she just was, like, upset about that conversation in the car. I've never been so uncomfortable. Oh, my God. Margo's like, well, maybe Kimmy should never speak to me again.

[Rondell]

Well, that's a bit tricky for Martha then, to be in the middle, you know. So we go to the other flat, and Martha's like, how are you and Margot going to resolve this, Kimmy? Oh, God, I don't know. No, I mean, it's. I don't actually have something against Marco. I mean, she's just everything I didn't expect, you know? I mean, I perfectly like the woman. She's just a stupid slut dresser.

[Ben]

Hello. Shall I taste. Shall I tell you all something? It's serious, so I'm going to lower my chin into my clavicle. A friend of mine. A friend of mine who's known Margot for about a decade, hasn't seen her for some time, sees her again at the carton party and tells me she's unrecognizable.

[Rondell]

Well, there you go. There you go.

[Ben]

Exactly what I was saying in terms of her manner, demeanor, what I've been

[Rondell]

told is that reportedly since her marriage, Margot has become an absolute diva. She's vain, she's narcissistic, she's obsessed with money, and she has become insufferable. And it's all about her all the time. And now I don't know whether this is true, but it certainly comes across as being quite likely. And then we see a montage of Margot just being like, these are Japanese. Past designer. Okay? And I'm wearing vintage West Westwood boots and a vintage lacrosse skirt. Everybody.

[Ben]

I'm obsessed with Mark just being in some other production that takes place in 1905 London. What I've heard is that her demeanor is terrible. Oh, she's become absolutely obsessed with money. She's terrible. She's fallen out of good society. Like, what?

[Rondell]

I've never heard that. I know. And I've never heard of that from people who just got money. He's just saying she's new money. But he's making it so scandalous.

[Ben]

Like, ooh.

[Rondell]

Completely unrecognized, recognizable. She walked. And they said, who is this new specimen in front of us?

[Ben]

Martha goes, well, she just got sober. We wouldn't know about that. Kimmy Marcus. That shouldn't make people worse. But now she's not worth. She's amazing. Well, I'm telling you right now. Margo, will you over.

[Rondell]

She's on my.

[Ben]

So Emma is. Emma's just watching, and she's like, like. Well, I've never seen these two have a spat. I see them as a double R. Tweedledum. Like those stupid American Muppets that sit in the theater. You know, the two old men. And we see, like, Martha and Kimmy just sitting at the table with both their, like, sort of like, they're kind of bobs. They're curly kind of bobs. Just sitting, talking at each other. And they are so two Muppets. And, like, I wouldn't say that they're Waldorf and Stadler, but they are. It's. It is still kind of like a perfect comparison.

[Rondell]

Well, it's perfect for us because we are those two Muppets. And so to be compared, like, see that? And then, like, have the triangle. It's funny. I was like, oh, I love the show even more. So Kimmy's like, you mark my words, she's gonna you over Martha. Well, Margaret, I have been friends for 20 years. She's never me over yet. Well, guess what? She already did. No, she didn't. Okay, well, then I'm not your friends. I'm not your friend, then.

[Ben]

But back at the other dinner, Lottie's saying Kimmy always says whatever she wants she's gonna say to your face. So why is she so upset that they. They've been said to her face? The problem is, like, what Kimmy said and the way she spoke to both of you is not okay. And the aggression was just a bit too much. I don't find that appropriate because I'm a traditionalist.

[Rondell]

So Micah's like, well, the next time you see Kimmy, what do you think? I mean, how do you think you're going to approach the situation? Don't say anything about me, please. I have a Muppet show.

[Sponsor/Commercial Voice]

Please.

[Rondell]

Please.

[Ben]

Well, if she wants to talk to me, she'll come to me, but I'm not going to approach her. It's like, okay, well, I look forward to seeing that awkward moment. No, you won't, because we're going to squash up by the end of the episode in the next scene.

[Rondell]

Oh, well, I don't have a problem with Kimmy. And if Kimmy wants to bark at me like some deranged corgi, then she just will. You know what I mean? I mean, like, I don't know. Corgi, right? Isn't corgi, you guys.

[Ben]

She's not a corgi. I'm sorry, that's not. That's not the. If we're gonna do, like, a. Like a doggy in person, like, comparison. I don't think that she's a corgi. I don't know what she is.

[Rondell]

What would you say?

[Ben]

I don't know my dog breeds well enough, but I don't. I just don't see Kimmy as being a corgi. I could see her maybe being like, a Maltese, you know, sort of like fans. They sort of have that fancy kind of, like, vibe.

[Rondell]

What's like a drunk fancy dog? I'm gonna look it up. Drunk fancy dog.

[Ben]

Oh, like, maybe. And by the way, yes, we understand it's problematic to compare women two dogs, but in this case, Margot introduced the comparison, and we just want to make sure that her comparison just wasn't good enough for me in terms of, like, it wasn't. It wasn't a high quality comparison.

[Rondell]

So as long as a bulldog. That's cute. There's a drunk bulldog on here. Okay, so then we go to Emma's party, and Kimmy's like, well, I mean, if someone stopped you in the back, I would have defended yo. But I did defend you. No, you didn't. No, you dead, Martha.

[Ben]

I said, that's. I said, that's Kimmy. You said, well, you're still defending her. Martha's like, I feel like Kimmy needs defender. If. If I feel like Kimmy needs defending, I will defend her if I feel like she is right. Well, I hate. I. I hate you so much right now. And as. As much as I understand how this arose, I don't think she's right.

[Rondell]

Where's your loyalty, Martha? Where's your. So then we go to a film studio, and Micah is doing a thing, a manners video with her puppets. Oh, my God, these puppets. She's like, I would love to teach adults how to be kind. And then we cut to Kimmy bringing up Dara. I heard your friend is a model.

[Ben]

Yeah. You know, many manners is something that I see. It's just. It's so important, you know, to teach the next generation kindness is what I would love to be my life's work. Sorry. Tic tac culture is here. It's all about reveals and public shaming. Good luck with your puppets.

[Rondell]

Yeah. And she's just like, oh, my God. My husband's never in town. But, you know, I'm sure he's gonna rectify that soon. But in the meantime, I'm gonna get this puppet show off the ground. It's gonna be great. I'm sure my husband loves it. Meanwhile, I think all of us are thinking, that man is cheating on you, and he's leaving you. So I hope this puppet show works out that because I. This man is cheating. Yeah.

[Ben]

That thing, that felt thing hanging off your assistant's arm right now is going to be your new husband very soon.

[Rondell]

Yeah. So hope it goes well. So now we go to a restaurant with Kimmy, and she comes in. She like, hello, too. For Blanc. Blanc. Thank you.

[Ben]

So Missy comes in. She's like, oh, you know Kimi. She dresses so lovely, and I really want to hate her, and I want to be like, fuck you, bitch. But she's wearing an amazing bag, and she's staring at me, and I'm like, I fucking hate you. But I love your bag, because Kimmy's bag is there. It's like the sun is, like, shining on. It's like.

[Rondell]

Well, I'm really happy you actually wanted to meet Kimmy. Well, I thought we should have a chat, because I feel like something that was so unintentionally, you know, like, sad, because it was like, Magnum fired into this huge thing.

[Ben]

Well, I mean, from my point, I feel like we did have, like, a really nice day. We had a very nice day until some Debbie Downer ruined it. Oh, that was you. Sorry. Oh. So Missy's like. But when we sat down, I just. I felt like I want to get to know people. Well, when I did say something about it in the car, I didn't say it in a way that was, like, something very negative towards you. I just said, oh, I had a read about this, and, like, blah, blah, blah, wow. Brother got killed.

[Rondell]

Wa, wa, wa.

[Ben]

Big deal. Whose brother hasn't been killed? Am I right? But it was, like, nothing mean.

[Rondell]

I mean, what's mean about saying, who cares?

[Ben]

Who cares about a murder? Like, what else is new, right?

[Rondell]

But I felt really sad and disrespected. And then when I tried to talk to you the other day, well, I was trying to talk to you, but then I had Margot come in my side like a barking dog in the back.

[Ben]

So we see more of that fight where Kimmy is like, let me tell you something, missy. There was no making fun. And Margot, Is that what you said? And expect. And expect you to go back like a hypocrite. Marco's like, that's not what hypocrite means. Go to college.

[Rondell]

Well, okay. I think it was really strong of her to stand up. Oh, well, that's not standing up. I think that's causing friction between people. That was non existential stance. But I feel like you didn't value my feelings. Well, I didn't mean it in an intentional way to say something negative about your experience. Well, but you said I did it for attention. Well, I. Okay, well, I did. I mean, I kind of felt like that a little bit. Okay, I did say that. I did say that.

[Ben]

It was actually quite hilarious. We all had a great laugh in the car. If you were. If you would have been there, you would have actually really enjoyed it. And she's like, well, but it was never. It was never supposed to. It was never supposed to be for attention. She goes, okay, well, fair enough. You know, I'm just not that sensitive, okay? I'm not like some half Albanian, half, you know, Swedish model snowflake.

[Rondell]

Right?

[Ben]

I mean, I know you're from Scandinavia, but I know you're made of actual snow. Okay, well, I mean, look, everyone has their. What I call their crotch as a coping mechanism. Some people find it in religion boring. Some people find it in humor the best way. But, you know, I never judge people on what they want to use, is what I call their crutch. Like, I don't know, what do you use as your crotch? Like, just, you know, being boring.

[Rondell]

So basically, like, if you're saying that I'm rude, you're kicking the crutches off of a disabled person. You're the bad person now. So how does that make you feel? I love how she turned it around like that. That was so funny. And she's like, but you did judge me. Just. Well, all right, well, I'm a little bitchy, too. Let's be honest. And now I realize you're much more sensitive. And I will be aware of that. All right.

[Ben]

Ms. Is like, I really appreciate that. I'm like, she just insulted you. Thank you so much. Like, you think that's a good thing in. In Kim's world? Well, you're just. You're sensitive. You probably put ketchup on your eggs, and you probably don't like mayonnaise. And I. And I just would be aware without going forward.

[Rondell]

Kimmy tells Us, like. Well, I don't want Missy to be upset. I mean, she felt like people were disrespecting her brother's death. And I feel really bad. I feel really bad about it. I don't. But, you know.

[Ben]

You know, I am kind of getting. Learning to accept people as they are. And, like, everyone deals differently with things. And Kimmy, this is how she deals with it. And it doesn't come from a bad place. You know, I didn't know what I was expecting coming in here. And I was like, I really hope it's good. And she's like, oh, you were hoping. I was where you were hoping I was gonna be standing here with, like, a knife.

[Rondell]

So Missy's just glad that this is over, right? Because Kim. Kimmy is terrifying. And Kimmy's like, well, she's half Swedish, but. But, you know, I like the Albanian bit. You know that one. That side's got balls. She calls a spade a spade. I'm. I actually have much more respect for her from. Than anything else, so.

[Ben]

Although I don't understand why she keeps on saying, all right, R I Z. God, Riz. God. What's that all about? So Missy's like, well, when it comes to Margot, I really think you guys should have a conversation. I really don't think she meant it in a malicious way. And I. I really feel like she's quite genuine. Oh, well, no, I thought that too. But, you know, Mark actually said to me the other day that when he had garden party, a girl had come up to harm and said, oh, I actually knew Margot from. From years and years ago when she lived in London. And I was talking to her tonight, and she's a completely different person. She's got her acting hat on.

[Rondell]

And Missy just looks shocked. And I like that. Kimmy's like, all right, I forgive you. Now let's ruin someone else together.

[Ben]

Well, this is how it often goes on these shows. It's like whoever delivers the message, like, they deliver the message. The other two people, they. They fight, but the fight is actually so intense because the message that they actually are compelled to make up. And then it's the person delivered the message who's the one who gets burned. This is a classic pattern.

[Rondell]

Yeah. So Missy is, like, not ready to commit to this. She's like, I don't know. Well, I don't know either. Let me talk to Mark. Margo needs to sit down and reevaluate being a girl's girl because she's a bit of a hypocrite. I Think. Oh, and I'll say it to a face.

[Ben]

Dun, dun, dun.

[Rondell]

Oh, great show. Love it. So that was that. And then we see a mid season trailer and it just looks super fun and off the rails. And Kimmy and Missy go at. No, Kimmy and Martha go at it and then Mark and Margo go at it, which is really fun.

[Ben]

It's a great moment where like, I don't know, like Margot and Mark are having some words and Marco's like, like, like, oh my God, you're just like obsessed with me. And he goes, darling, who wouldn't be? And she goes, you're so weird. It's like this amazing pivot that he does and she doesn't know how to handle it. It's great. I also, I hope that Margo. I'm sorry. I hope that Martha and Kimmy, I hope their friendship does not fall asunder. We see it happen all the time on these shows, so I'm hoping that we don't get like a season two where they're fighting. I get a little worried about that. It's like when Caroline Stanberry and Sophie Stanberry fought. Like, I didn't like that either. Or like any other million shows where like the besties fight probably will happen. But for right now, pretty good at

[Rondell]

just being like, you're a. And you were wrong and you were, you know, they just tell each other flat out. And so I like that it seems like they are really friends, you know, so they probably get into spats like this all the time. So we'll see.

[Ben]

We'll see.

[Rondell]

Anyway, but good times, everybody. Have an amazing weekend. Thank you so much for being here. New newsletter comes out tomorrow, so if you want it, just sign up for free patreon.com and we'll talk to you next time.

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