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Watch what happens. Who cares what happens when there's so much what happens? Who cares what happens when there's so much that happens? Hello and welcome to Watch what Crap ins a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker and joining me today, today it's the one, the only, the be denim Ronnie Caram. How are you?
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Well hello, how are you?
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I am. How are you?
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Fabulous. As Kyle says on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, when she comes into any party she goes, how are you?
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I hope you're having a very good Friday today cuz it's Good Friday. So happy Good Friday and Happy Easter to all my all my Christian friends and Happy Passover to all my fellow Jewish friends. And if you are celebrating another holiday this weekend, Happy holiday.
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And to other all of all of you that just hide random eggs in your backyard for children to find or rot if they're never found for animals to eat the rest of the year. You know, more power to you weirdos.
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This is also just a rant, just a reminder that you have about two or three days left to decide impulsively to purchase a Cadbury Creme egg from the supermarket and then eat it and and say to yourself this is why I only eat this once one time a year. Disgusting. Truly disgusting. Although I have to say I so I did that like a week ago. I was like well I'm gonna have my Cadbury cream egg of the year where I where I'm drawn to it and then I eat it and I say, why am I having this? But this time it was delicious. And I was like, what? It's not supposed to be delicious. It's supposed to be, like, chocolatey and too sweet. And you say, ugh, never again. I was like, wait, why was it so good this year? It was so good.
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I don't know. Maybe it's, you know, they're starting to take all the bad stuff out because they can't afford to keep putting it in because the economy or whatever, I
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don't know, tariffs are actually improving. Cadbury Green Bags, the one. The one beneficiary of this entire ridiculous tariff situation. I will say they're like, we can't
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afford the nuclear waste anymore. All right, I guess we're just gonna have to put sugar in there.
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All right, here's an idea. Real chocolate. It was really good. I was actually, like, really upset. It was so good. Um, and the other thing is that, like, one. One thing. One Easter candy that is not that I. I really do have a hard time staying away from. Are right next to Cadbury Eggs are now its new competitor, the Reese's Egg, which is, like, divine. That. No notes on that one. You ever get the Reese's Egg?
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I've had a Reese's Egg. It crumbled and didn't crumble, but it, like, came apart weirdly. Like the. Both the halves came apart or whatever, and I don't know, you know, disorienting.
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They look like a tanning bed.
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Yeah, kind of. Yeah.
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Like.
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Yeah. Is it. Was yours gooey on the inside? Mine wasn't.
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No. I think it's never gooey. It's just like a peanut butter cup in egg shape. That's all.
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But it's like a really great peanut butter, maybe. You know, I think I gotten this thing when I'm trying to lose weight that I'm like, I'm not gonna eat candy. But then, you know, when I do want to binge out on something, all I have are the non candy things. And so I learned that. I learned to eat those instead. So I'll have, like, a scoop of peanut butter and then some chocolate chips instead of Orisa's pieces. And that is so damn good, actually.
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I love that.
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So then going back to, like, a Reese's Pieces, I was like, gross. Of course, a Reese's Pieces is probably a quarter of the calories as full scoops of peanut butter with actual chocolate chips. You know what I mean?
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Yeah.
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But, you know. Yeah. Once I had that, I was like, wow, this is. This is the Way to go.
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That peanut, that Reese's peanut butter is actually sweetened, so it's a different peanut butter thing. So, like, one does not replace the other. For me.
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Yeah.
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That being said, anyway, and everyone, enjoy your candy this weekend. We all. We could probably talk about this for too much, but too long. But we got a big show today. Quick reminder, on Monday, you better come join us for crappy hour because there's a lot to talk about every day. I mean, every single day. This, you know, Amanda West Sierra thing, there's just another silly headline. So whatever the latest roundup is, we'll be doing that Monday. So that's going to be 5:30 West Coast Time. 8:30 East Coast Time. I know you all have things to say about it. I know you guys all want to weigh in. There's a lot going on. There are a lot of layers to this story, so. But you come join us for crappy hour Monday night. Also, we have our Amazon Live Monday afternoon. So come join us for that as well. We'll probably talk about it there too. Who knows? Amazon Live got, you know, got drawn into the scandal. So, you know, hey, and then Patreon, come join us at patreon.com watch or crapins for your bonus episodes. We did last week's episode of Survivor. I don't know if we'll do this week's because it was two hours. And honestly, Ronnie, I think that's a lot to cover for a bonus episode.
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That's ridiculous. I started watching that last night and I was like, why are you doing this to me? Why? Why? Why?
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It was. It was not a great episode either. I was. It was. I will say that this. I'm not gonna say any spoilers, but Jeff Probst got up there for like 10 minutes and was like, we decided we have to change what this immunity means. It's gonna be the biggest, craziest thing. It's gonna be the blood moon. The blood moon of survivors could change the game. You're gonna vote out three people. I was like, you've already have. Last week. You voted out two people. Why is three people gonna, like, impress us?
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Because I started with 90. I like when he said that, he's like, okay, we're gonna. This is gonna be the biggest challenge gift ever prize ever awarded. And I was like, outback steakhouse. Applebee's. Okay. Applebee's has got it down, man. Because only when you're that starving are you like, oh, my God, Applebee's. They're like hugging each other and Crying like, oh, finally, Applebee's. I can't wait to have iceberg lettuce slathered in. Oh, God.
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Now if Applebee's wants to be a sponsor watcher, crap ins. Of course we'll have a different opinion about that.
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But I'll be like a DJ up here changing my tune.
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I'll be like, applebee, we could feel good in the neighborhood. Honestly, I do like Applebee's, but. But yeah, that was crazy. And I'm like, really? Like, there's nothing. You did not fundamentally change this game. You just added one more elimination. Like, that changes nothing. That's the natural progress of the game. You just called it the blood moon like it was Zelda. And shout out to the girl who mentioned Zelda.
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That's what I thought too. I was like, this is Zelda, the blood moon Tiffany.
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But I was like, you really? I mean, I honestly, at that point, with that much hype about how this is gonna be a game changer, I would have been happy if you said the twist is Zach Brown is joining. Zach Brown and Billie Eilish are joining the game. I'm like, that would make me happy at this point. You know, I would love to see
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Billy Eilishes tired ass. And by tired, I mean literally. She just always looks like. I'm like, how do you work so hard? She's just so tired. And I think that's why I like her because she's a tired person. You know, she still gets a lot done and I respect it for someone.
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For someone so tired. She's doing a lot on this. Literally. The episode opened up with like, you got the Billie Eilish boomerang idol. This Billy, I swear to God, I swear to God. Someone better take all those idols and throw them in the ocean. I'm sick of them. Okay, but we have actually made.
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You guys. The point in all of this rambling is that Kyle is an. So let's get to it. Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Season 15 Episode 16 the Last Supper Happy Easter. Or aren't that's a religious reference for all.
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There we go. That's true. They did time that out, right? What a. I. I thought this was a great episode. And you know, Andy's been going on and on about like, what this season of Beverly Hills is. I love it. I'm like, well, that's probably because he. He's seen.
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He.
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Last week's was good. This episode was really good. He's probably seen these last few episodes and now he's like, the whole Season was amazing, but it's like, no, the whole season was not amazing, but this is really good. I'm curious.
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Started with the whole season is amazing. Okay. The second, the two thirds of the season is amazing. Then it was the second half of the season is amazing. And by. It's by this time it's like the last 10 minutes of this season are incredible.
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Like whatever you could do, you know. But it did have this. I did think this was an incredible fight between Erica, Dorit and Kyle because they are the three remaining members of the Fox force five and they are truly crumbling. And I don't know, I. I haven't. I. Look, I'm not going to adjust my opinion for what social media says, but I always like to see how. What the vibe is. I always think that's like fascinating and seeing am I like within the standard deviation? Am I not? And so I have no idea. I'm not taking the temperature of what everyone is saying. So if this causes people to take out your pitchforks against me, so be it. I thought this was Erika Jane's best episode of all time. I thought the way she sat. You didn't think so? Okay, well why?
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Why?
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Well, first of all, it's a low bar. She has not had really too many good episodes.
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I can't be.
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I thought the way I give my
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opinion away right away I'm like, no,
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because I thought the way when Dorit was basically like bose has supported me more than anyone else and Erica was like, oh, fuck this bitch. I thought the way that Erica just took out Dorit, like the way she just handled Dorit I thought was actually so impressive. Erica's like, oh, you're not gonna with me on this one. Who the do you think you are? I've waited for you too long. I thought like cuz Kyle's like three. That's not nice. Everyone says everyone's. Erica just goes in for the kill. And I thought the way she handled that situation, the way she was so direct and was like, you are not gonna with me. I thought it was like I was like work, work, Erica Jane. You know, even though I've been on Dorit's side this whole. This whole time, I thought Dorit was disrespectful to Erica in that moment, believe it or not. And I thought Erica was great.
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What do you.
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You didn't think so?
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You know, I think Erica's just Kyle's attack dog and she's not doing anything. She has no storyline and she's like, okay, we're Gonna go for dorit. Okay, fine, let's go for dorit. And she doesn't care. She's bored. She's like, all right, I'll come for dorit. Fine, I'll do it. You know, she kind of sits on the side. It's like, yeah, Dorit. Yeah. It's like, don't you talk to me, Erica. She's like, ah, fuck off, Dorit. So that's what she did last week. And then this week, she tried to make it all about herself and cried and stuff, which I thought was funny. But ultimately, the problem I have with Erica is the same problem I've always had, that she's like a ur. You know, she doesn't ever really have an argument. She's just like, you are. Like, you're a. You're a. You know, that's. That makes me crazy. Like, you are. And she did that a lot in this episode. I. Look, it's hard to be on the side with the late thing, because that is the rudest fucking thing in the world. And to be like, well, I'm late because I'm getting a divorce. No, you're not late. You're late because you're being a stupid butt face who has to, like, spend 10 hours in glam. That's why you're late. You're an idiot. Stop being late. Fucking rude, period. That I'm not on the right side for at all. And if they just kept it to you're late, I would be like, yes, stoner. Stoner in the streets, you know, Because I'm down with that. Not stoning, but people not being late. And I would have been there. But this whole, like. But everybody says it. And then Erica's just jumping in with Kyle. I thought, I don't. I don't like it. I think it jumper.
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My interpretation was not that. My interpretation was that, like, Kyle was doing her typical like, but everyone says so. Everyone says so. Everyone says so. And you're like, okay, shut up, Kyle. And I thought, like, Erica was just like, you know, just watching her two friends, whatever. And the moment I like to read is like, Bose is the. The one who supported me the most over the past year or two has been Bose. And Erica's like, you know what? This. Because I've waited around for her all this time. And I think that actually the crux of Erica's complaint was about the lateness. And, like, I thought when she, like, she went in on Dorit about being late all the time as, like, you think. You think you're the only one. She's like, well, I'm checking on my kids. She's trying to basically pull the. Pull this card. She's like, well, okay, fine. And then Eric. And by the way, I'm not saying that Dorit is necessarily wrong when Dorit says, like, I had to find out all this stuff from the tabloids, not from Erica. I think that's a great point that Dorit makes. But I do think that Erica was like, you just were so disrespectful. I put up with so much from you. And I've had to wait around. I'm in Italy and I had to wait around. I had to spend my day walking through a ghost town. I couldn't even enjoy my gelato. My gelato. And you're being an asshole, and you're making it seem like you're the only one going through shit. I actually think this was a totally. A totally valid use of. You are fighting here. So I was. I was a fan.
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Yeah, no, clearly the food is just rotating around and no one's actually eating from it. Because, by the way, at a certain point after the. Everything. After all the dust settles, Kyle realizes there's, like, a plate of food in front of her. She's like, get this away from me. But also I. So funny that it's called the last supper, but. Or the last dinner, whatever they called it. But it's actually not the season finale. I thought it was like, oh, is this the season finale?
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Like, no, it seemed like it. It seemed like it. We had this fight, then they all go home, and then Rachel has a party, and it's like the season finale party. We're done. You know, it's like this fight. They yell at dorit again, we're done. And then they're like. And next week I was like, oh,
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on the not season finale, I was like, what?
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Wait, is next week the season finale? Did it say season finale? It has to be. Come on.
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I don't know. I don't know. So anyway, we are here and Kyle is mad, and she's like, stop.
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Just stop.
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3. You're being too much. You're being too much. Oh, I'm getting too much.
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Cars are crossed.
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I do. By the way, this is also my favorite version of Kyle where Kyle's like. I mean, I think Kyle's wrong, but I love when Kyle gets really mad. I think that's like more of the authentic Kyle. And by the way, remember last week I pontificated about Kyle and, like, how she always needs to have, like, an alpha. When you watch this, you really can see she is just playing out her entire relationship with Kim through dorit. Like, it's so obvious. It's actually really interesting to watch to me.
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Oh, yeah. Even when she yelled at Kathy, like, who are you going to stand up for, Kathy? What kind of sister are you going to be right now? Whose sister are you anyway? Which is the same thing she did with Kim. I don't know, Kyle. I see what you're saying is her being more entertaining when she's mad. I think it's just because she's doing something at all. And yeah, it's like when you clean your own house for years and years and it's horrible and it's drudgery. And then you get a cleaning person for the first time and they're terrible and they only do half the job and you still have to pay them, but at least somebody's doing something. And you just sit there and sniff the house like, oh, my God, it smells so much better, even if they're not really doing that much. And that's totally. Kyle's a lazy cleaning lady, so she is still yelling at Dorit, and she's like, but Bo's was literally telling me that you're in a financial crisis and you don't know what your name is on things. And, like, you don't know the situation with your money. And, like, I don't even know that stuff. And you're telling Bose that stuff. And she's totally throwing Bose under the seat. And I love that. Bose doesn't even care. She's just nodding like, meh. So yeah, I mean, yeah, I said it. Sue me.
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Yeah, exactly. And so Dorit is like, but the thing I said to Bose, I don't know why you're telling Kyle about your concerns. And Bo's like, well, you know, I've been concerned about your finances, and that's not a new conversation between you and I, by the way. Bose always says that. And sometimes I wonder. I think it is a new conversation, but you just say it's not a new conversation. So, like, people get distracted because I have to think, did we have that conversation? Okay, just let's assume we did have that conversation. I don't want to seem like I'm not listening. So she just says, and we talked about that. And I do believe Kyle is very concerned for you. And I believe you. I believe it was a genuine conversation. And she's basically saying, yeah, like. Like, I wasn't trying to. I wasn't breaking your confidence. I didn't think I was, but I'm sorry if I did. I. I just was sharing how I genuinely felt. And I told you that. Don't you remember?
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Yeah, she's using the like, well, I said it to your face, so it's okay if I said it behind your back thing. But I think she's. I think Dorit's just mad because she's like, you're basically talking to someone, you know, who doesn't have my best interests in heart at heart. So why would you talk? Like, Kyle baited you into talking about me, basically. And dorit's like, well, thank you. You know, I appreciate you saying I'm sorry. And Kyle's like, oh, oh, oh, of course, of course. Both of that. Both of them both said, I'm sorry. So of course it's okay with her. But it's not okay for me. She both isn't the one, like, confronting her at every group event. Kyle both isn't the one taking her off and, like, to an abandoned and God knows where to confront her about. You're the one doing it.
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And Kyle's like, un fucking believable. Bose and I are saying the exact same thing, except it's from when it comes from my lips. It's coming from a trained actress's lips. I mean, bose is great and she's sweet and thoughtful for saying that, but when I say it, I get my head bit off. And she lives and breathes to find a problem with me. That's because you went out of your way to say, oh, her behavior is so erratic. I'm concerned. Whereas, like, Bose was like, oh, I think she hasn't. I think she has a looming financial crisis coming, which is going to be stressful for her. But you're like, but you called and were like, ooh, something's wrong with dorit. And it was much more about, like, rabble rousing than it was really about concern.
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Yeah, Dorit showed up on this trip fine. She wasn't gonna fight with you. She's been around you and been fine. You're the one who keeps starting fights and then being like, why are you fighting with me? So. But it's so typical kyle, you know, it's like, try and get everybo against one person that kyle doesn't like, then tell the audience over and over again that this person is crazy and that this person doesn't really understand what they're saying. And this person is, like, illogical and na na, na, na na. And kyle's a victim. And this person's been yelling at kyle the whole season when it's kyle who's been yelling at this person the whole season. So Kyle's moving those hands. You know, she's like, I was on the lincoln lawyer. And she's like, to clarify, it was a mutual conversation between me and bose, and I didn't call bows to gossip. I didn't see a right expending with you to read. But bose asked. Bose is the one who said, you're spending radically. You have commented on her spending over and over again. What are you talking about?
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Yeah, it's like. And also, like, there's a larger context of Kyle not being a girl's girl and seemingly having more of an allegiance to pk. So, of course, like, Dorit's not going to say. Not going to really take any of this in as she would with bows. So Dorit's like, you're going around asking everyone else if they're concerned. And Erica's like, well, it's not about the Kelly bag. I didn't even know that was a concern. Because, Erica, you said Coyle came to you and said that I was erratic and that I'm spending and that I'm. I'm. And that I'm always late. And that's the same thing that she told Bose because.
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Yeah, I said, well, she's overwhelmed. What the you want from us? She's an overwhelmed, erratic.
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This is like exactly how I fight with my sister. Like, I'm dad. It's like my sister. It's like my non famous sister who stole my hair who always shows up and tries act like she gets an award for being the first one divorced in our family, is like, exactly the same as her.
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So Kyle said to you, Erica, she said it to a bunch of people behind my beak. And Kyle's like, oh, my God. Oh, my God, my headache. I'm getting such a headache. By the way, Kyle's tongue is going crazy today, licking the sides of her face.
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Yeah, she's really, really going nuts. The stress tongue. Do you think that you can bully me and Mike and I'm gonna accept it? She's like, can you guys, like, speak up and say what you've all been saying? Because I've only had a conversation with people who are saying the same thing. Guys come and go, go. Of course no one wants to say anything because it's Beverly Hills. They all sit there and, like, look at their peas on their plate. I mean, Kyle would be much more effective. I would say that she would be much more effective not saying, like, everyone's been saying it. Everyone's saying it's just say there is a concern amongst all of us that this divorce is hitting you hard. And given that you have a situation, a business situation with PK that's not looking great, that maybe you should rein it in. And then if no one backs up, just be like, that's the concern, whether people want to say it or not. But like, she's like, can someone help? Come on, I need some backup here. Where's the backup?
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I don't think that that would even be Cool. Because it's not cool to come to somebody and being like, you're. You're acting like an. In your divorce. Because Dorit's not really doing anything except being late. That's the only. If they just. Again, if they just said this was about being late, but she's making. She's like, well, I talk to everybody, says the same thing and. But you're mad at me. No, they're not saying the same thing. It's like saying. Well, it's like calling everybody, you know, and being like, oh, my God, what's going on with Iran right now? Can you believe it? And then you go to the table and you're like, oh, my God, everybody's been talking about Iran. Yeah, because you called everybody to talk about it. That's why. And I'm just saying.
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I'm just saying that would, I think, be a more effective way for her to communicate this point that she's trying to make, even though the point.
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I don't even know what her point is. She's. Because she's saying, you're mad at me, Dorit. You're mad at me and giving me shit all the time for how I'm talking to you. But everybody's talking about it, but they're not talking about it that way. And Dorit's not giving Kyle a hard time about how she's talking to her. All Dorit's doing is defending herself every time Kyle brings it up over and over again, every scene. And then Kyle's like, why are you always coming for me? She's not coming for you. She doesn't care about you. She found a new friend.
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Well, the other thing is that, like, Kyle's concern, quote, unquote. Quote unquote, concern for Dorit is really not landing because she's wrapping it up in a larger issue of when Bo says something, you listen, but when I say something, you don't listen. So it's actually more about Kyle right now, and it's not about concern for dorit, but she's sort of attaching the two things together. And so Dorit's not going to hear any of it because it's just all a big complaint that Kyle has about, like, why don't you pay attention? Like, why is it when I say something, you don't pay attention? Why not? And the reason why she doesn't take what Kyle has to say is because a Kyle doesn't truly stand in it because she has to be like. And they say it too.
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Right.
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Doesn't anyone have my back. It's not just me. It's not just me. It's not just me. And then on top of that, not only does she not just stand in it, but she has a larger context of being kind of shitty as a friend. First by acting like they weren't even friends in the first place, which she did a few years ago at the reunion, and then by, like, texting, you know, jokes and memes to pk. So, like, of course Dorit's not gonna hear any of it.
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Yeah. So Rachel's like, it hurts when someone says that. Everybody is thinking something like, we all. That is damaging. I mean, that's, like, mean girl stuff. And I'm not saying Kyle's mean, but I think that it exacerbates the situation when you bring every buddy into it. Okay. Roll over the stone, look in the cave, and I'll still be there. Because I'm dead. Last supper. I'm dead.
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It's dangerous when you say we all. That's why I have a problem with the Constitution. We, the people. Like, who the people a lot.
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Who are the people? Am I the people? I'm like. I'm not a people. I'm a person. A dead person. Put that in the Constitution.
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Yeah, like, I have the right to be dead people. I hereby proclaim these truths to be true. Moisturize at camp, and then be done.
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No E bikes. No bikes.
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Every conversation I've had is with, like, other people who are saying the same thing. I wasn't just me gossiping. Okay? Erica just said that when you had the conversation with her, she didn't agree. She said she thinks I'm overwhelmed. So it wasn't a mutual feeling? Coil and.
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Yeah, I mean, what? The same difference level. I said it. I said it.
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And Sutton is like. Okay, can we just stop with that stupid word? I've heard it so many times, I can't even count how many times I've heard it. You know, I'm so. But as far as being erratic, I don't believe I'm being erratic. I've had. I. You know, I've been going through a lot, especially these last few months, and it's not like I'm not sharing. I'm saying. I'm saying my life isn't. I'm not saying my life is perfect, but when you see me, I'm. I'm clearly overwhelmed. I'm not erratic, Dorit. You are. You're juggling lots of meatballs in your hand right now. Well, I just decided to do this Right now, out of nowhere. That's all.
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I'm not erratic. Not erratic at all. But I said, it's understandable that you're like this right now. And. But I'm not even getting any grace. And she's like, but you are getting grace. 3. Like when you showed up an hour and a half late and left us on the tarmac. And then you didn't apologize. I mean, come on. And then we didn't call you out then because we were giving you grace.
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And so Sutton's like, I mean, you didn't even say hello. It's like, oh, I didn't say, I'm so sorry. I didn't. Didn't I come on the plane, say, you guys, guys, I'm so sorry for being so late. It was not my intention, and I apologize. And here's some. Some gifts I got you along the way to express my sorrow.
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They're like, no, and see this one? And Kyle accuses them all of not having her back and, like, making her do this on her own. But this, because it is the being late thing. Everybody does come in and say, yeah, you didn't even say hello, Dorit. You know, they all jump in on this because this is just part of it. It's, like, valid, you know? So Dorit's like, okay, okay, okay. Well, I apologize now, okay, for keeping you guys waiting and for every time I've been late. I apologize to everyone here. Noodley Couthie, Rachel Booze, Satine, Irikle, Jennifer Coyle, the waiter. The basket of bread, which no one is ever gonna touch this tablecloth. I'm so sorry. Tablecloth. I'm sorry. Italy. I'm sorry. Sorry for the ass on the statue of David.
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I'm sorry to the man setting gelato. I apologize to him. To the opera singers who regaled us with beautiful music. I apologize to them. I apologize to literally every single person that I could even think of. Like, ah, what about Amanda? Amanda. Cuz she just skips. She. She even. She honestly, even thanks. Someone named Megan who maybe is a producer, but Amanda's right there. Like, she goes down the line and just skips. Amanda. I mean, it's like, oh, my God. She's like, oh, Amanda, I'm sorry. I didn't see you. Sutton was literally covering you. She's. She has a. A wide head, so you can't really see beyond it. It's like trying to look past Charlie Brown, if you will. Or Lucy, I should say. It's very difficult to see past you, Sutton.
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I Hope you know I would never purposely skip over you. I hope you know that. Am now. Obviously, I wouldn't have forgotten you. I'm so sorry. Amanda as well.
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And did you guys know Amanda was on this trip?
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Amanda's like, it's okay. Well, how did you skip over Amanda when she's literally sitting right in front of your face?
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I feel like Kyle is on a mission to make me look bad. First by constantly defending PK and then we see flashbacks of Kyle doing that. Then she talks to all the women instead of coming straight to me. And now she makes an enormous deal out of me. Nothing. Gee, honestly, what else would her goal be if not just to make me look bad? So I love the two of them. The two of them are both so conspiratorial about each other. It's hilarious. Like, you will listen to anyone but me. You're on a mission to make me look bad. Like, you guys just both hate each other, and you're taking swipes wherever you can, and that's just how it is.
A
And they also know each other because they've been doing this to other people for years. They've been ganging up on people for years, and they're using the same tactics they're trying to use against each other. And it's so funny because they learned it from each other. You know, they're like, okay, well, I know what you're doing. You're going, you're talking about me trying to plant seeds over here to make me look bad on camera. And they're both right. That is kind of what they're both doing.
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But, yeah, you know, so Kyle's like, oh, my God, you skipped Amanda on purpose. You didn't.
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You.
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You're acting like you didn't see Amanda. She was right there. And so I goes, well, I mean, I was. I was, like, leaning. I mean, I was sort of like, I was sort of doing. You know, I am on the man on the. You know, abt. You know, learn. Trying to learn some ballet moves. And so I was. It was an honest mistake. It could have been like, I don't want to get in trouble here, okay? I.
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Normal thing when people don't really notice me. Happened a lot in my marriage. You know, it even happened to me shopping the other day. I was at my good friend Dolce Incubators, and, you know, they tried to put me on a hanger, which was weird. I said, I'm a person. So they put me down, and then they just started throwing clothes over my head. I'm Not a discard pile. I'm a person. So, yeah, I'm.
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Once upon a time there was light in my life now there's only love in the dark Nothing I could do. Total eclipse of the Sutton. Sorry, Amanda, I. I eclipsed you. Was it obviously sudden?
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Please be quiet, Kyle. Son's like, well, I'm not gonna be quiet. I'm not gonna. Okay, I'll tell you what I'm not gonna do is be quiet. Okay. I was just explaining that I was leaning forward and someone threw a patch made on my head. Sorry, I didn't see you. Like, I'm dead. No one did that.
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Literally no one could see me outside of my Bob. And so Kyle's like, you are literally kissing Druid's ass. When in reality, you've had more to say about the Kelly bag than Bose did. By the way, Kyle being so focused on this Kelly bag is so peak. Kyle, you know, because, of course, all that Kyle can focus on is someone else has a nice bag. Kyle.
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Kyle measures everything in everyone else's purses. So you know how we were talking yesterday? You were saying. Or whenever we were doing Summer House, you were like, what is it with when two guys are outside? Why do they have to pee next to each other? And I'm like, because that's a thing. You go stand next to your guy friend, you look at each other's wieners, and you size each other up. I mean, it's like a normal thing. And that's Kyle in these purses. You know, she's always going to stand next to you. Look in that damn purse. So we see a flashback to the villa and when Sutton was on the couch with Bose. And Bose is like, I told Dorit that I was concerned. Concerned about her finances and the purse she bought with her book advance. And Sutton's like, well, but was the bag like, rent the Runway or the real Real. I mean, we'll never know.
B
We'll never know, by the way. But this is, like, supposed to be the big evidence that Sutton's talking about the bag. I don't know. So Kyle is like.
A
It is evidence that Bose has been doing it. Like, they've shown. They have shown scenes where Bose is talking to people concerned. But it comes as more believable to Bose because she's like, is she in trouble? Whereas Kyle's just like, dorit, you know this.
B
I think there's also the element of the fact that Bose is a smart lady and she's worked in corporate America. And so even though she wasn't on the finance side of it, you know, she was on the marketing side. There's a sense that, like, Bose understands facts and figures. I feel like that that's like an assumption that they all have. Like, well, she worked in corporate America, so she understands. If she's. If Bo says that there's a financial crisis coming from my life, I believe it. Like, but if Kyle says that people are like, whatever, Kyle.
A
Well, Bose also is coming at it, like, in an HR way. And, you know, even though she wasn't in hr, everybody in office knows HR speak, you know, and so if something is brought to your attention, it's like, okay, let's sit down and discuss this. Your finances have been brought up and I do see that that could be worrisome. Let's discuss your finances, you know, and why were you touching someone's butt at the copy machine? You know, like just very calmly bringing it out. Whereas Kyle's like, do you think she's crazy? Do you think we should lock her up?
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Talking coat rack, Please, not right now. But I'm saying she cares more about what you're doing, Kyle, because, like, you guys have, like, years a friendship, like, years. And Erica's like, well, hello, the rules are not the same. The rules are not the same because Kyle keeps bringing it up. Well, it's making me crazy. And Kyle's like, well, I'm so tired of being the punching bag. I'm just so tired of it.
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You know what? They have such deep rooted issues because they've been going through it so hard. And, like, you're hardest on the people you love the most. Thanks, Rachel. So Erica's like. She's like, well, I heard something today, something you said at lunch where you said you could end Kyle. And so we have a flashback to earlier in the day when the cast was, like, having lunch and Sutton was saying, so by the way, earlier at our lunch, Dorit said she could have ended Kyle. And now we go to that. We come back to the dinner table and do. It's like, the only thing I eat today was gelato. And she's like, well, the lunch with you, me and Rachel, you guys went to the wrong flashback. Now go to the other flashback.
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And now we had lunch with Rachel and a chair that people threw their discarded clothes on. That was me. That was me. Damn it. I'm here. I'm here.
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We go to a flashback of sudden valeting her Carter restaurant. No, not that flashback. Come on, get to the lunch flashback. Why are we going through a these other flashbacks Just to get the lunge flashback
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and do. It's like I have protected coil for years at all costs, even when I felt most betrayad and I could have blown her whole life up. So she didn't say she could have ended Kyle. She just said she could have blown her whole life up. Well, which is a mis.
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Similar, similar, similar.
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But that's different when you say, like, I could have blown up her spot. Meaning, like, I could have have. I could have said a lot of things that Kyle's told me. Like, there's a lot of stuff that I haven't said that's very different than saying, like, I could end her. I mean, that's like.
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I agree. And by the way, look at this. This is like a retread of. This is. I mean, you could sort of draw parallels between this and Pinocchio Gate and all the people who are so mad at Bose. The people who are like, she was being such a. I hope you then have the Same energy for Dorit, for pretending like she doesn't know that she said this thing. And the reason why I actually believe that to read doesn't remember this because I don't think Tariq ever says. She's probably in her mind saying, when did I ever say I would end Kyle? Like, I never said that. But, like, because it's a different thing to say end someone versus, like, I could have blown up her life. I could have liked. I could have totally talked about certain things, you know? So Sutton is like, well, you said I could have ended Kyle. Andrew's like, well, I can't actually try, even try to fathom what that I would have meant for me to ever say that. Kyle's like, look at that. See, look. Your bad friend. Okay, so you guys were gossiping about me. How's that? Now that's gossip. That's gossip right there. Okay, now you're gossiping about me.
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Yeah, it's like, no, that. That's gossip. No, that's a threat.
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It's not really gossip.
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She didn't say anything that could have ended. You shouldn't talk about your long relationship that you're still refusing to talk about as you buy a house in Nashville and pretend you broke up with that lady Kyle. So Kyle's like, what friend talks like that? Dorit will use the excuse of being upset with me, like, and, like, I didn't jump on my hate PK bandwagon. You know I didn't do that. And she knows I don't talk to PK So, like, what's the real reason for having this resentment towards me? Like, am I just a scapegoat because you're miserable in your life right now?
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Is that why did Kyle get mad at other cast members for being friends with Kathy when she was having beefs with Kathy?
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I'm trying to remember Dorit. That's when all of this started, and that's why it's important, you know, sarcastic or not. But.
B
Well, no, I was. Well, no, I was like, half and half, because I'm like, I seem to remember Kyle got mad at people for being friends with Kathy when she melted down.
A
This is the last time meltdown was in Aspen when Kyle freaked out on Dorit was like, for me. You're not there for me. But that's when all this started, because dorit was standing up for Kathy, and that's why it's important with Beverly hills. It's one of the slowest moving shows on bravo these days and for the past few years. But you have to kind of know the lore because these fights start over something very small and they go for years and they're fighting about this Dorit being laid or whatever it is now. But what they're really fighting about is Dorit not standing up for Kyle against Kathy and Aspen. By the way, Kathy didn't even do anything to Kyle back then. Kyle was doing the same to Kathy then. Like, you're on my back and. Right.
B
And that's why it doesn't land very well for us when Kyle says things like, oh, well, she's upset that I didn't jump on the I hate PK bandwagon because it's like. But you hold people to a different standard because you get very angry at people and you hold years long grudges against people if they don't jump on the your bandwagons.
A
That's true. Yeah, that's a good point. And also, it's not that she. It's not that you didn't jump. You did jump on the PK bandwagon. It's just the other side. Like, you've had many scenes with Mauricio talking about Dorit getting PK story about out there, about how Dorit's unstable and how she's won't give PK any visitation and all of the stuff that PK's wanted to get out. You're the reason that's out, because you sat there and had those scenes with Mauricio and gotten them out there on purpose. Kyle, she's so like, manipulative and gets everything in there that she wants to and then cries like a victim. Normally she cries like. Like a victim when she's called out on something. But Dorit's not even calling her out. That's what's crazy to me. It's like Kyle's just like, she was expecting a fight and she wasn't getting a fight. So now she's just fighting with herself until she makes Dorit crazy, which works.
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And now she's like, what's the real reason for having this resentment towards me? Am I just a scapegoat? Cuz you're miserable in your life right now? Well, probably, yes, actually, but. But also, like, you set the stage for you to be the scapegoat. Like you. You. You put the carrots out on the field for the. For the scapegoat to come walk it up over to and munch on, you know, so like, you know, it's like, it's not coincidental that you're the scapegoat. So Kyle's like, treat. I don't want you to continuously look for the worst in me when everyone has shared the same sentiment. You always focus on me, like, what are you, Michael Myers in the franchise that I'm a star of? I mean, I have tried to be there for you. I have told you that I love you and your family, and I've even told your ex that as well. And I've supported you over and over again, just as I have PK Even more so. PK that's how supportive of a friend I am. And I've said nothing mean or negative to your face, only to PK about you. And, I mean, I just made an observation that a lot of people here agreed with, but it was all coming from a place of love and perhaps a little jealousy and maybe some resentment. And if you want to continue to look for the negative in me all the time, then you don't have to be my friend. And with that, I put my tongue in the corner of my mouth and I say adieu.
A
But you guys aren't friends. And you said it yourself multiple times. You're not friends with dorit anymore. This whole last season, it was like, I barely even knew to read. What? I mean, she doesn't like to exercise, so we don't hang out. And then this year, you're like, well, we haven't talked to dorit. Maybe dorit and I can come to a better place if Dorit blob xyz so you haven't been friends with dorit for years. So the fact that you're up here like, oh, then you don't have to be my friend. That's another thing. Like, you're coming after her all year, pretending like you're coming from a place of friendship when you've said multiple times you're not even friends with dorit.
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Yeah.
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So annoying.
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That's the thing. Oh, sorry.
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Go ahead.
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No, I think I've said it many times. I think kyle is the one who poisoned this relationship when she got on that reunion stage and acted like she and dorit, like, dorit was cuckoo for cocoa puffs for thinking that they were ever close friends as opposed to just, like, work acquaintances. And that. That ruined it.
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Yeah. So the table. First of all, the table's annoyed because it's another dinner. This trip sucks. Anyway, let's face it, this has not been a good trip. It's been. It's been one of the worst of housewives. So they're all bored. They go to this final dinner and they have to leave. Listen to this again. So they're all just sitting there so bored, and they're just watching them fight back and forth. And then Bose is like, well, that was a little cold, Kyle. And she's like, well, I don't need to be your friend, you know, because I have other amazing friends who like, love me and I love them. Jamie Lee Curtis, for example. And like, I'm done. I'm done, okay? I'm done. I'm done fighting with you. I mean, the pit, that was a show called ER that I was on. I'm just saying, okay? And like, I do love you and I wish you the best. And you know Anthony Edwards, like, why couldn't we call him? And that's all I'm saying. Like, it's sad that you continue wanting to see the worsted me, even though that's all I'm showing you.
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So Kyle's like, friendship should not be this much work. I'm already fighting with a husband of 30 years, even though I just said that a million times, that we're having the smoothest divorce ever. And we're kind of like the paragon for how people should separate, huh? And I'm like, trying to fight for that relationship. So you think I'm gonna, like, work this hard for a friend who doesn't appreciate me? No, I won't. Like, okay.
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She's like, trying to throw in a
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thing there to be like, I'm also going through it, America.
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I'm trying to fight for that relationship with my husband. As you can see by the house I just bought in Nashville to bring my girlfriend. What are you talking about? You're such a fucking liar, Camille.
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Are you fighting for that relationship? I don't think so. Anything. I mean, we all remember. Was it last year or two years ago when he's like, a love being. You want to go to the park? No. You're disgusting.
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Get away from me.
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Go away. I got a tattoo that says Mauricio, but not literally, of course.
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So she, like, pulls at her blazer and sits down and like, she's like, case dismissed, you know? So Dre is like, you really believe that, don't you coil that. I'm really looking for the worst in you. I'm just like, no, I know it. I know it, Dorit. I know it.
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You know, you're their God unprotective right now. And I don't know that you believe that Kyle truly cares about you, because you seem to very defensive. Well, yeah, well, right, but do you not see that this group of friends here supports you. I mean, Natalie can't shut up down there. She just keeps on saying, dorito read. I love to read. God, Natalie, quiet down over there.
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But this makes me crazy that Erica's like, well, you're being pretty defensive. You're at a dinner of. You're confronting her at a dinner of a dinner table full of people for like the third time. Of course she's going to be defensive. So she's like, we're supportive. And Dorit just is like. And Buzz is like, what? Support feels best for you? And she's like, well, they come straight to a face. That's what she just said. So that's. That's what we. That's what we did. She goes, I know, but that's not enough, right? That can't be enough. So what is it? She's like, well, that's what she said many times all day today. Come to me, come to me, come to me.
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Booze. And this is. This is where Dorit messes it up for herself. I think booze.
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You have showed me more support then everyone in this group put together.
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I was like, that's. I'm sorry, you can't say that. That isn't. That's a. That is. Rude. Bose has shown her total support. But like you. I'm sorry, that was. When she said that, I was like, oh, this is not good. This is about to blow up in her face.
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Yeah, I figured it would blow up on her face, but I didn't think it was that bad. Bad to say because Kyle and Kyle's been working against her the whole season, clearly. And Erica's team Kyle. And she's coming at her with Kyle, with her, with her, nothing. So.
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Well, Erica's like, wow, wow. And then dra.
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Podcast Summary: Watch What Crappens #3295 – RHOBH S15E16, Part 1: "One Foot Out The Dorit" (April 3, 2026)
Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam dive into episode 16 of Season 15 of The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, digging into the explosive dynamics among the “Fox Force Five” (primarily Kyle, Dorit, and Erika). As the cast wraps their Italian trip, tensions boil over at the so-called “Last Supper,” with friendships fracturing, accusations flying, and memorable one-liners flying thick. Ben and Ronnie bring their signature snark, humor, and Bravo devotion to break down the episode and its standout moments.
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End of Part 1 Recap. Listen for Part 2 for the dramatic conclusion!