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Ronnie
Who cares what happens when there's so much that happens? Who cares what happens when there's so much that crappens? Hello and welcome to Watch what Crappens, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. This is part two of the recap. If you missed part one, go check out your podcast feed. It's right there. And without further ado, let's get right back into the recap.
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Amanda
And so Mia's like, you know, I have all this love to give and I don't have my mom to give it to. And Lindsay says, well, I don't think you know this about me, but I don't talk to my mom. And she says, and now that she has a baby girl, that's very healing for her. But you know, it'll happen when this happens.
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Ronnie
Basically just like, yeah, having a baby is very healing for me. And if it's not healing, at least it's a good distraction. So there's that like I love that Lindsay Hubbard logic. So now we go back to North Carolina and Sierra meets with her mom, Sheila. They go to a coffee shop and Sheila is also like, very low key that, you know, like, we see where Sierra gets it from. So they're talking about the summer and buying this house, etc. And Sierra is just like, looking forward to. She just wants to have, like, she doesn't see herself living in New York City long term. She ultimately would like to raise a family, you know, in the countryside so she can have a couple of cats and a couple of dogs and a goat and a horse and a cow and a pig. I was like, and a lot of bills, I'd like to add. And we learned that her mom was like, is very country and had like multiple pigs growing up and. And all that, which is like, really sweet and cute and adorable.
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Amanda
So then we find out she's like, you know, Sierra, I haven't discussed with your dad anything about who really owns the house, but he's gonna find out. And she's like, well, he's gonna be pissed because I did it behind everyone's back. Which. What? I was like, what?
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Ronnie
What is this?
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Amanda
So Sheila's like, well, I mean, it wasn't behind his back. You just, you know, it was something that you wanted and you. You found a way to buy it. So she tells the producer, yeah, my dad will know that I bought it because he's going to watch a show, but I didn't tell him. And she says, you know, she tells us the story from last week that she knows her grandparents house is home because her parents were always moving around so much. And so it was really important. And she's like, you know, and I just wanted to get the house fair and square, so I didn't want to jump through family special hoops. So I just had to find a real estate agent, get an attorney, have my accountant make a separate llc, have my accountant make a trust, and then make up a name for the trust Trust. And then buy the house under the trust and then send my realtor to court, my dad and his family. And then they rejected my offer, so I put in another offer and then I got the house. So it was easy. Very, very simple.
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Ronnie
I love this for her. I love this twist. This is like very soap opera. It's like, wait a second, we just found out the person who bought the house is Sierra. Like, they're gonna have a great moment when that all gets revealed over there. But basically, the way I read it between the lines is she doesn't want any drama from her family in the sense of like, like she just wants to own it. And I think she knows if she goes to her family it'll be like, well Uncle Richard owns this part or a wall but you've got to get like aunt, Aunt Bernice to say this or whatever. And like she's like, I don't want any strings attached that will come with family. I don't want any guilt trips about this and that or whatever. Or like, well, I let you have a discount on this house and this is how you pay me back. She's just like, I'm buying it. And I love that. I love that she did that. And you know, I'm sure her dad will be really pissed. But you know what, this is good revenge because he's done a lot of shitty things to her. So get that house, Ciara.
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Amanda
Yeah. And so her mom, she's crying, talking about it and how important the house is to her and like to have something to pass on to her kids and generational wealth and stuff like that. And so her mom tells her she loves her and she's like. And they have a nice, you know, it's nice. So then it's Friday, August 15th and it's totally normal because it's 4:05pm which is weird. It's not 406 or 404. It's like 405. So yes, I. It's a good omen.
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Ronnie
It's a good omen that something is happening on one of the, one of the significant hashes on a clock, you know? Yeah, I was like, I was like. Because part of me was like, they're not shooting the scene at 404, are they? Because that'd be a little weird. Like this is a 405 scene.
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Amanda
So Jesse, Bailey, Dara and KJ are in one car and west is driving the car and they're like, oh my God. It's Dar's first, first weekend in the house. My God, it's like, oh my God. Everyone, we have a rage filled weekend because I'm Dara, I love rage. And I mean, I don't mean in an angry way though. I just mean fun felt.
- [06:23]
Ronnie
She really does talk like a sitcom character. I'm kind of like fascinated by her like GGIF style banter. And so Bailey west is back too. He had a quick trip to Italy and Bailey is like, so how was Italy? He's like, it was sick. Like it's like all my boys from home and like we Just, like, ripped it, you know? And by the way, this is a guy who's so desperate for fame that he flew out on Monday and was like, no, I absolutely cannot miss a weekend of shooting Summer House, even though I'm in basically the most beautiful part of the like. Of, like, I'm in Italy and, you know, beautiful ceremony and everything. I don't know. Like, to me, it's crazy that he was already back by. By Friday. But then I'm. As I'm saying this, I'm realizing the flight from Italy to New York is much shorter than from Italy to la. And I'm so used to going like that. Like, people who go to, you know, this is like, honestly one of the stupidest points I could have ever make on this podcast. I'm like, I'm just, like, trying to find a way to shame west about. Like, why would you leave? Wow, you left Italy to come shoot the show you're obligated to shoot. Wow, you're a fame whore. This is not my strongest work.
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Amanda
He'll give you something. Don't worry. It's West. He'll give you plenty. So I was just ready.
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Ronnie
I was so ready to go, too. I was so ready to go on this point. And as I said it, I was like, this is falling apart on me.
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Amanda
I'm so mad at his travel plans. Who flies Monday through Friday?
- [07:50]
Ronnie
Who makes sure they're back for their job when they can be in Italy?
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Amanda
So he's saying they're like, so, how was it? And he's like, well, flying's kind of a right now. But, like, my boys were fly. Like, we were fly. Like, we'd, like, had, like, my boys, my boys. And Jesse goes, well, did you cry? And he goes, well, I mean, I did go to the desk help lady, whatever, and I asked her for help. And they're like, at the wedding, Wes, we're not talking about the airport. So the other car, it's Mia, Sierra, and Carl and Ben is driving that one, and they're, like, so excited. And Mia's like, oh, my God, I'm so excited about this weekend. It's Friday. We're going to sit by the pool. It's going to be amazing. Like, what is wrong with you? She's like, I had cold brew.
- [08:36]
Ronnie
Sorry, I've been there, been there. It reminded me of you. I'm like, not only have I been there, I am currently there. Did you not just hear me try to wrestle up pitchforks for coming back from Italy? So then Amia is like, ah, Go, bro. So Sierra says, by the way, Mia and I went to Lindsay's birthday lunch and I asked her about the text that she sent you. And so we see this flashback to Lindsay having a birthday lunch and. And she was saying, you know, Carl's gift was like, really thoughtful. And like, he like, got Gemma, like a book about, like, being in New York City maybe. And it was like, really nice. And so, like I said, you know, I thought I deserved like a thank you dice, you know, and so Carl was like, y' all back to present. Carl's like, oh, y'.
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Amanda
All.
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Ronnie
I saw Lindsay Hubbard pop up on the phone. I was like, oh.
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Amanda
I was like, oh, my God, I need to make my notification softer.
- [09:28]
Ronnie
That really hurt my leg. It vibrated really, really hard. It was really hard. That was like a hard haptic. It was a lot to take on. Like, I haven't had a text mer in like, almost two years.
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Amanda
So.
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Ronnie
Progress. Yeah.
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Amanda
Could you be friends with her again? He's like, I don't want to say never, but, you know, like, I don't know. But like, she invited me to her housewarming, so that was good. But like, I mean, I don't know, like, she, she. Last week, you know, she did invite me because last week marks five years anniversary that my brother's been gone. And, you know, it's emotional and I appreciate you reaching out, Mia. And she's like, oh, my God, no problem. And he says that Jesse messaged him, which was cool because Jesse wasn't even there that summer. And you can only feel for the death of someone's brother if they knew you exactly when it happened or something. He's like, but he checked in. And not that I was asking for anything special from anybody, but it is nice to hear from your friends. And then in west car, Jesse's like, yesterday I met with Carl and Ben, and Carl's like, kind of going through it, you know, because it was the anniversary of his brother's death, speaking, passing. And Kyle didn't text him, you know, he just instead he instagrammed about Lindsay's birthday. So that's going to be a big one. It's going to be a big one.
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Ronnie
And so car's like, y'. All. I mean, last week has definitely been rough. Like, not to like, hog the conversation, but like, okay, well, on a lighter note, I met Sabrina. We bonded. Oh. So when I said not to hog the conversation, that was my way of saying, I'm about to hog the conversation. I'm aware of it, but that's okay. We could talk about Sabrina. That's cool, too.
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Amanda
So Ben's like, well, I need to have a little chat with Amanda at some point. You know, coming off the back of Lindsay's housewarming, Sabrina told me that everybody was talking and Amanda went up to her and said, you know, Ben's been great the whole time. Everybody in the house thinks that he's in love with me, but apart from that, that's fine. And I was like, hold on. What? You know, I don't understand where that comes from. Like, what do you get out of that? What do you get out of that?
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Ronnie
You know, it is kind of crazy that Amanda said that to, like, the girl that Ben is with. That's a good. Is kind of like an undermining thing to do. I don't know why I wasn't more upset about this, though. I think part of it is because this girl Sabrina came in super over sharing and like, I don't know, it's like, well, you want to hear an overshare? You're about to get one. But there's all. I just feel like. I feel like Ben is very protective about his image and he's like, really trying to make us feel like he's this, like, nice guy thing.
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Amanda
And.
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Ronnie
And like, if it's like, he's not. If he's not in love with Amanda, like, it's like, I don't know, he's just. He should just be like, yeah, that's crazy that she would say that. People are just, like, giving me about it, but it's not real and just like, move on. But he's. This is now going to be the second time he's going to get pissy about it. And it's like, bro, I'm sorry. Like, you cannot do this whole thing of that. Like, you're nervous and you're shy, and then you get this, like, steely anger towards the women now two times in a row. I don't like it.
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Amanda
Yeah. And Ben saying. So Ben's saying that Sabrina and Amanda had a very beautiful heart to heart at the party. And we see a clip of this. And the heart to heart is Amanda being like, I'm fully aware of what I'm going through. And I love hearing other people's experiences too. And he says that Sabrina was not pleased about the comment Amanda made. And now she's upset and she's like, why are you saying that? And, like, why is this guy, like, why is he saying he's in love with you and not me? Like, what What. What are you doing? And he's now pissed off, basically.
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Ronnie
But, like, also, Sabrina, you're complicit as part of this thing of, like, having a secret romance while he goes onto a reality TV show and pretends to be single. And then, like, someone picks up on a vi. Like, a single vibe that he's pretending, and then you're, like, upset that he, like, gave off a single vibe when you're pretending part of this ruse this whole time. So, like, I. I don't know. Like, I mean, like, on a human level, I get why Sabrina would be like, oh, well, this. Like, that's a bitchy thing to say. Like, it is. Like, what Amanda said is. Is kind of. It's kind of like, it's. It's a little. It's just rude to say that just to the. To the girl that's dating a guy. But also, like, Sabrina and Ben are doing some stupid charade of him being single on the show when we know that they were together the whole time. So, like, I also, like, I kind of don't have sympathy for, like, what? Whoa. Sabrina's upset right now? Like, yeah.
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Amanda
I mean, making comments. Like, making joke comments to somebody is one thing, but saying, like, yeah, everybody thinks he's in love with me is pretty. That's a pretty big thing to joke about because you know you're gonna make another woman uncomfortable. Like, yeah.
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Ronnie
Even with a joke, you know, And
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Amanda
Amanda does have that kind of catty side to her, so it's like, what. What was she doing? You know? But Ben also does not need to spin out about it.
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Ronnie
Exactly. Exactly.
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Amanda
So.
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Ronnie
And, like, Amanda. I think one of Amanda's, like, least appealing qualities is that she does have, like, a very sarcastic and kind of, like. I don't want to say in this. Just has a sarcastic side of her that I think can become very tiresome. And I think this is probably, like, her doing that again. And it's like, you know, it's just, like, it's gonna get you in trouble sometimes when you're sarcastic like that. But again, I think Ben's issue is more annoying to me, which is that he. I don't like how. I don't like that way when he gets upset, how he's. How he talked to Bailey and then how he talks to Amanda. I don't like that at all.
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Amanda
Yeah, there's. There's definitely, like, a creep side to him that I don't like either. When he gets upset, I don't like it. It's time for a commercial it's time for a crappin's commercial. One thing I need in my life is a treat. Okay? I love a treat. I need it after work. I need a treat before work. I need a treat while I'm driving somewhere. I need a treat. Unfortunately, having that much treat can be unhealthy. But not since I found cachava baby.
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Amanda
It does seem like a pointed thing to come from Amanda and especially when she was at that party and she said, what is this? What is Ben telling this girl? Like, why is she asking us all these questions like how does she know our whole lives after two seconds or whatever. So she kind of had her radar dinging about the girl anyway, so. So yeah, that she made that comment while she was thinking stuff. I don't know. It's like, it's a catty thing. But yeah, Ben spends spins out too much about it. Like, just tell the girl it was a joke at the house, you know. But Ben's upset because he didn't tell her because Amanda might have been thinking, now that we're talking about it, Amanda might have been thinking, oh, well, he's telling her everything. So he probably about how he got mad at Bailey because Bailey made that comment about me wanting to fuck Ben. So I'm gonna make it, you know, this funny thing that's actually very possible, you know, like, maybe I don't want this girl to hate me if she ends up coming to the house or whatever. So she might have been trying to smooth that over. But of course, Ben left out that part because he doesn't want to get in trouble with the girl.
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Ronnie
So that's actually a great point.
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Amanda
Now he's mad that he's being outed for keeping something from the girl.
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Ronnie
I think it's totally viable that Amanda assumed this girl already knew and she was trying to make light of what could possibly be an elephant in the room. But also, again, like, Amanda does have that super sarcastic side where these things don't always land very well.
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Amanda
Yeah, totally.
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Ronnie
But either way, I think her infraction is like minor compared to like, I just don't like. I think Ben's is worse to me than Amanda's in this situation. Plus we didn't even see the way what Amanda said. This is all just sort of what Ben is saying. So now Ben is going to talk to her and he's like, I don't know, it just seems so unnecessary. That shit's gone. That just upsets me a lot. I'm like, oh, relax, ma'. Am.
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Amanda
Yeah. And he says, I care about Sabrina and I'm excited she's coming and she's priority number one. And I'm gonna make sure that she knows that by getting on. By getting on Amanda also.
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Ronnie
Also, you know what I don't like? I don't like guys like this. Who when if we were to take his story at face value, his story is that they connected. They were had the best time together and she professed feelings to him. Probably said I love you before he was ready to say it back. And then he kind of like left her and ghosted her. That's his story with her. And I hate when people like, he, he like left her. He left her. He left her on red, essentially, quote unquote. And then he decides finally a few months later, oh, guess what? I haven't found a better option yet. So I'm going to go back to her and I like her a lot. And like, now don't you all fuck this up for me. Because she matter the most to me. I'm like, does she really matter the most to you? Because you weren't with her for the past three months after she was like, sort of bore her heart for you. So like I kind of don't like, like, oh, we have to stop everything. Because he cares so much about her because he just decided that like three days ago.
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Amanda
Yeah. And he's kind of a typical summer house guy and that he's like, okay, I'm gonna make my make dump this girl so I can be single for the show. But now I'm not getting any ass on the show and I still want a romantic storyline or I'm not gonna have anything going on. So she's gonna be my romantic stuff storyline. And now I'm going to bring her in and then at now get mad and now act like I've been caping for her the whole time. He's. I don't know. Yeah, he's I don't like him. You know, he's not hateable. Like, I don't hate him. He's not like a West, where Wes, you know, people like west and Jesse just. My hackles raise with those guys. And he's not really giving me that, but he's giving me. There's. There's a definite.
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Ronnie
Yeah. Yeah. So everyone arrives at the. At the house, and they're like, arriving in. Mia announces that she's gonna make some guacamole. Wow. It's a changing of the guard.
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Amanda
And then, yeah, they really are spinning off this show. They're like, okay, we need someone in here, a new cast member who can make guacamole. Who's it gonna be?
- [21:54]
Ronnie
Who's it gonna be? But that was always my role.
- [21:58]
Amanda
You're not on the show anymore, Amanda. Okay? It's over for you.
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Ronnie
And then they're just sort of like arriving and. Etc and so can we see a flashback, by the way, to the car where KJ is telling Wes. He's like, bro, I saw your slideshow. And like, how about that absolute dump truck of yours? And we see that Wes has a butt, a big old butt, and he's showing it off in his pictures on Instagram.
- [22:25]
Amanda
That is definitely his best quality, is that much. So then west goes to take a shaker to make margs. And there is blue cheese that they've left in there at his rotted. And they're like, don't even wash it. Just throw it away. No, wash it.
- [22:43]
Ronnie
He sniffs and he goes. They're like, what's in there? He goes, it couldn't be worse.
- [22:53]
Amanda
There's blue cheese in there. Like, oh, throw it away. So now Amanda and Kyle come and they're, you know, they all decide they're going to go to the driving range and mini golf, so they're going to do that later. And then Carl's like, oh, it's five o'. Clock. Bailey says, you have two watches. You better know what time it is, because he has a watch on each wrist. Why does he have a watch on each wrist? What is that? Is that a running thing?
- [23:19]
Ronnie
It's. Yeah. That way when you're running and your arms are in front of you, maybe you can always see the time. It's just my little hack.
- [23:25]
Amanda
I get double the rings. I get double the activity rings. That way.
- [23:29]
Ronnie
Yeah. Like, so, Daryl, since it's your first weekend in the house officially, do you have anything that you would like to do tonight? She goes, I would love all of us to hold hands and share our deepest, darkest secrets. Laugh track. Or instead, we can go out and get drunk. Huh? It's like, okay.
- [23:48]
Amanda
Yeah. So now outside, Jesse and Ben are talking. And Jesse's like, still. How about that? Right in. I decided I'm just gonna. Myself. And Ben's like, yeah, well, you know, it was taking a bit out of me there, but. And just. It's like, well, you're gonna talk to Kyle.
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Amanda
You're gonna talk to Carl. He's like, well, I mean, I would like to, at some point, very upset. I'm so upset that I shot a scene about it yesterday and then another one in the car on the way here, and I'm gonna shoot two more scenes about it today.
- [24:16]
Ronnie
Very, very upset. Yeah, I think you've been a great friend to Kyle, and I think you deserve that same thing back. So, y', all. It's just like. It's weird for me to, like, have him to go to him and, like, tell him about the anniversary that, like, my brother died. Like, a real. A real friend already knows that, you know? And Ben's like, yeah, I shouldn't have to mention this. Like, yeah, no, I shouldn't. It's like, it's insane. It's like. It's literally insane that I even have to broach it. Like, can you imagine? It's like. It's like. It's like looking at a barrel of pal and being like, we have to put a brooch on that. Like, it's just insanity.
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Amanda
Whoa. Listen, I'm sorry. I know this is going to come across heartless, but I can't. I can't not say something. When. When is this. When did this become a thing? I have not called somebody on the anniversary of a family member's death every single year for five years, ever. I've never done it. Have you?
- [25:06]
Ronnie
No. I mean, there have definitely been times where I will look at the calendar and I'll see and I'll be like, I'll shoot someone. Maybe a text message. I'll be like, hey, I know this may be a hard time for you, but, like, generally speaking, like, I sort of do it that first maybe. That maybe I might do it the first anniversary if I remember. If someone's, like, really close, I'll try to.
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Amanda
Yeah. If it's like. But I think miss or something, you know, this is the first year without your husband. I hope you're okay. You know, like, I'll check in. It's not like I'm a total monster, right? We just can't Imagine expecting somebody to be like, oh, Ronnie, this is when you're, you know. Yeah, best friend passed, you know, or this is when someone close to you passed away. I'm going to text you every single year about it on that. It's weird, you know, I don't get it. And I don't get. I can't imagine expecting that of somebody.
- [25:54]
Ronnie
I think that probably what happens is because Jesse texts and then because Mia texts, it's therefore more obvious that Kyle did not text. And so.
- [26:03]
Amanda
But for them to text, he must have said something to them because how else would they know? So he must have said something like, my brother's death is coming up on this day or something. So they're like, oh, my God. Carl obviously is still really feeling this thing. And so I'm gonna text him on this day because he just told me about it two days ago.
- [26:22]
Ronnie
Right, right, right. And I think that, like, you know, I understand why Carl is feeling some sort of way by the fact that not only did Kyle not text, but he posted a happy birthday to basically Carl's arch enemy on the show now. And that really hurts. But there is like a convention of announcing people's birthdays, like happy birthday to every year on someone's birthday. And unfortunately, there just is not the same convention for.
- [26:47]
Amanda
And you get reminders checking in.
- [26:49]
Ronnie
Yeah.
- [26:50]
Amanda
Facebooks and stuff like that. Lindsay, you don't get like, Carl's brother passed away reminder on Facebook, you know?
- [26:58]
Ronnie
Right.
- [26:58]
Amanda
It's not like an ical thing that pops up. And it's. It's not even that because even if. Even if I remembered and it was year five, I don't know that I would be like, five years later. I'm gonna. I don't know. I. Yeah, I think it's Carl being upset over the lover boy thing and he didn't get the answers he wanted. And he was. He's still resenting Kyle over the lover boy thing. And now he's gonna make this a thing to come after Kyle on TV because he knows Kyle's not getting, you know, he knows he's getting the. Already with Amanda because Kyle's acting like an. With Amanda. And then he tried the lover boy, the. The soft bar investing thing, and that didn't go for him. And so now he's going to come for this. I mean, honestly, I find it gross that Carl is going to use his brother's death to come at a friend on TV this way. I think. I think it's icky. I don't. Carl, I Don't care what anybody thinks. I don't, like, hate Carl, but I just, this whole new, like, Carl, everybody's like, oh, my God, Carl's so sweet. Carl is not sweet. Carl's a manipulative person. And I don't, this just rubbed me the wrong way.
- [28:00]
Ronnie
I don't, like, I've always felt, yeah, we've always felt that Carl is a manipulator. I do think that really he's just upset about the investing thing. And then, of course, you, it's now become a storyline. So you have people poking and prodding Carl. I mean, like, aren't you upset? Aren't you upset? So he's sort of like, at a base level, frustrated with Kyle. And then this thing comes along and then like, people, some people text him, but not Kyle. And he's already feeling a certain way about Kyle. So now it's like he feels that way even more. Whereas if he'd been in good standing with Kyle, he'd be like, oh, yeah, well, you know, he'd give Kyle the benefit of the doubt. But now he's not in a place where he wants to give Kyle the benefit of the doubt. So, like, I, I, like, I, I,
- [28:32]
Amanda
it's just like another thing. Pile on top of the cart's not a good friend me thing.
- [28:37]
Ronnie
But I also, but I also feel like it's just, I don't know, I do feel like Kyle. Let's, let's also not forget. Was Kyle an officiant in Carl and Lindsay's wedding? Was he supposed to be, was he supposed to be best man? Was he supposed to be in the, and, oh, he was the flower girl in the wedding. So let's not also forget that, like, all these little things that happen amongst people in life, they kind of come back. You know, it's like the moment you make Kyle the flower girl, you've kind of sent it, you've sent a message out there that, like, hey, I, I don't know if I value you as much as you value me, right? And not to put outsize importance on the flower girl thing, but it's like one of those little things in a friendship. And it's just like, I just feel like Kyle has actually extended himself quite a bit to Carl. He has also undermined Carl. Kyle is not perfect. But I feel like, I don't know, I, I, I kind of had that feeling too. Like, the, the, the nice guy part of me was like, well, you still should check in on your best friend. You know, on the anniversary of a Death in his life. But then there's a part of me that's like, But Carl has to start, like, moving forward with his life.
- [29:50]
Amanda
I think if on. I think for me, if Carl had come to Kyle and said, car, you know, Kyle, my brother, you know, passed away five years ago. This was the anniversary. I didn't even hear a text from you. That's so weird. Like, are you. Are you okay? Are you mad? Like, what's going on? Because normally you would text me. Maybe I would think, okay, maybe that's a little oversensitive, but whatever. I wouldn't really. It wouldn't ding me. You know what I mean? Because that's normal human emotion. But the fact that he went to shoot a scene with the guys about it to talk about it, to, like, rally the guys there, and then he did it again with the girls in the car, you know, with like a mixed. It doesn't matter, guys or girls. But I'm just saying, like, he had two full scenes to, like, get this going with every. Everybody in the house of like, oh, my God, Kyle's such an insensitive prick. Like, how can you not call someone when their brother dies? That's where I'm like, this guy's a manipulator. And he's. He's decided he's going to come for Kyle now, and this is how he's going to. He's going to use his brother's death to do it instead of having the balls to stand on the lover boy thing. I just think it's really gross, you know, And I'm not. That's obviously not saying Kyle's perfect. This whole season I've been screaming like, leave him, Amanda, for sake. I've not been team Kyle on this, on anything, but on this, I think Carl's being a typical, typical manipulating asshole. I don't think this is cool. This is a bad move.
- [31:01]
Ronnie
And I also remember when Carl was like, upset at Kyle when he was working at Lover Boy, and he felt like he was being used and abused at lover Boy. And then it turns out Kyle was like, like, no, I'm down to expand your role and give you something else. Write me a business proposal. And Carl just never did it. And like, there's always. I don't know. I think that Carl kind of sort of takes a lot from Kyle and he still expects more. And I feel like Kyle, he's been largely patient except for when he outed Carl being high on coke during a meeting at. At Lover Boy. But, like, by and large, I Think Kyle has actually given a lot to Carl. And I think he's just. I think he's actually being pretty chill by not being like, I've given you so much. You would be nowhere without me right now, you know? So I'm always like, you know, I just. I feel like Carl really presents things in one way, but there's. There's a larger story to be told.
- [32:01]
Amanda
He presents things always as a victim instead of somebody who's been helped to a tremendous degree by somebody who did not owe you that help, you know? Yeah, he gave. And we always say, when nobody would give you, he was paying your ass. When you were showing up there, blitzed out of your mind, coked up, showing up without your laptop, doing all that. He was keeping. Keeping you going. And you're still like, kyle didn't give me that, like, a. A tiny investment, by the way, $15,000. His rent is 10 grand a month. So it's not like he's just coming at him in these tiny little ways that are just. I just. I wouldn't be friends with someone like that. That's just a manipulator and a victim, a constant victim, this guy.
- [32:42]
Ronnie
Yeah, it's. It is. There definitely is that vibe that's going on there.
- [32:48]
Amanda
So.
- [32:49]
Ronnie
So he's upset either way. And Kyle's. And then. And then west, meanwhile, is like, hey, so, Kyle, have you talked to Carl today? I was like, no, I mentioned that, like, Carl is probably gonna want to talk to you. And do you know why? It's like, investor stuff or something like that. It's like, no, you didn't text him on his brother's passing day, which was the day before Lindsay's birthday. It's like, oh. And I think it hurt him a little bit, but I think because you posted a happy birthday to Lindsay, like, I think that hurt his feelings a little bit. So what's your wife up to right now, by the way?
- [33:30]
Amanda
Yeah, I was gonna say. So now you have west coming to add to it, to also villainize Kyle, when that clip was released of when west was going into the bathroom to check on Amanda. You've seen this, right? A couple weeks ago, people were re. Releasing. Spreading this clip all around because he's. He goes into the bathroom, and he comes out taking a sock out because apparently he was trying to cover his mic with sock or something so they couldn't hear him. And in the bathroom, he was like, it's okay. It's okay, baby. To Amanda, which I didn't hear him saying, it's okay, baby. To Amanda.
- [34:03]
Ronnie
So I didn't hear that.
- [34:04]
Amanda
Basically, he's my. He's possibly already hooking up with Amanda or at the very least leaning that way at this time. And so he's like, okay, I'll take Carl's thing and I'll use that against Kyle to further paint. Kyle is a monster during this whole thing. So, yeah, this whole episode was pissing me off, and I felt like such an asshole for even being pissed off because it's like a victim cloak type of thing. Like, you cannot.
- [34:29]
Ronnie
You.
- [34:29]
Amanda
You cannot criticize somebody when it's about their brother dying. And part of me feels that way, but the other part of me is like, no, that this is. This is manipulative. And now it's west coming in on it too, who's probably Amanda's W at the time.
- [34:44]
Ronnie
Well, the other thing is that, like, what we've said about this investor situation many times and now can be applied to this. Is that, like, Kyle. I don't think that Kyle is under any obligation to. To do these things, but if he did do them, that would be a lovely thing for him to do. But he is not. But he can also. I don't think it would be a demerit if he doesn't do them. And Kyle, Carl does treat it like a demerit. So, like, would it be nice if Kyle did the lovely thing? Yes, he should do the lovely thing. We should all try to do the lovely thing. But I don't think that it should be in this. In these cases. I think you. I don't know. I. I don't think that they should be held against him when he doesn't do it in these specific cases.
- [35:27]
Amanda
Yeah, but this is, of course, a typical Kyle answer. He's like, oh, God, I was stressing. I mean, I had a really important call and I had to do laundry and I had to pack and I
- [35:35]
Ronnie
had to do all this shit.
- [35:36]
Amanda
And he's like, but don't say that. Don't come in with excuses, bro. He's like, I'm not justifying it. I'm just saying that, you know, I was really busy. He's like, I know, but, like, if you're talking to him, like, don't bring up laundry, you know, like, funny. Just, you know, say you fucking forgot, you know, and you love him and you know, he'll get over it if you just address it.
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Ronnie
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- [39:18]
Ronnie
That could all disappear.
- [39:19]
Amanda
Like, what are you doing?
- [39:20]
Ronnie
Relax, girl. Carl, you're the runner of the group. You're gonna be the first one to run out of the house. So who. Why are you waiting for Kyle to take your hand? Okay, he's gonna save his. He almost saves DJ equipment. I mean, is he right? Yes. But anyone in this house is gonna be non self interested in that moment. I guarantee they're all gonna be just darting out and leaving everyone else behind.
- [39:44]
Amanda
This show of 10 years on this show, we have lists and lists of people have done to support Carl. We don't have the same thing from Carl. You know what I mean? We don't have that same thing for Kyle. So for Carl to become. I mean, he was in his wedding,
- [39:59]
Ronnie
you know, so Carl ordered, Pete ordered food for the house. There was that one season where Carl did was in charge of postmates. So that was exciting.
- [40:08]
Amanda
And that was a huge episode where Carl's like, oh my God, I'm ordering food for people. It was like, whoa, fireworks. Like the one time the husband takes the trash out without being asked and he wants a fucking medal, you know?
- [40:19]
Ronnie
Yeah, we all know by the way, that if this house catches on fire, the only one who will be left behind is Jules from season four. Because they already said that that's what they would do.
- [40:30]
Amanda
Amanda said that.
- [40:32]
Ronnie
Amanda said that.
- [40:33]
Amanda
Like, who would you leave in a burning house? And Amanda's like, Jules.
- [40:40]
Ronnie
And then Carl also lectured Jules later. So, you know, Carl was a total
- [40:46]
Amanda
asshole to Jules as well.
- [40:48]
Ronnie
So.
- [40:48]
Amanda
Yeah, I don't, I don't know. I just. This stuff's all bugging me, but apparently so Wes is like. So he gives him advice. So then Carl goes off on Kyle, and Kyle's like, well, thanks for giving me a heads up, West. So then Carl goes on and he's like, yeah, because there are times I try to have these conversations, but he doesn't listen. And like, like, I know how madam feels now. I'm like, what? Friends want to be with someone that doesn't listen to them and just kind of has a general sense of, I do whatever the I want. Literally every person you've talked to told you not to open soft bar.
- [41:20]
Ronnie
Carl, you were engaged to that person. So you're like, what sort of person wants to be around that? You were literally that person. You were doing that. Okay, you're on a reality TV show where everyone does this. Okay. By the way, there are a lot of. There's a trail of women in your wake, Carl, who have the same question about you. You know, like, I do whatever the I want. Like, let's. Let's not forget that as well.
- [41:44]
Amanda
Yeah, but he sweeps all of that into this. Like, but, you know, I was addicted. And it's like, okay, but it doesn't, like, erase. It doesn't erase your entire history. You know what I mean? That gives a reason, but not an excuse. And it just. It just makes me crazy that he's so holier than thou about everything. It's like, you're Carl. Do you. Do you not remember who Carl is? So August 15th. Why. Why do I say that? I don't care. It's because the show did okay.
- [42:14]
Ronnie
7 o'. Clock.
- [42:15]
Amanda
Nope. 6:59 guys. Ah. Ran out of bad luck. We ran out of it. So everybody's getting ready to go golf, and they're talking about each other's golfing outfit and Bailey's like, I mean, my boobs are out because, like, I love having my boobs out. But Carl notices my boobs are out. I'm not gonna be sad about it. Like, what's it called? A putter. Whoops. Is that flirting? Is that flirting?
- [42:36]
Ronnie
Girl? He's not gonna notice those boobs unless you add some stripes to them. Get those tan lines going. And then, you know, everyone's like, oh, my God, look cute. Look cute. They're talking about their shoes and. And Sierra has, like, you know, like, wedges on. They're like, how are you gonna golf on that? She's like, I can golf in anything. I'm a girl. So they all are hopping in their cars. They go this miniature golf place, and they're getting. They're grabbing their clubs. And Dara feels very empowered. She's like, I got a club. I'm. I'm empowered. And their Sierra's hitting balls doing surprisingly well. And they're all, like, impressed that she is able to get some significant drives with Jesse's like, that.
- [43:16]
Amanda
Jess west has never hit the ball that far in the entire, like, even half that far. So then we see west mini golfing and can't do it for basically terrible. So they just golf. It's a lot of fun and games and stuff. And then Bailey has her flirt moment with Carl where she's like, are my legs far enough apart? That's what she said. He's like, there you go. Yeah, lean down. Yeah, yeah, spread your legs. Yeah, look at the hole. Okay. You did it. You did it. Check. Wow, you're such a good golf teacher. Was that flirting?
- [43:52]
Ronnie
And then food arrives and everything, and they're all sort of like. They all like, flock to the food around the table. Like, they haven't eaten in five days. And while they're there, Carl, they're just. They're that, you know, they're just bantering. And then Carl's like, hey, Cookie. Cookie. Yeah? Look, can we go for a chat for a sec? Oh, okay. Yeah. Let's go over here. We're gonna have a little chat. Okay. Let's go back to the batting cages. Remember, Remember this? Remember, remember when I had a fight when I was acting hard against Duke? And we have a flashback to, like, many years ago where Luke and Carl had one of their fights, in which basically Luke's saying, like, that's not fair. You can't say that. Okay, you know what? You know what? You know what? I'll go after and then we'll talk, okay? And then Carl throws something down on the ground, trying to act like he's
- [44:39]
Amanda
actually hold me back. Hold me back. I'm gonna kill him. I'm gonna kill him. So then Kyle's like, well, yeah, okay, look, Wes did give me a little heads up about this, and I want to talk to you. So, like, I'm glad you pulled me over, but, like, first and foremost, like, I want to apologize. I feel like last several years, I've been with you on your brother's anniversary. And, like, I mean, there's no excuse for it, but I was just. I spaced and I'm sorry. You know, it's the story of my summer. You know, I feel like I've been letting you down all summer, so I thought that was.
- [45:09]
Ronnie
That was A good reminder that I was. Not only did I text you the last few years, I was with you the last few years, above and beyond kind of stuff. Because, y', all, I mean, it definitely, like, let me down. And I've just been, like, trying to figure out, like, how to talk to you because, like, oh, you know, I'm just, like, a little disappointed. And being by these batting cages is, like, really triggering because, like, Luke. So scary. And I was just like, I don't know. I was hoping to hear from my best friend. And, I mean, like, you were the guy that I ran to that day, and you were the person I told, and I just feel like our friendship is disconnected, and I just, like. I, like, don't even know what to say. Oh.
- [45:41]
Amanda
He's like, yeah, I'm sorry. Because. Yeah, because I'm disappointed and sad and, like, you know, I pulled up Instagram Monday morning, and I saw, like, the Lindsay thing. I was just like, damn. Saying, how does somebody on their birthday. It's crazy. He's like, well, I know Lindsay is, like, the type of person, though, like, if you don't make an effort, she'll remember that as much as if you do, you know? But, like, which I think is funny. He's like, lindsay's terrifying. Of course I remembered her birthday.
- [46:03]
Ronnie
You kidding?
- [46:03]
Amanda
What, do I have a death wish?
- [46:05]
Ronnie
Yes.
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Amanda
I said happy birthday to Lindsay. He's like, you know, if you feel like I let our friendship slip, you know, I also feel sometimes like, you're not inviting me to things. He's like, I mean, I can't even think of a time when you invited me to something, and I said, no. I mean, like, you're active and doing cool shit. You never invite me anywhere.
- [46:23]
Ronnie
So I feel like this was Kyle's opportunity to just say, sorry, bro, I hope you're not. But nobody. But rather than Kyle saying, like, I just think that Kyle should just be like, huh, Totally. Instead of being like, you don't invite me to things, because do you really want to do the things that Carl's doing? Do you really want to be doing those things?
- [46:44]
Amanda
No, but Carl's like, you know, where's my best friend? And I think Kyle's like, yeah, Kyle. Because I think it's subtly. Carl's trying to present this like, you're my best friend. And Kyle's like, like, we haven't been best friends in years. What the are you talking about? You don't even call me to hang out anymore. What are you doing? I think that's kind of the subtext here, it's like, when have you ever invited me out? Like, how are you calling me your best friend and guilting me? Like, your best friend didn't call you? Like, what are you talking about, Carl?
- [47:13]
Ronnie
It's like, I literally feel like I can't catch a break this summer. Like, I can't be the CEO I need to be for the lover boy. Can't be the husband that Amanda needs, can't be the friend that Carl needs, can't be the DJ that Monimony needs by Billy Idol. It's just I'm literally striking out.
- [47:28]
Amanda
I was like, well, I appreciate what you're saying, man. He's like, well, if I've done something to piss you off, you know, I just, just let me know like this, like, tell me like this. He goes, well, you know, I'm struggling to say, like, what I want to say. Well, look, if words come to you later, then you can. It doesn't matter how you look, just pull me aside and we can talk later if you need to talk later. He's like, okay, well, you know, sometimes I, like, temper how I feel because I don't want to hurt you or I don't want to, like, I don't know, come across like an all right,
- [47:54]
Ronnie
well, I want you to feel comfortable talking about things because you know me, I'm Kyle Cook. I hate. I take criticism really, really, really well. And I'm just like, I'm not gonna chew you up, man. I'll be totally chill and most likely I'll be sober when I hear it, so I'll have a very, like, level headed response. So it's all good, bro.
- [48:10]
Amanda
And then he tells us I need to have better conversations about. I mean, to get better about having conversations with Kyle because, like, I shut down and like, literally, I just, I'm just Carl. I'm just like terrified little Carl who can't have conversations.
- [48:23]
Ronnie
You just did it.
- [48:24]
Amanda
You just told him exactly what it is. And the producer's like, well, what did you want to say that you didn't? And he's like, I mean, I think I wanted to say fuck you.
- [48:34]
Ronnie
I mean, what else do you have in your life that is, like, anywhere close to someone like me that shows up for you and cares for you? Like, because if you do this to me, did him, like, texting me on Sunday make or break my day? No, but it's just, like, makes me nervous for Kyle. Like, I'm not your friend. Like, who do you got? I'm like, no, he's saying, if I'm
- [48:52]
Amanda
not your friend, like, who else do you have? Like, I'm all Kyle has, right?
- [48:56]
Ronnie
I'm like, I don't think that's true, actually, but that's fine. So then Amanda is just, like, hanging around the table. She's like, oh, my God, have you guys been sitting here for a while? And she hurt. Like, I are bulging. That's her big thing is like, bulging her eyes to be like, wow. And Ben is like, actually, I want to go for a chat, just me and you. She goes, for real? He's like, yeah, for real. She's like, okay. Eyes bulge. So they go to a different area to talk. And basically Ben's like, so last week at Lindsay's, you know, that was the first time I'd taken Sabrina out to meet everyone. And just at the end, I just got a bit, bit thrown off with the. Everybody thinks that he's in love with me. And it just kind of, like, threw her off. And I just thought, like, I didn't know why you kind of said that to the person who I love so much ever since this past Thursday. And it just, like, rocked her because she was wondering why. And I just don't know if you were joking.
- [49:54]
Amanda
It's like, well, if I said something that made her upset, like, it wasn't intended that way. I was just, like, literally singing your praises to her. He goes, well, she felt like a was a big dig at the end, you know, she said, why is that coming up? And I came out here to with you and Kyle, and we're all good friends, and I just thought it was a bit to kind of say it in that way. And she's like,
- [50:15]
Ronnie
yeah, like, dun, dun, dun. I'm already like, what?
- [50:22]
Amanda
What are you talking about? Wow. What an episode. So there you go, everybody. Summer Housen.
- [50:32]
Ronnie
We'll find out next week how that confrontation goes. Thanks, everyone for being here.
- [50:37]
Amanda
Yeah, thanks, everyone. We'll talk to you later. Bye.
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Ronnie
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Ronnie
It's the Foster and the Furious. It's Amanda Foster. Whip up a meringue. It's Amanda E. Lemon. It's always automatic with Ashley Otto. Put your hands together for Carly. Clap.
- [50:58]
Amanda
Get on the right foot with Chrissy Offutt. She's not just a Sheila. She's a Daniella Etchells. We never miss her. Call. It's Diane. Call. Sunday in the park with Dylan Clark. Big yay. It's Emily Gautier, Aaron McNicholas.
- [51:12]
Ronnie
She don't miss no Trickolus. You'll never hide from Heidi Eleanor Jones. I go, you go. We all go for Hugo. Jamie she has no less Namey sipped
- [51:22]
Amanda
some scotch with Jessica Trot.
- [51:24]
Ronnie
She's not a McBee. She's a McBride. Jess McBride. She's our favorite streamer. Caroline Peacock.
- [51:30]
Amanda
Kristen the Piston Anderson. Que sera sera Whatever will be will Lauren Sills be she gets a name from us. It's Lindsey D. Let's give a Kisserino to Lisa Lino. Fresh as a daisy. It's Maisie McHenry.
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Ronnie
Aren't you glad? It's Marianne Ahrens.
- [51:47]
Amanda
Megan Berg. You can't have a burger or without the Berg.
- [51:50]
Ronnie
This is Living with Michelle. Vivian.
- [51:52]
Amanda
I love Aya Olivia Williamson.
- [51:55]
Ronnie
She sure is swell. It's Raquel.
- [51:57]
Amanda
Yes, we canna. It's Savannah.
- [52:00]
Ronnie
Cast a spell with Shannon Spellman. Let's share with Sharon Eldridge.
- [52:04]
Amanda
Darn Skippy. It's Tippy. And our super Premium sponsors She's VVIP
- [52:10]
Ronnie
It's Amanda V. Can I have a Kavanaugh? It's Anna KAVANAUGH. Somebody gets as 10 cc's of Betsy
- [52:16]
Amanda
MD we're taking the gold with Brenda Silva.
- [52:19]
Ronnie
Let's get real with Caitlin o' Neal.
- [52:21]
Amanda
Put us on a stretcher. It's Charlotte Fletcher. Hogle your horses. It's Christine Hogle. Don't get salty with Christine Pepper can't have a meal without the Emily sides.
- [52:32]
Ronnie
Who, what, why, where? And Gwen Pentland. Nobody holds a candle to Jamie Kendall. We got our wish. It's Jen Plish. My favorite Favorite Murdo Karen McMurdo let's get savage With Laura Wildman in the study with a candlestick. It's Leslie Peacock. We're ride or die for Lisa Ryder Baron. She's a whiz It's Liz Sarthy Always killing it. It's Lola Al Kalani. Roger that. It's Marlis Rogers.
- [52:57]
Amanda
The incredible edible Matthew Sisters. She eases our woes. It's Melissa St. Rose she's the lady of the house. It's Rachel Charouse. There's a chance of meatballs. It's Rebecca Cloud. She's our princess. It's Rebecca Prince.
- [53:11]
Ronnie
Maximum love for Sandy Maximoska. She's the queen bee. It's Sarah Lemke.
- [53:16]
Amanda
We cannot tell a lie. It's Sarah.
- [53:18]
Ronnie
Tell of son Shannon out of a can and Anthony. Please don't stop. It's solely and pop let's take off with Tamla Plain.
- [53:26]
Amanda
Strike a pose It's Tori Rose. She ain't no shrinking violet.
- [53:30]
Ronnie
Cootard.
- [53:31]
Amanda
We love you guys. She's the lady of the house. It's Rachel Charouse.
- [54:14]
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