#3306 Southern Hospitality S4E06: Joe Blow(s It)

Summary

Watch What Crappens – Episode #3306

Southern Hospitality S4E06: "Joe Blow(s) It"

Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Date: April 9, 2026
Episode Focus: A dramatic friendcation episode recap from Southern Hospitality Season 4, centering around trust, microaggressions, emotional meltdowns, and the fallout from Joe’s career and relationship struggles.

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Episode Overview

Ben and Ronnie dive into a turbulent episode of Southern Hospitality that combines rural hoedown shenanigans with explosive friendship drama. On the menu: microaggression fallout between Emmy and Brad, Michaels' spectacular cold-shouldering, Lake’s anxiety spiral, a sob-heavy dinner, and Joe’s spiraling self-sabotage surrounding his career and relationship with Maddie. The hosts bring their signature blend of razor-sharp snark and affection as they mock, empathize, and psychoanalyze their way through the chaos.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Housekeeping & Neighborhood Stories

• [02:40] Ben and Ronnie start by joking about being left out: Ben shares an anecdote about his neighborhood chat, bemoaning, "Am I just...the ugly house on the street or what?"
• The hosts riff about feeling left out and segue into identity theft when a neighbor's mailbox cluster is robbed.
• Michelle jokes about getting rid of junk mail: "Thank you, Robert. You just saved me a trip to my shredder." [06:30]

2. Cabin Retreat – Costume Party & Generational Banter

• [07:58] The group dons costumes—especially Joe, who’s all-in with "emo-walls": "They're like overalls, but they're, like, sad because they're turning 30 and love hasn't given them a restaurant yet." [07:59, Ronnie as Joe]
• Ben and Ronnie spiral into a Whitney Houston song parody moment, poking fun at 90s references.
• [10:00] Quick kudos for finally distinguishing Bella ("B stands for brown") and Ella.

3. Friendship Fallout & Anxiety

• [10:30–11:45] Lake is anxious because Michaels is icing her out for revealing confidences to Ella.
• Lake, self-aware: "Okay, so I have a big ass mouth. I'm aware of it, you know, but, like, I need to talk to people. That's who I am as a person." [11:36, Lake as recapped by Ronnie]
• Bella's advice: "You need to have a conversation with Michaels. Because this will snowball into something bigger." [11:45]

4. Dinner Preparation & "Emo-walls" Gag

• [12:25] Joe gets stressed about no one else wearing overalls, fearing he's the butt of a joke.
• Forks, knives, and etiquette—leads to a tangent about southern manners, with Ben saying: "Manners are so gay. He knows that the fork and the knife goes on different sides. That is like, your son's going to be sucking dick, Ma'." [13:54]

5. Emmy & Brad's Explosive Talk

• [18:24–21:38] Emmy approaches Brad for reconciliation.
• Emmy attempts to clarify her intent: "The only reason why I wanted to change rooms was not because I felt unsafe..." [19:30]
• Brad calls out Emmy for flipping her story and insincerity: "'You said, I'm, you know, I'm sorry in folly. And then less than 24 hours later, you were like, oh, I mean, I'm really only apologizing so Brad doesn't ruin my life. So that doesn't really feel very authentic.'" [20:31, Ronnie as Brad]
• Emmy collapses into tears, with the hosts mocking her performativity: "Here she goes with her tears. Her big fake tears coming out." [21:38, Michelle]

6. Michaels’ Bullying & Lake's Isolation

• [22:34–24:33] Michaels is aggressive with Lake for her breach of trust; Lake's repeated attempts at reconciliation are rebuffed. Hosts harshly critique Michaels:
  • "At this point, he's just being a bully…this cruelty is so mean." [33:55, Michelle]
  • "An aggressive man is still an aggressive man. We see residue on Shaws, which infuriates me. And I don't like that Michaels is acting like that at all." [24:33, Ronnie]
• Discussion about how the show excuses aggressive behavior in gay men, but the hosts shut that down firmly.

7. The Dinner Meltdown

• [30:00] Lake is grilled at dinner for her behavior; conversation quickly devolves into a shouting match over who's lying and who betrayed whom.
• Lake flees the table in tears.
• [32:09] Ronnie: "When someone leaves the table crying, let them go. Or follow them to console them. Don't follow them to keep screaming at them. Like, who does that?"

8. Aftermath & Attempts at Reconciliation

• [41:43–44:30] Lake returns, sobbing, and apologizes; Michaels finally relents and accepts.
• Ben and Ronnie note the toxic dynamic:
  • "He was like, non confident. He's very avoidant with her, but then also making her suffer and humiliating her. And I just was like, this is shitty." [43:35, Ronnie]
• Emmy stews in the corner, feeling ignored in contrast to the group's support for Lake.

9. Joe & Maddie's Relationship Tension

• [53:53] Maddie approaches Joe about his drinking and lack of ambition; Joe repeatedly deflects or lies about his work status.
• Maddie, exasperated: "Classic Matt. Now you know you've gotten her mad if she's spelling out lol LO fucking L, Joe." [62:49, Michelle]
• Maddie voices concern: "I've been more worried about my boyfriend actually getting wasted than cheating on me. It's extremely triggering to my sobriety." [63:41]

10. Career & Ambition Struggles

• [54:21] Joe laments his plateaued career and fear of proposing while still working at the door of a club. Ronnie and Michelle roast him for blaming others for missed opportunities, with Maddie pointing out his pattern of self-sabotage.

11. Humor, Hook-Ups & Light Moments

• The hosts riff on the group’s drunken antics, eating utensils as massage devices, and reality show meta-humor.
• [48:59] Raucous jokes about Bravo’s crossover DNA, e.g., "Nothing gets it up. Like seeing the women of Salt Lake City fight in, like, 1776 garb."
• Joe tries to hustle business on the street for his “Emo” birthday party: "Have I not proved to you that, like, after, like, year after year, I got the job done? Let me cook like Aos." [58:27]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Ben (on being left out by the would-be scammer):
  "Why am I the only person that nobody wants to rob? Am I just...the ugly house on the street or what?" [05:08]

• Ronnie (on overalls):
  "These are my emo. Emo-walls. They're like overalls, but they're, like, sad because they're turning 30 and love hasn't given them a restaurant yet." [07:59]

• Michelle (on Lake's big mouth):
  "Okay, so I have a big ass mouth. I'm aware of it, you know, but, like, I need to talk to people. That's who I am as a person." [11:36]

• Ronnie (on gay etiquette):
  "Manners are so gay. He knows that the fork and the knife goes on different sides. That is like, your son's going to be sucking dick, Ma'." [13:54]

• Michelle (on Michaels yelling at Lake):
  "This cruelty is so mean. This was, like, above and beyond. I just lost so much respect for him for this." [33:55]

• Ben (on late-to-the-party Joe hustling tables):
  "Have I not proved to you that, like, after, like, year after year, I got the job done? Let me cook like Aos." [58:27]

• Michelle (on Maddie spelling out her frustration):
  "Classic Matt. Now you know you've gotten her mad if she's spelling out lol LO fucking L, Joe." [62:49]

• Ben (on Maddie's sobriety):
  "I've been more worried about my boyfriend actually getting wasted than cheating on me. It's extremely triggering to my sobriety." [63:41]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Neighborhood stories & mailbox robbery: [02:40–06:35]
• Cabin costume set-up: [07:03–09:12]
• Lake & Michaels friendship fallout: [10:30–11:45]
• Dinner prep/cotillion tangent: [12:25–14:11]
• Emmy/Brad terrace confrontation: [18:24–21:38]
• Dinner meltdown & Michaels berating Lake: [30:00–33:55]
• Joe & Maddie relationship fight: [53:53–65:04]
• Joe hustling for VIP tables: [57:28–58:43]

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Tone & Language

The hosts’ tone is bitingly sarcastic but suffused with affection for Bravo’s reality messes. Their language switches fluidly between quotes, impressions, recaps, and outlandish analogies. They are unafraid to call out bullying and hypocrisy, while never missing an opportunity for a cheap (or deeply referential) laugh.

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Final Thoughts

The episode was a tour de force of reality TV group meltdown: emotional brinkmanship, clumsy apologies, and broken trust, all set against a backdrop of immature self-sabotage and artful Southern etiquette. Ben and Ronnie dissected every thread, laying bare both the hilarious and the uncomfortable, with just the right blend of “mock because we love.”

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Transcript

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[Michelle Buteau]

Who cares what happens when there's so much.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

That happens? Well hello everybody and welcome to Watch what Happens. I'm Ronnie, that's Ben Uni over there. Hello Ben.

[Michelle Buteau]

Hi Ronnie. How's it going?

[Brandon Scott Jones]

Good. Everybody welcome to the show. It's Southern Hospitality Day. If you want this on video or you want bonus episodes, this a in the City trailer trash or you want ad free listening or a free weekly recap blog making fun of all these shows or a Discord server. There's so much at the Patreon. Go over to Patreon. Be sure once you sign up that you add the ad free feed to your streaming app, whatever streaming app you like to use for your podcasts so it's easier for you to get all of those and check out our videos and all that stuff. And thank you to everybody who's a member over there today. Let's get on with Southern Hospitality. How are you feeling? Anything going on in your life you want to address here?

[Michelle Buteau]

Ban there's nothing in my life that I want to address, but I'M feeling great. This show is so good, so wonderful Southern hospitality, great TV that still somehow feels like it's sort of being overshadowed or overlooked. But they are. They are. This is what their fourth season, season four, and they're killing it. They're really like, no, no slumps, just doing a great job. What about you?

[Brandon Scott Jones]

Yes. I have stuff to address in my life.

[Michelle Buteau]

What's that?

[Brandon Scott Jones]

So last night, this guy, I'm on The neighborhood, like, WhatsApp thing where people text and these people text all day long about, like, oh, my God, I saw someone walking up the street. Who was it? I don't know. I got a video and it'll be like an older lady behind a tree taking a video. You can see all the bushes, the bush, leaves or whatever. And like, someone walking on the street, grainy and like, oh, I don't know. It looks dangerous to me. You know, it's one of those. So I'm on there and last night I get one. Maybe I'm being overly cautious, but some kid just walked up to my door with a flashlight saying, he's informing me about new fiber optics. Not sure if he's scoping out the area for future theft. Seemed off. Someone else said, never too cautious. I saw the same kid I. And he had an AT&T vest. But, you know, I personally filled him under. Sorry. And what looked from a distance to be a laminate badge. I personally filled him under code yellowish green. But no, if he knocked on my door, I would have kept it closed and told him to go away. Well, I told him he's under surveillance. And then he ran away. And then someone else said he came by. Seemed legit to me. And then another guy said, ran away. Thanks. I just upped my code to solid yellow. If legit, AT&T is stupid for marketing like this. And another guy said, seems like off. That a company would send someone here at 8pm I'm suspicious. And then Susan said, he just came to our house. And I saw him on the ring talking to himself. The dog scared him off because they barked. And then someone said he came to our house too. We didn't answer the door. He did have an AT&T vest. But then I thought, he could have gotten that from anywhere. I mean, yes, you can never be too cautious. You, you know, they're going on and on. Can I tell you, I'm the only person that this person did not ring the bell. I felt like I'm such a loser. Like, why am I the only person that nobody wants to rob? Am I just. The ugly house on the street or what?

[Michelle Buteau]

That's so sad.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

Yeah.

[Michelle Buteau]

You feel left out.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

I did, actually. I was like, everybody but me. Literally every single neighbor met this person except me. Thanks a lot.

[Michelle Buteau]

We had a. We actually were the victims of a robbery like, two days ago, basically.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

What a.

[Michelle Buteau]

We have someone. Someone broke into, like, our complexes. Mailboxes. Like, all our mailboxes are these free standing structure that have. And so they. They sort of opened. There's like, a door that the mailman uses that opens all the doors all at once, and then. Then he slots in the stuff. And so anyway, someone broke in and stole all the mail in the mailboxes. And I've been kind of bad because I hadn't picked up the mail in, like, four or five days. And at first I was like, this is a violation. I mean, it is. It's a federal crime. Like, I cannot believe someone, like, broke into, like, the big mailbox. Like, they, like, somehow. I don't know how they opened it up. They picked the lock, whatever it was. They. It was all open, all the mail gone. I was like, this is a violation. I can't believe they took our mail. But, like, I. I have. I signed up for a service that the USPS does, which is that every morning they send you an email where they've scanned in the mail that's coming to you, so you can always see what mail is arriving. And so I was like, oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. And so I, like, looked through those emails for the past week, and then I was kind of like, you know what? Thank you, Robert. Thank you for dealing with the junk mail, because that's all I received. I was like, you just saved me a trip to my shredder.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

The burglar is like, I've got so many Val packs. Yes. I'm getting so many. $2 off my next car wash.

[Michelle Buteau]

Please enjoy that Capital One offer. You deserve it, sir.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

All right, so Southern Hospitality Season 4 Episode 6 Ruckus on the river so we're still at this glamorous cabin by the river, and no one got eaten by anything. So I was good, I guess.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yep. That's very exciting. And Justin's talking to Brad about, like, they're gonna shift it up tonight, you know, and he just.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

He keeps saying type. What is that?

[Michelle Buteau]

Type of.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

I guess it's like, we're gonna.

[Michelle Buteau]

It's like that. That type of shit gonna chef it up. It'd be like, that's the hot. Unless he's saying, get a Typewriter and type the word. It'll be hilarious.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

No, but he keeps saying it throughout the episodes like a running joke, I guess that he has that I just never really got. Yeah, I mean, I've heard, but they're young.

[Michelle Buteau]

They're young. They're of a different generation. Justin. It's like TJ is saying, oh, my God, someone drank all the tequila. That might have been me. 60 of the seasoning comes off in the cooking process. Are you talking about cooking with tequila?

[Brandon Scott Jones]

And so everybody's gonna shower and stuff. And tonight's the night where they're gonna wear costumes. They're gonna wear overalls.

[Michelle Buteau]

The guys.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

So Joe comes out and he's like, is it too early to get in the costume? I'm really into it. These are my emo. Emo walls. They're like overalls, but they're, like, sad because they're turning 30 and love hasn't given them a restaurant yet.

[Michelle Buteau]

So, yeah, he is wearing overalls with one strap. Very early 90s. Very. It's like Whitney Houston in the My Name Is Not Susan video. And. But oddly enough, even though he has

[Brandon Scott Jones]

a song called Mine Aren't either or I'm Not Mine. Mine isn't either.

[Michelle Buteau]

Sorry. The call and response song. People agreeing.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

My name's not Susan. Mine isn't either.

[Michelle Buteau]

Susan's like, it's me.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

The greatest. Nuh. Just have, like, the dumbest album ever. I want to dance with somebody. I prefer the couch.

[Michelle Buteau]

Just all Whitney Houston response.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

Yeah, it's just all titles that argue with Whitney Houston.

[Michelle Buteau]

Why not two? It's a response to One Moment in Time.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

The preacher's wife is divorced.

[Michelle Buteau]

I don't feel that way about children. Think about it. Think about it.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

Children are in the past, so. So they're talking about having to.

[Michelle Buteau]

I'm. You're not me. You're not me as a woman. Sorry,

[Brandon Scott Jones]

I'm no woman.

[Michelle Buteau]

Okay. So there's.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

Yeah, they're gonna have a hoedown. A hoedown. Throw down. So we go outside and we see Lake and Bella. I did not recognize Bella today, but they showed Bella enough that now I recognize Bella kind of. Now I'm like, oh, that's Bella. Yes. Look, it's Bella, everybody. Because they just keep showing us Bella. She doesn't do much, but she's there. And this time I remembered, like, in the third scene, I saw her. I was like, oh, it's Bella. Yeah.

[Michelle Buteau]

I was really happy because last week when we were recapping the show, I couldn't remember if there was a Bella and an Ella. Or if we were, there were just like, typos in our notes. And this week I was like, oh, there really is a Bella and an Ella. So they are two distinct. Ella is blonde, Bella is brown. So the B stands for brown.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

Yeah. Okay. And they. That's just a popular name.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

Oh, there's a lot of fixation.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah, it's true. Ever since Twilight, Bella became a really popular name. So they're outside, and Lake is like, I'm really anxious about Michaels. And Bella's like, what's happening? It's like, it's just like him choosing to keep his distance from me. Like, I'm sorry I told Ella everything with Brad, you know, but, like, Ella is one of those people that I can call a best friend. And did she go and tell Emmy what happened? Yes. Am I mad at her? No, but, like, whatever. I mean, for my mom to tell me. You shouldn't have told Ella. Yeah, she's right. But, like, maybe I should have just, like, kept it to myself. But I didn't think it would, like, tumble down into Michael's just being A.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

And Bella's like, yeah, I mean, you know, Michaels is like your brother, and that's why you're upset about it. You know, you just need to talk. But I've tried talking to him, and he just walks right past me. And then she tells us she's had crippling anxiety for her whole life and she's had to take medication. And, you know, normally she talks to friends. And Michaels is that friend, but he's the person that's giving her anxiety now. And she's like, okay, so I have a big ass mouth. I'm aware of it, you know, but like, I need to talk to people. That's who I am as a person.

[Michelle Buteau]

Bella's like, you need to have a conversation with Michaels. Because this was snowball into something bigger. So in the house, Joe was like, you guys, I can't be the only one in my overalls. My emo versus. Okay, I can't do this. Like, well, this like a practical joke. Am I like the butt of a joke? And, like, there's actually like, no. They. I'm like, oh, my God. Like, this is actually like, really not cool.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

Well, there's not a bump in theme, and you've always got one of those in your hair, so since when do you care?

[Michelle Buteau]

Get on with it. I'm just fascinated that, like, with his one strap off like that, the. The. The part of the front that's supposed to be connected to the. To the strap that isn't. That has not flopped over. I was like, wow, that has some real good structural integrity going on.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

Yeah, it's really starched. So everybody's getting ready, and Joe's like, oh, my God, Joe. Oh, my God, Justin. Holy jungler. Holy hunk alert. And he's like, yeah, you like it. So now TJ and Brad are setting the table together type shit. Yeah. So they're outside setting the table, and no, TJ and Brad is in the notes, but it's CJ and Michaels. So Michaels is like, is this enough for everybody? He's like, yeah, there's. There's 12 people. Wait, do forks and knives go on the same side? No. Are you sure?

[Michelle Buteau]

No. Are you like. Did you take cotillion? Really? No. Could you guys. Why is this conversation parsed out off of so many monosyllabic responses? It's like, yeah, I did bottom dancing in that first year because, like, when I moved to New York, my twin sister Michelle and I were, like, only 6 years old, and we ended up getting in trouble at school because they, like, would call my mom and said that we didn't know how to properly speak. Because, like, in the south, you're supposed to respond to teachers by going, yes, ma'. Am. No, ma'. Am. And my sister and I, coming from the Bronx, were just, like, sitting there being like, what? Like, what? Like, what do you want? Like, you're calling for me? Like, what? I'm like, that's exactly what you're saying to Lake right now. Just so you know. So she. He's like, well, so when you grow up in the Bronx, you're like, you don't know. So my mom, like, did not fuck around with us. She was like, after school, you're going to cotillion, and you're not from the Bronx anymore. Okay? So I'm a hoe, and I like to have good, a good time, and I dress slutty, but I've got manners.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

Wait, so Michael's mom sent him to ballroom and cotillion classes, but she didn't think that he was gonna be gay. Duh. Manners are so gay. He knows that the fork and the knife goes on the. On different sides. That is like, your son's going to be sucking dick, Ma'.

[Michelle Buteau]

Am.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

I'm sorry. He said, excuse me after he burped. Oh, my God. Stick something up his butthole. He's gay. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a crappin commercial.

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[Michelle Buteau]

Elsewhere in Maddie's room, Emmy has an announcement. I think I'm going to go and approach Brad and just be like, I just want to, like, you know, like whenever you're ready. Like, I would love to have like a conversation with you, assuming it's in a safe space, right? Oh no, I shouldn't say that.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

And so he's like, yeah, you know, like if he does have the conversation, like I would say like what you want to say, but like, be like, hey, I'm sorry I use this word like miss properly. But, you know, like I just used miss properly, but like, this is how I felt. Like, yeah, this is what I felt and this is what I meant. Like that's what I need to say. Like, I need to say, like, what I felt was terrified, but what I meant was, I need to call the police.

[Michelle Buteau]

Like, the producer's like, so what do you want to explain to Brad? I don't want to fight with him anymore. I just. I'm just. But I'm not going to take accountability for something I didn't do. And meanwhile, Emmy is dressed like a figure skater for some reason. So I'm like, why are you dressed like Tanya Harding for this important scene about microaggressions? So back in the kitchen, everyone. Justin's cooking, and he's like, I feel like Bourdain. I'm like, okay. You know, I just settled down over there. Okay. As you make your dry beef. And Brad is. He's. Brad's like, you know, preparing a sweet potato, and he's talking.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

Brad is seriously poking some holes in that sweet potato. I mean, he's stabbing it to death. He's like, You don't need to do that. What are you doing? Leave the sweet potato alone. Who did the sweet potato hurt?

[Michelle Buteau]

I mean, he's like, that sweet potato is me. So Emmy leaves. Leaves to go talk to what's his face. And Maddie is complimenting Michaels on how he looks, and she's like, you need to be on, like, love island right now, Michaels. You really do. He's like, oh, my God. Like, so funny. But then Lake walks by, and he's, like, not laughing anymore. I don't, like.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

So Emmy comes up to Brad, and she's like, obviously, like, I want to, like, respect you, you know? And, like, whenever you want to talk, I just wanted to let you know that I'm open to having a conversation with you whenever you feel comfortable to have a conversation. He's like, okay, let's go have a conversation. So they go sit outside, and he's like, I would rather listen to nails on a chalkboard then talk to Emmy. So she's like, do you want to go on the rocking chairs over there? So let's do that. Okay, okay. Okay. Like, I just. I want to start the conversation off by saying that, like, I know this has to happen, and my. Like, my. My mind, you know? Like, I never meant to offend you. Okay. And I wish we were having a conversation. Like, I could have changed the word that you brought up, you know, which was unsafe. And, like, it wasn't, like, my safety or the fact that I felt unsafe. It was, like, the fact that I was, like, terrified, like.

[Michelle Buteau]

And he goes, you were gonna Kill me, you said.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

But that's. But, like, I just want to, like, clarify it. Like, my safety was, like, never, ever, ever my concern.

[Michelle Buteau]

So the only reason why I wanted to change rooms was not because I felt unsafe. I just was too close to the elevator and people who were dangerous, like, you might come out of the elevator. That's it. But my safety was not a concern. Not. Not a concern. He's like, well, it just feels like you're talking out of both sides of your mouth. Well, I mean, how else do you talk? I mean, the words come out of one hole, so I don't understand. I mean. Okay, I guess what I'm trying to say is I think I've been, like, a little passive in my apology. It's like. It's not passive. The problem is you're saying one thing, and then later on, you're changing your mind. It feels like you're saying one thing to me. Day later, you're telling someone else something, and I just don't believe a word that's coming out of your mouth at this point. And that's the most frustrating part because we've been friends for so long, and I love you, and, you know, like, what you said behind me, my back, like, you know, was everything you could have said to my face because, well, what did I say behind your back? He's like, you said, I'm, you know, I'm sorry in folly. And then less than 24 hours later, you were like, oh, I mean, I'm really only apologizing so Brad doesn't ruin my life. So that doesn't really feel very authentic.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

It's like, well, okay. Well, I mean, let me. Let me be clear about the context about that. He's like, it's not context. It's black and white. Like, you should have just said, I'm sorry. But no, no, no, because there's context. There's context to that. He's no. Like, I'm tired of context and excuses. Just say you're sorry so we can move forward. Like, what the hell? And she's like, but, like, I'm. I'm trying to, like, explain to you that, like. Like, I meant my apology and folly. Okay? Like, would you. What? I would rather make up and, like, have a good summer with you guys than, like, have us attack each other. That's all I meant. And he's like, no, there's no attacking. He's like. He's like, I'm not. Yeah. He's like, I'm not attacking. I'm not. Plotting against you. I'm fucking hurt, okay? And I just don't feel like you're being genuine. It's bullshit all the time, okay? And I'm done. Like, I'm done. I'm done talking about this. I'm just like. I was like, are you just pulling a straw up and down in a really tight milkshake cup? Like, what are you doing? It's like, here she goes with her tears. Her big fake tears coming out.

[Michelle Buteau]

So Julia asked Brad if. If everything's okay, and he's like, yeah, I just told her to off, you know, once I found out she didn't really mean her apology. There's just no fixing it. It's torched. She goes, you're. You're not letting me speak and not letting me get my point out. And it's just. It's so silencing. Okay, Emmy, all right? You're the victim here. You've been silenced. Got it?

[Brandon Scott Jones]

Yeah. We'll cut the. Emmy. So now back out on the court with the court. They're asking Michaels, or Michaels is asking Emmy why she's crying. He's like, why are you crying? And she's like. Tried to pull Brad aside for a conversation. And, like, I'm like. I'm like, breathe. I'm like. I'm, like, trying, like. But he's like. He's, like, so upset. He's, like, so upset.

[Michelle Buteau]

I love when. I love when Michael yells, breathe. He did that last year to where he's like, calm down. That's not gonna help someone. Calm down, Michael.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

I know, but she really does. She gets this look on her face like. Like, I love the look she gets on her face when she's fake crying. And she just, like, freezes her eyes and, like, starts looking back and forth like someone's gonna get her. She's like, oh, my God. Oh, my God.

[Michelle Buteau]

And she's like, he's so angry with me. Like, yeah, because you said you felt unsafe to the producers and you could have gotten him fired and, like, fucked up his. His whole life.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

So then came back and said you didn't mean it. You just didn't want him to ruin your life. So, I mean, come on. So Brad's like, you know, I'm tired of excuses, and I don't believe a word that's coming out of her mouth. And so back to her, she's like, I mean, but I. Like, I didn't get to say my piece. I didn't get to say it. And so Michael's is like. So it didn't go well. Maddie's like, yeah, it didn't go well, right? She was. Yeah. Like. Like, I can give you. I haven't been able to give you, like, a true apology. So, like. And then he just wouldn't acknowledge, like, what I was saying. And I'm, like, trying to have a conversation with you, like, what I want. And, like. Like. And, like. Like, sees. So she starts to come over, and Michael's just goes, go over there. We don't need an audience. This guy is such a.

[Michelle Buteau]

He is. I'm sorry. He's off.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

He is being such an.

[Michelle Buteau]

Lake is, like, best friends with. With Emmy, and I think Lake is totally. It's totally legit that Lake is gonna go over there and. And talk to Emmy. Not only that. Lake even. Lake even told. Well, she told Brad. She's like, I'm gonna make it my mission to teach Emmy about this stuff, because Emmy really just does not know, and she's coming over there and just. I just don't think it's Brad's place to shoe Lake away. And I hate that. Lake actually did sort of, like, amble away a little because it's also, like. It's not about you right now, Michaels. It's about, like, it's. Well, I hate to be, like, it's about Emmy, because it really shouldn't even be about her. But I'm saying from a friend point of view, if they are both equally friends with Emmy, like, you, you shouldn't be. Like, I'm the friend who gets to deal with her. Like, no. Like, he's so. He's. He's such a dick. Like, I. I've really soured on him

[Brandon Scott Jones]

this season, you know, being upset with Lake or whatever. Okay, fine. But the way he's going about it, like, he's just. He's being a bully at this point, and it's just gross. And I'm really sick of watching, you know, men scream. The gay guys, too, I think. Especially the gay guys, like, have some kind of pass on these shows to, like, call them and, like, walk. Walk behind them screaming and shit when they're walking away for. I don't like that. I do not like it. Like, an aggressive man is still an aggressive man. We see residue on Shaws, which infuriates me. And I don't like that Michaels is acting like that at all. And he can cry all the crocodile tears in the world. It's not cool. You shouldn't be treating people like that.

[Michelle Buteau]

He's just being nasty. He really is so Lake walks away. And then inside, Brad is basically like, look, we can coexist. It's fine. But we're just not friends, right? So Mia is like, well, was there any way that it could have went where you could have had a friendship with her? And he's like, no, I just don't need friends like that. I'm not starving for friends. And he says, I don't even know what's real and what's fake. And if you're willing to sit there and give me these white women tears to get out of a situation, then that's it for me. So, like, okay, well, let's go. Dinner for dinner. Yeah.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

So they go. They go out to dinner, and Emmy's still not there or back outside, still talking to other people. Emmy's like, oh, my God. He walked away. And he was like, I don't want to hear, and I don't believe anything you say. And I'm like, but I haven't even got to say anything yet. And Maddie's like, yeah, I do deserve. Think she deserves to say her feelings, though. Yeah, but I haven't even told you, like, how you've hurt me, and, like, how can I move on when I haven't got any apology? Michaels is like, yeah, but here's the thing. Like, Justin told you that you said the only reason why you apologize to him and TJ is so they wouldn't ruin your life. You know, like, as your friend, stop saying like that. You know, like, you need to stop putting your foot in your mouth. And she's like.

[Michelle Buteau]

And Justin's like, dinner served its feet in the mouth for Emmy. TJ's like, well, I guess I'll go set the table because I'm gay. That's what we gays do. We set tables. I'm really obsessed on this point. So they all. They all sit down and everything. And Joe's like, hey, everyone. Sorry for the way. It's just, like, a little bit rude that they're, like, not down here. I mean, I've been in, like, my overalls for, like, three hours now, and I just kind of felt like they should be here to eat the steaks by now. But, like, that's okay. Joe should be quiet over there complaining about people being late to the stupid dinner that probably just, like, overcooked beef.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

So Emmy doesn't come to the table. She goes to her room for some space. So Molly's like, let's say grace. Thank you, God, for charcuterie, because I'm really fucking good at it. And they're like, well, should we wait till Mia comes back out? Because she's not out there later. So Mia. Mia's like, no, you don't have to worry. I feel the power from here. Go ahead, guys.

[Michelle Buteau]

Go ahead. Can we, like, not call it Grace? Wait, why? Think about it. Oh, okay, I get it now. Yeah. Let's say a prayer. Wave a baby. Wave a bit. We heard, like, we hear Grace's song in the background.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

Wavy baby. Wavy baby.

[Michelle Buteau]

Mia goes inside and she's trying to console Emmy because Emmy's, like, sitting in the corner of some room and she's like, listen to me. Listen. Take two big, deep breaths. No, that's very, very rapid, shallow breathing. Deep breaths, deep breaths. Okay. No, no, no. Okay, deep, slow, slow, slow, slow, slow, deep breath.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

In, out.

[Michelle Buteau]

In, out. In, out.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

In. I can't breathe. I can't breathe. I can't breathe. I can't breathe. I can't breathe. Out.

[Michelle Buteau]

We don't want to have dinner without you, okay? We're a young show on Bravo still, and we need to have big fights at the table. So if you're out here, it's not going to help the show. Brad feels a certain way, and that's valid, okay? And you're not him, and he's not you, and you can't control the way he feels about what you said. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, Cheap and red vice come to the table.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

But it was such a good day. It was such a good day. I didn't forget to say what I was gonna say. So Mia's like, oh, my God, this girl's not helping herself. And she goes, listen, Emmy, if you were him, you probably wouldn't like you either, okay? And she goes, well, yeah, I guess that's a good point.

[Michelle Buteau]

I was just trying to take accountability for it. I know, I know. I was trying. By not taking accountability. It's like. I know, I know. When he said that. He did say that. He didn't say that, actually. I'll just tell you he did. And that's. That's the most I could do, you know? And, like, I've realized that I can't apologize and then, like, not mean it because, like, I didn't get the apology back that I wanted for. For him making me feel unsafe, which I wasn't. I was not on safe, but I'm saying he made me feel that way, but I wasn't on safe. God.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

It's not about you getting an apology. What are you not getting? You are so thick headed. My God, So back outside, Maddie's asking how long the conversation even lasted. She's like, was it three minutes? And he goes, yeah, like 2:45. And Bella's like, yeah, he said 2:37. So then back to me and Emmy. She's like, this. We're together, and that's what this is about. But, yeah, we're about to have a wholesome dinner, right? Okay. Okay. I can come. I can come. I can come. So they walk up to the table, and Emmy's like, I'm gonna scooch on in. I think it's about time I invest in waterproof mascara. Am I right, guys? My mascara was running down my face like, Brad was chasing it.

[Michelle Buteau]

So now they're all sitting there. It's, like, awkward. So Molly is like, hey, Lake, what's going on? What's going on with you, girl? She's like, I'm eating. And Lake's like, yeah, I just. I ate, and I'm. I'm drinking a Coke right now. Mia's like, well, you've had a bad attitude at that, River. I mean, you have, like, teenage girl angst. Emo attitude. Hey, that's my party. Thanks for promoting it.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

You have to pay $50 before you can use my trademark. So me is like, you're. You're like, I'm going to my room. And Maddie says, yeah, okay. Well, I feel like Lake wasn't feeling okay because she overheard y' all talking about her. Yeah, I think that's what was going on. And Michael's is like, yeah, it's like.

[Michelle Buteau]

It's, like, not a secret that I've, like, 1,000% been, like, very frustrated with you recently. And, like, you broke my trust. And, like, it's not o came for you to sit there and continuously talk about something that does not involve you, that I related to you, that doesn't involve me when I literally sat there and said, don't talk about the thing that someone told me in confidentiality.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

And she's like, no, but, like, you know what? Like. Like, it got involved with me when Brad felt like I wasn't defending him in that situation. So I got involved.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yes, but, like, when I told you not to talk to anybody about it, like, how am I supposed to trust you and be your friend?

[Brandon Scott Jones]

But it was already out there.

[Michelle Buteau]

It was not already out there.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

Yes, it was.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah. No, it was not. Like, you went to her after you came to my apartment. Like, why are you fudgeing lying?

[Brandon Scott Jones]

What do you mean?

[Michelle Buteau]

Like, what do you mean you're fucking lying? Stop Lying.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

So now she leaves the table crying. And Maddie's like, chill, jeez. And Joseph's like, y' all are, like, speaking more scared to me. Like, I have no idea what's going on. And I understand Morse. Good.

[Michelle Buteau]

You can't spell Morse code without sort of spelling emo. If you take out the. The. Like, if you take the E from the back of it and put to the front of it. If you think about it, you know,

[Brandon Scott Jones]

like, wow, that went from 0 to 100 really quickly. And Mia says, that's just Michaels. I mean, what the. And so now, look, when someone leaves the table crying, let them go. Or follow them to console them. Don't follow them. To keep screaming at them. Like, who does that?

[Michelle Buteau]

So he gets up. He follows her, and he's like. He goes over. He's like, you don't get to play the victim when it's not you. I'm like, actually, you. You brought her something. You're the one who's actually interfering here. You said you brought to her that Brad was not feeling supported by her, which is fine. Honestly. It's fine that he told her. And this was. This became an issue for her. And so she is the victim because she's been trying to, like, have fun with you and be nice with you and talk with you, and you've been icing her out the entire day and being, like, blatantly rude and mean to her. Not just cold, but actively mean to her. So she literally is the victim in this situation. Yeah.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

And he's like, whatever. Like, he follows her. He follows her in, and she's in the bathroom, like, crying, like, trying to get away from the camera. And he's just, like, yelling at her, you know, and he's like, why are you crying? You don't get to cry. Like, it's not even about you. You talked about it with Ella. You broke my trust. I cannot be friends with you if you're going to continually break my trust. And sick. Oh, my God. Don't be friends with, like, fine.

[Michelle Buteau]

So I'm sorry.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

I'm sorry. Just leave me alone. He goes, okay, well, don't speak to me. I don't care. And stop crying about it. I don't even care.

[Michelle Buteau]

You're the one who went over to her to speak to her, and she's crying in the corner. I mean, this was so. It was so mean. This. This girl has been miserable all day long when this is. Should have been squashed with a simple conversation of like, hey, when you told Ella this, that was so uncool, because, like, I told you that in confidence, and I really don't appreciate it. Like, that's the level it should have been at. Michaels is allowed to be annoyed 100%. But, like, this cruelty is so mean. This is like. This was, like. I don't know. I thought that this was, like, above and beyond. I just lost. I lost so much respect for him for this.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

Yeah. So, like, crying to the cameras. She's like, please leave me alone. Like, she's, like, literally in a shower trying to get away, and they won't stop. So Michaels goes back, and he's telling us Lake is, like, family, and he doesn't have a great relationship with his family. Won't. And he's like, so my friendships are very important to me. And he lost his temper, and he hates that. But, you know, his trust is broken. There's no excuse for you acting like that. You're not.

[Michelle Buteau]

There's none. And I hate when he's like, you know, when my trust is broken by somebody that I've let in so deep, it hurts me to a deeper level. I hate when people say that, like, oh, like, we should be so honored that you decided to let us in. I don't know. I mean, there is an honor of someone welcoming you to a deeper side of themselves, but when they. When they hold it above you, like, I let you in deep, so you can't do that to me. It's like, that's like, okay, stop acting like. Like, you're not. Like, congratulations, you have walls up. But, like, you can't use that as a. As a card to control a relationship. So Michaels is like, you know, it's just, like, you don't get to sit there and play the victim and, like, cry about a situation that didn't happen to you. Michael's at this, literally with you. Like, she is part of this situation. Literally. What? You're Brad's. Brad called out Lake for not being supportive. She is literally part of the situation. And you went and relayed it back and forth. So that's new in this.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

So they're telling him, God, take a breath. Take a breath. He's like, I'm exhausted. Like, I'm so exhausted. And Maddie's like, yeah, Michaels can go super cold when you cross him. But, like, I'm the same way. You know, I just have PowerPoint. You know, maybe he needs a laptop.

[Michelle Buteau]

Very friendly PowerPoint, where I prove that you were actually friends. So he's like, if you're not willing to take accountability, then, like, I don't feel bad for you, like.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

And they're like, just breathe. Just breathe. And he's like, you broke my trust. You had a conversation with Ella about it and it's not our place. And they're like, oh my God, catch your breath. And so he's just going on and on and on.

[Michelle Buteau]

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[Brandon Scott Jones]

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[Michelle Buteau]

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[Brandon Scott Jones]

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[Michelle Buteau]

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[Brandon Scott Jones]

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[Michelle Buteau]

Okay, I have to tell you, I

[Brandon Scott Jones]

was just looking on ebay where I

[Michelle Buteau]

go for all kinds of things I

[Brandon Scott Jones]

love and there it was. That hologram trading card.

[Michelle Buteau]

One of the rarest. The last one I needed for my set.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

Shiny like the designer handbag of my dreams. One of a kind. Ebay had it. And now everyone's asking, ooh, where'd you get your windshield wipers?

[Michelle Buteau]

Ebay has all the parts that fit my car.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

No more annoying, just beautiful. Millions of finds, each with a story. EBay. Things people love. And so Emmy goes to Comfort Lake. Comfort. I put in quotes. Air quotes. And so Emmy Lake is sitting there sobbing, and Emmy's like, oh, my God, I'm so sorry that that happened to you. This is, like, the craziest part is, like, it's like, none of this had to do with Brad's skin color. And they're still coming after me about it. Like, I don't even get to say, but I'm mad. Oh, my God. I don't even get to say. And, like, just stops crying and looks at her like, are you fucking kidding me?

[Michelle Buteau]

It did work. It got, like, to stop crying because, like, Emmy moment time plays Emmy. It's like. It's just, like, crazy. And to think that, like, Will is in law school right now, and, like, he has to get ready for law prom. It's just, like, crazy what's happening to me right now.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

And, like, Brad's allowed to feel this, but, like, like, you have to acknowledge how I feel, too. You know what I mean? And, like, yeah, but I have, like, a genuine, authentic friendship with Michaels, and I believe he's my best friend. And for him to, like, look at me and say, like, he doesn't want to be my friend, and him, he's like, trust me. I know, I know. I know. Because, like, Brad's being so mean to me, and they're, like, trying to make me look bad. Okay, give me a. Give me a hug. Oh, my God. Thank you so much for comforting me. Thank you so much.

[Michelle Buteau]

So outside at the table, Michael's just like, you don't want.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

Selfish, crazy person. Oh, my God.

[Michelle Buteau]

Like, the most hilarious Karen right now. I mean, this is going to be her for the rest of her life. I just want to say, oh, it's

[Brandon Scott Jones]

going to get worse. It's going to get worse and worse. Oh, God, wait until Emmy's on a cul de sac.

[Michelle Buteau]

I know Michael is like, you can't say you don't want to be talked about and then, like, still talk about other people behind their back, you know? And Pratt's like, I feel bad for Lake because Michaels is masquerading his anger with Lake. In the name of me being upset. But at the end of the day, you'll get nothing for nothing. I forgave Lake, and, like, we're good. But, like, whatever is going on between those two is, like, way deeper than what's going on with me. And, like, yeah. So Brad's like, I'm not even mad. Stop. Yeah, stop using me to, like, give you a. Like a. A Basically a moral compass or whatever with your fight with Lake. I mean, you know, should Lake have told Ella? Probably not.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

Especially at this point, it's not even positive. Like, you know, it's not even in

[Michelle Buteau]

the family issue, but still.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

Because at this point, it's not even about that anymore. Like, she did it. You're. He's allowed to be annoyed. That's not the thing. It's not like, well, you know, she's.

[Michelle Buteau]

Whatever.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

You know, he's allowed to be annoyed, but it's just this way of taking it out on someone's really gross and following them into a bathroom and screaming after you dis them all day in front of everybody and treated him like. And done your best to just make her miserable and cry all day. It's just bully behavior. It's shitty behavior. And especially when he's talking about it to everyone else and then being like, well, that's not her business to talk about it to any. Well, why is it yours? She was at least involved in this. You know what I mean? You weren't.

[Michelle Buteau]

And he said last week that his real issue is that it makes him look like the town gossip. And, like, that's really his issue right now.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

But he is the town gossip. He's walking around literally gossiping to everybody about what a she is. So.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah. So Lake goes back out there and she sits down and she's like, so I'm back. Which I thought was funny. It was like, you can see.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

Yeah.

[Michelle Buteau]

She's like, when it comes to being almost painted, like, I wasn't defending you, Brad. My way of coping is through confiding in others. And I'm sorry that. That. That broke your trust. And, like, this hurts. And it hurts to see how angry you were with me. And I'm not really trying to make you angry with me. And I know I broke your trust by confiding in my friends with this. And, like, I think it was just, like, my way of, like, trying to. She is sitting there and she's sobbing at the table. I mean, this girl is sobbing, and

[Brandon Scott Jones]

she's like, you know, like, the last thing I want is for you to paint me as someone who doesn't constantly defend people of color. And because I do that, and I'll always be there and I stand as an advocate. And I hate that I did this to our relation. She's sobbing, like, I said that I did this. And she's like, because I hate not talking to you, Michaels, and I hate when you walk by me and you don't even acknowledge me. Like, I hated that. So now Michael starts crying, but I can't feel anything for Michael's now because I don't even care. Like, yeah. He's like, you made a. Now it's okay because now you've broken her to the point where she's sobbing and begging for you in front of everybody.

[Michelle Buteau]

It's just. Exactly. That's how I felt too. I just felt like, no. He's like, well, I'm not good with, like, faking my emotions. Like, I can't, like, just smile. Put a smile on my face and be like, fake. That's like, not me. I don't move like that. No one's asking you to be fake. We're just asking to be rational and

[Brandon Scott Jones]

to not be a dick.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah. Like, you can be upset at your friend and deal with it. You can even vent to your other friends first to, like, get your mind in the right place of how to deal with it. But, like, you. What you can't be is just like a total dick. You know, you can see later in the episode when Maddie is mad at Joe, she's cold to him, but she also, like, she's.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

She's.

[Michelle Buteau]

She. She. Well, she doesn't. There's no resolution between the two of them, but she at least addresses it pretty soon right after that. And this is just. He was like, non confident. He's very avoidant with her, but then also making her suffer and humiliating her. And I just was like, this is shitty.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

I mean, yeah. So Michaels is now crying and he can't fake his emotions and blah. She's like, okay. I go, mewtwo. Like, so they make her. They make up, basically. And so Brad's like, okay, guys, it's okay. Like, why are we crying? And Justin's like, hey, like, people like you. And they're like, yeah, you're fine. Like, we love you. Everybody loves you, Lake. And then Emmy gets mad. She's like, wow. Well, Brad accepted Lake's apology

[Michelle Buteau]

in the corner. Everyone's like, there's this happy moment at the end of the table where Brad has literally said, your apology. Yeah.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

She only had to Apologize because she was not standing up to you properly. You ding bat, Emmy. So Emmy's like, I mean, I'm right here. Like, I'm literally right here, and I deserve to have a conversation, but, like, I'm not getting any respect or courtesies that everyone else around me is getting.

[Michelle Buteau]

So what. What apology does Emmy want to have? Is it because Brad sent that text that said, you're dead to me?

[Brandon Scott Jones]

You're dead to me? I guess. I guess.

[Michelle Buteau]

But, like, he actually gave you apology. He already. That you guys already settled that, and he was. Whatever it was. So there's nothing.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

Yeah. This new fight isn't about the. Even about the microaggression, Emmy. It's about you going and saying afterwards that you or you only faked an apology so that he wouldn't ruin your life. So.

[Michelle Buteau]

Oh, God.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

So now they're like, oh, this. Let's get a shot. So they go in, and Michael's in lake hug. And he's like, okay, we're gonna be fine now. Stop being dramatic, okay? And so she's so happy to be friends with him again, and I'm just like, stay away from him. That's not. That's not your friend. But, I mean, if your friend is. If your friend's gonna act like that when there's any kind of a problem. I mean, friendships have problems sometimes. You know, I can't be friends with somebody who's going to treat me like that when there's that.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah, I mean, part of it, too, is that they are, like, 22, 23, and they're. Yeah, they're dumb.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

They're babies.

[Michelle Buteau]

They're, like, at a very dumb age. So I don't ever want to give anyone a pass. But, like, sometimes we forget that, like, when you're 22 and 23, you think this is how you resolve things, and

[Brandon Scott Jones]

you're just, listen, I give myself a pass for being, like, when I was 48. I'm like, oh, my God. I was a baby. What did I know? I forgive myself. So, yeah, I do kind of give a pass, but at the same time, it's like, it was hard in this situation. It's not like Michaels isn't dead to me, but, like, still, this is just.

[Michelle Buteau]

This was dead, but, like, it was. To me, this was like. This really was a big. It was a big demerit on my end because I. I've actually really enjoyed Michaels, and I. I really like him, and I. And I think that he. His whole thing is that he's, like, a mature 21 year old, mature, 22 year old. And we're seeing the season that he's actually not at all. I mean, we saw it last season, too, but this season we're really seeing that he's not like, he's. He is a very young man who carries with him a lot of trauma, and I think we see it bubble out in some of these social interactions.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

Yeah. But age aside, like, you should not be screaming at women, period.

[Michelle Buteau]

Never.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

And this is the second time he's done it this season. And both times after he's done it, and he kind of gets called out by people, he starts sobbing. And that's like, that's not good. That's not a good personality trait. So. Hope he fixes that one. So they make up, and then inside, Bella's like, slumber party. And everyone's like, who are you? So they come out in their outfits and they're being.

[Michelle Buteau]

We invited, Ella. So this is awkward.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

Yeah. So me and Justin sit by the fire, and she's like, you're sexy. He's like, you're sexy. Are you kidding me? Look who's talking. God. Bruce Willis was good in that. You know, I feel like I won't say much about myself, but I will say this. I'm good energy. All right? Talk about my nuts. A lot coming on people's faces. That's how it is, you know? So that's all that matters.

[Michelle Buteau]

Me, I may ask you this. Have you ever tried to squeeze a watermelon through an opening the size of a lemon? Sorry, that was just some Lucas talking commentary for you.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

Great quote, good energy. You know how I try and fuck one girl constantly, promise her I'm not going to do anything with anyone else at work, and then try and get in your pants on camera just to upset her? That's good energy. Good energy. Justin Ding.

[Michelle Buteau]

So the girls are brushing their teeth and everything, and they're, like, watching. Well, like, Brad is, like, making some burgers and stuff like that. And then Michaels and TJ are watching Mia and Justin flirting. And so Mark's like, yes, K. And then TJ moons them for no reason. He's like, if you guys kiss them. Well, guys, like, she's like, well, if we kiss, you'll kiss. Like. Like, yeah, yeah, we'll totally do that. So then, like, both sets kiss, and everyone's like, oh, my God. But then Mia and Justin really kiss, like, a lot. And then everyone's like, wow. And everyone cheers, and it's very Love island coded.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

So now Michaels and TJ Go to bed. So we see them in the dark, and they turn on the tv, and Michaels is like, we need to watch Salt Lake City. So we see them watching it, and then we just hear them start fucking. And Michaels is like, wow, you have a nice ass. And TJ's like, oh, me? Yeah, don't act dumb. Is that your anteater?

[Michelle Buteau]

Yo, don't be scared of him. He's nice. The stuff you put on your butt tastes good, by the way.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

Oh, my God. Are the cameras in there while he's eating his butt? What the hell's happening?

[Michelle Buteau]

It was like a GoPro. And it just keeps on zooming in closer and closer. On the Salt Lake City, like, episode that's Aaron's like, Braunwood in a car or something like that. Nothing gets it up. Like seeing the women of Salt Lake City fight in, like, 1776 garb.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

Everyone's gonna take a drunk test.

[Michelle Buteau]

I love eating your ass.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

You're an alcoholic and a pill popper.

[Michelle Buteau]

Oh, yeah, yeah, take it all.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

So the morning, everyone's hungover and making mimosas and stuff, and bread in the toaster pops up, and Emily's like, oh, my God, I want to leave. I want to leave. I want to leave. That toaster did not even apologize to me.

[Michelle Buteau]

I feel unsafe with this toaster. I feel very unsafe. Yeah, so people are. People are milling about and everything, and they're just, like, getting their. Their breakfast, etc, and they're, like, joking about Michael's shorts being so small and, like, hey, does anyone's body hurt them? Like, yeah, my body hurts. Yeah, me too. Me too. Me, too. Me, too. And then Mia's like, I'm gonna, like, work out. I'm gonna help Michael's workout. My. Michael's gonna help me work out my bruise. So Michael's takes, like, a egg whisk and starts rubbing this egg whisk into Mia's thigh. And I'm like, are you guys six years old playing doctor? Like, first of all, why aren't you not supposed to rub a bruise? And what is an egg whisk supposed to do?

[Brandon Scott Jones]

I don't know. But always be wary of cooking utensils in an Airbnb. Always.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

Mia is asking if Michael's made that with tj, and he's like, yeah, you saw us outside. And they're like, but did you guys do it? Did you? Oh, my God. And then they're. You know, the couples are teasing each other, and just. They're like, oh, my God. Mia and Justin did You guys do it. And they're like, yeah, so they.

[Michelle Buteau]

What about.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

And they're like, what about Jordan? She's like, I don't know Jordan. Yeah. I mean, it's like, I don't even know that girl. Like, I'm not friends with her like that. Like, I don't send her memes.

[Michelle Buteau]

I'm not like, Kyle and PK on Beverly Hills. We don't send memes to each other. That's the watermark.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

She's like, yeah, if I send you memes, we're friends, and I don't have a relationship with her. And Justin's giving me, like, no signs that, you know, he's a single man. He's single as a motherfucking Pringle. And in Charleston, that's a literal single person who's never going to find anybody. So, I mean it.

[Michelle Buteau]

Justin tells us. Yeah, I called Jordan to explain what happened. And, you know, before Lake had. Goes scurrying off to Jordan about it, I just. Just cut, you know, and I just basically got cussed out, like, a lot of effus. You're this, you're that. I think I probably dragged the situationship on a bit too long. Right? Type. So now they pack up, time to go. And Joe's like, yeah, I still got a lot of to do because, like, remember, I'm doing, like, an email party for my birthday. It's like, a big deal. I'm like, I'll sell things, so.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

Almost forgot about my birthday. Almost forgot about it. How did you almost forget about it? You haven't shut up about it for two weeks.

[Michelle Buteau]

Let me see them. A flashback that they're, like, hanging, like, posters up. It's like, come to my birthday. So there. He's like, yeah, I'm putting, like, five months of my rent into this event, so I better, like, work out, you know? So then they go back to asking TJN and Michaels about, like, did you guys see each other's penises? Yes. Everyone, like, Happy.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

So Justin tells us, yeah, there was, like, moaning and panting and, like, sounds that I didn't. I can't humanly replicate the sounds. And TJ's like, I did not eat booty. Molly says, but did he eat your booty? And he's like, I didn't say anything. So they're like, love it. Gay sex. They did it. And so now they all leave because there's going to be a storm. So everybody leaves, and we go back to everybody living their home life. Lake's doing laundry. Brad's vacuuming. And now Lake.

[Michelle Buteau]

I'm sorry, Lake. Doing laundry was the funniest thing. So she has, like, standing units, whatever, and she has her, like, her washing machine doors open, and she comes around the corner with a big pile of laundry in her. In her arms to put into the washing machine. Instead of just, like, putting in the washing machine, she, like, tries to throw it in there. Like, she's, like, afraid to get close to the washing machine, so just throws it. It all somehow misses. It just falls right in front of it. I just was laughing at the total inefficiency and in efficacy of this process for her.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

Not a lot of spatial awareness there. So Joe and Maddie wake up and he's like, I'm a little hungover. She goes, yeah, I'm not. Maybe you should try to do better at that. He's like, what? She goes, never mind. He's like, yeah. Also, like, I've had a hell of a week, like, a disco that, like, working on my birthday party, like, my event, you know, like, having all of this in the back of my head. It's been hard. Like, I had to go out and rub my penis on my truck.

[Michelle Buteau]

I have so much in the back of my head that it actually is, like, on top of my head now. That's what, like, is like, my bump. It's just my anxiety. So she's like, you know, I know Joe is going through, like, a lot. He's, like, turning 30, which is like, a very scary age because, like, at that point you might as well just, like, enter a home. But, like, he's really lost in his career. And it's like. It's almost like he goes to alcohol to cope with it. And then we see a sequence of Joe being, you know, drinking and everything. And he's like, like, I'm just like. I'm like. It's like a little bump in the road. A bump it in the road, if you will, where I feel like I'm, like, plateauing. I just got, like, losing my fire. And I'm getting bombarded with, like, hundreds of people every night. Like, I love it for like an hour or two. And then I just, like, just want to drink.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

Yeah. And so he's like, yeah, like, the only reason, like, I'm turning. Turning nervous about turning 30 is like, where's my career right now? And so he says he wants to get married to Maddie and he doesn't want to be proposing while he's, like, working at the door in a club. Like, I want more. And I told Lovell, like, I Want to party with you, partner with you in Lamar. But she was like, you know, like, if I just didn't go to a few of your DJ sets, like, that they would have considered, like, partner with me at the new location.

[Michelle Buteau]

And so nice spin on that, by the way. She wasn't like. It wasn't like, oh, you just missed this opportunity by just a few. He's making Leva sound unreasonable. Like, like, she. She kicked him out of the opportunity based on just as, like, one or two DJ sets. And she was like, no, you up and left and started touring with Maddie the whole summer, and we.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

You.

[Michelle Buteau]

You disappeared. It wasn't just like, oh, just one or two. Two gigs.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

And she's like, but you've been working your ass off for them for, like, five years, Joe. Like, you do every job over there. Like, you're the manager, you're a bar back, you're a hostess. Like, literally every job. He's like, hostesses are female, so host, whatever.

[Michelle Buteau]

I don't know. You need, like, a PowerPoint about it. I actually could do a PowerPoint. It's like, no, no, I hear you, but, like, I just don't know what to do. Like, I'm just kind of like. Like, I'm, like, kind of stuck. Like, go to your job, Joe. That's what you do.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

Your job, Joe. That's all they're asking you to do. Show up to work. So now we're back at Republic, and everyone's hungover and tired, and Jordan walks in. Then everyone's like, oh, my God, Jordan. Well, you found your rouge something.

[Michelle Buteau]

I'm Jordan. Leva, meanwhile, is in the back room, and she's looking at, like, the tables that are sold for the night. And she's like, wow, four tables. Weak, weak sauce. We could doodle doo. I'm like, where's Leah CEO, by the way? Because she'd be on top of this.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

Where is Leah CEO? I need her back in my life. This is what they. Get rid of Leah. I need Leah back immediately. So Michaels is like, well, Joe did at least book one. And she's. She's like, I'm sitting in on this meeting. So she goes in and she's like, guys, guys, I saw four tables. That's pretty weak. Like, maybe, like, try to sell some tables and, like, maybe get some people in here before. Yeah, like, one.

[Michelle Buteau]

Damn. I feel like there's, like, no one else in the room right now. It's like she was talking directly to my bump. It's like, yeah, Joe knows my eyes. He Knows he needs to book at least five tables. That's the bare minimum. He's like, oh, yeah. Well, I'm pretty sure there are some women in their upper 50s who are ready for a table outside. So I'm gonna get to work. Work.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

Listen, one thing I can find on the street any night is a Countess lwan fan. I'm. I'm about to do it. So they start working, and now we see some sexual tension with Michaels and Justin. Because Michaels is like, hey, Te. Do you have any VIP menus back there? TJ's like, yeah. And everyone's like, oh, my God, I feel the sexual tension.

[Michelle Buteau]

TJ does that thing when, when he really likes someone is that he scurries away. He's like, here are the menus. And he, like, runs off to the other side of the bar. So then Joe's outside, there's these ladies, and he's like, hey. Hi, ladies. What's going on? What are you celebrating? Oh, we're celebrating your birthday. Well, your 30th birthday.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

Oh, my God, I love you.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah. If you guys want to get a VIP table, we give you that, like a bottle, sparklers and sign and all that. You can even touch the bumper. It.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

Sparklers? What, you got sparklers? Like, hell yes. We're in, young man. Get us in there.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah, yeah, there's. There's sparklers. Like, can you play Stevie Nicks? I don't know who that is, but sure, we can ask him. So Joe. Joe's like, lava. Have I not proved to you that, like, after, like, year after year, I got the job done? Let me cook like aos.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

She's like, yeah. This last minute attempt to getting old ladies from the street is, like, not winning me over, Joe. Try harder. Try harder, Jo. So he stops in a mirror and he's. Oh, no. Now we're at Michael's and Michael stops in the mirror and he's like, God, I'm hot. So then he gets on, on zoom with Corey, a talent manager who met him in la, and it's going to make him a star.

[Michelle Buteau]

Totally trustworthy. I think this seems like a great idea. Like, what could go. What could possibly go wrong?

[Brandon Scott Jones]

He's like, well, what do you want for yourself, Michaels? He's like, oh, my God. Like Tommy Hilfiger, Calvin Klein, Lauren, Ralph Lauren. That would be great. He goes, you know what I see? I see you on billboards in Times Square. That's what I see.

[Michelle Buteau]

Michael, this guy's such a con artist. You're gonna be on Times Square. Okay. So it's like, yeah, so he really, like, what he sees from me is because I, like, you know, I'm like. I'm, like, living in the south, but I, like, work in hospitality. And, like, one thing you don't ever see with models, they never work in hospitality. So I'm, like, pretty unique. And then I'm also sexy and fun, which is something you don't see in, like, a model. And also, like, I'm gay. And, like, one thing with models, male models, models, rarely gay. So, like, I'm kind of like a unicorn.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

So he's been wanting to be a model forever, so he's gonna do it. And then we go to Rainey shift at Republic, and Maddie clocks in. She's like, oh, my God. Like, it's raining so hard. Like, I'm afraid to get my equipment wet. But she does, and she comes in, and she's gonna have to DJ inside. So Joe comes up. He's 23 minutes late, and he's like, Michael's is like, oh, my God, you may be tired, but your outfit is Cut Fitness. So. And she's like, thank you. But, like, also, like, I'm pissed because Joe told me he was working that night and, like, last night. And of course, like, I have his location, so, like, I check his location, and it's at another bar.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah. It's not like I'm like, an Uber tracker. I only track Joe when he's, like, not responding to make sure he's, like, not dead in a ditch somewhere.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

So he's been lying to her. And so she's like, yeah. And I hate that Leva has this perception, like, I have anything to do with him missing out on work. Like. Like, you know, I don't make him come with me or hang out with me. Like, he wants to do that. You know what I mean? And Michaels is like, yeah. So Joe comes in and he's like, hey, are you playing? You're DJing inside? You want me to help you move it outside? She's like, yeah, it's raining outside, Joe. So, yeah, I guess that's a good point.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah. So I'm gonna play in here. Okay. You want food or anything? Like, you're okay?

[Brandon Scott Jones]

Not really.

[Michelle Buteau]

She's obviously pissed at me, and I have no idea why, but I don't know if I'd rather have Maddie yell at me, embarrass me in front of. In front of everyone. I'm like, there's no one in the room, Joe. It's like the pretzels. I Don't want the pretzels to be. To, like, pass judgment on me. Or maybe I should just be silent. Like, this is the most annoying part of a relationship, is when she gets mad and I don't know why. Like, what did I do?

[Brandon Scott Jones]

So after she's done working, she's like, okay, look, there's something I want to talk to you about. Like, I'm pissed because I feel like I constantly check your LOC and you're not at Republic. You're out at a bar. And, like, I don't find that appropriate. Like, I support you starting a business and bettering your life. Not staying, saying that you're doing that, but then you're going out and drinking. Going on a bender.

[Michelle Buteau]

I was on a bender. I was home at 11pm Is that a bender? Well, whatever. I mean, is that a Bender at 11pm Do I remember where I was? Did I come home with, I'm not wearing any pants, perhaps, but it's not a bender. If I come back at 11pm and

[Brandon Scott Jones]

she's like, well, if you. If you spent time at home, then you would have a proposal together. You know, like, maybe you would have a bar open, like, make it effort. And he's like, oh, my God. Like, well, Friday worked till 1 and then I went to Lamar's, but that's also work because it's owned by the same place, so. Got you on that one.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah. No, you didn't, Joe, because I just talked to Michals Michaels and he said you left work on Friday and you didn't work last night. Well, at one. Well, at one AM, I. So since I worked. Since I went to work on Thursday and I worked until 1am that counts that I worked on Friday too, if you think about it. See? Gotcha. Bump it, Bump it, brain.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

He's like, I didn't say I was going to work yesterday. She goes, l. Oh, L, Joe.

[Michelle Buteau]

Classic Matt. Now you know you've gotten her mad if she's spelling out lol LO fucking L, Joe. Yeah. Not a single time did I tell you I was going to work yesterday. Not a single time.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

Okay, so you didn't communicate with me on Thursday, Friday and Saturday and Sunday this weekend? Do you have to work at Republic? He's like, no, that's not true. She goes, joe, that is a lie. Why are you lying, Joe? You up, Joe?

[Michelle Buteau]

Oh, I'm not lying. What's your deal? Like, how can we solve this? Like, would you want me to, like, stay at home with you all night long? That's like Crazy. Why would I ever want to hang out with my girlfriend?

[Brandon Scott Jones]

And she's like, we need space, okay? She's like, our realities aren't matching up and it's inappropriate. You go out, you go to after parties, you know, well, after the business is closed. He's like, I'm not doing that though. Like I sent you a picture of me in bed at like 11:15 last night. Like I was in bed, I was taking you a picture of me. And she's like, no, you didn't. And goes, yeah, I swear to God, like I'll show you my Uber. It's in your head. You're smiling right now. You're like going, c goo, you're cray cray.

[Michelle Buteau]

And then he like shows her a picture of her like in his Uber at 11:30. And so Maddie is like, this is like the first time in any relationship I've been more worried about my boyfriend actually getting wasted than cheating on me. It's extremely triggering to my sobriety. She, you don't even remember last night. He was like, okay, cool, you know what, I'm going, I'm, you know, I can't deal with this. Why would you do this? Okay, like, God, you're making me so emo. Which is actually kind of good if you think about it. Cuz I got an email party coming up, but you begged me not to work here. And then when I like go to work, you like scream at me, me. They're crazy.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

And she's like, I've never begged you not to work here. I begged you on my hands and knees, Joe, go to work. Work here. But you don't work here. And he's like, yes, I do. She goes, you show up and you leave. He's like, this is all in your brain, by the way. It's all in your head. Like she goes, oh, yeah, okay, it's all in my head, Joe. So cuz when you begged me to

[Michelle Buteau]

work here, you didn't realize it was opposite days. So you really weren't begging me to work here. Joe, stop it, stop it. It's like, look, look, okay, you know, this is just, it's all okay. You're always saying, oh, I work, I work, I never leave. Well why are you coming after me? Like, why would you do this to me? I'm gonna go, I'm gonna leave in my truck. Bye. So he gets into his truck and drives off and Maddie's left there alone. But Michael's is there because he's everywhere. And she just goes up to him and she's like. I'm, like, I'm sober, and it, like, sucks because I feel like he's going out all the time and getting hammered, and then I feel like I'm the enabler. And I don't know if I'm, like, mentally and emotionally okay with being, like, the town drunk drunk or being with the town drunk.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

Yeah. This is not gonna work out unless he either stops drinking or curbs it. I don't know how you can be sober and be with someone who's not getting wasted every night.

[Michelle Buteau]

That's just. Yeah, that is gonna be.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

You'd be friends with them, but I don't know that you can, like, be a couple with somebody like that. That's. Yeah.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah. Especially because I think that she wants her man to be a little bit more ambitious. And Joe, I think, is probably coasting a bit on being a reality star and, like, having these sort of quasi plans.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

Yeah. And she's living. She's working really hard at living her dream, and he's just complaining that nobody's handing him anything, and that's got to be really annoying to be around. But it's like, well, why didn't they just give me a restaurant? She's like, I'm out here working my balls off, and you're complaining while you're going drinking every night instead of showing up at work and shit. So I don't know.

[Michelle Buteau]

Michael's. Michael's. Like, his behavior hasn't changed. Like, I don't know if it's gonna change anytime soon. Oh, my God. Like, don't cry. You're making me cry. Like, stop. Like. Like, I'm a model now. I'm not supposed to cry. It's not making me look beautiful.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

Well, that's that. So we'll see, everybody. Well, thanks for being here with us. We'll be back tomorrow with Real Housewives of Beverly Hills and Ladies of London.

[Michelle Buteau]

Bye, everyone.

[Brandon Scott Jones]

Bye.

[Michelle Buteau]

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