#3318 Southern Hospitality S4E07: Mia Culpa

Summary

Watch What Crappens – Episode #3318 "Southern Hospitality S4E07: Mia Culpa"

Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Date: April 16, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Ben and Ronnie deliver their signature blend of love and mockery as they recap and dissect Southern Hospitality Season 4, Episode 7 ("Mia Culpa"). The pair dive into the endless drama at Leva's Charleston hot spots—especially newcomer bar Zach Stacks (or "Zack Zacks," as they're forced to call it), Joe and Maddie's relationship issues, the tangled love triangle between Jordan, Justin, and Mia, and a paint-and-sip event that serves up more shade than art. With biting humor, pop culture tangents, and plenty of Bravo gossip, the hosts bring all the Southern Charm messiness to life.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Zach Stacks/Zack Stacks: The Bar That Launched a Thousand Eye Rolls

• [03:23] Ronnie sets the tone with a rant about Zach Stacks (the frozen daiquiri bar), refusing to embrace the affectionate nickname “Zack Zacks” for a place he finds "basic" and "the Bisquick of bars."
  • Quote:
    "I'm not giving it an abbreviation. An affectionate abbreviation. No. I hate it." – Ronnie, [03:53]
• [04:11] Ben highlights a real-life controversy at opening, where the bar enforced a targeted dress code perceived as racially discriminatory. This adds context to their disdain for the venue.
• The consensus: a silly, generic, multicolor daiquiri machine bar shouldn’t be taken so seriously—let alone become a hub for cast drama.

2. Joe & Maddie – Relationship on the Rocks

• [07:18] Tension dominates as Joe and Maddie navigate their first real fight. Joe’s partying and lying about his whereabouts upsets Maddie—especially given her sobriety.
  • Quote:
    "Maybe lie less. The problem is more the lying. The lying, Joe." – Ben, [07:30]
• Ronnie and Ben poke fun at Joe’s “never enough gel” hair routine and dig into trust issues fueled by Joe’s “lie by omission” tactics.
• [24:07] Later, Joe vents to TJ during a Botox-and-skin-scan outing, blaming Maddie's sobriety for blowing his behavior out of proportion. Ben and Ronnie are unsympathetic, noting that if Joe didn't have a drinking problem, “drinking less” wouldn’t offend him so deeply.

3. Justin, Mia, and the Tale of the Lamb Chops

• [09:29] – [10:48] Ronnie and Ben break down Justin’s “three Fs” reasoning (Fun, Food, F***ing) for his situationship with Jordan—and how it shifts when Mia becomes involved. The infamous photo of his lamb chop dinner, with Mia’s boob in the background, is dissected as a sloppy attempt to soft-launch a new romance (and stick it to Jordan).
  • Quote:
    "You can bring me dick, I can get dick anywhere for free, but you bring me, like, something on a really nice home toasted bun… you're just messing with me." – Ben, [11:46]
• The hosts speculate that Mia and Justin’s “accidental” Instagram reveals are more about storylines than romance, poking fun at how obvious and petty the whole situation is.

4. Art, Hospitality & the Paint-and-Sip Event

• [36:08, 56:00] Lake leverages her art degree by hosting a "Sip Happens" paint-and-sip event at Zach Stacks. Despite bringing a creative touch to an uninspired venue, the gathering quickly devolves into petty drama.
• [46:33] The irony of hustling artsy experiences in a basic bar (with only pleather furniture) isn’t lost on Ben and Ronnie.
• They also shade Lake’s ambitions ("I just hope I can impress Leva so I can do more labor for her") and the reality of event-planning-for-screen-time.

5. Skin Deep: The Botox & Skin Scan Segment

• [23:47] – [30:23] Joe and TJ visit a Botox spa, submitting to a horrifying “skin age” scan. They lampoon the anxiety-producing results and joke about gay men’s insecurities being expertly leveraged by the beauty industry.
  • Quote:
    "On this side is TJ, and on this side is the old lady from Titanic who still had the jewels from the bottom of the ocean." – Ben, [25:16]
• Ronnie suspects the procedure is a scam to make gays buy more treatments (“That’s how they get him!”), noting Joe outperforms TJ, with "skin age" even lower than his actual age.

6. Molly – Katy Perry or Nancy Grace?

• [32:42 – 33:53] Ben hilariously obsesses over who Molly resembles, eventually landing on a young Nancy Grace (not Katy Perry). This triggers a rant about her reality-TV energy and why her try-hard personality both works and backfires.
• Ronnie’s take: Molly fights with everyone and is a “messy” addition, always down to stir something up for a storyline.

7. Friendship, Betrayal, and Reality TV Loyalties

• [37:21 – 74:48] Central conflict: Mia makes out with Justin, upsetting Jordan, while Molly is caught between her roommate (Jordan) and her encouragement for Mia to date Justin. Flashbacks expose Molly’s duplicity; current drama at the paint-and-sip lays it all bare.
  • Quote:
    "You wanted to have date that man for your chance to be on this show. It didn't work out. This was your chance. Zach’s Dax. You blew it, Jordan. Get out." – Ben, [74:30]
• Cast members volley accusations of not being a "girl’s girl," fakeness, and fake boobs. Ronnie and Ben love the absurdity, mocking how much airtime is devoted to split ends and cosmetic surgery shade.

8. Sober Struggles and Generational Trauma

• [41:12 – 45:33] A real moment: Maddie meets with her sponsor Julia to discuss her anxiety about enabling Joe and her fear of repeating generational cycles of unhealthy partying. They reflect thoughtfully on the challenges of sobriety in a world that expects (and sometimes demands) drinking.

9. Event Recaps, Comic Bits, and Meta-Commentary

• Ben and Ronnie’s running bits, pop culture tangent (Sogay magazine, “twink” discourse, and more), and sharp meta-commentary are ever-present:
  • Sogay Magazine ([15:52 – 23:14]): Recap of Michaels' cover photoshoot for "so.gay" magazine, with plenty of jokes about digital magazine clout and gay parental relationships.
  • Club Antics: Multiple jokes about overuse of gel, “bump-it” hair accessories, and the fun of group birthday sparklers at clubs.
  • Ad Read Tangents: Ronnie and Ben expertly ridicule and seamlessly integrate ad breaks into their comedic flow.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Zach Stacks dress code controversy:
  "Look how the people in here dress. It's like a bunch of west hats and dirty, unwashed people. So where’s the dress code come in?" – Ben, [12:18]

• On Justin’s food-based dating philosophy:
  “We have fun, you feed me and you fuck me. And then she giggles away. So I guess that's a G. If I had an A in there, I'm gonna be in real trouble.” – Justin via Ronnie, [10:05]

• On the futility of birthday sparklers at clubs:
  ”Doesn't that make it less special when everybody has a sign?” – Ben, [12:39]

• On “skin scan” technology:
  ”There's one thing I hate and that is truth. That is like truth in technology.” – Ben, [26:05]

• On reality TV apology logic:
  "The issue is that Molly feels guilty because her friend feels bad, and Molly encouraged Mia to do this, and now she's actually upset at Mia for doing it. It's...your own stupid Jane Austin backfire." – Ronnie, [59:50]

• On female friendship standards:
  ”What I value in friendships and real people are not characteristics any of you guys have exhibited. Not.” – Ben, [72:15]

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Useful Timestamps for Key Segments

• Zach Stacks dress code controversy & commentary: [04:11 – 05:32]
• Joe & Maddie relationship breakdown: [06:42 – 08:18], [24:07 – 30:23], [63:07 – 66:31]
• Justin/Jordan/Mia triangle & lamb chop photo drama: [09:47 – 13:22], [49:01 – 54:06]
• Sogay Magazine photoshoot storyline: [15:52 – 23:14]
• Botox & skin scanner comedy: [23:47 – 30:23]
• Paint-and-sip event at Zach Stacks: [36:08 – 37:09], [55:45 – 74:48]
• Maddie and Julia’s sober talk by the lake: [41:12 – 45:33]
• Molly’s “Nancy Grace” reveal and general personality analysis: [32:42 – 34:41]
• Molly and Lake argument flashbacks: [37:21 – 39:36], [59:24 – 74:23]
• Running bits & banter (birthday signs, hair accessories, fake boobs): Interspersed throughout, especially [12:37 – 17:38], [27:57 – 31:14], [47:39 – 49:01]

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Final Thoughts

Ben and Ronnie, as always, transform Bravo’s Southern Hospitality chaos into a hilarious, biting recap. Their chemistry, quick-witted jokes, and deep knowledge of Bravo universes elevate the episode from a humble summary to a full-on comedy show meets critical analysis. This installment is essential listening for anyone who loves reality TV, messiness, and finding the fun in even the most basic frozen daiquiri bars.

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Transcript

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Caram]

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[Ronnie Caram]

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[Ben Mandelker]

Do it.

[Ronnie Caram]

Last season on Southern Charm. Vanita and her mom went to a place called Zachary Zachary's. And I remember at the time not really loving this place. I was like, this place is sort of annoying looking. And then this episode is a lot of Zachary. Zachary's. But even worse, if I have to hear Zachary's daiquiris referred to as Zack Stacks one more time, I was gonna

[Ben Mandelker]

say, why are you calling it Zachary's Daiquiris? It's Zack Stacks, guys.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's just like a lighter place.

[Ben Mandelker]

Really excited about Zach Stacks.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's a party at Zach Zacks. I'm like, no, I am not abbreviating that stupid frozen multicolor machine bar shithole. No, I won't do it. I'm not giving it an abbreviation. An affectionate abbreviation. No, I hate it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. I had some controversy when it started. Zach Stacks. I remember this came out because there was a targeted dress code there. So an opening weekend, March 1, 2025, the bar was accused of enforcing a strict dress code that critics, including social media users and viral TikTok, claimed was targeted against black customers. Bouncers were allegedly telling patrons, no Jordans, no ripped jeans, no athletic pants. After 8pm selective enforcement accusations stated that this dress code was selectively applied to groups of black men while other. So I remember reading about this when this happened. And so.

[Ronnie Caram]

That's right.

[Ben Mandelker]

I knew what it was. So I knew what it was when. When Vanita went there. And I definitely knew what it was about this time. And, you know, look, Zach, stop trying to make Zach Stacks happen.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's like it's 50, you know, it's

[Ben Mandelker]

a line of 50 machines of, like, multicolored daiquiris. I just stopped. Leave me alone. Like, isn't There enough.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's so basic. It looks like also kind of a bar. You'd see it like. Like the Downtown Disney or something. I don't know. I just hated everything about it. It just was like, I was like. And this is a place that's gonna have a dress code. Really? It's like frozen. Frozen daiquiris. I don't know. I just every. I. I just have to breathe deeply. Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

Zach Stocks. Zach Stacks.

[Ronnie Caram]

So this music plays and some tricksy monocle where it's like, who's that chick? She's thick. Like Bisquick. I'm like, did you get. Did you. Was that approved by the Bisquick Corporation? They license their name out to be used in this Trixie.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know, but it was there. It was there. So we are.

[Ronnie Caram]

Anyone. Anyone who knows anything about pancake mix knows that if you're gonna use a pancake mix, it's going to be crusties with a Z.

[Ben Mandelker]

That girl's the Max. She's like, Zack Stocks.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. Zack Zacks is like the Bisquick of pancake mixes of bars I go to. More of a crusty place.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Today is a big Zack Stacks and Sir Wieners promo. So we're in the Republic back room, and Bradley's. Bradley, T.J. michaels. Everyone's prepping, know, getting ready for the shift, and Joe's just staring at himself in the mirror like, yeah, hey, it's me. Joe.

[Ronnie Caram]

Look hot.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hey, Joe. Want to bump it? Yeah, let's bump it. Putting in his hair. And TJ's like, do you have enough gel there? He's like, never got enough gel. It's never enough. Never enough gel, bro.

[Ronnie Caram]

Never enough. Right? So women arrive and everything, and then Maddie and Maddie and Joe are ignoring each other, and Michaels is, like, feeling some tension. You guys good, man? Like, yeah, Yeah. I just like to stare at you, Michaels. Okay. You're, like, really pretty. He's like, yeah, I just wish I. You looked at me like, you know, Maddie, remember me, your boyfriend? I'm over here, remember?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, it's, like, super shitty. It's our first real fight, but, like, she knew she was getting in a relationship with, you know, I love to drink, I love to party.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, but you knew who you were getting into a relationship with also, and she's sober, so.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, you love to drink, you love to party, but maybe lie less. You know, I think the. The problem is more the lying. The lion. Joe. Hello, El Joe.

[Ronnie Caram]

I'm not mad. I'm not. I'm not in the Market for, like, a sober boyfriend. But Joe has been out drinking and then lied to me about it, saying he was, quote, unquote, at work. Okay. And that's, like, not cool. And Joe's like, huh? I mean, like, maybe technically, like, he does that thing where he puts his hands on his hips and he leans forward. He's like. I mean, maybe technically, like, I did lie by a mission. Cuz, like, I didn't keep her, like, updated the entire night. But, like, I'm not, like, sneaking around or anything. I mean, she's like, got my location. So Maddie's like, yeah. I mean, obviously I have trust issues. It's like, it's triggering to me.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Michael's briefs everybody with the high energy brief. He's like, okay, so, like, Joe, like, Maddie, you guys are gonna be working the door, so. Okay, well, let's have a good Thursday night then. Whoa. Go, team. You should lead an army.

[Ronnie Caram]

He really knows how to rally the troops.

[Ben Mandelker]

He really does. So now we see everybody working. This is like, club music. I'm too sexy for your eyes. You make up blinds. Guys, did Tim Rice just quit?

[Ronnie Caram]

I think so. Because this. This needs to be on Broadway. So Lake is. So Blake is leaning on the bar. She's talking to Jordan, the bartender. And Jordan. And Lake is like, I just want to check up on you and make sure you're good. Are you gonna, like, talk to, like, the devil? And then we see Justin at the door. Because he's the devil.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's the devil.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. And Jordan's like. She's like, I'm good.

[Ben Mandelker]

Jordan is just like, a stick of rouge up there. Like, I'm good. Honestly, I don't like him, even give a fuck about him. I don't care. It's like, period, though. Period. And, like, people are gonna find out who he is eventually, so whatever. It's like, yeah, he's like, on thin ice. Like, period, period.com.

[Ronnie Caram]

brad is. But Brad's outside standing with Justin, and they look at, like, they look over towards just Jordan, and Justin's like, I feel like I'm about to be put in fucking blunder right now. He's like, what? What'd you do to get blended? He's like, I don't know, because I feel like I've been, like, so upfront with her, and I've just never had a headache like this over, like, a situationship. He's like, I think Jordan has been, like, telling people that we're more of an item than, like, the reality is. And, like, the reality Is she, like, comes to me for three things. She calls it the three Fs. We have fun, you feed me and you fuck me. And then she giggles away. So I guess that's a G. So we got three Fs and a G. If I had an A in there, I'm gonna be in real trouble. So I think it's time that, like, we just sever things completely with her.

[Ben Mandelker]

This is. This is actually what sent me over the edge with Justin. I mean, I hate him anyway, but, like, you fun fuck me, you feed me. She has to feed you too.

[Ronnie Caram]

Really?

[Ben Mandelker]

That's low.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, she's low. He said that she comes to him for three things, so I think that he feeds her.

[Ben Mandelker]

We have fun and you feed me and you fuck me. So I thought he was saying that she has to feed him if he feeds her. That's, you know. But also, we haven't seen much of this in reality, so I don't know what Justin is saying is true. Like, I've been so upfront with her. All we've seen is him with her cuddling on the couch in a flashback and her being like, just don't date anyone I work with or anyone I'm friends with. So we saw that. And him being like, okay, and that's exactly what you're doing.

[Ronnie Caram]

So, yeah, the problem is his three F's thing. Like, until we can get that sorted out about who's feeding who whom, we're just really not going to be able to move past this like this.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, yeah, because if you're saying this is just casual, you know, this is just casual. We're just like, fucking or whatever and someone's like, okay, I agree to that. But then you're like, you need to bring me food every time you fuck me. That's different. Like, that takes it to a different level, I think. Yeah, when you get calories involved. Now you're messing with my heart.

[Ronnie Caram]

You know what I mean?

[Ben Mandelker]

You can bring me dick, I can get dick anywhere for free, but you bring me, like, something on a really nice home toasted bun. Like you're just messing with me at that point. You're telling me you want me to have your children.

[Ronnie Caram]

Something fishy is going on. And that is the fourth F. So Brad's like, don't worry, I'm here for you. So now it's time. Like the. It's like, it's. Guess what? Like the. The club is open for business. Get your Tommy Bahama cargo shorts in here and get in that booth because Tonight we are celebrating your retirement. Okay?

[Ben Mandelker]

So I thought it was funny, the Zach Stacks thing. And this has always struck me as funny because ever since reading that, like, dress code, I thought any anywhere that they own has a dress code. Look how the people in here dress. It's like a bunch of west hats and like dirty, unwashed people. So where's the dress code? Come in.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, like, what's going on? What's the matter? What's happening?

[Ben Mandelker]

Also, they always bring those signs. They carry them to every table. I guess if you buy a table, you get one of those signs, which we find out when he sold to those older ladies last week. He's like, yeah, you go to the table and then you get sparklers and you get a sign. They're like, oh my God, sign me up. Sparklers. So everyone gets a sign. So doesn't that make it less special when everybody has a sign? And it's like when you go to one of those restaurants and for birthdays they do like a huge thing where they come out with sparklers and they're like, happy, happy, happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. It's like the whole staff. But then there's like seven birthdays in there in one night and you're like the seventh and you're just embarrassed. It's like, oh, my God, everyone's sick of this song. Everyone's already seen this dance. My birthday is so basic and unique, you know?

[Ronnie Caram]

Or you could think of it as that you're in the cool club that you get the happy birthday song and you're not one of those tables that gets no singing.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, well, that's a nice way. Thank you for saving my birthday four years ago. That really sucked.

[Ronnie Caram]

There's no reason to spiral, okay? Like, you're part of an exclusive club of people who pay to have other people sing to them.

[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Caram]

The next morning and Michaels is strolling down the street and he's going to Lamar Sporting Club for a photo shoot because he is going to be on the COVID of so gay virtual magazine. And Alex is there. He's the editor in chief of this Peabody Award winning outlet. And Alex is telling Michaels, he's like, nice to meet you, we're gonna get you. He's basically like, we're gonna, we're gonna do a photo shoot for you. He's like, I'm excited. He's like, I was recently asked to do a cover shoot for a virtual magazine. And like, of course I said yes. And they like have like more than like a million subscribers. So like, hopefully I get more modeling deals out of it. Like we, I don't know, I'm nervous and I'm like, I mean, famously so. Gay magazine is a pipeline to like, you know, Dior and Versace. So like, fingers crossed because I think this could turn into something big for him.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I'm looking at it right now. There is a, on the COVID is a guy doing this with his face. He's like got his hand on his face and his finger right under his nose. Like he's gonna pick his nose with his knuckles. There's a drag queen with a tan line or maybe it's a shining light and then Meredith Marks and, like, a tutu top.

[Ronnie Caram]

So they are doing something right. Looks big to me. Okay, I take it all back. Oh, Rodrigo is in there. Rodrigo from Southern Charm is in there.

[Ben Mandelker]

There it is. You're basically. Yeah, you're basically W magazine. Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

This is like Women's Wear Daily, essentially.

[Ben Mandelker]

And I have to say, it's not just so gay, because that sounds like what? It's so dot gay.

[Ronnie Caram]

Which I really thought. Yeah. It is actually a very gay website as I'm going through it. But, you know, it's nice.

[Ben Mandelker]

Of course it is. Yeah. It looks good to me, actually.

[Ronnie Caram]

It is really good because I've seen some of the gay magazines online, and this one actually has their shit together, so good job. So gay. You did it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Good job. Sadakay. You're sad.

[Ronnie Caram]

Okay. I'm so dark.

[Ben Mandelker]

So they're gonna get him in makeup and all that stuff, and he's super excited. And so he's talk. Talking to Michaels, is now talking to his team at Lamar's, and we see Corey, talent manager, and Michaels is like, oh, my God, I have to call my mom and, like, tell her about this. He's like, oh, my God, you haven't told your mom you're on soda? Gay.

[Ronnie Caram]

Wait, is this about gays who like soda? No, it's so dot gay. Oh. Oh, sorry. Well, I texted her yesterday. I told her I have to surprise. I have a surprise for her over FaceTime. And he's like, oh, my God. Do you think she's gonna frame the COVID Yes.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's a digital magazine. What is she going to frame a website?

[Ronnie Caram]

And by all. By everything, it sounds like, I'm sure. Yes. She can't wait to put a big poster up of her of her son on something that says, so gay. So she's like, oh, she better and put in the living room. I barely had a relationship with my mom for the past five years. And, like, with things like I was saying on the show, things got even worse. But, like, I've actually made some progress with her since last summer. And, like, I think her. See here, her hearing my side of things on national TV was, like, hard, but, like, kind of motivated her to try a little harder with me. And so, like, she comes in Charleston from time to time, and she'll surprise me and take me out to dinner, and I'll, like. I'll tell her about, like, how TJ has, like, a really nice ass and things like that. And, like, I'm just hoping this is something my mom will see and Be like, you're really doing something for yourself.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, it's nice to see that talking about your parents on TV actually can help a relationship, because that's good. Because we always wonder on these shows, like, is this helping? But it helped because he talked, and she actually started making an effort and giving him money. So here I'm gonna start talking about my parents again. I'm back.

[Ronnie Caram]

So he's doing photos. He does those photos, and he tries on different outfits. Then he's gonna. Now he decides he's gonna FaceTime his mom. So he tries to call her, but she, like, won't answer at all. And finally, he gets, like, on the phone with her, and he's like, hi, I'm trying to FaceTime. Do you fight FaceTime to show you something? Like, come on. Like, do you want. Fine. Okay, fine. I'll just see you when you come. Any bass is like, yeah, she does not want to be. She doesn't want to be on this show right now. Doesn't want to FaceTime.

[Ben Mandelker]

And so, yeah, but, you know, this is also. She doesn't want to be on tv. And he says that in his next. He's like, you know, I feel like I'm being rejected as. You know, I feel like being a little kid because I'm just being disappointed by my mom again. And I think it's because she doesn't want to be on camera because she knows I'm filming. But still, it sucks, because this is her opportunity to show the world that she's supportive of her son. And maybe that's selfish, but, you know, I want to make my mom. Yeah, but your mom doesn't want to shoot on the show. Like, you know, I don't have makeup on. You got to warn me about this.

[Ronnie Caram]

She's like. She's like, I just woke up.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, you know, you never know. She's like, I'm on my second box of Franzia, and, you know, like, I've got Benson and Hedges crumbs on my face. Like, what? What do you want? You know, that being to surprise somebody for tv. Like, you've been in hair and makeup. What'd she have?

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, but then again, he also did say, I'm going to call you tomorrow because I've got a surprise for you. It's kind of like his way of saying, be TV ready when I call. And, like, yes, I do agree. Sometimes you just don't want to be on TV. You're, like, work. I'm like, I can't. I can't be on TV right now. But that being said, I'm not going to give the mom any benefit of the doubts because everything he said about her last season and how cruel she was to him, I'm like, ma', am, get on that FaceTime and support your son and do it right now.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, that's true. It's not every day on so Dot Gay.

[Ronnie Caram]

We've never.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I'm just thinking, I'm just thinking of it from the, from the, like, I don't want to be on TV right now and you can't force me kind of a thing. But yeah, I agree with what you're saying she should.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, there's something about a 22 year old complaining about like, whenever we see like any 22 year old complaining about how, like, you know, their boss or their parents or so and so is just treating them so badly, I think our gut reactions be like, well, listen, you're 22 and the rest of us are living a life, okay? Like the world does not revolve around you. So like our gut reaction is to be like, come on, get over it. But then when you really think about it, it's like, oh, she was pretty terrible to him. She, like, was not talking to him. So I think she should get on her FaceTime and support her.

[Ben Mandelker]

So true. I just don't have enough distance from the past few episodes where Michaels has pissed me off like ch in a random screaming in their faces. So I'm kind of team Mom.

[Ronnie Caram]

It is hard to hear him feel. Talk about feeling rejected and like getting a cold shoulder when he literally was just doing all the same things to Lake last episode until she like, broke down and cried and like, was at like a total point of misery.

[Ben Mandelker]

So.

[Ronnie Caram]

I agree it is. It is difficult coming off the heels of that episode.

[Ben Mandelker]

But yeah, overall I think you're right that I'm a bitter and that she should make an effort because, you know, you're still his mom.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. Yeah. You should be there for your child when they're doing something really cool.

[Ben Mandelker]

So thanks for calling me a bitter bitch.

[Ronnie Caram]

Isn't that a compliment? At this point? I'd love to be called a bitter. That's why. That's why. That's why we're. That's why I've never been on so Gay because you have to either be like a young muscle clad hot guy or an old bitter.

[Ben Mandelker]

I was wondering when you were gonna complain, when you were gonna turn this into a formal complaint against so.gay for not having you on.

[Ronnie Caram]

How could you not Put us up there next to Meredith Marks.

[Ben Mandelker]

I knew it was coming. So now we go to cameo facial aesthetics, and they have to do it in a minute and a half, but you get, like, $75, so that's great. So it's TJ and Joe, and TJ's like, hello, two for Botox and facial scanning. Facial scanning is the most horrifying thing I've ever seen. Have you ever had your face scanned?

[Ronnie Caram]

No, but I really want it scanned now. I want to see what my skin age is. They're like, welcome, welcome. Welcome to the clinic. Elaine Stritch, your age. Is Elaine Stritch age your skin. You have Elaine Stritch's skin.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Carol Burnett, I love you. So they go in, they get well first, they make small talk. You know, Joe says, it's been a really rough week. He's like, yeah, it's been, like, really hard dating a sober girl. Like, I feel like even though I went to one bar, she, like, views it as me going on some, like, giant bender. Joe, you're going out and you're partying, and you're getting no life, and then you're complaining that you have no life, and then you're lying about it, and she's telling you, if you want to have a life, you need to get more serious. Okay?

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's not the time to get defensive about your damn drink. If you didn't have a drinking problem, then someone saying, could you drink less wouldn't offend you so much.

[Ronnie Caram]

Right? You know, I mean, you were way more sober than me when I saw you on Saturday, so, like, you shouldn't beat yourself up about it, because I feel like I've seen you change a lot. Okay? Tj, the enabler. TJ just wants Joe on his side to hawk more ser. Wieners dogs. So this lady comes in. Her name is Katie. She's like, hi, guys. You guys want to see your skin analysis? Okay. All right, so, tj, you're gonna get in the machine, and we're gonna see how old your skin is. Let's see what sort of man you can still get.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay. Okay, on this side is tj, and on this side is the old lady from Titanic who still had the jewels from the bottom of the ocean. He's like, what the fuck?

[Ronnie Caram]

Okay, so this is a California raisin, but it's also you. Have you thought about.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, here's tj, and here's a raisin singing around a cereal bowl. Okay? So it tells me, like, your real age. On the left hand Side and shows your face and then on the right hand side, it's like your. Your skin age. And it's like 97. It's like what? It like points out all the skin damage and shit that you've got on your face. This thing was just horrifying. I mean, there's one thing I hate and that is truth. That is like truth in technology.

[Ronnie Caram]

Have you taken that machine? Have you done that machine? Because I would love to do it.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know when I'm going in for Botox tomorrow and I'm going to ask her if she has that face scanner because now I want it. I want to see how old my skin is.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, I'm going to be shameless. And I'm going to say, if there are any dermatologists in the LA area that are willing to give me this test for free, I'm not going to pay for it. Hit me up, because I want to see my skin age now. I also know it's a con because what they do is they know the person who's going to be most insecure about it. It's going to be the gay. So if you have a gay and a straight, they have the straight person have like a really young skin age. That way the gay feels paranoid. Like, what? It's not fair. Like, I work so hard at this. I gotta do. I gotta go harder, I gotta go harder. I gotta be like the straight guys. And I think that's how they get him. That's how they get TJ to have more appointments. Because basically TJ's. TJ is 34, but his skin age is like 32. And it's like, oh, I did really well. But then Joe's 29 and his skin age is 24.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like, oh, I thought TJ's. Oh, I thought TJ's was like, no, no. The result screen says age 34. So he's older than his regular age.

[Ronnie Caram]

No, TJ is 34.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, so then I think it's the same age.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh. Ooh, how embarrassing.

[Ben Mandelker]

Maybe. I think so.

[Ronnie Caram]

Your skin is the same age as you, tj.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then it's then, then they show him old. They show what he'll look like older. And he's like, oh, my God, dude, you're a gil.

[Ronnie Caram]

He's like, oh, my God, they age him.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm scared enough to be 34. I'm not a twink anymore. I'm not a twink. Look, think of it this way. You're always a twink to someone who's 20 year olds older than you. Like, I met TJ and I was like, twink. That's a twink. So just always hang out with older people. That's why we have a friend in my group named Michael. And he's older than us, and God bless it, he's the one friend I will never lose. Like, no matter what, no matter what he does to me, I'll always keep him because he's like my older friend, you know? And I can always feel twinkish.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's like, hello, this is the editor in chief of Sogay magazine. I'm looking for tj. Wait, hold on one second. His skin age is what? I'm sorry, wrong number.

[Ben Mandelker]

TJ. You came in as TJ and you're leaving as Ellen DeGeneres, so sorry.

[Ronnie Caram]

some point, you go from being just TJ to Trader Joe's, so. Yeah, but then. So TJ is like, not happy about this visualization. And then Joe does it, and it's like, oh, Joe, you are 24. And let's see you aging. Huh? Is this thing working? It says you're 78, but your face looks exactly the same. DJs like, why? Why? Why does he get all the luck?

[Ben Mandelker]

Why? Yeah, Joe's results are age 29 skin age 24. And he's like, oh, yeah, look, I told you, skincare is. You don't need it. Like, it's not that important. Italian skin, it's all about the olive oil. How old is my bump it. Could you scan my bump it.

[Ronnie Caram]

The only skincare I do is rubbing Nana's chicken parm all over my face.

[Ben Mandelker]

So now they go to another room for Botox, and they're talking about Maddie and, like, why is she suddenly triggered? And Joe's like, I mean, it's, like, so weird because, like, we're so in love, and there's, like, butterflies and rainbows, and then the stuff like that triggers her, and then she sees, like, red sometimes. It's like, did she have trust issues? Like, after we lied to her about her boyfriend cheating on her when he wasn't really cheating on her? It's crazy. Where would she get trust issues from?

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, I don't understand why this is happening. I honestly feel like you haven't given her any reason not to trust you, except that you're in on a part of a giant conspiracy to say that her boyfriend cheated people. And also, you just.

[Ben Mandelker]

This was literally crazy. Until it's like, surely she would. She knows I wouldn't cross any boundaries. I can't get hard when I'm drunk.

[Ronnie Caram]

I feel like you're finally at a healthy point where you're also working on yourself internally. Obviously, you don't have to do it externally because you got 24 age skin. Skin care. You know what I'm trying to say? I'm so. I'm so. I'm so flustered by your good skin that I can't even say it properly. Your skin is 24 years old. Anyway, like, you're not drinking the way I used to. So, like, you're great. I mean, only four drinks between 11pm and 1am like, that's pretty chill.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's like, yeah, thanks. I used to be a drunk. Well, maybe I'm still a drunk. I don't know. I gotta think about it. He's like, no, no, Joe, you're really not the same person you were a year ago. That was way worse.

[Ronnie Caram]

Look, your. Your bump is drinking a mocktail right now. Oh, yeah, it is.

[Ben Mandelker]

You've actually grown another personality on the top of your head, you know, and it's cute seeing you with a child. It's a bump it. But still.

[Ronnie Caram]

Would you mind if I put some googly eyes on your bump it and I can call it Sal. Okay. Hey, Sal, what's going on?

[Ben Mandelker]

Wait a minute. It would have been better to have eyes on the back of my head, because now bump, it's just seeing the same thing I see. It's like, not really helping me back up in traffic or anything.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, you know, it doesn't actually have the camera back there. You can't actually see through the googly eyes. You can. Then why even put them on?

[Ben Mandelker]

What's the point?

[Ronnie Caram]

Because it's cute, Joe. Sal, he doesn't get it.

[Ben Mandelker]

So he says that, you know, he thinks of partying. Like, I'm a sales guy, so, you know, like, he goes to talk to people who are drinking, and he's like, hey, you can come drink at my place, you know? And then, like, it loosens me up to have a couple of drinks. But then Maddie yells at me, and I feel so attacked.

[Ronnie Caram]

So Joe's like, I mean, I don't want to be like a prima donna, but it's like my birthday week, and, like, I'm already stressed out. And, like, this event has to go really well. I need to sell, like, 300 more tickets in order to, like, make a profit off this party. It's like, a lot. I feel so emo about it. Get it? So then we go to Zachary. Zachary, it's time to go To Zach Sachs and Lake. And Lake and Molly are meeting up at Zach Sachs because Lake is going to be spearheading, like, a paint and sit party at Zach Zacks because it's a colorful place.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Like, I really want to. I really want to bring some youthful energy to Sock Stacks. Put, like, in charge. So Lake meets Molly and Molly. Okay, here's the thing about Molly. I have to say this. It's been bugging me ever since Molly came on the show. I'm like, you know, Molly's likable. I like Molly. I think Molly's cute. I think Molly's personality is funny. I think she's tried. She tries some hard, sometimes too hard to get into storylines. I mean, look, no one's perfect. But all in all, I like Molly. So what is the thing I have against Molly? Because every time I see her, I'm like, no. Like, there's something in me that's like a stop sign goes up for her.

[Ronnie Caram]

I already know what you're gonna say.

[Ben Mandelker]

You do? What is it?

[Ronnie Caram]

She looks too much like Katy Perry for you?

[Ben Mandelker]

No. You know who she looks like? Nancy Grace.

[Ronnie Caram]

Sorry. So continue. Is that what it was that you

[Ben Mandelker]

realized she looks like a young. I mean, Nancy Grace is probably 60, but she looks like a young version of Nanc Grace. Who's the worst? She's a monster. Okay, let me look at Nancy Grace.

[Ronnie Caram]

Either way, I knew what was. I knew. The issue was that you suddenly realized that she looked like someone that was triggering for you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes, she looks like Nancy Grace. And I can't get over. I'm gonna put her on the screen here so that people can see this, because tell me that this is not Nancy Grace. Share screen window did you or did you not kill your wife? I know you did. I know you did, because you are the type. He's a murderer. He's a murderer. And she gets somebody, like, thrown in prison. And then you find out, no, he wasn't even there. He was, like, in a totally different neighborhood. And she never says she's sorry. Now look at Nancy Grace. Look at her. That is Molly. I'm not coming to Zach's. Dax. Nancy Grace. Okay, I know all of your traits.

[Ronnie Caram]

Future. I really feel like Molly looks like Katy Perry, which I think is a lateral move for most people with Nancy Grace. So my issue with Molly is I don't really understand where she stands with people. So I thought she and Lake were good. I thought they were friends. But then they were fighting at the end of the episode in a way that I Didn't that seemed like. That they were enemies? So like, I just don't get where Molly fits in relationship wise with everyone. But I like her in theory.

[Ben Mandelker]

Molly is just too eager to be on tv. So she's ready to start a fight with anybody, no matter who it is, over anything. So you just give her like a prompt. You can be like, hey, coasters. And she'll be like, oh, really? You're not going to use a coaster on my table. I paid a lot of money for that table. Like she'll start a fight over anything, you know?

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Cork.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, really?

[Ben Mandelker]

Put a cork in it. No one needs to hear about it missing. It's like. Okay. You know, it's like improv fighting sometimes with her, I think.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. So Lake is saying how she's going to have. She's doing a paint and sip. She's gonna call it Sip Happens, you know, and because Leva approached her and Levo is like, Zack Stacks is our newest place on King Street. It's like right next to Republic. The place is like very light, it's very airy, it's very Charleston. Are we to assume bourbon and bubbles. Did that, did that end? Because that was what that was next to Republic. Is it over? Is the bourbon and bubble zero over for us?

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't think so. Do you want to look it up and see if it's still.

[Ronnie Caram]

Look it up. I'm gonna look it up. Bourbon, bubbles and bubbles. Carolina bourbon and bubbles.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's still open? It's open. It's open right now. Right this second. But you know, she came out with a new business, so she's just gonna try and publicize the new business. So she's like, yeah, Zach Stacks. Like, we really need to get people in here. So you know what, you should have something called, yeah, Sips Happens. I like that because Sip Happen sounds like happens. And everybody wants their business associated with shit. Okay, great idea. Put it on the books.

[Ronnie Caram]

You know, at the end of the day, you get nothing for nothing, which is what the Republic experience is all about. And you know, hospitality is moving towards experiences. And the paint and sip is a wonderful thing for Zach Dax. You know, just slow down, put your phone down, you know, and just like have like a good Zach Dax paint and sip moment. Right?

[Ben Mandelker]

Zach Stacks. So Molly and like, are talking about their event and like, yeah, I'm like trying to incorporate my studio art degree into business. Cuz, you know, like, working the door at Republic isn't really art. I mean, I guess it is kind of an Art. But, like, my parents didn't pay for me to go to college to do that, so now I'm doing, like, events as actax.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, they're going to love this. I guarantee. Your parents also did not pay for an art degree, so that way you could watch other people do elementary painting in the context of 12 swirling daiquiri machines.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Zack stacks.

[Ronnie Caram]

Zack socks.

[Ben Mandelker]

So they're sitting there, and then a baby starts crying and, like, goes, oh, period. She's just gonna keep saying period today. Period.

[Ronnie Caram]

Either she's saying period or the dictation on our notes was very literal.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, no, she did.

[Ronnie Caram]

She said. Did she go period? Yeah, she did.

[Ben Mandelker]

Because I laughed at it.

[Ronnie Caram]

She's like, oh, okay, period.

[Ben Mandelker]

Which I thought was funny because it means either, like, period, like, she's been saying it, or it means like, please, God, give me my period. You know, because you hear a baby crying anywhere else, and you're like, oh, God, please don't let that be me.

[Ronnie Caram]

That's me at a disto. Remember, guys? And Molly goes, speaking of, I walked into the apartment the other night, and Jordan was tweaking about something I didn't know about. Justin and Mia hooked up, and Lake goes, girl, you knew they made out. She goes, no, I didn't. I have absolutely no recollection of Justin and Mia making out. And then we see that when they did kiss on that trip, Molly was in bed and she was the only one asleep.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, she's probably sleeping. To Nancy Grace on Fox News. And so we come back to present, and, like, it's like, yeah, well, I told Jordan, and, like, I do get why she's upset about it. It's like, with me, but, like, with everybody, though. And we see two days earlier, Lake and Jordan are talking under the tree, and Jordan's crying and likes, hugging her. And Jordan's like, I just thought for a second it might be the real thing. It might be the real thing. What would make you think that this guy all been this. We've all been in this situation where it's like, oh, he's saying that he doesn't want to be with me, but he's, like, with me every day. And he's, like, asking me to feed him. I mean, he's basically my husband. I've been in that position, but I'm just like, oh, God, Ronnie, stop crying under trees. He doesn't.

[Ronnie Caram]

Like, you stop crying into trees. Wow, That's. That. If that's not an Adele song, I don't know what is. It's like, she went from chasing pavements to crying under a tree. So let's go back to Zach's present tense. So Lake is like, no one considered her feelings. So it was like my place to be someone that she could confide in. So I was that friend to her. And she goes, cuz, like, I'm an empath. And so Molly's like, and you don't think I was a good friend to her? She was like, well, I told her you were there and saw the kiss. Because I literally was not even. I was asleep. They literally cut away to me.

[Ben Mandelker]

Remember?

[Ronnie Caram]

They. They showed me sleeping. She goes, well, you're still involved in it because you're friends with Mia. Like what. What you can do is say, mia, I don't think you should be going for Justin. She goes, well, I don't think that you should be telling me what to do with my friend.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, like, I mean, you're going. You're going and giving Jordan false information, first of all. And then you're going and talking about a group trip that she's not involved in. This girl knows this man's a cheater. He's always cheating on him. Like, the best thing you can do is tell her, stay away from douchebags. You know?

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, that's what. That's what Lake should be doing. But. But Molly's the one who actually has the issue. Because Molly's like, my roommate's freaking out because they hooked up. That's like, not right. But then when we find out later, well, there's a little bit of a twist to this. A stupid, stupid twist that makes this whole fight beyond stupid. But we'll get to that.

[Ben Mandelker]

We'll get to it.

[Ronnie Caram]

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[Ronnie Caram]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ben Mandelker]

So Julia meets with Maddie. Julia is the sponsor, my favorite sponsor in life. Like, seriously, if every sponsor could be like this, I' actually get one. Because I love Julia. I want to hang out with her. So Maddie's like, yeah, like, I literally come here to this lake, like, three times a week. Like, you know what I always say? Like, a body of water decreases anxiety by, like, 70%. I mean, except for the whole, like, drowning or, like, you know, flooding, you know, that's another one. God. I guess water is kind of stressful. Where are we? By the water?

[Ronnie Caram]

No, I mean, it's true. Like, when Titanic happened, like, it was a huge tragedy, but no one was anxious. It was great.

[Ben Mandelker]

Why are you bringing up my aging picture again? Why are you bringing up my skin age again?

[Ronnie Caram]

Alrighty. Tj, this just in. You are not the old lady from Titanic. Oh, thank God. But you are giving Kathy Bates. Oh, no. Oh, no.

[Ben Mandelker]

I would much rather Kathy Bates. What a hottie. So Maddie, they're talking, you know, and she's like, do you want to try this, Julia? And Julia tried this, and she go, that's sweet. Just. Yeah, it's pineapple. It's good for the cooch. Okay. And she's like, oh, okay. Tell me why you brought me here. Please don't make me take another sip of that, please. My cooch is fine, thank you. Thank.

[Ronnie Caram]

I'm really unhappy around this body of water right now. Something's wrong. Well, I'm really struggling with Joe, and I feel like I'm enabling him. And I just, like, I've been advocating for him to, like, reel it in if his dream is to have a business, and his bosses want him to reel it in, too. And I've, like, never been. It's never perfectly affected me, like, with him going to bar. But, like, sometimes I do get, like, a little jealous because he can use that thing to, like, cope. And, like, I can't, like, lo fucking L. Julia's like, yeah, I get a little jealous, too, you know, because people have a thing. They can just shut it off. Like, wouldn't that be nice? Maddie's like, yeah, there's a misconception that because you're a sober person, that your feelings are, like, on lock. But, like, if anything, you feel everything, every single thing. And there's, like, a misunderstanding that you have, like, more patience when you're sober, but, like, you actually run out of patience, like, really quickly because especially when people are like, like, drunk. I was like, you know, I believe that 100. I'm not sober, but on those nights when I'm not drinking and I'm at a bar, I'm like, these people are the worst. Get me out of here.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes. Yeah. And it's an interesting point she brings up because so many times when you're, you know, addicted to something, you think, God, my life is so miserable right now. Like, if I could just quit, like, I'm a mess. If I could quit drinking, I wouldn't be a drunk mess. But then you do quit drinking, and you're like, oh, I was drinking to medicate myself being a mess. So then you have to learn to deal with all that shit in a different way. And it's.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's rough. Yeah, it was an interesting point. I never really thought of it. Like, oh, I'm so jealous of those people because they have. They get to lean on something to cope, and we just have to sit with our feelings. I thought that was really, really fascinating. So Maddie's saying that she's feeling triggered, you know, because Joe will bring up marriage and everything. But she's, like, scared, and she's. She's like. She's worried that she's not gonna be able to break a generational chain, you know, like, whatever. And she says her family's not perfect, etc, and she says how her parents had her really young, and they were still partying and having fun when she was a kid. And she's like, like, oh, cool, so I should party too. And then that's when she started early, and she just doesn't. She's just, like, afraid of what example she may set for children.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. When you're with a family who drinks, My family drinks. Like, they drink drink. I mean, they'll have a few drinks a night, and that's just normal, you know? And so they can do that. I can't. I'm just not like that. You know, it's. And it's hard. And then when you don't drink, they're like, why aren't you drinking? Are you sure? Do you need a drink? Are you sure you can have a drink? You can just have a little bit of a drink. Why Can't I have a drink? Are you sure you don't want. Just a little. All right. Mix some. Mix some vodka into a cereal. He's got to have something. It's like, why are you worried? You're acting like you're more worried about me not drinking than you ever were when I was like, a fucking mess falling all over. Over the floor, you know?

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Julia just basically gives her some advice, and she's like. She's like, look, we all struggle, and I think you should just talk to Joe because we can't hold our dreams and our drink in the same hand. And Maddie's like, I like that. I want to put that on a banner. Can I put that in a PowerPoint? Oh, God, I can't wait to put that in my friendship. PowerPoint for TJ. He can never know.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's. Except, what if I'm holding a drink and in my. In my dream is to be holding a drink, throw that in the same hand. She's like, okay, you know what? Now you're trying to talk yourself out of a banner. Okay, stop trying. Stop trying to talk ourselves out of banners.

[Ronnie Caram]

The drink is rotating. It's rotating. It's rotating. And now there's an ambulance falling out of the drink. Oh, are you incepting yourself? I've incepted myself into my drink dream.

[Ben Mandelker]

You should taste it. I do not want to taste that.

[Ronnie Caram]

Okay, I'm skiing now. Thank you. Oh, my God. I'm skiing now. The ambulance still hasn't hit the water.

[Ben Mandelker]

So now we go to King street for Second Sunday, and me and TJ are setting up a Sir Wieners tent, and it's raining, which sucks. And they tell us that there's, like, this fair on King street the Second Saturday, or second Sunday, rather. And this is where you go to build, like, networking and client support. So it's, like, really important in the neighborhood to give wieners to everybody who passes. So they're having, like, a little group day selling some wieners, which is cute.

[Ronnie Caram]

There. There should just be a banner somewhere that says, how much do you want to be famous? Because it's downpouring. But every now and then, someone comes, like, running up to the hot dog stand, like, forks over some money, grabs a hot dog, and runs away. It's like, okay, I got on tv. I think, okay, it's like, it's raining really hard. But I do want to be famous. Should I do it? Do it? You could do it. You could do it. You could do it. But it's raining so hard. No, do it. Get the hot dog. Get the hot dog. You'll be on tv. Okay, I'm going in, guys.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I mean, I was like, come on, guys. Come on. Guys. Support black businesses. And they're like, mia, Jesus. And she goes, no, because, like, TJ's small, Brad is black, and I'm business.

[Ronnie Caram]

Maddie, meanwhile, is like, they're like, setting up in Republic, like, her DJ table inside. And Lake is trying to rally the troops for the paint sip later. And Emmy's like, I love our art. I almost went to High Point University for interior design because I love art so much. Because really, like the military. She goes, no, that's not a military school. She goes, oh, that's West Point.

[Ben Mandelker]

So she's like, yeah, I mean, I love art. Is me invited? Like, is Mia gonna be coming to this thing too? Like, is it, like, me or is it like, Mia, like, who's coming to the thing? And so we hear, and Blake's like, well, maybe Molly invited her, but I didn't. She's like, well, I mean, those of us without fake ass titties over here and know where we stand, and, like, we'll be there because I'm gonna go do a lobby lobby now. Bye. And this begins the group shaming of Mia's boobs. Which is super weird to me. Like, maybe it's because I live in LA and that they hand you those things when you get your driver's license, but. But what the hell? Why? Why is that cool to be coming for somebody's boobs?

[Ronnie Caram]

Cuz her boob is a big thing of it. The reason why they found out that she went on a date with Justin is because he took a picture of his lamb chops at a steakhouse that happens to be Mia's favorite steakhouse. And then her. Her breast is like, sort of in the image, and they're like, that's Mia's boob. In fact, we see the picture right now, and they're like, those are Mia's fake titties. And Amanda's like, oh, my God, Lo. So Lake is like, yeah, that's Mia Cities. And this is Mia split ends. And yeah, that's gone.

[Ben Mandelker]

That was funny. I don't love the titty shaming. The split end shaming is pretty funny, though.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's fun.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, that's her favorite restaurant, Malagon. Oh, wow. So you guys are telling me that Justin purposely put up an Instagram where he would know that everybody would figure it out and then he could break up with Jordan without actually telling her anything and having to be an actual man about it. What a shocker. You never see, like, that on Bravo. That's crazy.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. And even if they couldn't figure out that it was Mia, like, he knows there's a boob in the picture and he knows Jordan will see it. So yeah, this guy's just a. So Bella is like. Bella, not to be confused with Ella. Bella is like, they went on an actual date. And Lake's like, yeah, silicone's going to her head. So meanwhile, outside in the rainstorm, Michael asks Justin and Mia, how was your day?

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, what day? One day. What do you guys. What are you guys talking about? We didn't go on a day. What are you talking about? And Michael's like, oh, Malagon. Like, I've seen the screenshots. Like, who's lying? Because, like, I saw the screenshots. And then we see the screenshots again. And Brad's saying, yeah, I mean, I saw the post and I thought, that's weird. It looks like Mia. And she just like, I was scrolling Instagram and I saw Justin's story and I saw two wine glasses. And then I looked even closer and I was like, wait, that's Malagon. That's Mia's favorite restaurant. Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

She said was like, malagon, Malagon, Malagon. So Brad is like, yeah, I checked Mia's location and she's at the same restaurant that Justin tagged her at.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

And then I put two and two together. I mean, she's at. She's at Malagon and Justin taking a photo at Malagon and Malagon's her favorite restaurant. She, like, literally walked in today with a T shirt that said, I ate at Malagon last night. So, like, we kind of figured it out.

[Ben Mandelker]

So they both put it on their Instagrams so that everybody would figure it out and they. Look, I get that Justin's a piece of shit, but why would Mia do that? I mean, I guess she didn't put

[Ronnie Caram]

it on her Instagram. She just had her location on and they could see that she was at.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, she didn't, like, tag her location. She didn't, like, tag herself and be like, look at me, I'm at Malagon.

[Ronnie Caram]

Right.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay. She just neverminded. Okay, thank you. Thank you. Before, I had a 10 minute rant about it. Thank you. I'm backing away now.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, it's a Michelin star awarded market on Taqueria. So, like, who wouldn't love it?

[Ben Mandelker]

But it's. It Won a Malagon star.

[Ronnie Caram]

So it's a pretty, pretty big place. Malagon girl. It's a great movie. So, yeah, they're like, whoops. Justin's like, well, you know what? A few days ago, I woke up and I just said it. I want a date with Mia. And Mia's more like, you said it. I want a storyline. So Mia's like. And I said, sure, why not Give the guy a chance, right? He's like, yeah. And it was amazing. Yeah, we had a beautiful dinner. And Justin goes, we went out. And then, you know, gets blurry after that. I was intending to take a picture of my fantastic lamb chops to crop Mia's face out, but in doing so, caught her double D's in the frame as well.

[Ben Mandelker]

Mia's like, how'd they even know it was my boobs? Like, what? So now we go back to the second Sunday thing. And Justin's like, yeah, that lamb was fantastic. That's all I'll say. Oh, that lamb.

[Ronnie Caram]

So Maddie is like, mia told Jordan she wasn't interested in Justin so much for being a girl's girl and for women. So. But, like, normally I would get that. But, like, Mia is not friends with Jordan at all. It's just someone that she knows. Like, she owes Jordan literally nothing. Like, the issue should be more like, Mia should have higher standards than Justin.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, but she knows what Justin's doing, and she knows that Justin is torturing this girl. And she knows that this girl is crying over it and that it's a big thing. And so I get her. I mean, I get the thing. Like, just because someone I don't really know, like, she knows that it's causing a problem. And I don't know, now she knows that Justin's purposely posting stuff to with this girl. And then the attitude she has towards the girl is so rude. I'm just not really getting what the hatred for Jordan is. You know, I get that she's like, that's not my friend and my responsibility. But I think, like, anyone with any kind of sensitivity would be like, hey, Jordan, I know you. I know we don't know each other that well, and you like this guy. I kind of like him and he's asking me out. But, you know, I just wanted to come to you woman to woman, because Jordan would have probably been like, well, what can I do? Go, go ahead. Well, even if she doesn't do that, she seems to be coming at her in kind of a. I don't know, pretty harsh. Yeah, she seems to be pretty Harsh with her.

[Ronnie Caram]

It is harsh. But I also think that she's like. She initially said that she's like, well, I didn't pursue it because I knew, like, he's just playing games, whatever. And I think that she's just, like, horny and she misses Troy. And she's probably thinking, like, this is so annoying, because I feel like everything that I do, like, everything is like, but what about Jordan? What about Jordan? What about Jordan? It's like, you know, enough already. I just don't care anymore. So I definitely get how it reads as not a girl's girl. But I also think that, like, if it's like, someone you just don't even know and you have to tiptoe around this whole situation, it's kind of like. I mean, personally, I would just avoid the whole situation because it sounds like it's full of too much drama. And this guy's obviously a fuckboy, but I think she just wants to get laid.

[Ben Mandelker]

I think she. I think she's just kind of as low as Justin. As far as storyline. It's like, okay, you know, I'm with this hot guy that I really liked. We just went on this romantic vacation together, but he's not going to move here. I'm on a TV show here. They want me to have a boyfriend, so I'm going to dump this guy. And then I'm just going to date this fuck boy who I know is a piece of shit because it's a storyline. And he's like, I'm going to date Mia because she's a main cast member and Jordan is a friend of. So why am I gonna hitch my wagon to a friend of, you know, and now he moved up to someone on Southern Charm, so he's gonna try and get on that one. So I think they're. I think it's kind of grosser because it's like a TV thing, too. So Jordan's thing might be, you know, thinking like that, like, oh, God.

[Ronnie Caram]

Like, well, that being said, Jordan, I don't even love that Jordan looks absolutely, like, devastated and destroyed by this whole situation. So I feel very bad for this girl. So Lake is just doesn't understand why Mia is doing this. So now we see Joe, he's driving his truck, and he's like, hey, person in my phone, call Maddie. Maddie. It's like. And she's like, no. Hello? No. So she doesn't take the call.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's like, okay, sue, call Maddie. It's like, hello, this is the barber shop. He's like, wait, A minute. Sorry, I don't know who Maddie is. Could you be a little more specific?

[Ronnie Caram]

Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm just kidding. Really don't know who she is.

[Ronnie Caram]

Talking about Mad. Mad Dog and Glory. That was such a nice movie. I loved it.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, sue, call Maddie. Okay? Here's her number. So Maddie gets a call and ignores it again. And he keeps trying, and she's like, no, bro. No, bro.

[Ronnie Caram]

Not gonna do it. Let's go to Zack Stacks.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay.

[Ronnie Caram]

And it's time for the paint and sickness sip. And everyone's arriving, and Molly's like, oh, my God, Lake, are you excited? She's like, I'm a little nervous. Welcome to my world. The high stakes world of throwing small parties at leathers of places.

[Ben Mandelker]

The glamorous world of being art supply, bringing art supplies to Zack Stacks.

[Ronnie Caram]

I know. So Leva's just like. Lake is saying how she's just hoping that she can host more events because it seems like that's all the kids care about on this show. So, like, I just hope I can impress Levos. That way I can do more events at more bars for her. I just want to do more labor for her.

[Ben Mandelker]

And so she's like, leva, thank you so much for this opportunity. Like, I loved being part of this, and love is like, yeah. Like, I feel like there's just, like, so much more room for art and hospitality. So this is, like, great. Like, look, nobody's looking at their phones. It's a big thing for Leva. She's like, wow. Yeah, people need to get off their phones. Is Lamar just on his phone all the time?

[Ronnie Caram]

I'm feeling.

[Ben Mandelker]

I feel like she's projecting.

[Ronnie Caram]

She's probably sad because she's no longer making cookies with little. Because remember, there was that one season where, like, every time you saw her, she was just making cookies with her son. And she was like, I was on his phone. I forgot about cookie time. So she's like, lake did such a great job on short notice, and this is a great event for Zachs because it's a different kind of of space than Republic. It's more basic, which we didn't even think could be possible, but somehow it is. We made a place more basic than Republic, and she's killing it here.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. I will say that the artwork that was being done was pretty good. I was like, wow, they hired a lot. I mean, they brought in a lot of good art ladies who are like, yeah, I'm gonna come to Zach's. Dax, just my Picasso. Like, it was good. Some of this artwork I hope that

[Ronnie Caram]

there was all watercolors because, you know, there is some furniture that has to be cleaned up afterwards. Like, you know that's all these things, right?

[Ben Mandelker]

That's all pleather in there. Yeah. So we see Molly, Maddie and everybody painting at tables. And Jordan's talking to Molly, and Molly's like, oh my God, the vibes. Like, oh my God, the vibes, the vibes, the vibes. And then Mia comes and she's not even wearing pink, guys. And it's a pink party. Mia, you are not a girl's girl, okay? What, did you lose your pink at Malagon?

[Ronnie Caram]

Where's your pink? She goes, well, I just came from something else. Like what? That you came? What? Where'd you come from? Malagon. With Justin and shit. They're like, okay, well go say hi to Jordan. She goes, why? Because she's my friend. Because I'll say it nicely. So Mia turns to Jordan, she goes, hello, Jordan, how are you? Jordan's like, hi, good to see you. And then she turns back. Back. I did.

[Ben Mandelker]

It was like, yeah, that girl should be mad at Justin, not me. I mean, like we sh. A sick. Like we had a funny kiss. Like there's no crazy love affair moment happening. Like, why am I the bad guy? Why me?

[Ronnie Caram]

So Lake brings Jordan over to Maddie's painting table so that way she could be away from Mia. Cuz Maddie's like. And then Molly pulls me aside and Molly's like, girl, I need to talk to you. She goes, okay, then talk to me right now, Sethy. And then they sit to the side and Molly's like, I can't do it anymore, all of this. I mean, she's my roommate, you're my friend. I just don't want it to be weird. She goes, she's making it weird. We're not even friends. But like, she's my good friend. Can't you guys, like, talk? Because you both love me. Like you're not important enough on this show to make amends with you. So I'm gonna say no.

[Ben Mandelker]

But this is a funny turn because me as like, but you're the one who said I should try to date him. And she's like, yeah, well, I guess I shouldn't have said that. Then we see a flashback to two weeks earlier of Molly being like, yeah, you should go out with Justin just for fun. And Mia saying, wouldn't Jordan be mad? And Molly's saying, well, I mean. I mean, I wouldn't sleep with him if I were you, but just go out with him. It's gonna be a good time. So, Molly. Yeah. I don't know that you're the one to deliver this message.

[Ronnie Caram]

The issue is that Molly feels guilty because says her friend feels bad, and Molly encouraged Mia to do this, and now she's actually upset at Mia for doing it. It's like, molly, this was your own stupid Jane Austin backfire.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And she says, my intention was to communicate to Jordan that Justin sex. Like, it sounds crazy saying it out loud now, but, like, I just wanted to show her this man is not for you. Because, you know, then he would be sleeping with Mia, and then you could be like, see, Sleeping with Mia, he's not for you. He's not the right guy. Like, what?

[Ronnie Caram]

No, Molly, you can try to do this revisionist history of, like, oh, no, it was just a trap so Jordan could see that he's a fuckboy. No, you were just being messy. And that's all it was. There was no ulterior motive to it.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then we see last night when Molly is talking to Jordan, and she's like, listen, I shouldn't have said that to Mia, and I'm so sorry for my part in that. So at least. Least she admitted it to Jordan, and Jordan saying, okay, I forgive you. We're good. So then Molly's like, but could you have a conversation with her for me, purely because you love me. And also because your car was seen outside Megalodon Steakhouse five minutes after a murder.

[Ronnie Caram]

Megalodon Steakhouse. Now that's fun. You meant Malagon, But I. I think Megalodon.

[Ben Mandelker]

Malagon.

[Ronnie Caram]

Wait, were you at Megalodon or Malagon? They're owned by the same company. When will people realize that?

[Ben Mandelker]

Are you saying Nancy Grace gets things wrong? What are you saying? Don't argue with Nancy Grace.

[Ronnie Caram]

Murdered by a Megalodon,

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay? And Mia's like, oh, my God. Do you see how ridiculous this is? Like, I'm not going to be a martyr, okay? Like, I'm not putting my name out there as if I'm the other woman or whatever. Never. Never. No. No, I'm never gonna do it. No.

[Ronnie Caram]

So then at the table at one of the painting tables, Julia's like, julia, which is Brad's Julia. She is like, so, how's Joe doing, Maddie? And he's like, oh, we got into a fight because he didn't go to work over the weekend. Like, he says Republic is his number one priority, but then he'll, like, leave work. And if he, like, wants to work for Leva as bad as he says, he does. I feel like not showing up to work is, like, not the way to do it.

[Ben Mandelker]

I was like, joe, you need to act older than your face agent.

[Ronnie Caram]

He said, well, I don't want to hear about it anymore because we're going to go have a drink. And I said, who's we? He said, me and Sal. That's what TJ named my bump it. And then they went off. And then I realized his bump, it has googly eyes. I was like, what are you doing, Joe? You're too drunk to even realize you have googly eyes on your bump it now. He said, be quiet. Sal's my best friend. It got real weird after that.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Bella's like, first of all, my name's not Ella, and I would like you to talk to Leva about it. Okay, but just leave out the business side. And she's. Julia's like, yeah, and don't mention the business part of it. Just maybe say, what's the best way to support Joe? And she's like, support Joe in getting a business? Yeah, I will talk to her about that. They're like, oh, Maddie. So she goes to Molly and Mia's table, and Leva's also there, and she asked to speak with Leva. So they sit to the side, and Maddie's like, yeah. So, like, Leva goes, how are you doing? I know when you had a rough night, and, like, it definitely shows.

[Ronnie Caram]

That's always great to see. Yeah. Well, I tried to hold Joe accountable for his behavior over the weekend, but he got pretty defensive. But, like, I really want to ask you, like, what do you think is the best way I can support Joe in overcoming your frustrations with him? Because, like, I know his dream is to have a bar and an empire. You know, love is like. Can we just, like, pause just to laugh about that for one second?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

It is really funny if you think about it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, like, he used to be so consistent, so I'm not, like, not really sure what happened. So, like, yeah, well, I want to take accountability for my part. Like. Like, because I was in the hospital earlier this year, and he was with me for that. She's like, yeah, but, like, I mean, you had some health issues. But then, like, he never got consistent after that. Like, I need him to be consistent, like, physically present, but, like, he'll, like, leave, and then he just, like, doesn't come back. So.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, and he thinks he's, like, networking stupid. Love is like, yeah, it's not, though. That's the narrative in his own brain. And Leva Taps the side of her head to be like, this is where the brain is, by the way.

[Ben Mandelker]

Just.

[Ronnie Caram]

I never know who I'm talking to.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, well, I agree. And I don't think business is happening at a bar at like 2 in the morning. You know, I'm. Love is like, yeah. It's not having in it. It's not happening in an after party. It's not after happening after 2am in a club. Like, bro, if you want to own a bar, you have to be there. Like, look at my ass at 4 at 40, 46, putting my heels on and my hoochie outfit and, like, shuffling my ass to the club because I had have to be there.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. What if a DAC machine breaks at Zack Stacks? That's like a disaster. I have to be here. So, you know, Joe shows up, like, from time to time, but this business is based on reliability, and I need him to rebuild that trust. Because if you are coming in after having a business dinner from working at Gwyn's across across the river, if you don't see Joe every single time you come in here, then what sort of reliability is that?

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, joe does have magic, you know, like, everybody loves him. He's got four eyes now. I mean, that's like a pretty big thing.

[Ronnie Caram]

So he is like such a people person. Yeah. But he gets lost in the sauce. Like, literally. I once got him some takeout, from McDonald's, got him some McNuggets and got him some barbecue sauce and some mustard sauce, and he got very confused.

[Ben Mandelker]

I had never seen somebody swim in honey mustard until that day. And it was sad.

[Ronnie Caram]

It was sad. He just kept on tapping the mustard packet. And I said, what are you doing? He's like, I'm trying to enter in my address. And I said, you're literally getting lost in the sauce.

[Ben Mandelker]

But, like, you're good with boundaries because, like, you're sober and, you know, like, he needs to sense your boundaries. And, like, if he had sensed your boundaries, he'd be opening a club in six months. And then he's like, oh, my God. Love always tells me I have beautiful self control. And I think, like, she wants to see some of that in Joe, but I can control Joe and I can't. You know, I can help guide him and, like, hold him accountable. Like, you know, maybe teach him what the word no means.

[Ronnie Caram]

It means yes. So love it goes. You will get chewed up in this industry. If you feel like you need to go everywhere and be everywhere. It could put you in some seriously bad Situations you don't want to get in bad with big sauce. Okay? That could jeopardize everything he cares about. Don't get lost in it.

[Ben Mandelker]

So now it's nighttime, and Emmy comes in and finds Lake and Jordan, and she's like, I'm here. Like, not even getting T boned could stop me from getting here because, like, I just got hit. Like, I had to call 91 1, and I was, like, hyperventilating. I was like, you know, I'm like, I'm already having, like, a shitty fucking wee. But, like, catch me up. Catch me up on everything. Like, it's super important. I'm, like, here for you. Like, I care about you. I just. Scared. Did Brad say anything about me? Like, seriously, I cannot take it. I cannot take it one more time to. Do not tell me that Brad was here. Zach Z. Calling me a racist.

[Ronnie Caram]

It was, like, a really scary thing. Like, that driver was, like, really aggressive. I mean, like, he was. I mean, he was. I. I felt unsafe on the street. I mean, like, it was a black car.

[Ben Mandelker]

It was a black car. Am I even allowed to say?

[Ronnie Caram]

I mean, like, it was. It was a car of a. It was like a. I don't know what color the car was. I don't see colors on cars. I. I'm just like, am I. Am I okay? Am I still on the show? Am I still allowed to say these things? I got deboned. Did you get it at Malagon? No. What's. What? Why are you asking me that?

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, gosh.

[Ronnie Caram]

But it's crazy. I mean, got into a car accident. It didn't really look like a debone. It looked like a Sideswipe. But either way, she got into a car accident. And Jordan's like, mia won't apologize to me. I'm like, mia. I mean, Jordan, she just got into a car accident. This is the first time Emmy has, like. Like, gain. Like, she has earned her craziness. She has earned her hyperventilation. I think we should let her have her moment of being. Like, I just got T boned.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know, but Emmy's the girl who cried hyperventilation. You know what I mean? Like, she's hyperventilating all the time. So when something real happens, everyone's like, okay, so anyway, yeah, Mia won't apologize. So now Mia tells Lake. She's like, so, what's going on over here? Like, you're avoiding eye contact. Act like I noticed. You do that little thing where you, like, turn your head, and you're turning your head like this. Like, you're turning it like this. Why are you doing that?

[Ronnie Caram]

Huh? Mia, I'm not trying to start anything with you, but, like, you didn't even apologize to Jordan. She gave me as like, apologize for what? It's like, like, you know. And Molly's like, I'm truly trying to figure out where Lake fits in this situation other than being a pastor and starting it. She is being a friend to Jordan, the way you say you're being a friend to Jordan. And also, why are you mad at Lake? Because aren't you?

[Ben Mandelker]

What?

[Ronnie Caram]

Wasn't your whole thing, Molly, that you wanted Mia to make peace with Jordan? You're sort of implying that you're kind of team Jordan on this one. And Lake is standing up for Jordan. Like, why is Molly in a tizzy about this?

[Ben Mandelker]

What I'm saying, Molly's just trying to start a fight with anybody. And now Molly is mad because Lake was kind of. Of telling. She was kind of confronting Molly and being like, you're not being supportive of Jordan. So Molly's coming in defensive with Lake because at the planning party, she was like, but I am being a good friend to Jordan. And she's like, not really. You saw the. You saw. You saw them making out. And she's like, no, I didn't see them making out. So now she's mad at Lake for saying Molly saw them making out when Molly was asleep.

[Ronnie Caram]

Jordan's like, man, they asked me if you apologized to me.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, I said that you didn't.

[Ronnie Caram]

And me's like, for what? She's like, jordan's issue is that she fell for a guy she was hooking up with, and now she doesn't want anything more. Now he doesn't want anything more to do with her. And when people are embarrassed, they're hurt. And when you're hurt, you act out and you attack the person nearest you. Unfortunately for her, the last person she should want to attack is me. By the way, also, I feel like all these girls are, like, 22 years old, and I can't imagine that Mia is like, I can't. I have to imagine that Mia's like, I can't believe I've got to shoot this scene with all these girls who are like, I don't know. I think mia's in her 30s, and she just must be like, why the fuck do I have to justify myself to these.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, oh, yeah, Mia is a full grown woman talking to what she probably considers children who are like me feeling. She's like, you guys have not heard of fuckboys like, I'm not gonna anti you right now. You know what I mean? Like, I do not have time to explain this to you. So Lake is like, yeah, Mia. Mia feels no feelings. Like, she could act like a bitch and then be like, sorry, I'm a. Like, she hasn't cried since, like, 2008. Like, when's the last time you cried?

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, man. How old? Come on. And so then Mia's like, that's. That's the insensitive that I am. You know, that's just who I am. And she says, I don't say things that I don't mean. And he played your ass. And he's a. He is not worth it. I will get another lamb chop from him, though. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, I know he's not worth it. Okay, so, like, it is it. So you can have, like, some sort of qualm with me because, like, I have a. I can have a conversation with another woman and just be me and her. Like, I don't need to have a backup. 1, 2, 3, over here. Like, if you want to have a conversation with me, come to me. And, like, I'm not her backup. I'm just her good friend. Molly's like, smirking. So Mia's like, okay, so do you feel like Molly's a good friend to Jordan Garden? What about that? So she's coming with her big weapons, and like's like, well, I think there were, like, some moments when she was a bad friend.

[Ronnie Caram]

Molly goes, oh. Cause I had one bad moment. I'm like. She literally just said there was moments. She's like, oh. Because I had one bad moment. One moment where I said, Mia should go after the guy that Jordan, my best friend and roommate, is. Is into. Oh, sorry. I guess I'm just a bit. Just because I suggested that someone else should date the guy that my friend is really into. Whoopsie. I'm like, actually, that's kind of a big deal. Yeah. Like, it is one bad moment, but it is a bad moment. Like, and you like, yeah, that was bad.

[Ben Mandelker]

Especially when that's the moment we're talking about right now.

[Ronnie Caram]

You know, that's the crux of this issue.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, what I value in friendships and real people are not characteristics any of you guys have exhibited. Not.

[Ronnie Caram]

Mia's like, whatever. But I think mia's only, like, 29, so she's not in her 30s, but she still is older than these. These girls.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, there's still a big difference between 29 and 22. You know, there's a Huge difference.

[Ronnie Caram]

So Lake is like, Molly wants to be like Mia so bad. It's like, weird. She's like, getting there, though. They both. They're both fake. As I'd rather not surround myself with fake with fake titties. I'm like, have you seen the table you're sitting at? Hey, don't let the breaker to you,

[Ben Mandelker]

but you're on reality television, ma'. Am. You're gonna have to lower your standards a little bit or you're gonna have nobody to talk to.

[Ronnie Caram]

You're friends with a Bella and an Ella, and I would not be surprised if there's an A and an A. We're gonna be working here soon as well.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. But I think she's also upset with Mia because last week at the lake, Mia was like, what's wrong with you? You're like, I'll email. Yeah, what's your problem? You're just, like, crying all the time like a baby. Look at her. She's like, crying like a baby. Everybody. What's wrong with her? So, yeah, I think that over a little bit.

[Ronnie Caram]

But then Molly's like, well, if you feel that way, if you think I'm like, fake, why'd you ask me to help with your event? She goes, I got coerced. And it cuts to Lemon.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Leva's like, buy heart hand. Zack Stack.

[Ronnie Caram]

I love how no one's licking their phones. They're just fighting with each other. Zach Zacks. Zach Zacks.

[Ben Mandelker]

So me is like, that's shitty. And, like, just rolls her eyes. And Molly tells us, yeah, next time you have a paint and sip, you can paint a middle finger. Not.

[Ronnie Caram]

Not her best work, but okay. So then Lake is like, we're not. We were not cool before Molly, and guess what? We're not cool after. See what I did there? Different preposition. So Lake is like, okay, well, we don't have to be cool. Suck it. A sick. Suck it or sick or whatever. She goes, you're the. You're the goodbye. You can leave.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Jordan's just, like, shivering in the corner like, that's why you're a friend of Jordan.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, likes.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, this was your chance, you know, you wanted to have date that man for your chance to be on this show. He didn't work out. This was your chance. Zach's Dax. You blew it, Jordan. Get out. Get out. Shit. I want to take somebody to Malagon now just to piss you off. Jordan, you dropped the bag.

[Ronnie Caram]

You dropped it. You dropped it.

[Ben Mandelker]

What a shame. What a shame. You give a young person an opportunity. What do they do with it?

[Ronnie Caram]

You wasted Zach's Dax.

[Ben Mandelker]

All right, everybody. Thanks so much for being here. Good times. We will talk to you tomorrow with the season finale of Real House Swaps of Beverly Hills and some ladies of London.

[Ronnie Caram]

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