#3321 Ladies of London S4E08: A Weekend in the Country

Summary

Watch What Crappens – Episode #3321 Recap Ladies of London S4E08: “A Weekend in the Country”
April 17, 2026 | Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam

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Episode Overview

Ben and Ronnie recap another rollicking episode of Ladies of London (S4E08), this time as the cast heads to Emma's estate, Longleat, for an opulent (and awkward) country weekend. The episode is packed with snark, class divide, British/American culture clashes, and the simmering feud between Margot and Mark. Amidst zoological splendor, scones, and couture complaints, the group’s humor, warmth, and hostility are skewered with trademark Crappens banter.

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Key Discussion Points & Highlights

1. Opening Banter: Welcome to English Eccentricity

[01:48–03:19]

• Ben and Ronnie bring immediate energy, expressing appreciation for the unique “delight and insanity” of Ladies of London.
  • Ben: “This show is just so divine. I, I am so delighted by the show. I’m so amused. Even before there’s any fighting … this episode … we go to Emma’s country estate … I just don’t feel like we fully grasped how large this place is.” [03:19]
• Ronnie previews his evening reality cruise with Bravo stars, poking fun at the cycle of reality stardom and fandom.

2. Longleat: Beyond Bravo’s Usual Opulence

[03:54–08:53]

• Ben and Ronnie are awestruck by Emma’s estate, calling its scope and historical grandeur something unseen even on Bravo (compared to “The Pentagon” and “Treasury Department”).
  • Ronnie: “It would be like living in ... The Pentagon. Like, I’m gonna live in the Pentagon.” [05:15]
  • Ben: “This degree of wealth ... I just feel like we haven’t even seen [it] on Bravo before ... this show is kind of taking me into a world I was not expecting.” [05:57]
• Both are fascinated and slightly pitying of Emma’s “working aristocrat” energy.
  • Ronnie: “All she does is ... walk around in a uniform and has to work. What the fuck is the point of marrying a rich guy? ... I’ll stick to poor people.” [05:46]

3. Packing Scenes and Road Trip Divides

[06:36–13:18]

• The cast splits into two vehicles: the posher “M” car and a second group. Snipes and humor abound as they discuss what to pack (tassels, thongs).
• Kimmy provides “gas station comedy,” unfazed by English snobbery, and the Americans marvel at the everyday UK.
  • Ben: “I love Kimmy just sitting there getting coffee from the machine. That sad gas station coffee. But she doesn’t care.” [13:00]

4. British vs. American Humor – Mark & Margot’s Feud Spills Over

[13:18–19:56]

• Mark, Lottie, and Micah debate British “banter” vs. American sincerity; Mark complains about Margot’s lack of humor.
  • Mark: “In Britain, we tend not to talk about emotions. ... If you’re going to give it, you have to be able to take it. And I can take it.” [14:27]
• Margot feels ostracized and mocked, but the hosts point out the hypocrisy (she’s also talking about others).
• Lottie tries to explain the culture clash, with American “authenticity” colliding with performative British politeness.
  • Ben: “I just find that the gulf of experiences between something like this [estate] versus Tom Schwartz’s apartment is, like, so amazing.” [09:46]

Notable Quote

• Ben (mocking the British attitude): “Wait till I get to your personality. Then I will destroy you, sweetheart. British humor, Micah. British humor.” [18:50]

5. Arrival at Longleat: Jurassic Park Vibes & English Eccentricity

[26:10–36:31]

• The group arrives, greeted by imposing architecture, animal habitats, and barely contained awe.
  • Ben: “They are acting, by the way, like they’re going to Jurassic Park. They kind of are going to Jurassic Park.” [26:40]
• Monkeys, rhinos, and red pandas draw comparisons between animal antics and houseguest drama.
• Mark jokes about Margot’s “pigeon feather” outfit; Emma’s calm, floaty persona is admired and parodied.

Memorable Moment

• Ronnie (on Emma’s role): “She lives in a castle but has to walk around pleasing people all day. ... It’s like marrying into wealth but then having to become, like, a waiter captain.” [08:53]

6. Cottage Assignments & Social Snubs

[38:41–41:41]

• Guests are sorted into various cottages; Mark is dispatched to a pub down the road (“the Bath Arms”), much to his horror/delight.
  • Emma: “I thought he’d be happier in the pub. Doesn’t need to interact with people for longer than necessary.” [38:41]
• Ronnie and Ben riff on British elite rituals and “JV team” of new money/Americans.

7. Tea Time Etiquette and Margo’s Gaffes

[49:18–57:25]

• The tea party at the orangery devolves as Margot helps herself to food before it’s served – a major faux pas.
  • Ronnie: “It’s literally being at the restaurant and, like, just, like, grabbing something off of the pass and be like, okay, I’ll just take this.” [54:21]
• The cast is mortified but laughs it off behind her back, comparing Margot to the infamous “Sarah eating the bow off of Heather Dubrow’s cake.”

Notable Quote

• Emma: “I didn’t realize that you had invited people to do that.” (deadpanning Margot’s tea party breach) [55:38]

8. Scone Debate & Peanut Butter Sandwich Wars

[56:18–59:36]

• The group debates cream vs. jam order on scones; Ben and Ronnie parlay into an American tangent on peanut butter sandwiches, embracing both cultural contrasts and shared food obsessions.
  • Ben: “It should be a romance. One has one bread, one has another bread, and the two bread bring them together in a meet cute.” [57:15]

9. Mark v. Margot: Final Feud at Tea

[66:45–79:24]

• Lottie and Missy try to broker peace, but Margot’s outrage at being insulted for her transparent dress simmers over.
  • Margot: “What are you scared of, Mark? ... Just come chat with me.” [76:18]
  • Mark: “I might have to leave. ... I’m not going to turn this into a vulgar, vulgar day.” [76:59]
  • Ben: “There was something about Margo sitting at that table and being like, what are you scared of? ... I felt like I saw Mark as a child there being bullied for being this gay little boy.” [78:16]
• Mark leaves in a huff, Margo follows, and the hosts lay out the dynamics as camp, comedy, and slightly tragic – both Mark and Margot reveal vulnerabilities beneath the snark.

Memorable Moment

• Ronnie: “At this point, Margo’s just cloying with this. ... But at least Mark is entertaining. And Margo’s just ... annoying, but great show, great episode.” [79:24–80:20]

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Notable Quotes & Speaker Attribution

• “This degree of wealth ... I just feel like we haven’t even seen [it] on Bravo before.” – Ben Mandelker [05:57]
• “All she does is ... walk around in a uniform and has to work. What the fuck is the point of marrying a rich guy? ... I’ll stick to poor people.” – Ronnie Karam [05:46]
• “In Britain, we tend not to talk about emotions. ... If you’re going to give it, you have to be able to take it. And I can take it.” – Mark (quoted by Ronnie) [14:27]
• “She lives in a castle but has to walk around pleasing people all day. ... It’s like marrying into wealth but then having to become, like, a waiter captain.” – Ronnie Karam [08:53]
• “Wait till I get to your personality. Then I will destroy you, sweetheart. British humor, Micah. British humor.” – Mark (quoted by Ben) [18:50]
• “It’s literally being at the restaurant and, like, just grabbing something off of the pass and be like, okay, I’ll just take this.” – Ronnie Karam [54:21]
• “What are you scared of, Mark? ... Just come chat with me.” – Margot [76:18]
• “There was something about Margo sitting at that table ... I felt like I saw Mark as a child there being bullied for being this gay little boy.” – Ben Mandelker [78:16]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [03:19] – Ben & Ronnie on the delightful insanity of Longleat
• [05:46–05:57] – The unmatched wealth on display
• [13:18–19:56] – Mark v. Margot: humor clash and the roots of their feud
• [26:10–36:31] – Arrival at Longleat; Jurassic Park comparisons; animal antics
• [49:18–57:25] – Tea party etiquette fails (Margot’s faux pas)
• [66:45–79:24] – Showdown: Mark and Margot’s feud erupts, Mark storms out

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Episode Tone and Takeaways

Ben and Ronnie maintain their affectionate, sharp-witted tone, reveling in both the ridiculousness and charm of Ladies of London. Their blend of pop culture snark, Bravo meta-analysis, and genuine appreciation for British eccentricity makes this recap both hilarious and insightful. The episode is a classic class-clash country house weekend – embellished with animal encounters, scone disputes, couture judgments, and the age-old transatlantic battle over “what counts as real humor.”

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For First-time Listeners

You’ll leave with:

• A clear understanding of who’s feuding and why
• A rundown of British vs. American social norms (and peanut butter etiquette)
• Standout quotes and funniest moments
• A sense of Ladies of London’s unique blend of camp, class, and cultural confusion—plus Ben and Ronnie's razor-sharp, loving analysis

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“Great show, great episode.” – Ronnie Karam [80:20]

Transcript

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Caram]

Work.

[Ben Mandelker]

There's so much that happens. Well, hello and welcome to Watch what crap Ins, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker and joining me today is Ronnie Caram. Hi, Ronnie, how's it going?

[Ronnie Caram]

Hi. What's up?

[Ben Mandelker]

Not much. It's Ladies of London day. Thank God. I desperately need this show this weekend. Whoa, Ronnie, you have a big weekend. You're going on a evening cruise.

[Ronnie Caram]

Going on a city cruises cruise with Hannah Ferrier and Sheena from Vanderpump Rules and Zach from the Valley. Gonna be their little Andy Cohen and ask him some questions and stuff. It's going to be really fun. If you want info, go to Hannah's Instagram. That's where you'll find links to it. It's Hannah Ferrier. Just look her up. A Ferrier. Ferrier Farrier.

[Ben Mandelker]

Are you just. Are you gonna basically to be asking them questions about their time on the shows and things like that? Is that the plan?

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, just talk evening with reality stalls. You know how it goes. What do you think of me? What do you think of my show? What do you think of my hair? What do you think of my makeup?

[Ben Mandelker]

That sounds super fun. Yeah, that sounds super fun.

[Ronnie Caram]

Should be written any questions yet? So I guess time, time will tell.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, well, anything you want to know,

[Ronnie Caram]

give me some. I'll write them down right now.

[Ben Mandelker]

I. I'm sure there were questions. I want to know how she knows book is doing and I want to know from Zach what he thinks about this guy Brandon that that Britney is dating from Hannah. I want to know if she will ever come back to below deck. Those are my three questions.

[Ronnie Caram]

Okay, Done.

[Ben Mandelker]

Done everyone. So go get your tickets for that if you're in the Southern California. Also join us on Patreon patreon.com Watcher Crappins for free newsletter and all that other good stuff at free listening bonus episodes video. You can watch us Crap is on demand. And on Monday we have our Amazon Live. Come join us because we will be sharing our latest finds and we get our Stacy Rush on when we go on that. And it's really, really fun. And we have crappy hour after that later in the evening. But today we have Ladies of London. This show is just so divine. I, I am so delighted by the show. I'm so amused. Even before there's any fighting, you know, there was a fight on this episode and it was like the last like five minutes of the show. But the rest of it was just them bantering, cracking jokes, you know, being snarky. But like also, this was truly insane. This episode. This is the episode where we go to Emma's country estate and we've seen footage of it. We've seen her, you know, putting mud on a rhinoceros. We've seen that she lives basically on a safari. But I just don't feel like we fully grasped how large this place is. And it's crazy that Emma lives here. Like this is her spot. And I was just watching it, like, wow, this show is just doing something else right now. Compared to the that we see elsewhere in Bravo. Compared to like, you know, going to like Rulo's house in Rhode island and we have.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh God. Or the restaurants with floor tiles on the wall in the valley, you know.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

Flies and bar rot. And then you go here. It's like, wow. I mean, I will say about that. This is like a government owned. I mean, I know it's not, but it's in America. It would be like living in, you know, the Treasury Department. You know what I mean? It's like The Pentagon. Like, I'm gonna live in the Pentagon.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's like this big, massive building that people are always touring through, and there's tour buses coming to it, and it just seems not com. Like, it doesn't seem comfortable. Like you're not walking around in your underwear, you know, eating. Eating cold slices of pizza while Real Housewives reruns are playing. So I kind of felt bad for him. Is that weird? Like, I kind of felt like, oh, my God, this poor lady, like, she's stuck, like, in her workplace. And they're like, okay, now make a safari event. Now go clean the rhinoceroses. Now do this. I'm like, well, what's the point of being rich? All she does is she walks around in a uniform and has to work. What the fuck is the point of marrying a rich guy? I'll stick to poor people.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, but, like, I just felt like this degree of wealth was something that I just feel like we haven't even seen on Bravo before. We've. There've been some people on Bravo. They're just not. It's not coming to me where I'm like, wow, these are some wealthy ass people. I mean, Caroline Fleming was also extraordinarily wealthy, but it just was like, Emma's just living in a whole different world. And I just was really struck by it, this episode, in a way where I was like, this is. This show is kind of taking me into a world I was not expecting. I mean, it wasn't deep into that world. All we saw was, like, the public areas that anyone else could go to. But still, I just was like, wow, I love this show so much. It just makes me so happy.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, they're rich in the show. So, yeah, we see the packing scenes. Everyone's getting ready to go. Mark is speaking France to his housemaid, and Margo's like, oh, my God, what do I even pack for those? I'm sure it's going to be something terrible, so let's. Let's see what it is. It ends up being tassels on boobs and a thong. So.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes. So Emma, she's telling us she's doing preparations at Long Lead. She's like, at Long Lead, we have opened seven cottages on the estate which are beautiful and they're all historic houses and they've been restored lovingly and curated and dotted about the estate. Can someone wake up Emma?

[Ronnie Caram]

I know Emma's just resting her head on her shoulder at all times. She's like a doll that nobody. She's Like a marionette that no one's picked up yet. She's like, yes, yes, Cottages. It's lovely curated. They're dotted about the estate. Some are in the safari, some are in the forest. It's very, very sweet, you know, like staying in a cottage in the country. You know, playing country house for the weekend. Oh, my God. Someone pick up the doll. Pick her up. It's gonna break off. It's like when a baby is born and they're too. They don't know how to hold their neck up yet. And you're always having to support the babies. Support her head. Support her head, somebody.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's always flopped over, but, like, somehow she's the only one who could be so flopped over and so elegant at the same time. I just love her. I. You know, I'm not usually the sort of gay that's like, h. She's so glamorous. I love her. But honestly, with Emma, I kind of am like that. Like, she doesn't really have too much personality. She's just sort of reserved and nice, but, like, I really am obsessed with her. So Emma, she's gonna. She's gonna have, like. They're gonna have, like, tea and the rangerie, and then they're gonna do. They're gonna go on the boat tour, which is hilarious. That's like. Yes. So today's itinerary, once you get to my house, is we're gonna get on the giant boat, and we are gonn. And then afterwards, we're gonna go to my orangery and have tea, which is just. It's just wild. It's so wild. To me, I'm like. I don't know. I think I'm. I don't know what to do myself.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. To me, it's like hanging out at a mall. It's like hanging out at a really fancy mall. I feel bad for her. You're like, oh, my God, she's so glamorous. I'm obsessed. And I'm like, this poor girl has to work 24 hours a day. I'm exhausted just watching her. Like, we see her walking around in her little, you know, safari sweater uniform thing, and I'm like, I just. I wouldn't marry that. I wouldn't marry somebody who. This was my job to, like, walk around and please people all day. This is weird. It's like. It's like. It's like marrying into wealth but then having to become, like, a waiter captain is what it felt like to me, and I felt bad. I want her to be. I Want to come pick her up and, like, let her escape because this shit looks hard.

[Ben Mandelker]

The worst is when you, like, when your job is, like, you're there to just professionally make people happy anyway. Watch crappins.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, but art job doesn't require constant grace or being classy all day, you know? Thank God.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I'm not saying I'm envious of her because I wouldn't want to live there. I'm just saying I think it's, like, wild. I love when Bravo can take us into a world that is, like, totally foreign to me and just, like. I just think it's. It's such a contrast from everything else going on. I'm just, like, so amused and, like, impressed, but not impressed, but, like, I. I just find that the gulf of experiences between something like this versus Tom Schwartz's apartment is, like, so amazing that Bravo can have this all. So I just am. I love seeing it. I love gawking at it. So it's time to go to Longleat. So they get into their amazing black cars. I love these black cars, too, by the way. Just for the cars alone, I love this show. The.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, the cars are black. Yeah, they're really. They're very glamorous on the inside.

[Ben Mandelker]

Can we ever go back to a sprinter van? I'm just not sure.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, so they're in two. They're in two different vans. And there's the M car with Ms. A. Margo. Margo and Martha and Mark and Micah are in another car. So they're also M's. Just a lot of M's on this show, basically. Yeah. And Micah's like, oh, my God, you are fat. Look at your little suit. Like, if I was a man, I would want to look just like you. And he's like, oh, well, if I was a woman, I would want to be just like you.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then they're like. Kimmy's like, well, I'm here. I've got a bear's back. She does that thing where she, like, throws her shoulder into her joke. She's like. She's like, I love drinking. I love wine. I call it my. I call it just a little personality. Announcer. And Mike is like, yeah, any journey with Kimmy, you know, it's gonna be a good time. I'm like, maybe for you. I don't know if it's gonna go the other way around for Kimmy with. With Micah. Oh, I got stuck in the micro car.

[Ronnie Caram]

So we see Emma riding a bike around the property and making preparations for tea, and she's like, having guessed it, Longleat, it's quite complicated. You've got to always streamline whatever you're doing alongside what's already happening. I mean, Longleat's open to the public all throughout the year. So if people are coming, have to curate the experience around the time of the year, what's happening on the estate, what event? There might be concerts, There might be hot air balloons. So is something. And when people come along, they feel like a dream. Show me. Richard Case feels like shoveling and scheduling hot air balloons.

[Ben Mandelker]

And they keep showing footage of this Diana Ross concert that was there, which is hilarious. So what I also like is that the one car stops at a gas station, and they actually go into, like, the convenience store. And I feel like we didn't spend enough time in here. We didn't, like, see how amusing it was to see these. These women in the convenience store. Maybe because they were just totally chill and normal, unlike. If it had been Real House as a Beverly Hills, I'd be like, oh, my God, look, they've got candy bars. Candy bars. Can you believe it? They got so many candy bars by the cash register. Have you ever seen so many candy bars?

[Ronnie Caram]

Kimmy was subtle. I doubt Kimmy was subtle in the 7 11. You know, say I was. It wasn't M. Can I drink it?

[Ben Mandelker]

That. I'm gonna throw these M M's at Margot if she's a. She's just getting some coffee. I just loved it. I love Kimmy just sitting there getting coffee from the machine. That sad gas station coffee. But she doesn't care. She's like, I'm gonna get my coffee. I don't care. I call this a personality enhancer as well.

[Ronnie Caram]

So Lottie is shit talking with Mark. She's. She's stirring the pot, and she's like, how are you feeling about seeing Margot? He's like, I've always struggled with people who don't have a sense of humor, who aren't quick. Who. Cut. Take it. You notice he does the stress thing with the beginning of his words. He's like, I've always struggled with people who don't have a sense of humor. What? Quick who can't take it. It's got this, like, weird way of stressing, like, the first letter of each word.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's like, doing, like, fop talk to the extreme. So he basically. I love. I love Mark. He's like, you know, I just can't. I can't understand someone who doesn't have a sense of humor. And nothing says A sense of humor than living in a rococo palace with gold, with gold paisley accents across all of your furniture. There's nothing about his, his lifestyle that says this is a man with a sense of humor. But he is very funny. I just think it's very. I think the irony is that he has a very serious looking life and style and yet he's complaining about someone being too, taking themselves too seriously.

[Ronnie Caram]

He explains, you see, in Britain we do, we tend not to talk about emotions. You know, if you're going to give it, you have to be able to take it. And I can take it. It's like, oh, 100%, Mark, 100%. And if we must, we use humor to deflect. Well, I have had a conversation with her and she's being quite sensitive about it actually. Sensitive about what? Somebody not liking her boots.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, but like it wasn't just about the boots. I think that like they've lost track of what Margot was mad about at this point. It's that when they were bitching about Margot at someone's apartment, then they, or I forgot where they were. Was it Mark's apartment? But when they had.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, they were having like the posh people party and then the other people were having like the cheesy Margot party with, you know, bad mouth, non alcoholic wine.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Kimmy was bitching about Margot and Mark was like, well, I heard someone came to my garden party and said that Margot is quite the actress. So that's what she would. Margo was mad at. Not the boots comment. I mean, I still am not on Margot's side, but like Mark is definitely overlooking what actually caused this fight and his role in it. Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

But even that was, I think he's looking at it like that was just such a dumb little comment. Like I called her fake, like, you know, like, who cares? But they do keep bringing a lot. He's like, yes, it's about people making comments about her outfits. And he's like, oh, well, get over it or dress better, quite frankly.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Margot of course is going on and on in her car. She's like, it's just so uncomfortable because they talk about me behind my back. Just like snip at me. And I'm like, like I was on the polo pony and I could hear them talking about, about me. And we see the flashback of them talking about her and then in the other car.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, she's got a point. But that's what you're doing too. I mean that's every scene is you talking about them every Single scene is like, oh my God, I hate him. And he's so weird. And I just don't like them and I hate them. Oh, she's kissing her ass. He's just friends with her cuz she's rich.

[Ben Mandelker]

And I like Mark here. He's like, I think the nicest thing you can do to anyone to their face is to say something nice. Because, yeah, it may be a bit fake. Most compliments are not necessarily authentic. But when you see someone and you say to them, you look fantastic, it's so wonderful to see you. My God, you look great. You look ravaging. You're a. Whatever it is. If someone does that to me, they've made my day. And I don't care whether it's true or not. I really don't care.

[Ronnie Caram]

Micah's just like, you just said all of those things to me about five minutes ago. Exactly. Thank you for getting it. Micah and Lottie's like, well, I really just think that this is a case that Margot doesn't understand Mark's humor. You know, American humor is very different from British humor. I mean, justice for lvp. Like, why didn't this come out six years ago or whatever. I know, I love that this cast is just laying it out on the table. They're like, if you don't get it, you don't go here. Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Micah's like, it took me a few years to understand British sense of humor. I'm not totally sure. I still seem to get it. It's a lot of them just looking at me and laughing and rolling their eyes and then they just say, oh, it's just British humor. And I just laugh along with it.

[Ronnie Caram]

I don't think it's great. You know, I would, I moved here and then people would say to me, we're having a party. And I would say, when they're saying not for you, you know, things like that. Really funny people. Or I would, I would come and I'd say, oh my God, what a lovely dinner, right? And I'd start to sit down. They'd say, no, not here. I mean, they really are just fun, funny people. Really funny.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. My, my husband, I said, are you ever going to come back? And he said, I'm never coming back. I'm leaving you. And I was like, why did you say that? And he says, british humor. So I guess, I guess I'm just really funny people.

[Ronnie Caram]

Really funny. Yes. Well, there's different. Definitely a culture clash. We have culture and you clash. Do you understand? Because like, like Are they joking? Are they not joking? Is this funny? I mean, I guess it's funny. I'm laughing, right? I'm sitting alone at a table, I'm not going to party, eating. I don't even know what this is mushy stuff is, but it's pretty. It's pretty funny. I'm only crying. I'm cry laughing. I'm cry laughing.

[Ben Mandelker]

Mark is like, I mean, you're concerned about Boots. Wait till I get to your personality. Then I will destroy you, sweetheart. British humor, Micah. British humor.

[Ronnie Caram]

So in the other car, Mark is like, I mean, they have bullied me and they have put me in a corner.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay? Even Missy. Missy who like the queen trauma dumper is like, well, I think it's more than okay that Margot stood up for being mean. But like, this is a bit much. So then Lottie in the other car is like, she has this impression that you're this nasty person and I know that you're not. You're a very nice person. Marxic. Well, it doesn't bother me because if you're smart, you get it.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, well, if somebody insults you, you laugh at it and they don't insult you again. I mean, God, we have to teach these people everything

[Ben Mandelker]

or come back at them with something sharper or smarter. But I think that as time has gone on, I've understood your personality a bit more and now I find you hilarious. That's why I got you a comedy suit. Do you want to put it on? No, no, no. More seats, Lottie.

[Ronnie Caram]

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[Ronnie Caram]

This episode is notable because this is when all of the people who were on Margo's side realize that Margo's just a whining asshole and they don't want to be on her side anymore. And it's really funny because it all happens at one time where Margo just pushes it too far. And they're like, yeah, he's fun. They're like, every time we're in this group, we look over and that group is really having a good time. And our group is not. We're listening to this lady in a thong. It's like, it's not fun. This is not fun.

[Ben Mandelker]

And also, Margot is, like, a bit gauche for, like, at this country estate. And I think they're, like, all kind of mortified and they just don't want to associate with her. Margot. This is the episode where Margo truly kind of becomes Juliet Angus from the original Ladies of London. Just the obnoxious American. She sort of always teetered on it. But this episode, it's like, oh, yes, the spirit of Juliet is with us now.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. So Martha's like, well, I think moving forward, there's a way that you can react, you know, that that won't escalate it further. You know, there's a way you can de.

[Ben Mandelker]

Escalate.

[Ronnie Caram]

And Margo's like, well, they're like, still holding me to this, like, nastiness. They're like, nasty. Nasty to me, though.

[Ben Mandelker]

But you'll respond you to that by being nasty. Don't give them what they want.

[Ronnie Caram]

If I lose my temper, you can't be like, oh, well, you did snap back, like, that's a. They're like, coming for me.

[Ben Mandelker]

Martha, Margot is. I'm not sure going into this weekend with the right intention. She's saying, don't judge me if I lose my temper with Mark yet. Totally judging Mark. And I don't feel like she's going in waving the white flag, as it were. What worries me is that you're both warriors and I don't know when this is going to end.

[Ronnie Caram]

It ends with me winning, Martha. I win. That's how it ends. No, it's not. This is not going to end up with you winning. This is going to end up with you crying, probably being like X'd out from the show, not having a career in London and getting left by that man who clearly doesn't like you. Like we all saw how this was ending a long time ago and it's not going to end well for you. Sorry. Cuz I really, I don't hate her. I really don't hate Margot. I think she's annoying, but I like her and I like the casting that she will stand up to these people. But she's taking it a little. It's annoying now.

[Ben Mandelker]

Just bratty. She's just bratty. I actually think she's really good casting because she's the rare kind of like villain in this situation who is funny too. I, I think that Margo is like legitimately very funny. Like she makes me laugh but like I'm definitely not on her side. I think that she will, she's definitely cemented herself as like someone who will be on the show. Tacky, American, like a foil for someone like Mark. So it does work. But she is really, really annoying. So then I actually, I love this entire cast. I like even Micah who's sort of like the boring one. I think we need kind of the boring one in there. Lottie is a little bit more low key, but I sort of like Lottie in this weird way. She's sort of like quiet but also judgy. Yeah. And I love, I love her. And her husband's weird, strange, Tim Burton style. You know, it all works.

[Ronnie Caram]

So then we go back to the other car and Kimmy's like, oh God, a three hour drive. Geez. Well at least we're going somewhere that's not a winery. And so they're talking about the other car and Mark's like, well, this is the more popular vehicle. Well, I think if Mitzi was in our car, she'd be having a good time in this car. The other two can stay over there. Who cares? But not Missy would love it over here.

[Ben Mandelker]

Missy's just yawning in the other car like, oh, time for nap. So then Lottie is like, well, you know, I've been to Longleat but never as a guest of Emma. It's like, oh, I was there with our water. Could you believe it? Mark's like, yes, we were both at the wedding. Don't erase me. I'm Emma's friend, too. Emma. The wedding was a lot of fun. More fun for me because I was a little bit closer. I think I was sitting one pew ahead of you, Kimmy. Is that it?

[Ronnie Caram]

Gosh, I've been a long LAKE for like, 20 something years or something like that. But I can't wait to go back. I simply can't wait. I love a husband. Can't wait to give him a lap dance. It's been a long time. You know what I mean? Like, Kimmy and Mark have attended lots of parties. My wedding, my 30th, you know, big ones. Christenings, you know, proper shebang events. They were there, there at all of those events. I cleaned up after every single one of those. Planned each and every one of them.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes. So many shebang events. We literally had. William hung here and he sang. She bangs, she bangs. And Mark got up on a table and danced the Macarena. Didn't make any sense, but I was happy for him.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, I don't even remember my first trip to Longleat, But I do remember that the theme of the dinner was Ancient Egypt and Kimmy came as a pharaoh. We see photos. Kimmy is, in fact, dressed as a pharaoh. It's like, it was fabulous.

[Ben Mandelker]

It was worth it to suffer all those plagues. At least I had a nice house within a pyramid. So Mark is like. I cannot begin to think the number of stories and the madness that has ensued. No one has ever left Long Leads the same way. They are acting, by the way, like they're going to Jurassic Park. They kind of are going to Jurassic Park. Like, this entire, you know, drive to Longley definitely has the vibe of, like, Laura Dern on a helicopter going off to, like, Isla New Bar. So they get there and, you know,

[Ronnie Caram]

there's DNA encrusted all over the place in the. In there.

[Ben Mandelker]

They literally are doing Jurassic park things in there. Emma tells us that they are using DNA from an extinct rhinoceros to, like, impregnate their. Their rhinos to bring back. So they are literally doing Jurassic Park. But it'll be British Jurassic Park. It'll be very tame. All the dinosaurs.

[Ronnie Caram]

The rhinoceros is running along with our car. It's chasing our car. It's on top of our car. My arm. My arm.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, all the. All the dinosaurs in British Jurassic park would be very polite. Like, excuse me. I do believe the powers out and my cage has become deactivated.

[Ronnie Caram]

Would someone mind giving me a napkin? I'm about to eat the man from Seinfeld.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, it Appears the man from Seinfeld got lost trying to leave the island. Shall I show them whether where to go? Awful.

[Ronnie Caram]

So they drive through and it's, you know, the Jurassic park music is playing as the gates open, you know, things flying in the air, waterfalls. And they're talking about how gorgeous it is and how palatial it is. And Lottie's like, I haven't been here since I was a child. I mean, I wasn't invited here, but I did pay a ticket to get here.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh God.

[Ronnie Caram]

This is a real feat of British architectural state. The public restrooms aren't bad either. Have to say, lovely smelling soaps.

[Ben Mandelker]

There is like a fun little story that's not being emphasized at all about how Lottie basically was like middle class British and she sort of come up in the world and now she's like hanging out with the aristocracy and her. She's like, wow, mommy. But like no one's really paying attention to that. Like nobody's just there, you know.

[Ronnie Caram]

I think they pay attention to it because she's always the one hanging out with the other new monies or Americans. You know, it's like her Missy, Margot, Micah. That's that, that's the, the other like old moneyed ones are like, ooh, are you having fun over there, America?

[Ben Mandelker]

That's true. She is on the JV team.

[Ronnie Caram]

Remember when we gave them that God awful godforsaken country and pretended that we let them win it?

[Ben Mandelker]

So we start seeing, then they're like, welcome to Longleat. Here's what all the halls look like. So they obviously were not given permission to film inside of Longleat. So they just had to kind of like have these scanned in photos from the brochure. Like, this is the great hole. This is where we have breakfast every day. And it's like this. It's like a lithograph or something. Low res lithograph, like a J, like a 300 by 300 JPEG that's blown up on our TV. But we see all these things and Mark is like one of the most magical things is this extraordinary drive to the house with these incredible views. It's probably one of the most beautiful landscapes in England if you can look past the hideous pigeon feathers that Margot wore for the ride.

[Ronnie Caram]

So they drive up and Emma comes to greet them. And Martha's like, that lion statue has bulls. And Mark runs up to Emma, he's like, oh my God, it's em. Oh, look at you. Divine. Glorious. The sun coming up in the morning, the sun setting at night. Good Lord, woman, you're amaz.

[Ben Mandelker]

Mar's like, did everyone know Mark is friends with Emma? Did you know Marcus on Emma? Mark and Emma, they're friends. Is this really how he is with his friends? Yes, his wealthy friends.

[Ronnie Caram]

Have you never known a gay person? I mean, that's my question to Margo, because Margot does verge on problematic a lot with the stuff she's going through with Mark. And, like, do you know any gay people at all? Because, yes, that's how we are with our friends. Girl, get you a gay. I feel bad for you.

[Ben Mandelker]

He is a dandy. And he has just reunited with his gorgeous, elegant, extremely wealthy lady friend. Like, we lose our minds. We're like, oh, my God, you're everything gay culture is all about. So, yeah, that's what happens.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. So Margo keeps imitating. She's like, oh, hello. I mean, does he talk to his mother like that? Oh. So he says, he's like, hello, Margot. Hello. How are you? Good to see you. And she's like, hi. Like, the way he said hello, it's like bullying, Bullying.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then Kimmy does her thing where she, like, launches into her joke with her shoulders, because, by the way, what a dumb. I just love the way she cracks her jokes. She's. She's like a full body joke for her. And so they're all going to be put into different cottages and stuff because that's. This estate is big enough that there are cottages. It really is Downton Abbey. Like, the cottages that they wind up going to. It looks like the. Whenever in Downton Abbey, someone goes into town and they're like, oh, look at that farmer. They're going to take care of my baby. These are the houses that those farmers live in. And it's like, but it's real.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, it's real. I know, but you have to, like, live. It's kind of like living in the servants quarters. It's like, that's where Daisy lives from Downton Abbey. Daisy, like, whoa, Isn't this lovely? Yeah, thank you. So loves it. And she's, like, really impressed with Emma. She's like, yeah. I seem like a different side to her. Like, I really like her now that I've seen that she lives in a castle. This is amazing. So Emma's like, telling them how the lands are laid, basically. She's like, well, you know, that's where the different animals are. There's giraffes over there, there's rhinoceros over there. Then you go over a hill to the monkey cage. Then There's a Broadway level theater about five hills away from that. Then there's a train, then there's a plane. There's an automobile. John Candy actually comes out of that volcano at night. Surprises people every time. Oh, it's quite wonderful. Liza Minelli isn't even dead yet, but her guest is already. Her ghost is already staying in that cabin right over there. You're going to love it here.

[Ben Mandelker]

You do have to ring a bell to get in, if you know what I'm saying. Yeah, it's crazy. They go on this. This boat ride that's kind of like the Jungle Cruise at Disney, except it's real. And there's sea lions that come up, which is funny because you wouldn't think of sea lions in the same habitat as monkeys, but they're all there together. It's a hodgepodge of animals and it's just wild. I think what's also crazy is that, like, this cast, I just. I don't see this cast really going to the zoo, and that's what they're doing. And it's just kind of funny seeing them, like, observing animals like Kimmy being like, oh, look, there's a monkey. Isn't that fabulous? Isn't that crazy? I wonder if it wants a cocktail. Come on down here, monkey. Let's have some wine together.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. And Emma's telling us the safari park is run by international conservation and lots of research is done here. We've actually mixed Kimmy's DNA in with a penguin and a sea lion. And that's what you see here today. Who are you talking about? Her. Exactly. The real Kimmy's in a jar.

[Ben Mandelker]

We also see there is, like, this one monkey that's, like, standing on, like, a tree. And Mark's like, oh, look, it's Margot's inspiration for her jacket or something like that. We see, like, a side by side of, like, the monkey and Margot's outfit. This show's so good. Why is there a monkey here?

[Ronnie Caram]

They see a little red panda named Lionel.

[Ben Mandelker]

So cute.

[Ronnie Caram]

Like, Martha, do you want this in your house? Like, of course I would. I would get little red panda goggles just for Hecate, you know?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

Never be too careful.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hecate would not allow that red panda. Lionel is not allowed in with Hecate. Hecate is calling the shots. And Hackett, he's like, there will be no cuter animal in this place than me. So sorry, Lionel, you're staying in Longleat. God, Lionel was so cute. Oh, my God. I could have just watched Lionel for an hour.

[Ronnie Caram]

So my mark is like, oh, Lionel makes a wonderful accessory. So now they go on this boat and we're learning about all the different animals. And then we see gorillas. And I love that. We got one shot of the gorilla, and the gorilla was just, like, slicked his hair back real quick. Just kept looking at him like, hi, I'm the hot gorilla.

[Ben Mandelker]

Welcome.

[Ronnie Caram]

Welcome to my habitat.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like that gorilla that, like, became viral a few years ago for being hot. And then this is where we see that monkey and Mark saying, like, oh, now I see what Marco got that inspiration. Yeah. And Martha's like, oh, look at all these dangerous animals. I wish I could have in close quarters in my apartment. Oh, she's losing her mind. She's so happy.

[Ronnie Caram]

And they're like, wow, those gorillas, they just posture and pound their chests. And Emma's like, oh, that mark does posturing as well. It's more like chimpanzee versus gorilla, I think. I'm sorry, that's an old inside long leap joke.

[Ben Mandelker]

Then the sea lion comes up, and they now have to feed the sea lions. It's just so cute.

[Ronnie Caram]

So they put on some rubber gloves, and Kimmy's like, martha, you better bend over. It's time for your rectal exam.

[Ben Mandelker]

I cracked up when she did that. Like, that's. They're just so funny on this show at all times. Except for Missy. Missy's not that funny, but Missy is like, oh, Emma, we could do house swap. How you like that? House swap. Okay. Like, don't take her up on that, Emma. We've seen Missy's house.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. So then Margo starts bullying the hippo. Marcus. Like, oh, my God, that hippo is so mean to me. You're really fast for a fatty. You're really fast. Can we not Fat shame. The hippos like how they were born, okay?

[Ben Mandelker]

They're also the most dangerous animal here.

[Ronnie Caram]

So I'm sorry the hippos not jerking somebody off in the cinema, but he's still a decent person. Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

Of some respect.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then this is where Emma tells us about how they're trying to resuscitate the northern white African rhino. And then she was like, oh, and we also have a whole eucalyptus farm here just for the koalas. Just a bonus eucalyptus farm. She's like, oh, and there's the red panda you saw that's done in Nepal. So we got so much going on. America's like, what's really wonderful is the way in which they all coexist in such harmony if only we were able to do the same. And then like Margo rolls her eyes

[Ronnie Caram]

like it's like, that was bullying, you see? That was bullying you guys. So Emma's like, there will be a test at the end of the ride, everybody. And they're like. So Marco keeps, like, giving looks to Mark on the boat, like she's clearly trying to start a fight. And he just ignores her and keeps laughing. I'm not getting dragged down to this level with you, lady. So now they go back to the property, the proper tea to have some tea. And they have some tea drinks in this, like, orangery, as you called it. And, well, no, first they go see their cottages and they're like, micah, Margo, Lottie, you're gonna be in the gardener's cottage. Sorry, you're just kind of like leaf blower types. So I'm gonna stick you in there.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then the other girl is going to be in the Prairie Lodge, which is funny because I don't think there's anything resembling a prairie out here. And then they just give. They put Mark in the place called. He's in the Bath Arms, which is a pub that's two miles away. And she's like, well, I thought he'd be happier in the pub. Doesn't need to interact with people for longer than it's necessary. And he's like, oh, the idea of being in a pub, let alone sleeping in one, is not something that would intrinsically please me. However, on this occasion, not being in either of these cottages, cold as a pure delight.

[Ronnie Caram]

So everybody goes to get changed and we see all these little cottages and stuff. And then Micah and Margot and Lottie are talking about the car ride and Lottie's like, well, ours wasn't very relaxed, although it was entertaining. And we see flashbacks to talking about designer kids clothes. And Kim is like, oh, those are awful.

[Ben Mandelker]

Awful.

[Ronnie Caram]

No one wants to see a designer child just throw a sack over them, call it a day,

[Ben Mandelker]

Marcus. It's obtuse. It's obscene. I wore sailor outfits for the first six years of my life, and that is all a child should wear.

[Ronnie Caram]

And the funny part is he's not even kidding because we saw pictures of him as a child last week and it's like a little tiny boy in sailor outfits holding little tiny martinis and pipes.

[Ben Mandelker]

And what's also funny is that they're saying this to Lottie, who is clearly planning to. To make some designer duds for her child with her husband. Yeah, clearly going to make. I mean, her husband is literally A high end designer. And there she even said at the. At the gender reveal, she's like, little mini seats. I can't wait for the mini seats. Like, mini seats, mini seats, mini seats, minis.

[Ronnie Caram]

They're like disgusting, obtuse, revolting. And she doesn't get mad. She just laughs, you know. So he's like, can you have guinea fowl for Thanksgiving? Oh, I'd love to. Turkey's just so abhorrent, isn't it? Oh, God, it's just so full of things like gizzards and innards and stuff like that. It's like disgusting.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's so American. And then another part, Mike is like, mark, shaming turkeys. I know they're covering the. A wide. A wide range of topics. Because now Micah goes, mark, how's your German? Because nine. And they all just like him.

[Ronnie Caram]

He's like,

[Ben Mandelker]

so Lottie is like, I just feel like Mark and I kind of bonded a little bit. Turns out we both detest turkey.

[Ronnie Caram]

What'd you bond over? Over what? What do you mean, bondage? Because, you know, just like having a one on one conversation with him. I sat opposite from him in the car, so it was like, you know, we could actually talk. And I could see that he's actually fun and friendly and nothing like you're describing him to me, basically. And Micah's like, oh, yeah, was he friendly? How was he right now, Margot? Was he friendly? She goes, well, I mean, he said hello. God. Might as well have tripped me in the hallway.

[Ben Mandelker]

God, I just had this vision of this cast going to the next Bravo con, and I just g what I would do to be able just to sit with them and have a cocktail because, you know, they're going to squirrel away at some bar in the middle of Vegas and just talk about all the trashy people on Bravo. Like, oh, did you hear that? Did you meet that person on the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills? I think her name was Dorit. Oh, my God. She thinks she's from the continent. I'll tell you one thing, she is from the continent. The continent of stupidity.

[Ronnie Caram]

Right? So. And by the way, we will be sitting and having drinks with them at Bravo Con. Are you kidding? Of course. So Margo's like, yeah, well, I mean, he said hello, but like, with Mark, that means nothing because he's so fake.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Lottie's like, being nice to someone's just being polite, isn't it? Doesn't mean that you're fake. It's like, well, I don't know, because he never Talks. Talks to me. And Lottie's like, well, I just feel like I'm just understanding him a lot more, that's all. And it is so funny. Also, the cultural divide here, where the Brits are kind of like, it doesn't cost anything just to be nice to someone. Just say something nice, be polite. There's nothing wrong with that. But the Americans are like, if it's not sneaky sincere, then that it needs to be authentic at all times. And that is, like, a very American thing. Like, I feel like, like, the biggest crime, it often seems like, is the crime of inauthenticity. You know, people often get. We. We see people get angrier at people on these shows for being inauthentic than for. For some of the things that they do that are, like, legitimately bad, bad, bad behaviors. And I just think it's so funny seeing Margot get caught up on this. Of like, yeah, he may be nice to me, but it's fake. Like, it's not even real. So, like, what. What's even.

[Ronnie Caram]

I would rather a fake nice person than a real bee, you know?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

So then we go to Kimmy and Martha's place, and Martha's like, oh, how are you and Margo getting on today? Are you making peace? She's like, oh, God, I haven't even said much. I haven't said anything. She hasn't said much. I think her problem's more with Mark now than me. So she's like, be nice to her. So then we go back to Lottie, and she's like, you know, he just thinks that everyone needs to not take everything so seriously and have a sense of humor and, you know, the things you've been upset about. He hasn't really meant them to be that deep is what he's trying to say. She goes, well, that's a cop out. I mean, what you're. What. What you're upset about doesn't even matter. Sorry, Margot. God, Margot, you're such a wet blanket. Good. And, Lord, you're almost wet enough to wear.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Lottie's like, but we're just talking about dress sense. I mean, does it really matter? Margot's like, I don't think Lottie's gone to the dark side, but it does seem a little bit murky. And Micah's like, I think Margo sees other people loving Mark. And she's like, what? Like, how can you love somebody that I don't love? And it's, like, hard for her to see, but I'm gonna help her out. With the help of puppets. Okay, this puppet is Mark and this is Margot. Talk.

[Ronnie Caram]

And then Lottie says. I mean, she's. She's wearing a tank top with nipple tassels. And then we cut to her in the car with this tank top with nipple tassels. And she goes, I mean, if I'm invited to this estate, I don't think I would be the time for me to wear nipple tassels. It's like, oh, yes. Lottie's turned, finally. Yes.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And it's true, too, by the way. I feel like you gotta, like, respect the customs, right? So Margo says, if someone said to me, I don't like what you're wearing, I said, but he. That's what he said. No, it's not. He told me, I love everything you're wearing. You're amazing. You're beautiful. And then I turned around, and he's, like, gathered people to whisper behind my back. And that's just, like, not a nice feeling. Micah's like, but, you know, we did tell him, your words hurt her. And he said, I don't like to hurt people, and I will only hurt people who dress terribly. So, I mean, I think that means something.

[Ronnie Caram]

He's going to be cognizant now. So even Micah's like, I mean, Marco really needs to understand British humor. You know, the other day, I was handling a taxi, and he rolled down the window, and he said, not you. And then he drove off. I mean, these guys, they are really. It's a funny country.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't want to be the middle of you two, because you and I are also friends. But at the same time, you standing up to him is going to stop him from chatting about. About you behind your back. She's like, you think so? I do think so. He's an enormous pussy. So confront him.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, you don't really change somebody with a conversation. I mean, they just turn around and they just keep doing. I'm beginning to wonder if Margo's the problem, because she really enjoys this drama, you know, I don't understand her motives, but we're arguing about boots. It's embarrassing. Marco's like, nobody's on my side. Like, nobody. And, like, it's like, final. Like, I'm not asking you to take sides. I'm not, like, asking you to fight my battles. But, like, please go to him and argue with him the. Of the rest. Rest of the episode about me. Okay? Like, I did just. I want you guys to be aware that that's how I feel. I'm like, alone. Like, I'm alone because, like, even Martha's like, but I love everybody. And I'm like, well, I want, I want her to love everybody, but it's not her fight. But, like, it's not my fight either. Like, why am I fighting?

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, we don't want you to feel like that. That's a horrible feeling. You are not alone, but you are also the poorest of this group. So we're going to be friends with Mark instead. Okay, thanks. So now everyone's getting ready, and Lottie is wearing this kind of like nutcracker marching band jacket.

[Ronnie Caram]

I love this jacket. It was crazy. It had like a ton of little gold foil covered bon bons on it.

[Ben Mandelker]

It was not unlike your jacket for the crappies, I have to say.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, yeah, similar.

[Ben Mandelker]

Look at you. You're. You're. You're basically doing Lottie before Lottie was doing Lottie.

[Ronnie Caram]

I basically made it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Invented it.

[Ronnie Caram]

And then Martha and Missy are getting ready and Martha's like, I look dumping. Missy says, what does dumpy mean? Like middle aged and fat. She's like, oh, stop it. Commercials.

[Ben Mandelker]

Here comes one right now.

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[Ronnie Caram]

So now we go to the orangery and everybody is greeting each other to go over there making small talk and stuff. And Lottie's like, oh, did you all talk about the Mark thing? Because we did. And Missy's like, like, no, not much. I mean, maybe a little bit, but no one cares.

[Ben Mandelker]

Mark was just saying that she should just try to get a sense of humor. It's just a joke. She should try to get a sense of humor. That's all. Just try to get a sense of humor. Have you looked in the, in the back of the newspaper? Some people are selling senses of humor. Have you tried to get one from there?

[Ronnie Caram]

She thinks that he's not having an, you know, she thinks it's, it's two faced and he's fake. And she's like, oh, really? Yeah. And she was very upset and she said she feels alone. Like, oh, gosh. Okay, you guys need to just leave it alone. This is not your thing to go talk to Mark about it. Which they both will do because.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, but at the same time. But they're not, but they, they, they're sort of like listlessly involving themselves because they're not like that, that impassioned, which is kind of funny. They're like, you should really do this because otherwise it's bothersome. And Lottie is like, well, I think

[Ronnie Caram]

they're checking, I think they're checking temperature with each other to be like, like Margo's the problem. Right? It's like, did you talk about it? Yeah, maybe she needs a sense of humor.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like it's a bit insulting that she feels like she's alone. Then what, what are we spent milk? So then Mark, Mark meets up. He's like, oh, welcome to tea. When we came for champagne, she's like, well, I don't have any. Sorry. Oh, Emma. Never have I heard a worse lie. Oh, bad girl.

[Ronnie Caram]

Bad, bad girl. So I was talking about the wedding, Emma's wedding and the orangery. It's like we married in 2013 here. It's massive. 400 people. My father had guests wearing Nigerian robes because that's traditional. It was fabulous. Look at, look at the pictures. She's like a total spectacle. So there was all Emma's family. You had society, you had a school, friends or childhood friends. It was magnificent. Magnificent, glorious, Huge, gilded.

[Ben Mandelker]

It was a bit odd when Kimmy showed up still dressed as the pharaoh, but we said, whatever, go with it. It's like, wow, it was great. It was probably one of the best weddings I've ever been to before. Actually, I was wearing this hat at Emma's wedding. Fun enough, huh?

[Ronnie Caram]

Really? The only reason I was wearing it at that wedding was because I took it off one of the peacocks outside. They turned one of the. They had stuffed one of the peacocks. I cut off its tail and turned it into a hat. I'm still wearing it today.

[Ben Mandelker]

So they're just sort of making small talk. Micah previews that she has a big event coming up because it's gonna be like the launch of her latest kind of etiquette thing that's like, it's not about teaching etiquette. It's just about like being kind of like empowering and like holding space and having confidence. It's sort of like a vague thing. It's kind of like she needs to

[Ronnie Caram]

work ramping for sure. Because she's like, I'm not trying to teach etiquette. Etiquette to British people, you guys. Okay? Not British etiquette. I'm trying to teach them that etiquette is also having self confidence and making yourself known when you're in a room. I would try to explain that to people, but I walk into a room and they leave. They're just so funny here. But you know so much. You guys think I'm trying to keep teach etiquette to British people, even though I teach something called etiquette to British people. Should I work on that?

[Ben Mandelker]

It's gonna be a great event. Great event. Everyone gets a complimentary pink walkie talkie. So I'll see you all there. So they're like, oh, that is so amazing. I love that you're doing that. What a big achievement. Whatever it is. Can't really follow it, but cool. And Margot's like, oh, my God. You're like the Martha Stewart of etiquette. They're like, oh, my God. Thanks. I love. I love Martha. I love mar. You know, Martha Stewart's like, I'm going to write a certainly written letter to Andy Cohen to remove this show from the air.

[Ronnie Caram]

So they're.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, Micah.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. So they're standing around having like pre drinks and laughing and it's so big that it's echoing like it's hard to get any sound in here because, like, the room is reverberating. It's huge. And so Micah's like, well, I'm a little peckish, but I'm just, you know, it's okay, I'll wait. We're Gonna eat soon. Because we see these big, gorgeous trays of tea food. You know, it's gorgeous.

[Ben Mandelker]

And they're in, like, the waiters area. Like, they're. They're meant to be put out on the tables once it's time to sit for tea. I'm not even sure that these are meant for this group or not, but whatever. They're just there to the side. And so Marco's like, oh, well, if you're hungry, that's fine. And so she goes. She grabs one of the towers of tea food and sandwich, you know, little finger sandwiches, etc, and she just brings it to the table and just starts eating off it. And everyone's like, you know, because.

[Ronnie Caram]

And then even worse, she's like, oh, my God, can I get some silverware? I'm gonna need some silverware for this. God, they only give you silverware around here. Jeez. It's not time to eat, you nitwit. Oh, you're so embarrassing.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like, literally being at the restaurant and, like, just, like, grabbing something off of the pass and be like, okay, I'll just take this. I'm like, lady, it's not your turn. And Emma's like, oh. So she decided to start. Oh, okay, I won't say anything. Okay.

[Ronnie Caram]

And everybody's mortified. They're like, oh, my God, you're not supposed to eat at someone else's party until they offer you the food, but no one will say anything. And Margot's just, like, shoving it down with her hands, and they're like, oh,

[Ben Mandelker]

no, this is so Roddy's like, you're

[Ronnie Caram]

starting to insult the host. What's the throwback to Ben?

[Ben Mandelker]

I was gonna say Sarah eating the bow off of Heather Dubrow's cake. It's not.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, yeah, totally the same thing. Same level of class. For sure.

[Ben Mandelker]

For sure.

[Ronnie Caram]

So we go to Margot, and she's like, I don't know if these are meant to be them, but I'm gonna eat them.

[Ben Mandelker]

Or British. It's a British. So it's like a. So, Micah. They're all just, like, so uncomfortable with how, like, gauche Margot is being right now. She's like, I'm starving. I'm not drinking my calories. I need food. And I was like, okay, well, they've started their tea over there. Privately, I suppose. I didn't realize that you had invited people to do that.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, I might not say it, but you know what I'm thinking? Because my head tilts and my eyes half clothes, and I look sort of Exhausted.

[Ben Mandelker]

Are you getting? And they're like. They're like, okay, I guess we'll start tea. So Martha's like, oh, okay, time to start here. Well, I don't. I don't want to be a tartar, which we see is someone who is strict or bad tempered, which I love. I'm like, oh, I'm such a tartar right now. Better get some food in my belly.

[Ronnie Caram]

So they're like, oh, my God, what do you guys have to like, cream first or jam first? What do we do? And Martha's like, I have. I have cream and then jam. Sorry, sue me.

[Ben Mandelker]

When I. I went to. When I went to my scone making class in London two years ago, they told me all about this big debate that rages across all of England, which is, when you have your scone, do you put the jam on first or do you put the cream on first? And I was like, well, obviously in my mind, I was like, well, obviously you would start with, like, the clotted cream and then put the jam on top. And I was like, that's the only way to do it. But I have to say, I did try it as an experiment with the jam first and the cream on top, which felt weird. It felt weird to spread cream on top of the jam. But it was quite delicious that way. I'm not gonna lie. I, Loki, may have liked it even more. Is that strange?

[Ronnie Caram]

I'm still fighting with people about how to make a peanut butter sandwich. You glop the peanut butter on there, then you glop on the jelly on top of the peanut butter, and you close the sandwich.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know jelly gets. People fight me every time you close them together.

[Ronnie Caram]

I don't want even jelly. I want little clumps of jelly around the sandwich. That's it.

[Ben Mandelker]

It. No, it should be a romance. One has one bread, one has another bread, and the two bread bring them together in a meet cute. But they are not. They do not start on top of each other. They do not start hooking up. Okay.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. So it's like a glob. Like, imagine, like what. What do you. What do army people wear? It's called camouflage. It's supposed to look like camouflage. There's the peanut butter and then there's just jelly kind of swimming around. There's little glops, little pieces, like waves throughout there. That's art. That's how you make a peanut butter jelly. When you put the jelly on the bread first, you put the jelly all over the bread, it's even. And then it soaks into the bread and makes the bread a little bit wet with. It's not how you do it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes, I want. I personally love when you bite into a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. As you bite into it, you get that kind of like, cold rush of the jelly, like a nice cold jelly. And then all of a sudden, you get that layer of peanut butter. And I feel like if you just get speckles of jelly, you're really just getting peanut butter with, like, jelly accents. And I want, like, I want. I want layers.

[Ronnie Caram]

No, it's not speckles.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's globs.

[Ronnie Caram]

So you get lobs. So you get like a nice big jelly. And the next one could be almost all peanut butter. You know, it keeps it interesting. It's like a dance. It's a dance in your mouth. But you know what? Some people are artists and some people aren't.

[Ben Mandelker]

So I. I review.

[Ronnie Caram]

There's no offense to non artists. We need people to clean our homes.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't want. If I actually, literally, if I bite into a peanut butter and jelly sandwich and I get all peanut butter, I will be actively upset. I want there to be. I want there to be the ratio. The ratio, but of both of them in each bite.

[Ronnie Caram]

You know, I want consistency. Listen, I think a good thing about friendship is when you accept when your friend is wrong. I think that's super important. And I accept you. I still love you.

[Ben Mandelker]

I love you too. Despite.

[Ronnie Caram]

I'm never eating one of your sandwiches. But I love you. So, Missy, they're going over this, like, cream first. Martha's makes more sense to me. You. She believes in cream. First you put the cream like the butter, and then you put the jam. That's how I agree.

[Ben Mandelker]

Do it too. Same. And that's. Honestly, that's still really how I. When I've. I've done it. When I've sort of, like, done a fake version of it here at home. But, like, I'm just. I'm here to report that when you do the jelly first, it works shockingly well. Way better than you'd ever expect.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. Okay, so make a scone after this. Missy's like, I didn't know there was a way of eating a scone. We know Missy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Missy's learning so many things this season.

[Ronnie Caram]

Missy literally doesn't know anything. Like, that's what. So she's. She's literally surprised. She's surprised by doorbells. It's like, oh, my God, what is that? Someone's at the door. What a good idea. I just go to the door. I open it every day just seeing when people are there. Sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't.

[Ben Mandelker]

Lottie, meanwhile, is like. She's trying so hard not to fangirl out. She's like, it really doesn't get more British than this. Sipping tea in this beautiful orangery in the grounds of the Longleat Manor with the lady and Marchioness of Bath. It's every little girl's dream come true. And I'm just pretending I'm one of Emma's little ladies in waiting. And then a gorilla burst through and ripped her head off. It's how I want to die.

[Ronnie Caram]

So anyway, it's your first visit here. Some of you, if you want to know any information, let me know. I just feel like I talk about it a lot and I sound insane. You know, look. Look at those gorillas waiting for tea. Time to eat their tea. You know, I know it can sound old, but, you know, if you need something to just call me.

[Ben Mandelker]

I did love when she goes, I talk about this so much and I probably sound insane when I talk about it. I. I see.

[Ronnie Caram]

I think I promised myself not to open up any more snack times by bragging about the rhinoceros that we've impregnated with a penguin placenta.

[Ben Mandelker]

So, I mean, Emmy, Emma does have, like a very rise sense of humor that's way more low key than like Martha and Kimmy and Mark, but I really enjoy it. So then Latte is saying how she has so much respect for Emma and, like, you really see the scale and the scope of all the things that she's doing here in Longleat, and she's an amazing role model. And I've decided I'm going to make a giant suit for this house. There. It's happening.

[Ronnie Caram]

So they just keep making small talk about the place and telling him that she's doing amazing. And she's like, you know, you know, the important thing is, like, you meet, you meet and you. Sorry. You meet your husband, you get married, and you have to come into this kind of thing and then you have to make it better. Like it's a whole job, you know, that you have to make better. And I said a couple weeks ago that this reminded me of Ladies of London original with the chick who was the heir of Sandwich, the Earl of Sandwich or whatever. And she's like, oh, my God, how are we going to keep it open? Chub balls. We're making Jules balls and we're going to sell them. We're going to do yoga classes on the lawn fun. And this operation is just so much bigger. And Emma's just so much more in charge. I know. They really one upped their game here.

[Ben Mandelker]

For sure. They really did. Earl of. Earl of Sandwich is definitely being upstaged by Longleat, that's for sure.

[Ronnie Caram]

Although I was at Disneyland recently and they had an Earl of Sandwich shop. And I thought, God damn it. Julie. Still working it. Good for you, babe.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. It almost makes me wonder if there's a British analog for the corn dog castle that they have at California Adventure. Sure. There's, like, that corn dog castle is based off of the country estate of Lady Loch Ness or something.

[Ronnie Caram]

So they're talking about how she. Margo's like, wow, to get married for love and then end up in this role is big. Like, you're so good at it. That's crazy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And. And then. Then Kimmy's like, by the way, do you have, like, a teddy for Mimi? Mimi wants a giraffe or teddy. Which was funny because when Kimmy asked this question, the camera, like, zooms in on her. And when she goes, by the way, I was like, oh, here comes. She's gonna spill it. She's gonna. Kimmy's about to say something vicious, and then when she's like, do you have a teddy bear for my child? I was really caught off guard by that. You know, once in a while, I do act like a soft myself getting a toy for my child. But, you know, it's what a mom has to do once in a while.

[Ronnie Caram]

All right, let me just rewrite that so no one. No one starts disrespecting me, all right? I need something for my child. You have a teddy bear or a bottle of vodka.

[Ben Mandelker]

How about. Did you have a tiaras? And Emma's like, oh, you can't have it, Mark. And it turns out that there's, like, this very big, prominent tiara that belongs to the estate. And then Martha explained, she goes, well, at Buckingham palace, the gift shop, they have some really good fake tiaras. I watched the Caledonian Ball, and everyone was like, oh, my God, your tia is amazing. I said, good. I wanted the Buckingham Balance gift shop.

[Ronnie Caram]

But what about that tiara that you're wearing in your wedding photo? Em, I should say. Oh, it's. It's on display in my dress. And so we see the dress and tier on display in the house, and Lottie's like, oh, so it's real jewels passed down. Is that something that each person wears? And they're like, yes, that's the Waymouth tiara.

[Ben Mandelker]

I love how, like, the, the people of, like a certain class in Britain of like a certain, certain amount of wealth, they don't really have to be bit like, they don't have to be burdened with knowing things about the world. So they're just like, like stuffed with all this information about various jewels and artifacts of the aristocracy. Oh, of course, the Waymother tiara. I don't. If I could have worn that to the Caledonian Ball, I would have, but I couldn't.

[Ronnie Caram]

So they're talking about how Lottie's like, I would just wear that when I'm sad and everyone laughs and him and goes, yeah, just lie on the floor watching Family Guy wrapped in a blanket tiara, see smoke and wonder why. If there will ever come a day where you don't smell like rhinoceros shit. I get it, I get it. Actually,

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm sure Mark was very confused with the Family Guy reference. He's like, unless it's the Sims, I don't really know what you're talking about.

[Ronnie Caram]

That's a great one. In the bathroom, crying, I put my tear on. So now they move to outside where there's more tables and more waiters and more things, more things to serve them. And Kimmy and Mark are walking around arm in arm, laughing at nothing. And Martha's like, English country weekends are quite a lot about drinking because English culture is drinking. Yeah. When you go to the countryside, you start with a drink on the way you arrive, you have drinks of tea, you go back to your room, you have another drink before dinner, then you have pre dinner drinks, then you have drinks at dinner on. You go back to your room, you have more drinks. Drinks. What else you do in the countryside?

[Ben Mandelker]

Sounds like fun.

[Ronnie Caram]

Sounds like my childhood.

[Ben Mandelker]

Jesus. Yeah, so Martha's talking to Margo. She's about, you and Kimmy seem to be getting along well. She was like, well, yeah, which is great because I just really needed a break. I mean, my. To my face, she's super nice, but I don't know what she's cackling about behind my back. Well, yes, darling, but whatever people say about us behind our backs is actually none of our business. She's like, shut the up. Who cares?

[Ronnie Caram]

Lisa Min is like, I wrote that. I came up with that one. So then we go to Mark with Lottie and Missy sitting down. And Lottie's like, when I spoke to Margot. Oh, God, don't start this, please. It's so fun. So I spoke to Margot in the cottage. I was trying to explain to her that you weren't being nasty. But she wasn't having any effect, and she's not listening, and I think you two need a conversation. He goes, well, listen, that's fine. I'm very sorry about that. But equally, I'm sorry about the vpl. And Missy's like, what? What does vpl?

[Ben Mandelker]

And then we see that she actually does have a vpl. It's pretty prominent in her dress. America's like, vpl was a well known thing when I was growing up. There's more underwear than dress. I think it's bad to have a visible thong at the beach. I think it's worse at Longleat House. It's just not chic. I will never be close to someone who walks around in a transparent dress, But I have worn a fucking transparent dress. I'm like, oh, so this is why she was cast for this moment. To be like, see, wait a minute, I'm a bit transparent.

[Ronnie Caram]

And she goes, maybe it's just Mogul because he liked my transparent dress. Lottie's like, well, my dress tomorrow is transparent, so I guess we won't be friends. And they start laughing.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Missy's like, I'm the transparent queen.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, they're cracking up. And this is why they can be friends and Margot can't, you know, because they're like, he's just being an idiot, you know? So Missy says, I mean, it's personal. He's not giving in. It doesn't make sense. Like, why doesn't he just talk to her? There's something behind it. I think you guys need to have a conversation. Mark, it's like, I do not think that we need a conversation.

[Ben Mandelker]

Just say nothing, then just say, hi, hi, bye, bye. You know what I mean?

[Ronnie Caram]

Point taken. Thank you so much for that. Thank you.

[Ben Mandelker]

So I just think that it will be better that way.

[Ronnie Caram]

Fine. I'll temper my craziness. By the way, you know, look marvelous, ravishing, fantastic, glorious.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, I don't want you to temper your craziness.

[Ronnie Caram]

And he said, well, maybe I will. So now Lottie's like, I just don't like people being upset and crying. Oh, God, if people are gonna cry over their underwear, then they should wear different underwear.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's not crying about that. Know that You've been making fun of her underwear, yet Micah is like, they're like, okay, whatever. Micah's like, by the way, my underwear is loose right now. Is that bad etiquette?

[Ronnie Caram]

You see, she's owning her underwear. Well, that's how to do it. It's like. I think the elastic wore off. So what should I do?

[Ben Mandelker]

Like your husband. Is it like your husband? Is your underwear leaving you?

[Ronnie Caram]

I'm sorry. He slagged off. It's different. So everyone comes over except Martha and Margot. So Margot's just, like, sitting over there with pouty face. And Emma's explaining the house and how it's open to the public and anyone can just walk into the house. And Lottie's like, but with the stories of Kimmy falling down the stairs and rolling over everywhere. And Emma's like, that was right here. Actually, lots of people saw that. She's in a lot of family photos from that year.

[Ben Mandelker]

Look, we put up a plaque. This is called the Kimmy Rolling around down the Stairs Garden.

[Ronnie Caram]

I remember being in bed once, and a tour came through the room midday. There was a family there taking pictures while the tour guide said, this is the tightest ass in all of England.

[Ben Mandelker]

I remember that. I was on that tour. Oh, that was you, Lottie. So Emma is like, oh, yes. I've seen people in dressing gowns loads of times. You see me in 990. Quite often people recognize me and say nice things like, oh, thank you, or something. And I have nice little interactions with visitors, or they don't recognize me, and I'll just be like, the loo is that way.

[Ronnie Caram]

I don't know.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's so funny to meet Emma. Being like, hello.

[Ronnie Caram]

Having tourists walk around. You're in your nightgown with some Ben and Jerry's in your hand. It lives that way. All right. So now Missy goes over to sit with Margot, who's refusing to join the group. And meanwhile, Kimmy's asking, what happened. She's like, why? Why are chairs being pulled away from the main group? What's going on? And so at the other table, Missy's like, I spoke to him. He doesn't understand what he does, you know. And I think, you know, I said, you upset her. And he says, you know, you don't come to Longleat with a transparent dress that you can see your underwear. And I said, I wear transparent dresses. Why are you reporting all of this?

[Ben Mandelker]

This is not the part that you should be saying.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

And I said, you can't do that. Not acceptable. He's like, okay, I take your notes. I'm going to stop. Do it. So it's like, I don't think he's understanding. He's actually doing it. And I. I was like, you actually, like, really upset her. And he was like, okay, fine. And I said, I always wear transparent dresses. Mar's like, what are you talking about? Wait, so he's making fun of this dress? I mean, it's an Aliyah. It's an Aleya Aaliyah. Okay? He's a very important designer. Haven't you seen Clueless? Oh, Alaia. Aliyah. That's what it was. I was like, aaliyah doesn't sound right. Aaliyah.

[Ronnie Caram]

I was just cringe. Haven't you seen it? I was like, oh, my God. I'm watching it, darling. So Marcus, like, okay, so it's fine for I'm gonna wear a crop top with her tummy out, which, by the way, she looks incredible. But, like, I'm not allowed to wear a sheer dress where you can see the shape of my figure. I mean, whatever. My dress is amazing. And Martha's like, your dress is amazing. You look incredible, darling. Come on. So Kimmy sees, and she's like, what's going on over there?

[Ben Mandelker]

Fireworks.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, looks like a fest to me.

[Ben Mandelker]

Love that. So then Emma goes over to that table. She's like, you all right? She's like, oh, hi, darling. Yeah, well, we're just having some, like, very, very annoying conversations. By the way, Margot, you're the one who's whipped yourself into a frenzy about today. There was nothing. Nothing happened today. You are now. You have made yourself. But you put yourself on this island, and there's been no. There's been no conflict.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, they kind of made her because they keep coming over and reporting. But she's like, you need to have my back and go talk to Mark for me. So they're talking to Mark for him reporting back, and then she gets mad.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Missy's like, well, we love Mark. He's our friend. But he gives her a compliment. And then he leaves, and he says a really ugly thing about her, and he's gonna stop doing that. You know, it's like, oh. Emma's like, yeah, he's not gonna stop. So what's next? Now we have tea.

[Ronnie Caram]

Have you considered that maybe that just makes him look bad? So just maybe think about that. You may put so much effort into taking care of everyone. It's meant to be fun. This isn't fun. So back to Mark. He's like, oh, we were having such a lovely time. We still are. We still are having a lovely time.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, it's divine. It's divine. Micah's like, it is. You're not part of this. Okay, sorry.

[Ronnie Caram]

You guys are so funny. Well, I think her true self is coming up. That's what's happening. Lottie's like, well, you two have been getting along. And she's. Well, I didn't do it. Anything. I actually didn't do anything tonight. And I. I don't. Now that she's being cunty, I just feel like I should join in.

[Ben Mandelker]

Guys, are we ever going to address my underwear situation? Isn't it crazy that the elastic broke? Oh, be quiet. My God. So then back to Margo's table. Emma's like. I mean, he's got this very kind, properly genuine, amazingly deep side, but he doesn't tend to ever express that. And I'm not defending anything that's made you upset, but I do think you should just tell him so we can move on from this, because I'm quite bored right now.

[Ronnie Caram]

Tell him. And she's like, yeah, just. I'm gonna get it on in person type of thing, you know, Just go say something. I can't not say things. You should say things. And they're like, yeah, do it. Do it, Margo. Do it. And she goes, well, I'm more than happy to. Then, fine. Like, everyone just wants to squash it. Okay, great. So now everyone can see that I'm not the person not squashing it. I. I'm up for squash.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Emma goes back to Mark's table. She's like, well, she's just upset by your sense of humor. I feel. It's like, well, that's what I said. So Mark's like, oh, Cricket. No, not Mark. Mark, I think you and Margot need to have a chat. And Kim's like, God. Oh, God. I really don't think it's necessary. I'm very, very happy.

[Ronnie Caram]

Mark, please go. Just make peace. I mean, she's making a stink out of it. No offense. No, guys, please have never been happier. I'm not moving. But I adore you, and I respect you. Well, I adore you, too. But she's very hurt by things that you said. Oh, well, she'll get over it. And if she doesn't, I don't care. Not my problem.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, my God, Mark. Well, if she's hurt about crushed velvet, she needs to find a new material that isn't transparent.

[Ronnie Caram]

But also this whole thing of Margot just sitting at a table by herself just like. Like, having someone sent for is ridiculous. Like, it is. Fine. You go get him, and I'll talk to him. It's like, will you go into the principal's office? Like, get over yourself, lady.

[Ben Mandelker]

And the table's like, not that far. Away either. So Margo can hear everything. That's her special skill. Also. She's like, mark, I can hear you. You're just being nasty. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Just nasty. Just nasty. That's all he's being.

[Ronnie Caram]

He is, though. Well, I am nasty. Mark, just come over here and talk to her. She's like, yeah, come here, Mark, what's wrong? What are you scared of? Just come chat with me. He's like, darling, we were sitting right next to each other 10 minutes ago.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, so come sit with me now, Mark. Come on, Mark. Come on, please, Mark. He's like, no, there's not. There's no arguing at long late. There's no arguing at long lead. Everyone is perfectly happy. Come on, Mark. Go on, Mark, come on.

[Ronnie Caram]

Stop clapping your hands at me, please, darling. And don't shimmy either. Mark, come on. Everyone just wants us to have a chat so it calms down. He's like, oh, my God, this is so vulgar. I might have to leave.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, that's it.

[Ronnie Caram]

I'm going to go. I'm going back to the Bath Arms of all places. I'd rather be in a pub than be around you.

[Ben Mandelker]

I have to leave.

[Ronnie Caram]

I'm not going to turn this into a. Into a. A vulgar, vulgar day.

[Ben Mandelker]

Darling, relax.

[Ronnie Caram]

No, no, I'm going to go. Love you all. Please demike me. Please.

[Ben Mandelker]

Margo, he did nothing wrong. Well, if I. If he. If I knew that he. That that was all I had to do was just go talk to him to make him leave, I would have gone talk to him a long time ago.

[Ronnie Caram]

I don't think that's fair that he has to leave. You're screaming at him across the garden. It's like, well, why didn't he just come sit with me? Well, why did he leave? Why did you leave this table and start screaming at him? Well, I asked him to come talk to me. Oh, well, that's real is what it is. That's real, Betty of y'. All.

[Ben Mandelker]

I asked him to come to me and he left. I wanted to give him the opportunity to come over here to talk. Well, why don't you come over here? You love the table. He doesn't want to talk. It's rude is what it is. You're being a.

[Ronnie Caram]

So she just gets up and follows Mark out. So you're a bat. She goes, well, you would now. Oh, cry baby, bitch. Cry baby. The ups. Change your diaper.

[Ben Mandelker]

You're the one who cries. Oh, off, Margol. You can see it was so great. And. But also like I personally, not to get too deep about it, but there was something about Margo sitting at that table and being like, what are you scared of? What are you scared of? Mark. I felt like I saw Mark as a child there being bullied for being this gay little boy, right? Like, I not to bring. I'm not trying to project anything as a gay man into this, but I could see in that moment, like, I could. I feel like I could see a window into his psychology and, like, I totally understood why he was like, I'm leaving. Even though Mark is totally obnoxious, but funny obnoxious, as opposed to Margot, who's not funny obnoxious, although she's actually funny. But the point is, I could totally see Mark having an internal spiral and he's like, I cannot be seen by showing emotion right now. Must. D Mike. D, Mike.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, I didn't see it as bullying any more than I see her stuff. Like, when she's saying it's bullying. I don't really think it's bullying. I mean, I think he's being an asshole. He is being shady and he's saying mean things, you know, but she's also sitting over there talking behind his bed. They're children. They're acting like children.

[Ben Mandelker]

They are like children.

[Ronnie Caram]

I think that it does. I think it does veer on bullying. In the clips we see where she's like, you're such a weirdo. Why do you talk like that? And, like, your dad left you and, like, he won't even talk. Like, a lot of that is like, yeah, that could be due to gay stuff. Like, so I think she does kind of veer towards there in the future. But so far I just think she's an asshole. And I kind of like that. He's like, I'm not going to go over there and scream and fight with a woman. Like, I'm sorry, I'm not doing it. I know that you guys want me to on this show. And she clearly, because clearly she wants to have a fight so she can be like, oh, my God, misogynist. He's such an asshole to me. Do all this stuff and he's not going to fall into the trap. And so I think, you know, good for him. But at the same time, if you don't want someone wanting to talk to you, then maybe stop, like, dissing them at the top of your lungs. That's still Team Mark, because I like him. Just like everybody else on the show. I will choose his side because he's at least entertaining. And Margo's just cloying with this at this point.

[Ben Mandelker]

Margo's annoying, but great show, great show, great episode. Thanks, everyone, for being here. We hope you all have a wonderful weekend. Make sure you hop on that boat with Ronnie, because you guys are gonna have an amazing time. And I can't wait to hear the stories when you get back on Monday.

[Ronnie Caram]

And should be good times, a whole

[Ben Mandelker]

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