Rosie (2:42)

enthusiasm As a lot of people on Rhode island have been. Not.

Ben Mandelker (2:45)

That's not a negative. I've been really enjoying it, but, like, people have been like, oh, my God, this show's amazing. But, like, for me, I'm like, it was.

Rosie (2:51)

It's been a little bit more of

Ben Mandelker (2:52)

a slow burn, but I feel like the show is really starting to come together. I'm feeling like it's. The cast is starting to gel nicely, and I was just, like, cracking up through so much of this, so. I was a fan. I was a fan. What did you think?

Ronnie Karam (3:07)

I think the aunties need the show. The aunties need to be on the show. For me, every time. Every time they're on, I'm like, this is it. This is the show. I like the show. I think it's pretty good. I'm still. I'm still very confused about what's going on through a lot of it, but I've started to Google, and then I've realized I'm. I'm confused because they're all in the Mafia, and that's why they're not able to talk about anything. So. Yeah, that made it more fun. I mean, I kind of knew there were Mafia rumors, but I didn't realize it was like, the. The cast. The cast is. It's like Mob Wives. It's like a new Mob Wives, which I kind of like.

Ben Mandelker (3:41)

Yeah. This is, like, the first time I've been scared to recap a show because I'm like, if I say the wrong thing about Dino, I could literally get kills. Well, like, it's. It's like, it might happen. It might. It's. If I get. If I get murdered, you guys just know. You guys know where to look. Okay.

Ronnie Karam (3:57)

I've always had a feeling I'm going to get taken out by someone I'm talking shit about on. On this podcast. And I would much prefer it to be someone like Kyle Richards, you know, like, just make someone that crazy that they finally kill you or whatever. So I wouldn't be psyched if it was Dino, but I would figure. I mean, I knew this was coming. Like, when I saw that gun being pointed at me, I'd be like, oh, God, Really? In a sabaro.

Ben Mandelker (4:20)

I know.

Ronnie Karam (4:21)

You know, God. Sound going.

Rosie (4:24)

I would.

Ben Mandelker (4:24)

You know, if I. I'm with you. Like, if. If I'm gonna get murdered by someone that I talk about one of these shows, I want it to be high profile. I want to be like. Like a rageful Tamra Judge, you know?

Ronnie Karam (4:35)

Yeah.

Ben Mandelker (4:36)

Headlines for a year. But if It's Dino. It'll be like an.

Rosie (4:39)

Oddly enough. Oddly enough, a local Rhode island man killed a podcaster.

Ben Mandelker (4:46)

I'm like, oh, I don't want to be in the.

Ronnie Karam (4:48)

Yeah, I want a bigger story. Yeah, totally. I want a much bigger story. So we start with Alicia. She's with her husband Bill at Pizza

Ashley (4:58)

Baba, and she's, like, going to the beach, so I want to get some pizza, you know? So, Chessy, you know, I think we

Rula (5:03)

should talk about maybe doing, like, red T shirts and black T shirts, you know? Right? Because, like, white gets dirty, right? Girls.

Ronnie Karam (5:08)

And the girls behind the register, like, oh, yeah. Oh, my God.

Rula (5:11)

Yeah. White gets dirty easily. You're so smart, Alicia. You deserve half of this business.

Ben Mandelker (5:16)

Yeah. This was like her Shark Tank moment when they're like, look at her. Look at the. Look at her innovations.

Rula (5:22)

This is how I give to my husband's business. White shirts get dirty.

Ben Mandelker (5:27)

But that being said, I will always remember. Dare I invoke this? I was a big Apprentice fan back in the day, and I remember one time they had a challenge that, like, a hotel challenge, and they, like, they had to, like, redesign chef uniforms. And I remember Ivanka Trump one time, as the, you know, judicious consultant to her father, was like, why did you change? Why. Why did you decide not to use white as the fabric? Because the reason why we use white for these sort of things is that they bleach really easily, and so you can clean them and get the stains out like a breeze. And I remember at that time thinking that Ivanka Trump is so smart. Like, I can't believe Ivanka thought of that. It's amazing. She is so bright. Meanwhile, there's probably a producer in her ear saying, ivanka, could you please bring up this point? And telling her what to say. But either way, I've always remembered Ivanka Trump saying that with these sort of things, white is actually the better fabric because you can bleach it and clean it very easily, and it's.

Ronnie Karam (6:23)

Isn't that crazy? And then all these years later, her father is still saying, white is better. White is better. Every second he gets the chance, he

Ben Mandelker (6:30)

really took it to heart.

Ronnie Karam (6:31)

Really, really did. Yeah. I remember those days back when you had, like, Ivanka posters in your room and stuff.

Ben Mandelker (6:37)

I loved Ivanka back then.

Ronnie Karam (6:39)

Loved her.

Ben Mandelker (6:39)

Before I knew. Before I knew what was going to happen.

Ronnie Karam (6:42)

That was right when car wrapping came out and you had your. Your Toyota wrapped with, like, an Ivanka face.

Ben Mandelker (6:47)

Number one Ivanka fan. But the irony, though, is that, like, we've Seen plenty of chefs wearing.

Ronnie Karam (6:54)

Used to be like, hey, I made some cookies. Ivanka, cookie. I'm like, okay. All right. It's getting. It's getting to be a little bit much. Ben, reel it in.

Ben Mandelker (7:03)

It was. It was too much. Too much. Yeah. But anyway, I'm sorry to evoke Ivanka, but let's be honest. We know where Alicia voted, so she's probably very happy about this. So anyway, she. She's innovating at the pizza mama. And then we got a ruler's house. Ruler. Ruler's putting out a chair in the backyard. She's like, it's really fun watching you guys work. And it's just talking to her kids because the kids are, like, asking for some money. And.

Ashley (7:32)

Yeah, like, you owe me 50 bucks for doing work, mama. You owe me 50 bucks.

Ronnie Karam (7:38)

So, okay.

Ben Mandelker (7:40)

Yeah, I was gonna say one kid

Rosie (7:42)

is like, I get 92. 2000 million, and a hundred dollars.

Ben Mandelker (7:48)

You know, which. It's considered a real monetary amount on this show, I think, well, what can you do? She deserves 90,000.

Rosie (7:56)

2 million, $45. That's a real number.

Ronnie Karam (8:00)

Bill's like, yeah, get this cleaned up. My mistress is coming over later to take a picture by that banister, get it dusted. We'll talk about this in crappy hour, but that shit was crazy. So after the episode last week, it came out that the mistress posted a picture of. On her Instagram of herself at Rula's house in front of the banister with the same neighbor in back. So it was very obviously her house. Like, she did it on purpose to out herself as the mistress. And then Bill sued her because apparently he had her sign an NDA when he started fucking her. I mean, that is a slime ball. I mean, if your husband is putting that much thought into having an affair, that's crazy. He's like, all right, I'm going to fuck you, toots. But first, find this NDA. So he's suing her for breaking the NDA Instagram. Very classy guy. Super classy.

Ben Mandelker (8:48)

This guy is garbage. Yeah, someone. There's no one more appropriate to put their foot in their mouth than a podiatrist. Give me another Deborah rim shot on that one. There we go.

Ronnie Karam (9:00)

Let's go to Joellen's house. Joellen is packing. She's going for a work trip. She's like, gary, I'm gonna need help

Rula (9:08)

bringing my suitcase down. I'm just trying to think of everything

Ronnie Karam (9:10)

I need because I'm a little nervous about this trip. I love working. I love Working.

Rula (9:14)

I'm going to Chicago. It's my mid year, Sal.

Ronnie Karam (9:17)

Honestly, when I'm on my work trips,

Rula (9:18)

it's not that relaxing. Like it's non stop back to back.

Ronnie Karam (9:21)

I like working. I could stay at home, you know, Choice is not for me. I can go to sleep with dishes in the sink.

Rula (9:26)

There, I said it. I said it.

Ben Mandelker (9:29)

It's like, okay, it was like a whirlwind Jo Ellen monologue about chores. And we're out of the scene already. And now we go to Liz's house. Liz is wearing some crazy bathing suit top thing or whatever where it's like, it just was like, comes in and it's like a, it's like a weird, like it's like an isthmus of fabric across her stomach.

Ronnie Karam (9:49)

Liz's fashion is amazing on this show. It's crazy. It's so tacky. It's her. The fashion ones to just laugh at every week are her and Rosie. Rosie looks insane. I don't even know what the fuck she's right. But Liz, like, in one, she has a snake. And it's not just like a diamond snake, it's like a huge stuffed diamond snake that's like coming off of her shirt and about to eat her face. Then she's wearing one. Like the flowery dress that she wears looks like one of those things when you get on a roller coaster and you pull down the bars and it's like, it's like that, but it's all flowers. I mean, she, they dress so crazy on this show. It cracks me up.

Ben Mandelker (10:24)

Rosie looks like someone who is on a shipwreck and washed up on a remote island. And the locals who saved her, she had to, she had to tell them that she was a rhythmic gymnast in order for them not to persecute her. And so then they were so excited that they sewed her outfits for their local rhythmic gymnastics competitions. And she has to just go on with the, with the ruse. Like that's what I think her, her fashion style looks like.

Ronnie Karam (10:48)

And she debuted a new one tonight that was all like different colored glass, like sea glass or something. Like, I mean, crazy going off the

Ben Mandelker (10:57)

side of her arm. It doesn't make it.

Rosie (11:00)

And the thing is, it's like her

Ben Mandelker (11:01)

vibe is kind of like, ugh, that's stupid. Why would you do that? That's stupid. She's stupid. Look at those old people. Weird people. That's stupid. So you would think she would look at some of these fashions, be like, that's stupid. Why would I wear that? But Instead, I think she sees like a pink feather and is like, I want it. Put it all over.

Ronnie Karam (11:18)

That's me. My breast, that's me. That pink feather. Put it on me.

Rula (11:21)

Get it on. Get a glue gun. Get a glue gun over here.

Ronnie Karam (11:24)

So Liz, Dolores is coming to Liz's house. And Liz says, hello.

Ashley (11:28)

What's your sight for? Sore eyes.

Rula (11:31)

Secure sight for sores.

Ronnie Karam (11:32)

We have the same eyes. Did the same.

Liz (11:36)

Yeah. Hey.

Ashley (11:37)

Wow.

Liz (11:37)

Some on Jerry's bananas.

Ben Mandelker (11:39)

And we see there's this enormous bowl of bananas like this looks like a trophy that Donkey Kong would win. And so we see it and look us. Does he eat that many bananas?

Liz (11:49)

Nah. He ordered six bananas yesterday to be delivered. That's what came.

Ben Mandelker (11:53)

So we clearly went on to Instacart and hit six on the bananas, thinking you'd get six individual bananas and got six bundles of bananas.

Ronnie Karam (12:03)

When. When you ask a man to do a woman's job, am I right? She. I asked, I asked my guy to help me flip a house once. Not a pebble tile. Not one pebble tile in the whole place.

Liz (12:16)

Let's do a little sage ceremony.

Ben Mandelker (12:18)

So they're going to do a sage ceremony to sage out the fighting. And at some point in the middle of this, I just want to point out, Liz makes like a little iced coffee thing. Like she clearly poured some like Trader Joe's like iced coffee over some ice in a glass and she hands it to Dolores and Dolores goes, this is beautiful. Thank you. I just cracked up. It was like sort of average, like milky looking beverage. This is beautiful. Beautiful. So much. Absolutely beautiful. I'll never betray you.

Ashley (12:48)

Well, you know, I gotta sage the place because Joellen got down my throat here the other night. We've gotta take care of them.

Ronnie Karam (12:58)

And so we see a flashback to Joellen being like, oh, you don't want to admit it. You don't want to admit it. And Ruler saying, he's not having an affair. Okay. And now we're back and Dolores is saying, well, you know, she's hanging on a husband with every last thing she has. She loves him. And here comes Joellen over here. Have you met my husband?

Rula (13:15)

I don't think you have. Hi.

Ronnie Karam (13:16)

I just felt so bad for her, you know, and then I got a little bit upset.

Rula (13:20)

I got a little bit upset.

Liz (13:22)

Yeah, but at the end of the day, you get nothing for nothing for me. And if it's over, I don't know why she's white knuckling so much.

Rosie (13:30)

And Liz tells us Ruler is the boss at work.

Liz (13:34)

However, I Don't know how much she is as a wife, but the constant denial, running away from or from it or pointing the finger somewhere else, it's only gonna make it faster.

Ashley (13:44)

More

Ronnie Karam (13:48)

so.

Ashley (13:49)

Liz is like, you know, I played the latter part of the night over and over in my head and I'm disgusted by my reaction. Disgusted it by myself. I came across as a better drunken witch. That's how I came across.

Ronnie Karam (14:04)

That was a menopause moment. That's what we call a menopause moment.

Liz (14:09)

Yeah, yeah. Combination of that and I drank too

Rosie (14:12)

much, just lost my shit.

Liz (14:13)

Plus all these fucking bananas in the house. How could you even keep a scene in mind? You know what I'm saying?

Ashley (14:17)

Cut to Liz being like, you fake ass bitch, you. Fuck you, Kelsey. Fuck off, Kelsey. All right?

Liz (14:26)

You know, because with Kelsey, I felt like she co signed on a lie to avoid her own issues with this person that she didn't want out because I didn't know if it was dating, but it was hooking up. But Kelsey and you know, for a brief moment was a romantic relationship, not.

Ashley (14:44)

Not what I had.

Liz (14:45)

Okay? Radically different from what I had. But like, you know, people made it seem like we had some type of.

Ronnie Karam (14:55)

And then we see a flashback to this non torrid affair and she's like,

Ashley (14:58)

I just want to go down to the sea wall with Jerry and Dino. That's it. I gotta go to the seawall. You're starting this ship with me when I want to go to the seawall.

Ben Mandelker (15:09)

But I think because of the ongoing, you know.

Ashley (15:13)

Ongoing. What's this ongoing seawall? It's just a fucking seawall.

Liz (15:21)

You can't constantly. Can't go to seawall where your husband, who only comes around three days a year, the guy spend the rest of your time where you can't do that no more. I don't mind. Goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye.

Ashley (15:32)

So for Kelsey, speaking of the ongoing, you know, it was nothing and I hate the word ongoing, as you might have noticed, you know, and something that she knew truly affected me. It was triggering to me. It was triggering. That's it.

Liz (15:47)

Here you go.

Rosie (15:47)

Here's your iced coffee. And also I made a fruit salad.

Ben Mandelker (15:50)

Oh, yeah. Oh, this is beautiful. This is beautiful. You know what? This is almost as good as riding in the same car with someone. My loyalty for life is what you have.

Ronnie Karam (16:00)

Do you still trust? Do you still trust Kelsey?

Ashley (16:03)

That might take a minute, Delores. That might take a minute. Because you know what? It's not every day you have some

Rula (16:09)

bitch come up to you and say, I'm going.

Rosie (16:13)

It is one of the most vile

Liz (16:15)

words in the English language. Ongoing.

Rosie (16:19)

Okay.

Ashley (16:21)

Terrible. I hate the C word.

Ronnie Karam (16:25)

Cut. Fitness.

Ashley (16:26)

Ongoing. I hate it.

Ronnie Karam (16:28)

Horrible word.

Rosie (16:30)

It's a C word because you only say it by the sea anyway.

Rula (16:34)

You only say it when you're on

Ashley (16:35)

your way to the seawall.

Rosie (16:41)

Well, you know what?

Ben Mandelker (16:42)

Was it handled wrong? Yes. You owe an apology. Yes, you do.

Rosie (16:45)

And she has to decide about moving on.

Ben Mandelker (16:47)

And you want to move on from this. Fruits of salad. Absolutely delicious. Especially with the spiced coffee.

Liz (16:51)

It's like, I feel like she owes me one too, though. I feel like she owes me that too.

Ben Mandelker (16:57)

Liz does this thing when she's pissed. She smiles really broadly. And later on in the episode, she's questioning why people are intimidated by her. It's like, because you have the scariest smile on Bravo. Because the more you smile, the more we see how furious you are at someone. That's a terrifying thing when someone is really angry, but they smile at you when they're angry. It's a. It's a really, really scary thing.

Ronnie Karam (17:23)

Yeah, she's got that down for sure. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a crappin's commercial.

Ben Mandelker (17:31)

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Ronnie Karam (17:41)

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Ben Mandelker (17:53)

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Ronnie Karam (18:10)

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Ben Mandelker (18:34)

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Ronnie Karam (18:53)

Vanderpump Villas back. And this season it heads to the English countryside at Rosecraft Park, a new playground for luxury, indulgence and plenty of chaos, all under the watchful eye of Lisa Vanderpump.

Ben Mandelker (19:07)

New and returning staff, along with fan favorite Stassi Schroeder are living and working together once again serving high end guests while navigating friendships, rivalries and temptation behind the scenes.

Ronnie Karam (19:18)

And this season comes with a twist. The villa becomes a full blown reality crossover event with guest appearances from the Bachelor, Love island, the secret lives of Mormon wives, and more, turning every stay into its own unforgettable spectacle.

Ben Mandelker (19:31)

So pour yourself something decadent because the drama and the tea will be served.

Ronnie Karam (19:37)

The new season of Vanderpump Villa is now streaming on Hulu and it has never been better. So now we go with Rosie, Rosie and Alicia at the beach. And they're like, oh, my God, you're so kid.

Rula (19:49)

We gone to Miami.

Ashley (19:50)

Like, what?

Liz (19:51)

What?

Ashley (19:51)

Why are you so cute?

Rula (19:52)

She's like, oh, my God, we're going to the beach. And I know you only go to your country club.

Ashley (19:56)

We know Alicia.

Rula (19:57)

She's like, yeah, I didn't dress at the beach because I only go to my country club. We just. I just said that. Yeah, because there's a beach club there. It's amazing. It's a beach club.

Rosie (20:05)

It's a beach club.

Rula (20:06)

It's the only place I got Ashley's

Ben Mandelker (20:08)

like, guys, this is my favorite beach. It's the only beach in Rhode island where you cannot hear my husband. Prepare a coffee for someone.

Liz (20:17)

Joyce, we got a cappuccino ready. Damn it.

Rula (20:21)

All right, you guys go first because I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. It's like a beach. I don't know. It's like sand to stairs. It's not like this at the country club. It's not like it.

Ben Mandelker (20:29)

It's different as she goes.

Rosie (20:32)

See, I take my kids here because, look, no riptide.

Ben Mandelker (20:34)

It's like no undercurrent. I'm like, there's also no charisma. It's like, it's like this, like, dark brown sand and like, just. It's like, it's like going to the lake. It's like a sad lake, but it's a beach form, and they're all just totally unimpressed. It's, like, also like a public beach that's, you know, full of, you know, normal people.

Rosie (20:51)

So, of course, Alicia's like, oh, my God.

Ben Mandelker (20:53)

What about.

Rosie (20:54)

I hope they didn't bring any pizza chips, because this is disgusting. All those people over there, these girls,

Ronnie Karam (21:00)

they seem a bit more like a country club bunch. Like, they're showing up with their designer bags and stuff. They look like Malibu Barbies. And me, Ashley, like, I look like a mom that maybe, like, tried a little bit today. Wacky new girl. To housewives.

Rosie (21:17)

This is your favorite beach. What the fuck? I belong to a beautiful beach club. Please come. Come with me. Carry a chair, my purse, and then snacks. It's, like, too much. Too much to do.

Ben Mandelker (21:28)

I don't know.

Rosie (21:28)

This is too. I'd rather be a pizza mama.

Ronnie Karam (21:31)

They go down and set up on the sand, but they set themselves up facing away from the water, which is hilarious.

Ben Mandelker (21:37)

I get. They probably have to, like, they can't have the camera people, like, in the water because it's probably a liability with the equipment. But it is hilarious that they're. They're facing away from the beach. And I guess it's also more cinematic to be able to see the ocean. Yeah.

Ronnie Karam (21:50)

Like, they go to the beach and then sit away from the water. Okay, listen, we've already got one Housewives that's primarily focused on scenes taking place in parking lots. And you're not Real Housewives of Salt

Rula (22:01)

Lake City level yet.

Ben Mandelker (22:03)

And Bravo's really trying to push the maritime element of the show. So they're like, we must have that. That ocean in the background, which, honestly, I don't mind. It is. It is really a very maritime show. Like, at Liz's house, you just see the. You see the ocean just in the background the entire time. Like, this is, like a very. There's something, like, very pleasant about how this show looks. You know, everything's because of lighthouses and waves and seagulls and Mafia. It's just lovely.

Ronnie Karam (22:29)

But it's all very, like, cheddar biscuits. Like, it's very seafood restaurant, if that makes any sense. Like, even this.

Rula (22:37)

Oh, my God, look at us with the beach. This is the most gorgeous beach in town.

Ronnie Karam (22:40)

And it's like a parking lot with a puddle.

Rula (22:42)

Like, wow, isn't this amazing?

Ben Mandelker (22:44)

This. I mean, let's face it, Real Housewives of Rhode island is for the seafood lover and you.

Ronnie Karam (22:50)

Yep.

Rula (22:51)

So guess what. Guess what, guys. Guess What? Alicia here. I brought pizza chips. There, I said it, you know?

Ronnie Karam (22:57)

And that's like, I've never even heard of a pizza chip. What is that? Do you make it with the steamer?

Rula (23:02)

No, no. My grandfather, he was the first one to do it here. Like, he had a bakery called Superior Bakery, because it was pretty good. And you know what? Like, pizza chips are like. It's red sauce. It's not actual cheese. It's not like regular pizza, but it's lighter. You know, it's lighter. People, like, bring it to the beach. I love pizza chips.

Ben Mandelker (23:18)

I love Alicia. Her. Just her. Her distinguishing feature is that there's no cheese.

Rosie (23:22)

She's like, yeah, the pizza chips, just red. There's no cheese.

Ben Mandelker (23:26)

There's no cheese on this pizza.

Rosie (23:27)

It's just. It's just. It's red sauce.

Ben Mandelker (23:29)

Mike, you don't have to tell me, like, oh, but there's no cheese. You have to tell me, oh, but it's not a chip, because it's like a big, like, round of bread. It looks like. I don't remember, but it's like a.

Ronnie Karam (23:41)

It's like a super thick pita.

Ben Mandelker (23:43)

Yeah, like a thick. Yeah, like a pita or biali that's covered with, like, a tomato sauce that's been cooked down so it almost looks like a tomato paste. I don't understand why they're called chips.

Ronnie Karam (23:52)

That shit looks nasty.

Rula (23:54)

And.

Ronnie Karam (23:54)

But they're not called. They're not chips, and they're not pizza. They're neither of those.

Ben Mandelker (23:59)

I agree.

Ronnie Karam (23:59)

Why are you calling pizza chips?

Ben Mandelker (24:01)

I want one so badly because I, of course, you know, I stopped the show and then spent 15 minutes online looking at pizza chips that can also be called pizza Pizza. Not slits. Pizza strips. They can also be called pizza strips if they have a sort of long shape. And everyone online is like, oh, my God, these are so good. The ratio of how they look to how they taste is, like, the. There's the farthest gap than any other food. Like, it. They look so stupid, and they tastes so good. So now I desperately want a pizza chip. And also, I'm, like, sad that we never had a Top Chef Rhode island because, you know, there would have been, like, a Padma challenge.

Rosie (24:39)

Chefs, since we're here in Rhode island, please welcome my dear friend, the president of Rhode island, to talk about a local delicacy called the pizza chip. Now, one thing you may not know about these. Yes, the residents do like to eat them, but they're also great for throwing at Gail's face.

Ben Mandelker (24:57)

Let's all do it together

Ronnie Karam (24:59)

in Los Angeles. Pizza chips. Thin, crispy, oven baked dough topped with marinara and mozzarella. Okay, you've already got it wrong. Google so whatever. So, Ashley. So leash is like in the summer,

Rula (25:12)

go to the beach as a kid, you have cheese in the sun. It's sitting there. You know what I mean? You just don't. You don't. You don't want cheese sitting in the sun. No one wants melted cheese on a pizza. Like, nobody wants that.

Rosie (25:24)

That she's just sitting there.

Ben Mandelker (25:26)

I mean, if you bring pizza to the beach, I mean, I just feel like the pizza won't last long enough to be crappy in the sun. Right? Don't you? I would just eat.

Ronnie Karam (25:35)

All the people would eat it. But you know what will last?

Rula (25:37)

Pizza chips.

Ronnie Karam (25:38)

Guaranteed. So as she's like, I mean, they think it's great, but I'm like, who wears the cheese on my pizza? You know, because, like, who wants a pizza without cheese?

Ben Mandelker (25:49)

It's like a house off without a personality. Ashley. So Rosie is like, you guys, Rosie says the sentence that like, you can barely understand because of her accent. And maybe she has a pizza chip in her mouth.

Rosie (26:00)

She's like, you guys, I want to invite you all. You, me and Ashy. We're going real expls. I was like, what she say? React bars.

Liz (26:06)

What re.

Ben Mandelker (26:09)

But they all understood what she meant.

Rosie (26:10)

Like, oh, so cute.

Liz (26:12)

Yeah.

Ben Mandelker (26:12)

And then we see exploders. It's called rail explorers.

Ronnie Karam (26:17)

Yeah, we're gonna do that. And then we're gonna have a bonfire.

Rula (26:19)

We're really. We're gonna do everything. You guys explore rails, go on a bonfire. Don't worry, we're gonna go from one public park to another public park, basically,

Ronnie Karam (26:28)

is what I'm saying.

Rosie (26:29)

Yeah.

Ben Mandelker (26:29)

For this episode, Rail Explorers is also what Jax Taylor used to call his group of friends. So Rosie is like, I love rose. I mean, I love rail explorers.

Rosie (26:43)

I'm kind of obsessed with it. I think it's such a fun activity. I also, the views are amazing. And it's such a beautiful. It's so beautiful. I don't know.

Ben Mandelker (26:50)

Ocean scape, seascape. But that's okay.

Rosie (26:53)

Well, like, whatever you call it. But I think everybody will have fun doing something active. Like maybe we won't fight each other. You know, It'll be great.

Ashley (27:01)

All right, we.

Rula (27:02)

We said relic was five times. Is that how many times we had to say it? Okay, let's talk now. Let's talk now. Did you have a pizza chip? Okay, let's talk about the party. Like, I've been dying, I've been waiting

Ronnie Karam (27:10)

I've been dying, I've been waiting, dying, waiting.

Rosie (27:13)

My God.

Ben Mandelker (27:14)

I know. Hi, Ashley here.

Rosie (27:15)

I need some clarification.

Ben Mandelker (27:17)

Why is Rula mad at Joellen?

Ronnie Karam (27:20)

Well, Rula feels like she's getting involved in her marriage. Wait, what were you gonna say?

Ben Mandelker (27:25)

Ashley, pay attention to your own show. How do you not know why Rula is mad at Joelle?

Ronnie Karam (27:29)

It's like, the biggest reason ever. Everybody knows, okay? Ashley's like, I don't even. These women are so crazy. I don't even know what their Instagram handles are.

Ben Mandelker (27:38)

Yeah, I think Ashley's really trying to be the. The voice of the people. Like, aren't these people crazy? But instead, she's just coming off like a twit. So Rosie is like, well, Rula feels

Rosie (27:50)

like she's getting involved in her marriage. It's like, you know, I never knew this until recently. You know what? Rula met Brian while he was married to my Spanish teacher.

Ben Mandelker (27:59)

Like, what?

Ronnie Karam (28:00)

It's like, yes, it's so funny. I love Alicia. No one can make me hate her.

Rula (28:05)

William. At Brian while he was married to my Spanish teacher.

Rosie (28:10)

So she. So he's this. He's a cheater, basically. Yeah. But he doesn't look like a cheetah. Let's be honest.

Ben Mandelker (28:16)

Like, he literally looks like a cheater. You look at him and say, that man is cheating on his wife.

Ronnie Karam (28:21)

Yeah, he doesn't look like a cheater. He's just so hot. Only ugly people cheat. Oh, Ashley.

Ben Mandelker (28:27)

No, he's not very hot.

Rula (28:29)

Oh.

Ronnie Karam (28:29)

Oh, okay, that makes more sense. I was gonna say, you're in for a surprise. Your husband, who's at his coffee bar, Audrey's, at midnight checking the I machine. So Alicia says, well, I don't know

Rula (28:41)

if it's true, but, like, R's husband cheated on his first wife, my Spanish teacher with Rula.

Ronnie Karam (28:46)

I hope that's true. That's not true, cuz, like, I really

Rula (28:49)

did love a Spanish teacher.

Ben Mandelker (28:52)

Alicia's, like, all excited to go to her high school reunion and, like, reunite with her Spanish teacher.

Rosie (28:56)

And she's like, I don't know if I can do that anymore.

Ben Mandelker (28:59)

So Rosie.

Rosie (29:02)

It's just too. I just feel so bad for her.

Ben Mandelker (29:05)

So Rosie says, okay, enough about Rula and her weirdo husband. Me and Alicia have been dying to know what happened on Saturday. So Ash is like, is Liz not here for a reason? Rosie goes, yeah, I've been waiting for

Rosie (29:18)

this all day because I. Like, I didn't want to. Like, I didn't want to attack you

Ben Mandelker (29:21)

with it, but, like, I'm.

Rosie (29:22)

I'm about to climax. By the way, it's now it's me, Alicia, talking. I'm about to climax. I need to know what happened.

Liz (29:27)

Come on, tell me what happened.

Ronnie Karam (29:29)

So Kelsey says, you know, I just said, how you doing? And she says, I want a moment with Dino on my husband.

Rula (29:36)

And I said, I wouldn't.

Ronnie Karam (29:37)

Didn't want that because of Dino's ongoing. And before I even stopped, she fucking booked it, you know, and she said, ongoing, ongoing nothing. Ongoing.

Rula (29:45)

Seawall.

Ronnie Karam (29:45)

Seawall, ongoing. And then she ran upstairs. So I followed her because. What else do you do? What I meant by ongoing was that there's rumors about them having an affair, and I thought she should distance herself from him because people are talking about us spreading lies and things that aren't necessarily true. So. Geez, sorry, do you think on some

Ben Mandelker (30:04)

level, Kelsey was also saying, he's like a connected guy and you're on TV now and maybe you shouldn't be seen?

Ronnie Karam (30:11)

It sounds like what Kelsey says to her later when they have the conversation is, I was with this guy. I did have an affair with this guy, and he was abusive and he's a fucking killer in the Mafia. So watch out is what it sounded like she's saying later.

Ashley (30:26)

And Liz is like, okay, well, you're allowed to have your experiences. And I'm about to have my experience experiences. And that's just like.

Ronnie Karam (30:35)

Like, are you not hearing me?

Ben Mandelker (30:37)

Yeah, with the. Yeah, so. So Rosie's like, what? What?

Rosie (30:42)

So what was she saying upstairs?

Ben Mandelker (30:43)

What was she saying?

Rosie (30:44)

And Cass. Oh, you know, she was saying, you. You're fake.

Liz (30:48)

What?

Rosie (30:48)

What did she say? It's like, yeah, she probably said it 86 million times. I mean, in my brain, I'm like, God, what did I just, like, dead myself with the rest of my relationship with Liz?

Ben Mandelker (30:58)

So Kelsey's like, we just don't want to be under her wrath.

Rula (31:02)

Yeah, but you know what? She's been like that her whole life, though. Like, the people that we hung out with and grow up with, they weren't like, regular happy, go lucky. Like, we're for the same cut, you know, like, we fought the same type of cloth. Does that make sense? Like, how do we say it?

Ronnie Karam (31:15)

You're cut from the same cloth.

Rula (31:16)

Yeah, yeah, we're cut from the same cloth. You know, Like, I come off softer, happier, you know, like, but, you know, get me behind a wheel and walk in front of my car, you know? But we all do have, like. We do walk on Extras around her.

Ronnie Karam (31:27)

It's true.

Rula (31:28)

Me including. Because you know why? Because she's no bullshit. You know, I. I get scared of her, and I don't get scared of anybody, you know, except, you know, people at crosswalks, because they'll sue you. They'll sue you.

Rosie (31:37)

I don't like doing that. No bridges for me. I will not. I couldn't even watch the Bridges of Madison County.

Ben Mandelker (31:42)

I was like, what if there's women there? I don't want to run over someone

Rosie (31:44)

else in the movies.

Ben Mandelker (31:46)

Then we go to Joellen's house, but Joellen is not there. Jan, her sister, is there doing long laundry for Gary because he. He's not able to fold clothing.

Ronnie Karam (31:55)

And he. He's been gone one day, and he already has a full. I mean, I guess they have kids and stuff, but still. And this sister is your husband, by the way.

Rula (32:03)

She's like, oh, hi.

Ashley (32:05)

Just you're taking care of your kids

Ronnie Karam (32:07)

and doing your husband's laundry. Hope you're having fun on your work trip, loser.

Ben Mandelker (32:12)

Yeah, and so they have, like, this whole banter, you know, and Ds, like,

Rosie (32:17)

I really appreciate that. Jen comes over when I'm out of. Out of town to help out with

Ben Mandelker (32:21)

my kids, and she's like, gary found

Rosie (32:25)

a pair of your underwear.

Ronnie Karam (32:27)

Ted Baker. How'd they smell?

Rula (32:30)

They tasted great. Oh, God. She perpetuates this fun little game of

Ronnie Karam (32:35)

flirting with my husband, but I don't take offense.

Rula (32:37)

I mean, I know there's nothing going on. She loves Gary so much. As a brother, as a friend. They've never had sex. Like, maybe he touched her boobs in high school. You know, keep it in the family kind of thing. Yeah.

Ronnie Karam (32:48)

Because he dated her first, so. Yeah, I think she's already tasted. She's already tasted this guy.

Ben Mandelker (32:55)

Yeah. So Gary's like, yeah, it's super nice that you came to help out when she's not here, though, because, like, that takes a huge load off my shoulders of doing the nothing that I do.

Ronnie Karam (33:04)

Sorry, did I say shoulders? I meant nuts.

Ben Mandelker (33:10)

So.

Ronnie Karam (33:11)

So she's. She's like, oh, my God, don't we have a happy marriage? And the sister's like, I'm your husband.

Rula (33:17)

Yeah.

Ben Mandelker (33:18)

Oh, I'm about to say we see, like, a flashback of them in a sauna. And Jen's like, if I'm gonna be

Rosie (33:23)

45 years old and I don't have kids yet, I'm just gonna use Gary's.

Ben Mandelker (33:26)

And then he, like, winks at her.

Rula (33:29)

She's like, yeah, you're not Using my husband's sperm for kids, okay?

Ronnie Karam (33:32)

She's like, can Gary give me sperm?

Rula (33:34)

I said, he's not giving you a sperm.

Ronnie Karam (33:36)

What's wrong with you?

Rula (33:37)

What's wrong with you?

Rosie (33:39)

Okay, maybe a few sperms. You know, she can have a few sperms, but, you know, he. She's not gonna be the one to jerk him off to get the sperms out of.

Ben Mandelker (33:45)

I mean, don't you. She could put a finger in. She could put a finger, and I'll do the rest.

Ashley (33:48)

That's it.

Rosie (33:48)

That's all she gets.

Ronnie Karam (33:49)

Finger. So, yeah, she calls, and they have this nice scene of, like, oh, my

Ashley (33:57)

God, it's the kids.

Ronnie Karam (33:58)

And Joellen goes, wow, she's really helping out a lot around there. Hi. Goes, yeah. Laundry, cleaning, cooking, bowl emptying.

Ashley (34:04)

What didn't I do? What didn't I do?

Ronnie Karam (34:06)

Am I right, Gare?

Rosie (34:08)

My relationship with Jen, as we were growing up, like, we were, like, not close.

Ben Mandelker (34:12)

We would fight a lot, and then

Rosie (34:13)

she would, like, lock me at the house in a towel. And then Jen and I got close right after my father passed away, and it was, like, 2010. And then, like, after.

Ben Mandelker (34:20)

Then she would, like, let me back

Rosie (34:21)

in the house with a towel. And, like, we became friends. So, like, I'm thankful and I'm appreciative of her, and I finally, like, understand what a best friend a sister is, you know? Because as a best friend, it's my favorite thing to do, is to dangle the man that she.

Ben Mandelker (34:31)

That got away from her in front of her face, knowing that she can never have him again.

Rosie (34:34)

So, anyway, we're really close now.

Rula (34:36)

Okay, well, I'd love you, sister.

Ashley (34:38)

Have a safe flight.

Ronnie Karam (34:39)

I'm your husband.

Ashley (34:40)

Okay, you're hilarious.

Ronnie Karam (34:42)

You're hel. Okay, put your top back on. Put your.

Rula (34:44)

Okay, call me back.

Ronnie Karam (34:46)

Call me back.

Rosie (34:48)

Bye.

Ben Mandelker (34:49)

So now we go to Alicia's, and she's fixing pool furniture.

Rosie (34:53)

She's like, oh, God, this is dirty. And that's disgusting over there.

Ben Mandelker (34:56)

Oh, God, that's awful.

Rosie (34:57)

That's disgusting.

Ben Mandelker (34:58)

And then in come the aunties.

Rosie (34:59)

Sandra first, and she's like, alicia, we're here.

Liz (35:03)

Where is she? Where that.

Rosie (35:04)

Alicia?

Ben Mandelker (35:05)

And then in comes Sharon. Oh, God, I hope you guys are hungry, because there's lots of food. You thought you had a lot of pizza chips before.

Rosie (35:12)

Guess what? Got a stack of them.

Ben Mandelker (35:14)

This one's got marinara on it. That one. Oh, wait, but this batch here, this

Rosie (35:18)

also has got marinara.

Ben Mandelker (35:19)

What about your batch over there?

Rosie (35:20)

Mine got marinara on them.

Ashley (35:22)

Hey, you got a Straw. I want to drink some marinara.

Liz (35:26)

All right.

Ronnie Karam (35:27)

And Alicia's like, wow.

Rula (35:28)

You know, spending time with my family is like that. You know, there's, like, so much going on. You can't. It's, like, overwhelming. My grandpa, my grandfather, he opened up Superior Bakery. It was great. Everybody loved.

Ronnie Karam (35:38)

We know Alicia, for fuck's sake. This all Alicia says. She said this 30 times.

Rosie (35:43)

Superior Bakery.

Rula (35:44)

Superior Bakery. Yeah, it was good. And then he had some pizza restaurants. He was.

Ronnie Karam (35:48)

He was well known all over Rhode Island. My aunts, they, like, work with my grandfather. They make it the dough behind the. You know, everyone in Cranston would make fun of the Cicerone girls because they

Rula (35:57)

weren't really good at working. But, you know, my grandfather was always

Ronnie Karam (36:00)

stressed out, yelling at him, but he

Rula (36:01)

was just dishing out that money. I love that.

Ronnie Karam (36:03)

All these ants were like dough makers. They could never do it.

Rosie (36:07)

Hey, ma, you gonna go swimming?

Ben Mandelker (36:08)

She's like, oh, no, Alicia, we're too old for that. I mean, Bill would end up vomiting.

Rosie (36:12)

Okay.

Ben Mandelker (36:13)

So then Billy comes.

Rosie (36:14)

He's like, hey, everyone. Oh, wow. This is, like, food for, like, 75 people. You girls are all on diets and never even eat. She's like, yeah, that's true.

Ben Mandelker (36:21)

So then Liz comes over, and I was like, liz. She's like, the norm of this family.

Ashley (36:25)

Liz,

Liz (36:29)

Alicia's family, I love them. They're fun to be around, you know? They are Riot. My sister and Alicia's mom, they're best friends. And when we first met that, I would say I was, like, 6 or 8 years old. I don't know. But, like, oh, good. I like them. I'm so happy. I love it here.

Ashley (36:43)

You know what? I love being here with you ladies, because it's always so happy. Yeah. Yesterday I had a colonoscopy. My tmi.

Rula (36:55)

I almost didn't make it today. I almost didn't make it today.

Ronnie Karam (36:59)

Imagine yourself with a fist the size of Gibraltar going up your hood.

Liz (37:06)

Alicia's mom and her sisters, they're blunt. They'll tell you every. Anything. Once you meet him, you never forget them.

Ben Mandelker (37:13)

So then Ruler shows up, and she's like, hello. Hello, everyone. It's Ruler. My family's actually known Billy's daily. I don't know his family for, like, I don't know. I'd say 30 years we've patronize.

Rosie (37:23)

I think that's the right word.

Ben Mandelker (37:24)

His restaurants. And then his families use a jewelry store. It's all very interconnected. Isn't that a great.

Ronnie Karam (37:30)

We're patrons. They're patrons.

Rula (37:32)

That's how we all connect.

Ronnie Karam (37:34)

So now Ashley comes over and hugs everyone. She's like, I've never been with the ladies in the group environment without Rosie, so I don't have my emotional support animal. But I've heard so much about these ladies. I'm sure it's gonna be great.

Rosie (37:49)

And my esthetician does Anita and her

Ben Mandelker (37:51)

mom, and, like, they're like her aunts. Like, they all go to my esthetician. So I guess I'm sort of connected, too. I guess I'm part of the family, right? I mean, they all go in together because one of them doesn't drive. Oh, it's just like, Alicia.

Ronnie Karam (38:03)

This is like my big fat Greek wedding. But you guys are Italian. No, she didn't just call us Greek. You know what? Should we forgive her for that one?

Ben Mandelker (38:10)

All right, don't give him a pizza chip, okay? She doesn't deserve it.

Rosie (38:14)

This is.

Ben Mandelker (38:14)

This recipe comes from Superior Bakery.

Rosie (38:16)

Oh, yeah.

Ben Mandelker (38:16)

Did you guys know that, like, we had Superior Bakery?

Rula (38:20)

Yeah, My grandfather had Superior Bakery. Everybody in Rhode island loves him.

Ashley (38:24)

Everybody loves them.

Ronnie Karam (38:27)

And Ashley's like, yeah, you know, like, in Bill, you know, like, everyone wants them to get married. And she's like, yeah, I like Billy so much. And Liz is like, yeah, as much

Rula (38:37)

as I love him, I want to be like, what are you doing? Like, make it right. Make it right, Bill.

Ronnie Karam (38:40)

And so we have flash. We see a flashback to Alicia saying,

Rula (38:44)

I went to the lawyers, and they said, you know what? He's not leaving you with any. Any money, not a penny method. You know, he wouldn't even put my name on the house.

Ben Mandelker (38:51)

So they're all shocked that about this. Ashley's just like, why he won't, like, put your name on the house.

Rosie (38:57)

She's like, this is jointly yours. I mean, like, absolutely no negotiation there.

Ben Mandelker (39:01)

Like, this is where you raise your daughter together. This is where you make caramel macchiatos. This is where you fix ice machines. This is where you tell Joyce that her cappuccino is ready.

Ronnie Karam (39:11)

Yeah.

Ben Mandelker (39:11)

This is pretty crazy, Ashley. This is crazy.

Rosie (39:14)

How do you not.

Ben Mandelker (39:14)

Like.

Rosie (39:15)

Like, how do you.

Ben Mandelker (39:16)

Like, if she says she wants to have her name on that house, her name should be on that house. You guys are in a committed relationship, and you're raising your child there.

Ronnie Karam (39:23)

Yeah. And I don't know what the laws are there, like, with common law marriage and stuff like that, but I would suggest she leaves him now. Divorce. Or she can't divorce him, but leave him, sue him for half of everything, child support and all. Of that stuff because the prenup is even worse because then you're signing everything away. Where at this point, I think she would have a claim because it doesn't matter if they're married. It's like she helps him with the business, they have a kid together, whatever. But I think if she. I think she doesn't want to get married because she's not signing that prenup that's agreeing to get nothing. That's crazy.

Ben Mandelker (39:58)

I used to tell her, you gotta go to a lawyer.

Liz (40:01)

I was like, no, not only that, pizza mama. I mean, that's her. Come on, she's the pizza mama here.

Ben Mandelker (40:06)

She was like, yeah, but no one's

Rosie (40:08)

gonna put a name on a business

Ben Mandelker (40:09)

that if he's not married to you.

Ronnie Karam (40:13)

Well, yeah, but then why would I marry him? He's not going to put my name in a business or the house in my name. And he's not going to give me anything. Sharon, I don't. This is like old school advice that's was really bugging me to hear.

Ashley (40:24)

Like, you know, men cheat. That's what men do. Like, why is it going to marry you? I'm gonna put, you gotta marry him if you want. Except nothing to get a little.

Rosie (40:35)

You know, I've always been a runaway bride. I was always in long term relationships, just about to get engaged. Like, let's look at those rings right before I go, you know what? I don't think this is my forever, okay? I don't want to be some Spanish teacher that gets cheated on, you know, I would break up with them. And so with Billy, I like, I got the ring and I'm finally engaged. And now I'm like, still hesitant on getting married because it's like, I think I need more for him. I need him to work at Superior

Ben Mandelker (40:58)

Bakery like my grandfather did.

Rosie (41:00)

I need to feel more of a commitment before I make my commitment.

Ronnie Karam (41:03)

And rule is like, you have to make sure you look out for yourself. I'm not a licensed attorney, but I don't have any charisma. And my financial planning. I understand all this stuff. I get it. Do you understand? Is my face moving at all?

Rula (41:17)

Is it at all?

Ronnie Karam (41:18)

Are my eyes blinking right now? I feel like I'm blinking.

Ben Mandelker (41:21)

I like what she goes, I'm not a licensed attorney, but I work with many. I'm not a doctor, but I play one on tv.

Rula (41:30)

Well, I'm glad she's here to tell you this stuff, honey.

Ronnie Karam (41:33)

Yeah. Because otherwise the law will dictate and I don't know many Dictators. But I've heard of many. And I'm all about trust. Okay? I'm all about trust. So Anita says, are you happily married? Yes, I am. But, you know, it's never perfect.

Ashley (41:48)

That makes me so bad when you talk like that. It makes me so mad.

Ben Mandelker (41:54)

Yeah, but we all get past any bumps, you know, Unless there's actual bumps, in a way.

Rula (42:00)

Yeah, but of course we do. Yeah, we get past bumps, honey.

Ashley (42:03)

Yeah, all of us get past bumps. They're gonna cheat on you. That's right.

Rula (42:06)

There's all guys who will cheat on you. What are you gonna do? You're gonna grins and pass it. That's what you do, honey.

Rosie (42:12)

You know what, though? Sometimes you can't get past bumps. Because I had a relationship for many years with my husband, and then I

Ben Mandelker (42:18)

found out that he won.

Rosie (42:20)

What?

Liz (42:21)

He wanted.

Rosie (42:23)

What do you want?

Liz (42:24)

He wanted. He wanted.

Rosie (42:26)

What did he want? What? It was like, what, a motorboat?

Liz (42:28)

No, he wanted. He wanted. He wanted.

Ben Mandelker (42:31)

Oh, wanted.

Ronnie Karam (42:33)

Yeah, he wanted. And so he laugh and we're like, there was an indiscretion. You're in a healthy, loving relationship. Something happens out of the blue. I don't want to cry. I'm crying right now, right? Is my face moving at all?

Rula (42:45)

Don't cry, honey. It's all right if you do. We've all cried. We're not here to judge you.

Ronnie Karam (42:51)

Not at all.

Rula (42:52)

Cry. Cry.

Ashley (42:54)

We've all been there.

Ben Mandelker (42:57)

I'm just having a hard time getting over a lot of the lying and the twisting. Look at me. Look how angry I am. Sorry for yelling so much.

Rosie (43:03)

Like, okay, let me tell you something, Ruler. It's hard to trust again.

Ben Mandelker (43:08)

And this girl is gonna be looking over her shoulder. Where is he? He didn't show up for dinner or he had to go on a business trip. I'm telling you. Do you want to live like that for the rest of your life? You may know a lot of licensed attorneys, but do you know licensed attorneys that are looking over their shoulder every single day wondering, what's my man doing?

Rosie (43:27)

What's going on with my man?

Ben Mandelker (43:29)

Do you want to live with that?

Rula (43:31)

And let me tell you, honey, I did live like that for a while.

Ashley (43:34)

Mine had affairs with a lot of women. A lot of women.

Ronnie Karam (43:39)

And rulers. Like, I'm listening, but I don't necessarily want to hear all of this. That's why I'm blinking so rapidly. Am I blinking? This is a lot about Brian that people don't know they haven't seen.

Rula (43:50)

He's very loving. He's A great provider. You know, we also have children. He looks like Hellboy.

Ronnie Karam (43:57)

And the one thing that sticks with me, though, do you want to spend the rest of your life looking over your shoulder? That hits me. That's what hit me. Because it's very difficult to look behind me without a backup camera. I would be nothing

Ben Mandelker (44:11)

for years. I just crashed into garbage cans and walls, just like, you know what? I have a feeling you're gonna work really hard. And I just hope and pray that you somehow hurt him.

Rula (44:27)

Find the way.

Ronnie Karam (44:28)

Find a way to hurt that man.

Ben Mandelker (44:31)

Get that fucking man back. Yeah, get right up his ass. Just hurt him real hard.

Ronnie Karam (44:37)

I'll tell you the truth. I'm gonna pray that you get him back. That's what I'm praying, honey. That's what I'm praying.

Ben Mandelker (44:44)

I want you to get him back with the back side of your hand. Just smack them across the face a few times. I love this. I love that. You know what? You're right. Like, some of the advice is very old school in a way that I'm like, we're moving. We've moved past this outlook. What I loved was like this group of older women sort of coming in with the sort of motherly advice of like, we got you. You know, like, we've all been through it. We'll. We'll help you through it. Ruler, you know?

Ronnie Karam (45:10)

Yeah, murder him. You know,

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I've been through it. Mine cheated on me left and right. And he always wondered what happened to his brake fluid.

Rula (45:26)

So, yeah, I was wondering what happened to my brake fluid too.

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Ronnie Karam (48:03)

So then we go to a petting zoo or something and Ashley's there with Rosie. And there are just. This scene was cracking me up because this scene is basically Rosie, like, yeah,

Ashley (48:12)

you know, like he really wants kids.

Ronnie Karam (48:14)

I don't really want kids, but he really does. And there are kids crawling all over Ashley, sticking their fingers up her nose. She's got one over here, one over there. They're crawling all over. She's just trying to ignore her. She's like, no, kids are great. You're gonna love kids. And if you don't have kids, you're gonna wonder, why don't you not have kids? I mean, look at me.

Ashley (48:32)

Isn't this great?

Ronnie Karam (48:33)

Anybody heard from dad? Anybody? Nobody? Okay, you know what? Could you call him from your phone? Just, he'll probably answer if one of the kids calls. We're so in love.

Ben Mandelker (48:44)

We're so happy. Look, just. Just put out a takeout order for macchiato. He usually responds to that. Thank you. Yeah, it was hilarious because Rosie was just talking about like, yeah, like, are we gonna have kids? I don't really want to have kids because my mom wanted, like, you know, my mom wants me to have kids, but I don't want to have kids, and I don't want to be controlling. And the entire time Ashley is really trying to say. She. At one point, she says, oh, yeah, you know, I've become my mom, where I'm like, oh, have a kid, have a kid, have a kid. You never know. You're gonna love it. You don't want to wait too long, because then you're gonna regret it in, like, five years. So just have the kids now. Don't worry about it. There's nothing about this scene that is serving as a good advertisement for having children.

Ronnie Karam (49:26)

None of this is a lore, okay? None of this. And then Rosie at one point goes,

Ashley (49:31)

hey, little guy, what does a chicken sound make?

Ronnie Karam (49:34)

Do you know? And bok.

Liz (49:36)

Bok.

Rula (49:37)

Wait, is.

Ashley (49:38)

Is that what they sound like?

Rula (49:39)

I think that's a duck. Now she's like, quack bok.

Ronnie Karam (49:42)

No, that's a quack quack.

Rula (49:43)

That. Ducks are.

Ronnie Karam (49:44)

Quack quack.

Rula (49:44)

She goes, oh, yeah, I have no idea.

Ronnie Karam (49:46)

You know, I haven't been playing with kids toys.

Liz (49:47)

I don't know.

Ronnie Karam (49:48)

She goes, yeah, she's definitely not ready

Rula (49:49)

to be a mom.

Ronnie Karam (49:50)

I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Oh, God.

Ashley (49:52)

Okay.

Rula (49:52)

Yeah, the. Punch me in the eye. It's okay.

Ashley (49:54)

It's okay.

Ben Mandelker (49:54)

That's.

Ronnie Karam (49:55)

We're having fun, right?

Ben Mandelker (49:57)

And Rosie is trying so hard to, like, have this monologue and express, like, this, you know, situation between her and her man. And the kid just, like, takes Ash's earring and throws it, and it's like,

Rosie (50:08)

I will go get that.

Ben Mandelker (50:09)

And she, like, does not even break from her monologue, which I'm impressed, because normally it's like, okay, I'm not gonna bother talking about anything in my life because we're just gonna pick up stuff that the kid is throwing down. Because, you know, toddlers love to take things and throw them on the ground. I don't know what joy they get from that. I don't know what the sensory element of that. Maybe it's a sense of control. I do not understand.

Ronnie Karam (50:28)

They just love it.

Ben Mandelker (50:30)

They love it. Take it, throw it.

Ronnie Karam (50:33)

I still do it all the time.

Ben Mandelker (50:34)

But Rosie's big thing that she sort of drills down to is that she just. She has a lot of issues with her mom, and she felt like her mom was very controlling and critical, and she basically is like, I don't want to do that to my child. And I kind of want to break the pattern. And she sort of ends the scene saying, like, I just. I don't want to mess anyone up. And I just Wanted to let her know that the truth is, no matter what, like, all parents are going to mess up their children, even the best parents, so don't worry about it. Right.

Ronnie Karam (51:08)

Well, and then the ones that you meet who are like, oh, my God, I had the best childhood, Nothing bad ever happened to me.

Rula (51:13)

It was great. I.

Ronnie Karam (51:14)

They're not, you know, it's not always the best either. So, like some of us, yes, you know, the pain is sometimes necessary. But Rosie, you know, she is saying all this about the trauma of having a mom who didn't want her and stuff like that, but she also just doesn't want to have kids. She's like, we were trying when we first started dating, like, I would just not stop taking my pill and then I would, like, try. She's like, I know that's up, but I did kind of want a kid. And then I just realized, no, I, like, I really don't. I just don't want one. So I think that's. That's a rough age where everybody's like, okay, if you don't do it now, this is it, and you have to make that ultimate decision. I mean, if you don't want a kid, don't have a kid. I do suggest having nieces, though, that you can guilt into taking care of you when you're old.

Ben Mandelker (51:58)

It sucks, though. Like, I like my. I think it sucks so much that all this pressure gets put on women. And it also, like when we just watched Quad on marriage Medicine, who for years didn't want to have a kid and then decide that she wants to have a kid, and it looks like it may be too late for her to carry a kid. And then the torture that she feels. I never want to be like, well, you don't want to, like, be down. You don't want to, like, find yourself at age 41, 42, and suddenly it's like, much harder. So, like, I never. I want people, if you don't want to have a kid, you should. Like, no one should make you feel bad for that decision. I just think it's such a mind. I think it's so unfair that this, like, this is like.

Ronnie Karam (52:35)

I remember years ago I was telling my mom, do you think there's something in the food supply? Because, like, all of my friends are having trouble having babies. And she says, ronnie, you're in your 40s. Like, just the things you don't think about as a guy. But I can imagine, yeah, it's got to be rough for women because even as a gay guy, people are Always like, ronnie, why aren't you a dad? You're so good with kids. Don't you want to be a dad? You can adopt kids. You can even use a surrogate.

Ashley (53:03)

You can do.

Ben Mandelker (53:04)

Weren't you gonna.

Ronnie Karam (53:06)

There's a lot of pressure on me. I don't even have a boyfriend ever. So.

Ben Mandelker (53:10)

Yeah, yeah, we. Dom and I get it a lot. People like, you guys want to have kids someday. I'm like, no, I'd like to have brunch.

Ronnie Karam (53:17)

But, Dom, I just always say, because I, like, I love having a house cleaner, but I don't, like, live in house cleaners. I just want someone to leave.

Ben Mandelker (53:27)

I want to be able to, like, do things. No, but I think that. I think that child, despite the fact that I'm on the record about how much kids drive me nuts, I am very paradoxical in that I actually think that, like, child, like, raising a child and like, all of that, I think, is actually so wonderful and so amazing. And, like, I just think, like, it's. It's a great thing, but it's just not something I want to do. You know what? Like, I think probably, like, being a marathon runner and, like, completing a marathon is probably a wonderful feeling. I'm never going to do it. Never gonna touch it, never gonna go near it. I won't even watch it on tv, honestly.

Ronnie Karam (54:05)

Yeah, exactly.

Rula (54:06)

Yeah.

Ronnie Karam (54:07)

I mean, I look at accountants, I'm like, you guys are working so hard right now. You're doing such a good job. I don't want to do that. Like, I can respect you without wanting to have your life, you know?

Ben Mandelker (54:15)

Yeah.

Ronnie Karam (54:16)

So Rosie is going through all of that, and Ashley's like, well, I'm supportive whatever decisions you're making, and I really hope this isn't an issue in the long run. You know what I mean?

Ben Mandelker (54:25)

Oh, God.

Rosie (54:26)

Hold on.

Ronnie Karam (54:26)

I'm gonna. We called Jared for some. Jared, you still love me, right? Darren. Darren, it's up now.

Rula (54:34)

Click. Okay.

Ronnie Karam (54:35)

Yeah, we're doing great. We're doing great.

Ben Mandelker (54:40)

So then we go to Liz and her boat. The boat's called the Gypsy, spelled G, Y, P, S, E, A, which feels cringy because I think that that's no longer a phrase we're supposed to be saying. And screening that it's, like, emblazoned on a boat. But you know what? Hey, I guess this is what they're doing. And so Liz is. She's. She's calling Jerry because they sold the boat and she's getting everything off the boat.

Ashley (55:11)

So Liz, miraculously, overnight, he sold the boat.

Rula (55:15)

I'll bet he did.

Ronnie Karam (55:16)

After his little. The. The mob connected guy selling his boat after being gone three weeks out of a month on his boat. I'm sure it has nothing to do with drugs.

Ben Mandelker (55:29)

The police called.

Ronnie Karam (55:30)

They're coming for the boat.

Ben Mandelker (55:31)

We sold it. Good luck, suckers.

Liz (55:34)

Jerry. Oh, And I sold the boat. Miraculously, I think Jerry decided to sell the Gypsy because he's had enough, and he's had his fill of sport fishing, and I love that he's home pro, mately now. God, we're gonna go. Go down that seawall every single day.

Ashley (55:49)

Wow.

Liz (55:50)

Maybe Dina will come.

Rosie (55:51)

But especially with a new baby on the way, let's be honest. What's he really gonna do?

Liz (55:57)

You think he's gonna change a diaper? When Jerry started spot fishing, it took him away three weeks. Maybe come home three days and go back another three weeks, you know? You know when they say there's other fish in the sea, I guess they really were a lot, because it wasn't uncommon for him to be actually called Dino and be like, hey, look, take a look. Keep an eye on her. You know, look after her. So, yeah, he was involved in the whole thing too. And that looked a lot like a thing that it wasn't.

Rula (56:25)

Well, Liz asked me to help her

Ronnie Karam (56:26)

out to clean her boat. Kelsey comes and she says, I'm nervous walking into this because I don't know

Rula (56:30)

where a thought process is.

Ronnie Karam (56:32)

You know, what do I do? So she comes in and they're like, you look pretty.

Rula (56:37)

You look pretty.

Ashley (56:38)

You look pretty.

Rula (56:40)

You look pretty.

Ashley (56:41)

Well, okay, listen, I'm just gonna pull there. This is how I feel. Kelsey. I'm not proud of my reaction, what you said to me. I feel like people ongoing, all right? I do not like curse words. And, you know, it triggered me, you know, because you of all people, though, there's nothing going on. Anything, all right? No ongoing nothing. And that's why it was like a gut punch. Like, you go sign the narrative to make me feel bad, you know?

Ronnie Karam (57:09)

Well, I think when I said it, it. It's because, like, I had a different experience with Dino, and my instinct was, like, to, you know, try and get you to withdraw, because my experience wasn't really very good with him. And it's. This does not sound good. And then she tells us she had a weak moment 10 years ago, hooked up with Dino.

Ben Mandelker (57:32)

She was 20.

Ronnie Karam (57:34)

She and her boyfriend weren't exclusively dating. Kelsey just. Just cheats on everybody, by the way. We're learning now.

Ben Mandelker (57:40)

And by the way, when she Said me and my boyfriend weren't exclusively dating. I hate to break it to you. You're still not exclusively dating.

Ronnie Karam (57:47)

That's what I mean. She's never. Yeah. She's just always got something. And so she says she wasn't getting attention, so she started dating Dino, and Dino filled the void, and she was weak and vulnerable and unhappy. And then she tried to distance herself, but the more she. The more she hated him and said, get out of my life.

Rula (58:07)

It's like, he loved that.

Ronnie Karam (58:09)

And then he's like, oh, now you want me out? Okay, well, I'm gonna show up more. So he was stalking you, basically, is what you're saying.

Ben Mandelker (58:17)

That's really scary. Especially because he's, like, a connected guy. Allegedly.

Ronnie Karam (58:21)

Yeah.

Ben Mandelker (58:22)

This is like a very. She. She gave a very nice spin to what really sounds like a very scary situation. You know, I think that she's like, yeah, I'm not gonna.

Ronnie Karam (58:33)

You're 10 years old. This guy, this older man comes with all this money, and then the minute you tell him no, he gets obsess and won't leave you alone. Yeah, sounds pretty scary.

Ben Mandelker (58:44)

That's terrifying. Terrifying.

Ronnie Karam (58:47)

Yeah.

Ben Mandelker (58:49)

But you know what? Dino seems like a great guy, a really great guy, and, yeah. So wonderful. We love Dino. He is a hero. And please don't murder us. Thank you, sir. Kelsey is like, I appreciate his friendship to you and how he took care

Rosie (59:01)

of you, but I didn't have that same experience.

Ben Mandelker (59:04)

I have, like, PTSD over it. And Liz is like, yeah, I got that, baby.

Liz (59:08)

But we got the vastly different experiences. And I know you want nothing to do with that. I understand it, but you said the word ongoing, so, like, unfortunately, everything that you experience gets thrown out the window.

Ashley (59:20)

Okay.

Liz (59:21)

Because I'm going, God, I don't want to say the O word again. Oh, God.

Ben Mandelker (59:25)

Oh, I did it.

Ashley (59:26)

I'm wording up on my little sith now. Will you help people with the rest of my stuff to this boat so we can all move on? I want to get to the sea war with Nina.

Ben Mandelker (59:38)

So now everyone's going to arrive at a parking lot to get onto. To get. Basically to travel to this Explorer Rail. Explorer place. They're all at this parking lot and they're. I don't know why they all, like, show up. And Rosie opens all their doors.

Rosie (59:56)

She's like, hi, welcome to the parking lot.

Ben Mandelker (59:59)

We were here.

Liz (60:00)

You made it.

Rosie (60:01)

We're in the parking lot lot.

Ben Mandelker (60:03)

So they're all arriving, and Rosie is

Rosie (60:06)

like, so in the famous words of Elle woods, working out gives you endorphins. Endorphins make you happy, and happy people

Ben Mandelker (60:13)

don't kill their husbands.

Rosie (60:14)

So maybe if we just cycle a little bit, we can just have a great day. And nobody wants to kill each other.

Ronnie Karam (60:22)

So basically, Joellen's away from work and is away for work. And Rula is super excited. She's. Look at me.

Rula (60:30)

I'm thrilled.

Ronnie Karam (60:31)

Joellen's out of town. Am I blinking? I'm ready to pop champagne right there.

Rula (60:38)

Pop bottles. Tequila.

Ronnie Karam (60:40)

Let's fucking go.

Ben Mandelker (60:43)

Rula is attempting to do fun. Rula today. It's not fun at all.

Ronnie Karam (60:49)

It's not fun.

Ben Mandelker (60:50)

Look at me, I'm bougie. I'm drinking. So they're drinking hard ciders, and they're in a car, and. And Kelsey goes, I opened one of

Rosie (61:00)

these with my teeth before.

Ben Mandelker (61:01)

And so she puts it in her teeth, and everyone, including me, starts cringing like, don't do that.

Rosie (61:06)

Don't do that.

Ben Mandelker (61:08)

Hideous teeth only go one direction, and that's downhill. Don't.

Ronnie Karam (61:14)

When they're made out of a toilet lid. So good for her. So they get on these, like, little train cars, and basically you pedal the train cars so they're split up to these cars.

Ben Mandelker (61:24)

So fun. I want to do it.

Ronnie Karam (61:26)

Yeah. And Kelsey says, I packed so many snacks today, before I came here, I

Rula (61:30)

ate the leftover McDonald's cheeseburgers I put in the trash, you guys.

Ben Mandelker (61:35)

They're like, oh, okay. And then Ash is like, okay, we. She's like, we could be friends. That is something I would totally do, except I wouldn't. I don't eat leftovers from the trash. I just get my husband from there. So Rosie goes, well, I feel like

Rosie (61:51)

everything I eat makes me feel, like,

Ben Mandelker (61:52)

bloated and I feel sick. So, like, why not eat Taco Bell? Like, all I want.

Ronnie Karam (61:57)

Is that because of the Ozempic Sick? No, no.

Rula (61:59)

I've always been like that, you know?

Ronnie Karam (62:01)

Yeah.

Rula (62:01)

Like, I have colitis. That's why I had to quit, because I had to wear diapers to work.

Ronnie Karam (62:05)

And they're like, oh, my God. She was literally bleeding from her butthole, you guys.

Rosie (62:10)

Yeah. So then I took medical leave, and then I was on medical leave, and

Ben Mandelker (62:12)

I'm like, this is amazing. Why would I ever go back to work? Then Kelsey tells us.

Rosie (62:17)

Yeah, right.

Ben Mandelker (62:18)

She left on medical leave. No.

Rosie (62:20)

Me and the entire state of Rhode

Ben Mandelker (62:21)

island knows that she got fired for having an affair with one of the higher ups.

Ronnie Karam (62:25)

Cups.

Ben Mandelker (62:25)

Wait, what? And is this a different affair than the. Than the rumor about the. The coach from Providence College. How many affairs can be had by one cat?

Ronnie Karam (62:35)

This is so funny. So Kelsey's like, yes.

Rula (62:38)

I love that.

Ronnie Karam (62:39)

Rosie is like, oh, I don't want people to be talking about the affair. So I'm going to get them talking about my bleeding, my insane colitis,

Rosie (62:49)

because then my. My colitis magically cleared up. And I was like, all right, I'm

Ben Mandelker (62:52)

never going back to work. I'm like, like, you're working right now, sweetheart. Oh.

Ronnie Karam (62:57)

So Liz is saying, okay, that is

Ashley (63:00)

not at the party. I got mental. All right, But I got mental.

Rula (63:03)

Yeah, you did, but it was your party. You're allowed to get mental. You know, it's my party, and I'll

Ronnie Karam (63:08)

go through psychosis if I want to.

Rula (63:10)

You know, the cuckoo clock came out. It was the cuckoo clock. He came out of me.

Ben Mandelker (63:15)

Yeah. But you know what? I appreciate that. You know, this is Dolores. I'm here, everyone. So Alicia goes, yeah, she said you apologize.

Liz (63:22)

She's like, oh, did she say that?

Rosie (63:23)

It's like, yeah, she said that.

Liz (63:24)

She's like, yeah, well, she apologized to me too.

Rosie (63:26)

And, you know.

Liz (63:27)

But she probably didn't tell you that, huh? That she apologized to me.

Ben Mandelker (63:31)

Alicia goes, yeah, well, so then they finally get to this place, and I

Ronnie Karam (63:38)

already put them on the bike things. Sorry, everybody. Everyone's totally confused now.

Ben Mandelker (63:43)

Yeah, I didn't. Didn't realize we were. I also thought they were on the bikes, but they. We were actually in the cars. People can be like, you guys didn't even watch this show. We did watch it. We just. Sometimes it's hard to tell different forms of transportation.

Rula (63:56)

They went to a car to get

Ronnie Karam (63:57)

to another car to get to a rail car. Okay, this is, like, left out of.

Ben Mandelker (64:01)

Yeah, yeah. It's like, literally, like, multiple vehicles throughout the whole rest of the show.

Ronnie Karam (64:06)

Ruler is wacky Rula. So she pours drinks for people in the back of her little rail car thing, and Alicia makes some jokes.

Rula (64:14)

She's like, I never done this railroad thing. Like, I don't do spin classes. I don't ride a bike. You know, But I do James Fonda. That's what I do. I do James Fonda.

Ben Mandelker (64:21)

I still love her James Fonda.

Ronnie Karam (64:25)

Her workouts on YouTubes. I love her so much.

Ben Mandelker (64:29)

I love Jane's Fonda, but I love. I love her, obviously pluralizing Jane. Or it's either. It's either that she's pluralizing Jane, or she's making Fonda a possession of Jane. Yeah. But I love either version of that. But I also love her dedication to this long lost fitness fad. Just like, you know what I love doing? I love doing fitness from 40 years ago. Oh, it's so good.

Ronnie Karam (64:50)

It's actually really good. Whenever I'm working out, which has been a long time, but whenever I'm working out, I used to like to do eight minute abs, which you can find on YouTube. And that's from like the 80s too. And it's really grainy. It's like a little tiny square on the thing.

Ben Mandelker (65:05)

There's some. There are some. The person who invented eight minute abs, something just happened with this.

Liz (65:09)

Them.

Ronnie Karam (65:10)

Oh, God.

Ben Mandelker (65:12)

No, it's a thing. Maybe they died. I don't know either. I'm sorry. It was just in the news. I could swear it was just in the news. Okay. They're just doing these things. They're on this, like they're going down the track and Rosie is talking to, to Liz. There's, they're, they're in the same little cart thing. And Rosie's like, so how do you feel about Ashley?

Rosie (65:34)

And Liz is like, ah, you're so direct. She's like, I know, I can't even help it.

Liz (65:39)

Like, you know what, you know, what do I, what do I know about. She's, you know, my very first experience, fourth of July. It wasn't a great one. Okay. Like, she didn't even look at me.

Ben Mandelker (65:47)

And we see the 4th of July that Ashley barely said hi to Liz. So Liz is.

Rosie (65:53)

Rosie says, honestly, Liz, you can be like really scary.

Ben Mandelker (65:56)

Like, I don't think you realize how scary you are.

Rosie (65:58)

Like, you're so successful, you're beautiful, you have all these nice things about you.

Ashley (66:03)

But those aren't scary things. Is you're listing there? Those aren't scary things.

Rula (66:08)

But all of them together could be scary.

Ben Mandelker (66:11)

But by the way, when she says

Rosie (66:12)

those aren't scary things, she says that

Ben Mandelker (66:15)

in the scariest way. You could say that. Yeah.

Ashley (66:17)

Scary things right there. You know, maybe I do come across as scary, but I know where my heart resides. I would give you the shirt off my back, but I do find often when I come around the corner, people do jump. So maybe I am a little scary.

Ronnie Karam (66:37)

My God, I jump every time you come on the tv.

Ben Mandelker (66:41)

I know, Seriously. So they get to the end of this, like, track and Dolores is like, that was very fun. Thank you. It was almost as fun as that fruit salad you made me.

Ronnie Karam (66:54)

So now they go to like another little public park area where they sit on Adirondack chairs around a fire pit with real wood. Which means that there's tons of smoke blowing. And the wind starts blowing and just starts blowing all the smoke into Rosie's face. And she just sits there.

Ben Mandelker (67:09)

She doesn't move. Just wipes it off. Like, literally. She looks like she's crying, but she's just getting out of her eyes.

Ronnie Karam (67:14)

She's literally crying because there's so, so much smoke. And she doesn't move. Like, move. No. Do I have to come over there and move your chair? What are you doing?

Ben Mandelker (67:22)

And Fun Rula, she's like, guys, I have a buzz. Oh, my God. I'm being booze right now. Look at me. I'm so much more fun than Joellen, right, guys?

Rosie (67:31)

Look at me. Fun ruler. So they.

Ben Mandelker (67:33)

They. They sit, and they're like, wow.

Liz (67:36)

It's like, oh, wow, Rosie woods, you outdid yourself. Out of on deck chairs with a view of the sea. Wow. This is just the nicest thing we ever done did. Except for me. I mean, I have a sea wall in my backyard, but this is nice, too.

Ronnie Karam (67:49)

So Ashley and Rosie go walk to the water station, and Rosie's like, okay, so I was with Liz, obviously, and you came up.

Rula (67:55)

And I know she was just basically,

Ronnie Karam (67:57)

like, the first time I met Ashley, she snubbed me. I gonna kill the bitch. Like, literally take her on a fishing boat, throw her over while I stop the boat.

Rula (68:04)

So, yeah, you don't pay attention to

Ronnie Karam (68:05)

her, so you're not even trying.

Rula (68:07)

That's what she said.

Ronnie Karam (68:08)

So Ashley's like, oh, God. Oh, geez. Now what do I do? And really goes, they're having some side combos over there. Here's all I heard.

Rula (68:16)

Like.

Ronnie Karam (68:17)

Like.

Rula (68:17)

Like, I don't know.

Ben Mandelker (68:20)

Doing that. She's like, look at them, those young women just saying like. Like, like, all the time. God, they can't even speak right. So then basically, Ashley says, you know, my mom always said that when she was younger that people mistook her shyness for bitchiness.

Rosie (68:32)

I think that's what's happening here.

Ben Mandelker (68:33)

I'm just, like, truly shy in front of some people, especially the scary ones. So I'm gonna work on it.

Rula (68:39)

All right.

Ashley (68:39)

All right.

Rula (68:40)

Let me ask you a question. Like, I really want to help Pizza Baba. Okay? So I grow up Pizza Baba with Billy. Yeah. I got all these ideas, and I want to show up. I could do it, you know? Like, I'm not just a girl that's from Superior Bakery, which my grandfather started. Everyone knew him at Rhode island, you know, I'm just not someone who's going to do your laundry all day, you know?

Rosie (68:57)

What?

Liz (68:57)

I mean, so what do you mean? You're the name. You're the pizza mama. You invented it. You designed it.

Ben Mandelker (69:03)

I don't want to do it.

Rosie (69:05)

And Alicia's like, no, none of it's

Ben Mandelker (69:07)

in my name, though, FYI.

Rosie (69:08)

She's like, but you have to demand it.

Liz (69:10)

It's up to you to manage it.

Rosie (69:11)

It's like.

Ben Mandelker (69:12)

So Ashley says, well, have you ever

Rosie (69:14)

had a conversation about it?

Ben Mandelker (69:15)

And so then they decide that they're going to do some role playing where Kelsey is going to pretend to be Bill and Alicia is gonna talk. Is going to. It's gonna talk to Kelsey like she's Bill.

Rula (69:29)

Alicia goes, okay, okay, I love doing this stuff.

Ronnie Karam (69:33)

I love that Alicia's just role playing with her friends often. Okay, I'm Bill.

Rula (69:37)

Okay, so what are you gonna say to Bill? Okay, look, here's the thing, Bill. I can't have sex with you all the time because it's not like I'd rather go to bed and watch Love Island. There, I said it.

Rosie (69:47)

Yeah, I'd rather go to bed.

Ben Mandelker (69:49)

She's like, okay, well, do you want, like, how about something more specific? He's like, okay, well, I'm not putting you on the house, Alicia, which is the thing that we're really here to talk about, not Love Island.

Rosie (70:01)

Oh, yeah. Well, then I say, please, Billy, I have all these ideas, like, pizza mama without asking for a dollar back and knowing that I'm getting zero for like 11 years or something like that. And, like, I'm giving you my whole life. Life and. But, like, at the heart of it, like, you should be putting me on a house because you should want to take care of me. I'm the mother of your daughter and I love you. Isn't that enough? Like that showing me something, huh? Isn't that enough, Billy, cry.

Ronnie Karam (70:28)

That was actually really good. You didn't even need this work like you have it. So just go say that. And so rule is like, yeah, and tell him there's intrinsic value of being a wife and a mother that you're not being compensated for.

Ashley (70:40)

Okay.

Ronnie Karam (70:40)

Even my kids got $9 trillion yesterday to water.

Ben Mandelker (70:45)

Yeah, there's an intrinsic value of being a wife and a mother. Kelsey turns around and goes, she doesn't even know what intrinsic means.

Ronnie Karam (70:53)

And then it comes to Alicia, and

Rula (70:54)

Alicia's like, yeah, what was that?

Rosie (70:57)

But I can say in Spanish, had a great teacher.

Ronnie Karam (71:00)

Okay, let me put it in layman's terms.

Rula (71:02)

I don't know what that is either. Okay, let me make it simple.

Ronnie Karam (71:05)

Just because you're not actively earning an income. You're doing laundry, you're doing cooking, cleaning, whatever.

Rula (71:10)

Helping with stuff. You got value. She's like, oh, my God. Rule is so financially independent. Like, I envy that about her. I. I hate asking Billy for money. Like, I feel almost embarrassed or intimidated with, like, the whole financial thing.

Rosie (71:22)

This is like.

Rula (71:23)

Wait, you guys. What were you talking about earlier? You know, because I saw you. You guys over there. You was talking. What were you saying?

Rosie (71:30)

Oh, we were just having a little chat. Yeah. Well, what happened? Oh, well, nothing. We were talking about how Rosie and I have been very intimidated by Liz.

Ben Mandelker (71:38)

You. That one. Oh, my God. She's looking right back at me. I should never said her word name.

Rosie (71:42)

I hear if you say Liz's name

Ben Mandelker (71:44)

three times in a row, she comes through your. Your mirror and drags you into another world.

Ronnie Karam (71:48)

Rosie says, don't rub me into this.

Rula (71:50)

I did tell you on the rails,

Ronnie Karam (71:51)

though, that, you know, sometimes you can be scary, Liz, you know, which is true.

Rula (71:54)

Like, you know, intimidating. But I'm not scared now. You know, sometimes. Well, okay, I'm a little scared.

Ashley (72:00)

Was like, you're on this list. I got this really silly exterior, but deep down, I'm super sensitive. And I think that's why, you know, I think maybe it could be partly a defense mechanism or partly. Maybe this just be the badass will

Rula (72:16)

kill you if you with her.

Liz (72:18)

I don't really allow many people to get close especially fast. And I've experienced so much loss in my life that I either don't want to get close to people or then I lose them and don't want to get close to people and then be disappointed about them.

Rosie (72:32)

Like, okay, so Liz is like, you

Liz (72:34)

know, sometimes I, you know, I. I sometimes tend to jump down people's throats, but not on purpose.

Ronnie Karam (72:39)

So Rosie asked her if.

Ben Mandelker (72:41)

Yeah, exactly.

Ronnie Karam (72:42)

Do you think, well, that's what happened on Saturday.

Ashley (72:44)

And she goes, Saturday and my party. No, I was heated. I was drunk, and I'm not proud of it. No, my brain is, Mama.

Ronnie Karam (72:52)

Circumstances happen, and you move on. Next, has anybody tried Liz's iced coffee?

Ben Mandelker (72:59)

It pairs beautifully with fruit salad. They all say it, I say it. So Rosie goes, well, Alicia, you said

Rosie (73:06)

she's always been like that, which is like, with what? It's like, you know, you.

Ashley (73:10)

That.

Rosie (73:10)

That Liz just gets mad. Why?

Rula (73:13)

Huh?

Rosie (73:13)

You know, when you said she, you know, she's hoping to never react that way again, you should have said, it's probably not gonna change Rosie. I wouldn't do that, though. I wouldn't do that. Were cut from the same cement. Cloth.

Ben Mandelker (73:28)

You got cloth?

Rosie (73:28)

I'll take some cloth. No, no, you're cut from the same cloth. Why are you cutting your cloth? Why you buy cloth to cut it? See, this is what's wrong with you.

Rula (73:35)

Listen, I just said what it is. Okay? Don't be trinic. But like, why did you say that? And Rosie's like, because I asked, like, has she always been like this? Wait, you know what?

Ashley (73:44)

How was that?

Rula (73:44)

Don't turn that around. Don't turn that around right now. Don't, don't, don't, don't, don't turn it around.

Ronnie Karam (73:48)

She goes, oh, my God, freak out,

Rula (73:49)

but then be cool is what she meant. Rosie, Rosie. I would do that if I were you. Just keep it real. Okay? Don't do that. Okay.

Ronnie Karam (73:56)

And so Rosie' like, okay, well, I guess she's upset that I told the truth.

Ben Mandelker (74:01)

Yeah. But I also kind of thought like that was. It was just like a fact that we were all acknowledging. And I guess you really can't be

Rosie (74:07)

honest or transparent because everybody's afraid.

Ronnie Karam (74:09)

So Alicia's okay being honest and transparent. Lady who made up colitis to get out of being fired for the boss

Ben Mandelker (74:17)

and obviously pitting these two against each other is very Whitney Rose. Like, so, yeah, that's her.

Ronnie Karam (74:22)

That's her role in this. She's just going to go try and start fights with everybody all the time.

Ashley (74:26)

Time.

Ben Mandelker (74:27)

She's like a Whitney Rose, but a Whitney Rose who's kind of disgusted by things, which I like.

Rosie (74:31)

So Alicia says, no, I said, this is who you are. This is Liz. And you know, they're like, they're like trying to make it into something like, you know. And so Rosie goes, you just admitted you said it. I mean, I, I didn't admit this. Don't flip like that. Don't flip that. Don't do that to me. Don't put in my mouth, okay? Unless it's a pizza chip. I'll eat a pizza chip from Superior Bakery. My grandfather started Superior Bakery. Don't even, don't even say his name. Stop talking about Superior Bakery. Because guess what?

Ronnie Karam (74:54)

What?

Rosie (74:55)

You know me like that.

Rula (74:55)

Y.

Rosie (74:56)

Okay, Once you flip your. I'll never see you in the same light again. So you slow your roll, cuz you're not hot. You're not hot. You don't even have a piece of chips in your name. What bakery did you work in? None. Huh?

Ronnie Karam (75:05)

Gone.

Rula (75:06)

Oh, yeah. Now I know who you really are. Don't with me, okay?

Ashley (75:09)

And look like it's all right, babe. Okay.

Rula (75:12)

No, it's not all right. It's all right, cuz she twisted my words, all right? And I don't even know that many, so. You're a troll. You're a troll is what you are.

Liz (75:21)

Someone get on a thick noon already.

Rosie (75:24)

You know, I. I don't like feeling betrayed. Like, what are you trying to do? Like, what are you trying to. What are you trying to prove? I wasn't bashing Liz, and I don't like how Rosie twisted it. I don't like that behavior. I don't like the snakes.

Liz (75:35)

I don't like it at all.

Rula (75:36)

She me. And I'm not into that. I'm not into that. All right, you did me and you know what now? Welcome to Rhode Island. Welcome to Rhode Island. This is how we roll.

Ronnie Karam (75:45)

Look, isn't she from Rhode Island?

Ben Mandelker (75:48)

I know.

Ronnie Karam (75:48)

Like, literally does the local news on Rhode Island. You're like, welcome to Rhode Island. I think she understands Rhode Island. I think at this point.

Ben Mandelker (75:56)

I'm sorry, I just really miss watching the OCA Sometimes I have to quote

Rosie (75:59)

it, you know, It's a great show. 20 years old.

Rula (76:02)

Thirsty. You're so thirsty, it's scary. Whore. You're a fucking whore is what you are.

Ronnie Karam (76:07)

I was like, whoa, whoa.

Ben Mandelker (76:09)

I love this. I love this. So Ash is like, I don't even know what happened, but I want to cry. So Alicia goes off and he's like, Roller tries to go after. And Alicia's like, no, no, no.

Rosie (76:20)

I need to get out of here, because I'm not. I'm gonna end. I'm killer. I'm gonna kill her. No.

Ben Mandelker (76:24)

Calm down a second.

Rosie (76:25)

Come here. Come here.

Ben Mandelker (76:26)

Okay. Come here. Okay, I got a buzz. I'm being a bit bougie right now. Okay. I apologize for yelling back at the fire.

Ashley (76:33)

Liz is like, did I miss something there?

Ronnie Karam (76:36)

Roach is like, I don't even know how this happened.

Rula (76:38)

I'm just, like, so starstruck by it that, like, what?

Ben Mandelker (76:43)

It's like, wow, this fight. It's like Denzel Washington walked in. I'm so starstruck by it. I think she. I think she.

Rosie (76:52)

I think she thinks that I was

Ben Mandelker (76:54)

trying to start a problem with you, which I was.

Rosie (76:55)

But now I'm gonna act like I didn't.

Ben Mandelker (76:57)

And I just don't know why she doesn't realize that I'm not starting a problem with you.

Rula (76:59)

Oh, yeah.

Ashley (77:00)

Oh, yeah. I could hear you over there.

Rula (77:01)

I could hear you.

Ashley (77:01)

You know what I could handle?

Rula (77:02)

What?

Ashley (77:02)

What? What?

Rula (77:03)

I was just saying you tried to do something you shouldn't have done. You know, like, you just did the most grossest thing ever. Okay, it was the most grossest. Like, thank you for showing me your cards. Thanks for showing me your cards.

Ben Mandelker (77:14)

Okay, Liz isn't upset about anything. It's okay.

Rosie (77:17)

It doesn't matter how she twisted things. It's what's. It's what's weird. In me out, okay? It's like a.

Ben Mandelker (77:22)

It's like driving on bridges.

Rosie (77:23)

Who does that? Right? Because people like that, they're just like a little troll. Like, snake eyes. But, like, that's just not my style. Okay, you know what? I'm a local road.

Ben Mandelker (77:31)

You're a highway.

Rosie (77:31)

Get out of here, you.

Ronnie Karam (77:33)

I feel really bad for Rosie because, like, this is a demonstration of Alicia's gonna defend Liz, you know? And I don't know, it's not that deep. It's nutso. I've never seen anything like this on my entire life.

Rosie (77:46)

She's like, I would never have said it if I thought you would react this way. Like, Jesus.

Rula (77:52)

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I didn't like the way you looked, okay? I don't like the way I looked. Yeah, you look like a pizza chip with ice, okay?

Ronnie Karam (77:59)

And pizza chip shouldn't talk.

Rosie (78:02)

Yeah, your eyes look sneaky. You just get a sneaky little troll. It's like. Well, maybe I'm like, maybe because I'm in the middle of the smoke.

Rula (78:08)

It's like, no, no, I don't like snakes either.

Ronnie Karam (78:10)

And you're a snake, though.

Rula (78:11)

You're a snake and a troll. Okay? Snake, Troll person.

Liz (78:15)

All right, Alicia, come on. Come here. Listen, listen. Alicia, Alicia, Alicia.

Ben Mandelker (78:19)

So Liz goes after Alicia.

Liz (78:20)

Come on, Alicia. What's going on over here?

Rula (78:24)

She's. You know what? She lies. That freaks me out. Like, I don't like that. Okay?

Ronnie Karam (78:28)

Liz goes, what's happening?

Ashley (78:29)

Hey, by the way, do I have

Rula (78:30)

chocolate on my mouth? Just. No, you know what? Like, I feel like I'm drooling, too.

Ronnie Karam (78:33)

Am I drooling?

Liz (78:35)

What happened to you is. Is what happened to me Saturday night. I had the exact response. Worse, actually. In some ways, my storyline's a little

Rosie (78:42)

bit better than yours.

Liz (78:43)

And I regretted it the next day.

Rula (78:45)

No, no, I'm not going to regret it.

Ronnie Karam (78:47)

I promise you that.

Ashley (78:48)

Gabby, your reaction, you might.

Rula (78:49)

You might.

Ronnie Karam (78:50)

You might.

Ashley (78:50)

You might regret it.

Rosie (78:52)

No, no, not with her. No. I was too loyal to her, too. You know, I don't give a. But I'm like, not with her.

Liz (78:57)

Not with her.

Ben Mandelker (78:58)

So then Ashley's like, well, that was shocking for Me to see. And Rosie's like, shocking for me to experience. Jesus. I guess that's her thing, is that she just says Jesus at the end of everything when she's dismayed. Jesus.

Ronnie Karam (79:10)

They're all just cracking up that Alicia is losing it. It's like one little thing. And now Alicia's gonna scream and yell for the rest of the night. They're cracking up because it really is funny. And so now they come back because Liz has calmed her down and Kelsey's like, yeah, Rosie just exaggerates and manipulates stories and, you know, don't keep talking about nonsense.

Rula (79:30)

You get what you get.

Ronnie Karam (79:31)

So they come back and Alicia's like, you know what?

Rula (79:33)

I. I tell Liz exactly how I feel.

Ashley (79:35)

She goes, I didn't say you didn't.

Rula (79:37)

Yeah, you just acted weird. And I don't like what you did. You know what? You distracted me tonight. You distracted me.

Ben Mandelker (79:42)

You distracted me. It's like, well, I'm sorry I disrespected you.

Rosie (79:45)

I didn't mean to. Well, then learn from that. It's like, well, I think you misinterpreted it. No, I didn't. It's like, well, I think it had an intrinsic thing.

Ben Mandelker (79:52)

I just said that to confuse you.

Rula (79:55)

Where am I? Where am I?

Rosie (79:56)

How do we get into.

Ronnie Karam (79:57)

Oh, my God, can we go talk about it?

Rula (80:00)

She goes, oh, you know what? Like, I'd rather you tell me. Sorry. Like, just tell. Just say sorry.

Ronnie Karam (80:04)

She's like, just come talk to me. And so they walk away.

Rula (80:07)

Now Liz is like, oh, God, why

Ashley (80:09)

you gotta walk over there to talk about it?

Rosie (80:14)

So leash is like, rosie, you just threw me for a loop. She's like, I don't understand. I had a whole conversation with Liz on the way here, and I said, a lot of times I feel intimidated by you, and I feel like people walk on eggshells with you. She's like, well, she knows that.

Liz (80:25)

Exactly.

Rosie (80:26)

So I was like, why is it

Liz (80:27)

okay to call me out?

Ben Mandelker (80:28)

But you're not gonna call her out?

Ronnie Karam (80:31)

So Ruler's like, where's the. Give me some of that. They're like, is there any more? It's bougie Ruler.

Rosie (80:39)

Okay, back to me. Rosie, can you just understand that I'm not coming from a bad place? What, like Cranston?

Ben Mandelker (80:45)

No, I'm literally don't even live there.

Rosie (80:47)

Okay, well, if you say you're sorry, I'm good. Good, good.

Liz (80:49)

Well, I'm really sorry.

Ben Mandelker (80:50)

And I just don't want us to not be friends. I just don't want it to Be

Rosie (80:53)

like you secretly hating me.

Rula (80:56)

Like, I don't hate you. I don't hate.

Ronnie Karam (80:57)

What are you talking about?

Rula (80:58)

Okay. Okay, we're good. Are you good? Okay, because I can get over. I can get over it. Okay, you. You can't, though, right? Because you. You gotta work past this.

Rosie (81:07)

You know what? I'm a sensitive gangster.

Ben Mandelker (81:10)

Yeah. All of a sudden, Alicia's like, no, I love you.

Ronnie Karam (81:13)

Get over it. What are you mad about?

Rosie (81:16)

I had a Fig Newton.

Ben Mandelker (81:16)

You weren't watching. I had a fig Newton.

Rosie (81:18)

I feel so much better sometimes. I have a temper. I forgive easily. You know, all you have to do is say sorry. You know, if I had my peppermint oil, I probably wouldn't have been. I probably would have been more calm. The smell, you know, it calms me down. It's like, you know, Mary Catherine Gallagher's. You know, you put your fingers in the. In your. In your armpits and you smell. I can't even do it. I can't.

Ben Mandelker (81:34)

I can't do it. I can't do it. It's too much.

Ronnie Karam (81:36)

Somehow. They hug, and everyone's like, oh, my

Rula (81:38)

God, did she just hug her?

Ronnie Karam (81:40)

And they go, God, this is record time at Flip Flop World.

Ashley (81:43)

Yeah, that's why we call Cece the Flip Flop Up. That's why we call it that.

Ben Mandelker (81:47)

And that's where it ends. Is hilarious. That was a very funny fight, mainly because it was Alicia talking the entire time. And just hearing her talk is hilarious to me.

Ronnie Karam (81:57)

So silly. All right, everybody, thanks so much for being here. That brings us to the end. We'll see you tomorrow for some more recoupage. Oh, actually, tomorrow's gonna be a little late. It's not going up till tomorrow night because I will be traveling. Okay, just put out the word. We'll talk to you next time, everybody.

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Love you.

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Ben Mandelker (83:55)

Brenda Silva. Let's get real with Caitlin o'.

Liz (83:58)

Neal.

Ronnie Karam (83:59)

Put us on a stretcher. It's Charlotte Fletcher. Hogle your horses. It's Christine Hogel don't get salty with Christine Pepper can't have a meal without the Emily sides.

Ben Mandelker (84:09)

Who, what, why, where? And Gwen Pentland. Nobody holds a candle to Jamie Kendall. We got our wish. It's Jen Plish. My Favorite Murdo Karen McMurdo let's get savage With Lord Laura Wildman in the study with a candlestick. It's Leslie Peacock. We're ride or die for Lisa Ryder Baron. She's a whiz. It's Liz Sarthy Always killing it.

Rosie (84:31)

It's Lola Al Kalani.

Ben Mandelker (84:32)

Roger that. It's Marla's Rogers.

Ronnie Karam (84:34)

The incredible edible Matthew Sisters. She eases our woes. It's Melissa St. Rose. She's the lady of the house. It's Rachel Charouse. There's a chance of meatballs. It's Rebecca Cloud. She's our princess. And it's Rebecca Prince.

Ben Mandelker (84:48)

Maximum love for Sandy Maximoska. She's the queen bee. It's Sarah Lemke.

Ronnie Karam (84:53)

We cannot tell a lie.

Ben Mandelker (84:55)

It's Sarah Tell of son Shannon out of a cannon. Anthony, please don't stop at solely and pop. Let's take off with Tamla Plane.

Ronnie Karam (85:03)

Strike a pose. It's Tori Rose. She ain't no shrinking violet Coutar. We love you guys.

Paige Desorbo (85:15)

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Ben Mandelker (85:55)

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Paige Desorbo (86:11)

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