Ben (1:30)

I'm good. I'm giving Bueller some butt scratches. He just came in for some butt scratches right at the start. Okay. Are you good here? Okay. That's all you're gonna get today. Welcome to Southern Hospitality Day. If you want this recap on video or you want bonus episodes this week of Survivor or you want Discord Server, a free newsletter or ad, free listening that is all available on patreon.com watchwatch sur. Go over there and check it out. Today is Southern Hospitality Season 4, Episode 8, what's it called? My Chemical Bromance.

Ronnie (2:08)

I have really never been happier to not be part of a trend. Like, I have been not being part of the emo scene. Gosh, I watched this episode and I was like, I am so glad that, that, like, I missed this window. I was already like an adult, you know? Like, it made me so happy.

Ben (2:29)

It's a long window, though, right? Because they did it on Vanderpump Rules like two years ago.

Ronnie (2:33)

Yeah, I mean, I guess, like. I guess like the. I mean, emo was a. Was a big thing. But I'm just saying, like, I'm glad that when I was in high school, like, the vibes were more like grunge.

Ben (2:45)

I like the Grunge thing you met back then, the emo thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, it was happening when I was young, but I was already emo. So to me, it was just a bunch of fakers. I was like, I've been doing this since. Since I was a baby. Now, you guys just put on some eyeliner, and it's a movement. Get the out of here.

Ronnie (3:03)

Yeah. Because I felt like emo is just sort of like a more diluted grunge, a more diluted goth mixed together. Just make, like, largely generic music. I mean, I definitely have some emo songs in my. My library. You know, I've got some. Got some yellow card. I've got, like, hubastank. You know, I've got all those things. But, like, just so glad I never got caught up in the spiky hair and the mascara. I'm like, g. Just feels. Yes, I have a faux hawk. I had a Faux Hawk in 2005 that was never quite properly formed. Yeah, it was not a triumph, but,

Ben (3:40)

yeah, I guess I remember I didn't know you, though, but I've seen pictures of you. Yeah. With a faux hawk.

Ronnie (3:44)

I'd like a little peak. It was like a little. It was like a little something. It was like a little birdhouse. But I never quite, like, shaved the side of my head, so it didn't quite look like a foh. It just looked like my hair just sort of like, rose up, you know?

Ben (3:58)

Yeah. I had a moment in my 20s where I was, like, combat, and in high school, actually, where I was like, combat boots and all black and, like, I wore a long, black trench coat and I had really long black hair that was curly and that I could, like, sometimes put up, like, let's face it, like, the look was not great. But back then, that wasn't really a thing. But, yeah, that was a look. And I remember I went to my sister's college. She spent her first year in Lubbock. And that is, like, real, like, Texas Y cowboy Texas Y. And I was walking through a Walmart dress like that, and people were like, what the fuck is that? People? Piece of walking in our Walmart. But I don't know if that was emo or not. Was it? I guess it's close, right? No, I really loved my docks, though. I had to, like, make a look to work with the docks because I just really wanted those docks so bad. Definitely a look.

Ronnie (4:52)

Yeah.

Ben (4:52)

At least we earned it back then, you know, like, we felt it. We were like, emo. These people didn't earn it. Yeah, come on.

Ronnie (4:59)

Like, yeah. Moshing to like, Fall Out Boy, whatever. Before we start the show, shout out to the Fixing Famous people podcast. Chris DeRosa and Dominic Pupa, thank you for having me on. That episode. Is now live and we talk about Misha Barton and her life and times, my experiences with her and how we can fix her, get her back on the right track. It was a really, really fun and funny podcast. So go check that out wherever you listen to podcast. Thanks for having me on, guys.

Ben (5:36)

Go check it out. Oh, and tell people where to vote for your board game podcast too, because there were confused people in comments yesterday trying to find it.

Ronnie (5:43)

Okay, so a few things on that. So it's at the. The website is boardgamegeek.com and then you do slgoldengeek boardgamegeek.com goldengeek. But the thing is this, if you want to vote, what I've now learned is you do have to be a member of the website and then you have to have a thing called, like, Geek Gold. So honestly, if it's like too much of a pain, like, don't bother. I get it. I didn't. I'm not trying to get everyone to sign up for things and whatever. Geek Gold.

Ben (6:17)

Geek out to vote for the geek thing. You see.

Ronnie (6:19)

Yeah. And like, I don't know. I have Geek Gold that I can give people, but I don't know if that's quote unquote ethical for an award, like an awards thing for me to be like, here, here's some geek.

Ben (6:30)

He was buying votes with Geek Gold.

Ronnie (6:32)

I don't know if that's right to do. So, like, if you can't do it, it's fine. I will not be offended. Like, I appreciate it. I appreciate the people who message me about it. I appreciate it. But like, please don't spend any. I don't know if it costs money to get the Geek Gold. I just sort of. I. If you contribute a lot to those forms, you just sort of naturally get it because people just have it. It's weird. I don't know. I don't know how it works. But like, please don't spend any money if they. If that's the thing. Because someone said, like, I donated to the site to get Geek Gold, but it still wouldn't let me do it. I'm like, please don't spend money to do.

Ben (7:01)

Oh, no. Oh, gosh.

Ronnie (7:02)

If you, if you happen to be a member already or whatever, I would appreciate your vote. But don't go above and beyond in my pursuit of My own personal egotist. I. I appreciate the sentiment nonetheless.

Ben (7:16)

Okay.

Ronnie (7:16)

They should make it easier.

Ben (7:17)

That's cool.

Ronnie (7:18)

I don't know why they do that.

Ben (7:20)

Well, you know, I've always said the same thing about taxes. So here we go. Mia is doing laser hair removal. Well, yeah, I want you to win that thing.

Ronnie (7:30)

Thank you.

Ben (7:31)

You know, I want you to be like, we're not just some Bravo podcast. Ben has a geek. He has a golden geek.

Ronnie (7:38)

I also record a podcast with several middle aged straight men. Guys. We talk about cards and dice.

Ben (7:48)

Yeah, that's my man. So Mia is doing at home laser hair. I've always wondered how this works, because I have one of those things. And I was like, ow. And I didn't even do it on my nuts, but she was doing it on her bikini line and, you know, screamed every time that it zapped her, but. But I don't know, it gave me some kind of strength. I was like, maybe I can try again. Not really on my nuts. I don't know if you're supposed to use it on your nuts, but I try it on my shoulders or wherever. I'm starting to get little old man hairs coming up. But I think I did it wrong. But maybe I didn't do it wrong. Cause I screamed. So I guess that's what you have to do. I'll try it next time at the bathtub. So she FaceTimes with TJ, who's in New York, and he's like, oh, my God, it's so nice to be out of Charleston. We're going to gay meeting. We're going to gay bars and stuff, and it's gonna be crazy. We're gonna find some guys. And, you know, I want to hear about the paint and sip, though. And it's like, those girls are like, ridiculous. Like I'm. It's like in middle school, like, like you held hands with my boyfriend. I don't like you. It's like this whole situation. I'm dipped out. I dipped out. I dipped out.

Ronnie (8:52)

What? Like, what do you mean? Because that's it. Oh, gotcha. Wait, did you really need that clarification, tj? Wait, when you said dipped out, did you mean that you went and bought, like, a lot of dip and then you ran out? She's like, no, I meant that I'm done with it. I mean. Oh, okay. Just want to be sure. Thanks. So she says, this whole Justin thing, I'm done with it. I'm over it at this point. I don't need all this drama. I got other Things to focus on. You know, I've got athlete DMS to answer back to.

Ben (9:16)

Hehe.

Ronnie (9:18)

And she's like, I'm just so jealous that you're in New York. If I were there, I would have had six boyfriends by now. He's like, yeah, me too. I, I, I don't, I don't have any boyfriends. But that's okay. I'll bring you back some dumplings from New York. You like you're down soggy old dumplings, right?

Ben (9:34)

Yeah. I feel like if I ever got DMS from an athlete, they would just say something like please stop trying. Or like some people just weren't born for this. The answer, I don't think I'm, I

Ronnie (9:49)

don't think I'm ever going to get a DM from an athlete. That's, that's just like not in my cards. I don't know what that would even be like.

Ben (9:57)

Well, so a guy on a, a guy with a baby stroller passes and he's like, excuse you, you're in the middle of the walkway. Look around. Jesus. You're the one walking your baby through a busy street. Sir, I'm calling child services.

Ronnie (10:11)

And in TJ's defense, TJ was a little bit off to the side. Like there was plenty of room for you and your baby vehicle, sir. But I did laugh also. So then we see Michaels and he's like arriving with his talent manager, Corey, and he's, Cory's like, hi, welcome to New York. How's your place? It was honestly like not so bad. Like I made out with all the people in my row. It was like kind of amazing. Like very liberating. Like it was a little weird when I like took off my shirt like in the middle of landing. But like everyone was down with it. It was pretty cool though.

Ben (10:44)

I wish my mom was there to see it. So he's like, okay, we've got photos from the so Dot gay shoot. Okay, this is the COVID It is you standing extremely awkwardly in a gigantic shoulder padded blazer. We just look at him, he's like, that is so dark.

Ronnie (11:06)

Michael's like, oh my God. That's like sick. Oh my God. So this will be your first cover. I love it. Like, and I think it's like giving old Hollywood glamour. Can someone remind me what actually is old Hollywood glamour? I just sort of said it is this. Oh, I take it back. This is not giving old Hollywood glamour. This has looks nothing like old Hollywood glamour.

Ben (11:30)

I was gonna say. What?

Ronnie (11:32)

Who?

Ben (11:33)

Could you name one? Name one old Hollywood glamour person that this reminds you of. I was like, yeah. I was sitting there and I was like, that's not like me. That's like FaceApp. You know, like when you do a face app version of yourself and it's like, sick. This was like that. But, like, it was me. It was like. So I was like, you're hot as

Ronnie (11:52)

it's called retouching and airbrushing. You basically did get this.

Ben (11:56)

Yeah, it's the original. It's the original. Okay. Before there were apps, there were actually people who sat there and painted your face.

Ronnie (12:03)

The apps, the apps were based off of the process of doing your face for magazine covers. Like, oh, my God. Like, oh, this is like, amazing. Like, my body looks so tired.

Ben (12:16)

Okay, so there's like, a couple more meetings I want to set up for you. We had one minor setback where one of the brands had to cancel because it's a popular dating app and they were ready to offer a deal, but it turned out you'd been banned from the platform. So what the hell did you do to do that? It's like, oh. Oh, my God. I don't even remember why.

Ronnie (12:38)

Yeah, I, like, don't know. Like, I actually don't remember what I did to get myself banned. But, like, were you posing this posting news? He's like, oh, my God, that's so tea right now.

Ben (12:54)

So, okay, well, we're going to try and get you reinstated and try and get that deal. But you know, like, you were so professional on set and, you know, influencer managers heard about that at Men's Warehouse. Men's Warehouse actually has a bulletin out where if anyone hears of well behaved models, we ding Men's Wearhouse. And Men's Warehouse heard about it and they want you. They love well behaved models. Okay, so you get to do a Men's Warehouse thing.

Ronnie (13:22)

We're in a little bit of a. A little bit of a pickle here, though, because that's so gay. Magazine found out that you're doing a menswearhouse campaign and they would like to revoke your cover. So they said it.

Ben (13:34)

Send them my dick. Send them my dick, though. Just send him my dick.

Ronnie (13:38)

Wait. Okay, we'll do that. It's like, no, this section is, like, so good because, like, I actually, like, wear a suit for work. And, like, the suit I wear is actually from Men's Wearhouse. It's, like, so amazing.

Ben (13:52)

Cory's like, oh, my God. There you go. Proud of you. Congratulations, by the way. That's gross. But you know what? You just Got a national campaign so let's go baby. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a crappin's commercial.

Ronnie (14:07)

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Ben (14:18)

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Ronnie (14:29)

Now. My aesthetic, or at least my attempted aesthetic, is mid century modern. I don't always stick the landing. But that's why I go to Wayfair, because it actually really helps me get there. Cuz sometimes I'm bad at curating my own stuff. So that's why you go to some place like Wayfair and they just have it there for you and just click and buy and then your home looks beautiful.

Ben (14:46)

It's so easy to find what you need in any style. You just type it in. There's great filters there to, you know, make the results easier to go through, to comb through, find what you need. You can even get someone to come over and put this stuff together because that's the worst part of it to me is when you order something that needs to be put together and then it's reliant on Ronnie ability, which is very little, let's be honest. So thanks Wayfair.

Ronnie (15:10)

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Ben (15:55)

spring greens and more.

Ronnie (15:57)

Enjoy the fresh flavors of spring and save at Whole Foods Market. So now we go to Joe's apartment and he's on the phone coordinating his his emo night party. And he's like, all right, yeah, okay, I'm gonna try to sell as many tickets as possible. And he's talking to a girl named Cameron, which makes me Think there's only one girl named Cameron in Charleston. So clearly it's Cameron from Original Southern Charm. And she's like, okay, you stupid face. So you really think you're gonna throw a party with 300 people? Okay, we'll see about that.

Ben (16:31)

Bye now.

Ronnie (16:32)

Bye. Ah, it's like.

Ben (16:35)

You're the best, Cami. Do not call me Cami. I'm not your mother or your sister. My name is Cameron. Do you understand? Man child Cameron.

Ronnie (16:45)

Now. Excuse me, I have Shepard on the other line. So Maddie is like, joe, I'm coming over. Let's talk. Okay, I haven't talked or I haven't talked to or slept in the same bed with Maddie in like a week. I just can't believe it's been so long since I've talked to her. So, like, this has, like, never happened. Like, it's been like a nightmare. Like, turning 30 alone is like, making me freak the fuck out. Like, on top of that, you know? Like, what?

Ben (17:17)

Turning 30 alone is so hard. Turning 30 alone.

Ronnie (17:21)

Shut up. I don't want to die alone.

Ben (17:25)

I could die. I'm 30 now. Yeah, you never know. Old age could just put me under, you know? Like, I spent so much money on this and I, like, I'm putting so much, like, stuff into this party. Like, I just wanna. I don't have to be worried about our relationship. So then Maddie is coming. So he hears her coming and he's

Ronnie (17:42)

like,

Ben (17:45)

like, trying to cry and look really sad. He's like, disheveling himself, trying to look really sad.

Ronnie (17:51)

So come on, these two just like, crack me up. So Maddie walks into this house that she presumably has been in many times. She walks in and doesn't see Joe anywhere in this lofted house. It's like a single story apartment with a loft. She's looking around, she's like, joe, Joe. Where's Joe? Did he fall down a well? He's like, I'm up here. Huh? Where? Huh? He's in the walls. Stranger things. He's in the guys. Joe's in the underneath. He's in the upside down. He's in the Warrior for the whatever God, we got to save Joe. I'm like, just go up the staircase that the voice came from Maddie.

Ben (18:20)

He's right up the stairs. He'll be okay.

Ronnie (18:22)

It's right there is up there.

Ben (18:26)

Yeah. So she goes up and she goes, oh, my God, Joe, I don't like your outfit. White on cream. Like, what are you doing, Joe? Like, how are you showing people that you're ready to run A bar when you're wearing white on cream.

Ronnie (18:39)

Well, my inspiration was that I got a latte with, like. I got, like. It was like a vanilla latte with foam. So, like, my body is like that. My legs are like the. The body of the latte and the top. I get it, Joe. I understand. I'm not saying. I'm just saying it's fine on a drink. It's not good for an outfit. God, you're out of control. You're spiraling. White on cream.

Ben (18:59)

Well, I'm sorry that I'm about to turn 30 alone and I'm not really thinking about my outfit.

Ronnie (19:04)

Okay.

Ben (19:04)

I just need, like, my best friend, my girlfriend, she's like, yeah, and I just want you to be there for me this week because I'm not in a good place. She goes, you know what? Like, okay, I'm sorry for seeing red sometimes. I would appreciate seeing red right now, cuz. White on cream. Serious. Okay, Let that go. Yeah, but, like, I'm just, like, I had a conversation with Leva yesterday, and, like, I got a bunch of, like, clarity.

Ronnie (19:27)

Yeah, clarity on the situation, specifically. What situation? The situation of you leaving and saying you're gonna work and then, like, you're leaving and then, like, going out and, like, drinking. It's like, it's not cute. Like, you're turning 30 years old. I don't want to do it alone. Quiet, Joe. Like, you need to reel it in. You have a hard time saying no and having boundaries. I'm not some crazy alcoholic. Like, I don't appreciate the way you phrase that, but go on. I'm just, like, very professional. I, like, I'm not one of these crazy, cuckoo weirdo, like, strange people who's an alcoholic, you know? I'm saying. Maddie, please, Joe, stop trying to say it that way. Okay, I guess I go out, I have a better chance of meeting investors for future location elsewhere other than Republic. Like, you're trying to find potential investors for something that doesn't exist. What are you talking about?

Ben (20:15)

Nobody, no potential investor is going to give money to some drunk guy in the club who's, like, pitching stupid. That's what stupid guys do at clubs. They're like, hey, I got an idea. My idea. No, I'm not going to give you money for that. So Maddie's like, okay, so you go out and network and you meet these investors. Where are they? Where they at, Joe? Where are they at? What is this room? Where are we? Who is this? This is a loft.

Ronnie (20:43)

Well, I'm just. I just, you know, like, what do you want? Like, well, you want to stay home. You want me to be a prisoner. You're such a idiot. When he. I'm not some crazy alcoholic. I was like, why did you just say that to Maddie? And then second of all, when he's like, you want me to be a prisoner? Like, are you just trying to get broken up with right now?

Ben (21:02)

Okay, how about this? I'll just not have a birthday. I'll just not have been born 30 years ago. And then we can just work the whole time. I can go to work instead. Okay? Like, I won't have to drop a drink. Like, I'll just, like, I'll just have the best birthday doing nothing and being at work and just, like, not. She's like, joe, I'm not telling you to skip your birthday, okay? Yeah, no, cuz, like, all these people are coming in town, so I'll just be at work. You can just go to my birthday party and be like, here's the day that Joe didn't turn 30. Why don't you do that?

Ronnie (21:27)

Yeah, yeah, maybe I'll, like, own a bar by, like, next week. Because this will fix everything. Okay, you're being dramatic. And the victim, okay, he's like, I'm being dramatic, Me? I'm being. You just put on a cape and a mask. Oh, really? And he just knocked over a chandelier. What are you doing, Joe? Stop being so dramatic.

Ben (21:43)

Oh, how is the cape even cream colored? It doesn't match, Joe.

Ronnie (21:48)

Technically, it's beige. Well, even worse. Even worse. Okay, Joe, no one is thinking about that. You're saying that you're working on your birthday like your reality is not reality. Which is funny because he does say, fine, I'll take my birthday off and I'll go to work. Like, you don't take your birth. The birthday is not a job that you take off. I like that. The party is the thing that he takes off and the work is the thing he goes to. No, you take off work to do your birthday, Joe. Oh, she's like, no, you need to

Ben (22:19)

take your reality and then you need to, like, throw it away, Joe. Like, for example, I'm gonna pick up this, like, stupid little nothing off your desk and throw it off the loft. That's what you need to do to just throw it away. He's like, wait, I needed that.

Ronnie (22:32)

That was my favorite. She takes some little thing. It's like a pencil sharpener. Like a little pencil sharpener. She, like, throws it off. Or an eraser. I needed that.

Ben (22:42)

I mean, it's not real life, Joe. You're having like a midlife crisis, Joe. Like, chill, Joe. Like, come on, man. He's like, I'm turning 30 in four days. Like, that's not a. It's not a midlife crisis. It's like, I'm a turning 30 crisis. It's like, oh, my God. Your dream is this close, Joe. You need to prove yourself. I'm like, I don't know if you even have the capacity to be able to reel it in, Joe.

Ronnie (23:03)

I clearly do have that. Or I did have that before you threw my reel downstairs. I just think that, like, right now, my life, I'm just like, oh, you clearly do. Really? I don't think there's been a weekend where you haven't gone out and you want to move in with me and marry me and do all those things. And, like, I don't really know if I don't really want a boyfriend who's like, going out and getting drunk all the time. But it's like, crazy to me that you're, like, attacking me on my birthday week when I'm supposed to be, like, celebrating. Well, can I tell you, it's my birthday week, too.

Ben (23:32)

Oh, that's next week. No, I'm like, four days after you, Joe. It's in the same week. And you just. He just blinks and you watch him try to figure this out.

Ronnie (23:40)

It's like, yeah, well, argue with somehow. No, it's the same seven day span, Joe. But like, when does your week start? No, it's the same week, Joe. What are you trying. You can't use the birthday excuse. It's my birthday too, Joe.

Ben (23:55)

Okay, then fine, fine, it's my birthday month, but it's my birthday month too. Wait a minute.

Ronnie (24:00)

That's even more well defined.

Ben (24:03)

So like, she's like, joe, you know what? Like, I'm trying to hold you accountable because I love you, Joe. He's like, yeah, but like, okay, fine, Like, I cope with my, like, stress and anxiety by, like, drinking too much. Like, okay, I acknowledge it, but like, when I'm home with you, I don't crave alcohol, but I picked a career path where I've just got to be, you know, around alcohol, you know, and then people are like, joe, that's like the most confident guy in the world. I don't know what he's saying, but, like, he's really confident. And, like, it scares the shit out of me that I can't do without alcohol. So, like, why are you trying to suggest that I'm an alcoholic?

Ronnie (24:37)

Yeah, it's really hard to feel like I'm at my best socially without alcohol. And I just think it's like, because been like that since college, like, it hasn't pissed anyone off until now, and now it's pissing off the person I love the most. Look, I'm somebody that can help you maybe set boundaries or someone that you can talk to. Notice I'm saying boundaries all the time. Ever since Leva said I was really good with boundaries. Boundaries, Joe. Yeah, well, I need your support. And sometimes, like, yelling at me is just, like, going to make me feel even more defeated. So I would love for you to be, like, sweet to me this week and, like, not throw, like, really important erasers over the side of the balcony. Like, I'm actually, like. I don't know, like, I'm having, like, really anxiety because, like, I actually need to do a shit ton of things by the end of the day for, like, my event. Like, I've got to like, erase a whole bunch of pencil things and like, my. My eraser is missing now. Like, what am I supposed to do?

Ben (25:24)

She's like, okay, Joe, how can I help you? Well, you can help by giving me a 20 second hug. Cause a 20 second hug decreases stress by. No, it decreases anxiety by 20%.

Ronnie (25:35)

God, Joe, it's being by the waterfront reduces stress. Hugs are for anxiety. Waterfront is for stress. Did you learn nothing, Joe?

Ben (25:44)

So she agrees she's gonna help him and they're gonna get along now. Okay, so now on the screen, seven hours left of Joe Bradley's 20s, and Justin and TJ are walking and talking about New York and how fun it was. And I was. Time for a day Shaft at Rapop.

Ronnie (26:01)

Yes. So Michael's goes up to a table of ladies, like, are we interested in getting a bottle with us tonight? Oh, my God. Sorry. I'm like, living in, like, nightlife. It's like, not even night time. I'm like, so sorry. Oh, my God, am I getting banned from another platform?

Ben (26:19)

And it's. I think it's like that same table of older ladies. They just keep coming back. I can't wait. You guys got to sparklers again. Give us some sparkler. We love that. It was so funny. We thought there was a fire at first. You ever tried to blow one of those out? We actually hit the season in the eye with one of those things. That's why she's not here today.

Ronnie (26:39)

Hey, can you get one? We'll ask one of a picture of those cocktails. What was that cocktail that Lady Bird Johnson used to always love one of those. One of those, you know. You know.

Ben (26:50)

Okay, let's. I mean, it's like, oh, my God, we have to cl. We have to, like, clean and clog off, and then we're gonna go to Joe's em. Party, everybody.

Ronnie (27:00)

And Bella's like, it's not a phase. Yeah, it's not a phase, mama. I mean, they're being, like, funny about, like, emo. So GJ's like, is Jordan gonna come tonight? And Justin's like, I don't care. Like, if she does, she does. Cuz guess what? I'm already emo. You know what? I'm actually really disappointed that I'm back in the friend zone with Mia. It would have been nice to see where things could have panned out. But you know what? Before the peanut gallery got its nasty, nasty little hands over it, they ruined it all. Cough, cough, Lake.

Ben (27:34)

Okay, you took five minutes to find another girl who's on tv. I mean, we see what you're doing. Justin. You're very transparent. He's like, well, I couldn't go with that lead of a TV show. So, you know, I went out on the Strip on King street and I found another lead of a TV show to be with within five minutes. So Lake is like, I'm so excited for tonight, right, though. Like, oh, my God. But, like, 30. Like, he's 30. 30's not even old. And, like's like, yeah, 30s are, like, sexy.

Ronnie (28:05)

And then we see TJ. He's like, I mean, obviously, 30 is sexy, and 34 is even sexier. And he, like, tries to wink at the camera. He's like. And they're like, you can't wink. He's like, no, I. I can. I can. No, I. I can't wink. I like, tj, you're just scrunching up your entire face right now.

Ben (28:25)

So the girls are like, oh, my God, he's bringing a date. And, like, you're gonna be my day girls. It's gonna be so fun. And Lick actually has a girl coming. She's dating a girl. And TJ's like, yeah, I feel like that's very emo of you. And Emmy goes, yeah, it's not a phase, Mom.

Ronnie (28:40)

Let's keep doing the lake. Lake goes, yeah, it was never a phase. Fish tacos for life. And Emmy goes, mahi. Like, not literal fish tacos for life. Emmy. It's a girl. Girl. Fish. I just. Like, I'm not following. I'm sorry. So do you not want the fish tacos what are you gonna have for lunch? It's a metaphor. Emmy is blissfully oblivious to anything.

Ben (29:11)

Yeah. She's like, what kind of fish?

Ronnie (29:12)

She just really cannot. She's not. She's just not. Can't track these progressive things.

Ben (29:17)

Yeah.

Ronnie (29:18)

Geez.

Ben (29:19)

So now we go to Brad's place, and Julie calls him, and she's like, I'm fuming right now. I just left from getting my hair done. And they were like, hey, I just want to let you know, like, I've been hearing crazy things about Bradley. And I was like, okay. So apparently Emmy goes to the hair salon and is telling everybody that Bradley was stalking her outside of her hotel room in New York, drunk, banging on her hotel room door while she was naked in the bathroom and terrified. And so what the fuck, Brad, you were not. Brad, you didn't even drink, and you were not banging on her door, and you were not a threat. And he's like, yeah, that didn't happen. So she's like, someone needs to fucking talk to her. Okay? And if your friends can't do it, I'm gonna do it. And he's like. He gets really upset, and he's like, what the fuck? Oh, my God. Like, she's fine. And then she goes home and probably talks to Will or her mom, and they destroy whatever piece we've come up with. And then she comes back with a totally different attitude.

Ronnie (30:17)

Yeah. Also, like, I think we need TJ to step in as well, because wasn't Brad with TJ when they came up out of the elevator and they heard Emmy? Isn't that, like, part of the story here? Like, yeah, I think we need TJ to be like, emmy, I was with Brad. None of this happened that you're saying. And you are. You're being really, really harmful right now. With what? What? You're what?

Ben (30:40)

Well, so was Julia, right? Because Julia says Julia's talking. Like, she was there, too. So.

Ronnie (30:46)

Yeah, that's what we thought.

Ben (30:49)

Since this whole thing has been distilled down to Brad and Emmy, you know, stuff. It's just so gross, Emmy. It's like, God, Emmy. Just when you think Emmy can't be more disgusting. Like, just.

Ronnie (31:02)

Yeah, can we just.

Ben (31:03)

Mid fire, mid season, fire Emmy? Like, get rid of her. What the hell? She's horrible. So Emmy. Then we cut to Emmy, and Emmy's like, I mean, why am I so dramatic? Because no one is listening to me, and I, like, have to scream from the mountaintops because no one will listen. Like, nobody believes me. Like, no matter how I put it so, like, I'm so, like, I start losing my mind, and that's what's going on. Like, I'm alone. I'm made to be crazy, and, like, no one's ever gonna believe me. And, like, I'm back to my, like, child again, like, raging ADD and it's just like, pointing the finger at Emmy, point the finger at the enemy. Because, like, the person who's hyperactive is, like, the easiest one to blame. Oh, okay, so now you're going to start using ADD as you're a victim and people are just doing this because you're like, the poor ADD kid. No, Emmy, this is, like, typical, typical victim cloaking, and ain't nobody going to fall for it, ma'.

Ronnie (31:52)

Am.

Ben (31:52)

This is crazy.

Ronnie (31:54)

Yeah, I think the one that's easiest to blame is the one who's going around saying he was making me feel unsafe and was stalking me at my door while I was naked. And fabricating lies is probably the easiest one to blame. And that happens to be you as well. So. Yeah, Julia is, like, really mad. Brad's upset. Brad actually is, like, stepping away from the. From production because, like, and I can only imagine how frustrating it is and disappointing and, like, it's scary. It's scary to be. Have someone who's now going around town saying this stuff and painting you a certain way as he's trying to, like, launch his business and painting him as, like, scary black man. And. And that's what Emmy is doing. And it's really up. It's like, it's. It's like. And it keeps on happening. It keeps on going after they've had multiple conversations. And it's just sad. I just feel like the fact that Emmy can't hear this or understand it is just so terrible. For some reason, I have this idea that younger people are more open to understanding these concepts that then older people. Older people sort of get, like, locked in their ways and they're thinking and they just sort of. They get. They become brittle and. And just. You can't get through to older people. But I always feel like if you're someone who's younger is, like, around more thoughts and things, and I don't know, like, there's more of a discussion about different perspectives and world experiences. And so I just have this expectation that she. She would be able to understand this. And the fact that she doesn't is just so deeply disappointing. As someone who formerly really enjoyed Emmy on the show, I just think it's just, like, real crap. It's just shitty, shitty Shitty, shitty ignorance

Ben (33:31)

comes in every age. So now it's two hours left of Joe Bradley's twenties, everybody. So Maddie picks up. Michael is like, oh, my God. He's like, you look hot. Like, let's go. Like, get me out of here. So, like, you got balloons. Like, they're safe this time. It's like, oh, my God. They are weighted this time. And we see the clip of the balloons flying away when she freaked out last time, and those were weighted as well. So I think that these just are more properly weighted.

Ronnie (34:00)

I don't know.

Ben (34:00)

Probably have a barbell on the bottom.

Ronnie (34:03)

Last time they were weighted with Joe's. With Joe's. Joe's skill set, which was not much. And so they flew off into the sky. Joe, the balloons. Oh, my God, the blues flew away, which is a great moment. So Maddie's asking how she's doing, and she's like, I have been the best. I've been living the best life this weekend. So, like, okay, when I was. Like, when I was ill, I had to cancel the show. And like, my manager came to me and said, they want to give you an opportunity to make it up in Punta Cana. And they're like, oh, my God, Punta Cana. By the way, did we ever find out what Maddie was ill with? Did that was ever a storyline or we just know that she was in the hospital and we don't know what it was, right?

Ben (34:42)

Yeah, I don't think we know what it was. So she's like, I've played everywhere in the nation, but, like, my dream is to play out of the country. And I like that. I like that it's so nonspecific. I believe that's how your dreams should be. Just very non specific. Like, I don't want to play in Paris. Like, just stay out of the country. Like, you can go to Mexico, do it there in a weekend. Boom. A goal accomplished. Something off the vision board.

Ronnie (35:08)

Like James Kennedy when he pressed play in a club in Mexico, and he's like, oh, I just played Tulum. You're like, you pressed. You. You. You do not have a DJ set in Tulum. You press play on a CD player.

Ben (35:20)

Yeah, exactly. So Michael's is like, oh, my God. That's literally my homeland. Like, I've been there since I was 7. 7 years old, and I haven't been there since I was seven. And so that's where his parents are from. His dad is half Puerto Rican and Dominican and his mom is fully Dominican. So he talks about going there as a little kid. And he knows everything about going to help her figure out where to go and plan the trip and all that stuff. So then she asked about New York and he's like, oh my God, you named the bar. We were there. Like, I, I fucked somebody named Men's warehouse, who's amazing. And then we went to another gay bar and tj, like, I made out with like five people. But then we got in the taxi and then I made out with TJ and she's like, so you got to make out with like half the city and TJ got to make out with, with you? Yeah, he's like 34.

Ronnie (36:13)

So I just wanted to see what it'd be like. I sort of have a king for old men. So she's like, I am dead. Here comes one right now.

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Ben (38:53)

So everybody's coming in their emo outfits and talking about, like, how crazy they were back then. And Julia tells Justin, yeah, you look more emo, like, on a normal day than you do right now. Which is kind of true. So he. It's his turn to say, it's not a phase, mom. So then Mia comes, and she's wearing, like, a wig. Like, a pink wig and stuff. And they're like, whoa. He says, you look like a weird anime hot chick with big boobs. It's like, yeah, okay. So they. They're all. All talking about their emo phases and stuff.

Ronnie (39:27)

Yeah, we see pictures of a lot of them from, like, when they were in high school, you know, listening to this music in 2005 or 6 or something. And Mia's. Mia's like, I didn't really have an emo phase. Like, maybe I listened to Paramore like, once or twice, but, like, that's it. She's like, I was a jock. And then Brad comes out in, like, a wig, which doesn't make any sense, but it's like, okay, go with it.

Ben (39:47)

Yeah, it comes out in kind of like a Mary Lou Retton wig, which is.

Ronnie (39:51)

Yeah, it was so weird.

Ben (39:52)

So TJ is asking me, so, are the girls gonna be nice to you tonight? She's like, I don't even know what I did to those girls. And Molly's like, yeah, like, it's a rude ass. And then we see a flashback of, like, being like, um, what I value in friendships and what I value in people are not characteristics that you guys have exhibited.

Ronnie (40:13)

Somali says, the only reason Lake doesn't like me is. It's very clear. It's because Emmy doesn't like me, mind you. Emmy also has no reason to hate me either. They should just go form a club. I hate Molly for no reason club. Just to hate Molly. Put it on a T shirt or a mug, and then actually, you can have, like, a party, and I could actually plan it. Like, I actually would, like, not mind planning an I hate Molly party. I mean, a check is a check. Am I right?

Ben (40:35)

Yeah, But Molly, also, you told that girl to go date. You told me to go date Justin, and then now you're acting like, oh, my God, I can't believe she dated Justin. So whatever. So Brad's like, okay, I cosign. Oh, they're saying she needs to stern talking to. And Brad's like, I cosign. So now Julia comes in, and she looks gorgeous. She's wearing this, like, oh, my God, yes. Collar thing. And Mia's like, oh, my God, you look so sexy. And TJ goes, yeah, it's like all the girls that dress really hot for Halloween, but then you come and dress like a blueberry.

Ronnie (41:11)

And so, yeah, Mia's like, that's not fair. Like, I didn't know it was sexy goth. I thought it was funny goth. So Mia's like, I'm gonna go pull Grace Lily and be like, I'm going home. I didn't know the dress code. He didn't tell me. So now it's one hour left of Joe Bradley's 20s, and now we're with Joe at this. At this place. It's called the Music Farm. And Joe is with, actually, his brother, his hot brother. And Joe's like, hey, so, like, this is a Music Farm, and, like, that's Republic. Look, like, Republic's there, and Music Farm is there. And I come out of, like, the back alley of Republic there. The Music Farm is, like, there. Like, have you ever seen, like, two buildings so close to before? Like, there's, like, a building there and a building there. It's, like, crazy, right? God, the twenties are crazy. I'm gonna miss them.

Ben (41:52)

His brother looks just like him and talks just like him, too. He's like, yeah, like, this is really cool. Look, I'm putting on makeup on, like, a girl. This is crazy, bro. He's like, yeah, my brother's got, like, a great corporate job. He's intelligent and successful. He's crushing with work and, like. Like, I just want to be him, you know? Like, makes me feel like a piece of his brother's. Like, you're not a piece of. Like, you could do this too. You're doing so good. Joe, you're doing great. I wouldn't put on the eyeliner for anyone else. Joe.

Ronnie (42:20)

Joe's putting on his brother's eyeliner, which I would not trust Joe to do this. And his brother's like, you sure you're doing it right? Should we do a YouTube video? It's like, no, don't worry about it. It's not like. Not rocket science. Like, I know how to do it. Okay, Yeah,

Ben (42:35)

I said we should have watched a YouTube video.

Ronnie (42:37)

Joe, why is your brother in an eye patch? So Joe's like, yeah, my brother's inspiring, but he's also like. Makes me feel like a piece of, like, in a good way, though. Like a good piece of. Like, a really, like, well formed piece of. Like, he makes me feel like, damn, like, I could do this. Like, what's my excuse, you know? Yeah, okay, cool. Well, you look good. You look great. Michael's like, all right, great. Here's to being 30. All right, thanks.

Ben (43:00)

Yes. They're talking about their love life, and Michael doesn't have a girl. And Joe's like, I can't believe that we live in a world where, like, I have a girlfriend.

Ronnie (43:08)

Before you go, that's crazy.

Ben (43:10)

It's like, yeah, if only girlfriends were jobs, right, Joe?

Ronnie (43:12)

Like, careers.

Ben (43:13)

It's like, damn.

Ronnie (43:14)

Ow. Okay, wow.

Ben (43:16)

So he's saying Maddie's it for him, and he's gonna propose to her sooner than you think, and it's probably going to be next year. And he's like, yeah, fighting with Maddie's been a wake up call. You know, like, wake up calls go off and then you turn off the alarm, take a shot, and go back to bed for a while. So it's time to make some changes. You know, maybe vodka instead of tequila, something like that. But one thing is for sure, I want to marry Maddie with,

Ronnie (43:42)

you know, my biggest dream besides, like, marrying Maddie is. And having kids. Beyond that, my biggest dream is like, I want our sons to be best friends. He's like, well, you know, we don't have any sons yet, right? Just saying no. It's like, yeah, well, we'll see if I can. If I can catch up to you and Maddie. I'm scared that you're going to be, like, popping out a baby in two years. Also, again, neither of us have children, so. And they're not guaranteed to be sons. Just want to put that out there to the world. Dream there.

Ben (44:10)

So on the screen, we see RIP Joe Bradley's twenties, and everyone's on their emo Lux. And so A lot of people start coming, and they're back in the backstage area right now, and he's like, oh, my God, the dream come true. That's amazing. Like, the definition of punk rock is not giving a fuck what people think, like, serious guys. Even though I do care what people think, especially lover.

Ronnie (44:32)

Yeah. So, yeah, he's, like, really, really excited to have love out here. So we see a flashback, and he's like, hey, love, it's my birthday weekend, so I don't know if you can get, like, a babysitter or like, maybe you can hire someone or maybe, like, can your baby, like, put on a wig? Can your baby. Can your baby put on, like, eyeliner?

Ben (44:50)

I don't know.

Ronnie (44:51)

Like, I just want, like, you and Lamar to, like, come see, like, my show. And, like, I don't.

Ben (44:54)

I'm coming, Joe. Okay. Like, I'm coming.

Ronnie (44:56)

Thing.

Ben (44:57)

What? What do you want?

Ronnie (44:58)

Yeah.

Ben (44:59)

She's like, just be quiet. Enough. He's like, oh, okay, great. So he says, if this is a bust, he's like, I don't think level will ever take me seriously after this, Joe. There's so many people here. So Levin and Jordan arrive. Not Lamar. Lamar's like, no, still no. Like, still no. Not doing that.

Ronnie (45:18)

Yeah, Jordan. Jordan has a lot to say this episode. Like, as usual.

Ben (45:24)

Yeah. Here comes Jordan with her rouge. Today she's wearing emo rouge. So love is like, I'm happy to see Joe, like, taking a risk on himself, but, like, I mean, I'm proud of him in that sense. I just think if you're gonna make all that effort, like, just do it at Republic. Like, he just essentially filled a competitor's space. Like, it just circulates back to not thinking through and not communicating. And that's very on brand for. Oh, Leva off. Give me a break. Republic is the size of his shoe closet. First of all, this is, like, a venue that's holding 400 people for, like, dancing in a mosh pit in a concert. And second of all, who wants to have their party at work? And third of all, you've called this guy a loser all year. Why is he supposed to bring you work on his birthday? Love is a mess.

Ronnie (46:09)

Yeah. I do think that, like, the main. The strongest point is, like, this is a concert. Your Republic is not set up for that. But I do think, like, there is a. There is a point to be made about, like, yeah, put this energy into your job too. I know you're trying to prove that you can do it, but you can also do it at Your job, I

Ben (46:30)

would agree for sure.

Ronnie (46:32)

So Mia is like, like, okay, cool. This is fun. And they're all just, like, laughing and everything. And Maddie's like, besides my look, I think Mia killed it. She looks so emo. But unlike Emmy, who's giving like, Britney Spears, hit me, baby one more time. And we see that Emmy did dress like Britney Spears. Emmy is. She's just completely disconnected from any sort of reality, even costume reality. She just can't do it. I mean, also, like, we. I feel like we haven't even really dug in on her crazy interview look where she's wearing this, like, white, lacy figure skating look. I mean, she just looks. She's just absolutely bonkers this season. She's totally deranged.

Ben (47:10)

Yeah, she really is. So Julia's pissed. She's like, oh, my God, I'm gonna cry. I'm so angry. And he's like, yeah, I mean, she's mad. Personally, I'm exhausted, you know? And so everybody just arrives and says hi to each other. And we meet Lake's girlfriend or her date, at least. And she's really cute. And she's like, I'm the queen of situationships. Like, something's always happening. Boy, girl, other. Like, Nessa is so pretty. I saw around Republic, and, like, I get that tingly feeling.

Ronnie (47:45)

And, you know, like, wow. Like, oh, my God, her girl's hot. And Marcos is like, yeah, they look like cousins. DJ goes, yeah, they look related. I just said that. Tj, God, I'm not into it. And he's low key.

Ben (47:58)

I'm not even gonna cap. Like, we look alike. Maybe I just love myself.

Ronnie (48:04)

So then Joe's like, hey, everyone, welcome to emo night. It's Joe's birthday.

Ben (48:09)

Whoa.

Ronnie (48:11)

Okay. Hey, everyone. So. Oh, man, I feel like I'm on top of the world right now. Like, all my anxiety, all the doubts out the window. Like, this genre of music heals my soul. Like, this is exactly how I was hoping tonight would go.

Ben (48:25)

Joe, your outfit doesn't match. God damn it, Maddie. Sorry.

Ronnie (48:28)

I love you. I love you too.

Ben (48:30)

So Oisin comes. He's like, ah, hello there. It's me, O Sheen. No one's butt is safe, so O' Sheen is there. And TJ's like, oh, my God, it's the milkman. We're gonna have a mess.

Ronnie (48:43)

Whenever Oshin's in town, there's gonna be a mess. And we see last year, like, that fight that I totally forgot about between Maddie and Grace Lilly. That's the. The prom party that they held where they're like,

Ben (48:57)

He don't even like you. He likes me. What do you think about that? You don't get no milk from no milk man. So you don't even like you. He only likes me, right?

Ronnie (49:08)

So Sheena's like, hello there. Are you guys friends? Are you girlfriend or what? What's happening? And Janessa is like, ask Lake. She's like, I like her. It's like, oh, but I thought we had something. Lake and TJ's like, the second worst secret kept secret after Joe and Luan is O Sheen and Lake, like, I don't think any of us care if Lake has sex with O Sheen. You care about that.

Ben (49:28)

They, after prom night last year, ooze and ooh. Yeah. But Oisin's like, he's too old and gross for Little Lake. She 20, 21 last year. Leave her alone. Oisin.

Ronnie (49:42)

He's looking pretty grody these days too.

Ben (49:47)

So she laughs about it. She's like, I'm not even gonna talk about it. That's all I have to say. So he's like, let's do a shot there, baby. Come on, do it for me, baby. And TJ's like, oh, my God, is he trying to have a threesome?

Ronnie (50:01)

It's like, wild. So Joe's like, yeah. Like, huh? The three day love story was like, lake and o'. Sheen. Oh. And Lake is like, oh, my God. Like, I can't even talk about it.

Ben (50:12)

Oh.

Ronnie (50:13)

That's all I have to say. So then Sally shows up. She's like, yeah. Any boys around this emo night?

Ben (50:24)

It's not just her, it's also Charlie. And Charlie is there with Justin. Yikes. And she's like, oh, my God, I'm glad to be here. Like, do I look like I normally go to an emo night?

Ronnie (50:39)

He's like, wait, are you saying you just came for me? She goes, yeah. Really? Yeah. Wow. And he tells us, the Jordan situation. It's just been. It's been nothing short of abysmal. And at this point, me and Mia are just friends, so the boy's a free agent now. And I really like Charlie, and she's on a TV show, so why not? Let's go for it.

Ben (50:59)

Yeah. So they have, like, small talk. Like, it's so refreshing to be around you. Oh, my God, you too. She goes, yeah, I've known you for two days. He goes, yeah, crazy. And he said they found love in a hopeless place. Instagram, dms. And they grabbed drinks over the weekend and they had a Pretty fucking amazing date. You know, I lied to her a lot about locking myself out of my apartment. So we had a cheeky little sleepover, and, God, that's it. We've been with each other ever since.

Ronnie (51:25)

Great. Built on a lie. So Justin is like, by the way, I'm getting, like, the love bomber accusations. She goes, yes, yes, yes. Totally.

Ben (51:34)

Yeah.

Ronnie (51:34)

Yeah. It's so funny because I'm being accused of being a love bomber to Craig, so I totally get you.

Ben (51:40)

Yeah, exactly.

Ronnie (51:43)

Joe's happy because there's a mosh pit that's happening. He's like, this is what I've always wanted, a mosh pit at my birthday. Dare to dream, Joe. Dare to dream. And Vanessa and Lake are just sort of talking about Mia, and Janessa is like, tell me what's going on. And Link's like, yeah, well, Mia was just like. She's just like a. I'm sick of Mia. And then like, Sally's like, hi, Mia, Yoo. What's going on? Are you okay? And Mia's like, no, I'm sick of these. These girls over here.

Ben (52:11)

Yeah. And Lake is like, blatantly talking about her, you know, like, where you could see it. She's like, yeah, that one over there. That one, she's just a bitch.

Ronnie (52:20)

I hate her.

Ben (52:21)

Mia's like, oh, my God, what is going on with these women? It's like, fucking insane. Like, I'm. I'm taking off my hat. Like, it's too damn hot. I can't even deal with this. I mean, like, I. I can't have this energy. Like, I can't have, like, this little girl being mad at me, making snotty faces at me. Like, what the hell? So she goes up and she's like, can. Can I pull you outside? And like, it's like, me, but it's Joe's birthday. Like, I don't want to go out there. Like, I just really want to get drunk. Enough fun with friends, though. So, like, I don't want to leave. It's like, come on, it. It'll be 10 minutes. She goes, no, yeah, no, I would

Ronnie (52:53)

rather not, because, well, I would rather not have gotten yelled at. At you by on Friday. But it happened anyway, didn't it? So she's like. She has nothing to say to me unless her little minions are around where she can be like, yeah, I said it. I did a good job. I did a good job. Yelling at me. I did nine minions. So like, I said, guys, I'm not gonna do this right now, okay? She's trying to have a conversation with me. And like, I don't want to have a conversation right now. Like, I don't want to have a conversation right? It's Joe's birthday and we were having a very intimate, quiet birthday party for him. And I don't want to ruin the vibe.

Ben (53:26)

So Mia walks away, but then late keeps going on to everybody else, like, whatever. Like, I don't want to talk to that bitch. I don't want to talk to her, okay? Now I'm going to get pissed, okay? Because her fucking ugly ass could never be me. And that's the whole thing. Well, she's not ugly, but Mia's kid. Mia's getting pissed and like, it's like, stop pointing at me because I'm not pointing at you.

Ronnie (53:48)

You keep pointing at me. Stop pointing at me. At which point now Lake is getting up in Mia's face, sort of pointing at Mia. She goes, you want to talk about me? Don't put your hand in my face. Just don't touch me. Don't touch me. Because there's like a moment where there's like a hand on a hand, like pushing the hand away. You're pointing, you're pointing. The hands touch. And then it's like, oh my God. Oh, my God. Touching.

Ben (54:10)

Yeah. So Mia's like, I don't know, like who she's friends with or who she hangs out with or where she's from or like why she can stick her hand in people's face. But I'm from Belize and I went to school with barbed wire, okay? I will not be disrespected.

Ronnie (54:26)

And leg is like Mia that she's eye catching. She is. But she's also like a sociopath. It's kind of like Jennifer's body. You've seen that movie where Megan Fox is beautiful, but she's like a crazy psycho. I'm going to give the point to Mia. I think I'm from Belize and went to school with barbed wire is stronger than. You're like Jennifer's body with Megan Fox. I'm gonna. Mia wins this round, but also Mia's.

Ben (54:51)

I mean, Mia's gotta be like, why do I have to fight with the 20 year old?

Ronnie (54:56)

Like, what is this show?

Ben (54:57)

Come. Why are you making me do this show? You know, like, why? Because you're never gonna win. Because even if you go get into a smackdown with a, with a 22 year old, you, you're still fighting with a kid, you know?

Ronnie (55:10)

Yeah, because like, it's not that deep to me. Like, I made out with Justin. Like, we're not even friends, so, like, I really don't care. And you're making it this whole big production and it's not that, like. And now we have to have this feud. Can we just, like, squash this and be like, I don't. It's like, it's not that big of a deal, but. But you know, Lake is young. She's 22, and she is doing the 22 year old thing. Like, oh, my God. Like, why would you do that? Like, okay, like, I love Lake, but she really is showing her age right now.

Ben (55:38)

Yeah, I think me and just needs to back off this one and not get into, like, smacking fights with this girl. That's weird. It's like fighting with a baby. I got in a fight with my niece when she was a baby. She was, like, sitting in the back seat and she took something from me and I took it back and she cried and I was like, whatever. And then we started, like, fighting, and my sister was like, you're fighting with a two year old. I was like, but she started it and she's like, ronnie, you're fighting with a two year old. Like, at some point, you just have to be the one to walk away. Not that I did. I mean, I got that candy back.

Ronnie (56:07)

Good.

Ben (56:08)

But still. That's right. So now Julia pulls.

Ronnie (56:11)

Time for Julia.

Ben (56:12)

Yeah. Julia pulls Emmy for a talk. And Emmy's like, oh, my God. You want to have a talk with me? Okay, yeah, sure. Like, oh, my God. Okay. Why are you walking so bad? Okay, you're walking really fast. Okay, hold on a second. Okay, okay, okay, I'm with you. Now.

Ronnie (56:25)

I've known Julia for years. I influenced her to move here, and I encouraged her to date Brad. So I'm hoping Julia is an olive branch to help me mend my relationship with Brad. And I'm like, oh, finally someone wants to talk. So Julia's like, okay. So over this last week. Yeah, okay, just calm down. I've heard that you were leading some sort of defaming of Bradley's name. Oh, what do you mean, defaming of Bradley's name? I've heard that you're saying that he was drunkenly banging on your door in New York City and that you were naked and afraid in your bathroom, that he was making you feel unsafe. You said he brought a chainsaw in and that you. He brought in 12 other people and that he aimed a gun at your face and that he was stalking you and that he's scary. And he said something about Clarice and eating fava beans. He wants to actually eat humans. Like, does any of that sound familiar?

Ben (57:18)

I mean, I never said he was banging on my door, so. So I swear to God, never said that. I mean, you know, chainsaw stock, all that stuff. Yeah. But, like, in that moment, like, the only thing I thought was, like, oh, my God, Brad is stuck in my hotel room. Like, that's it. That's what. That was what I was thinking at the time.

Ronnie (57:34)

So she's like, emmy, we heard you screaming 12 doors down.

Ben (57:38)

I wasn't screaming. I wasn't screaming. I wasn't even screaming, though. So.

Ronnie (57:43)

You know what? You've gotten away with this for way too long. The words that you were using to describe Bradley are so, I'm not doing this.

Ben (57:49)

I'm not doing this. I'm not doing this.

Ronnie (57:51)

But you are. You are. You owe me a conversation. Okay. And Emmy, like, tries to go around the corner, and. And Emmy's like, I'm not doing this as a woman. It's like, no. Okay, then, like, let's have a conversation around the other side of the corner. We're going back to the other side of the corner. Okay. Okay. We're gonna have a talk. And Emmy, of all people, is like. Like, calm down, Jules. Emmy's gonna tell someone to calm down.

Ben (58:09)

You're the one hyperventilating and running away. And she's like, listen, what did he do to make you self to make you feel unsafe? Tell me. She's like, julia, I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm a woman. So first of all. So, like, he stalked my hotel room.

Ronnie (58:26)

She's like, he did not stalk you.

Ben (58:28)

Yeah.

Ronnie (58:28)

Yeah.

Ben (58:29)

Well, what I knew in the moment was that's what he done. So that's, like, what I had with, like, the information I was given, which is like, he was telling me so

Ronnie (58:36)

I was going to Molly's room to apologize.

Ben (58:38)

Well, I didn't know that. I don't know that. I don't know that. Like, how do I know that? I don't know that.

Ronnie (58:42)

We told you a million times. So why the are you not listening? Why'd you use those words to describe it again?

Ben (58:48)

Like, I didn't ever talk about it, Julia. Like, what are you talking about? Like, I'm being, like, so. Like, I'm a woman. Like, I'm a woman. What are you talking about? Like, I'm so confused. I don't even know where she's getting this. Like, what's your point? Like, are you trying to make me look crazy? Crazy? Like, is that what you're trying to do to make me look crazy? And the producer says, well, do you have any idea why? Like, why do you think she's lying? Do you think someone else lied? And she goes, oh, my God, like, well, then, okay, well, like, who have I even talked to? And then we see flashbacks of Emmy talking to literally everybody in town. She's like, the postman comes by. She's like, oh, my God. I was stalked and harassed and terrified naked in the shower. And, like, this guy was, like, trying to murder me. So his name is Brad. Okay? Body by Brad. Terrifying.

Ronnie (59:31)

I'm a 115 pound woman. Like, when a man threatens you, you are scared. By the way, the assumption is that you were threatened. There was no threat. There was nothing that was a threat. He said, you're dead to me, too. That's it. That was not a threat. He was echoing what the bitch said.

Ben (59:47)

Yes, the bitch and the dead to me. Like, you're threatening to murder me and you're calling me a.

Ronnie (59:53)

So then we see her talking to Lucia. So, like, flashback Lucia from season one. And she's like, brad, obviously, like, you were intoxicated and you were angry. And then you tried to scare me and be like, sleep with one eye open. And he made me feel, like, unsafe because, like, you intimidated me. You threatened me, you stalked me. And Lucia's like, what is. What is wrong with you, you crazy white woman?

Ben (60:13)

And then we just hear. Then we see her sitting with a yoga teacher. It's like, yeah, this guy was, like, stalking me. He was like, stalking me. And the yoga teacher's like, that's Lucia.

Ronnie (60:21)

That was Lucia.

Ben (60:22)

Oh, that was Lucia.

Ronnie (60:23)

Oh, my gosh.

Ben (60:24)

Recognize her?

Ronnie (60:26)

Yes. She's like, now all earth mother, but Lucia is the yoga teacher.

Ben (60:30)

Recognize her?

Ronnie (60:31)

That's. What is wrong with you?

Ben (60:33)

I thought it was so funny. We just heard yoga. And she's like, this is the Yama Stay portion or the namaste portion of this evening, ma'.

Ronnie (60:41)

Am. She's like, okay, now we're gonna do some downward dog. Oh, now you're calling me a dog? Fine. Fine.

Ben (60:47)

So I'm in my hotel room, I'm having a private conversation with my fiance and my mother, and he's eavesdropping in. It's like his feelings got hurt because I have to apologize. Like, what? What?

Ronnie (61:01)

You were screaming.

Ben (61:03)

I was not screaming. I'm screaming right now. That was screaming. This is not screaming.

Ronnie (61:08)

You got caught for what?

Ben (61:11)

For talking shit in the privacy of my own hotel room. Like, I'm not allowed to talk in the privacy of my hotel room.

Ronnie (61:17)

You were talking loud enough for us to hear you all the way in Charleston.

Ben (61:20)

It's how he made me feel. Like, okay, like, it's not. He's not unsafe man. He's not like a. He's not like a scary man. It's just in that moment, he made me feel that way. So.

Ronnie (61:30)

Okay, so why are you using those words?

Ben (61:32)

Well, because he called me a dumb.

Ronnie (61:34)

Like, he did not call you a dumb.

Ben (61:36)

Yeah, like I'm saying in the context of the sentences that he used, like, I, I, I, I, I, I, I. Julia, Julia. Like, don't you. Don't you. You know, like, that morning, like, with me and Will, Like, I don't. I don't even think, you know, like, how bad it was.

Ronnie (61:48)

You don't even know. She's like, I could sit here in tears, just like you are to say exactly how Brad was feeling this morning.

Ben (61:57)

Like. Like I didn't even work last week. Like, I couldn't even sleep or I couldn't even eat. I mean, I normally don't do either of those things anyway, but, like, I couldn't even. If I want to do.

Ronnie (62:06)

Just like, I couldn't even put together a really nice charcuterie platter last week. She's like, why? Because you knew you up?

Ben (62:13)

No. Like, no, Jules, because I'm like, I'm not allowed to feel the way he made me feel, Jules.

Ronnie (62:17)

And you're making him feel the way, like, just as you are.

Ben (62:20)

No, like, who gives a? His actions are the one. Like, is this. It's an action.

Ronnie (62:26)

Julia's like, me, I give a. I give a. And you will never understand because you are a white, privileged ass Julia.

Ben (62:35)

Like, what does that even. Like, what does it mean have to do with, like, the way that. What are you talking about?

Ronnie (62:40)

Because you don't understand.

Ben (62:41)

Don't even get any closer to me. Do not even get closer to me.

Ronnie (62:46)

I just want to let you know we're done. The tears. The I'm sorry don't mean a goddamn thing. And Julie just drops them?

Ben (62:54)

Yeah, she just completely drops the tears and the whole act just like, okay, whatever.

Ronnie (62:58)

Then she's. So you send your girlfriend to fight your battles. You do realize that that's what you did all of last season for Will, just so you know.

Ben (63:08)

Yeah. This is literally you fighting your boyfriend's battles because the whole battle was that Will was cheating on you.

Ronnie (63:15)

Yes. That was great. Julia was. What a great display of, like, solidarity with your boyfriend. I mean, she really. She really just spelled it all out for Emmy. And I love when she was. She also was, like, very reasonable, too. She's like, yeah. What you're saying right now, Emmy, how you feel, that's how Brad feels. Just sort of saying, like, you're okay to, like. Like, what you're feeling. I'm not saying that you're. It's invalid, but you have to consider what Brad is feeling. And the difference is that what you're saying about Brad could mess up everything in his life in a way that it won't mess up anything in your life. And I thought Julia was just great. It was actually. It was inspiring to me. You know, I think it's like Julie

Ben (63:57)

was like wallpaper when you're tripping and you don't know that you're tripping out. Like, you've just taken whatever, like, mushrooms or whatever, and you're like, oh, it's just wallpaper. And then, like, a long time goes by, and you're like, there's wallpaper. And then all of a sudden, the wallpaper starts moving, and you're like, oh, my God, that wallpaper is fascinating. Because Julia, this whole time, I'm like, julia, is Julie even. Take her pulse. Take her pulse. Is there anybody in there? And Julia came to life tonight. I was like, yes, Julia.

Ronnie (64:24)

She was great. I thought when you said, she's like wallpaper when you're tripping on pen, I thought you're gonna be like, you know when you fall over and you reach for something and you just try to. All you can get is the wallpaper, and you tear off a piece of it by accident. And you look it and at. He say, that was really pretty. I was like, where's Ronnie going with this?

Ben (64:40)

Tripping bowls. So, yeah, good for her. So she goes over to Brad, and she's like, yeah, she's crazy. She was saying, like, he was talking me. And I was like, no, he's not. And so he's like, yeah, I knew that wouldn't go anywhere, but, you know, at least you tried.

Ronnie (64:59)

Yeah. She's basically like, yeah, she just doesn't take accountability for anything. And he. She's like, no, you. You're saying he drunkenly banged on your door and you felt unsafe and he stalked you. Are you kidding me? Like, that didn't happen. He's like, yeah, she's a liar. But she's like, yeah, they both. Both have given up. And Brad feels great, though, because he's like, wow, I have a girlfriend who's gonna ride for me. And that's, like, really important. And so they hug, and that's a really nice moment. But meanwhile, Emmy is still spiraling. And so she gets Bella, and she's like, oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I need a cigarette. I need a cigarette right now.

Ben (65:30)

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Dumb. Like, have I not gone, like, through? And I'm like, I can't even have a minute to just enjoy just partying. I just, like, I can't. I go, what the. And Bella's like, okay, whoa, whoa. Calm down. And inside, they're watching and, like, what's up? And Brad's catching them up on what an idiot she is. So Bella's like, so did you take ownership for what you said and any of that? It's like, oh, my God, I couldn't even get there because, like, she's like. Like, she. I mean, I tried. Like, I would try. Like, I. Like, it would be nice if I could, like, express that, you know, like, if I wasn't being stalked and harassed. Like, you know, someone's threatening to murder me while I'm helpless and naked in the shower. Like, I'm a girl. I'm a woman.

Ronnie (66:12)

Emmy, who keeps. Keeps on. She keeps on saying that she tried to express things. You know, you had plenty of chances in the conversation. So Bella's like, okay, I'm telling you for the time being, drop it. No, I am not dropping this. I'm not dropping this. No, I am not dropping this. Would you drop this? No. Like, yeah, I would drop it. I would drop it. How many more times do you need people on TV to tell you what you're doing is a microaggression? Okay? It's kind of racist. You're on tv. Stop it.

Ben (66:46)

But, God, to take that and not only not take the advice of the people who are on the show, you go and you start telling the entire town worst stuff. Like, you start making up crazier, like, adding on to it. What the is wrong with this lady? She's just. She's crazy.

Ronnie (67:03)

She's, like, lost her marbles. She's like, I need to have a conversation with Brad. Blank, blank, period. Not Julia. Bradley Carter. Brad. Brad. Brad.

Ben (67:13)

You've made it so bad, no one owes you a conversation. You're lucky if you're not iced out of this entire season. So Julie is like, yeah, I'll never be put in Bradley shoes, and she'll never be put in Bradley's Shoes.

Ronnie (67:23)

Shoes.

Ben (67:24)

And Michaels is like, yeah, because you're black, duh. She goes, yeah. And that's that. So he's. He's. Michael says, like, yeah, Emmy's just trying to prove that Brad's wrong and she's right. It's not about her feeling unsafe. Like, she's gonna talk to anybody and then only tell her side of the story. Like, why is she still talking about it?

Ronnie (67:41)

Oh, my God. Yeah. So then they get like, emo ish, and they're like, let's get back to partying. And mad is like, this is for my boyfriend, Joe Bradley. I want to see you all rock out for him. And then she throws an eraser into the audience. He's like, but wait, I was about to.

Ben (67:58)

I needed that. I needed that. It's like, this is the best light of not only my life, but Joe's life too, probably. Like, this is epic. And like, I'm so proud of him after a hell of a week we just had. Like, he's so great. It's amazing. So everyone's like, oh, my God, this is a. This was great. And Joe thanks lever for coming. He's like, you made my entire birthday look. Thank you so much.

Ronnie (68:19)

Love is like, you know what? The room is full. The vibe is high. I'm wearing a stupid hat. I think Joe is smart to partner with somebody who was established the emo night guys. From my perspective, it looks like Joe, it's like a very successful event. And he's like, yeah, who's the boss? She's like, no, I'm happy for you. That's just all I want is for you to be happy. I just want you to be happy. She basically says, I've always seen Joe's Joey bottles, and it's always been floor and vip. I never know. Never knew about concert Joe. So if it's what makes you happy, do it.

Ben (68:48)

Yeah. So he's like, oh, my God. Like, I'm gonna do this forever. And so he goes and gives a birthday speech, and he's like, yo, I did. I pulled this off my twenties. All the haters. I can make money while crowd surfing. Look, I never have to grow up now. Are you proud of me, D?

Ronnie (69:09)

That was the end of a very emo episode.

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And that's it. All right, everybody, thanks so much for being here. We will talk to you next time. Bye.

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