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Sarah
Watch what happens. Who cares what happens when there's so much over little feature. Who cares what happens when there's so much that happens?
Amanda
Well, hello and welcome to Watch what Crappens. This is is part two of a two part recap. If you're like, hey, wait a minute, I didn't hear part one, guys. It's because we put out a lot of recaps. Go back and listen to part one. Okay, it's before this one. Bye. Enjoy the show.
Sarah
The workout is done. And so then they're all like an hour later they're all sitting there, you know, drenched, if you will. And Porsche is like, she's like, you know, I don't ever want to speak to you. But at the same time I think you're all doing, you're all doing good, you know, or you guys are good, you and you and Phaedra, because she's talking to Angela. And Angela's like, yeah, we have it all hashed out. We just realized we're both fan favorites and we should just be on the same side. So we're you know, we went and had Harold's together, and Angela said, you
Amanda
know, I'm the bigger person. I apologized, but you best believe. Don't get it twisted. I haven't forgotten a thing.
Sarah
Yeah. Watch out. So Porsche saying how she was hanging out with K, and they were talking about Pinky. And Pinky was saying that she has an issue with Phaedra. And Page was like, what? Me? I've known pinky for 15 years. And we find out this is about the meat thing. Because the rumor has been going around that Phaedra's been telling people that Pinky eats meat. Yes.
Amanda
So Phaedra's like, when did I say she ate meat? And Angela is like, shamia said, you said she used to have a rib joint. She goes, but she did have a rib joint. And Angela's like, well, but she's not real if she's eating meat in the closet. They're all laughing, and she's like, wait, but I said she's not real if she eats meat. I didn't say that. And they're just laughing. And so Phaedra says, if it may please the court, may I enter exhibit A? And we see a flashback to three weeks ago, infamous Meat Gate tapes. Shami is on the phone with Phaedra. And Phaedra is like, before she started this vegan stuff, that girl used to have a Jamaican restaurant serving meat, honey. Okay, that's very different. Yeah.
Sarah
First of all, I would love to try meat, honey. What's that?
Amanda
Meat honey. So she's like, she used to serve meat, and J is like, no way. Well, yeah, that's how it happens. Okay. People aren't born vegans. Well, now they're very close because they're getting vegan formula. But usually, you know, you go to junior high and you make that decision or whatever.
Sarah
Yeah, it is funny. Like, I don't think it's scandalous to say before she was vegan, she would eat meat. I'm like, yeah, that's the. Hence the before she was vegan part.
Amanda
Before Ben came out of the closet, he had a girlfriend
Sarah
before he got his license at 16. He used to never even be able to drive. He used to ride a bike.
Amanda
So Phaedra's like, well, I think she's got bigger fish to fry than eating meat. Sorry, those were mixed metaphors. But you know what?
Sarah
I. Still non vegan. Still non vegan.
Amanda
Yeah. I saw it on the real news, and it was ajc, which is a credible news source.
Sarah
Yeah. Atlanta Journal Constitution, for those who are wondering and Then Phaedra's like, I was,
Amanda
I was like, Andrew James Cohen, who are you talking about?
Sarah
Who's AJC Andrew Jice Clay. So Page was like, she's like. And I think the Daily Mail may have mentioned it, which is a huge international news source, that she was late on rent. She's like, I think it was, yes, that she can't pay for things. So I think that's the bigger issue.
Amanda
So the headline, bloody vegan businesswoman who owns five plant based restaurants embroiled in embarrassing cash scandal. Ooh, what's a cash talking about?
Sarah
You. The Hamburglar is the least of your issues. So they're talking about.
Amanda
This headline is talking about. What's the cash thing? Well, bankruptcy. 1.3 million in debt, 1.2 million to the Small Business Administration. Oh, okay. Well, I was wondering if like there, when they say cash, I'm like, cash. Because cash is so rare, you know, I'm like, where was the cash being kept? But I guess I meant just money in general. Never mind.
Sarah
Yeah, well, I can't believe the Daily Mail would mess something up. So they, so then they start talking about this event.
Amanda
Well, I'm sorry, you. I'm so sorry. You're trying to get ahead and I'm reading, I'm reading news. I'm sorry everybody, but I do want to finance this part. Despite the debt, her filings revealed substantial assets including $2.8 million in real estate, vehicles and a five thousand dollar French Bulldog. Wow. I don't know why that, I don't know why that detail made me laugh, but it's like I'm broke. I'm. I deserve this dog. Yeah. Those dogs are so expensive. That's nothing. Medical bills.
Sarah
Yeah. Adopt, Adopt. It's. It is sort of funny about talking about giving back to the community, etc, but then like, I don't know, indulging in something like a five thousand dollar dog. I don't know why I. Both things are allowed to coexist, but for some reason it just somehow feels.
Amanda
It's a vegan dog. Get off her ass.
Sarah
It just feels off.
Amanda
I'm starving. I've had celery all day.
Sarah
Please, here's a question. If you are vegan, do you serve vegan food to your dog?
Amanda
Some people do.
Sarah
Is that appropriate? No, it's like not, not, not in a judgy way, but meaning, like it's one thing as a human, but like is v. I mean, dogs are not naturally vegan. Right? Like there is, there is still a.
Amanda
Well, humans aren't Naturally full of restylin, but I'll put it in my face. I mean, give it.
Sarah
I'm not mad if a dog is served vegan food, but I. Part of me wonders, like, is it. If it's one thing for you to make the decision to be like, I mean, I'm gonna be vegan, but like, for a. To be like, this dog's gonna be vegan too. Is that right? But then again, you know, who knows what we're feeding the dogs at any given moment? Giving them the non vegan stuff is, like, really part of their natural diet either.
Amanda
Well, I was gonna say, if dogs had it their way, they'd. On your living room floor, like, you
Sarah
know, dogs will literally eat anything, so.
Amanda
Including on your living room floor. So there you go. So they're talking about this, and they're talking about this event. They have to bring all this stuff for it. And Angela's like, I have to bring underwear. And Phaedra says, yeah, you want to help with this formula? Because this is like $4,000 that they're asking me to spend. It's 28 a can. And she's like, why are you buying that? And she's like, and Poor's like, it has to be vegan formula.
Sarah
$28 a can is outrageous. How is that also, is it considered
Amanda
vegan milk if it comes out of a woman's breast, or is that considered an animal product?
Sarah
Is it considered vegan milk if it's milk from a cow? I'm just kidding.
Amanda
It's a vegan cow. All the cow eats is grass. So Phaedra's like, well, I'm gonna pump again just to give him some more powdered milk. And she says, okay. Portia's like, pinky asked me to supply a book bag. That's fine. But she said, a book bag with toys, puzzles, books, notebooks, crayons. Girl, just take my Amazon account. Buy what you need. Geez. It's the whole thing.
Sarah
Yeah, that's. It's a lot. I was looking at vegan formula, and it really is expensive. It's. But let's. Let's see what the normal baby formula costs. So I'm seeing prices like 48, 32, 48, 41, 22. I mean, admittedly, everything costs that much these days.
Amanda
You know, like, you get can, though.
Sarah
Well, it wasn't a. It doesn't look like these are just simple cans. These. It looks like these are large amounts. Okay, I'm going to look up the. I'm going to look up this this one is a.
Amanda
What is it? Lover boy brand.
Sarah
Hey, I worked hard on that.
Amanda
Let's see.
Sarah
How big is. How big is this one?
Amanda
It's for vegan baby alcoholics.
Sarah
I can't see how big these are. They look. They look like they might be big. Okay. A four pack choice soy infant formula four pack at Walmart is $83. I don't know. I don't know how.
Amanda
Holy mother seeds. And then how much.
Sarah
I think each one of these cans is. Is large. I don't think it's like. I don't think it's like a single serve.
Amanda
Well, yeah, for 80 bucks. But then how much is regular formula?
Sarah
It's also very expensive. It turns out it's all expensive, baby. It's actually all around the same price. Wow.
Amanda
Okay, well, when can you just start feeding your baby like, licorice? Do that.
Sarah
You know what, all I gotta say is, I think I complained about this before, but I got like a little box of Atkins treats, like low carb treats from the store, which was like six chocolate caramel clusters and individual wrappers. $18. Crazy. Yeah, I can't buy those anymore. That's like, that's wild. So like to hear that, baby.
Amanda
Buy a vegan baby for cheaper.
Sarah
Seriously?
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Amanda
So now let's go over to Fangy, the Fanji offices. So I don't know what we work. We're in, but let's go talk Fangie. Angela. Angela. Angela. She comes in with this big gold blingy fan, which is cute. And she's like, well, I realize that I'm not the only woman who gets hot. And then once I realized that it's got nothing to be ashamed of, I just felt like I could be a voice for the other people. All the other people in the world who haven't heard of fans. Angela, you live in the south,
Sarah
did not find the only handheld fan. They exist for a reason. There's a market for them. The voiceless people.
Amanda
Hot people in the South.
Sarah
Yes. Angela has discovered the many nuances of body temperature.
Amanda
I was laughing so hard at this whole scene. She is so ridiculous. And then she's like, well, okay, so let's talk budget. $30,000 for fans and marketing. $15,000. So they're like, well, how many fans do we have to sell in order for you to break even? And she's like, like a, like a thousand fans. So they'll recoup their first rollout. So does that mean they're $30 a fan? People are not going to pay you $30 for it.
Sarah
Can you feed the fans to Your babies. Honestly, I think this is a great idea. Personally, I think, like, a blinged out personal fan. Why not? I think it's fun. I think she could actually do well with it. But I just think it's hilarious that she is taking this marketing line. Like, she's giving a voice to the voiceless. Like, I could be the voice for other people who get hot. Like, I don't think this is a cause that needs to be that. Like, you. You need to have, like, banners behind you and patriotic music. Like, I will be a voice for those who are sweating just a little bit too much to have a voice for those who have a light film on their forehead. I shall speak for the.
Amanda
Maybe people will pay that much for a little handheld fan. I don't know. I'm seeing stuff on Amazon, like, play hot upgraded portable handheld fan. 20 bucks. It's not blinking either. So.
Sarah
No, I could see it, like, doing well. I. I legitimately could. It'd be like a selfie stick. People, you know, you. Everyone will laugh at it, but then, you know, people will get it. I mean, people. People love blinged out tchotchkes.
Amanda
Yeah, well, I mean, a handheld fan, people will buy that. I think I'm just not understanding, like, you're a housewife. So normally housewives will just slap their name on a product that's, you know, like, partner with a fan. Just gives you a cut to sell the fan with your name on it. So I guess I don't understand the whole, like, hunting down fans to be. I don't know. I don't understand it, but I think it's very funny. And I love that she's helping the voiceless. The voiceless, sweaty people. So then she's giving a speech to everyone. She's like, this will recoup, you know, the first rollout. And I don't want to do stuff like I did before, like throwing all this money at real estate. By the way, I just bought another house. And this shows. It's. The music stops and you just see the employees like, oh. Oh, God, Angela. Why? Angela?
Sarah
They're like, why? Why are you doing this, Angela?
Amanda
But I made sure that the house is not cooled and it doesn't have any fans. So once we sell it, we'll be able to sell fans to the people who move in.
Sarah
I just. I need a win. Like, are you saying that this is already a failure? Did this one already tank?
Amanda
So then this lady saying she needs to. Because all that real estate's failed and stuff. And so she's like, I ignored everybody when they told me not to buy those houses. And I ignored them, and they knew what they were talking about, and I paid for it. But with Fangy, I'm going to seek wise counsel.
Sarah
I went to Tibet, and I climbed up the mountains to a temple in the sky. And I found the. The great monk of fans. And he told me, if you turn it on, they will come. So here we are.
Amanda
So Amari is also there, and she's like, oh, my God. She. She's not believing any of this shit. And Angela says, you know the mistakes I made before, I didn't properly budget for those. But I'm not going to do that this time. By the way, everybody, this is Charles. Will you give me half that money, Charles? And he's like.
Sarah
He just laughs. But he gives it to her. He's like, okay, you can have $50,000. He goes.
Amanda
She goes, well, I want you to be the face of the man, handheld fangie. And he's like. Like, yeah, that's not really my field. She goes, but you could wear it around your neck. And he's like, yeah, that's Flavor Flav.
Sarah
People do wear those things that, like, sort of. They look like headphones, but they're actually like a little fan that blow up on your. Onto your face. Ever worn one of those?
Amanda
No.
Sarah
They're good. They're surprisingly good. They're lovely.
Amanda
I've seen them before, but I don't know. I'm all sweaty, so I feel like when I'm just heating my neck, I know it's supposed to cool your whole body, but it really doesn't. I feel like my neck's freezing. And then the rest me.
Sarah
It's like, well, yeah, and they look ridiculous too, by the way. It's like the equivalent of having a. A buzzer or like a. A little case for your cell phone, you know, you might as well just say, hey, everyone, I'm a dad.
Amanda
Yeah. So she's like, well, in. Or we need 50 grand. And I was going to run by. Run it by you to put in half. And he goes, really? Another one of your projects? Okay, why not? Cheaper than the house.
Sarah
He just laughs. I really adore Charles Barkley. I mean, Oakley. And I. I do enjoy. He's surly, but he does. He does support her, you know? So now we go back to slutty vegans. Big slotty sluts are in the house. And it's the. Now it's time for the big give Back event. So Pinky tells us that her mother worked four jobs, and when she was born, her father was sentenced to 30 years in prison. So she understands, like, hard days and. And yada, yada, yada. She didn't get back. So K. Michelle arrives first. K. Michelle, a friend to no one. And she is. She says that Drew is not going to be arriving because she has a respiratory infection. So there will be no Drew Sidor this week on the road does not
Amanda
have a respiratory infection. She has a don't want to buy charity supplies infection.
Sarah
That's exactly it.
Amanda
She's like, I will. I will donate this boombox from 1986. And if you're not taking that, I will not be coming to your party. Thanks.
Sarah
Let's not forget Kelly's event last year. For what? I forget what designer. It was where they all, like, went to the mall, but Drew didn't buy anything. But then she had, like, receipts that she showed of, like, that she bought like a stick of gum
Amanda
back to the. She went back to the store. She's like, but I did go back and buy something. Weren't they saying, yeah, but you were trying to get like a D, like the influencer discount or something. Oh, God, Drew.
Sarah
It was some silly thing, but yeah, yeah, she definitely had a not. Not buying vegan baby formula. Itis.
Amanda
But again, I said it that year as well. You know, I said it last year as well. This is shooting. I have to come to this for work. Do not make me pay thousands of dollars to come to work. That's not fair. I'm not doing it.
Sarah
So they're all admiring over at a. Portia's house. I'm sorry, Phaedra's house. Portia comes over because they're gonna have some vegan food, I mean, some non vegan food before going to the vegan restaurant. Because they, they know that they're gonna be hungry. So they're, they're. They're eating. And Phaedra is admiring Portia's butt. And she's like, I am a Tonkologist and I can appreciate all booties. Not everybody has to have a double Dutch bbl, but, you know, not everybody is going to have a fatty wady wady. And also, we forgot to mention that during the, the, the spin scene, we definitely got a flashback to Phaedra and Apollo doing their.
Amanda
Their donkey booty. Yes, donkey booty.
Sarah
Because she was, like, eyeing the instructor and she was like, yeah, I'm not going to go for another fitness instructor type. I already made that mistake.
Amanda
Portia is saying, well, it's Tacky before you go to an event. But we're Southern divas, and we're not trying to just eat veggies, okay? I was vegan for one season only. So we're eating first freaking frack will be full.
Sarah
Baby vegan. I forgot she was baby vegan. So then they're talking about this, the pinky thing, and about the meat issue. But before they get too deep into it, Aiden walks in to say hello. And he is. He's even. Seems to have even become even older than he was, like, two episodes ago.
Amanda
Yeah. He's like, hello, I've just started a financial firm. Welcome. My son is on his way to college.
Sarah
He turned into Ray. So all I want to do is golf in Florida. I just want to move to Florida. So Porsche's like, so, what are you going to do for the rest of the day? And he's like, I'm going to take a nap. And she's like, what? You get to take a nap in your black mama's house? It's like, Pedro's like, I cleaned my mama's house, okay? I seasoned her meat, I put it in the crock pot,
Amanda
and I rolled her biscuits every day. Portia says we weren't allowed to take naps after school. You gotta look busy at every point in time. And Phaedra's like, you know, I'm still a black mama. You've gotta know how to wash your clothes and how to wash my clothes and to how to get me a Coca Cola and how to get me some ice water and how to clean my car for me.
Sarah
Yeah, you know, I know how to do the laundry. I know how to wash things and clean a car. But damn, how do you get a Coca Cola?
Amanda
It's really varying. It's really varying. All the things you have to do for Pedra. Give me some water, you know, clean my car. So she says, you know, with boys, you've got to keep the fear in them. So, you know, I might just randomly punch him.
Sarah
He's like, whoa.
Amanda
She's like, whoa. Says, yeah, you got. You got to have them thinking, whoa, this lady's really crazy.
Sarah
So then they'll never try you. And Aiden's just standing there like, may I leave, ma'?
Amanda
Am? She's like, okay, go take your nap then. So now they're talking about the event, and Phaedra's like, we're going to Edgewood. That's the place that's in the bankruptcy. And they're saying what not to do with your business and your Money. Come on. And for. She's like, oh, stop, Phaedra, stop. So now we go to Slutty vegan. Hey, slut. Casel gives some announcements and stuff. And Pinky is. Derek is going.
Sarah
Derek is upset? Yeah, Derek is upset. I'm sorry. Pinky's upset because Derek is like, yeah, I gotta go. I've gotta change my clothes because I've got, like, a business meeting later. And so Pinky's sad because she's like, this is a big deal for me, and you can't give me, like, 45 minutes for my event. I think she just wanted to introduce Derek to all the women because this is, like, a perfectly nice charity event, but this is not a gala. And, you know, I mean, it's always nice when your partner can be there with things.
Amanda
But, like, he came to help you set up. That was good.
Sarah
And $5 million by the end of the episode, it'll be okay. Yeah. The.
Amanda
They ask if he. If she's told him about the bankruptcy, and she's like, is that a trick question? No, I have not. So Cynthia come. Everybody's coming and saying hi and stuff. And K. Michelle is like, oh, you know, by the way, Pinky, I heard about everything going on with Portia, and that happened to me too. So I get it now. And I can understand why you didn't say anything in that moment, but when it happened to me, I completely understood.
Sarah
And K. Michelle's like, I realized this girl is slick with her shade. So Kelly says, like, no, we did speak briefly. I mean, on the phone, but, you know, by that time, I wasn't trying to hear any of it.
Amanda
I just don't think Portia was, like, coming for her to be shady by saying miscarriage. That just doesn't seem.
Sarah
No, I don't think so either.
Amanda
Portia's more fun with her shade. She's not someone who's going to be like, haha, miscarriage. Would you have a miscarriage? Like, that's not really her style. And I think this is bizarre.
Sarah
I don't think that she. I think it was totally an innocent comment. I think it hit K. Michelle the wrong way because she's sensitive about that. And she's also probably in a heightened emotional space with just everything with her body right now. So, like, it hit her the wrong way. And that's okay, too. You're allowed to feel what you feel. But I also feel like after you talk about it and you clear the air, like, it should be okay. And the fact that she's still Kind of like I'm sleeping with one eye open. I'm like, you can do that, but not for this. Like, like, you'll. Porsche will give you plenty of reasons down the line, down the road, but this was not. This was not, I don't think, a very strong basis to start a feud.
Amanda
Yeah, I don't know. I just don't think she meant it that way. Like, it was stupid, but geez, so now they're talking about that. And Kelly's like, well, we spoke briefly on the phone, but by that time I was. I wasn't even hearing any of it from her. So for Fordra, Portia and Phaedra come, and the workers, like, we've got sluts in the building. And Portia's like, wait a first. She's like, hey, wait, what did he just say to me? She's like, wait, I mean, damn, I'm gonna pay you to call me a. Hated it. Hated it.
Sarah
Yeah. So then. But then there's like some frosty, frosty moments between Portia and Kelly because Portia hugs Kelly is friend slash publicist Lamont, but then kind of ignores Kelly.
Amanda
So.
Sarah
And Portia's like, did I ignore or did I just, like, maybe I didn't see her. And then she starts looking, like, down, like, where is she? Where is. Where's that adorable little lady? Kelly's like, take a grass fed burger and stick it up your. You know what Pinky should name it the. The Horsha burger. Horseshoe. Remember when I said that? It was so funny the first time I said it. Horsesha. Horseshoe with a side of African. Horser with a side of foo Foo. Horsesho. Horseshoe.
Amanda
Horsa, if you don't think it's funny, hold on. Horsesha.
Sarah
Also, does she know that a grass
Amanda
slurping out of her drink like, you're not funny. You're so ridiculous. Stop. Ellie's been doing okay this season, but, oh, this horseshoe. And then, like, her. I'm sipping on my drink, okay, she's
Sarah
gonna have T shirts. They'll be like, horsa.
Amanda
Yes, yes.
Sarah
Shamia and Angela arrive and everyone's there. They're doing their donating and stuff. It's very nice. And Angela's talking about how she grew up and they had to go to shelters every now and then. And, you know, so this means a lot to her and Cynthia.
Amanda
So now the lady talking and Porsche is saying, you know, how are you for real, Pinky? And she's talking about bankruptcy and stuff. And so she tells the ladies, and she's like, Well, I don't have to file, but because I have a new company, I need to have a clean slade. And, you know, I don't know if you saw the Internet article, but it's 89 grand. And I mean, please, I can wipe my ass with that. I mean, it's really more than. It's messing with my reputation.
Sarah
Yeah. Vajra's like, ooh. Because I can wipe my ass with $90,000 every two. Two hours. Okay, girl. Well, pay it to the rent man. Don't wipe your booty with it. Get some char.
Amanda
So Pinky's like, I'm gonna do a burger for Portia's personality. She's like, don't you do me, shady. And she goes, I'm gonna get you a one night stand. And I'm gonna get Phaedra a Hollywood hooker.
Sarah
And she goes, lo. Okay. So Portia. Portia basically tells the kitchen she wants something with real cheese on it, which is hilarious. And Biggie's like, there's no cheese back there. She goes, well, you're not. You don't get mad at me about it. We already determined that you don't eat any meat. And Biggie's like, well, that's because Phaedra's around here telling people I eat meat. And Page was like, I never said that you eat meat. Angela said, possibly Shamia said it. She was like, yeah, you did say it. And paid was like, I didn't say it. I remember you. Pinky had a lot of accolades. And one was owning a Jamaican restaurant that served meat. And you would show people how to eat the meat by eating it yourself at every table. You just go and take a bite of every piece, every person's meat.
Amanda
So this is just Shamia full of shit, of course. So Shamia's like, well, I'm. I swear, the lady. I swear I thought the lady told me that Pinky ate meat. Whatever. And Phaedra's like, you can run the tape. So we see the tape again where she did not say that. And Angela's like, no, you know, Phaedra probably said, that girl eats meat. Like, she does this thing where she forgets what she eats says.
Sarah
So, you know, I'm sorry, I. I got distracted. And the reason why is because there's the craziest piece of Bravo gossip that surfaced today. And I was going to mention it at the top of the episode, and I forgot, but luckily my friend just texted it to me right now, even though I'm on do not disturb. I don't know how the texts are still coming through. I think it has to be mentioned now, as long as we're talking about, you know, executives and people who are. Who are big and important. Have you heard the gossip that Michelle from the Valley is dating Dr. Dre?
Amanda
No, but Hannah just sent me a text right when you said that, that says what in the. Dr. Dre is happening here? Apparently her bestie dates his bestie and it's actually legit.
Sarah
But, like, we had a whole joke that turned tragic, unfortunately, that Michelle was dating Rob Reiner secretly. And.
Amanda
Well, I worry for Dr. Dre then.
Sarah
I didn't think that it could get more absurd than that. Nowadays, everybody wants to talk, but they got nothing to say. Found out you forgot about Michelle.
Amanda
So anyway, Dr. Dre, it rhymed. It rhymed
Sarah
straight out of Chateau. So,
Amanda
okay, so back to this vegan stuff. Phaedra's like, yeah, I said that you had accolades and before this you had a Jamaican restaurant. And so Pinky's like, where's Maury at? This is like a Maury Povich clip. Where is Maury Povich? Which they add a clip of Maury Povich later. So it's great. So Pinky's like, nobody's trying to step up and say, who said it? Listen, I am plant based and the only meat I eat is my husband's.
Sarah
Yeah. So.
Amanda
But it's not grass fed meat. I would just like to have. That is meat based meat.
Sarah
And when do we discuss the fact that he is launching a cheesesteak empire? She meant. She actually mentions it on the show this week. We talked about it, I think last week or the week before.
Amanda
I think he had his restaurants before hers. Right. Or I read. I don't know where I read that. Probably in a comment or something. But yeah, he's had. He's like got a huge chain. He's really successful, which, you know, is fine. I don't. I don't need the morality in everything, you know, Like, I don't need my. I don't need perfectly. And I'm not saying she's not moral. I'm just saying that I don't need, like, perfect record holder vegans. Like, even if she wasn't vegan, even if she was eating meat sometimes, and she said, vegans don't have a really good restaurant. That's a market that needs to be tapped. I'm gonna fill that market and I'm gonna have like, I don't need it to be pure. You know what I mean? But. But for those who do her business is about to be saved by meat money.
Sarah
Yeah, Big meat. Big meat is bailing out. Big cheesesteak. Big cheesesteak.
Amanda
Because it's a big cheesesteak bailout.
Sarah
I just don't know if PETA will really appreciate that. It's like, where was this? This is blood money. Your donations. Oh, yeah. Okay, so where are we? Shamia. Okay, so basically, she's like, well, why would I lie?
Amanda
And Phaedra said, well, she doesn't like me. And Shamia said, I didn't know that I didn't like you. And she goes, well, you were talking about my kids. And she's like, what'd I say about your kids, Phaedra? And then Cynthia, just Cynthia, whose job it is to just go. Not the. That's what Cynthia does. If they're like, we're having a hot dog, not a hot dog. We're going outside. Not outside. So here she goes, what'd I say about your kids, Phaedra?
Sarah
And she goes, not the kids, not the kids. So there was this interview on the Shade Room podcast, and the host is like, okay, who would you pick to be your kid's godmother, Phaedra or Cynthia? And Shamia says, well, Cynthia, I mean, look at Noel's life. She's just such an articulate, beautiful woman. So I know if all else fails, Cynthia's gonna just make sure my babies are okay. So Phaedra took that as, wow. So my son's life is not so great. My son is not articulate. My sons are not beautiful.
Amanda
Where I talk about my son getting me a Coca Cola,
Sarah
I think you just. Well, first of all, I think Shamia, in those moments, you just say, well, I would honestly be so happy if either of them would, because it takes a village, and they both have wonderful children, and they are smart women who are trailblazers in their jobs. You just might say, whatever. But, like, if you're gonna pick Cynthia, then at least say, well, I would say Cynthia because Lake Bailey is beautiful, and I want my children to have a. Have a lake to play in and the beautiful views, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Amanda
I choose Cynthia because her child is better than Phaedra's children.
Sarah
Phaedra's like, how dare you? I know. That's kind of what she said, whether she meant to or not.
Amanda
Well, it's kind of silly. Phaedra's like, well, I took it as a dig. And she's to my kids. And she's like, well, I'm sorry you took it that way, but I can't control how you interpret, and I don't have a problem with saying that. I would like for Cynthia to be there. She's like, I don't have a problem with it either, but I did have a problem with you.
Sarah
Pinky's like, excuse me? We are at my event where we're not allowed to discuss tiny, stupid quibbles with each other.
Amanda
But you started it, Pinky. That's the thing. Pinky's like, okay, well, why'd you say that? And then why'd she say that? And who said it? Why are we fighting about my.
Sarah
Why?
Amanda
Why are we fighting in my event? You started it.
Sarah
Yeah, yeah. She's like, guys, can we just talk about this in Dallas? And Cynthia's like, no, that's my event. Why Dallas? We'll do it here at your charity event. I spent $4,000 to do this. I will talk about whatever I want to talk about.
Amanda
Yeah. So now they're like, everyone's a great mother. And they're like, oh, yeah. And Shamir says, I don't dislike you, Phaedra. And Phaedra gives it a long pause and just goes, thank you.
Sarah
I mean, I also would have said, you know, cynthia's been a mother longer. You know, Noel's out of college, so Cynthia just has a little bit more perspective. So I would just do it that way. I mean, there's just so many different routes not to be like, well, look at. I mean, Noel is just kind of the best kid in our group. I mean, everyone else is kind of just like a garbage child, right? But Noel is great, so I choose Cynthia.
Amanda
So Phaedra's like, I have no problem with Shamia, except now that I know she's gonna go cause confusion in the group on purpose and think it's funny, basically. So Shimmy is like, cap, Cap, Cap. Phaedra, stop. You want to create something so bad with me. I don't have drama. You were the one who started it. What are you talking about? You started all of this. I mean, not the thing, but still. Well, even that, you did, technically.
Sarah
So, Pinky, thanks, everyone for coming, and, you know, thanks for coming. Let's have some food now. And then they're like. Then we see the thing that says, okay, coming up later on Atlanta. And I was like, interruption. And then it's like, maury Povich. And he's like, in my hand, I have the results of your vegan lie detector test. And, Pinky, when it comes to the accusation that you've been secretly eating meat the lie detector says, that was a lie, Pinky. You're still a vegan. And everyone cheers. And she's like, thank you, Mori. And I was like amused at how silly this was. But I was also like, we shouldn't be doing this on the Real Housewives. I'm sorry.
Amanda
Yeah, that was a fail for me.
Sarah
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So then we go to Portia's house and we have a Porrin. A Porrin. A Portia and Lauren. Why do I keep mixing each other's names? So Portia and Lauren have a scene and there's no doorbell. And Lauren's like, this house is a little big to not have a doorbell. And guess what? You don't need one because it's Dennis. Guys, it's Dennis. Everybody knows the hot dog man. So yes, now it's A wacky portion. Dennis scene.
Sarah
Yes. Another completely unplanned scene. Unplanned, unself produced scene where they're gonna have an amusing dispute. So he comes in, and then she's like, oh, no. And so she takes the card that Mike had left on the flowers and, like, gets rid of, moves it away because it says I. The card just says, I want you. Which, by the way, you're gonna make. You're gonna send over a giant bouquet of roses, and the car is just gonna say, I want you. I don't think. Think so.
Amanda
So then he's like, I'm offended that you're dating. You know, he's doing that whole, like, am I jealous? Am I not jealous? And then a designer comes over. Torin. Because we met him before, to be specific.
Sarah
Have we. Have we. Have we seen him before on Bravo? Have we met him before? Was he on, like, Candy and the Gang or something?
Amanda
I don't know.
Sarah
I'm gonna look it up.
Amanda
Up. So he was on Candy the Gang.
Sarah
Wow.
Amanda
Wow.
Sarah
My Bravo. Dar knows no limits.
Amanda
Portia announces that they aren't just co parenting pj. They are now co parenting a podcast for pj. We want her to talk about her toys and how much she plays with them. So she's gonna have a kitty podcast, and her kid is getting her own set designer Child podcast.
Sarah
Yes. Seems like a good.
Amanda
You just sold your mother's house, you know.
Sarah
Yeah, yeah, this is. Yeah.
Amanda
Diane's out in the backyard in a tent, and meanwhile, you're building a set for your daughter's YouTube page. What the. What is happening on this show?
Sarah
So they're looking at the space, like, the pool house that they're going to turn into this set for, like, this baby podcast. And Portia accidentally calls Dennis babe, and it's like, oh, my God, that was muscle memory. Oops. I can't believe I called him babe. Oh, my God. And they're like, oh, my God, this is crazy. And, like, everyone thinks that this is outrageous, except for maybe the audience, because it's, like, not crazy that she would call Dennis babe, even if they're. They're so close. Baby. You know, the baby daddy. Etc. Like, it's just not a crazy thing. But they're like, whoa, this is crazy. What does Portia want in life? Who does she love now? I'm like, I'm not buying any of this. I'm sorry. This is. This is a big dead end for me.
Amanda
Yeah. And then he's getting, you know, jealous about the guy, and he's like, I texted you because you were on a date because you bring a black man to the black party. And she's like, well, it's a black party. I have to have a black man or person. And he's like, well, good luck. You should help me make some of your decisions because you. You don't make good decisions when it comes to men. Hi. You're one of them.
Sarah
That's what she says. She's like, you're the decision.
Amanda
Yeah, it's you, sir.
Sarah
She goes, I don't pick the best people. Hello. You're one of the people. Yeah. So, yeah, they. They basically just have like this kind of fake fight where he's pretending to be like. Like, don't date people. Be careful, whatever. She's like, I'm gonna live my life. It's all like, very. I don't know. Just felt like a bad sitcom.
Amanda
All right, let's go over to Derek and Pinky. Now is the big scene where he's talking. She's. He's really busy because he's got a 10 million dollar project for his cheesesteak restaurant, and he's trying to get it passed through. But she really wanted him at the slutty vegan event.
Sarah
Yeah. So she. He's like, yeah, I wish I could have stayed, but I had to change for dinner. She's like, but it was important for me. He's like, yeah, but you're not the only one that's busy around here. She's like, no, I just. I know, I know we're both busy. Etc. But now I'm about to go to Dallas and it's exciting and I'm just trying to figure out, you know, this because, you know, we'll see about Dallas. And anyway, in other news, I met with a bankruptcy attorney. And he's like, for what? I'm like, to get a biscuit recipe. I think it's in the name bankruptcy attorney. Oh.
Amanda
She's like, to file for a bankruptcy. And he just stares at her and he. He's looking at her like, you're doing this on camera. Like, why? What the hell? Like, you've really gotten so. You're such a reality person so quickly that you're like, you're gonna tell me this on camera.
Sarah
What the hell?
Amanda
So he's like, why are you doing that? And she says the personal stuff, it's like $5 million. And he says, who else knows about this? And it's like, nobody. Nobody knows. And then we see a montage of her telling everybody she's like every single person. Dozen chocolate donuts. I'm filing for bankruptcy. It's crazy. Thank you.
Sarah
Bankruptcy in the house.
Amanda
Hey, slut.
Sarah
Hey, donut.
Amanda
Time to make the donuts.
Sarah
It's time to make the donuts.
Amanda
So he's like. He's like, this is gonna. Oh, sorry, go ahead.
Sarah
No, same thing. Like, this is gonna be a public nightmare. And she goes, well, it's already a public nightmare. I mean, I've been fighting every single day. I'm in the news every single day. The perks of being a D list celebrity. Am I right? He's like. He's like, yeah, but, well, you're not gonna file this bankruptcy because I'm gonna give you $5 million. She's like, no, no, I don't want that. He's like, what do you mean? We're married. Like, we ride until the wheels fall off. Like, you know, I mean that. And I thought that was really sweet because, like, I think that's what if. If I found out that my life partner was in massive debt and I had the means to cover to. To. To get him out of it, I would 100 do it. Because that's what you do, you know?
Amanda
Well, I would hope that this guy. No, no, actually, $5 million. I'd be like, file that bankruptcy. $5 million.
Sarah
So that's the truth.
Amanda
But I would hope that he'd say, okay, I will give you this $5 million, but we also are going to sit down and structure your businesses together, because I know what I'm doing. And you, you know, you need help. And so I'm your husband. I'm going to help you, but I'm also going to help you in this other way. Maybe. I don't know. It's not nice to make menu. You know what the slutty vegan needs? Meat.
Sarah
No, but, but I mean, at the
Amanda
same time, you don't want to make it conditional. But, you know, I just worry $5 million is just a lot of. That's a huge fail. And this other one's failing and this. There's just so much going on that I'm like, I don't know.
Sarah
I mean, I would obviously, with something like that, I would obviously consult a professional and find out, is it smarter just to pay off the debts or to get or to declare bankruptcy? What's the smartest path? But ultimately, if your partner is 5 million, $5 million in debt, then you are $5 million in debt, too, because it should all be ultimately the same, same place, right? So you're just ideally moving, paying for the things that you owe, because it's not crazy to pay for the things that you owe on. And then. Yeah. And be like, but by the way, we're gonna have to get you, teach you how to run a business, because this can't ever happen again.
Amanda
Yeah, I wouldn't. You know, I would be like, bye. I would just disappear. I would be like, in a different country. I'd be like, I died. I'd just leave a note that said, like, I died. Sorry. But I do think it's nice that they have this kind of relationship. Like, I think it's good that she has such a support, a supportive husband.
Sarah
But, yeah,
Amanda
I guess it leads me to questions about bankruptcy. Like, when you go through bankruptcy and whatever, where does the money owed? What happens to that? Do people just have to be like, oh, I just didn't get paid for that?
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Sarah
Yeah, we'll have to see what they did in 1580.
Amanda
So one of those times that Abraham Lincoln went through it, what happened?
Sarah
What did Abraham Lincoln do? Oh, he ran for president. I guess everything was okay. So Pinky's saying she doesn't want to be the victim. The reason why she didn't say anything is because she just didn't want to be a victim. And she's like, you've got a successful business, and you're doing a lot of great things, and I can't. I can't pull you down while I'm trying to figure it out. And I'm not willing to do that because I will never be able to live with myself. And he's like, look, don't. You're not. Okay. Don't cry. We will figure this out. And I've told you, you're going to bounce back stronger. Except he's saying he has that voice that's, like, very high. He sort of has, like, a little high, gentle voice. And he's like, I know you. You're mighty, and you're tough and all these things, and I'm ten tones down with you. He's just like, I know. He's like, you're going to bounce back, and I'm going to make sure you bounce back. All you have to do is eat the meat. This is how people stop being vegan. They. They owe money.
Amanda
Take one bite of this cheesesteak, and everything will be yours. All right, well, that. That's it for us. We're out of here forever. We're done, everybody. Thanks so much for being here. It's fun. Times. We will be recording Real Housewives of Rhode island next, so stay tuned for that. We'll talk to you guys next time.
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Aired: April 27, 2026
This episode is the lively second part of Ben and Ronnie’s recap of Real Housewives of Atlanta Season 17, Episode 4 ("Vegan Beef"). The focus is on the ongoing "Meat-Gate" rumors dogging Pinky, vegan formula drama, business scandals, and the ever-entertaining inner circle feuds and shade among Atlanta’s Housewives. Full of signature sarcasm, quick wit, and Bravo commentary, Ben and Ronnie alternately praise and roast the housewives for their business ventures, charity efforts, messy group dynamics, and, of course, that infamous vegan meat rumor.
| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote/Moment | |-----------|-----------|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 04:23 | Sarah | "I don’t think it’s scandalous to say before she was vegan, she would eat meat. I’m like... yeah, hence the before she was vegan part." | | 05:15 | Amanda | “So the headline, bloody vegan businesswoman who owns five plant based restaurants embroiled in embarrassing cash scandal.” | | 07:12 | Amanda | “It’s a vegan dog. Get off her ass.” | | 09:05 | Sarah | “Is it considered vegan milk if it comes out of a woman’s breast or is that considered an animal product?” | | 15:15 | Sarah | “I will be a voice for those who are sweating just a little bit too much to have a voice…” | | 20:29 | Amanda | “She has a don’t want to buy charity supplies infection.” [mocking Drew’s absence] | | 24:20 | Phaedra (as recounted by Amanda)| “With boys, you’ve got to keep the fear in them. So, you know, I might just randomly punch him.”| | 29:52 | Pinky | “I mean, please, I can wipe my ass with that. I mean, it’s really more than—it’s messing with my reputation.” | | 33:40 | Pinky | “I am plant based and the only meat I eat is my husband’s.” | | 36:12 | Sarah | “It takes a village, and they both have wonderful children and they are smart women who are trailblazers in their jobs.” | | 38:46 | Maury (fake) | “When it comes to the accusation that you’ve been secretly eating meat, the lie detector says, that was a lie, Pinky. You’re still a vegan.” | | 43:21 | Sarah | “It’s just not a crazy thing [calling Dennis ‘babe’].” | | 47:07 | Derek | “We ride until the wheels fall off. Like, you know, I mean that.” (offering financial help) | | 50:17 | Amanda | “Take one bite of this cheesesteak, and everything will be yours.” |
As ever, Ben and Ronnie deliver a sardonic, affectionate but unfiltered look at Bravo’s most dramatic moments. The tone is fast-paced, irreverent, and loaded with pop culture references. They oscillate between thoughtful commentary ("If your partner is $5 million in debt, then you are $5 million in debt, too..."), and unserious, meme-ready punchlines (“The voiceless, sweaty people!”).
This episode is a whirlwind of Atlanta Housewives chaos: vegan shade wars, bankruptcy drama, entrepreneurial delusions, and classic Bravo-styled misunderstandings. Ben and Ronnie tackle each plot twist with mock-legal analysis, running jokes about business logic (or lack thereof), the cost of vegan formula, and the existential question—how vegan is a vegan if she used to run a rib joint? If you missed this installment, you'll be up to speed on all the key interpersonal feuds, reality-TV business plans gone awry, and why, in Bravo’s world, even a charity event can spark a fresh round of petty.
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