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Ben (2:52)

Guess what happens when there's so much. Well, hello and welcome to Watch what Crap Ends, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker. Joining me today on a big old cringy summer house recap is the one and only, the glorious, the never mean Ronnie.

Ronnie (3:26)

Never mean. All right, now you're just lying.

Ben (3:30)

It's Ronnie. Caram, everyone. Hi, Ronnie. How's it going?

Ronnie (3:33)

Hello. How are you, honey?

Ben (3:35)

I'm very excited because not only do we get to recap summer house in about a few minutes, but we have a big, huge announcement. This June, the first week of June in New York City, Ronnie and I are doing a cabaret. It's official. Why let the housewives have all the fun? We're gonna do a cabaret also. And not only is it. It's not just any cabaret. We are doing a cabaret courtesy of Ben Rimmelauer, who was the one who put Countess Luanne on the map for cabaret. So we're gonna be doing that at Green Room 42. This can be on June 3rd and June 5th, two shows. And these are small rooms. It's gonna be intimate. It's gonna be fun. We're calling it Forbidden Housewives, a watch what crap cabaret. And it's going to be so fun. The tickets went on sale this morning. There's a link on our Instagram and I'm a big dum dum. I forgot to put on our website. But by the time this is published, the link will be on the website, everyone, don't you worry. But we are. We're going to have so much fun with it. We're just going to be silly and stupid and sing songs and make fun of our favorite housewives and beyond. Are you excited, Ronnie?

Ronnie (4:48)

Yeah, I'm excited. I'm excited and I'm terrified. I'm excited. I'm terrified. I'm excited for June 6th for sure, because.

Ben (4:57)

Yikes.

Ronnie (4:57)

I'm very, very scared. But it's going to be a fun month. We had a meeting yesterday and worked through songs and stuff like that, and it should be pretty fun, you know, now we just have to do it and we haven't written it yet, so we're Starting to write it right now, so God bless us. This is really like summer stock. Okay, guys, here's a month.

Ben (5:16)

Yeah.

Ronnie (5:17)

Write a show, you know, so it's gonna be fun.

Ben (5:20)

I told Dom. I was like. It's like, oh, man. I was like, I have to memorize all these songs. He's like, how many do you have to memorize? I was like, maybe like four or five. He's like, that's it. I was like, that's a lot for

Ronnie (5:30)

me, but I have to write him, too. It's not just memory. Come on.

Ben (5:35)

You see?

Ronnie (5:35)

You can't tell anybody. I can't tell anybody in my life either. They have no pity for me. They're like, who cares? You do that. You love to do that. You're making up show tunes all day long. I'm like, so what? This is different. There's gonna be people there. I' the shower. I know.

Ben (5:49)

I think the making up the show tunes will be fine. It's just remembering the words, you know? You don't want to put all that effort into writing lyrics and then forget them or mangle them. So we'll see. We'll see how. I mean, it's. It's going to be great. No matter what. We're going to have fun. And if we mess up, we're just going to crack up. I mean, look, watch what happens. If there's anything that has been synonymous with our brand, it's goofs, so.

Ronnie (6:12)

Well, that's true. And you know, the hardest thing in this. This business called show is failing. And we fail all the time. And so I think that we've said, we've studied, we've set ourselves up for success, we're fine with failing. So there you go. That's all we need.

Ben (6:26)

Ben, if we happen to have an oversized, bedazzled songbook in front of us with lyrics for all our songs, don't be mad at us. We will aspire to be off script.

Ronnie (6:37)

Yeah. We've already given each other permission to do that, so.

Ben (6:40)

Yeah.

Ronnie (6:40)

Point is, it's going to be so fun. Come party with us in New York. As far as a tour, we're still waiting on dates, but we are going to be going on tour soon as well, so check back for that. But right now, this is it. We're so excited. So come see that. Get tickets. They're on sale now. They're really only a couple hundred tickets, so go get them. Yes. Long. Come on, people.

Ben (7:03)

Yeah. Yeah. I. I'm fingers crossed that we can sell out because it is These are, it's a small venue for us and I think it'll be like wonderful and cozy and we're just gonna have the best time.

Ronnie (7:16)

Yeah.

Ben (7:18)

Join us.

Ronnie (7:19)

Do it. So today is Summer House. If you want this on video, if you want bonus episodes ad free listening Discord server to talk to each other, all that good stuff, go to patreon.com and today is Summer House Season 10, Episode 13, Ship Happens.

Ben (7:37)

This was an episode. Wow, what an episode.

Ronnie (7:39)

I felt bad for Carl that they didn't even put soft in the title.

Ben (7:43)

Like, I know it is sort of weird that they emphasize the, the boat ride. It felt like so much. This episode was that soft bar launch that's everyone's talking about today. Lindsay and Carl's mom. Like, that's all everyone can talk about because that was obviously the most cringe worthy moment of the episode. Oh, I was so uncomfortable.

Ronnie (8:02)

Loved every second of that. Don't. I was like sharing a inch. I loved it.

Ben (8:07)

I was like, I was trying to anticipate. I, I, I was like, Ronnie's gonna have that exact reaction that you just had right there. Ronnie will be so happy. But I was like, I'm like, well, we'll, we'll get to it. We'll get to it. That's a tease for later in the episode. But wow. The softbar launch was a who's who of former castmates. Not all of them even got mentioned. Im, but you know, it was great.

Ronnie (8:30)

I was there. I didn't even notice him. I'm not even saying that to be mean. I really didn't notice.

Ben (8:35)

Well, there was at one point where Lindsay's like, wow, it's like a reunion. There's like Luke and Andrea and also like this person and that person. And they mentioned like everyone except for Emeril, which I thought was funny. Sue. Anywho, we are. It's August 23rd, two days before Ronnie's birthday and it's 11am this was when you were 49, Ronnie.

Ronnie (8:59)

Oh my gosh.

Ben (9:00)

Those are the days. You were in a different decade.

Ronnie (9:03)

Those were the days. Those are the days before. I was feeling random bumps in my body and being like, what is that? Maybe that's something. Like I'm feeling my knee right now. It's supposed to be bumpy, Ronnie. It's supposed to be bumpy.

Ben (9:17)

Yeah.

Ronnie (9:18)

Life is bumps, especially on this show. So everyone's in the kitchen. They're like, boat day. Boat day. And they're going on a boat. Okay.

Ben (9:28)

Yeah.

Ronnie (9:28)

So they're packing everything up for the Boat. We get a lot of that.

Ben (9:33)

Yeah.

Ronnie (9:33)

A lot of packing up for. For the. For the boat ride and just wacky stuff. Scott says bye to Mia. He's already out of there. He's been there five minutes and he's out. Bye. See you in six months. Okay.

Ben (9:44)

Gone. Yeah. And they. He leaves, and then they're getting in the car, and Ben says, good vibes only. Yeah. I mean, when I think of Ben, I think good vibes only all the time. And in the car with Mia, Kyle, and Jesse, Jesse's like, I'm excited to get some sun today. Gotta get that sun. Don't let the sun go down on me, babe.

Ronnie (10:11)

I still can't believe. So s. And Sierra. I mean, this is just me jumping to 13,000 conclusions, but is there a world in which she acknowledges she still has lingering feelings? Or is that not. Is that not this chat? Because this is. At the same time this is happening. Sierra and west are having their big meeting about being best friends again, where west easily manipulates the situation and makes Sierra think that, I don't know, they're in love again. I don't know what's happening on this show because now the whole cast is running around going, oh, my God, you guys. Wes sincere made up. Did you hear? West and Sierra made up. Are they together again? Are we 13? How old are the people on this show? I mean, Jesus Christ. I know. An old grumpy. I know that I am. I admit it. But am I that old? Like, are people still running around like, oh, my God, you guys. Did you kiss?

Ben (11:04)

I can imagine. I mean, it's been such a thing. Like, oh, my God, Are they, like, friends? They're also. These are very young people, too. Don't forget. They are young people.

Ronnie (11:12)

Kyle's 43 in age only.

Ben (11:18)

That's true.

Ronnie (11:20)

Come on. Are they gonna kiss again? What's gon. And it's the whole episode. Every time they go somewhere, someone else. Like, did you hear about west and Sierra? Do you think they made out?

Ben (11:33)

If you have an issue with Kyle's age, take it up with a portrait in the attic at the summer house. Okay.

Ronnie (11:38)

No kidding.

Ben (11:39)

God.

Ronnie (11:40)

Give me that. Dory.

Ben (11:41)

Can I tell you something? Kyle at the soft bar launch, I don't think he's ever looked better. I thought he looked so good at soft bar. I was like, his hair. He's got, like, a. A great head of hair. He just looks fantastic. It just looks better and better. I think he. I think as he realizes the finish line is in sight for his marriage he somehow is actually drawing energy from that, and it's like, making him full of splendor. Normally, as a marriage crumbles, some people tend to look more decrepit and age, but he, I think, is. Is drawing some sort of life force from it. He likes. He's like the marathon runner who sees the finish line coming up.

Ronnie (12:20)

Yeah, it's like an Infinity Stone charging up.

Ben (12:23)

I don't know what that is. Oh, does have to do with the car.

Ronnie (12:31)

It's a Marvel Universe thing. But actually, now that I think about it, I don't think that guy ever really got younger with Infinity Stones. He just got more powerful. He still stayed at.

Ben (12:40)

I have an Infinity Stones just, like, a little bit larger. Kyle Richards, be quiet. So,

Ronnie (12:48)

okay, I have a limited edition Infinity Stone. No one else can get it.

Ben (12:52)

So, like, my infinity stone was given to me by Jam Lee Curtis. So, like, I don't know. But, Kyle, I saw something this morning, I think, courtesy of our dear friend Bravo and Botox. Bravo and Botox was saying they made a comment on one of the social medias. Social medias about how Wes went onto his podcast and was like, I just want. Like, I don't. I, Like, I want people to blame. Don't be mad at Amanda. Be mad at me, and, like, they should come for me and not like Amanda. Right. Like, he said something like that. And so Bravo and Botox wisely pointed out that he says, don't be. Don't be mad at Amanda. Be mad at me. But then when there's been all these multiple leaks from Summer House at this point, not just that first one, how west hasn't said anything while Amanda's just taking it on the chin from the. You know, the. The listening audience over and over and over again. And Wes has just been sitting there silently. So Kyle chimed in, and he basically was like, yeah, this guy is all PR and he's totally ineffective like Amanda. Like, it was like he didn't have Amanda's back once during the reunion, he said nothing to support Amanda. And I'm like, I forget why I brought this up right now. It felt like it seemed like a right time to bring it up, but it just.

Ronnie (14:12)

No, yeah, yeah, I saw that too. And I love Kyle is. There was a lot of stuff, actually, that happened off the show that was fun. There was that, and then there was Lindsay going on Watch what Happens Live with Bailey. And, you know, she was wearing a horse hair necklace that was made by West's girlfriend, I guess, like the girl that he was dating at the same time as Amanda and was lying about.

Ben (14:35)

So there was that.

Ronnie (14:37)

And yeah, there, you know, there's been a lot of. A lot of fun stuff happening outside the show.

Ben (14:44)

Yeah. A lot of real fun stuff. And. And the quote from Watch what happens Live that seems to have gone viral is Lindsay saying something along the lines of, can you imagine using your husband as a decoy for your boyfriend? Something like that. And everyone's like, oh, Lindsay Hubbard. So.

Ronnie (15:00)

And then that leads to all the Reddit threats that are like, I told you, I've liked Lindsay this whole time because, you know, they're. There's so many.

Ben (15:06)

Yeah. But then people are also mad at Lindsay because of how she treated Carl's mom. So of course you don't need.

Ronnie (15:10)

Oh, were they mad at Lindsay? I didn't read it.

Ben (15:12)

Oh, yeah. Well, I would say 75 of people are like, wow. Like, I forgot I was. I was thinking that Lindsay was having such a good season and she was so mean to Carl's mom. So a lot of people are like, God, Jesus, Lindsay. And then there's like 25 that are like, yeah, like, why would she be nice to Lindsay's mom? I'm. To Carl's mom. Like, she has every right to be frosty.

Ronnie (15:37)

Yeah.

Ben (15:37)

So we'll get into that one. I'm sure we'll have a spirited debate. I should say a spirited low stakes debate. Yeah. Because who cares?

Ronnie (15:48)

Very low stakes. Yeah. The steak is on the ground. The dog is eating the steak. Okay. Very, very loud.

Ben (15:54)

There's not even an actual steak. It's just. It's a.

Ronnie (15:56)

It's a Vienna sausage. It's on the ground.

Ben (15:59)

Yeah.

Ronnie (16:00)

So. Yeah. So back to Kyle. Like, is there a world that she acknowledges she still has feelings? Or. I mean, it's like, first things first. Let them try to have a friendship. Yeah. But in a different world, they got back together at this coffee talk. I'm just a helpless romant. And Ben goes, no, you're not. What are you talking about? You're. It's like you're the least romantic person we've ever seen on television. Kyle.

Ben (16:23)

I know. He's like, you're just help. You're just hopeless. So Jesse's like, what if we. What if they're just like, hand in hand in the air, like, welcoming us on the boat? Ben's like, that would be the best thing ever. Almost as good as Sabrina Bell getting ready for dinner on time. So then they show up.

Ronnie (16:41)

That's what's confusing me. And I think it's confusing Sierra as well. Well, I think a lot is confusing. Sierra mostly west, telling people he saw the crush on her, holding her in these tight embraces for 10 minutes at a time, sniffing her in, as he's doing in this episode. So there's a lot that's confusing here, but the cast seems to think, like, oh, they made up, so now they're gonna be boyfriend and girlfriend again. Is that what everyone's thinking? Because I thought they were just saying, let's be friends again, but now it looks like they're getting back together. I'm so confused by this show. I think, can we just go back to normal terminology? Because I feel like this is what happened when everybody was like, you can't say boyfriend and girlfriend so fast, or you can't say, like, love. You can't say the L word before a certain amount of time. Everybody made these rules that made it so fucking difficult. So now you're just like, but we're friends. No, you're not. You're not friends. Stop telling me you're friends. Like, if we need to come up with other alternatives, you know, alternative, you know, words for it, then come up with that. But you're confusing me as an audience member. I need clear labels on what's happening here.

Ben (17:44)

Ronnie's like, what happened to the day I've just said I'm going steady with someone?

Ronnie (17:48)

Well, truly. You used to be like, well, we're going out. Well, what does that mean? If you said you're going out like you're dating. If you go out a couple of times with somebody and you're fucking them, then it's not so weird to say, I'm going out with them. But now it's like, you can't commit to somebody. You need to fuck them for at least six months and then decide if you're. I don't know. It's just all backwards. I don't understand why we've made it so difficult.

Ben (18:11)

Yeah, yeah.

Ronnie (18:12)

I'll say I love you to the checkout lady. I don't care if I feel love in that moment. I'll say it to somebody. I don't need all these rules.

Ben (18:19)

It's. It is. It's a lot. And as we all know, Summer House is the show that requires the highest degree of intellectual analysis to figure out what's going on at any given moment.

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Ronnie (21:53)

Yeah. But then they're also spending the time hugging and staring into each other and like, breathing each other in. Like, I don't do that with my. Like, I love you, but I don't do that with you. It's weird.

Ben (22:03)

I was gonna say, why don't you breathe in? Breathe in me more, Ronnie.

Ronnie (22:06)

Why don't you breathe me in?

Ben (22:08)

What am I, chopped liver?

Ronnie (22:10)

We've been friends for 20 years. You can't breathe me in once in a while?

Ben (22:13)

Why don't we. When we hug, why don't you ever take a long inhale through your nose? I'm like, what's going on with that? What am I like? Not good enough to be inhaled. Waiting for exhale.

Ronnie (22:24)

Am I uninhaled?

Ben (22:25)

Waiting to exhale. How about waiting to inhale? Okay, what's the matter? Okay, guys, how about Estella got her

Ronnie (22:30)

smell back and inhaled me?

Ben (22:32)

Okay, that's in the cabaret. It's in the cabaret. Putting it. Putting it in the cabaret. Waiting to inhale by Bethany Frankel.

Ronnie (22:42)

Okay, so they go see Wes and Sierra and they greet them like they just came back from war. Like, oh, my God, it's West and Sierra.

Ben (22:50)

Are you guys together? Congratulations on your gold medal that you guys got. They're like, literally like, hand in hand. Which, by the way, I'm convinced the producers were like, they were predicting that they'd be standing there hand in hand. I'm sure the producer said, when they come in, can you put your hands together and raise them over your head? I guarantee it. That's Like a men's warehouse guarantee, too. It has that much authority behind it.

Ronnie (23:13)

We want celebratory. We want a celebratory scene. It's episode 13. Give us our hands in the air. What did George Bush. What did George Bush do when he was telling everybody he won Iraq?

Ben (23:25)

Like, after two days, it's like, mission accomplished.

Ronnie (23:28)

Yes. Mission accomplished. We need you to wear mission accomplished T shirt.

Ben (23:32)

That's what the scene needed. Mission accomplished. That would have been the perfect metaphor. That's. You know what, Christina? That's the episode. Art, please. Mission accomplished.

Ronnie (23:43)

Maybe not 100% that. So I love that you're ready to print everything we're saying today. You know what?

Ben (23:49)

I'm ready to go.

Ronnie (23:50)

That's the one.

Ben (23:51)

Print it. Print it. I'll give you a cigar. Print it, toots. Okay. So they were like, everything. Oh, my God. That's exactly what I was hoping they'd be doing. Like, did they hear us? Like, this is the beast. Oh, my God, we're so happy. So lots of hugs. Everyone's celebrating, and they're all happy because it's been two years of tension between the two of them.

Ronnie (24:09)

KJ is like, did you guys just get married? Wes is like, kinda, yeah, basically, if

Ben (24:16)

we do just what I hope they'd be doing.

Ronnie (24:19)

So, yeah, they're all going crazy, and now it's time to go on the boat.

Ben (24:24)

Get on the boat. Get on the boat. So they're on the boat. They were gonna get on the boat, and now they're on the boat and they're there and they're sitting around. They're, like, chatting and whatever, and they're just talking about, like, extra clothes and yada yada. They're sort of just like, taking pictures and selfie. The boat leaves, and Mia asks Sierra how her conversation with west was. And Sierra's like, good. Like, honestly, good. As weird as it is, like, I do feel like he is my person. Like, we have this, like, really weird friendship, and it's, like, hard to ignore that. You know, I'm just gonna pause and let the audience cringe for some reason that I'll find out why in a few months. Okay.

Ronnie (25:00)

Oh, my God. He's your person. No, Come on. I'm rooting for your nemesis. I'm rooting for you. Why do you keep dropping the ball?

Ben (25:12)

Why not?

Ronnie (25:14)

This is why. This is why. I don't watch sports. It's my person. Don't root for anybody.

Ben (25:21)

Yeah, this is. This is gonna mess her up. Now she'll never know who her person is, like, for real. This will really her up. And that is so messed up of Wes to do that to someone. It really is. That's like long term psychological damage for this stupid hobbit who should fall into the volcano.

Ronnie (25:42)

So, yeah, you only get to say that's my person once, right? Or is that something that you can reuse later?

Ben (25:49)

You can have multiple people. I think. I don't think that saying that's my person is, like, a monogamous thing. I think, like, that's my person's. Like, you can have multiple people that are your people. Yeah.

Ronnie (25:59)

Oh, I don't. I don't know. If I was with somebody and they were like, oh, you're my person. I would be. I would be like, oh, my God. I'm. I'm their person. And then I met somebody else. Oh, he said. He said that I was their person. I would be like, I would dump. I would dump him. That person.

Ben (26:16)

Well, I guess it depends.

Ronnie (26:17)

Like, this imaginary.

Ben (26:18)

If you're talking about, like, your significant. If you talk about your significant other, then most likely there's only one. But there's a way to say that's my person in terms of, like, best friend or. Or a. You're, like, really close friends.

Ronnie (26:28)

I'm gonna try it out. I'm gonna go to the grocery store later because I do have to go today, and I'm gonna be like, hey, thank you so much. Perfect cut of salmon. You're my person. And see how anybody reacts. Like, if they're. If they think it's. If they act like, whoa, are we in love? Then I'll test it out today. I'll let you know how it goes.

Ben (26:46)

Well, you know, I already. I know I've told the story many times on. On. On this podcast about the time that I made a new friend and we went to brunch, and she was like, ben, I love you. And I was like, oh, my God. Like, I love you too. And then the waiter came around, and she goes, thank you so much. I love you. I was like, what the.

Ronnie (27:07)

That's me, though. Like, no problem saying, I love you.

Ben (27:12)

Wow. Well, you know what, Ronnie? You're my person.

Ronnie (27:15)

Oh, my God. Thank you so much. Okay, so Sierra is like, yeah, that's my person. And Mia is so proud of her. And see, she's like, I know that's not easy. And Sierra's like, yeah, that's not me. You know, I just snip people out of my life. Like, everyone knows, obviously, like, I'm not the most warm and fuzzy person. But, I mean, I am warm, but, like, I might not be fuzzy, but, like, I'm warm and like, I don't know, like, making up isn't my thing, actually. I think you're very warm and fuzzy.

Ben (27:45)

I think she is actually very warm.

Ronnie (27:47)

Yeah, I think she is very.

Ben (27:49)

She's like.

Ronnie (27:49)

She's shown a lot of warmth on this show. Yeah, Very warm. Very, very, very warm.

Ben (27:56)

Really killing it on the warmth. I do think she's warm. I think, though, she just is like, guard. I just don't think that she just. I think she is selective on who she's going to, like, bestow the warmth to. But that doesn't mean you're cold.

Ronnie (28:10)

I don't think I. Look, I think that she's very warm and fuzzy, but then when someone fucks her over, she snips them out of her life, which I don't think is crazy. I don't think that's, like, a dumb thing to do. I think that's called sense. Okay. And then when you. When you go back on that and then you let them back in and they do it to you again. Yeah, that's. That's not good. And that doesn't mean that, like, you overcame something by letting a loser back into your house. You know what I mean?

Ben (28:37)

Yeah. Yeah. So she's trying to be less. She's trying to be less.

Ronnie (28:42)

When they're done, get rid of them. There's a billion people in this world. How many times you going to get over by the same person? Snip them, get them out of here. You were right the first time.

Ben (28:49)

Yeah. So the. The boys are, like, jumping in the water and playing around, having fun. Except for kj. KJ is sad. He's like, well, he's. I guess he feels boat sick or something. So, you know, Dara's like, do you feel sick? She's like, yeah. So then. Then Kyle is FaceTiming Amanda. And here we go, everyone. This is the moment that's gonna cause me to reassess previous statements that I personally have made. So Kyle's like, hey, it's Amanda, everyone. Hey, Amanda. And man's like, is Sierra there? She, like, doesn't even want to say hi to Kyle. Like, yeah. So Sarah's like, oh, hey, Missy. And she's like, I miss you guys. It's like, wait, wait, Wes said, best night of my life. And you said, damn. Was that, like, sarcasm? She's like, no. It's like, way to rub this salt in the wound. And he's like, oh, it was like, so, wow. So you were feeling jealous and she's. Yeah, West. Best night of his life is the one night I'm not there. Yeah, that feels great. I was like, this is a obnoxious moment. Because if you just take it on face value, knowing nothing about the scandal, it's just like, base level obnoxious. I think, like, really, this is just like an annoying thing to say. Like, right. Like, it's like an obnoxious thing to be like, well, that feels great. He has best night of his life, and I wasn't even there. Like, shut up.

Ronnie (30:20)

Well, I guess they're referring to a text or something that they were.

Ben (30:23)

Yes.

Ronnie (30:23)

Like, hey, how's everything going? And we're having so much fun this weekend. Wish you were here. And Wes was like, yeah, best night of my life. And she's like, ouch down her. And the one night I'm not there. I don't know, I feel like I would say that maybe in a group text or whatever, but knowing the. Knowing what's happened. And Amanda is like, wow, so I didn't come this weekend. I mean, this is probably what she's thinking in my mind because, you know, I think they're already at this point. So to me, she's saying, well, you supposed to go become friends with Sierra again and just say, we're friends, Ryan, and then make it okay so that, you know, she would be open to dating other people and you could be open to dating other people in front of her, like me. And now I'm not even there. And you say it's the best night of your life. What the hell?

Ben (31:09)

Yeah, like, that's how it definitely reads. I think that's. No. So I definitely have been someone who has just been in denial, feeling like I just don't think this affair started over the summer. But, like, this is the first time where I thought, oh, yeah, maybe. Maybe something did start to happen around now it was suspect that she didn't show up that weekend. And I don't know, like, there was something about. This was weird. But whether it's just a total coincidence that she had this moment or not, I still thought it was, like, really obnoxious. I don't know. Like, I've always felt like this was Amanda's fatal flaw is that she does sort of have this obnoxious sarcasm to her that I have never loved. But I think I've kind of given her a pass on it because I feel like she's had to deal with so much from Kyle, but Now I'm, like, not giving her a pass on it because she really betrayed a best friend, I think. And so I'm calling it out where I see it, being the hero that I am.

Ronnie (32:07)

Well, welcome. Mission accomplished. So Kyle's like, well, I guess you just made it and made it about you, Mandish, because of course I did. Okay, well, I love you. Oh, no, Kyle, give it to Sierra. Love you. Sierra, can you give it to KJ

Ben (32:24)

he's sick right now. I know. I just would rather be with someone who has his eyes closed than to talk to you.

Ronnie (32:31)

Oh, so now Dara is talking to Mia, and she's like, yeah, I was a little nervous yesterday because I saw you guys talking to KJ And I was like, oh, my God, what are they saying to him? And sir? And we see a flashback to that. And Dara's like, yeah. I mean, I was like, I mean, I know it's quick, but, like, I don't have any qualms about it. I mean, I don't want him to have qualms. And if he does, it's going to get a knuckle sandwich.

Ben (32:52)

No qualms. Mia's like, well, like. Like, you don't. You. You're worried about him changing his mind or whatever. She's like, yeah, and, like, to double back would probably, like, wreck me, you know? So, like, if you mess up with what we've got going on, I'll be, like, really mad. He was like, yeah, well, I think KJ Is obviously mature for his age. Good God. The way I've been waiting for that kind of commentary about a boy. She's like, yeah, he's a good guy. And it's just more like he's just a little younger than you. So you guys are in a different phase of your life, and you just have to keep that in mind. I mean, he's 23, you're 24, and I don't know, like, I'm shocked you guys even have anything to talk about.

Ronnie (33:29)

How old is Dara?

Ben (33:30)

Let's look it up. I don't know.

Ronnie (33:31)

She's probably because they're acting like she's the old lady at the end of the Titanic. Dara, Summer house. Let's see. Oh, you know, that was 33. Oh, so he's 22 and she's 33. That is amazing.

Ben (33:44)

Is he 22? He's 22, right? How old is KJ Summer House. He's 28. Okay, you know what, you guys?

Ronnie (33:50)

Well, that's not bad. This is overblown 28 and 33. What did you say?

Ben (33:53)

33. 33 and 28, that's five year difference.

Ronnie (33:58)

Come on. I thought he reads 22, doesn't he?

Ben (34:01)

He does. He does read 22, but he's 28, which is surprising. Dara, if anything, Dara reads like she's 23. Not maturity. She just looks young. So, you know, hey, look at all these. Look at all these things we're discovering today.

Ronnie (34:16)

Yeah, I don't think that's a bad. I mean, 28 is almost 30. Come on, get out of here. And especially if that was a guy and a girl, no one would. Even if it was switched. You know what I mean? It is a guy and a girl, but if, if the situation was switched, no one would think anything of it. Old men dating 20 year olds. By the way, some people are like, good for you, buddy. Good for you.

Ben (34:38)

Sierra's 30 years old, so why is she giving advice like regarding, like to, like regarding Dara being like, you know, you guys are different in different. Two different, you know, eras of your life. Darren knows this. Dara's 33.

Ronnie (34:54)

Yeah, I, I don't know. I get the impression they don't really like Dara and they're nice to her. You know, I don't think anybody's being mean to her, but I think that the way they've taken KJ is like a little brother and KJ is like, like, I'm sensitive and I'm, you know, you know, he has all this stuff going on and he's very sensitive and I think he does seem very young to them. And so. And they see Dara, I think, like, okay, you're some tick tocker a you came in here, which, you know, they look down on because they're like reality people. So they're like, okay, tick tocker. First mark against you. Second mark against you.

Ben (35:34)

You.

Ronnie (35:35)

What was I going to say? Second mark against her. Oh, she liked Ben. First. Oh, no. Second mark against her. She's in the house because she used to bang West. So that's the second mark against her because it's West. And even though he hasn't had all this drama yet, he's still west and that's gross. Third mark against her is the. Who's the other person? Ben, that she liked Ben first. And then it seemed like she maybe settled on KJ after she didn't get with Ben. So I think that they're just wary of her for that stuff because they're really making her sound like Jessica Tamby.

Ben (36:09)

Yeah, well, I think that, like, we don't really. I almost wonder if they're just not really sure where they stand with Dara. She sort of is like, is she a cast member? Is she not a cast member? Is she just, like, KJ's girlfriend now? Like, And I don't know. I. I think they just have decided not to commit too much energy into her. And you could make the same argument with Sabrina, except that Sabrina's like, no, I will be accepted. So I'm gonna get in front of everyone's face and tell them how much I love them. I'm gonna. I'm gonna, like, do acts of service, and I will stand up for them in, you know, in things that I have, like, no reason to stand up for them in.

Ronnie (36:47)

Yeah. And I'm gonna bring this, like, I will be the first reality star in a choker in every single scene. Damn it. Have you noticed she's always in a choker?

Ben (36:56)

People were saying online that she's, like, actually, like, dead. And then, like, you take up the choker, and her head ro off.

Ronnie (37:02)

It's like Game of Thrones. You take off the necklace and she becomes, like, an old lady or something.

Ben (37:07)

Yes. Triples up.

Ronnie (37:08)

I was just wondering, because I brought up Jessica Tandy as being an old person. Like, why is that the benchmark of an old lady? I mean, Jessica Tandy's been gone for years, but, you know, I think it's because they stopped letting. I think it's because in the world, people have stopped aging the same because of Botox and facelifts and Restylane and all the other shit we do to ourselves now. And so that was, like, one of the last old ladies in media, because everyone else, they could be 90, and they still look at least 60.

Ben (37:38)

Well, I mean, Shirley McLean is looking definitely like a little old lady these days. God bless her. She just turned 92. I think it's largely because Jessica Tandy started a movie where she was driven around. She was like an old lady being driven around. And that's just, like. It just really cemented her old ladiness. And she also played a lot of roles that, like, leaned into her being an old lady. It was like. And now Jessica Tandy stars in the Old Lady Story, a movie about old ladies being older. And so, like everyone else, you know, there, of course, we have our older celebrities, and. But, like, Jessica Tandy just embodied the look of everything. Like, she was in Batteries Not Included. She's in Fried Green Tomatoes. Like, all these movies where she was

Ronnie (38:20)

like, I'm the old lady.

Ben (38:22)

And so, you know, Cocoon. So, you know, she's just. She's just that bitch for us, that old.

Ronnie (38:30)

I think that's. That's a good way. But I would just. Defense of Shirley MacLaine. I think that Shirley MacLaine has decided, like, that's a. That's a decision for her. She's like, fuck it. No one else is doing it. I'm going to age. Watch.

Ben (38:41)

Yeah.

Ronnie (38:42)

And I'm going to play every old lady in every movie that ever. Because now she does that, and she plays a really good, mean old lady. Like, that's Shirley MacLaine's. You know, that's her niche is like, the mean old lady, and she kills it as that. And I think she was like, I'm going to age. I'm going to be like, all the. Unlike all the other witches in this town. I don't care. I'm going to age, and I'm going to profit off of it. And so good for her.

Ben (39:05)

Good. I mean, honestly, good for her. Because it's like Jessica Tandy. I just think that Jessica Tandy just works. It's, like, fun to say her name. It's like, what are you going to say? Like, oh, Joan Blauwright. No, Jessica Tandy.

Ronnie (39:18)

Well, maybe a more modern reference so people who are listening could get it who aren't our age, you know, but whatever. Jessica Tandy, she was like one of the last old ladies. Because even Shirley MacLaine. You say Shirley MacLaine, I still think of her in things like I'll think Sweet Charity, you know, or stuff like that.

Ben (39:34)

So, anyway, iconic roles. Her iconic roles were not her being an old lady necessarily, whereas Jessica Tandy's iconic roles are. And I'm sure that there are some other. I'm sure there's plenty of, like, Francis Stern. Hagen would be a good one, too, but she's just not as famous. Right.

Ronnie (39:49)

Yeah.

Ben (39:51)

You know what's crazy? When we were doing our. You know, when it's Orange county season, you know, there tend to be a good number of Wendy Malik jokes that float around here. And it's, like, crazy that Wendy Malik is 75 years old. Like, I cannot that, Like, I think about that, like, at least once a week. I was like, Wendy Malik is 75.

Ronnie (40:09)

That's what I mean, you know? That's what I mean. You would never, ever guess that watching Wendy Malik, you would never guess.

Ben (40:16)

I would think Wendy Malik is, like, a. Like a solid 61.

Ronnie (40:20)

Yeah.

Ben (40:21)

At most.

Ronnie (40:22)

Yeah. And you know, who else feels that Way Wendy, Malik. That's the thing. So, anyway, the point is, speaking of never aging, Kyle, Kyle's like, how's everybody doing? Everybody doing down here on this end of the boat? And Jesse's like, whoa. Can I just say, you are looking incredible alien. You look nothing like Jessica Tandy. I mean, you really should. Are people even aging anymore?

Ben (40:48)

Yeah, I got back dimples. No, like, you are like. Oh, like, still pretty shredded for being, like, 43. Like, that's actually, like, really impressive. Like, if I were to assess your back, I would say your back is actually hard and not soft off brand.

Ronnie (41:04)

Your butthole is very tight as well. Yeah, get your finger out of my butt, Carl. Sorry, sorry. My bad. You just look really good. Yeah, when my nipples are hard. Yeah, it feels aware with that man here. You guys feels weird, you know, you feel like you're able to, I don't know, have more levity and just a good time this weekend because she's not here with you. He's like, yeah. I mean, dude, just when I'm being myself, I just irritate her.

Ben (41:29)

Well, you're saying you're being yourself. That's funny, because I'm just me. That's who I am. I'm just me. Stop it.

Ronnie (41:37)

You gotta be me. You know, you should be honest. I mean, you're different people, but that's okay. Like, the reality is you guys are either gonna accept and love each other for who you are, or you're just. I don't know. It's like, can I be honest? Can we just not talk about this? I'm always having a good day. And I'm having a good day. You're the one who brought it up.

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Ronnie (43:37)

Once upon a time, a mom needed a new car. Was she brave? She was tired mostly, but she went to Carvana.com and found a great car

Ben (43:44)

at a great price. No secret treasure map required.

Ronnie (43:46)

Did you have to find a dragon?

Ben (43:48)

Nope.

Ronnie (43:48)

She bought it 100% online from her bed, actually.

Ben (43:51)

Was it scary?

Ronnie (43:52)

Honey, it was as unscary as car buying could be.

Ben (43:55)

Did the car have a sunroof?

Ronnie (43:56)

It did, actually. Okay, good story.

Ben (43:59)

Car buying you'll want to tell stories about buy your car today on delivery fees may apply. Now it's time to go home. And guess what? They're home now. They're here. They're walking inside. It's nice. Air conditioning going on. And Sierra. Sierra's in the. In her room. And Wes walks in and here comes the big inhale. He hugs Sierra and it's like

Ronnie (44:28)

just holds her. They just hold each other. And the music stops. It's just them holding each other. Like slow dancing to nothing, to no music. Music only they hear Shonda rhymes is losing her mind.

Ben (44:38)

She's like, why are you not playing a singer songwriter right now? Where is the Colby Kay?

Ronnie (44:50)

Oh, so then of course, Kyle's like, it looks like we need a DJ in here. Did somebod$dj see, that's when we need Amanda here to be just like, shut up, Kyle.

Ben (45:06)

So Ben and Sierra are lying on. On. On Sierra's bed, and guess who calls. It's Sabrina.

Ronnie (45:12)

Oh, my God. Did I miss anything? Did I miss anything? Oh, my God.

Ben (45:14)

I just want to, like, make sure that I'm, like, still friends with Sierra. What's going on, guys?

Ronnie (45:17)

How's it going?

Ben (45:18)

He's like, oh, look, Sabrina Bale. How are you doing, Sabrina? Did you get dressed before you made this phone call? Very good. Did you make your bed okay? Just wanted to check.

Ronnie (45:29)

All right, Nat, did we eat all of our food without me there to choo choo it into your mouth, little girl. So then Kyle and who else? Kyle. Kyle joins Sierra and Ben on the bed, and Sabrina's like, oh, my God, you guys tell me everything. Serena says, okay, well, we woke up, we got an Uber. We went to the pier before everyone else was on the boat. And then we cut to west room, and Jesse's like, dude, that was so much fun. Wes is like, what? The boat. Go back.

Ben (46:06)

What else was saying What? I don't know. The giant boat ride you guys took all day. What do you. What else was he. Could he be talking about? So Sierra is telling Sabrina. So he actually did a lot of the talking. And he was like, well, you made it so confusing because, like, I don't know when I can have a conversation with you. You. Wait, wait, tell her about the end. Like hell, mate. Like, I'm waiting for the end, which is the best part. Get to the good parts, Sierra. Come on. You know, like, Sabrina Bell is a very dumb person. She can't. She can't, like, focus for a very long time, so you better get to the end.

Ronnie (46:37)

And then he was like, kind of like, okay, so, like, where do we go from now? And he's like, I don't know, I could, like, be your best friend tomorrow. And I was like, okay, then let's be best friends. And Seren's like, oh, my God, can we be best friends? Carl, pump my fist for that one. Go. That's a good one. Look at that. What are they in love with? Something called I love love, right, Sabrina Bell.

Ben (47:00)

All right, now, Sierra, say this next pot extra slowly for Sabrina Bell. She's getting over stimulated, so she's not going to be able to take much in. Okay, fine. I cried and then he hugged me, and then I just, like, cried some more.

Ronnie (47:13)

Oh, my gosh, I'm gonna cry.

Ben (47:16)

I mean, Wes did say he has a crush on you. So happy to hear this about people I just met last weekend. I am so invested.

Ronnie (47:24)

Messy ass Sabrina. Of course. So she's like, yeah, Wes said he has a crush on you. So now Ben and Kyle get close to the phone, and Kyle's like, wait, what? Ben's like, Sabrina Bell. What did we talk about? What stays in the. What. What we talk about in the walls of my apartment stays in the apartment. Do you understand friends? Young lady, you are not going out with your friends this week. That's it.

Ben (47:51)

Yeah, I. I don't trust this girl for. That was so messy, her saying that. And it's kind of like, like lady, they just got to being best friends again. You don't know these people. And now you're just, like, gossiping about all this. That's not your to gossip about. Just that way you can, like, endear yourself to Sierra. Like, there's so many red flags about this girl to me, me. So then Ben's like, all right, well, everyone, one night when we came back after a night, we were in the kitchen, and Wes was like, I still got a bit of a crush on her. And I'm like, sierra? And he goes, yeah. And I said, sierra, I just want to just make sure it's Sierra who we live with and not Sierra the singer. And then Wes got confused, and I said, so there's the singer named Sierra. And he goes, I know who that Sierra is, but why would you think I would be talking about her? And I said, I just want to clarify things. Anyway.

Ronnie (48:35)

Well, are you sure it's not Sierra the teenage witch?

Ben (48:40)

No, that's.

Ronnie (48:40)

That's Sabrina. What do you mean? Sierra the teenager. It's Sabrina the teenage wish I knew it. Oh, I knew it. Sabrina Bell, you are grounded.

Ben (48:53)

Now I understand why you're always bringing a broomstick into the bedroom.

Ronnie (48:58)

So that's why she's always wearing a choker.

Ben (49:02)

So he's like, I mean, it's my fault. I shouldn't be telling rumors and telling stories, and that's not going to help anything, especially if another girl comes. Comes and sits on his lap again.

Ronnie (49:11)

Okay, but here's the thing. So Wes said this. But this was before. I'm guessing it was before he was like, oh, yeah, we're. We like each other. Ryan flirting with Sierra all the time. And then the girl came and sat on his lap and blah, blah, blah, and led us all the way up to where we are now. So are they going to be friends or are they gonna. I need to know. I can't have this. Like, we're just friends, but we're really in love. I can't turn.

Ben (49:37)

I actually. I actually don't need to know. I'm actually like. I do find it kind of like, are they. Are the. Or are they not kind of a little bit of an annoying concept? So I'm just gonna go with right now, they're friends. I will also say another thing that has. You know, people have been sort of fixating on a lot over the past few weeks, but it sort of has come up again. Yesterday was when they were playing the games in the living room earlier in the season, the one where they were playing Spin the bottle. And Amanda gave Kyle a big kiss. And everyone's like, wow, Amanda and Kyle kissing. And now the fan theory is that she was doing that to make west jealous. Because after Amanda did this big, long kiss with Kyle, west then went and sat next to Sierra and then put his hand on Sierra's, like, side. Would you say?

Ronnie (50:30)

Yes, him?

Ben (50:33)

And he said something else at that moment, kind of like, it's up or something like that. And so at that. At that moment, we took it as west was drunk and he was regretting how he had been addicted to Sierra. And we sort of took it in that way as further evidence of him here saying he has a crush on Sierra. But now people are questioning, really, was that a crush moment or was that a. I'm gonna get back at you, Amanda, if you want to play games, I can play games too, too.

Ronnie (51:00)

Yeah, that one's been out for a while. But it was repopularized last night because it was on, I think.

Ben (51:04)

Watch what happens where Lindsay was saying the decoy, right?

Ronnie (51:07)

That's why Lindsay was like, imagine using your husband as a decoy for your boyfriend.

Ben (51:12)

Yikes.

Ronnie (51:16)

So, and I think that is what they're doing. That's what they're doing again by doing all of this charade of west going to make friends with Sierra. He's still using Sierra as a decoy because Amanda's just trying to clear the air so she could be with west publicly and he clears things with Sierra and gets that. Unfortunately, what Amanda didn't plan on is that west is a pig. Not only to Sierra, he's going to be a pig with you, too. He's going to do the same manipulative shit that he is doing to her, to you, which he is doing right now. Like, if he's breaking up, if he's making up a Sierra to be with Amanda, but then he's still going and telling everyone, like, I'm crushing on Sierra and, like, still, like, hugging Sierra, like, for 10 minutes while breathing her in. And it, you know, he's doing that to manipulate Amanda as well or piss off Amanda. So, you know, so it's a fun cycle. Enjoy that one, Amanda dummy.

Ben (52:07)

Yeah, enjoy it. So now they're gonna. They're sitting outside to have some dinner and Wes is like, wow. I mean, I can't believe this is our first tinny on the table. Our first dinny at the. On the tb. What he says. Our first Denny on the t. TB on the table. I hate this person, whatever it is.

Ronnie (52:27)

So Justin's like, Dinner on the tapes. It's her dinner. Yeah.

Ben (52:32)

Denny. On the tables. So then they're like, where's K.J. and he's sleeping. And then they're like, wow, can't believe summer's almost over, you know? And so Mia's asking everyone what the plan is.

Ronnie (52:46)

Mine's just begun, brother. Or as I would normally say to people who get me, mine's just but shortened words. So that was. That was hard one. Because they were mostly one syllables, but

Ben (53:02)

my sum is just bigs. I don't know how you could do brother.

Ronnie (53:09)

It's hard. It's hard.

Ben (53:10)

It's hard. It really only works on nouns. Be gone. My summit's just begun.

Ronnie (53:17)

So they're talking about the week coming up, this soft launch. Soft launch is coming up. It's on Wednesday.

Ben (53:22)

Ye.

Ronnie (53:24)

Wednesday. You know those days I wouldn't take pitch on the date. So, yeah, there's, like, a lot going on with it. It's, like, so overwhelming and serious. Like, wow, you've made so much progress in a year. It's crazy. It's like, yeah, yeah, I have really have.

Ben (53:37)

That's like, literally. Literally the. A perfect time, like, amount of time to make progress. Be like, wow, I can't believe in a year you've remodeled a place and built it and gotten your permits and got it ready. It's like, yeah, there was a year,

Ronnie (53:55)

wasn't a week.

Ben (53:57)

It's like, you made so much progress building this year.

Ronnie (54:04)

I believe you. You did this. I'm in year.

Ben (54:07)

Wow. I have to say, Ronnie, looking back at Watch what happens. We've made so much progress in this podcast over 10 years. It's like, yeah, it's been 10 years.

Ronnie (54:18)

He's like, yeah, we were just kind of starting out with the truck, but I know people. Things expected things to happen quicker. I mean, trusted me. Trust me. I wanted to. I wanted to, but, you know, it's here. And she was like, but it's been a year. And he goes, yeah, it's. It's been a year.

Ben (54:33)

If anything, we know that he's behind because we saw restaurant wars on Top Chef, and Michael Mina said it would normally take 10 months. So you're actually two months behind Carl.

Ronnie (54:44)

Yeah. According to another Bravo show this week, you're really behind Carl. Get it together.

Ben (54:49)

Last time I checked, they made two restaurants in 24 hours on top Jeff. So I don't know why we're giving all these applause.

Ronnie (54:56)

They also didn't serve alcohol so well. We had to wait to get our. Our license to not sell alcohol. That's actually a thing in Brooklyn, y'.

Ben (55:06)

All. Y'. All. We had to actually apply for a license to be passive aggressive to our best friend. And it just got cleared, so here we go.

Ronnie (55:15)

Yeah, Carl, you opened your bar. You. Oops. Your bars.

Ben (55:23)

Carl's like, oh, can someone fix the transmission on West? Yeah, there's been, like, a lot of, like, people really, like, you know, like, come through and, like, my family and my friends. I mean, like, I've had, like, some people at this table who've been, like, incredibly. I mean, like, you all have just

Ronnie (55:36)

been, like, so, so sorry. When he goes. I've even had so many friends who have helped. It goes and just cuts to Kyle with a blank face.

Ben (55:44)

They're just throwing. This is. The producers are taking symbols from across the yard and throwing them, like, frisbees at Cosmore. This entire scene. They just troll car.

Ronnie (55:54)

They just troll Kyle this whole episode. It's so funny. He's like, yeah, some of you have been helpful. Wait a minute. Yeah, but, you know, their wallets have been supportive.

Ben (56:04)

Wait a minute. What?

Ronnie (56:06)

I don't know. Just energy and all of it. You know, everybody at this table who. Who does not have blonde hair has been very supportive. Wait a second.

Ben (56:16)

I think the diplomatic way is to say, I really want to thank you all for your support. You've supported me in many different ways. To those who've been able to. To help out financially, I really appreciate it. I understand it's not feasible for everyone, but for those who did, I really appreciate it. But I am also. I feel the support in many other ways, not just that way. So thank you all. Like, that's the nice way to say it. But the way he's saying it, it. He's saying it in the way that if Lindsay had said something like that, Carl would have been like, that was just like a dig. It's like another dig by Lindsay. I mean, now, of course, he's doing it to Kyle, and he's okay doing it that way.

Ronnie (56:48)

Well, I'm just honest, like, you know, this conversation. I'm shook. This conversation about investing took place literally seven months ago and again in the summer. And we see a flashback to three weeks ago where Kyle's like, my wallet is way too deep in lover boy when they're dressed as old man. And Carl's like, oh, well, is this business, like, actually in trouble of, like, folding?

Ben (57:08)

Hold on, D. I mean, I've tried to be open and honest with where I am with my business, marriage, and our Sex life. And Carl said, but we don't have a sex life. We're bros. I said, no, bro, I'm talking about Amanda. He's like, oh. So then I was like, he knows more than everybody. He's not communicating with me because. Because I'm having to hear about issues, his issues with me from other people. So then we see a flashback of Jesse, Jesse happily being messy. Loving it. So Carl said that you didn't invest and he was sad and he wrote out a whole email to you that he was gonna. He was gonna, he was gonna say all his. Vent all his feelings to you and say why you're a big piece of. But he never sent it.

Ronnie (57:54)

Said he didn't let his mom send hers either. I was like, when was this? Well, what's up with you guys and emails? I mean, seriously?

Ben (58:03)

Emails instead of talking, Emails instead of

Ronnie (58:09)

saying hello,

Ben (58:12)

hey, thanks for whoever was snapping.

Ronnie (58:16)

Was it in the winter or was it recently? That makes a difference. So now Jesse is like, we're going. We're going to Murphs. So everybody leaves. Leaves. We are spared the half an hour getting ready scene, which is nice.

Ben (58:29)

I know.

Ronnie (58:30)

They just go, yeah.

Ben (58:31)

And they, they. Half of them go. Ben doesn't go. And KG and Dara are asleep and Carl has fallen asleep on the sofa. And then they, they all leave. The door closes and Carl's like, I just woke up. Wait a second. I had this crazy dream and you were there and you were there and you were there. It's like, Carl, you're talking to pillows. Oh. Oh, I guess I didn't have a dream.

Ronnie (58:56)

So then Ben is talking to who else? Sabrina, what happened? What happened after our phone call? Did anybody talk? Were you guys doing anything? Did. Did west and Sierra get married? He's like, well, Sierra and Westerlock, best friends again. And it's just like so good. Now we can all hang out and stuff.

Ben (59:16)

And then we see them partying in the Hamptons at Murf's. Big night at Murfs, guys. Big night. Too bad Carl wasn't there. He could have been in the mix. But now it's 1:54am and they are back and Carl's gone to bed. And Wes is like, hey, what's up, Carl? Oh, I guess Carl went. Went to bed. I'm like, yeah, it's. You've been out for like four hours. He got up from the sofa. Shockingly so.

Ronnie (59:41)

Sierra. Sierra had made KJ a plate and it's still sitting out. And they're like, oh, my God, is kj okay. And he's still sleeping. Sleeping. He's just never. Well, he's just been sleeping all day and all night. So Kyle is in his bed text and he's like, what the hey? I texted you earlier, but I didn't hear back. I'm home now. I'm going to bed. Talk tomorrow. Miss you.

Ben (60:07)

Yeah. And he's like, yeah. I will say that my text read with Amanda is like, perhaps one of the most depressing text threads of all time. It's like, hey, babe, take it off.

Ronnie (60:15)

Off.

Ben (60:15)

Hey, babe, Landed great set. Calling it a night. Morning. Take it off. Here's a gift about lover boy. Here's another gif about lover boy. Oh, no. Guess what? I died. Do you want to respond to that? Okay. I'm alive. I guess you figured that one out. Okay. And the only reaction I ever got was when Wes said to the group, best night ever. And she said, damn. I guess that's what it took to give her a little fomo.

Ronnie (60:34)

West making a comment. I guess that's all she needed. So then west is now hugging Sierra again. It's another 20 minute hug where they're breathing each other. And he's like, I'm really glad we talked. Like, it took literally two years. That's kind of crazy. And she's like, I'm stubborn and you're an idiot. And he's like, you're stubborn and I'm

Ben (60:56)

dumb and you're an idiot.

Ronnie (61:00)

Just hold me. Just hold me on me. So. Jesse, get out of here. See you.

Ben (61:15)

It's the morning. Carl's gonna go on a run. Carl competed in the London Marathon this weekend, which. And so that's. There's actually nothing more to say about that. He did it. And he's. And he. He did it.

Ronnie (61:30)

So good for him. Now I can get word with him in a totally different country.

Ben (61:36)

Yeah, I don't know why I shared that right now, but I feel like I'm. We're peppering in all the summer house gossip since we didn't have a crappy hour this week. It's next week, by the way.

Ronnie (61:45)

It's amazing. I'm. It's. I'm bored with Carl, but it's like six hours ahead.

Ben (61:53)

Now we know why he's aging so fast. He's ahead of us.

Ronnie (61:56)

Oh, poor Carl. So we're so mean to Carl. Literally,

Ben (62:06)

we know the reason why Carl is aging. It's literally Kyle is stealing something from him. Like Kyle is stealing Carl's essence. And now I honestly understand why Carl is Like, why are you not investing in my bar? I've given you, I've given you my youth.

Ronnie (62:17)

I've given you, Taken all of my spinal fluid.

Ben (62:21)

I do actually feel bad sometimes. I feel like Carl is like, I do believe that Carl's a boy. I do believe that Carl's passive aggressive and that he's passive in general. But I also do think that he, he probably is like a sweet guy just trying to figure out his place in life. It's just sometimes very, very frustrating to watch.

Ronnie (62:39)

But I've had so many seasons where Carl's just been a jackass that I just don't trust Carl. That's it. Like, I don't trust his nice guy act. I think that partially he is nice, but we see him doing his manipulative all during this season too. It's just with Kyle, so it's not as frustrating, but he's just a constant manipulator. So he's having a good season. But. But, you know, I just, I still am always giving Kyle because, you know, Pepperidge Farm remembers and that's it.

Ben (63:06)

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

Ronnie (63:09)

Yes. You don't.

Ben (63:10)

Is that a slogan of theirs?

Ronnie (63:12)

Yeah. Like, you may have forgotten, but Pepperidge Farm remembers. Come on. A million times. Never heard it. You know, I'll bring it back and you know, just like, roll that beautiful bean footage. You know, I feel like I single handedly brought that back. I've been saying that for literally two decades on this show and. Or in blobs or whatever. Yes, Pepper, look it up right now. Look it up.

Ben (63:37)

I know it came up right away. I don't remember this from the commercials. I really don't. Which is the irony.

Ronnie (63:44)

Said, roll that beautiful bean footage and then did that. I remember the song so many times. They finally brought it back and they were like, roll that beautiful bean footage. And then they put like hip hop music, like to update it. I was like, I did that. That was one time where I sat in front of the TV and I said, I don't know what I put out into the universe, but I did this. I did this. You're welcome. Beautiful bean footage.

Ben (64:08)

I'm assuming that the Pepperidge Farm remembers commercials from the 80s were like, like, you may have forgotten, you may have moved on in life, but we remember the good old. We remember the true things in life. But when you say Pepperidge Farm remembers, it just sounds like a fucking thread. It's like, yeah, yeah, well, that's what it's. Do whatever you want. Pepper Farms is gonna remember tomorrow. You Sleep with the Milanos.

Ronnie (64:29)

Yeah. Pepperidge Farm never really went away that that saying and also it's an Internet meme and it came from family guy so.

Ben (64:38)

Got it.

Ronnie (64:39)

Like that one's around more but I, I do, I do really take credit for the beautiful bean footage. I really in my delusional mind I

Ben (64:46)

am starving and I've had cookies on the mind all day today. Like no, no joke because the infatuation posted something about cookies in Los Angeles. So I have to ask a very pressing question and Summer House is our most cookie forward show. Thanks Mia. What is your favorite Pepperidge Farm cookie?

Ronnie (65:06)

The only one I eat from there is. That's the Milano, right? Yeah, I ate that one.

Ben (65:11)

One.

Ronnie (65:11)

That's the only one.

Ben (65:12)

Which Milano, which type Classic.

Ronnie (65:14)

It's the one that's like two white ovals with chocolate in the middle.

Ben (65:18)

No, I know but like there's. There's like several different varieties of Milanos. There's chocolate mint, chocolate, orange, double chocolate, etc.

Ronnie (65:23)

Well chocolate mint sounds good but just a chocolate I think just.

Ben (65:28)

I mean Milanos are great.

Ronnie (65:29)

I'm a big, I'm a big cookie maker and not a big cookie buyer.

Ben (65:34)

I'll say I'll accept them in all forms. I will make them, I will consume them. Of course. I love a Milano classic. I actually of the Milanos the chocolate orange is like literally sounds lovely.

Ronnie (65:47)

I made a face earlier but that does sound lovely.

Ben (65:49)

Yeah, I was surprised. Honestly I was a little surprised.

Ronnie (65:51)

I felt like I felt argumentative for no reason. But then you said it again.

Ben (65:57)

But I have to say like low key. I think my favorite Pepperidge Farm cookie is a Geneva Genevas.

Ronnie (66:05)

Hold on, what's a Geneva? I need to.

Ben (66:06)

Genevas are my favorite. They're a shortbread cookie. They are like an oval. Almost like the oval is like it's almost like the shape of, of like a name tag and it's like got dark chocolate on the back with little nuts and it is so good. I love that one so much. The only thing I don't like about it is that I feel weird holding it cuz I feel like when I have my bare fingers on the chocolate

Ronnie (66:29)

it feels chocolate finger.

Ben (66:31)

You have to hold it on, on along along the edges which feels strange. It feels like it's exposed but wow. A Geneva.

Ronnie (66:39)

I've not. I don't think I've ever had a Geneva. I'm looking out. I don't think I've ever had one.

Ben (66:44)

H. Oh I love like literally I love the Geneva and I will also Say, there's one that I think is really good. It's like. It's. It's not like, my favorite. What's it called? It's. It's like a sandwich. It's another one of the sandwich ones, but it's, like, sort of, like, thin and it's thin and crispy. And that one, I'm gonna highlight it because if you. If you break it up and you put it into ice cream, it makes a really great ice cream topping. I discovered this once when I got stoned.

Ronnie (67:12)

But you don't remember what it is.

Ben (67:14)

It's a very famous one. I. I will have to look it up real quickly. Pepperidge Farm. Pepperidge Farm. Guess what? I really am doing a bad job remembering. You are.

Ronnie (67:25)

We're. This whole. This whole thing started with Pepperidge Farm remembers, but Ben doesn't. That's.

Ben (67:30)

I will have to say, I think, like, the whole variety of Pepper Farm chocolate chip cookies, like the Nantuckets and whatever. Those are fine. I don't think that's, like, their strong point. I think their strong point. I like the Milanos, the Genevas. Is it like a Brussels? Is that what it. Oh, oh, it is the Brussels. The Brussels. The Brussels. My hacked, everyone. Brussels are great to eat. Brussels make an amazing ice cream topping because they stay crispy. They are wonderful. Put them in your ice cream, everyone. Thank me later.

Ronnie (67:57)

The Brussels. Okay, well, sounds good to me. Okay. So cookies are always gonna be good people.

Ben (68:05)

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