#3355 Southern Hospitality S4E10: Punta I Can’ta

Summary

Watch What Crappens #3355: Southern Hospitality S4E10 – “Punta I Can’ta”
Episode Date: May 7, 2026
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam

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Episode Overview

In this lively episode, Ben and Ronnie break down Season 4, Episode 10 of Southern Hospitality, titled "Punta I Can’ta", as the cast's Punta Cana trip explodes with drama, awkward friendships, and a smattering of heartfelt moments. The guys riff on cast misunderstandings, mid-trip meltdowns, and complex relationships—delivering all the snark, insight, and affection for Bravo culture listeners expect. This episode is stacked with hilarious one-liners, sharp cultural commentary, and genuinely touching reflections on faith and queerness, proving once again why Bravo’s reality TV inspires such passionate recapping.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Punta Cana Drama: Emmy vs Michaels

• Emotional Fallout (04:14–07:00)
  • Michaels and Emmy’s post-dinner blowup about microaggressions, selfishness, and unresolved hurt is recapped in detail.
  • Michaels escapes to cry in the bathroom, frustrated that Emmy “won’t even hear him” despite being friends. The hosts underline how Emmy reframes the issue to make herself the victim.
  • Quote:
    Ben as Michaels: “You can't help but, like, make these things about yourself 24/7. Emmy's, like, biggest issue is that she's selfish. She's so selfish.” (04:41)
• The Table's Take
  • Emmy tries to convince others she was respectful during the confrontation, even asking if anyone could explain what more she could have done.
  • Ben and Ronnie point out the disconnect between Emmy’s self-perception and everyone else’s view.

2. Plantain Safe Word & “White People Problems”

• Plantain Confusion (08:22–09:29)
  • The group agrees on “plantain” as their safe word to stop drama, prompting hilarity as several cast members admit they don’t know what a plantain is.
  • Ronnie: “It’s a hard banana, people. Geez.”
  • Ben is genuinely shocked at this gap in culinary knowledge.
• Bravo Meta Jokes (09:31–10:42)
  • The hosts riff on how Bravo shows always end up explaining simple concepts and comparing the brunch to scenes on Real Housewives and other franchises.

3. Rumors, Accusations & “Threesome-Gate”

• Molly vs Lake (17:26–22:03)
  • A central chunk of the episode centers around a convoluted rumor that Lake had a threesome with O’Sheen on emo night. Every cast member denies responsibility for the gossip, each throwing the next under the bus.
  • The hosts are both amused and exasperated, with Ben noting: “I don’t know if anyone watching actually cares if Lake had a threesome with Ocean, but they’re really talking about it like this… major rumor.” (19:37)
  • Memorable Moment:
    • Lake, pressed to confess:
      “In 2025, no.” (21:23)
      • The whole table bursts into laughter, and Ben highlights the clever evasiveness.

4. Ziplining, Clubs & Relationship Dilemmas

• Adventure Time (24:06–28:10)
  • The cast’s ziplining and “buffet” hijinks are recounted—full of physical comedy (doors closing on people, Molly harping on Emmy, comments about “veggies”—vaginal wedgies).
• Aspirations & Candy Pitches
  • Joe’s serial attempts at inventing new candy, only to realize (with Ben and Ronnie’s ribbing) all his ideas already exist:
    • “What if we called it an M&M… dedicated to Maddie… wait, that already exists?” (27:32)
    • “But do they talk?” (27:54)

5. Molly & Emmy: The Forced Friendship

• Night in the Sky Dinner (28:57–35:18)
  • The hosts recap the group’s “dinner in the sky” (like a theme-park ride), which creates forced proximity for another uncomfortable Molly-Emmy confrontation.
  • Ben: “I mean, I’m strapped in a chair, and there is nowhere to go.” (33:10)
  • Both women vaguely agree to move forward, with a recurring theme of not knowing why they don’t get along.

6. Club Flirting: TJ & Michaels Emotional Complexity

• Poolside & Club Confession (39:11–50:56)
  • The dynamic between Michaels (younger, newly out) and TJ (older, more cautious) is analyzed. Michaels drunkenly flirts: “I’d be lying if I said I never thought about you. When I was in a relationship.” (39:11)
  • Quote:
    Ben: “We really rarely see two gay men talking on Bravo… This was, like, such a gay conversation. I loved it.” (47:03)
  • The pair hash out issues around relationship readiness, age, and “horror phases” in coming out. TJ voices his hesitancy to date someone so much younger and famous, while Michaels wants something more real but is still searching.

7. Emotional High Point: Michaels Returns to Church

• The Basilica Visit (54:46–60:49)
  • Michaels invites Maddie, Joe, Lake, and TJ to the church where his grandmother worshipped, sharing his conflicted feelings as a gay man raised in a faith that doesn’t accept him.
  • The segment is both poignant and shaded with humor (the mom on FaceTime, confusion about the church’s grandeur).
    • Ronnie: “It was a nice scene in a church. Right after a scene about eating ass on a bus. Perfectly placed.” (60:49)
  • The hosts touch on how religion and coming out intersect, with Michaels feeling more at peace reconnecting with his history, if not with doctrine.
  • Maddie also connects this to her 12-step journey: “the first three steps are about surrendering yourself to the greater power.” (59:20)
• Quote:
  Ben: “He just feels more at peace. He feels like he has come to peace with his relationship with church… It’s a very nice little ending.” (60:32)

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• Ben (on the cast not knowing plantains):
  “I was shocked that they did not know what plantains were, like, I was legitimately shocked.” (09:39)

• Ronnie (re Lake’s evasive answer on hookup rumors):
  “I mean, why would you lie about hooking up with O’Sheen, though? Like, he’s a great guy. Like, look at O’Sheen’s reputation. Awesome.” (21:12)

• Ben (on Molly/Emmy ship):
  “Molly’s like, Emmy confused about causing someone else to feel uncomfortable. Shocking.” (33:05)

• Ronnie (splicing the sacred and profane):
  “It was a nice scene in a church. Right after a scene about eating ass on a bus. Perfectly placed.” (60:49)

• Ben (on Bravo representation):
  “We really rarely see two gay men talking on Bravo… This was, like, such a gay conversation. I loved it.” (47:03)

• Joe’s inventions runner:
  “What about, like, a candy bar that’s, like, sort of captures that feeling of, like, before a show when you’re… snickering… Like, what you call Snickers.” (42:34)
  Ben deadpans: “Joe, no. Try harder, Joe, come on.” (42:49)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 04:14 – Michaels/Emmy confrontation fallout
• 08:22 – “Plantain” safe word confusion
• 17:26 – Molly/Lake/Threesome rumors segment
• 24:06 – Ziplining and cast hijinks
• 27:32 – Joe’s many failed candy ideas
• 33:05 – Molly and Emmy’s forced “friendship talk”
• 39:11 – Club moment, Michaels and TJ flirtation/confusion
• 47:03 – Hosts reflect on Bravo’s gay representation
• 54:46 – Michaels invites friends to his family’s church
• 59:20 – Faith, healing, and final emotional scene in the church
• 60:49 – Ronnie summarizes the tonal whiplash: church and ass talk

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Final Thoughts

Ben and Ronnie do what they do best: mixing sharp live-tweet energy with an affection for reality TV absurdity and real emotional beats. The episode is balanced between roasting cluelessness (“Plantain? Isn’t that a mushroom?”), taking Bravo's meta culture to task, and earnestly spotlighting LGBTQ+ stories and faith. Even amidst the chaos and drinking games, the podcast never loses its empathetic core—or knack for catching the best lines.

Notable for new listeners:
You’ll leave feeling like you know both the Southern Hospitality cast and the psyche of Bravo fans even better, and you’ll laugh out loud at least once per segment.

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[End of summary.]

Transcript

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[Ben]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ben]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ben]

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[Ronnie]

That. Well, hello and welcome to Watch what Happens, a podcast about all the crap we love to talk about on Ye Old Brs. I'm Ronnie. That's Benuni over there. Hello, Ben. How are you, you little darling face?

[Ben]

I'm great, thank you. How are you doing?

[Ronnie]

Good. Better for seeing your little face, that's for sure.

[Ben]

Really?

[Ronnie]

Really.

[Ben]

Thanks. Thanks, everybody.

[Ronnie]

Welcome to the show. It is Southern Hospital day. We'll be doing a cabaret in New York called Forbidden Housewives at Cabaret 42 on June 3 and June 5. We had two shows though sold out. So we added a third show at 9:30pm on June 5. That's a Friday, New York City. Be there or be square. Okay. It's going to be so fun. We're working on the show right now, you know, or it could be a disaster. We don't really know. But we're going to have fun either way. So join us for that. Also, if you want this episode on Vidya, you can get it on Patreon. It's also where you get bonus episodes at Free Listening, a Discord server, and a free weekly blog about all things Bravo. You don't have to really do anything but just go sign up for free for that. And today is Southern Hospitality, Season 4, Episode 10, you can't go to church with us.

[Ben]

Well, we are back in Punta Cana and by the way, there was some discussion mainly from me about, hey, what was the thing that PK said on Beverly Hills? Like, Punta Cana, that's where you go. It was Punta Mita.

[Ronnie]

That's correct. That is actually correct.

[Ben]

So for, for the Mita heads out there, I, you know, I love to correct something. So that's the correction. So we are at dinner. So Michaels is in the bathroom because he had just tried to get through to Emmy and about microaggressions and not feeling heard. And her response was, but he was at my door stalking me about threatening to kill me. So he got. They basically decided to, like, put a pin in it. He's frustrated. He wants to cry because it's like his good friend who won't even hear him. And obviously there's like a lot of stuff wrapped up in this. And he is frustrated, deservedly so, with her. So he's in the bathroom with Maddie and he's crying and he's like, you can't help but, like, make these things about yourself 247 Emmy, like, biggest issue is that you're selfish. She's so selfish. And Emmy is like, she is.

[Ronnie]

She's at the dinner table.

[Ben]

She's at the dinner table.

[Ronnie]

Like, so, like, what are the vibes? Like, what are the vibe post dinner? Are we gonna party or like, what are we doing? We're gonna have fun, right?

[Ben]

Like, what, what's, like, what was your conversation like? Because, like, he's like, mute. So, like, how did that conversation go, Emmy?

[Ronnie]

I, I, I, I, I, I, I don't. I, I, I, I, like, was it

[Ben]

a one sided or was you guys, were you guys able to converse? Like, one sided? Was, were you just talking the old.

[Ronnie]

No, not at all. What are you talking about, one sided? One sided.

[Ben]

Do you feel like you got somewh.

[Ronnie]

We, we did, I think, I mean, I don't know.

[Ben]

So now Michaels is like, I literally said to her, let's just table the conversation because I feel like we're not gonna get anywhere. And then Emmy's like, yeah, I, I just was like, we felt, I just felt like we really pushed forward. It was a very pushing forward conversation. Like, we actually really got somewhere. We got so many places. Like, if this were a AAA triptych, we'd have been like, got to all the places because we did it all. We did it all. We got to so many places. We literally got nowhere. Wow, we accomplished so much. It was great. Guys, guys.

[Ronnie]

I mean, like, guys, I mean it. Like, I could not have been more respectful of Michael's in that situation. Like, could, could I have, could someone maybe explain to me, like, like how I could have been better in that situation? Because, like, I think I was pretty good.

[Ben]

So I think I was very respectful considering that my life was being threatened in that moment.

[Ronnie]

So, so Michael says, like, yeah, my points were not heard because it's like one thing for her to, like, hear or say something, but, like, it's also another thing to, like, understand the thing and, like, listen. She's so selfish. Well, you guys, like, listen, like, you know what? Progress is progress. And like, I'll take whatever progress I can get with Michaels. Put an O at the end of it. I'll eat the soup. Okay, I'm into it.

[Ben]

And Michael's is like, we got nowhere. Like, I, I don't want to be upset. Like, do you do, do you look like I was, do I look like I was crying? And he's like, you look fine. It's like, okay, I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine. So they return to the table. And he. Jay checks on Michaels, and he's like, nas, he's fine. Whatever. And so Molly is like, on that note, I'm gonna go to the bar. Who wants to come? It's me, Molly. I'm. I'm ready to have a scene, everyone. They're like, yay, Molly.

[Ronnie]

So Michaels is saying it's his first time in the doctor in six years, 16 years, and he wants to have a good time and have some drinks and throw some ass and have some ass thrown at him. And Emmy's not gonna take ass being thrown in his face. Damn it. So she's like, yeah, I mean, like, we're partying. This is great. But, you know, I'm just gonna go back to the room. I'm gonna go back to the room and chill. Please, nobody stalk the room. That would be nice.

[Ben]

Okay, there will be a guard at the door, everyone. So Michaels is like, oh, my God. He says in Spanish, I'm tired of that bitter hag. So it's a new day. It's a new morning, and Michaels and TJ go wake everyone in their villa up, and Brad's texting Julia because he misses her because she's not there. And now everyone gets ready to meet up, and Michaels is like, everybody, listen, we're going to go to the buffet, and we're going to eat, and then afterwards, we're going to, like, go to these waterfalls and cenotes, and then they're like, we're going to zip line and do all these, like, funny things, and then we're going to, like, make a safe word for drama today. Okay? Because if anyone makes today about themselves, you're fucking selfish and, like, okay, cool. So what's the. What's Bella is like, hi, I'm Bella. I'm in the cast photo. What's the safe word? Is the safer. Bella, please let it be Bella. No, the safe word is plantain. Plantain is the safe word.

[Ronnie]

That's to try and figure out what a plantain is. Because some really white people. I mean, my gosh, I'm a white person, but I know what a plantain is. Come on. It's a hard banana, people. Geez. So Molly's like, yeah, I don't know what a plantain. Like, what up? What is a plantain? And TJ's like, is it bamboo?

[Ben]

Oh, is it that thing that you get on the bottom of your foot? You got to go see a podiatrist, get it taken off. No, that's a planter wall wart.

[Ronnie]

Is it Like a mushroom. Molly's like, I don't. I don't know. And Joe says, a plantain is a banana, but it's, like, not a banana. It's. But it's in the same family. It's a banana. They're like, wow, Hardly anybody knew that. And he's like, yeah, well, I'm cultured. So

[Ben]

he's been to a supermarket, everyone.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, like a banana. Like, a banana is an emo version of a plantain because it's, like, softer.

[Ben]

I was shocked that they did not know what plantains were like. I was legitimately shocked. So they go to breakfast.

[Ronnie]

And is it a place that Blake Lively gets married at? That's a plantation. Plantation.

[Ben]

Did they. Did they get married at plantation? Yes, I guess. You know, honestly, I really don't pay attention to Blake Lively news. I'm like, not even. I don't really either.

[Ronnie]

I don't even know why. That's just the first plantation reference I could come up with, because I remember

[Ben]

that was not problematic.

[Ronnie]

It's pretty problematic.

[Ben]

Well, I mean, it's problematic, but, like, it could get much worse. So, yeah, I. You know, Blake Lively, I really don't pay attention to any of the news. And honestly, I did not care at all about her issues with Justin Baldoni. And people would constantly be like, so whose side are you on? Blake's or Justin's? I'm like, I'm on the side of, like, doing something else with my time. I literally don't care. And, like, I nearly wept.

[Ronnie]

I'm on the side of better movies. Okay. I'm on the side of our movies. How about that?

[Ben]

I'm on the side of Blair Waldorf, who was always more appealing to me than anything Serena did. Yes, true.

[Ronnie]

I didn't. Yeah, I didn't follow that. That either. And it's still going on, I think, because I.

[Ben]

No, they finished.

[Ronnie]

It suggested stuff. Oh, they finished. Oh, who won?

[Ben]

They. They settled out of court ahead of the trial. They settled, like, two days ago. It was like, they settled. And then Blake Lively went and did the Met Gala as well.

[Ronnie]

There you go. That's why this one does the Jeff Bezos Met Gala. So, yeah. So now they're going to breakfast, and Michaels is like, there's one plate for sweets, so I'm gonna get a healthy stuff.

[Ben]

Other plate.

[Ronnie]

I like this little round just so everyone wants it.

[Ben]

I know.

[Ronnie]

He's like.

[Ben]

I still contend that he looks like Bea Arthur. I'm sorry. Like a hot bearther. That's, like, a high compliment by the way I wish I could look like Bea Arthur. So. But again, hot. The Arthur. So this. So he's gonna have two. Two plates, which is great. And then Blake is. She's emerging from the buffet, and the sliding door just closes slowly on her. It's like an automatic door just closes on her. And I was like, she doesn't know

[Ronnie]

how to open it. I like that. She just, like, puts her fingers up against the door and like, streaks them across and it opens. It actually works.

[Ben]

Michael's talked to that door ahead of time. If you see Lake, like, clothes, clothes right on her.

[Ronnie]

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[Ronnie]

So they're like, should we. She goes, should we cheers? What? What should we cheers about?

[Ben]

Plantain.

[Ronnie]

And so Molly's stressed because she sees. She sees stupid Emmy and she's like. I mean, every time Emmy walks into a room, I just feel like the oxygen is like. I mean, she's bringing down vibes. Okay. I mean, how can you have bad energy in Punta Cana?

[Ben]

Go ask the real housewives of New Jersey because they're the ones who got into a fight there, got kicked out of Punta Cana.

[Ronnie]

Okay. I think they're banned from ever going back.

[Ben]

Yes. Mia's like jail.

[Ronnie]

Didn't they, didn't they.

[Ben]

It was the whole thing.

[Ronnie]

Thrown in jail in Punta Cana.

[Ben]

When does the Statue of Liberty liberations limitations end on that? Because that happened on camera. And I think we are owed that. That footage.

[Ronnie]

Yes. Whenever we see the Thailand footage. Oh, no, not Thailand. The real. The Real housewives girl trip to Morocco. Morocco. Yes, we saw.

[Ben]

Okay, here's a. Here's a message to the hackers of the world. Instead of focusing on leaking things like Wes Wilson's nudes, can we leak things, like footage from this fight or Real Housewives Girls trip Morocco? Like, let's. Yeah, things that we actually want to see.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. Things that would actually give us a boner. Like the Jersey husbands being thrown in jail and Punta Cana. Yeah, thanks.

[Ben]

Exactly. That's what. That's what I want. What was the name of that one hacker group? Anonymous.

[Ronnie]

Anonymous.

[Ben]

Like, focus on that, please.

[Ronnie]

So are we excited for Maddie's gig tomorrow? Everybody, let's clap for Maddie. And they're like, oh, my God. And Molly's like, I want to see speak. Like, obviously, we need to focus on individual relationships, and this trip is a really good time to figure that out. It is too early for this. Okay, well, you know what? The only person I'm awkward with is Lake, and that's her issue, so I'm done. I've done nothing to you. Like, what have I done to you? What have I done to you?

[Ben]

Well, there was just, like, some weird energy at the very beginning of the summer. And then they show the clip of Molly walking by Republic without saying hi to Lake, and she goes. And then, like, fast forward, you know, like, the whole paint and. Poor thing. And, like, I didn't want to work with you, but, like, I had to because love and made me, like, said I had. Had to hire you to be, like, that party planner. And I think I, like, didn't want to do it in the first place because there was, like, no trust. There she goes. Because I didn't say hi to you. Like, get over it. Yeah, but these, like, shade things have put me in a. Have put me in a displacement because there's now, like, these new rumors that I hear that you're coming, like, coming up with, like, you had a call with Michaels asking if I had a threesome with o' Sheen on the night of the emo night, and it's, like, not true.

[Ronnie]

But you did hook up with OC Now.

[Ben]

No. Out of. Get the out of here.

[Ronnie]

No, that's valid, though. That's valid.

[Ben]

No, I went home with one person, and that was Nessa, the girl that I was with. And also o'. Sheen. I mean, no, just Nessa.

[Ronnie]

I heard Molly spreading this rumor from Jordan, and it's like, why not go to me about it? Like, I already hate you. You want me to hate you times two.

[Ben]

So Brad's, like, now. Well, I will say Joe at Saltwater Cowboys was, like, the name of the bars in Charleston are so funny. We were at Saltwater Cowboys, and, like, Maddie and her roommate think that that did. Joe did say that Maddie and her roommates think that it happened.

[Ronnie]

Wait, wait, wait.

[Ben]

What?

[Ronnie]

Brad's like, yeah, you said it. Saltwater Cowboys. You said it. And he's like, no, no, that's not what I said. And we see a flashback to Joe going, guys, I'm not gossiping at all, but my roommates think Oshin had a threesome with Lake and that girl she was hooking up with.

[Ben]

So are you talking about the Saltwater Cowboys in Charleston or the Saltwater Cowboys in Folly? Oh, Folly. Oh, yeah, Folly. Okay, so Joe's like, well, okay, I might have loose lips, but compared to this group, I'm a fucking vault. I keep all my secrets in my hair. Call back, Mean girls.

[Ronnie]

Joe. Joe knows better than to spread an unconfirmed rumor, especially to Bradley Carter. Like, why would you do that? You fucked up, Joe.

[Ben]

Mia chimes in, I actually heard it from someone else very close to Lake in the proximity of her sitting down. And then it just points to Michaels, because apparently Michaels was the one gossiping. I mean, they're all. It's just so funny. Like, no one. Like, I don't know if anyone watching cares if. If Lake had a threesome with Ocean, but they're, like, really talking about it, like this. This major rumor. And they've all talked about it, clearly, because it's coming from all sides. Yeah.

[Ronnie]

And he's just like, don't ask me. Well, yeah, but, like, it's the fact that there was a rumor in the first place. And, like, I know you probably didn't start it, but, like, whether you do a phone call to somebody asking him about it, that's how the rumor grows legs. Okay? But I heard it. So I immediately called Michaels and I said, did this happen? It wasn't me being like, oh, my God, this happened. I was saying, like, did it happen?

[Ben]

It's the same thing in this case, I think. And Michael's like, she literally asked, like, one question, and, like, no was the answer. Like, we moved on. Well, but, like, I wish you would have told me the second my name was mentioned. It's like, I didn't tell her because, like, girl, it's, like, not that deep.

[Ronnie]

I don't have to tell you the second it's mentioned when it's about a threesome. I have to tell you the third it's mentioned. And Brad's like, wait, but okay, but after prom night last year, did you sleep with Oisin? Then it's like, like, no, I did not. And just like, yeah, you have. You did, though.

[Ben]

Yeah, you did.

[Ronnie]

Huh?

[Ben]

You. You hooked up with him for like two straight days is what he said. And Brad goes, thank you. And so, like, just starts laughing because she's just so blatantly caught. And she really, like, she realizes her house of cards of being angry is just, like, falling over. Shut up.

[Ronnie]

Oh, it's like, but why would you lie about hooking up with Oshin, though? Like, he's a great guy. Like, look at Oshin's reputation. Like, he's a great, great guy. Awesome.

[Ben]

Joe, I'm gonna kill you. Stop it. Naughty, naughty, Lake.

[Ronnie]

Naughty, naughty, naughty, naughty. So Maddie's like, oh, my God. They all him, Grace, Lily too. Like, everybody o'. Sheen. And so like, oh, my God, Just stand on it, Lake. And Brad's like, okay, I'm gonna ask you one more time. Have you slept together? And everybody gets really quiet. She goes, in 2025, no. And they all crack up. So then we cut to her in confessional. She's calling her mom. She's like, hey, mom. She goes, oh, how's it going? Well, I had to talk about o', Sheen. Like, I just admitted to it. And she's like, oh, God, babe, sorry.

[Ben]

Oh, Jerry's constant disappointment in her daughter over the phone is, like, so wonderful. I think she is hilarious and great. It's like mom of the year.

[Narrator/Announcer]

So.

[Ronnie]

Okay. But, like, I didn't have a threesome this year and all the other is irrelevant. Okay,

[Ben]

okay. So Molly's like, okay, it's the consensus, the table. I think we just really need to clean slate it and, like, move forward and we need to focus on us. Like, yeah, okay, I'm gonna clean slate it. And, like, I'm willing to move forward. And I'm sorry for being a sometimes. So then she and Molly and Mia just like, like, high five. And they're like, and our storyline is over.

[Ronnie]

So now they're gonna go do shots. And now it's activities for the day. Everyone loads up into the sprinter van. And Lake is like, in. Brad are in the back. And she's like, are we really in the back? What the. And he's like, oh, my God, that's up.

[Ben]

So then Molly's like, for me, Molly stuck sitting right next to Emmy. She's like, for me and Emmy, like, from the very beginning, there's been tension. It's been so awkward. And then we see clips from last year because I totally forgot that last year Emmy was Being a total to Molly at all moments, you know? And she even calls her an insecure at one point. She's like, she's an insecure bitch. So Emmy, like, Molly does not like her. Now she's stuck sitting next to her on this long ass ride. Yeah.

[Ronnie]

So now they go to the skate park, and Mia goes, minimum height, four feet. Sorry, tj, you can't ride this. He's like, that's not funny.

[Ben]

I don't.

[Ronnie]

Great.

[Ben]

I'm not gonna. Y' all say on that. Sorry. It's not really. Please. That wasn't. That wasn't.

[Ronnie]

So Maddie's like, wait, what was the minimum, Joe? 60 pounds. Okay, we're good. We're good. So Bella gets on her helmet and she has an egghead. And so just, like, having fun times.

[Ben]

Zip lines. They're gonna go ziplining. Oh, my God. It's up my Gucci. Oh, my God. And ziplining. And there's a lot of commentary about things going up people's. Or Mia talks about getting a veggie, which is a vaginal wedgie. A lot. Just a lot of crotch issues during this process.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So now Joe and Brad are hanging out in a hammock, and they're talking about the zip line and all that stuff. And Joe's like, see? Like, don't you wish Julie was here to watch you have wacky times? And he's like, no, she would make fun of me. She'd roast me. I wish she was here, though.

[Ben]

She.

[Ronnie]

She's got nursing school, so she's got to do that, you know? And Joe's like, yeah, wow, that's good, though. Like, she's driven and goes, yeah, you know, it's good she does something for herself. Like, I can't imagine being with a partner that doesn't want to do anything. He's like, oh, whoa.

[Ben]

Okay. Wow.

[Ronnie]

Ouch.

[Ben]

Actually, when I said that she's driven, I thought because she's going to school, she's on school bus, right? So she's being driven somewhere. That's, like, pretty cool. I wish I still had school buses. It's like, no, Joe, that's not what you meant. He's like, yeah, well, she's gonna be a good mom. And, like, you know, like, she's gonna be great because she's like. She has that nurse mentality, right? Like, Julia's like, basically, like, nurse and spirit all the time. Yeah, she'll be great. Yeah, she's nurturing. She's like, Comey is like, do you think she'd ever Feed soup to my. Bump it. That'd be nice.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, Like, I'm gonna be a good dad, too, because, like, we're gonna have kids and, like, one day I'm gonna be, like, an awesome dad talker. I'm gonna be, like, on Tick tock as a dad driven.

[Ben]

Who said he had no ambition? Come on, everyone.

[Ronnie]

That's the whole business. If anybody watches Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, dad talk.

[Ben]

It's a thing.

[Ronnie]

We work very hard at it. Okay, that's true.

[Ben]

It's true. So Joe's like, yeah, I, like, definitely want to marry Maddie. It's just like, what do I do first? Like, do I buy a ring? Don't get investors so I can start my company? Do I get a Kit Kat? Like, they are really good. Like, I need a break. I need a kick first.

[Ronnie]

You need to have a reason that she would want to marry you first and then go for the rest. So TJ Comes up and he's like, you know, I just really want you to have your own thing. And, like, I know you do, too, Joe. So you can do it, Joe. And Brad's like, yeah, you know, you've seen me do my thing. TJ does his thing. Like, it's time for you to do your thing. And he's like, yeah, it's called dad Talk. Did I already say that idea? Because it's going to be really good. Does anybody have a kid I could borrow? Because I could just start that right now.

[Ben]

I was kind of thinking of doing something called bump in theater where I could, like, sit behind, like, a bar, and then I put two bump it's on my hands. They could talk to each other like a puppet show. That'd be fun, right? So.

[Ronnie]

So then Brad's like, yeah, you know, I thought Joe would at least start a bar by now or something. I mean, something. God, he's got charm. He's got Riz. I mean, maybe not so much the smarts, but I don't know. Being Maddie's sidekick, dancer, or whatever the he is is not just not as good as doing something for himself. He's like, guys, like, I appreciate you caring. Look, I'm gonna do something all by myself. I can't wait. Hey, you know what I thought of? I thought of a candy. What if it's, like, a stick, but the inside of it's hollow, but it's, like, chewy, and then you could chew off both ends of it and, like, drink a soda through it if you want to, and it tastes like the candy that's Licorice Joe. Oh, all right. Well, you know what? I've got it. I've got, like, another decade. Yeah, I'm gonna.

[Ben]

Wait. What about. Oh, I know. Like, you know what I love? I love chocolate, but I hate when it, like, melts on your hands. So I was like, what if you put, like, a sugar coating around it? And then, like, I'll dedicate it to Maddie and I'll call it, like, an M. Like an M. And I don't know, like, maybe it'll be for Maddie and Emmy because I want them to be friends. So we call it an Eminem. Emma's. Something like that. Joe M and M's exist. Oh, okay.

[Ronnie]

But do they talk? Yes, they already talk, Joe. They already talk.

[Ben]

Okay, well, what if we saw about the chocolate and just put in peanut butter and just dedicated purely to Maddie Reese? We can call it a Joe. It already. Already exists. It already exists. I know my last name. It exists.

[Ronnie]

All right, you know, maybe not candy. Maybe candy's not my thing. I'll keep on it, guys. It's gonna come to me. It's gonna come to me. So they go back to their villas and get ready for the night, and then they're back on the Sprinter. And Michaels is really excited for them to see this place. So they're trying to guess what it is, and someone's like, medieval Times.

[Ben]

I'm laughing at the way you said that. So Michael's like, it's an experience. And Justin, he's like, yeah. Do we have to make alterations to our outfit when we eat? I'm like, no, guys, just wait. It's gonna be hilarious.

[Ronnie]

Are we gonna smell like the place when we leave?

[Ben]

No, that's how ser is. No, no, it's gonna be gone.

[Ronnie]

So they. They show up, and it's this, like, theme park ride kind of thing where you sit at a table and they strap you in and they lift you over the world, and you're, like, hundreds of feet up in the air. I don't know.

[Ben]

They did this on Atlanta when they went to Greece, and they, like, had to eat dangling in the sky, looking at, like, the Acropolis. And they've done it on, like, maybe one other show. They.

[Ronnie]

They.

[Ben]

I think maybe. Or at least they did it on the Amazing Race or something. I don't. I hate this. And not because of being strapped into a chair or dangling. It's because, you know, the food is gonna be garbage. Like, it's not a. Yeah. It's not even, like, a real kitchen. Where. And where do you pee. Do you have to learn.

[Ronnie]

Where does the waiter go? Like, where's the waiter there?

[Ben]

Well, they're all. The waiter's, like, in the middle. Like, does it.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, Like, I don't want that.

[Ben]

There's just no way that food is going to be good because it's already bad enough when you have a proper restaurant that's up high because you know that any restaurant that's on the top of a building is gonna be garbage. Right. Like, especially if it rotates. Like, good luck. Good luck with your food there. But really, a rotating restaurant is never going to be good food because you're. Yeah, yeah. Rotating restaurants are bad because people are there for the view. And so they're just. They're gonna put all their. They're just upcharge prices and they're not. The food is just not going to be good. Maybe the Rainbow Room was good back in the day. I don't know. I don't remember. I went there once as a kid. We went there with my family on Christmas, and my mom put me in a little red vest, which was funny because Christmas was my grandma's birthday. And Andrea Mitchell got. Got on the mic and read the Night Before Christmas. And I was so starstruck. But that's my only time with the rainbow. I. I don't remember. The food was good there.

[Ronnie]

It was the night before Christmas, and all through the house. God, that sounds like hell. Actually.

[Ben]

Andrew Mitchell reading. I was like, she's so elegant. I don't know why I didn't realize I was gay in that moment when I was fanning out over Andrea Mitchell reading the Night Before Christmas at the Rainbow Room.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, that's. That is definitely a gay child. So Michaels is like, okay, well, being the one who's afraid of heights, like, I plan the most ridiculous thing, eating dinner strapped into a chair 150ft in the air. But if I die in the doctor. Oh, God. Oh, well, just bury me here. So, by the way,

[Ben]

this is when you confront Emmy about her microaggressions, because she literally is strapped into her chair and can't go anywhere. This is like the moment you gang up on someone. And I was shocked that they didn't do it.

[Ronnie]

So now the hostess comes over and she's like, okay, everybody, I'm gonna help you get seated. And Brad's like, emmy is on the bottom of the list of people I'd want to see right before I die. And then right below that is probably her fiance. So everybody's like, please don't Let me sit next to Emmy, please.

[Ben]

And they. Yeah, they all get strapped in, and they get hauled up into the air. And Maddie's like, God, give me the strength to accept the things I cannot change. Like Joe. And Michael's like, I have never been strapped down before. I have. Really? Yeah. So their hostess chocolate latte is like, are you guys ready for this? Here we go. And they're like, oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. So then it's fine.

[Ronnie]

They just go up and they're all freaking out and all that. So then they get up there. Molly's like, tj, you have to be honest. You miss me behind the bar. And he's like, well, I miss our friendship behind the bar. They're like, damn. So, yeah, I miss you. And those, like, leather pants. I mean, those are great. She goes, honestly, I feel, like, so insane around you, Emmy, because, like, we have such a weird vibe. She's like, yeah, I, I, I. I honestly, like, I have no idea why. What, like, we do or why, like, why.

[Ben]

Molly's like, emmy confused about causing someone else to feel uncomfortable. Shocking.

[Ronnie]

I mean, I'm strapped in a chair, and there is nowhere to go.

[Ben]

So Amy's being just, like, fake as fuck right now. Emmy's like, never liked Molly ever since back in the day. Ever since back in the day. Oh, my God. Remember all those days ago to last year, back in the day. Back in the day of 2024.

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Ben]

Never. She's never liked her ever, ever, ever. And when Will and Molly used to work together behind the bar, Will used to flirt with her all the time. And I don't think Emmy ever liked that. Like, o. So that's. That's the origin story there. I forgot.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. And Molly's like, but I try to connect with you. She's, you know what? I. I don't think I've ever seen that. I mean, probably. Maybe it went over my head. Maybe you're, like, trying to connect with me.

[Ben]

Whatever.

[Ronnie]

My head, I don't know.

[Ben]

I don't know.

[Ronnie]

And everybody's kind of laughing, and Michael's is eavesdropping, and Molly's like, I mean, there were multiple times I reached out to Michaels, and I was like, hey, why don't the three of us hang out? She goes, yeah. Never laid down to me. So, yeah, I mean, Molly. I would have said yes. I would have been like, molly wants hang out. Yeah, Molly.

[Ben]

Michael's like, well, we got how many meters above the world? And now she's like, delusional all of a sudden. And we see text messages from Molly to Michaels that are like, oh, you and Emmy should go get dinner. Or sometime on Monday. Like, let's get. Let's get dinner together with Emmy. And then Michaels is like, y', all, she's not gonna do that. She's not doing it. Sorry, I tried.

[Ronnie]

So he's like, I mean, I. I think you got the wrong vibe off of me or something because, I don't know, I mean, I thought. And she tells us, I thought she didn't like me. I mean, I didn't not like her. I mean, what?

[Ben]

I was like, ah, girl, be for real. And then we tells us, I'd like to build some kind of friendship. I mean, friendship with Molly, like some kind of respectable acquaintance. That'd be nice, y'. All. No, no, I know Emmy's desperate for friends because hell has fucking frozen over and we've like landed on Uranus and she's on Molly's. Oh my God.

[Ronnie]

Okay. You know, like, I hope we can keep, like, you know, like moving, like towards, like forward or like ahead or like, not back, but like, you know, friendship. Like, I don't know, we can just move places. You, you and you just move, you know, it would be so great.

[Ben]

Hey, guys, just. I don't want to interrupt this, but, like, what about we make like a little burger, but it's made of chocolate. On the inside is mint. And then like, it could be named after like my favorite Snoopy character called Peppermint Patty. Joe, let them talk. Sorry, commercials. Here comes one right now.

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[Ronnie]

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[Ben]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ben]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ben]

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[Ronnie]

And now they go to a club called Coco Bongo and Emmy's like, oh my God, the vibe of this club, like, I feel like, like Joe Bradley on like a Friday night in Charleston. No, not, not aimless. Just like having fun, you know.

[Ben]

Wasn't that a song from the 90s? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Coco Bungo. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Coco Bongo.

[Ronnie]

Oh, there you go. They made it. That song did so well. So Michaels is flirting with TJ in this club and he's like, hey, next time you kiss me, like, you know, kiss me like you don't hate me. And he goes, goes, but I don't hate you. He goes, yeah, you do. And TJ just kind of stares off into the distance and he's like, what? What? I'm flirting with you. Like, what's what? He's like, you're not speaking. I'm just like, I feel like this whole summer you're just like playing it cool, not speaking.

[Ben]

That's TJ. Unfortunately. I don't know if you've noticed. TJ's favorite thing is to purse his lips together and be quiet and look both ways and squint and squint. He's Michael's like, yeah, like, let me put in perspective for you. I'd be lying if I said I never thought about you. When I was in a relationship, he's like, well, what do you want me to say? I. I just really want to be home vacuuming right now. So I'm sorry if I look unhappy.

[Ronnie]

Don't say anything. Just be honest. He's like, well, this summer, you know, like, our friendship has been friends with benefits, with no strings, and now I'm starting to feel like there's actual feelings and. I don't know. I mean, I. I don't know.

[Ben]

Yeah, I. I actually, like. I actually kind of feel weirdly bad for TJ because I think that he's been kind of in this situation a lot. Not in this situation, in a situation a lot where basically he's, like, liked someone, and then they, like, sort of, like, play around with him and then they move on. Or. Or. I think he felt that way with maybe Joe on a certain level. And so I think that he's probably just, like, so guarded about these things. And, like, someone drunk, like, a super hot guy, is now gonna be drunkenly like, oh, by the way, I actually really like you, but I'm only gonna tell you that when I'm, like, really drunk. And I think TJ Is kind of like, I don't want to get hurt again. So I feel like that's what I'm reading on his face. And so I kind of feel bad for. For the guy.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So it's like the I'll you, but I ain't gonna date you kind of a thing.

[Ben]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ronnie]

So then.

[Ben]

Which is funny because Michaels was experiencing that. He talked about how he experiences that and totally different ways where. Not a different way, but, like, he has his own version of that where he gets that as, like, a person of color. Where, like, white guys come and they just want to, like, sort of partake in. Ooh. Like. Like hooking up with a guy who's, like, not white, and then they just, like, leave him. So it's interesting. I feel like it's interesting seeing their kind of what they go through colliding here a little bit.

[Ronnie]

So now it's the next morning, and everybody's getting ready for the day, and Maddie wake up. They're going to go get a massage, and Michael's is with Mia, and she's like, oh, my God, last night was so fun. Michaels, the sky dinner? No, no, this. The sky dinner.

[Ben]

I mean, no one thought that was fun.

[Ronnie]

No. Were you testing us? Like, testing our loyalty? What was that?

[Ben]

Coco Mambo was the fun part. Coco Bongo. By the way, the song is called Coco Jambo. So I wasn't crazy. There was a song called Coco Jambo.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. There you go. Nailed it.

[Ben]

Yeah. Yeah. Great song. Great song.

[Ronnie]

So now Bradley comes in, and he's, like, about to cry. He's like, guys, Juliana just broke up. Just. Oh, my God. I'm not even kidding, you guys. Just kidding. Guys, Julia's here. I didn't know everybody loved Julia this much, but they went crazy for Julia.

[Ben]

And they were so happy for Julia. So happy for Julia.

[Ronnie]

They loved it. So now massage time with Maddie and Joe. So they go get a massage, and then Joe gets in the hot tub in the room, and he's like, yeah, it's, like, relaxing. You should do this. Like, before all your DJ shows, I could come up with, like, new candies that have never been thought of before. Like, you know, we could. We wait for our kids, do something funny. I could put her on tick tock.

[Ben]

What about, like. Well, you know, we could do is, like, we can make, like, a candy bar that's, like, sort of captures that feeling of, like, before a show when you're so, like, nervous and so you're just sort of like, laughing around, like, snickering and, like, just like what you call snickers, you know? So I'm like, joe, no. Try harder, Joe, come on.

[Ronnie]

So obviously, I've been feeling nervous about, like, going back on tour and, like, even playing, like, my set. And, like, I'm just, like, making it up. Like, you know, like, I'm just making it up for, like, when I had to cancel, you know, that my dream international tour starts on Puta Cana, which is now. And then I'm. Then it's Ibiza, Mykonos, all over Europe. So I do this one night, and then more will come. So, you know, it's like, pressure, and, you know, I feel pressure every time I dj,

[Ben]

and I just want to be able to, like, secure my future, you know, Joe, it's like, yeah, like, I want to secure my career and future, like, not only for myself, but, like, you know, for our family that we're going to have. Yeah, I know, like, a family, like, one day is, like, important, but, like, like, we're also, like, really young and, like, you're still figuring out your quote, unquote career. You have a career, right? Do you have a career?

[Ronnie]

Yeah, I do. I'm actually, like, a really popular dad talker. So can we get the kid? Can we get the kid? Let's just move it along. Like, you're holding me back.

[Ben]

Yeah, yeah. Well, like, obviously like, no, I was, like, sick this past year, and, like, I don't know. It's like, yeah, now you're, like, healthy, and, like, I don't want you to be, like, stressed out or anything. You know, it's like. And she's like, yeah, I mean, like, I've got alcoholism, celiac disease, irritable bowel syndrome. Girl. Like, I have, like, a lot of diseases, and, like, a lot of those. Like, the side effect is, like, infertility, by the way. Joe, hate to break it to you. And so she tells a story about how she's had celiac. She's been diagnosed since she's in fifth grade. And, like, a side effect is infertility. But on top of that, in her family, there's fertility issues. Like, her mom had, like, low egg counts, etc, and, like, at one point, her mom was going to donate eggs to her sister, and then it turns out her mom didn't have any eggs left. And that was, like, a really devastating moment. And so she says. Maddie says that she has now gone and gotten blood work to find out what her egg count is. And. But she's also scared. She doesn't really want to, like, look at the results.

[Ronnie]

He's like, but I want to know. She's like, no, no, because, you know, like, it's something I got to do with my mom. But, like, I don't know, like, I'm probably gonna freeze my eggs because, you know, having a family is something I do want. That's awesome. So we're gonna have, like, frozen babies. You know what? I don't think that people on Tick Tock really have that yet. So that's gonna be, like, a new thing for me, you know? Like, here it is. I'm taking my baby outside, so I better put it in a cooler. You know, it's. It's gonna be awesome.

[Ben]

But, like, I did see on, like, egg talk that, like, if you put your eggs in the freezer, they explode. Joe, not those types of eggs. Wait, what other types of eggs are there? I'm confused.

[Ronnie]

So he's like, you don't have to be stressed. I'm gonna be with you no matter what. He's like, and. And don't worry. Like, we're gonna have a. Have a happy baby, because I've got hel.

[Ben]

Yeah, that's. And that's all you need. That's. That's all you need is just a whole bunch of sperm, and then they just make a baby.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, Joe, if that's all it took, half of your Socks would be walking around right now. So now it's time to catch up with TJ and Michaels. So they're just sitting there and teacher's like, are you over there playing with the Jets?

[Ben]

Yeah. What's going on? Nothing. I just. I don't feel that hungover. Yeah, me too. Yeah, it was fun. Yeah, I was so fun. But, like, don't kiss me weird next time. Like, that was weird.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, you were, like, kissing me in the club weird. Well, I mean, like, there's a lot. You know, you have a lot of feelings, and I don't want to hurt you, but, you know, we've been making out and having fun, but I don't want it to, like, affect our friendship or anything. It's like, yeah, but, like, it's not like that for me. Yeah, but you say that. But then when you're drunk, like, you say things like, I'm in love with you, so.

[Ben]

No way. What? Like, no.

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Ben]

No, I did not say that. No, you said it. I didn't. No, I didn't say it. I didn't say it. I didn't say it. Like, I didn't.

[Ronnie]

So he's like, well, then Michael says, in New York, we went to bars and we had a cab make out. A bar make out. And then he was making out with someone else, I was making out with someone else. And we didn't really talk about anything coming home, home. So I just figured it wasn't that big of a deal. And TJ's like, well, when we're drunk, he expresses his feelings to me and how he likes me and wants to. He wants more than what's going on. So. Yeah, so I think Michaels is probably just saying, like, I'm drunk, and that's why I'm expressing myself. But he doesn't want to express himself when he's sober because then he doesn't want to get rejected. You know, it's the old I was drunk.

[Ben]

It's also like, this is actually kind of an amazing scene, I think, because, again, just how they're seen last year in the nail salon, I thought was pretty remarkable. We really rarely see two gay men talking on Bravo. And for. For a network that has such a huge gay following, it's just we don't see these conversations very much. It's usually a gay sidekick or gay best friend or whatever. And this was, like, such a gay conversation. And I. I'd like. I loved it because, you know, they're trying to figure out what they are, but they're also in Two different stages of being out of the closet. And that's, like, a big thing in the gay community, you know, like, when you're, you know, young and new and you just are like a kid in a candy store versus when you're, like, older. And I feel like we're seeing that here. We also sort of what I was talking about before is we see the, like, the. The impact that's been on both of them for being kind of like a plaything for others. And I just think you're seeing all of it here, and it's like a really kind of complicated dynamic that they have, which I thought was great to see on tv. Like, I loved this little scene in the pool.

[Ronnie]

So he's like, well, I don't remember saying the I'm in love with you comment. He's like, well, you did. And then the next morning, he just kept saying, I don't remember anything, and that, you know, I think he felt embarrassed. So I didn't really want to, you know, push the envelope, which, you know, pretend that was used correctly. Let's just.

[Ben]

I don't go.

[Ronnie]

And it was correct. And then at the club, you were like, when I was with Preston, I thought about you all the time. And then we see him saying that in a flashback, and Michael's just like, oh, everything's so blurry and gray. Yeah, I don't really. I don't really remember that. He's like, well, but how do you feel sober? How do you feel now? He goes, well, there's a connection. So TJ Is like, yeah, we're attracted to each other, and we're each other's type, but, you know, you just came out, and if we dated, I feel like you'd realize that you want to, like, explore, and I feel like I'm robbing you from something if we're, like, pushing things further into more than just making out.

[Ben]

And it's also kind of his way of, like, you're in your. You're in your horror phase right now. Like, make your way through that first, and then you can come talk to me.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. And he's saying, you know, I complain that there's no guys in Charleston, but I don't want to date someone 10 years younger than me. I want to be with someone forever. And the next relationship, I want to be the relationship. And I don't think that that's the case for him. So that's sad. But also, yeah, 22 is really young.

[Ben]

He's young. Honestly, 22 is young. He's like, he's not, like, super fresh out of the closet, but he's, like, newly fresh to being famous and out of the closet. And he even said at the top of the season, he's like, yeah, I'm. I'm banging whoever I want to bang. So I think TJ is like, yeah, this is. TJ doesn't want to get hurt, I don't think. And I think he's afraid that he will get hurt. But Michaels, I think, is also looking for something more real and tangible. But, you know, at the same time, he also wants to have fun, so it's awesome.

[Ronnie]

Michaels has a point, too, because he's like, well, when things get too hot for you, like, my age or maturity is an issue, but then when we're just alone, it's not the case, so.

[Ben]

Right.

[Ronnie]

Like, what the hell?

[Ben]

Yeah, that's not fair to me. Like, you can't just like. Like, like say these things and then be, like, selectively apply them to me for why it's an issue.

[Ronnie]

I mean, in a way, it sounds like the perfect gay relationship, really. Like, you guys like each other. You're kind of best friends, and then you go out, and then other people sometimes kind of together in a way, or at least, yeah, play together. I mean, they're assumed that's. That's an option. You know, there's a lot of options.

[Ben]

That is true. You guys could. So you guys do have that option, but either way.

[Ronnie]

But it's also a lot of pressure to put on yourself to be like, my next relationship is the one that's going to be the one. So I don't know. I think both of them just don't want to get hurt by the other, I think.

[Ben]

So they don't want to get hurt, but they're also sort of in different spaces, but they're also attracted to each other. But then it's also like, oh, if this does go sour, then we're on this TV show and we're stuck together, and it's gonna just get really annoying. And I think that, like, TJ has, like, a lot of baggage that he carries, and so. And I think Michaels is looking to. I think Michaels is really looking for love earnestly. And they both are really lonely, I think, and they both want someone, but they. They just have different things going on in their lives. I don't know. We'll see how it goes. Okay, so then we go to Michael's. Going to Joe and Maddie's door, and he's like, it's the police. Let me in.

[Ronnie]

You just see Emmy running by screaming,

[Ben]

thank you for coming.

[Ronnie]

Finally. I've been calling you for 10 hours.

[Ben]

The suspect is short, long blonde hair, female.

[Ronnie]

Huh.

[Ben]

She's in here. We just got back from the spa. That was, like, really funny, Michael. It's like, you're, like, really funny. Have you ever thought about doing, like, a dad talk? Let's do, like, some collabs.

[Ronnie]

Hey, I wanted to invite you guys to come to the church with me. It's like, church that my grandma went to, and, like, I really would love to share it with you. So I'm gonna invite Lake and TJ Too, but not Emmy. She's a. They don't allow in church, so. And she was like, oh, my God. That would be an honor. Like, I thought at first, I thought you were gonna laugh, like, and ask us to go to confession or something, but, like, this is way more wholesome. This is great. Did you know somebody already came up with peppermint patties?

[Ben]

I kind of wish it was just the three of us, because I was thinking, like, wouldn't be funny for just, like, the three musketeers has. We should do, like, a candy bar and call that Joe.

[Ronnie]

Sounds delicious. Sounds delicious. So now the rest of the gang are talking about how Molly still has her wristband band on from last night. Awkward. And now Lake, Michaels, Maddie, Joe, TJ all get into a sprinter, and the rest of the crew is going to the beach. So Mia's like, yeah, like, I'm busting up in the champagne right now. And then Julie and Brad pull up, and everyone's super excited to see Julia because that's just how it is with Julia. I was like, oh, my God, Julia. But Emmy doesn't react at all.

[Ben]

This cast is so big that, like, Julia gets a whole other second giant group of people screaming that she's surprised again. They love it.

[Ronnie]

They love Julia.

[Ben]

Just like.

[Ronnie]

So I'm like, okay,

[Ben]

all right.

[Ronnie]

What are you gonna say?

[Ben]

All right, Nothing.

[Ronnie]

I'm pausing. I'm pausing in mid, Emmy face for you to finish.

[Ben]

I was just gonna make a comment. Let me make a joke. And they're gonna go to another restaurant. There'll be 20 more people from the show who like, oh, my God, Julia's here. Anyway, back to Emmy.

[Ronnie]

Glad you got that out. My head's about to pop off. It's about to pop off. Yeah. I'm, like, tanning in the tanning salon. Like, I do not care about her presence. Like, she had this, like, little moment of bitching me out. So, like, last Thing she said to me was, don't look at me. So guess what? I'm not gonna look at you, okay? What? Where is she? Is somebody there? I don't even see her. What was everybody screaming at? Julia Roberts is here because that's the only Julie I know. Like, I. I don't even care. I don't even care.

[Ben]

So they're like. Bella's like, oh, my God. So everyone knew? Who knew? And. And Julie's like, oh, my God. Brad told him that we broke up. And then I busted door, and I was like, surprise. And Bella's like, oh, my God. Did he, like, play the off that so good. Feels just great to have camera time, I have to say. And Justin goes, yeah, he did. He did such a good job. And Emmy's like, yeah, I mean, she's good at lying. Call her for any one of your surprise parties, because she can lie the out of it.

[Ronnie]

So now in the sprinter van, they're like, thanks for inviting us to church, Michaels. She's like, yeah, I feel like when you get older, it's like. Like, you get really into your own spirituality and, like, your perception of, like, what a God or, like, a higher power is.

[Ben]

Yeah. You really do. Yeah, I totally do. I totally. I'm putting that on dad Talk. And now back at the beach, Bella's like, it's so weird with everyone else not here. I mean, it just. Doesn't it feel like when. When it's only 16 of us, it just feels almost empty here.

[Ronnie]

So, like, I wonder how they're doing. And Emmy says, not being invited to the church. I mean, like, it seems like to purposely hurt me. Like, ouch. Like, what the. What? You're taking TJ to a church? Like, I mean, you see each other's weenies once, and now you're gonna bring him to the church that your grandmother, like, went to? I mean, come on. God.

[Ben]

Yeah. I love. I love Emmy getting so mad about the church thing. So now they're on the other in the bus to the church. Lake is out asking. Lake is asking Maddie when she's going to be DJing and everything. And then Joe is like, yeah, about Maddie. Like, a socks at O Sheen doesn't get in until, like, right after your set tonight, though. And Link's like, huh? I'm just kidding. It's just. Sorry. Preview to dad Talk. I'm gonna have a lot of content like that. A lot of pranks.

[Ronnie]

Oh. So we see a flashback to Joe on FaceTime with OIN, and he's like, yeah, Bro, people are just, like, now finding out about you and Lake hooking up, like, a year ago. He's like, oh, bro, I definitely took that deep dive into. Into the lake, brother. Yeah. Nailed it,

[Ben]

Michael. Back to present. Michael's is like, oh, my God. Like, you're not beating the allegations. Lake's like, oh, God, I'm going to beat it. Like, I'm never gonna claim it. Never, ever. Yeah. It's like, yeah, well, guess what? It didn't work so well with me and Luanne, I'll tell you that much. And they're like, yes. Yeah.

[Ronnie]

But, like, new. Luan's like, iconic, okay? Oh, she's not iconic. Like, Luanne's like a milk baddie.

[Ben]

They just show a clip of Oisin pouring milk on himself. Like, yeah, not iconic.

[Ronnie]

Not iconic.

[Ben]

So, and then Michael's mom calls, and Michael's telling her that he's on the way to the basilica. And he's like, can I FaceTime you when I get there? And she's like, no, because, of course, this mom is like this. And so. And everyone, like, he's on the phone trying to talk to her. And then meanwhile, in the background, everyone's like, oh, my God, I love dipping in that lake. Oh, yeah, I drove in that leg. It was very complimentary. Oh, my God. Like, did you guys have sex? Like, we didn't have sex. Do you go down on him? No. Did you blow him? Did you put his penis into his mouth? Michaels was like, guys, stop. I'm on the phone with my mom.

[Ronnie]

She just hangs up. He's like, oh, my God, you guys. I was on the phone with my mom, and you're talking about eating ass. Like, if my mom heard you guys talk about eating ass in the background, I'm gonna want to die. He'll start crying, cracking up.

[Ben]

So they. They're driving into the city, and then they. They arrive at the church. And I was sort of amused because the way Michael's talked about it, I was imagining this, like, cute little church in the countryside surrounded by trees, up a path. It's like the. The church in. I imagine, like, in, like, the White Lotus in the second season, when they, like, go to, like, this house off in the. Off in Sicily, or. It's like, I just was imagining this remote place with, like, you know, we're Italians.

[Ronnie]

Get the off of our land. They come out.

[Ben]

So I was just imagining. I had this idea, this romanticized, tiny, little special church, and it was like this enormous, like, landmark church that like. Like, probably a lot of people in the city go to. And it doesn't take away from the fact that this is where his grandma went to. But I was like, oh, like, this is like a landmark. It's like, for some reason, it's like.

[Ronnie]

Like they actually have tour guides at this church.

[Ben]

Like, yeah, it's like. It's a big. It's like a big turn. It's like, I'm gonna take you to this little hidden.

[Ronnie]

I don't know.

[Ben]

It doesn't take away anything from the story. It just. Like, I just was laughing at how I had created an entire narrative in my head, and it's just like this big, super public space. I don't know why. It was amusing to me.

[Ronnie]

It was a gorgeous church. My God.

[Ben]

Oh, my God.

[Ronnie]

Some of the architecture and churches is crazy. They're really. I mean, this was beautiful. Yeah, this was a beautiful church. So they go in and they check it out, and he talks about growing up in the church and how, you know, you're taught that being gay is a sin and all that. And so he feels like he's not necessarily welcomed, which, you know, is true, which is why I. I ain't going there. And also, you know, another reason is because they're always asking for goddamn money. I mean, my God, you can't walk into the place without them asking you for money. Geez, you didn't even give me a full glass of wine. You gave me a sip. Okay. And don't add the service on here, either. You.

[Ben]

TJ Is also talking about how church has not really been a big part of his life because he doesn't agree with the. What, you know, what the church. What the Bible says about being gay. So. But he's there to support Michaels and everything. And they're looking at, like, flowers and vases, and they're looking at, like, all. They're just walking around the church, like, learning stuff from the tour guide and stuff. And. But Michael's is, like, really reconnecting to everything. And Maddie's also connecting because she's talking about how in the 12 steps, like, the first three steps are about surrounding. Surrendering yourself to the greater power. So we're all having, like, a very emotional moment, connecting. And Michael's is, like, crying on a pew. And he's saying how he, like, abandoned his religion because of everything, the gayness and all that.

[Ronnie]

And.

[Ben]

But, like, now, like, he's like. He's now feeling sorry for not coming to church anymore because he now kind of wants to come back to church.

[Ronnie]

Well, I've fun with that. So it's a nice scene. It's a very pretty church. So he sits there and kind of cries and thinks about his family and stuff. And also it's, you know, has so much to do with his past, you know, just thinking about it.

[Ben]

Of course.

[Ronnie]

So he is.

[Ben]

Yeah. By the way, he wants to come back to church. It's more like he just feels more at peace. He feels like he has, like, got come to peace with his relationship with church and. Yeah, it's just sort of like an emotional. It's an emotional ending as he reconnects with his faith and everything. It's a very nice little ending.

[Ronnie]

It was a nice. It was a nice scene in a church. Right after a scene about eating ass.

[Ben]

Yes.

[Ronnie]

On a bus.

[Ben]

Perfectly placed. Perfectly placed.

[Ronnie]

Very bravo. All right, everybody, thanks so much for being with us. We will see you next time.

[Ben]

Bye. Bye.

[Ronnie]

Bye.

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