#3377 The Valley S3E08 Part Two: What a Drag

Summary

Watch What Crappens: The Valley S3E08 Part Two “What a Drag”

Podcast #3377 | May 21, 2026
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam

Episode Overview

This episode is the second part of the hosts’ deep dive recap and razor-sharp commentary on “The Valley” Season 3, Episode 8. Ben and Ronnie dissect the fallout from a dramatic trip, focusing mostly on Danny and Nia’s rocky relationship, the group’s response to Danny’s behavior, and interpersonal reckonings—especially between Janet and Nia. The episode keeps its signature blend of comedic mockery, pop-culture references, and unfiltered empathy for reality TV’s messiest moments.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Danny and Nia: Alcohol, Excuses, and Group Frustration

• Danny’s Drinking & Group Dynamics:

  • The episode picks up with the aftermath of Danny’s drunken antics and Nia’s pattern of sheltering him from criticism.
  • The hosts debate the ethics and efficacy of handling issues “behind closed doors” versus the necessity of transparency on reality TV.
  • Danny: “If you want to handle something behind closed doors, by all means, do it. But I hate having to pretend... I don’t want to have to co-sign it.” (04:08)
  • The hosts and on-screen cast express frustration at having to make excuses and cover for Danny’s recurrent bad behavior.

• Victim Dynamics & Emotional Abuse:

  • Janet: “It’s an abuse dynamic, and it’s extremely uncomfortable to watch… you’re constantly having to massage this ego because you don’t want this person to explode.” (06:08)
  • The hosts note how Nia minimizes Danny’s actions by mutualizing blame and apologizing for his outbursts.

• Alcohol as a Scapegoat:

  • Danny tries to chalk up bad actions to drinking, but the hosts and cast reject that as insufficient.
  • Janet: “It’s not just when he’s drunk… sometimes people blame Gray Goose when it’s their shitty personality.” (07:55)

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2. Apologies, Deflections & Group Confrontations

• Danny’s Patterned Apologies:

  • Danny issues repeated, rote apologies, which the hosts (and Lala) call out as performative.
  • Janet: “If I hadn’t seen his talking heads… he’s not really sorry. He doesn’t take any [accountability]. He’s just a B-level actor.” (17:27)

• Lala’s Attempted Intervention:

  • Lala tries to raise concerns about Danny’s drinking.
  • Janet: “She’s telling him he has an issue. Let’s be honest. And you're right, by the way.” (18:20)
  • Danny responds with defensiveness, insisting the issue is private and not Lala’s business.

• Janet and Nia’s Heart-to-Heart:

  • Janet makes a genuine-seeming apology to Nia, but Nia receives it with skepticism.
  • Janet: “Credit where it’s due. I think it was a very good apology… but Nia staked all of this on her religion and her faith and then can’t even take a genuine apology when it’s offered to her.” (22:06)
  • Nia feels Janet never saw the good in her; Janet counters that repeated behavior—not one-off mistakes—damaged trust.
  • Both women remain at an impasse: Nia is stone-cold, and Janet feels she’s done all she can.

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3. Abuse, Religion & Complex Female Dynamics

• Nia’s Situation as Emotional Abuse:

  • Janet: “She’s in a situation that’s so emotionally abusive, which this frankly now looks completely like that to me.” (28:10)
  • The hosts explore how religious and social conditioning, economic dependence, and motherhood complicate Nia’s choices.

• The Group’s Varying Thresholds:

  • Lala and Brittney discuss the different thresholds women have for chaos and mistreatment in relationships.
  • Janet: “Everyone has different thresholds. Nia’s not at her rock bottom yet.” (13:07)

• Comparisons to Brittany & Jax:

  • Brittany draws parallels to her own protective behaviors in her relationship with Jax and expresses frustration that Nia hasn’t faced the same scrutiny.
  • Danny: “It’s a common thing with reality stars… ‘I had to deal with it, now you should.’” (42:29)

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4. The Alliance: Excuses and Enabling

• Kristen’s Blind Loyalty:
  • Kristen defends Danny and Nia, claiming just because issues aren’t aired publicly doesn’t mean the couple doesn’t deal privately.
  • Hosts call out Kristen’s willful ignorance.
  • Janet: “This isn’t even a friendship. This is an alliance. Kristen is intentionally turning a blind eye.” (44:16)

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5. Light Interludes & Notable Scenes

• Jason’s Basketball Injury:

  • A brief break from tension as Jason injures his knee playing basketball, leading to some physical comedy and Bravo-con references. (33:11–34:27)

• Lunch at Madre with Brittany, Kristen, Zach, and Lala:

  • The group dishes about Jax’s alleged sobriety and his absenteeism as a co-parent.
  • Brittany is relieved to have the “dark cloud” of Jax gone but laments patterns repeating with other couples. (35:26–38:11)

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• On fakery:

  • Danny: “What’s hard is the sense of fakery that comes from this… they have real issues… but what I don’t like is that they’re immune from criticism.” (02:38)

• On religious justification:

  • Janet: “It’s silly that Nia stakes all of this on her religion and faith and can’t take a genuine apology when it’s offered.” (22:06)

• On emotional abuse and support:

  • Janet: “If someone like Nia comes to me and tells me things are going on… and she needs help, of course I would be there, first of all, packing up her shit and trying to support her in any way that I could.” (04:56)

• On Bravo world comedy:

  • Danny, about Danny getting kicked out of Jax’s: “He grabbed Jasmine’s butt. He got kicked out of Jax’s twice. Do you know how bad you have to be to get kicked out of Jax’s? …It’s like the Mar-a-Lago of Ventura Boulevard.” (08:21)

• On patterns in toxic relationships:

  • Janet: “You open a window and you push them out of it.” (11:08)
  • Kristen: “I really try to model my relationship with Luke on [Danny & Nia]… Well, it seems to be working. Cuz you’re both miserable.” (38:55)

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Key Segment Timestamps

• [02:22–05:32]—Discussion on private vs. public handling of drama
• [06:08–08:48]—Dissection of abuse dynamics between Danny and Nia
• [13:07–13:50]—On group interventions and timing of support
• [16:27–18:20]—Janet and Danny’s “apology Olympics”
• [22:06–26:24]—Janet’s apology to Nia and Nia’s cold response
• [28:10–30:00]—The role religion and gender expectations play in Nia’s decisions
• [33:11–34:31]—Jason’s basketball injury comic relief
• [35:26–44:50]—Lunch at Madre: digging into toxic relationship cycles and calling out patterns
• [44:16–45:03]—Kristen’s enabling alliance with Danny and Nia
• [46:19–46:48]—Hosts reflect on the dark, complex feelings the episode stirs

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Tone & Highlights

• Tone:

  • Unapologetically blunt, snarky, but empathetic; alternates between comedic relief and genuine concern.
  • Speakers honor how personal experience can shape reactions while also reveling in Bravo’s unique brand of trainwreck TV.

• Memorable Moments:

  • Comparisons of Danny’s drunkenness to past Bravo disaster men (Jax, etc.)
  • Hosts’ debates over the limits of group responsibility and the SISYPHEAN nature of apologizing within this friend group.
  • Underlying message: Patterns of emotional abuse and complicity repeat—even in the most “open” groups.

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Conclusion

This episode unpacks heavy, real-world dynamics like emotional abuse and group complicity, all filtered through the absurd yet cathartic lens of Bravo reality TV. Ben and Ronnie mix sharp humor with hard truths, calling out performative apologies, religious justifications, and enabling alliances as they pine for the “Peak” to return to their “Valley.” Listeners walk away with a nuanced breakdown of the episode’s events, a fresh appraisal of each character’s role in the dysfunction, and plenty of quotable one-liners to use at their next Bravo-themed watch party.

Transcript

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[Danny]

Watch what happens. Who cares what happens when there's so much that happens?

[Janet]

Well, hello and welcome to Watch what Croppens. This is part two of a two part recap. If you're like, hey, wait a minute, I didn't hear part one, guys. It's because we put out a lot of recaps. Go back and listen to part one. Okay, it's before this one. Bye. Enjoy the show.

[Danny]

So then Danny's. They're walking outside to the other house and Danny's like, you got your mic on? Yeah, so take it off. Mine's off.

[Nia]

He's like, I hear you.

[Danny]

There's cameras following us.

[Nia]

She's like, okay, then stop talking.

[Danny]

Take the Mac off.

[Nia]

Stop talking.

[Danny]

So I think what's, I think what's frustrating about this is that, like, it's sort of going back to what you were saying about handling things privately. Yeah, like, you know, you. It's. I think it's good to handle things privately. You handle. Handle behind closed doors. You don't make a scene. I think that's, that's good. But what's hard is the sense of fakery that comes as a result of this situation. Like, oh, every. Like, they're just great and they're fine and dandy, but they have real issues. And that's fine too. Like, that's totally Fine. But what I don't like is that, like, they're immune from criticism. Like, how could. How could anyone say anything bad about them? It's like, no, because, like, they are. They should be subject to criticism because they have going on, and they're acting in ways that's like, you know, affecting other people. And. And I'm happy to see that this veil or this. This. This cloak of immunity that they've had is now coming down because it's. It's not fair for those, I think, that are being lambasted for daring to say anything against them.

[Janet]

Yeah, well, I'm not. I want to just make it clear that I'm not saying I believe everything should be handled behind closed doors. I'm speaking specifically of that trip where Danny was wasted and went to bed. To me, that was a good move. I don't want your drunk husband here acting like an idiot, you know? So if someone's husband is drunk and acting like an idiot, I would rather he be put to bed, frankly. You know, I'm just talking about that specifically, but I don't think, especially if you're on a reality show, that you're above questioning by anybody. Yeah.

[Danny]

As I drill. As I drill down into it. You know what I hate is, like, having to pretend like. Like, if. If you have. If you want to handle something behind closed doors, by all means, do it. But I hate having to pretend like. Like. Like I don't want to be part of whatever the situation is. So even going back to that last year of Santa Barbara, it's like, oh, Daniel's just taking a nap. I don't want to be like, oh, yeah, he's just tired. You need to take a nap. It's like, no, he got wasted because he's, like, in his late 30s and still doesn't know how to drink. And, like, and we. And I have to just be like, oh, yeah, he was tired. He had taken that. Like, I don't want to have to co sign this. If you want to cover, it's fine, but, like, I don't want to have to co sign it. And I think that's where I get, like, frustrated with. With couples like Danny and Nia, you know?

[Janet]

Yeah, I just get frustrated in general with people like that. I just don't want to be around it. Like, if you're willing to put up with that from somebody, that's up to you, and that's, like, some deep issues. And if you need any help with that, I'll always be there to help. Like, if someone like Nia comes to me and tells me things are going on with Daniel or whatever and she needs help, of course I would be there, first of all, packing up her shit and trying to support her in any way that I could. But I'm not going to subject myself to being around a couple like that. That's nuts.

[Danny]

Yeah. You know, so now it's the next morning, and everything's gonna be fine now, guys. So Danny and Nia are outside, and

[Nia]

Neil's like, it's a new day. And I just want to start the new day by making sure it's brought up so that it's not something that we carry with us. But last night, I feel really bad that I brought things up in a time that I would never normally bring things up. And we both had something. Something to drink, and, like, we're not super on the same page. And I just was kind of feeling hurt yesterday, and it was not fun for me. And I wanted to have a good time, and I wanted to be, like, laughing and giggling and, like, silly.

[Danny]

And I'm like, why are you apologizing? You didn't bring anything up at the wrong time at all. You brought him outside privately and said, hey, like, could you please stop acting like this?

[Janet]

You're making me feel bad works. It's an abuse dynamic, and it's extremely uncomfortable to watch, you know, and anybody who's ever been in the situation or around this situation knows this pattern very well. You know, the person who's in the victim position is making excuses, and it's not like, you did this and you need to apologize. It's. We both did it, and I. You know, we were both drinking and we both said things we didn't. It's. No, you weren't both. It was him. But you're constantly having to massage this ego because you don't want this person to explode and do whatever they're going to do to you, you know, and it's horrible. It's so uncomfortable to watch, you know, it's awful to watch it. And Danny's like, well, I definitely took the competition to the next level and I wasn't talking to you in the right way, and I'm embarrass and I'm so sorry. I apologize again. You know, he's a good apologizer. Because that's what you do. It's like I always said with Jax, like, graded apologies, because you're so practiced, you have to do it every second of the day. And none of them. Yeah, because you're Just gonna do it again.

[Danny]

Yeah. So Danny's like, obviously, alcohol takes away your inhibitions a little bit. And if I had one too many, my fuse can be shorter and I can be snappy, and I just took it too far. And so it's like. It's frustrating. It's. Or as Lisa Barlow would say, it's frustrating that I guess. I don't know. I'm trying to articulate how I feel about this, which is that he's, like, a terrible drunk. It's a terrible drunk. And then he's acting like, I'm not a terrible drunk. It's just that, like, I have a lot on my plate. And yet every single time he has to explain himself to the audience, like, well, you know, when you drink a little bit, your inhibitions go away. And, you know, I guess I could

[Nia]

be a little snappy.

[Danny]

It's like, you're a bad drunk and you should stop drinking. How about that?

[Janet]

Yeah, well, that's true. But also, it's that it's not like we pointed out earlier, it's not just when he's drunk. He was doing this, not drunk the entire trip. So I think sometimes people blame Gray Goose when it's their shitty personality, you know, the. The alcohol, what's already there, you know?

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Janet]

Yeah, sorry. People like to say it turns me into a whole different person. No, it just enhances the shit person you already are. It's a mic.

[Danny]

Exactly. And I think there's a difference between calling someone a bad drunk and saying you're an alcoholic. Because I don't know if Danny's an alcoholic, but what I do, what I do observe, is that he's a shitty drunk and he does shitty things when he's drunk. I think that, like, he grabbed Jasmine's butt. He got kicked out of Jax's twice. Do you know how bad you have to be to get. Get kicked out of Jax's? Of all place, it's like the Mar a Lago of Ventura Boulevard.

[Janet]

The sign was made out of coke straws.

[Danny]

Yeah. And, you know, and he's mouthing off Tania, and it's like, it's this, it's that. It's so many things, and it's like, you're a shitty drunk, and, like, you show up to a trip. Yes, I will go back once again. You show up to a trip, and then you have to, like, chug down beers to catch up. Like, what are you, 21? You don't have to catch up. Like, that's so crazy. I mean, like, just like, you're just like shitty at this. And then like, we all have to pretend like, oh, but they're, but they're great. They're great. He was just tired. It's fine. He's just, you know, he's. He's stressed, he's working. It's like everyone gets sucked into having to make excuses for someone who then gets drunk makes everyone else uncomfortable. So in this case, the village is being terrorized by the village drunk. And it's just like, not cool. The village drunk is going around throwing things in people's windows. And like, I feel like I'm in the village right now. Even though I'm not part of the situation. I feel like by watching it and observing it and commenting on it, I feel like I'm part of it and I've had enough.

[Janet]

Well, that's. It makes sense. It's rightfully so. So Lala is telling Michelle. She's like, he was out of it last night. That he was off his rocker. And Michelle's like, yeah, he needs to ragged his, you know, personal's base. And I've never felt uncomfortable or anything because he was wearing heels last night. But I was like, oh, I'm dollar than you. Like, kind of like a joke. And he was like, no, you're not. No, you're not. And then just get like getting too close to me to like prove that he was not, you know, do jord. And that is fine. But I can see another girl being like, okay, personal bays.

[Danny]

Yeah, I sure. By the way, just a. One thing I've learned in life is just never comment on people's height to people's faces. If you see a tall girl and be like, wow, you're so tall. Don't say that to her. If you see someone who's short, be like, wow, I'm taller than you. Don't say that to them. Just don't mention people's height. It is a very touchy subject. I'm not taking it for Danny, but like, Michelle being like, wow, I went up to somebody and said, I'm taller than you. And they got mad at me. I'm like, michelle, this is.

[Janet]

Maybe I'm still taller than you even in heels. Short man. Men love being called short.

[Danny]

I'm like, I. I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna defend Danny getting into your personal space, but this is just not the best example of Danny's ills here.

[Janet]

It's like, I do not understand why he got mad so weird. And she's saying, you know, We've all seen Danny drink too much. And she. She's like, I have a higher threshold than most women because let's face it, I was married to Jesse, so I know how to act with. I know how to deal with men when they're acting like boys. You open a window and you push them out of it.

[Danny]

I just like, at this point, she's like, yeah, you know, Jesse is terrible, but I know no one really cares anymore about how terrible he is. We'll just accept it and move on and focus on Danny. So Lala's like, each woman has a different boundary, right? Yes, exactly. It's like, but when alcohol starts flowing and you don't know how to read someone's energies, it just makes me nervous. And Jack goes, well, this is tough. Just honestly, even hearing and seeing again, because I feel like they would rather remove people from their lives who say things. And I would just like to say something to her, but I don't even know. This is a lot right now.

[Janet]

And Lala's like, well, maybe today because of last night, she may be a little bit softer and open to it. No, I don't think this is.

[Danny]

Why would Nia be softer now?

[Janet]

It's bad advice. You're still not the right messenger. Your message is not wrong, Janet, but you're. You're just not the right messenger for that.

[Danny]

I think it's the worst time to, to talk to Nia because I think Lala's thinking Nia is so fed up with. With Dany that she probably will appreciate someone coming in peace to her. But I think actually what is more likely to happen is now all the things that Dan has put onto her, she can finally, quote, unquote, unleash onto someone else. Not that Nia really unleashes, but Janet is a safe space for Nia to be a bit more curt and cold to, as opposed to Dany. So, like, she'll. She'll. She'll just sort of, I think, transfer the, the energy over to Janet. So it's really not a good time for her to do it.

[Janet]

Well, Lala is also assuming that because she's fed up that Nia's gonna be fed up. So she's like, well, after last night, must be completely fed up. So let's go help her be like, okay, well, your relationship is at rock bottom, so where do we go from here? You know, she's like, ready to come at it from that angle. But everyone, like she just says, has different thresholds. And Nia's not at her rock bottom yet she's not coming to it like, oh, my God, my husband's a huge up. How do we fix this? She's coming to it, like, you know, okay, I'm still standing behind this guy. Like, how am I going to stand behind him today? You know? Yikes. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Grappens commercial.

[Danny]

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[Janet]

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[Danny]

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[Janet]

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[Danny]

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[Danny]

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[Nia]

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[Janet]

Yeah. So Janet goes out and she's like, I don't know that I can really have an honest conversation with her about what happened last year. Because it's clear that even though this thing with Danny hurt her, she's still very defensive of him. And I just want to get this apology off my chest. Not just to make besties with Nia because that's never going to happen, but I just want her to know she. That I'm empathetic to her situation. So she's going to go have this. Yeah. What sounds great. Go wrong.

[Danny]

Yeah, great plan. Yeah. Meanwhile, Danny talks to Lala and he's like, hey show, I want to check back in about last night. I talked to Nia and obviously this morning I just want to apologize and I just felt really stupid, you know, I should never have talked to her. How I was talking, the tone was all wrong. Let me see, what else did chat GPT say that I should say? I was just, you know, I'm competitive. Alcohol, I was snappy, you know how it is. But you know, can you understand me? I know you're a woman, so it might be hard to process all these words.

[Janet]

Well, you know, with Danny, this apology, you know, he does, he is a very good apologizer and even I was like, well, it's pretty good, you know.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Janet]

But if I hadn't seen his, if I hadn't seen his talking heads and then read everything he said during the season and seen him being defensive in the after show and everything else, he's not really sorry, you know, he doesn't take any. If someone's really like, holy, I was a monster, I was a drunk and I was an idiot and I'm good. I need to like change my way. I mean, what I'm saying is it's not necessarily unforgivable to have a drunken night. But then he apologizes and then he's like, what's Lala needs to Monroe business and the talking heads. It's like you don't mean anything you're saying, you know. Yeah, you're just, you're just a decent B level actor, you know, doing whatever you need to do to keep this.

[Danny]

There's a B level actor.

[Janet]

Well, that was generous.

[Danny]

I guess I was about to say that is quite generous. So Lala's like, I think, I don't know a lot of letters to be a B level. So then Lala is like, well, I think there's something that happens when you have one too many drinks. And by the way, there's no judgment here. Just kidding. There's a huge amount of judgment. But I'm just gonna tell you there's no judgment. And I want to make that very clear. I'm not saying that you have an issue. I'm telling you you have an issue. And I know that that's not been. I know that's like, that's been talked about in the past. I need to make that clear. That's not what I'm saying. I just want to make sure that you're good. Like Lala. You're telling him he has an issue. Let's be honest. And you're right, by the way.

[Janet]

You're right. Yeah, well, she knows how it's coming across because she is someone who had to get sober, you know, because she had the same stuff happen to her all the time. So she's. I think she's coming from the place of like, listen. From one one person who's acted like a drunk idiot on TV to another. I get it. But he's taking that as like, well, how dare you compare me to an alcoholic, you know, because he's delusional. So, yeah, of course he's like, well, that didn't need to be shed. We don't know each other like that. We're not fringe like that. She needs to mind her own business. Well, as I've said 20 times, it's not her own business. If you're this loud about it and in everyone's face about it, it becomes our business, dummy.

[Danny]

Yeah, and this is, and this is also an echo to what happened to that dinner party. And this is not me going back to like a. The Janet thing. I'm, I'm. I'm done with that. Like, that's. I'm just saying in terms of the way that need. The moment that there was a, like a question about, like, is, should we be checking on Danny's drinking?

[Nia]

He was like, I can't believe you'd even say that.

[Janet]

Right?

[Danny]

Like, that's basically like, like you, you, you've overstepped, it's too far, blah, blah, blah. And like, they're so defensive about this and it's just like. It's. It's just really annoying to watch. And I can only imagine how annoying it is to actually be in that circle of friends to deal with it.

[Janet]

Yeah, truly. So they finish your talk, and he's like, you know, I rarely do drink even. Like, I'm good. Like, I rarely drink. So those times when it gets, you know, things do get heightened, like, whatever, you know, making a light of the whole being triggered thing, that was. That was stupid. You know, I'm really sorry about that. And she's like, okay, well, I just want you to be sure to know that if I'm saying this behind your back, I'm gonna say it to your face. I'm willing to say it's your face. And he's like, okay, well, thank you. And she's like, okay, well, thanks, Danny. I appreciate it. So they move on. And meanwhile, Zach is just still having the best trip of his life. I mean, Zach is on some other trip. Zach is, like, on some completely different vacation than everyone else. He's just, like, having the time of his life, you know?

[Danny]

Yeah, he's. He and Benji are just like. Like, oh, my God, Lomos. They're just having a great time. They're just completely insulated from all this stuff. So now Janet's like, omnia. Do you have a second? Can we go hang by the garden?

[Nia]

Yeah. Okay. Oh, my God, A garden. I haven't been out here before.

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[Nia]

That's, like, my gut reaction. I say when I go outside to make sure Danny's okay, it's like, okay,

[Danny]

well, it's nice and peaceful out here, right?

[Nia]

It is peaceful.

[Danny]

How are you?

[Nia]

I'm good.

[Danny]

Okay, well, I just wanted to sit down and talk. And I know it's been a little awkward and stuff. And, you know, I know that last year was really tough, and I caused you a lot of pain, and I'm really sorry. I'm like, stop slowing down every other word, Janet. It's like, I totally understand how some things that I said have hurt you.

[Janet]

Yeah. She's saying, you know, I understand I hurt you, and I wish I could go back and not say some things or say things differently now. This, you know, credit where it's due, I think was a very good apology. It was much improved from her first. Like, do you have anything to apologize to me about? Which is how she started the season. So I thought this was very good. Like, she came in, she gave a real apology. I felt like, yes, and she did a good job. And as a Christian awkwardness of it was, you know, as a Christian, like, what do you do? You're supposed to forgive. I was raised in the Christian church. I don't really follow it now, but I was raised very, very, very Christian. So I kind of know how this works. And he is just like, no, no, fuck off, bitch. Basically, she's like, I. And look, it's not your responsibility necessarily to just say, okay, you have, like, full entrance back into my life. You know, I was very hurt by you, so just go ahead. I'm just gonna pretend that nothing happens. But that's not really what forgiveness is, you know? And so I thought it was kind of silly that Nia stakes all of this on her religion and her faith and then can't even take a genuine apology when it's offered to her. I thought that was pretty shitty on Nia's part.

[Danny]

Now I will say, God, I would hate. I hate to do the. I will say in this situation, but I will say, I mean, Janet has apologized to me a few times over the past, like, year or two seasons. And so I. I can imagine that Nia is just sort of frustrated that she has to, like, have another sit down. But I do actually agree. I do think that Janet was. Had. Had a good apology. And I. Honestly, Janet Shannon has. She said she's gone to therapy. She's been. She's been doing therapy. And she's not like, doing the Jax therapy where she does like, a session on camera. And it's like, look, everyone, I'm changed. Like, she sounds, if we are to. To believe what she's saying, and it's based on how she's talking. It does sound like she has been putting in the work, which is what I ask of people when they act like buffoons. So I do appreciate this. And Nia is just like, I feel

[Nia]

like you look at me and you're like, not seeing the good in me. You would see the negative. There was good and like. And if there is good, you'd find a way to turn it into bad.

[Danny]

I'm like, I. It's interesting to me that that's how Nia takes it, because I really think that, like, Janet's issue is primarily with Danny. And if she had an issue with Nia, is that Nia covers for Danny, and Danny acted in a way that made Janet feel uncomfortable. And then when Janet tried to say that whether it was concern trolling or not, but based on at least just what we see on camera, just the. The word said, Nia's like, off, right? And I I can understand being, like, really frustrated by that.

[Janet]

And Janet's like, well, you're definitely right. And I feel like all of us are seeing the worst in each other and assuming the worst. And she's like, well, I feel like that's a blanket statement that's not real for me because I see the best of most people, and I see repeated actions that now I look at, and it's not like an oops, I did this. I'm sorry. For me, it was a long time of being behavior over a period of time that became a pattern.

[Danny]

Oh, you're talking about Danny now?

[Nia]

No, I'm talking about you.

[Janet]

Yeah, what you say. It does seem like she could be talking to Dany as well. And while I agree with what she's saying to Janet, you know, I do agree that it's like, well, it's not just some oops, like, you doubled, tripled, quadrupled, down to the point where by the end of the season, you were accusing him of murder, basically.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Janet]

Like, you know, and I get that, but, you know, you can have that conversation and still say, like, listen, Janet, you know, I was really hurt by you last year, and this is why I was hurt. But I appreciate your apology, and I would love to move forward. You know, it's just a couple of tweaks would be needed to this. And Nia's like, nah, this was an apology that was planned out, and it doesn't feel like there's any real deep understanding of the hurt she's caused. And I'm like, yeah, but that's also Danny, who you're completely standing up for. It's like an impossible situation, you know?

[Danny]

Yeah. I think that, like, yeah, it's not nice to have someone in your group bring up these things, but it's Danny who's actually doing these things. And, like, that's. That's where the scrutiny really should be in my mind. So Nia's.

[Janet]

I mean, look, I think it should be both places. I don't. I'm just not. I'm just. I just can't be like, well, Janet's right now, because Danny sucks. I mean, I think Janet was still an. Like, she's still just too much, and I can get it. And I think she's two sides of the same coin as someone like Danny. You know, not the drinking and everything like that, but the manipulation and the. The way that you talk to people and that you try and villainize people when they're not. I mean, they have a lot in common. And I Just think they're both so wrong. But when you're in this situation as someone like Nia, you. I mean, what are you gonna do? Like, you can't just keep coming onto a TV show and having it be so split like someone. You guys, she's at least making an effort. And even if you don't believe her effort is real, you need to at least fake it enough to like give her a chance, you know, Especially when that's what you're preaching constantly and you're preaching it to everyone else for your husband.

[Danny]

I guess I'm trying to figure out what I actually want out of Nia in this situation. I think I want her to basically just tell Daniel to shut. I want her to sort of stop taking this on to herself. And I want her to. I kind of want her to give Danny the business and be like, look, because of you, our entire friend group is being torn apart. Like, yeah, it's Janet too, but ultimately, like, Janet would have never had anything to go off of if you didn't give her all of this to go off of. And you, like, you've created this, like, you've got to change. And if you don't, like, I've made so many sacrifices for you, I've done everything for you, and you're treating me like shit. And now our whole group is like in shambles because of you. And you've got to like get your shit together. It's like, I think that's what I want from her.

[Janet]

Well, it's tough because she's in a situation where, you know, I'm looking at this as like a full on abuse situation, you know, And I know people will be like, well, that's not physical abuse. And that's different than that's not really. When you're in a situation that's so emotionally abusive, which this frankly now looks completely like that to me. And there's no talking me out of that. So you, you're talking to a victim in an abuse situation. And so it's like, just stand up to him, you know. Of course we want that because you want that for the person, you know, you want that, you want to see them get to that moment. But it's just so much more complicated than that. It's like you're stuck with these four kids, these four babies. She doesn't really work, she's stuck in this, you know, I mean, maybe she does some influencing stuff, but she doesn't really, you know, where she's a stay at home mom, you know, it's like, sorry, I took myself off. Now she's stuck in Santa Clarita. And, you know, it's like she's kind of in a situation which to her probably seems impossible. Add on to that, all of the religious training that's like, no, you stand by your man and that guy is right. You know, that guy's the man and you're the woman and your job is to blah, blah, blah. And so it's, it's easy, you know, it's. It's easy to say like, well, you should do this and you should do that, but it's also just hard to actually do it. You know, she's in a really complicated situation and it's just brutal. It's brutal to watch it. And so she's like, you know, this was just last summer, Janet. It's not like it was a long time ago. And she, Janet's like, well, everybody's been saying stuff and posting things. And she goes, oh, really? What about me and Daniel? She goes, no, but like Daniel likes. Likes and posts stuff with memes about me and stuff like that. And she's like, but I'm talking about you, Janet. No, you're really not. You're defending Danny.

[Danny]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. And Jen's like, yeah, I'm just saying it's not a one sided thing.

[Nia]

She's no, but I'm talking about you because you're the one that's making the apology to me.

[Danny]

She's like, well, I feel like all I can do moving forward is just to say I'm sorry.

[Nia]

I appreciate the effort.

[Janet]

So. Yeah, but it's like stone cold. It's like a stone cold ending.

[Guest]

Thanks.

[Danny]

So this is what's so funny to me. Like we've been now at this for like an hour and 18 minutes. We are fired up. We're. We're dissecting every aspect of this problematic situation. Danny and Nia, this. Alcohol afoot, religious issues afoot. There's things from last year. This year there's all this stuff. It's dark, it's. It's terrible. The, the way that people were talked to. It's like, it's a really dark moment. Cut to Tom Schwartz. Carl. Wow.

[Nia]

I would say San Diego trip was a great success.

[Danny]

Were you even there? Did you even see what was happening?

[Janet]

Yeah, he's like, it was a little glimpse into my future. Like, I want to retire and just live on a little ranch with my animals and be a boy. Yikes.

[Danny]

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[Janet]

So now everybody's back home going about their business. And Jason. And we go to Jason and Janet's house and Janet's like, well, I had a good trip. You know, I mean, at least I had fun with the girls. You know, half the trip I was really laughing with the girls and having fun. And Janet's like, you know, and I was talking to them about meeting with my OB and then meeting a fertility specialist because they're talking about having another baby. So they talk about that for a while.

[Danny]

Yeah, baby, baby, baby. Potential happening there. And Jason talks about like the, you know, if, if, if they can't conceive, then maybe they might adopt. And he talks about how his dad was adopted. And there's like a lot of, a lot of adopted people in his family. So it's something that would definitely be a viable option for him, which is pretty cool to learn about his family.

[Janet]

And yeah, now the guys go to play basketball. So they're like, this is just called hoops, guys. And they basically all come to play together. And Jason's like, yeah, I'm pretty athletic, especially for my age, so I played high school based basketball and I wasn't good enough to play for Boston College, but still pretty good guys. So they start playing and then Jason hurts his knee and he's like, oh, God, I hurt my knee with that jump. And like, well, the shot's way off. And then they keep playing and Jason goes down.

[Danny]

He's like, ow. He, like, he just goes. It's just like, he's out, he's out, he's down for the count. And then he's Just, like, just laid out there, lay it out.

[Janet]

It's not even funny. His knee is popped out. Yikes.

[Danny]

No, it was fun. It was. I felt bad for him. Like, he was down. Like, that was an injury. But what was funny was that, like, he's like, he's lying there. Ambulance comes, they. Carter moyed like, okay, back to the game. Wasn't he walking at BravoCon? Was it BravoCon, or was it the reunion that he had, like, a. He was walking around like a cane.

[Janet]

My Bravo con. He was on a cane. Yeah.

[Danny]

So it's probably from this. Yeah, so, yeah.

[Janet]

So he's like, oh, God, you know, what the hell? Like, now I have to take care of a kid and I can't walk. And, you know, he's freaking out, so they take him away. And Luke's like, okay, well, let's. Let's keep going. So he's saying that him and Jason have a weird friendship right now, but when you blow out your knee in front of me, I don't wish that on anybody. So he goes to the hospital, and then we. Yeah, just keep playing. I mean, I don't know what's going on at the scene.

[Danny]

Lucas. Like, I just have a question for the EMTs. Before you take him to the hospital, when was the last time you let me go fishing? Like, sir, we don't understand what this question's about. We need to take this man for medical assistance. So now we have Zach and Brittany and Kristin, and now they're at lunch at Madre, which is where Erica and Denise and Sutton had lunch for anyone who wants to keep tabs on restaurants on these shows. So Britney's.

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[Danny]

How you feeling? Good. Sleepy. Always sleepy. Always sleepy. Oh, my God. Like, how long did it take you to get home? Like, four, four and a half hours.

[Janet]

So Lala comes in, and she's all dressed up. Like, where are you going? I just wanted to get dressed up for my friends. So, you know, like, yeah, I just came home and just wanted to put on my sweatpants. And Brittany's talking about how cute Cruz was and how good things are going with Cruz without Jax there. And he's now smiling all the time. He's more social. And she saw how. Or cruise saw how she was treated for so long with Jax, and that really affected him more than they realized. And meanwhile, Jax is posting like, wow, everybody congrats to me. 1.5 years sober. I'm going in this. The. The rehabs, you know, yearly marathon. Girl, nobody believes you.

[Danny]

Yeah, seriously. So now Kristen Kristen's like, I mean, this is what Jax's perfect world looks like. He's like, single. Single. And he can wherever he wants, do drugs and do whatever. And he has Britney. And then he's just like, fellas Cruz. Yeah, but that's because the narcissist always has the life over here. But the picture perfect family to create the illusion. And it's wild. Yeah. He could have been calling Cruise every day and make an effort, but he doesn't because, shocker, he doesn't call to help out or anything. And she says that co parenting is extremely, extremely difficult.

[Janet]

Yeah. And she's like, I just. I've just put so much belief that he changed, but he's 46, and he's still playing all the same tricks and doing all the same things to me, and I believe it. Yeah. So Kristen's like, well, at least the dark cloud's gone. And she's like, well, it didn't ruin my time. So now we move on to the Nia stuff. The Nia and Danny stuff. So she. Lila's like, well, I don't know if Nia told you what happened. And Zach's like, yeah, but China tried to talk to her at the end, and she goes, no, not that. And Kristen's like, well, I know. I know about her and Janet sort of talking like, no, not that. Did she tell you the night of the pageant with me and Danny. And Kristin's like, oh, my God, I can, like, feel your nervous energy, and it's like, it's making me nervous. Like, I don't even know what's about to happen.

[Danny]

I'm an empath. Okay, well, we. We can sit here all day long and talk about Daniel and how wonderful they are. All right? And, Kristen, I'm going to be very careful as I say this because I know that they're your friends, but there's a real issue happening, Chris. Like, oh, what? The utter. The way that your friend Danny speaks to his wife is utterly unacceptable. I hear him say, get these fucking lashes off me. Yelling at her. I don't know what you're talking about.

[Janet]

Yeah. She's like, well, I love you, and I've always appreciated that you write hard for your friends, but there is a lot of things about Danny, and I'm not going to end up a Janet, okay? I'm not. I'm not going to be labeled a destroyer. And I'm telling you, this is something I saw and I heard with my own eyes and. And ears. And Britney's like, well, when I brought something up last year was like, whoa. Like I wouldn't allowed to feel what I saw. I mean we got labeled as horrible people. You know, the Internet was so mean to me. I was crying, I was crying. And Kristen's like, well, just as a side note, as far as Danny and Nia as a couple are concerned, like just because they don't share it with the group doesn't mean they don't deal with it themselves. And I really try to model my relationship with Luke on that. Well, it seems to be working. Cuz you're both miserable. I know.

[Danny]

Yeah, great, great work, great work. That patterning. I look at Danny and Nia's relationship. It's something that I really strive for in my relationship with Luke. Mike, that's because you're looking at him with rose tinted glasses on. You see the version, the nice version that they presented for so long where they're very sweet and accommodating but you're not really seeing what they're actually, how they're actually behaving because you don't air your dirty laundry. I'm like, well, you're also not really patterning that part, Kristen.

[Janet]

And she's like, you do air dir your laundry though.

[Danny]

She's like, oh, I really aspire to be like that. I just want to, I aspire to not air my dirty laundry. I'm like, you put up a clothesline in this restaurant and it's all hanging here.

[Janet]

There's. Oh, you're like literally, you know, washboarding T shirts in a river right now. Okay, can we just eat our madre?

[Danny]

I know. Seriously, you should learn how to communicate at home and have these conversations in private. I work past them without embarrassing your significant other. And then there's something that I, I really look up to when, when it comes to Daniel, Nia and their marriage. I'm like, yeah, but the point is that he did embarrass his significant other.

[Janet]

That's what Kristen, listen, follow the, follow the thread, Kristen. And she's like, yeah, they're like very faith, like about their faith and you know, like she just wants to breathe through it and pray through it and that's how she copes. And Brittany's like, well, I mean, not that me and Jax were anything like me and Danny, but I protected Jax all the time. And I was like, we know. She's like, yeah, so I can understand that you know more than the average person. And I think, you know, Brittany is a good example actually on this one. And I don't just Mean, the alcohol, but this kind of, like, narcissist man, you know, treating you like where you're constantly sticking up for him. She definitely knows. And Zach's like, whoa. Like, I. Like. I think this is more like, you don't like Mia. And Brittany's like, I don't like Mia. And Kristen's like, well, he said this for a really long time. Like, I've never brought it up. Zach says, well, you. You know, you don't like Nia, you know, and she goes, but I do like Nia. And because you make digs about Nia all the time.

[Danny]

And she. And he's like. One example at the top of my mind is like, last summer when we were in Santa Barbara, Danny and Neil were having a fight on the phone, and Neil was, like, yelling at him. And Brittany thought that Neil was, like, hiding something for the cameras, and they were, like, fighting. But Brittany, I'm like, sorry, there's cameras everywhere. So I, like, don't see what you're talking about. And they showed that clip. I don't feel like Brittany took that big of a dig. I don't remember exactly what she said in that moment, but I remember thinking, like, I don't think.

[Janet]

No, but I know what he means because. Well, first off, that was. I. They showed the scene, so we got to see it again. I was like, I remember that scene because they show it to us. They show.

[Danny]

I just don't remember what she said.

[Janet]

I remember thinking about it. I remember talking about it last year, and she was telling her husband off on the phone. She was like, listen to your wife, Daniel. Like, she was getting mad at him on the phone. And then Brittany's like, why are they hiding everything? And I just remember saying, like, they're not, though. She's having this conversation on camera. Like, I don't understand why you're saying she's hiding it, but I think Britney was projecting a lot at that moment because she could see some of the patterns with Danny.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Janet]

Like Jax in Danny. And she was dealing with Jax to such a degree that for Nia to be like, oh, no, no, everything's okay. When Brittany was just at the point where she's like, you know what? No, everything's not okay with my relationship. And so to see somebody else being like, no, but everything's okay. When you're going through the same thing and finally having to say, no, everything's not okay, I can see what a mind that would be, for sure.

[Danny]

Also, Brittany got for so many years from all of the audience about, like, why are you protecting Jax? We know you're protecting him. Why are you always trying to smooth things over? You're always giggling it over, like, giving her all that. She got that for years and years and years, and now she finally, like, the veil lifted. She finally has clearer eyes and she's. And then she sees Danny and Nia and. And they are clearly having a squabble, and she's like, why did, like, they, like, why doesn't Nia get for this? Like, I had to deal with so much. I have to imagine, like, there's an element of that running through her as well. That's like, a common thing with reality stars. Of, like, I had to deal with now. Now you should deal with this too. It's, like, not fair that I was. Had to be the one that dealt with it. And I kind of would imagine there was some along with what you said. I think that this was also swirled in there.

[Janet]

Yeah. And so she's like, I'll immediately get attacked every time I fa, you know, face anything. And Zach's like, I'm not attacking you. And she's like, well, I'm done talking about it because I've never been to. I've never. Never talking about Danny and me ever again. Okay. They're perfect. Okay. I guess they're just perfect.

[Danny]

Okay, I see you. Okay. You are seen. I hear you. I see and hear you. And this is actually. Thank you. No, this is my way of saying, like, I'm hearing too much of you. It's just a lot of your giggle right now. Okay, you know what? We never get. We never got to see those things. Okay? There might have been, like, some rumors or, like, stuff or whatever, but it's, like, never been this bad. And, like, especially the way he wasn't in San Diego. That was, like, absolutely inappropriate. Even Bungie was like, oh, my God.

[Janet]

And Kristen's like, well, I've not witnessed that. I mean, I believe what you're telling me. I'm just saying, like, I haven't seen it with my own eyes.

[Danny]

Well, I just find it hard to believe that you've never heard him speak to her that way, like, ever.

[Janet]

And she's like, well, no, I've never been to a bar with Danny. Like, I see dad Danny or Danny at home, and Danny not ever drinking. That's the Danny I see. And Kristen Lala's like, Kristen saying, this is such. She has been around Danny drinking on many occasions. And it's not. This isn't even a friendship. This is an alliance and let's just call it what it is. And I think Christian, Kristen is intentionally turning a blind eye and I think that that is accurate.

[Danny]

And Lala, it basically ends with Lala saying, if this is your friend, you've got to step in Kristen. And Kristen's like, oh, what?

[Janet]

Yeah, because Kristen goes, well, that's something that needs to brought to her attention because it's being talked about. So Kristen's basically like, okay, well I'm gonna go talk to me about this. I'm just warning you. And Lala's like, okay, well if this is your friend, then step in Kristen. Jesus.

[Danny]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, because Kristen has been their biggest offender. Like Kristen, like when Kristen heard more of Nia's backstory last year, she felt extreme amount of sympathy and empathy and everything. All the pathis. And I don't discredit her for that. I don't think that's wrong that she felt that way. But she really kind of was like, okay, I'm going to blindly champion these two for the end of time. And it's like she's gonna have to also now, you know, put on her, you know, her detective hat as usual and get to the bottom of this.

[Janet]

Well, yeah, because this isn't like a typical reality thing. Like you better, you know, tell them off. You know, it's not about telling her off. It's like you're. This is a bad situation. Like, how are we going to help this lady?

[Danny]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. So anyway, God, that I feel great. What a, what a. What a ray of sunshine this episode was. But yeah, there's. But like also I love a show where you can sink your teeth into it and you can have opinions and like I loved all this conversation. I loved it. I loved going back and forth. I know people are gonna be really mad at me for having certain Janet apologists tendencies this episode. But you know what? That's just the way it is.

[Janet]

No, I think that's how I think this is. I think this is everything that's being talked about on this show is really dark and complicated and people have really intense feelings on a lot of things that are talked about on the show and then on this show because we're talking about what's happening on the screen. So you know, everybody's gonna. Because everybody's got some kind of reference point to this in their own lives and they're going to be coming from a lot of different directions.

[Danny]

People bring their. Yeah, people are bringing their own experiences to something like this and. But you know I just. I was watching it and I was like, you know what? I just have to. This is how I feel watching it. And, you know, whether it's unpopular or not, that's just the way it is. But, yeah, food for thoughts. We'd love to hear what everyone says. Yeah.

[Janet]

This is great times. Love this. Lasts and lasts. I hope it just keeps going and going.

[Danny]

Peaks and valleys. Peaks and valleys.

[Janet]

Yeah. Can we get to the peaks? Like, can we just have a spin off called the Peaks? That'd be great. All right, everybody, thanks so much for being with us. We'll talk to you next time.

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