#3383 In the City S1E2 : Groan Central Station

Summary

Watch What Crappens – Episode #3383

"In the City S1E2: Groan Central Station"
Release Date: May 28, 2026
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam

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Episode Overview

Ben and Ronnie deliver their signature mix of Bravo snark, recapping the second episode of “In the City,” Bravo’s new-ish ensemble docuseries set in New York. The hosts dissect the cast’s messy relationships, take aim at fragile egos (especially the men), and debate which party drama reigns supreme. There’s an extended thread on the relative merits of minion recruitment, “performative” relationships, and what exactly constitutes a man-hater in Reality TV Land. Sprinkled throughout are vintage “Crappens” asides, including deep dives on minor Bravo characters, Bravo's odd editing choices, and dissertation-level analysis of friendships, custody agreements, and subway transitions.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. New York as a Character – and as a Trope (03:00–04:00)

• Ben and Ronnie note Bravo's heavy-handed effort to sell "NYC hustle and chaos" with montages of city life.
• Ronnie (03:28): “Bravo's just trying to win back goodwill for New York after they botched the Roni reboot... We can put out good content in the city. And truthfully, they can – and they are.”
• Opening scenes set up the cast’s intersections—dogs fight, friends meet for Botox, the classic Reality TV New York.

2. Botox, Angry 11s, and the Lexi Confusion (04:00–05:12)

• Andrea gets Botox for his "angry Lexi," which is quickly corrected to "angry 11s."
• Ben (04:38): “She's like, look right here, do you see how it makes an 11 on your face? He's like, oh, I see lots of 11s, sir.”
• The hosts riff on cosmetic terminology and Andrea’s confusion, branding it classic Reality TV intelligence.

3. Amanda Moves Out – A Relationship Post-Mortem (05:12–09:00)

• Amanda packs up to move out from Kyle’s, discussion on their “break” and therapy fails.
• Ben (08:03): “You guys already quit therapy? What? You guys suck. You can't just go two times. That's not how therapy works.”
• Both hosts agree Amanda’s move signals a real issue—possibly worsened by “sex with West.”
• The packing scene is dissected for clues on relationship saving, or lack thereof.

4. Gavin & Lindsay Flirt at Rocco’s, and the Great “Man Hater” Debate (09:08–13:32)

• Lindsay and Gavin’s playful dynamic is recapped, including Gavin’s club life anecdotes and accidental cheek kiss.
• Tension surfaces over a previous group interaction: Lindsay questioned why Whitney would move for Kenny, leading Kenny to claim he got “I hate men” vibes.
• Ben (12:03): “There was no I hate men vibes from that whatsoever. Lindsay loves men. It is such a fragile VC guy thing to just pull that conclusion out of that.”
• Ronnie notes the circular logic: men who fear being called “toxic” often end up confirming that perception.

5. Whitney’s Move-In: Closet Drama and Friendship Fumbles (13:32–16:13)

• Whitney deals with the logistics of moving in with Kenny, bringing 30 boxes and needing “a room for every outfit.”
• Kenny laments the end of his “open-door friends sitcom” life as Whitney changes the apartment’s dynamic.
• Ronnie (14:05): “We used to have a perfect Friends sitcom situation. People just walk in... Now Lamy McMinnesota face here ruined everything.”
• Whitney struggles with friendship-building, recounting a stiff pedicure outing with Danielle and suspicions about Danielle’s boyfriend.

6. Danielle, Owen, and Reality TV Relationship Overlaps (16:13–17:54)

• Discussion about Danielle’s “amicable” new relationship, and her boyfriend Owen’s ongoing divorce.
• The hosts poke fun at Danielle’s tendency toward pie charts and legalistic analysis of everything.
• Ronnie (15:05): “Why did they give me the junior lawyer in the firm? I wanted to...”

7. Lindsay & Danielle’s Fractured Friendship (17:06–19:08, 37:17–40:30)

• Robert, Danielle’s ex, now chef at Rocco’s, enters the scene; Gavin stirs further by probing Lindsay on whose “side” she’s on.
• Lindsay (18:19): “Yeah... at least once a year she [Danielle] does something, and then I have given her a pass. Pass after pass after pass...”
• Lindsay refuses Danielle’s “olive branch,” deploying a zinger: “I do not need an olive branch from a person who resembles the Olive Garden...” (18:51)
• At the party, Danielle awkwardly tries to bridge the gap (“She just feels like a stranger to her now,” 48:08).

8. Male Fragility as Bravo Comedy Material (20:12–24:54)

• Ben and Ronnie unpack Kenny’s grievances—feeling attacked, invoking his mother’s death, and refusing to confront friends.
• Ben (23:27): “You’re the one sitting here crying... trying to make up all this... You’re the one who can’t use your words, Kenny, you big baby. I cannot believe how quickly this guy became the biggest villain.”
• Broad critique: so many Bravo shows are currently dominated by “douchebag men.”

9. Lindsay & Georgina Discuss the Realities of Motherhood & Custody (25:00–29:37)

• A scene at Lindsay's sees her commiserating with Georgina, sharing laughter about blue-penised children and discussing custody agreements.
• Ben (27:44): “This is extremely smart of Lindsay to be doing this... When you have a child with somebody... No, we are making a legal document—period. So good for her.”
• Georgina recounts a failed attempt at “forced family time” in her own custody battle, revealing awkward realities of co-parenting with an ex.

10. Boys' Night and Kenny’s Performance (29:44–33:11)

• Kenny, Gavin, Kyle, Andrea, and Nick convene at the Garrett for “boys’ night,” with jokes about Whitney’s party persona “Claire.”
• Ronnie notes the trope of performing masculinity—everyone talking about, but nobody owning, their emotional hang-ups.

11. Lindsay v. Kenny Round Two – The Confrontation (60:02–67:26)

• Lindsay and Kenny attempt to clear the air at Whitney’s “Welcome to New York” party. They immediately talk past each other.
• Highlight Quotes:
  • Lindsay (62:42): “No, I call out truth and facts, and I’m sorry that you don’t like hearing the truth.”
  • Kenny (64:06): “The problem is, don't project your insecurities on my relationship.”
  • Ben (61:53): “You’re creating narratives that don’t exist, which is exactly what you’re saying she’s doing.”
• Ronnie diagnoses Kenny as textbook “DARVO” (Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender).
• Lindsay stands firm, Kenny walks away petulant, and the hosts gleefully predict his Reality TV downfall.

12. Amanda’s Apartment Hunt and “Spindle Trauma” (68:29–70:13)

• Amanda tours apartments, revealing her issues with change (and spindles).
• Amanda (69:18): “I hate change so much. Like, when I was younger, I handcuffed myself to our cast iron railings in our house...”
• Banter ensues about spindle-shaming and childhood drama.

13. Kyle’s Emotional Call with Mom; Relationship Doom (71:04–73:26)

• Kyle FaceTimes his mom; both break down over his faltering marriage.
• Kyle’s Mom (72:43): “Think of Dad—he was in a 10-year marriage... It's not too late. Go on, flourish.”
• Ben and Ronnie question the wisdom of sticking out a doomed marriage “for the kids” or for tradition, drawing on both Kyle’s parental history and Bravo’s relationship graveyard.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Ronnie on NYC: “We see some dogs fighting, and we see New York City, and we wind up in Georgina’s med spa…” (03:33)
• Ben on Fragile Men: “There was no I hate men vibes from that whatsoever. Lindsay loves men.” (12:03)
• Lindsay on Danielle: “Pass after pass after pass after pass. I'm like a quarterback at this point.” (18:19)
• Ronnie’s diagnosis: “He is actually doing the thing that they say narcissists do... DARVO—Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender.” (64:36)
• Amanda’s Spindle Trauma: “I handcuffed myself to our cast iron railings in our house because my parents wanted to get beautiful new solid wooden ones…” (69:18)
• Ben on Kenny: “I cannot believe how quickly this guy became the biggest villain. And also, Bravo is just trolling us at this point.” (23:49)
• Lindsay on Truth: “I call out truth and facts, and I’m sorry that you don’t like hearing the truth.” (62:42)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Bravo’s NYC Montage & Setup: 03:00–04:00
• Amanda Moves Out: 05:12–09:00
• Gavin & Lindsay Flirt and “Man Hater” Debate: 09:08–13:32
• Closet/Move-in Drama & Danielle Pedicure: 13:32–16:13
• Lindsay & Danielle’s Split/Robert’s Cameo: 17:06–19:08
• Custody & Mediation Chat: 25:00–29:37
• Boys’ Night & Fragile Masculinity: 29:44–33:11
• Lindsay v. Kenny Argument: 60:02–67:26
• Amanda’s Apartment Hunt/Spindle Story: 68:29–70:13
• Kyle’s Call With His Mom: 71:04–73:26

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Tone and Style

• Language: Casual, biting, and playfully judgmental.
• Tone: Snarky but invested, blending genuine appreciation for Reality TV mess with relentless mockery of its most delusional characters.
• Dynamic: Ben and Ronnie volley one-liners, improv bizarre scenarios (pop-up Brutalist bowling alleys, parenting kits containing champagne), and name-drop Bravo lore with joyful venom.

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For Listeners (or Non-Listeners)

If you missed this episode:
Ben and Ronnie offer a razor-sharp, humorous, and sometimes unexpectedly insightful foray into “In the City.” They flag how Bravo’s new show leans on old tropes—including technicolor versions of New York and fragile, performative men—while celebrating cast members (mainly Lindsay) who refuse to bow to bad behavior. If dating, ex-friends, custody, and closets are in crisis, Ben and Ronnie have a wisecrack for every beat.

This recap captures the real flavor of the show: not just the plot, but the absurdity of the genre—and why, week after week, “Crappens” fans keep coming back for more.

Transcript

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Who cares what happens when there's so much happen? Who cares what happens when there's so much that happens? Well, hello and welcome to Watch what Crap Ends a podcast about all that crap on Bravo. We just love to talk about emphasis on talk because we just recorded incredibly long recap of the summer house reunion part one. And now we are going to pivot all the way to in the city. My name is Ben Mandelker and joining me as always is the lovely and hilarious Ronnie Caram. Hi Ronnie, how's it going?

[Ben Mandelker]

Hi.

[Yvonne]

What's up?

[Ben Mandelker]

How are you?

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, I'm just doing fabulous. Just fabulous. And next week we have our cabaret in New York City. Tickets are sold out but you can stream them. You can buy streaming tickets by going to our website watchcraftens.com or going there's also a link in bio on our social media. The tickets for the streaming are on sale right up to showtime, right up to curtain and then after that you can't buy the tickets anymore, but you can watch the replay for a week. So so make sure you get your streaming tickets before it's too late. Otherwise you'll just have to wait for I don't know, who knows when. But for right now, go check that out. Join us on Patreon. We were equipping up a storm about the summer house reunion if you want, if you missed those clips, you want to hear what we have to say, go check that out. Patreon.com watchrocrappens get access to the video, et cetera, et cetera. And that's let's just dive into in the City. I don't even want to wait anymore. Let's get right into it.

[Ben Mandelker]

In the city. Here we go, everybody. Well, love this show for bringing back my little Trixie monacle. We've got a lot of.

[Yvonne]

Yeah, yeah, we're out. We're out. It's cold in the street and we're here in the street cuz we're girls.

[Ben Mandelker]

Girls.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Are you noticing all the Trixie music?

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, Everywhere, lots of Trixie music. I also noticed that this episode opens up in a way that, like, Next Gen New York City does, which is basically Bravo trying to explain wacky New York City to the rest of the country. It's like, look.

[Lindsay]

Look at this.

[Ronnie Caram]

There's people on the sidewalk. And you see there's a lady on a bench saying, new York is a hustle, baby.

[Lindsay]

All you do is hustle in the city.

[Ronnie Caram]

I was like, oh, my God. I had no idea that that was a feature of New York City.

[Ben Mandelker]

That was an odd way, I guess. Are we going to do that now at the beginning of the episodes? Or we just have someone being like, new York is nuts trained under the ground here?

[Ronnie Caram]

I know. Bravo's just trying to win back goodwill for New York after they botched the Roni reboot. They're like, no, guys, for real. We can put out good content in the city. And truthfully, they can, and they are with this show and Next Gen New York City, which is coming back very soon. So we see, like, some dogs fighting, and we see New York City, and we wind up in Georgina's med Spa, and she's there with Lindsay and Andrea, and Andrea is getting Botox because I heard that there's something called the angry Lexi. And I'm like, what? Lexi is so sweet. She's an angel. How could you say that? She's.

[Lindsay]

It's like, no, it's angry 11, not angry Lexis.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, yeah, I see. But why is it called 11s?

[Lindsay]

Because they're too.

[Ben Mandelker]

I thought they were too tiny.

[Ronnie Caram]

I thought there were two lowercase Ls. Why am I here? I'm here to get to Lexi Scott.

[Ben Mandelker]

Pay for this. But.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, we call these the two spaghetti strands.

[Lindsay]

Okay, well, whatever you call them. Get your Botox.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, look right here. Do you see how it makes an 11 on your face? He's like, oh, I see lots of 11, sir.

[Ronnie Caram]

So then we go over to the financial district, Fat eye. And we're at lover boy headquarters, and Kyle is trying on a lover boy mock neck. And his team's like, oh, my God, Kyle makes you look so elevated. Looks. You look great. You look great, by the way. This is a man pull off a mock neck. The answer is no. A man can. But I'm just saying this is not. This is not.

[Ben Mandelker]

This isn't the case of that happening.

[Ronnie Caram]

So that he's like, does. I think there's still some time to get some input from Amanda? Does anyone want to talk to our great. Is our creative director available to talk? And they're like, kyle, stop pretending like she actually does any work around here.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know, right? He's like, yeah, we're gonna get Amanda's input, right? Are we still doing that? So they go to next door to Kyle's and Amanda's apartment, lover boy headquarters. And she's in the closet packing because she's getting the out of there. Of course. Notice that she's not cleaning up her mess. She's leaving that look like a. Looking like a hoarder lived there. But she's gonna.

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[Ben Mandelker]

She's gonna take the. She needs out.

[Yvonne]

Excuse me.

[Ben Mandelker]

You need to either clean this house or you be the one to stay here while I go stay in a hotel. I'm staying in the heap.

[Ronnie Caram]

I know that Kyle was so happy to get rid of all of that stuff. Didn't he put out a video this week about, like, this is what my place looks like before with Amanda. Now this is what it looks like with me. He did. Oh, I think he did. I feel like I saw something like that.

[Ben Mandelker]

But, you know, and west should put one out that's like, here's. Here's my apartment before Amanda, and here' apartment with the mana is just more of a heap than it was before.

[Ronnie Caram]

I know. So he's like, well, this has to be the most organized closet in the house. Amanda. She's like, I'm organized. It's just the stuff that I don't know where to put. I just, like, don't know where to put it. And then I cut to, like, this giant pile of like. Like just clothing or whatever. So she says that she feels lighter. She feels better about the decision to leave Kyle. And, you know, she feels like this is what would be neat. This is how they could maybe potentially save this relationship. Except for the fact that you're also probably, you know, having sex with west

[Ben Mandelker]

side, banging one of his best friends.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

So he's like, oh, are you going to have enough stuff? Will you need a van or something?

[Yvonne]

It's like, I don't know, maybe we could pack up your car. I mean, it's not going to be too much just like. Like a monthlong vacation.

[Ronnie Caram]

So you got to, like, surprise me. Like, you're going to, like, keep your key and they're just, like, popping and be like, I mean, how's that work? Like, can I have someone over here? Can I have a girl? Can I get. Did I, Could I say someone else?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Basically, it's like, so how much privacy do I have? What? How much of a break is this exactly?

[Ronnie Caram]

She's like, no, I'm gonna show up at, like, 4am and wake you up like you do to me all the time. I was like, well, the dig, you see, it's like, odds. Oh, you never know when they're gonna come.

[Yvonne]

With Amanda, it's like, what, you don't want me here? I mean, I feel like you're more excited for me to leave than I am.

[Ben Mandelker]

Listen, nobody's more excited for you to leave than me.

[Ronnie Caram]

Like, wouldn't you be excited if the, if, like, the mold remediator came over? Like, yeah, yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

So he's like, that's like, the opposite of how I think this is felt. You're the one who wants to leave. It's like, okay, well, we're trying to

[Yvonne]

figure it out, like, spend time apart, but then we'll be courting each other and dating again.

[Ben Mandelker]

And he's like, yeah, something drastic needed to happen. I, I think I, I, I don't think we knew that. But therapy wasn't helping. So you guys already quit therapy? What? You guys suck.

[Ronnie Caram]

Come on, man.

[Ben Mandelker]

You can't just go two times. That's not how therapy works.

[Ronnie Caram]

I think there was a side of me that felt like we could have kept on continuing and playing this like a broken record. So I give you guys, I give you props for confronting this, like, head on. And, you know, he is actually excited, by the way. She was, she was not wrong. He is so excited that he's leaving, and he's, like, trying to act like he's sad. Let's, like, not act. Let's not make Kyle the total hero here. He is so excited. He's. I applaud you for confronting this, which is my way of saying that you should really see this through. So, like, it take as much time. If you need more than a month, do it like, it's fine. I look like the good guy, cuz you're leaving me and get out of here. Bye.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, so she keeps p. She's like,

[Yvonne]

well, I guess I better take my sneakers in case I need to run away.

[Ben Mandelker]

And he's like, run away from your problem?

[Yvonne]

She's like, from you, Kyle.

[Ben Mandelker]

You're already doing that. Amanda, just go. God. He's like, wow, harsh. I'm just sad, Kyle. Sad, sad Kyle.

[Ronnie Caram]

So now we go to Rocco's Sports and Recreation. I wonder if it's owned by Rocco Desperado. And Lindsay's there with Gavin, and Gavin is like, the nightlife guy. He owns that place, the Garrett. And. The Garrett. And Lindsay's like, oh, my God.

[Lindsay]

I can't believe how busy this place is. Like, wow, it's amazing.

[Ronnie Caram]

And Gavin tells us, I wanted to be in the hospitality business before I even knew it was a business. What I'm trying to say is I knew I could be douchey all the way when I was 14. And I remember having a party in high school, and a neighbor came over the next day, and he alerted me that he was gonna tell my parents. But then he was like, well, I'm not gonna lie. You threw a great party. And I was like, thanks, Carl. So anyway, yeah, nightlife guy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Then he started calling all of the seats soft bar green. It was really weird. They're just green.

[Yvonne]

Lizzie's like, yeah. One of my friends was, like, asking me if we were. If we ever hooked up before me and you. Isn't that crazy?

[Ben Mandelker]

And he's like, oh, God. And he kind of comes in to high five her, but she thinks he's trying to kiss her, and she's like,

[Lindsay]

whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Yvonne]

Oh, my God. I thought, oh, my God, it's happening.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, no, he does kiss her. He kisses her on the side of the cheek. But he comes in, like, he grabs her head, but then kisses her on the side, but he grabs her head in a way of like, baby, let's finally make this happen. And so she's like.

[Lindsay]

I was like, oh, my God, it's happening.

[Ben Mandelker]

So she says, they've known each other through Kyle for a lot of years, and she likes him because he's fun and flirty and messy.

[Yvonne]

She likes this vibe. I like the short kings.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, she did have Stravi, let's not forget. And so Gavin's like, I'm just making

[Lindsay]

you laugh, and I love that you get messy.

[Ronnie Caram]

He's like, I do.

[Lindsay]

Like, we're giggling. And then when we're talking about Kenny, like, that was so funny. And I was like, gavin, yes.

[Ronnie Caram]

He's like, yeah, just call me Shooter McGavin. That's what they call me. And we see how last week, Lindsay had this interaction with Kenny when where she was basically saying to Whitney, like, hey, if you're. You're Moving across the country without even a commitment, that's a big deal. And like, like, Kenny, you should know that. And then Gavin's like, guys, this is now a panel. This is a panel. And Kenny did not like that.

[Yvonne]

Yeah, it's like, I mean, what's his deal, cuz? Like, I don't really know them like Kenny or Whitney, but, like, he was, like, kind of treating me like I'm some sort of man eater just because I was taking his girlfriends, like we're expecting.

[Ben Mandelker]

And so we see the whole thing where she's like, wait, this girl moved across the country for you? That's pretty serious. And him being like, I'm getting I hate men vibes.

[Ronnie Caram]

He's so fragile. Because, by the way, there was no I hate men vibes from that whatsoever.

[Ben Mandelker]

No.

[Ronnie Caram]

And literally, Lindsay loves men. Like, I don't know, like, where, like, it's. It is so this kind of guy, a VC guy to, like. To a fragile VC guy to, like, basically pulled that conclusion out of that. And he. By the way, by him doing that, he is the one who gives credence to the people who are men haters. Right?

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, he's just like a typical. A typical juicy guy who's so fragile, it's like, oh, no, A woman spoke to me. Oh, no, I gotta. I'm getting a hate man vibes. Wow.

[Ronnie Caram]

Wow, wow. Jeez, I can't even say anything anymore.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Gavin's like, well, he probably knows what you're saying is true and he wants to discredit you.

[Yvonne]

And she's like, you think I struck a nerve? He's like, well, he's my best friend,

[Ben Mandelker]

but he can dish it out, but he really can't take it. So we go to Kenny and Whitney on the streets together, and she's like,

[Yvonne]

I can't believe my stuff's gonna be here this week already. Isn't that crazy? Because, like, I sent it last week, but then, like, it's coming this week. It's like, nuts how mail works.

[Ronnie Caram]

He's like, I know. It's like, we really need to figure out where everything is gonna go, Mr. And then we see, like, a flashback, which means we get that subway car transition that they built for it, which is so funny that they're, like, really committing to that, which is like, we're seeing the flashback as if we're seeing it through the window of a subway car. And then the subway car, it, like, zooms in. I'm like, who built that ridiculous effect? And they're gonna use it all season so. But I do sort of love it. It's so just, like, how it slowly disappears out to the corners of the screen. It is so silly. So we see them in his apartment, and she's like, kenny, I have, like, 30 boxes coming in from Minnesota. And he's like, oh, my God, 30 boxes? Yeah, because I don't really repeat outfits. So, like, we're gonna need a cl. We need a room for every outfit that I have.

[Yvonne]

I'm not an outfit repeater.

[Ben Mandelker]

And he's like, I mean, listen, I'm down to let you do your thing in the second bedroom, but, like, I still want to have a guest room. Like, I mean, what if your sister comes to town, you know, and to DJ or, like, Gavin, like, he stayed in that room.

[Yvonne]

And she's like, yeah, well, we kicked Gavin out, remember? Like, he can't just walk in whenever he wants.

[Ben Mandelker]

And he's like, well, Gavin's always had a code to my apartment. He's my bro. Like, he just shows up, you know? Like, it's like he lives there, but he doesn't. But, like, that's changed. Pair of boobies walked in. The code changed. Crazy.

[Ronnie Caram]

We used to have a perfect friends sitcom situation. People just walk in the front door, which is unlike any other real life apartment, but it was actually a real thing for me. And now Lamy McMinnesota face here ruined everything. So. Thanks a lot. Whitney.

[Ben Mandelker]

Typical woman. She comes in immediately, gets a vote.

[Ronnie Caram]

All of a sudden, she wants space in the place that she's moving in on. God, I don't understand these women. They're crazy demands.

[Ben Mandelker]

So he's like, how's your adjustment to the city? Which is very, very natural, Kenny. Very natural. Very natural. Reality TV talk. You live together, Kenny, remember?

[Yvonne]

And she's like, well, it's been really nice, but, like, I'm missing my girls, you know, because, like, it's weird, like, trying to make new friends, like, at this stage of life, you know? Like, I did. I did go get that pedicure with that girl named Danielle. So I guess that was something. She kept talking about an app. And, like, she kept pulling out of her lap. She kept pulling out her laptop and stuff and then saying pie chart over and over again.

[Ronnie Caram]

And we see Whitney Toler barely tolerating this pedicure scene that she had to shoot with Danielle, where Danielle. They're sitting there, and Danielle's like, oh, man. Finally, Kenny. Like, this woman is amazing, cuz. Like, this is cool. And Whitney's like, oh, so you've known him For a while or so. He's like, yeah, through Gavin. Yeah. Oh, my God. I can't believe we're having pedicures. Isn't this the best? And Whitney is like, why did. Why did they. Why did they give me the junior lawyer in the firm? I want to.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, I really wanted to be on TV again, but not this bad.

[Ronnie Caram]

Like, I've been on the Bachelor, so, like, why are they giving me, like, the. The JV level reality star of this show right now?

[Ben Mandelker]

So she's like, yeah, I was, like,

[Yvonne]

really nice with that girl. But then, like, I learned some things about her relationship I didn't realize. I mean, I thought her and Owen had been together a really long time, right? But they only started dating in April, and he's been in the process of a divorce, you know, and that can linger. And she was saying, like, it was amicable. Amicable.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then it cuts to Danielle. She's like, but then she found out about me. And, like, I think, like. Like, she's not been as friendly, you know?

[Ronnie Caram]

So Kenny's like, so, like, when did the relationship end? And did the next door neighbor come over whenever he wanted, like a great sitcom? She's like, well, I can't really remember exactly, but she did tell me that he had been kind of checked out of that relationship for a while. And Kenny's like, sounds like overlap. Stupid women.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then we go back to Lindsay and Gavin gossiping, and Gavin's like, so what do you think about Danielle's boyfriend? Are you gonna get to know him?

[Yvonne]

And she's like, that's kind of weird. Like, I don't even want to know her. So it's, like, weird if I, like, get to know him, if I don't get to know her, like, I don't

[Ben Mandelker]

want to know her.

[Ronnie Caram]

Her.

[Yvonne]

Isn't that the guy wearing an ascot in, like, the opening pictures of this show?

[Ben Mandelker]

I. I cannot take this Owen guy seriously when he shows up in his press photos wearing an ascot. I'm sorry. It killed it for me.

[Ronnie Caram]

So then Lindsay, then all of a sudden. Time for a special cameo, everyone. It's Robert, Danielle's ex. He's like, hello. Didn't realize there was a VIP in the house.

[Lindsay]

And she's like, oh, my God, it's Dave from Garfield. So nice to see you.

[Ronnie Caram]

He's like, great to see you too. And he is the head chef at Rocco's and Gavin's like, like, wow. You didn't know that Robert worked here? That's crazy. And. And so Gavin's like, okay, Lindsay, whose side are you on, Robert or Danielle's? I mean, this guy really is messy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, he really is.

[Yvonne]

And she's like, I don't, like, really talk to Danielle anymore. I got history. And, like, I keep giving her passes.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Robert's just like, yeah, I don't want to know. I do not care. I'm just trying not to ever think of that woman again.

[Yvonne]

But thanks.

[Ben Mandelker]

Enjoy the skee ball and the minis. The. The little sliders. Okay. I'm killing it.

[Ronnie Caram]

Okay, here's some bacon wrapped bacon. Enjoy yourself. I love being a chef. So, Robert, if you have anything else

[Ben Mandelker]

to say, say it to my pig tattoo.

[Lindsay]

She goes, wait, Robert, the chef here?

[Ronnie Caram]

He's like, you didn't know this, Lindsay? I mean, I was like, is this gonna be a problem? And I feel like there's a lot that I don't know.

[Lindsay]

Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of history between Danielle and I, and, like, at least once a year she does something, and then I have given her a pass. Pass after pass after pass after pass. I'm like a quarterback at this point. And she's like, asked me to go to coffee, and I was like, no,

[Yvonne]

Maybe if it was a wine. Which is what Mom's like, straight through.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, she's back to that this season, which is really funny.

[Yvonne]

It's one o', clock, baby's down. It's a wine time.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Gavin's like, so was she trying to just give you an olive branch?

[Yvonne]

She's like, I do not need an olive branch from a person. Resembles the Olive Garden. So no, thank you. That girl can take her unlimited breadsticks and hike up another tree.

[Lindsay]

Okay, I don't need an olive branch. For someone who dresses like she works at a Wells Fargo branch.

[Yvonne]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Caram]

We go back to Kenny and Whitney, and Kenny is like, you know what? It's wild to me. We've got.

[Ben Mandelker]

No offense, Natasha at Wells Fargo.

[Ronnie Caram]

I don't do my best, so I can take all the shots I want.

[Ben Mandelker]

No offense to our business account manager, Natasha at the Wells.

[Ronnie Caram]

So Kenny is like, God, Whitney, it's wild to me. We've got Danielle that's dating a guy, and the guy's still married. Lindsay, who had a baby with a guy after two months, and slut. And then Lindsay's interrogating me about us moving in together after hanging out for a year. And her and Gavin were, like, laughing and making a joke of what I was, like, going through with my mom. Oh, my God.

[Ben Mandelker]

First of all, she didn't interrogate you. She said, wow, that girl's moving here for you after just this short amount of time. Don't it up, because that's a serious thing for a woman. And now you're freaking out, and now you're gonna bring up your mother's death to use as a weapon against everybody else. That' really classy, dude.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, exactly. And as our not taker, Shelby noted that he couldn't even say that we dated for you. He was like, we just hung out for years. So how serious is this? Right?

[Ben Mandelker]

They didn't. They did. They have. They've only been together for like a month. That's. That was the point. He was like, yeah, well, I start. That was why he's mad, because they started dating. But then his mom, I guess he explains this later. His mom was going through stuff, and he's like, yeah, it was one of the stages of grief. And that's what Gavin was making fun of him. He's like, yeah, you know the stages of grief. Denial, anger around, you know, sleeping around with people. And they laughed. And now he's all offended.

[Ronnie Caram]

He's all offended. And it was actually Gavin was just making a very benign joke, I think. And. But Kenny is very sensitive about, like, being labeled a boy, because that's what boys do. They're very sensitive about their image because in order to engage in their. In the boy sciences, you have to maintain a certain image of yourself. And if that image gets damaged, then the fuck Boyery falls apart. So he is like a fuck boy.

[Ben Mandelker]

You have to look like you're willing to be a boyfriend to somebody. Keep getting girls to fuck. Okay. Yeah. And also, didn't you just tell Us last week that you have a secret feed in the Gavin's restaurant so you can tell when hot girls are there. Wouldn't want people to think you're a fuck boy.

[Ronnie Caram]

I forgot. He's like, you just rubbed me the wrong way. He goes, if anybody in this scenario knows what I went through and could have had my back, it would have been Gavin. So he talks about how his mom had cancer, which obviously very, very sad. And it was a very difficult time. And that's why he broke up with Whitney in that moment, because he just felt like he couldn't, I guess, give himself to someone else at that moment. So when he's like, you know, sometimes this can happen in dynamics of Best Friends and like, someone getting in a relationship when the another one isn't like, does he feel like you're not spending as much time with him? He's like, I don't know. And like, that's maybe why he's saying these comments. So Kenny's like, well, he's just so bad at using his words. And it's like, I would never know until something blows up. I'm like, so he's. Are you saying that he's bad? He doesn't really know how to articulate himself and how to express himself. But at the same time, you're also saying, wow, he's really using his words in a hurtful way. So which one is it? Are his words intentional or not?

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, also, he had no problem joking about. Joking about you with you and using his words and saying exactly what he meant. But you're the one sitting here crying about it and refusing to speak to him about it and trying to make up all of this. You're the one who can't use your words, can he? You big fucking baby. I cannot believe how quickly this guy became the biggest villain. And also, Bravo is just trolling us at this point.

[Yvonne]

How many.

[Ben Mandelker]

How many shows do we have right now that are just about Dick bag Men? We've got Below Deck. Wait, first of all, what's even below? Well, we've got Rhode island, which I think is. I don't think it's completely in that lane yet.

[Ronnie Caram]

Those guys aren't boys. Those are just, like, blatant cheaters.

[Ben Mandelker]

But we've got Below Deck.

[Ronnie Caram]

Old school.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, we've got Below Deck Infuriating Men. Then we've got what's on Tuesdays, Summer House West, Jesse. Then we've got Ben on this show. We've got this guy. Then we've got the Valley, which is Danny at the moment, Danny and Jesse Lolly is not. Still not out of the clear in my eyes. And then you've got. What's next?

[Ronnie Caram]

Southern hospitality is somehow showcasing the best in male behavior.

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, we've got Justin on that show, but he's somewhat well behaved right now, but he's like, so that's five shows in one week with absolute dick bag men. I mean, I. At this point, they're just like, let's. Let's just cast toxic men to piss people off.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, the good news is the McBee dynasty is coming back, so that should probably.

[Ben Mandelker]

That'll even it out.

[Ronnie Caram]

That'll fix everything up. Okay, so we go over to Lindsay's apartment. Gemma, the true star of the show. And I, you know, I will rarely ever say that about a baby, but, like, let's be honest. Gemma is the star here. She's clown.

[Ben Mandelker]

Let's be honest. You're saying that because you're terrified of Gemma already. Because I know how Lindsay can be. And you're terrified of Gemma coming up to you and telling you off and baby speak. Because she'll do it too.

[Ronnie Caram]

Good for her. Like, I think if more babies were terrifying like that, I would really enjoy them more. Like, I just need babies. Act like the gay icons they should be.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Earn some respect, you goddamn boring baby.

[Ronnie Caram]

Like an authoritative woman. That's what I love.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

So. So Gemma's climbing around and Georgina comes over with her daughter, and she's like, oh, well, I'm. I'm here. I'm sorry. I smell like Botox. Anyway. God, if there was a first aid kit for mothers, a bottle of champagne would be in there. Wine o'.

[Lindsay]

Clock. Am I right?

[Ronnie Caram]

Were there any episodes of Cougar Town on? Okay, Those Botox smell.

[Ben Mandelker]

I've never smelled Botox. This is such a funny scene to me because they're so like, okay. We're like, moms. Okay. That's our. That's our inspiration. Okay, so just come in. She's like, oh, my God. Being a mom, right?

[Yvonne]

And Lindsay's like, yeah. Like, it's wine o'. Clock. Because I'm a mom, and that's what moms do. She's like, yeah, I like wine, too, because we're moms. Yeah, Mom's like, wine.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's cracking up. Lindsay's really playing it up on this show, and it's cracking me up. So Georgina's like, oh, my God, having these kids.

[Yvonne]

Like, you're dealing with something stupid at all times. Like, one of my kids the other day they were out like coloring and

[Ben Mandelker]

it got really quiet.

[Yvonne]

And I go in there, he's colored his penis blue. I mean, idiot. Now I have to deal with this blue penis. I mean, come on.

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, I know some like non toxic organic paint. I am a mom. But still, like, probably not the best

[Yvonne]

thing to do your scrotum.

[Ronnie Caram]

Thank God she's a dermatologist.

[Lindsay]

So Lindsay's like, I mean, I look at you having two kids and I think I might be just good with a one.

[Ronnie Caram]

And, and, and she's like, yeah, one and done. You did it, right?

[Lindsay]

I mean, honestly, I don't even know how, like, I would have gotten through this without you, Georgina. Like, I couldn't have done it. Like, I mean, I don't think I don't have like, any other friends are like in similar situations, like over the summer, like, no one knew anything about dealing with what I was doing with, like, with legal and stuff. And like, no one at the summer house could even understand. Like, nobody even has kids.

[Ronnie Caram]

So basically she's talking about mediation and mediation with her ex and how they're just trying to figure out all this. You have to make all these decisions for Gemma's entire future and she's hoping that they can just get through this sooner rather than later. And it can just be like a ultimately just like a document that lives in the drawer right by the condoms,

[Lindsay]

because I'm not using those either.

[Ben Mandelker]

Just need to point out this is extremely smart of Lindsay to be doing this and we don't see this kind of thinking a lot on these shows. So I think it's important to point it out when you have a child with somebody to not just be like, oh, I just trust that you're always going to do the right thing. It's like, no, we are making a dot. We are making a legal document. You are raising this child and this is what you're going to be expected to do, period. So good for her.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. And then Georgina's like, oh, my God. It's so funny because, like, when I was going through this, like, I was still hoping, like, it would work out. And so I put into the custody agreement that like, we all had to hang out for like three hours every week. Like just have like a three hour family time. Just like forced family time. And the lawyer was like, yeah, you can't do that.

[Lindsay]

Is that crazy?

[Ronnie Caram]

So then I painted the lawyer's dick blue. I don't know why I did that. It was just weird. It was very awkward. I almost got thrown out of the office.

[Yvonne]

So, yeah, lawyer was like, you can't

[Ben Mandelker]

force somebody to hang out with you.

[Yvonne]

I tried it. I tried it.

[Ronnie Caram]

My relationship with my ex, Bobby, is in, like, a really good place right now. I mean, obviously taking a lot to get there because this is the guy who moved out on me when I was 30 weeks pregnant. Had a tolerance. Not bitter. Not bitter. Anyway, I've made a conscious effort to put that aside the hatred and just focus on what's going to be best for my kids, which apparently is wiping off the blue paint from their scrotums.

[Lindsay]

Oh, my God, I'm happy.

[Ronnie Caram]

Everything's fine.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, I'm no parent, but, you know, on a parenting show, I get to judge your parenting. Anyway. Sorry, suckers. I don't know that. Hang your children. Being around somebody that would abandon them when you're 30 weeks pregnant is great. Anyway, so I don't know that that's best for your children. Everybody says that it's best. It's best to have both parents there. Really? Have you met both of the parents? Yeah, because this jackass left when I was 30 something weeks pregnant. So. Yeah, and raising a child and raising his toddler at the same time. No, no, no, no, no, no.

[Ronnie Caram]

And then she's like. She's like. She's like, oh, my God. She's like. Sniffs like Eloise's diaper. And then like, Lindsay's like, oh, my

[Lindsay]

God, did you boo?

[Ronnie Caram]

She's like, no, she just farts a lot. So now we go over back to the Garrett Cheers. This place is Cheers. And that's the place that Gavin owns. And we've got. It's boys night. Kenny, Gavin, Andrea, Yvonne's husband, Nick, Kyle, they're all there to row it out in a very small New York City bar on the second floor in the West Village.

[Yvonne]

So Kyle's like, hey, Whitney, witnessed a boy tonight yet?

[Ben Mandelker]

Gavin's like, oh, she's witnessed a lot. That's the problem. Kenny goes, yeah, I mean, I'm cleaning my act up. So she hasn't witnessed a whole lot. But, you know, she does have an alter ego named Claire. And then we see Claire. And you guys are not going to believe this, but Claire is a white woman twerking. No one saw that one coming.

[Ronnie Caram]

Okay, but like, I love Whitney making her saucy alter ego named Claire.

[Ben Mandelker]

Claire.

[Ronnie Caram]

I mean, like, Beyonce is like, I become Sasha Fierce. Everyone's like, I become Monica. I'm become Veronica. I become, you know, like, Christina. But she's just like, I'm Claire, you

[Yvonne]

know, I have a boutique in the mall that gives preteens their first piercings. You know, it's fun. It's fun, Wild, clear for once.

[Ronnie Caram]

My name is Alexandra, but my alter ego is Jan. Like, oh.

[Ben Mandelker]

So he says that she has a really good friend group in la. So this is really hard, and it's really difficult when you're trying to introduce your girlfriend and have her welcomed by a group of girls. And there's that one girl that's causing all this drama. Like, last time we were here, Lindsay was hammering me. I'm just like, lindsay, we don't even know each other. You're coming in hot. You're such a worse. What an absolute was this guy.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, my God, I hope his parents are spending $30,000 to enroll him in the nursery school he belongs in. Why are you such a baby? This guy is like, oh, my God, there's this one girl kind of causing all the drama. It was actually, like, one comment, and it's you going around talking to everyone about, like, can you believe she said this to me? Can you believe she said this to me? You're the one who's causing the drama. Lindsay was just saying, hey, like, treat your woman right. And the fact that you are so fragile that you can't deal with a single woman who is even, like, not single, but meaning, like. Like a woman, a unique woman saying something to you is going to shatter your world like this. Like, oh, please get over it. Also, by the way, you're welcome for the drama. That's how you're employed on a TV show right now.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, this guy's a wuss. And I am loving. I can. I love that they gave Lindsay a toy because she's just gonna love chewing him up.

[Ronnie Caram]

A toxic, fragile male. It's so perfect. It's great.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Kenny's like, yeah, you know, this has been really hard. And it's like, you know. And then Gavin, you're, like, poking the fire. And Gavin's like, yeah, I was poking because we had Kenny in this, like, nice situation. I know Candy can. Kenny can handle it. What has Kenny ever done to make you think that Kenny can handle it? Do you guys really know each other? Because Kenny cannot handle it, sir.

[Ronnie Caram]

No, I don't think Gavin was sincere with that, but I think he was. He was. I think he was challenging Kenny to handle it. He was like, oh, I know you're about to try to dump this on me, but I'm gonna turn it around. Like, oh, of course Kenny can handle it. Can't you Kenny. Like, that's sort of what the undertone. I got the subtext. And Kenny's like, well, it just. It came across very judgy. And then she was making comments about, like, all men and this and that, and she just came across the wrong way. Like, she literally did not say all men unless there's something that's on the editing room floor. Like, sir, you projected that you protected your guilty conscience because you do act like a boy, and you do act like the stereotype guy. Like, douchey VC finance bro guy that gives that, like, causes all these think pieces about. About men.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, douche. So Nick's like, well, was it projecting or coming from a good place? What do you think, Nick? You think Kenny thinks it's coming from a good place? Come on, Nick. And Gavin's like, I think she was just trying girls, girl. He's like, you know what? You're rubbing me the same way, honestly, that you rubbed me that night where it was like a dog pile. And Lindsay has her little crew and her little minions, and for some reason, you're, like, standing over there with mint with Lindsay. You're supposed to be my minion, man.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, I know. I can't. Lindsay was such a monster there. She was recruiting minions. Why aren't you being my minion? Oh, God. Like, I love that. That logic there.

[Ben Mandelker]

But I love that Lindsay pinpointed this guy as a douche the second she met him. And she's like, oh, wow, this girl's moving on. First of all, the girl's moving all the way over here to be on tv. Like, let's come on. So let's call it like it is. But Lindsay's like, she's moving all this way, so that's pretty serious. You better treat her right. And he's taking it this way. And the girl's all offended, like, oh, my God, I can't believe that this woman is talking about my relationship. She doesn't know my relate. Like, Whitney gets all defensive, and then they show, like, coming next week. Whitney being like, well, I told him,

[Yvonne]

like, I moved all this way for you, and I can move out just as easily.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm like, you see?

[Yvonne]

See, dummy?

[Ronnie Caram]

Yep. Yep. So Kyle's like, oh, Gavin is used to Kenny being in a relationship, but he's. He's like. He's used to Kenny probably being in, like, a bad relationship where he's, like, unhappy, and, like, Gavin's there for him and, like, yeah, let's have a boys night. But I don't think Gavin's used to Kenny being in a relationship where he's happy, and I think that's, like, what we're dealing with here. And Gavin feels like he's about to lose his boy. Like, that may be true, but I still think that Kenny is the one who's really in the wrong here. So Kenny's like, well, maybe I'm being overprotective, overly sensitive. It's a real possibility, you know? And Andrea's like, yes, always defend your woman. He's like, yeah. And then Kenny is like, yeah. I mean, Lexi's been great, by the way. She loves Lexi. Lexi's been like, so nice. Look, they're even having a dinner right now. And it goes to Lexi and Whitney trying to shoot a scene, and there's some New York City emergency that's happening across the street. It's like fire truck after fire truck. And Lexi's like, so how are you feeling? I mean, moving in together. That's a big stop. We can't even shoot our scene.

[Yvonne]

Oh, my God, there's, like, so many fire tracks here. This is, like, crazy. Like, everyone's supposed to do. I mean, welcome to New York, I guess, right?

[Ronnie Caram]

God, New York, home of, like, fire emergencies. So it goes back to boys night. And Kenny is like, you know, we're gonna do a kind of welcome to New York party. Yeah. We're gonna throw it at a place that people hop on a train and leave New York to go to the suburbs for. It's like Grand Central. So I hope you guys come to it, because, you know, we're boys. We spend time together. I want her to feel comfortable and welcome by this group.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Kyle's like, well, listen, Amanda and I have been going through a lot, so she probably won't come. And, like, yeah, we know Kyle. She never comes. Like, yeah, she's been in, like, a no new friends headspace, so don't expect her to be nice to your girlfriend. And Andrea's like, well, you know, I'm not.

[Yvonne]

I'm team Amanda and Kyle.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, yeah. I'm trying to be receptive and open minded, but I don't know. She's like, she's waiting for me to be some do something stupid so you just leave. She did tell me she's moving out of the apartment. They're like, whoa, damn.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, she keeps talking about this for like a month or two or something like that. And Kenny's like, yo, listen, Kyle, bro. I think that speaks for itself. I am team Kyle and Amanda, but I'm also team Kyle and I'm team Amanda. And if there's not team Kyle and Amanda, you need to take space and see how it feels. And maybe it feels great for you, bro. Like, be single, man. So that way Gavin gets off my ass. Thank you.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then we go back to. Then we go to Lindsay and Yvonne in the park and they're getting ready for. Wait, no, they're just at Gramercy Park. Sorry. They show the neighborhood on the screen. I'm like, why aren't they getting ready in a park?

[Ronnie Caram]

We're gonna do our makeup in the bird fountain.

[Lindsay]

So Lindsay's like, my life last year has been like so ultra serious. And I almost feel like I'm coming out the other end. Like now I can have fun. Like one o'. Clock.

[Ronnie Caram]

And Iman's like, yeah, this is called self love. It's like, you deserve this. Like, it's time to have some fun at last. And Lindsay is saying how, you know, it's like not easy to go out in the town like she used to

[Lindsay]

because, like, Yvonne and I are hospitality girls. When I was 23, I was like running this entire city. Like, you can go up five feet without someone saying, like, how do I get into Pizza Beach? And I was opening up a club and restaurants and hotels and lounges every single month.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And so basically Yvonne is always calling to go out. And Lindsay's. We see her calling.

[Yvonne]

She's like, hi, Lindsay, can you meet me at like 11 for a drink?

[Ben Mandelker]

And she's like, no, no, I can't. And Lindsay's like. Or Yvonne's like, yeah. She's always like, I'm a mom.

[Yvonne]

I mean, that's like. She does say yes sometimes though. So, you know, I'm gonna try. I'm gonna try it.

[Lindsay]

Lindsay.

[Ronnie Caram]

There's this really cool pop up bagel place, but it always open between 1am and 3am I was thinking that we could go.

[Lindsay]

I can't go. I'm a mom.

[Ronnie Caram]

Okay. Well, there's also this like, new like bowling alley. It's called Club Club. And I just. It's opening up tonight. Do you want to go to the opening?

[Lindsay]

I can stop it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Drinks are actually half price because last week someone got hit on the head with a bowling ball on the dance floor. So had some bad press, but yeah, I wanted to try. It was built on crypto, so it's

[Lindsay]

a brutalist bowling alley.

[Ronnie Caram]

Don't you have. You always want to go to that oney.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Lindsay moves the conversation to Kenny.

[Yvonne]

She's like, oh my God, I'm so surprised. And Kenny invited because, like, he was telling Andrea that he doesn't even like me and, like, all this stuff. And I was like, why? Like, he said I pressured him to propose to his girlfriend. Like, what is he even talking about?

[Ronnie Caram]

So now we go to Danielle and Owen, and Danielle's like, I just think that there's like. Like, it's like. It's like, here's this party I'm throwing for you. So you forget that about the lack of closet space that you have in my apartment, which, by the way, I 100% agree is what this party was. There's something kind of performative about this party, about Kenny throwing, like, a welcome to New York party for her. I don't know why it feels like so, like. Like he's. He's, like, constructing an image of himself as this guy who's like, look at the beautiful things I do for her. But he's actually barely giving her any space in this apartment.

[Ben Mandelker]

I think it's performative. I think he's being tv. He's like, okay, I got this girl on the hook because she knows I'm going to be on a TV show. So now she's going to move here, and I'm going to have a filmed party for her aunt, you know? Yeah, here we go. You know, it's giving her the full experience to try and keep her.

[Ronnie Caram]

Right? So. And then no one's like, hey, when. When has my party? And she's like, you're not getting a party. So I don't. So do you think I'll. We'll ever get to a stage where I don't have just, like, one little closet? And then your stuff isn't in the living room like this? Because Danielle has, like, clothing on, like, a rack in the living room. And she's like, we don't have any space. And he's like, but I think, like, come on. I think I deserve a little bit more space. And we see he gets, like, this tiny little shelf that's, like, all his. He gets, like, a sweatshirt space, and that's it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And he's like, well, how are you feeling about tonight? Because you haven't seen Lindsay lately. And she's like, yeah, turned down. Like, she turned me down. I mean, that's the right word for it. I mean, I'm nervous. I'm anxious. There's, like, tons of history there, you know, Like, I made a pie chart about it. He's like, oh, God, not again, please. So now we go to Grand Central for Whitney's big party and everyone's dressed up and arriving and looking fabulous. And so Kenny is nice to Lindsay, so it's nice to see her and stuff, and greets her. And Lindsay and Amanda chat and Katie's with them. And so Lindsay's like, so how was your anniversary? And Amanda's like, you know, we had

[Yvonne]

a really nice time at dinner and drinks and stuff. Did you, Amanda, that's.

[Ben Mandelker]

You remember that there were cameras there, right? That looked fucking horrible.

[Ronnie Caram]

Remember how you told Kyle you were gonna move out on your anniversary dinner that you're talking about right now? Was that, that, was that the nice. Was that the nice time at dinner part? Or was it when you started talking to the guys in khakis and blue button down shirts and white T shirts and telling them how your relationship was ending? Like, what was the fun time part?

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like, I had fun. So she says, yeah, I told Kyle I'm moving out.

[Yvonne]

And I was like, oh, my God.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Yvonne]

But then I'd like explained to him that I'm just gonna find somewhere temporary, you know, like, we're not separating.

[Ben Mandelker]

We're not calling anything off.

[Yvonne]

We're just gonna see where it goes, you know, See if West ever, you

[Ben Mandelker]

know, breaks up with all the other girls he's dating.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, seriously. So now Gavin is standing with Kenny and talking to Whitney and talking about like being guest flirting versus charming or whatever. And Kenny is. Kenny is like, you're in terms of like flirting versus charming. He's like, you're chirting. Because it's like charming and flirting together. And then Gavin kisses Whitney on the cheek, which I was like, like, sir, you should not be doing that because he does that thing. He does the thing with the hand. He is a little bit too much. Like, I think that is. I, I think that's like, like the grabbing of the face and then kissing on the cheek. Actually, maybe he didn't grab Whitney's face, but either way, I feel like that is. Regardless of this whole situation, that is still your, your guy's girl. And I was like, maybe don't do that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Kissing on the cheek.

[Ronnie Caram]

No, because it's like he, he. It's like if you're talking about flirting or. I don't know, there was like a, it was not like a, oh, hi, nice to see you. It was. He, he, like, obviously Lindsay clocked it. He's like, whoa, I thought. She was like, I thought you were just about to kiss me. It just sort of. He. It's more like it's an out of context kiss that comes out of nowhere. That it's like, whoa, I just wouldn't do that to my. To my. My bros, lady.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm gonna keep my tongue out of Dom's mouth next time I see him.

[Ronnie Caram]

Something.

[Ben Mandelker]

Dom's here. So then Andrea. Andrea is whispering to Katie, oh, I brought a little surprise for Lindsay. And we see this douche that he's brought. Oh, my God. I didn't. And I saw a post on Reddit of who he was. He. He was with Kelly Dodd, right? Is that was. Was that his.

[Ronnie Caram]

Wasn't he the milkman of Lisa Barlow Milkman infamy, Lisa Barlow, milk man.

[Ben Mandelker]

Why do I not remember that?

[Ronnie Caram]

Remember the garden party? It's like, why don't you go back to your milkman? Wasn't that a thing? Wait, Lisa Barlow, go back to your milk. Am I crazy? Am I just mixing things up? The phrase. Okay, the free the milkman mix up is this. Oh, you're right. Wait. Oh, that's right. Kelly Dodd did go on a date with this milkman guy. But I thought there was something with Lisa Barlow. Oh, soup man. Sorry, everyone.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, okay. Thank you. Yeah, that I remember.

[Ronnie Caram]

Sounds like. I remember that there was like a milk man, but I didn't remember. That was Kelly Dodd.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, Frank went out with Kelly Dodd. She took him to watch what happens live. And yeah, if you look it up, Kelly Dodd's milkman, Frank Acosta.

[Ronnie Caram]

Wow.

[Ben Mandelker]

I forgot that he was the milkman, though.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh.

[Ben Mandelker]

But I did recognize him. And I looked up Frank Acosta. I could not find him anywhere. There's like a gaffer or something named Frank Acosta, but I couldn't find him. And I was like, I know the face. Is he from Bachelor? Because he does have that kind of older but like completely bowling bally. Bowling ball, you know, what am I trying to say? When they shine the bowling balls, he's got that kind of face, which. Which by the way, that's my goal. But yeah, there was something just like when he. He figure about him or like he just looks like. He looks like beef jerky, but well polished beef jerky.

[Ronnie Caram]

He looks like like wax fruit. Like, like you put on the table, right? Or like, yeah, if the fruit was

[Ben Mandelker]

a piece of bacon.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, it's like sugar glazed bacon. And so I sort of recognized him. And then when he said that he started a milk and dairy company, I was like, we've met. Met a milk and dairy person before on Bravo. I was like, I could sworn. So then I was thinking milkman, and I was like, aha, Lisa Barlow. And I was so proud of myself. But of course, how could I, how could I be so foolish? Lisa Barlow was with a soup man. Allegedly. Not a milk.

[Ben Mandelker]

With Kelly the dodo. Okay, so, yeah, that's. That's Frank just still trying it with the reality show. So he's back and Andrea wants to

[Yvonne]

hook him up with Lindsay. So it's like, I think two people are amazing and they're single.

[Ben Mandelker]

You try to get them together, you

[Yvonne]

know, Frank remembered Lindsay. He even remembered the color dressy wore.

[Ben Mandelker]

Is that supposed to be romantic or that he's just not a.

[Ronnie Caram]

I know.

[Ben Mandelker]

Is that crazy to remember the color of someone's dress?

[Ronnie Caram]

This guy also went on a date with Kelly Dodd. So. So then Lindsay is like, so where

[Lindsay]

are you from originally?

[Ronnie Caram]

He's like, Michigan. And I moved to New York and I started a milk and dairy company.

[Yvonne]

Wow.

[Lindsay]

Milk and dairy. And Lindsay tells us, Frank is so hot.

[Ronnie Caram]

I'm like, he's dressed like he's doing night at the Roxbury, but that's fine. And he's like, so I don't like to party. Party. Do you?

[Lindsay]

She's like, oh, no, those days are gone. I have a 10 month old baby. And she's like the most perfect baby on earth. She's like the. She was like the milk version of baby, right?

[Ronnie Caram]

Okay, I'm trying to speak to you.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's asking if you have coke. Okay. Are we this. Have we had a baby for this long? Lindsay. She's like, yeah.

[Yvonne]

Oh my God. It's been so long since I've been flustered and like this. I'm like sweating.

[Ben Mandelker]

Lindsay, come on.

[Ronnie Caram]

Not with this guy. So then she goes up to the other girls and she's like, oh my God.

[Lindsay]

Like, like Andrea brought this guy to talk to me and he's like, I'm like drinking espresso martini and eating cheese and meats and like my breath is so bad I need to spray something in my mouth. Oh my God.

[Ronnie Caram]

And I was like, don't worry. I got this at a new bar called, called Banaka. It's like got these amazing. They've got these dollar drafts that are in the shape of a boot, but they're also. They also. You can spray Banaka beer in your. Just drink. Just take this baka beer.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Danielle arrives and Lindsay's like, ew, gross. And looks away. Lindsay's so mature. So she's trying to make conversation and ignore Danielle. And Danielle just comes up and says hi.

[Yvonne]

And she's like, hello.

[Ben Mandelker]

Gives her a little hug, but then she immediately walks away. Away?

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah.

[Lindsay]

She's like, oh, hi.

[Ronnie Caram]

Then she walks as she pretends as if she didn't see Danielle. So then Lindsay is like.

[Lindsay]

She's like, what's going on right now?

[Ronnie Caram]

And Yvonne's like, yeah, what? What is going on?

[Lindsay]

She's like, well, Daniel just, like, shone up and give me a kiss on the cheek to say hi.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's like, yeah, you're in a party. This is what people do each other. So then Danielle is, like, really upset. She's like, wow. Like, she stiffed me for, like, wanting to go out to cop for a coffee and chat. And now she, like, can't even say, like, two sentences to me. I just feels a stranger to her now. Like, it just sucks.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Danielle, I would feel for you, but you're not making any of this effort until the cameras start rolling. Like, there's been a. You haven't been on Summer House for a while. There was some time here that has elapsed that you've been fine with it until the TV cameras were back up and you need an ally. Sorry, sister.

[Ronnie Caram]

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[Lindsay]

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[Ronnie Caram]

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[Ben Mandelker]

So Danielle's, like, sad about it, and Kyle is chatting with friends about missing his mullet. Yikes. And Amanda is complaining that Kyle keeps walking right past her. Well, how's that different from the past 10 years.

[Ronnie Caram]

But also like, I guess she's. She wants to be. She wants to be courted right now, but it's kind of like I'm moving out. Wait, pay attention to me.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, exactly.

[Ronnie Caram]

So. So then Nick is talking to Kyle about the mullet Etc. And finally he's like. Because, like, oh, wait, there's Amanda. I should probably say hi. Oh, yeah.

[Lindsay]

Hey.

[Ronnie Caram]

Hey, Amanda. What's going on? This place is busy. Wow. Train station. Am I right? Isn't it crazy? And she's like, wow. I'm like, why didn't you say hi to me? He's like, I thought we were separate. I guess I walked by you. Whatever.

[Lindsay]

Well, I heard your voice right behind me.

[Ronnie Caram]

I was like, oh, Kyle's here. I could feel the vibration in the chest of you talking. I was like, oh, God. Kyle's. I'm like, so what do you want out of this experience right now?

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, you're.

[Ronnie Caram]

You're like, why didn't you come over? Why didn't you come and say hi to me? So I could complain about how you're here?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes. I could diss you. Oh, God. We also have to mention that we just. We're recording this after we just recorded, you know, two and a half hours on the Summer House finale where Amanda was just unbearable. So that's part of this. I know we're like, off Amanda, but. Yeah, neither one, as usual, neither one of them are really putting forth the effort that's ever going to make this work.

[Yvonne]

So she's like, did you feed the dogs?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Yvonne]

Did you take them out?

[Ben Mandelker]

No. You fed the dogs but didn't take them out? Look, Amanda sucks on that reunion, but come on, Kyle, who feeds the dogs and doesn't take them out? That's literally insane. Anybody with a dog knows that's not how that works. You feed a dog, they immediately poop. Okay.

[Ronnie Caram]

I just really miss having the ongoing mess around. So I just let him poop on the floor. I just got used to you. What can I say? So Kenny is like, guys, guys, guys, gather round. I want to make. I want to give a toast to Whitney. This is her welcome to New York party. She is the best person that I know and the best person in my life, and I'm so excited to be dragging her across the country to New York. So anyone who might think that I'm not going to treat her well without a commitment is a crazy person. So get out of my face. Cheers to Whitney. And you get no closet space.

[Yvonne]

And I came on the. And I Came on the subway. He's like, wow.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yes.

[Ben Mandelker]

She took the subway for the first. Get the out of here. You're in Grand Central Station. This is not the way to ingratiate your girlfriend to everybody.

[Ronnie Caram]

I know.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, welcome to New York.

[Yvonne]

I took a subway.

[Ben Mandelker]

Everyone there is, like, hick.

[Ronnie Caram]

I know. Although, by the way, I. I actually went to this bar, like, about a year ago, and it was a very, very cool bar. So I don't. I don't have to say, if you're in Grand Central, go check it out.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I just meant, like, saying, like, wow, I'm on a subway. Like, you're literally in a train station.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, like, you're like, you don't get an award for being running this in New York City.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, that bar, when it came out, I remember reading articles about it. It had a lot of, like, gorgeous pictures and stuff from it.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, I went there with our friends Michelle and Lauren, and they had excellent martinis. So then, well, might want to call

[Ben Mandelker]

those girls, because we're coming home.

[Lindsay]

We're babies coming home.

[Ronnie Caram]

See, everyone in Grand Central coming home.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, we need to have a hangout night. Have we planned that? I know that we're at work right now, but we need to plan that. I need to see them.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, we will.

[Ben Mandelker]

Thank you.

[Ronnie Caram]

You're welcome.

[Ben Mandelker]

Carry on with your job.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, yeah, they're gonna come to the show on Friday, so we'll probably hang out with them on Friday at the very least.

[Ben Mandelker]

That does not count.

[Ronnie Caram]

I know, but, like, after the show, you know, we'll just make our social plans here in the middle of this. So then, anyway, so he makes a speech. Okay. And then Kyle starts talking to Danielle, and good old.

[Lindsay]

This is.

[Ronnie Caram]

We've been so distracted with this whole scandal that we forgot that some of the bullshit that Kyle gets up to, he's like, hey, Danielle, did you and Lindsay get to. Did you get. Did you get. Did you and Lindsay get the lace memo because you're both wearing lace? She's like, no. Oh, we don't talk.

[Ben Mandelker]

How would we get a memo? Although I love memos. He's like, sorry, I didn't mean to trigger you. Can we talk? Let's talk about this, because we're on TV now. I got to keep this shit rolling.

[Ronnie Caram]

Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Kenny's like, oh, fill me in all the tidbits, because I got a bone to pick as well off Kenny.

[Ronnie Caram]

Okay, guess what?

[Lindsay]

We'll. We'll.

[Ronnie Caram]

We'll fill you in on the tidbits the moment you stop saying things. Like, fill me in on the tidbits.

[Ben Mandelker]

Seriously. So Kyle's with Daniela. He's like, all right. You know, in an alternative universe. I was joking. You and Lindsay could have coordinated a little late. Did you get it? I was like, I was joking. I just want to make sure you got it.

[Ronnie Caram]

Listen, I didn't mean to be, like, insensitive. I know the lace thing is a. Is an issue. You know, it's your favorite fabric, but I'm trying to broker a common ground. Can I be on spin off? Someone say something about common ground? Kyle, get out of here. Not on the show, okay? We're too close knit, sort of like lace itself, for there to be awkwardness. She's like, yeah, well, clearly not. Well, I just. Just, like, confront her now and squash it. You own it. She owns it. And absolutely nothing else that happens in this little conversation will make it 10 times worse. Okay, so just talk about it right now.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, but she literally texted me that summer, and she said, like, you said something punk. Punchy. He's like, oh, well, the beach was harsh. And then we see the beach where Lindsay's like, yeah, yeah.

[Yvonne]

So, you know, I'm moving into this

[Ben Mandelker]

place, and Daniel's like, you don't even live with him, and you're having a whole baby with him.

[Ronnie Caram]

That is harsh. But it's also like, something Lindsay, I feel like, would say to someone as well, so.

[Ben Mandelker]

Exactly. That's kind of what she just did to the other guy. So it's like, well, why is Lindsay so pissed? But that wasn't all that Danielle did Did. That's just all they put in the clip. I mean, Danielle and Lindsay had been downhill for. They have, like, what, two summers at that point?

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. They have such a dysfunctional relationship now. So Kyle's like, well, that beach was harsh. And, like, now she has all sorts of opinions about you. And now you've carried yourself. And like, I think Lindsay said, I don't want to say the word slut. Oh, wait. I don't want to say the word obnoxious. Was the phrase harlot? No, like moral.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I don't want to say the word shaming. So I'll the word slut. Disapproving. Okay, she's disapproving of you.

[Ronnie Caram]

Slut. I don't think she said the phrase worst person in the world. And yes, I am including people who are in office. No, that wasn't the phrase she said. What was. What does she say, lady?

[Ben Mandelker]

And the.

[Yvonne]

Come on, it's coming to me.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's coming to me. It's coming to me.

[Ronnie Caram]

Something about, like, Puddle of Ooze. I would rather hang out with that clown from the movie. It. No, she didn't say that. That.

[Ben Mandelker]

And we see a flashback to Lindsay

[Yvonne]

telling him before Carl and I got engaged, she gave him a hand job in the back of an Uber a week after we broke up.

[Ben Mandelker]

But I don't remember the history here. Didn't Danielle date Carl? Like, they were all hanging out as friends. Then Danielle dated Carl, but then that didn't work out. And then Lindsay took Carl for a ride, and that didn't work out. And then Danielle hooked up with Carl again, and then Lindsay got back together with Carl, and then they became, like, official, right?

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. And I think it's kind of crazy to, like, go all the way back to that hand job because they were all being messy that summer. All of them were. And Carl deserves as much blame for whatever this was as Danielle would. And I don't know, they're just all being one big, messy crew. And so, like, if Lindsay is upset that Danielle violated girl code by doing that, I think Danielle also has a right to be upset at Lindsay. Lindsay for violating girl code there too, I suppose. I don't know. I don't even care.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's not even about that. About that. She's making it about that because she doesn't want to say what it really is, which is Danielle said that she was moving too fast with Carl and that that whole relationship needed to slow down because neither of them was in a place where they needed to be getting married. And Lindsay got pissed off that Danielle wasn't supporting her. And now Danielle turned out to be completely right about that. So Lindsay doesn't want to say that because is she's pissed about something that Danielle turned out to be right about. Even if Danielle could have been more supportive in that moment.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. You know, but what's also funny is that, like, when. When Lindsay was listing all the things that, you know, that, like Daniel, how Danielle was not supportive of her in the past or was not a great friend, the hand job thing was, like, a small bullet point. And the fact that that's the thing that Kyle latched onto and now has elevated. And now it's like, well, she basically was calling you a slut for it. I was like, that was. Lindsay was definitely not. I don't think Lindsay was doing that. I think she was saying Lindsay. She was saying Danielle was not being considerate to be. But all. I mean, like, Kyle is like, his takeaway is like, hand job. Oh, she calls you a, by the way.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So he's like, well, the word boy crazy has come up. And she's like, oh, my God, are you kidding me? Are you out of your mind bringing this to me? And he's like, don't. Don't shoot the messenger. She's like that. Like, what do you expect me to do? Like, what do you think is going to come from that, Kyle? Like, now I'm supposed to walk up to her and be like, hey, can

[Yvonne]

we have a conversation?

[Ben Mandelker]

No, I'm not doing that.

[Ronnie Caram]

The way he just totally destroyed that entire situation is hilarious.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, she knows exactly what he's doing it because he's been doing this producer thing for 10 years. And she's like, enough, sir.

[Ronnie Caram]

So now Georgina is talking to Andrea and Frank and Georgina, okay, either you're a terrible liar or a terrible dermatologist, because she goes, wow, you're so tan. Which means that you were out of. You were out in the sun without sunscreen, but I'll let it pass. But, you know, like, you know, you're. You look. It looks good. You look. You're. You're looking good. And he's like, yeah. And she. They basically like, wow, he has such good skin. I'm like, he does not have good skin.

[Ben Mandelker]

Looks like a baseball glove. What are you guys talking about? So Lindsay goes over to grab Kenny for a chat, and she's like, first

[Yvonne]

of all, lovely, Barney.

[Ben Mandelker]

Lovely.

[Yvonne]

Please be.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like, okay, thank you. Thank you for coming.

[Yvonne]

Well, thank you for inviting me. I did hear that you felt grilled by me at the G, right? You felt grub of the girl.

[Ronnie Caram]

He's like, that's correct. I felt like you were grilling me because you were a woman asking a man a question. And so in my book, that counts as a cross examination. And I did not appreciate that.

[Ben Mandelker]

If that were a courthouse and you were the judge, I would have asked for a different judge. So.

[Yvonne]

But was it just me?

[Ben Mandelker]

And he's like, you were recruiting people.

[Yvonne]

I didn't recruit people.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's like, literally. You were like, literally, come over here.

[Yvonne]

She's like, I was asking you questions because that's how to get to know somebody. And this is who I am. Like, I just asked. Like, I asked. I question everyone in my life, and I'm like, a very curious person, and I want to get to know everyone's interpersonal relationships.

[Ben Mandelker]

And he's like, yeah, well, it was. Wish it felt genuine like that. You know, you think that line of questioning Was normal. And everybody just rolling in and piling in on poor little Kenny.

[Lindsay]

She's like, it's normal in my life

[Ronnie Caram]

with all of my friends, which I think she sort of. She emphasizes that, like, you're in my group now. So Kenny's like, was it normal? Is it? Well, I love that for you and your friends because it seems like you have a lot of disagreements with a lot of people. She's like. He goes, yeah, it's just like a. It's just like drama, drama, drama, drama. And it just feels like you're creating these narratives that are just, like, unnecessary. She talked. She asked you questions, and she moved on with her life. And she was, like, drinking wine with Devon and, like, playing with her baby. You're the one who went around to Whitney and then to all the bros of bro night to be like, whoa, she's a man hater. Why does she ask these questions?

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow.

[Ronnie Caram]

She seems unhappy in her life. You literally caused this drama, and it came back to her, and she came here to actually. Actually to squash it. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

You're creating narratives that don't exist, which is exactly what you're saying she's doing. You're saying she said that you're, like, expecting that girl to be engaged or whatever. You're saying that she's saying all this stuff that she never even said. Dude, she asked you a question. And also, her having problems with everybody. A, that's true. Because it's Lindsay. B, you have a problem with Lindsay, and you have a problem with your own best friend. And that's only an episode two. So who are you pointing fingers at? Okay. Every time you point, you better look, because you got three fingers pointing back at yourself and one thumb pointing at the bathroom.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yep. And I love that she does not cower. I love. This is classic Lindsay. She is like, she's so good dealing with people like this. Like, this is her bread and butter or our douchebags like this. And she's like, no, I call out

[Lindsay]

truth and facts, and I'm sorry that you don't like hearing the truth.

[Ronnie Caram]

And he's like, you're grilling me about moving a girl across the country after knowing her for a year. And you had a kid with a guy after two months, it's like, sir, the kid is the. In many ways, the kid is the commitment, and there's no commitment commitment on your end.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I mean, I see what he's saying, but he's just so sensitive about what she's saying. She's not saying the stuff he thinks she's saying. Saying, you know, he thinks she's saying, like, what is this girl crazy for moving in with you? That's nuts. She's not. She's just saying, that's so fast for her to be moving. You better treat her well. That's it. It's not like, this huge thing. But I love that she won't even explain it to him like that because he's getting attitude with her, and she is not about to take that from somebody. So she, like, puts that aside, and it's like, oh, you. I'll explore you then.

[Ronnie Caram]

Idiot. Well, also, the thing is with Lindsay and Turner is that I really got the sense. Sense that that relationship was kind of like, well, hopefully this works out, but we both want to have a child, so let's have a child.

[Ben Mandelker]

Although, yeah, Lindsay was like, I think

[Ronnie Caram]

it was still a surprise, but I still think, like, ultimately, like, her needs were met. She's like, I want to have a child.

[Ben Mandelker]

She said very clearly, I'm gonna have a child, and if I. It works out with this man, it works out. If it doesn't, it doesn't. I'm here for the baby.

[Ronnie Caram]

You know, it fulfilled everything that she needed, which is why it's like, when he tries to throw it in her face, it's like, it's. It was. It seems like it was perfectly on her terms.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

And so Kenny is like, well, the problem is, don't project your insecurities on my relationship. I mean, Kenny, it's. It's crazy because he is actually doing the thing that they say narcissists do, which is they take everything that they are guilty of and everything that you accuse them of, and they turn them around and put them onto the other people. And he's literally doing that right here on her. Like, she was not projecting any insecurities. She's. He was the one who literally dug up this narrative and created it, and now he's gonna accuse her of projecting insecurities.

[Ben Mandelker]

Darvo deny attack, reverse victim and offender.

[Ronnie Caram]

Wow. Not know about that. Darvo, is that, like, the brat diet? Bananas, rice. Forget what the A stands for. And toasts daiquiris. Apples, bananas. What is the A?

[Ben Mandelker]

So he's. She's like. She's like, it sounds like you're judging me. And he's like, no, I just. I just don't need to be pressed on my commitment level. And she's like, this guy acts like he knows who I am, but he doesn't know. But I know a narcissist man when I see one. So, Whitney, good luck. And he's like, you just asked me about bringing someone across the country without a ring. She's like, no, I didn't. And go, stop with the narrative nonsense.

[Yvonne]

And she goes, what I said was. And maybe you're not remembering was, wow, she moved across the country for you without putting a ring on her finger? That shows commitment.

[Ronnie Caram]

Because that's a normal occurrence.

[Lindsay]

Because that shows. No, it's not. I have multiple girlfriends that would never do that without a ring on their finger.

[Ronnie Caram]

He goes, well, that's a you thing. And then we see, like, all the people are, like, watching, like, oh, my God. Oh, my God.

[Lindsay]

Oh, my God.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, my God.

[Commercial Narrator]

God.

[Ronnie Caram]

Whitney's like, like, obviously, like, I want to stand up for, like, my man for, like, the relationship. And, like, that's why I stepped into that conversation at the Garrett when you guys were.

[Lindsay]

When you went.

[Ronnie Caram]

When you weren't there, you know? And Amanda's like, yeah, but I don't

[Lindsay]

think she's questioning your relationship. I think that she just wants what's best for you. And I think that she's just, like, trying to protect you.

[Yvonne]

But why is she trying to protect me? Like, when we know what we're doing and, like, that's, like, our own decisions.

[Ronnie Caram]

Whitney can tell you're an idiot because

[Ben Mandelker]

you seem dumb as a box of chocolates, okay? You're the kind of dumb that you take off the lid, and you don't even know what kind of dumb you're gonna get this day. You know? You just have to roll with it.

[Ronnie Caram]

You were like the box of chocolates from Forest Gump, except it's, like, not about chocolates. It's, like, the type of dumb. Like, you never know what kind of dumb you're gonna get.

[Ben Mandelker]

Exactly. Like, the girl's dumbest box of chocolates. You don't know if you're getting nutty this day or just completely empty inside.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. Lindsay's like, I am offering my services pro bono to be your attorney. That's why I'm doing this. So Georgina's like, oh, well, you know what? You know what? She's just a mom, and she's just a mama bear. It's just her personality. Don't worry about it. And then Kenny is like, I just think you have drama that follow. Follows you around everywhere you go.

[Lindsay]

It's like, well, like, I don't have time for drama.

[Yvonne]

I don't care for that.

[Ronnie Caram]

He's like, well, think about it. You're in the middle of A fight with me in the middle of Whitney's welcome to New York party. Is that dramatic? I'm like, she called you over to squash something and then she called you

[Ben Mandelker]

over to smooth it over. You started a fight. So you're right. Yes, it is dramatic and you are the drama queen.

[Ronnie Caram]

And then Lindsay goes, well, you're the

[Lindsay]

one that's fighting with me.

[Ronnie Caram]

He goes, okay, thank you for inviting me. And she walks away.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's like, glad you came. Oh, God, I can't wait to just see his life get turned upside down on this show because she is gonna railroad and this girl wish Whitney's not. Please say she's not dumb enough to stay with him. She doesn't seem very bright, but God, hope she's brighter than this. I hope that Whitney, you know, because it's obviously going to be terrible. This guy's horrid. So hopefully it's horrid. I mean, I don't hope for her that it's horrid, but it's obviously going to be. So hopefully we go through that and then she gets the storyline of like, now I'm just the girl who moved to this city for a guy, but now I'm going to stay for the relationships. And now we're going to watch Whitney season of like becoming single because this guy sucks. So Amanda is talking to Lindsay now about looking. Oh, no. Now they go for an apartment tour. By the way, these are not Airbnbs that Amanda's looking for. No, Amanda is walking into a full ass apartment that's going to require a lease. Amanda never planned on this being. I don't care what she's saying.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, never. So they're looking at places with Lindsay and this lady and she's looking for a furnished month and more outdoor space. Doorman, sunlight. I was like, wow, that's a lot.

[Ben Mandelker]

And she's like, yeah, the last apartment I looked at before moving in with Kyle, our budget was next to nothing. So she's talking about before Kyle. I took this wrong when I watched it and I thought she was saying my first apartment with Kyle was nothing. And I was like, that's not true. Kyle was rich back then too.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, he was.

[Ben Mandelker]

They got a banging apartment back then. But she's not. She was talking, I guess, about a roommate. So they're looking at this place and Lindsay's asking if she's talked to her parents about this. And she's like, no, I don't want

[Yvonne]

to make them worried.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, you don't want to hear the I told you so. And stop your best friend's boyfriend.

[Ronnie Caram]

And then Amanda tells a really weird story from her childhood. She's like, I hate change so much. Like, when I was younger, I handcuffed myself to our cast iron railings in our house. House. Because my parents wanted to get beautiful new solid wooden ones and I didn't

[Lindsay]

want them to change them. But at that point, whatever I'm going through has been enough and I need to make a bigger change.

[Ronnie Caram]

So you've just always had terrible tastes, that's what you're saying? You're fighting over wooden spindles? Yeah. She's like, let me handcuff myself to this heavy, awful thing. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to. Wasn't trying to fat shame West. I meant more like it was a sinking.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, no, I took it. Listen, we both watch hdtv. I. I took that as spindle. Spindle shame.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. I wasn't. It wasn't. When I said heavy, I meant in terms of like, this thing is going to drag you down. Not. It wasn't any mention. It wasn't a shaming.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, he's not fat, so he's not.

[Ronnie Caram]

But I mean, someone. People could have thought I was saying it like that, and I. I wasn't.

[Ben Mandelker]

I will say straight up for spindles. Okay. Spindles shaming is still legal for now.

[Ronnie Caram]

This is. This is a pure old. This is banister shaming.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

But also, how did she get access when she was little? How did she get access to handcuffs to attach herself?

[Ben Mandelker]

I was. That's what. That was my question. I was like, where did handcuffs come from?

[Ronnie Caram]

Were they toy handcuffs or something? Like, what? How did this happen?

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know. So this is weird. The story is weird, basically. And she's like, but I just want to be happy.

[Yvonne]

I want to be with someone that, like, adores me and possibly four other girls at the same time. Lindsay's like, well, he needs to understand that you're going to lose her if you don't get it together, Kyle.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. So now we go to Kyle FaceTiming his mom. I love his mom. And she's like, wow.

[Lindsay]

Well, it's been a while.

[Ronnie Caram]

Dad just got a pre cancerous melanoma removed. And so that's going to come out. We're just hoping for a better 2026.

[Ben Mandelker]

Good.

[Yvonne]

2026.

[Ronnie Caram]

Come back here.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's actually like, yeah, you know, they're going to have a procedure to remove it tomorrow. You know, terrible cancer and kind of like, all right, yeah, that's terrible, Mom. Dad's cancer and everything. All right, here's what's going on with Amanda. Geez. Can you give your dad a moment?

[Ronnie Caram]

He's like, yeah, we had a rough summer, and we've kind of been in a place, this place before. Even when we. Dad, A good summer quickly falls apart. Like, we don't do anything together. I mean, I'm like, let's do pickleball. Let's do kickball. Let's do basketball, football. Like. Like, let's. How about not sports? He's like, all she wants to do is shop. Like, well, like, maybe offer something other than pickleball.

[Ben Mandelker]

But this is literally their whole relationship. I don't understand why they're acting like this stuff between each other is all new. I mean, Kyle has wanted. Remember when Kyle's like, my whole family goes skiing. That's what we do.

[Yvonne]

And Amanda's like, I hate skiing, and he makes me ski.

[Ben Mandelker]

And he's like, but that's all I enjoy doing with my family. She won't even try.

[Yvonne]

And she's like, because I hate it.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like, you guys have always been so miserable. But, you know, Kyle's upset because he's like, she's finally leaving and she's separating. She's moving out. And he's kind of crying. And then the mom starts crying and she's like, oh, I just didn't. You know, I want this to be. I want you guys to be happy and this isn't good for you. And I was like, good for you, Jane, because this is kind of the diff. This is a good mom scene. You know, we haven't had a ton of those on Bravo lately. I was like, I hope Sharon's watching this.

[Ronnie Caram]

This was a really good mom scene. And I did like that when she said, you know, think of dad. He was in a 10 year marriage and he knows what it's like to be stuck and he had two kids. I think she was basically saying, it's not too late. Go on. Flourish, spread.

[Ben Mandelker]

It is interesting that the dad was in a 10 year marriage and left it. He left the wife and then he ended up finding his love of his life. So.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, see, didn't they have like a cheating scandal, the Kyle's mom and dad?

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know because she's wording it the way she's wording it now. She said he had a 10 year marriage, then he got out of it and that left him free to come and find me, so. Or that gave me a chance to, you know, find Him. So I don't know.

[Ronnie Caram]

Either way, I thought it was a nice scene. And the mom's really crying, and it was. It was sweet because she just. She just wants Kyle to be happy and. God, I would love to. I just want to crash their family reunion because, you know, that entire family just gets wasted. They just.

[Lindsay]

Just.

[Ronnie Caram]

They go on to, like, Lake Winnipesaki. They're playing, you know, Jimmy Buffett or Fish or something, and they're grilling and they're just getting drunk as a family up there in New Hampshire.

[Ben Mandelker]

God. Yeah. They're partying for sure. That family.

[Ronnie Caram]

They're like a fun family, you know, They're a fun family. And then mom puts out good food.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Oh, gosh. Well, the city. That's something. That's a lot of Carol and Amanda relationship talk today. Good Lord. Well, at least tomorrow we're on to the. The glorious, beautiful relationships of the valley.

[Ronnie Caram]

Seriously. Well, everyone, thank you so much for being here. We love having you here on this big, epic summer house and in the city day. And we will catch you all tomorrow. Bye, everyone.

[Ben Mandelker]

Bye.

[Ronnie Caram]

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