#3388 RHOA S17E9 Part Two: Sasquatch What Happens

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Episode #3388: RHOA S17E9 Part Two - "Sasquatch What Happens"
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Date: June 1, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode dives head-first into all the delicious messiness of The Real Housewives of Atlanta Season 17, Episode 9. Ben and Ronnie revel, mock, and dissect the ongoing feuds, over-the-top moments, and reality TV absurdities with their signature blend of sharp wit and Bravo super-fandom. Key storylines include Portia and K. Michelle’s tentative truce, a jaw-droppingly petty Drew Sidora team meeting, and a showdown between Angela and Shamia—complete with some of the most epic shade of the season.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Portia & K. Michelle: Can They Work It Out?

• Conflict Mediation ([01:45]): The hosts recount efforts by castmates to get Portia and K. Michelle to reconcile. Angela is encouraged to make peace with Shamia, while flashbacks expose previous drama involving Pinky monopolizing conversations.
  • Quote – Jesse: “Pinky just starts talking and then she just does not shut up. Gosh, I've never been accused of that.” ([02:31])
  • Michelle (laughing): “Who are we to judge? It's a 20-hour recap recording.” ([03:06])
• On Delivering Shade ([04:07]):
  • Angela’s confessional blurs the line between biting and cringey:
    • Jesse: “Angela even says in her confessional… ‘I mean, I've tried to reach out to Shamina. I mean, Shamessa. I mean, sh. Liar. I mean sh. Stupid face. I mean, sh. Like bad parallel Parker. Am I right, guys?’”

2. Kelly’s $70,000 Dental Upgrade & Sugar Daddy Discourse

• Reality Check: Teeth vs. Priorities ([04:39]-[09:49]):
  • Discussion about Kelly’s extravagant new teeth (funded by Jarvis) sparks a broader riff on gender, dating, and sugar daddies in both the straight and gay worlds.
    • Michelle: “How do you date somebody for a couple of months and they're buying you $70,000 worth of teeth? I mean, I can barely get a fucking chocolate croissant out of a man.” ([04:39])
    • Jesse: “Usually guys that are getting with the sugar daddy… they’ve already done the work. It’s not like Kelly is some runt.” ([07:46])
  • The hosts hilariously dissect how “bad veneers” and plastic surgery are open to judgment, ruminating on infamous Bravo dental disasters.
• Love Bombing Red Flags? ([14:29]):
  • Jesse flags Jarvis’s over-the-top gestures: “He’s already giving love bombing feelings... It’s so presentational for TV.” ([14:29])

3. Drew Sidora’s Team Meeting: 20 Assistants, Infinite Chaos

• Absurdity Unleashed ([17:57]-[36:17]):
  • Drew claims to need 20 assistants on her artistic journey (“Get an iPhone!” quips Michelle). The hosts skewer the assembled cast of characters—Ozone the photographer (“Don’t stand on the wrong side of Ozone!”), Kian the no-nonsense manager, sniping stylists, and assistants with reality TV ambitions.
    • Jesse: “She’s trying to fake it till you make it. I’ve got this whole team, now I feel like an A-lister...” ([21:43])
  • The scene devolves into full-on camp as Walter (the hairstylist), Danny (the driver/assistant), and Freedom (assistant and “voice of reason”) launch into a glorious, petty spat about professionalism, hairlines, and allegiances.
    • Notable Insult — Freedom to Danny: “You’re looking like a double stuffed Oreo, baby. You need to eat less.” ([34:50])
  • Michelle: sums up the spectacle: “Honestly, they all should be fired. Clearly, Drew was angling to do a spinoff here, and I think she succeeded.” ([34:24])

4. Portia & K. Michelle’s Rainy Restaurant Sit-down

• Thunder, Apologies, and Toe Shade ([36:26]-[42:16])
  • Their outdoor lunch is set to thunder and downpour—a “sign from God,” K. Michelle claims.
    • Jesse: “I love… if there’s thunder, to be like, Oh, it’s a sign. But I don’t think God was saying ‘be a bigger person.’” ([37:21])
  • The women awkwardly bridge their feud (sitting diagonally, no less), with Portia apologizing… only for K. Michelle to air grievances about rumors, including one about her long toes.
    • Michelle: “Now she's mad because someone says... her toes are long. So what? Who cares? How's that a plot?” ([42:03])
  • The hosts roast the manufactured nature of the drama and the superfluous evidence marshaled against Drew.

5. Angela vs. Shamia: The Sasquatch Showdown

• Shade Olympics & Kebab Comedy ([43:53]-[52:11]):
  • The jaw-dropping shade begins before Shamia even sits down.
    • Michelle (as Shamia): “Do you have someone in here with big hands and big feet? Because I'm supposed to meet her.” ([43:54])
  • The heated exchange is routinely interrupted by the world’s bravest kebab waitress.
    • Michelle: “The waitress did the heavy lifting. Every time they'd scream, she'd come up and be like, hi, how are you doing?” ([45:23])
  • Memorable insult cascade covers:
    • Shamia: “You shouldn't be wearing your white heels.”; “I'm not gonna continue with Sasquatch... sasquatch enough to walk over your ass.” ([50:27])
    • Angela: “I never laid on my back to get on my feet. That's what you do.” ([49:39])
    • Jesse: “She called me Sasquatch. Girl, you sleep with Sasquatch every night. Tell your husband to look in the mirror!” ([51:57])
  • Both hosts agree: Angela wins this round handily.

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Notable Quotes

On Pinky’s Combativeness:

• Jesse: “Pinky just starts talking and then she just does not shut up. Gosh, I've never been accused of that.” ([02:31])

On Gender and Getting Spoiled:

• Michelle: “How do you date somebody for a couple of months and they're buying you $70,000 worth of teeth? I mean, I can barely get a fucking chocolate croissant out of a man.” ([04:39])

On Team Drew’s Catfight:

• Freedom (to Danny): “You’re looking like a double stuffed Oreo, baby, you need to eat less.” ([34:50])
• Jesse on Drew’s management: “She’s trying to fake it till you make it... If I feel like an A-lister, then I’ll be able to go up for those roles.” ([21:54])

Restaurant Sitdown, Shade on Toes:

• Michelle: “Now she's mad because someone says... her toes are long. So what? Who cares? How's that a plot?” ([42:03])

On Angela vs. Shamia:

• Shamia: “I'm not gonna continue a conversation with Sasquatch... Sasquatch enough to walk over your ass.” ([50:27])

• Angela: “Girl, you sleep with Sasquatch every night. Tell your husband to look in the mirror. I mean, hey, the face don’t lie.” ([51:57])

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Portia & K. Michelle Mediation Begins: [01:45]
• Kelly’s Veneers & Sugar Daddy Debate: [04:39]
• Drew’s Team Meeting & Assistant Mayhem: [17:57]-[36:17]
• Portia & K. Michelle’s Rainy Luncheon: [36:26]-[42:16]
• Angela & Shamia (Sasquatch) Showdown: [43:53]-[52:11]

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Tone & Highlights

The episode is a riotous blend of high-camp critique and loving exasperation for all things Bravo. Ben and Ronnie lean into the melodrama with sarcasm, pop culture asides, and sharp cultural observations, delighting in both the absurdity and (occasional) sincerity of the Atlanta cast. The iconic lines and skillful, detailed recapping make this a must-listen (or must-read) for anyone craving every morsel of Bravo drama—especially for those just catching up.

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Final Thoughts

If you couldn’t catch the show, this episode delivers every caustic aside and gasp-worthy moment with gusto—veneer judgment, team Drew’s assistant brawl, toe-shaming, and a Sasquatch-themed takedown, all punctuated by thunder and the relentless arrival of kebabs.

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Transcript

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[Michelle Buteau]

So they decide they're gonna take them to lunch and they're gonna work it out between these two crazy kids, Portia and Kay. Michelle. Yeah. And Angela's like, listen, fucking sh. Like, I've tried with Shamia, you know? And Cynthia's like, well, I feel like you can convince Kay to have some kind of reset with Portia, because it's not like they have to be best friends. We just have to shoot. So she's like, well, I tried. And then we see a flashback to Pinky and Portia talking yesterday, I guess. And Pinky's like, did you know that she had an issue with you prior to us sitting at the table? She's like, well, we've had private conversations, building real friendship, and you. Right, but it's not on your time. She's like, hold on, hold on. It's not on your time, Portia. She's like, stop interrupting me.

[Jesse Thorn]

Yeah, so what we've also learned here is that Pinky apparently does not let people get a word in edgewise. And I think we're not really seeing that because of the way the show is edited. But, you know, when they had their. When Angela and Pinky went at each other at Dallas, to us, it looked like just a back and forth. But really the way they were talking about it was like, oh, my God, Pinky. You just went on and on and on and on. And now Portia's saying that she couldn't get a word in edgewise. So it probably does not make good TV to watch Pinky monologuing. But what I'm getting the sense of is that Pinky just starts talking and then she just does not shut up. Gosh, I've never been accused of that.

[Michelle Buteau]

I was gonna say, who are we to judge? It's a 20 hour recap recording.

[Jesse Thorn]

I'm just. You know, I've got this board game podcast on the side that I do my board game friends. And I was like, listen to. Check it out now, Game Brain. I was listening to the latest episode. I'm like, oh, it's just me. Just takes. Just swallowing up all the air in the room. Just talking and talking and talking.

[Michelle Buteau]

This is the life for me, baby.

[Jesse Thorn]

Yeah. So anyway, ultimately they're going to get Portia and K. Michelle together. And on top of that, Angela is going to give a good college try with Shamia. Although I don't. It's. We already know it's not going to go out well because. Go well, because Angela even says in her confessional, like, I mean, I've tried to reach out to Shamina. I mean, Shamessa. I mean, sh. Liar. I mean sh. Stupid face. I mean, sh. Like. Like bad parallel Parker. Am I right, guys?

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah, you know, that's cut. It sounds kind of like a Shamia line, doesn't it? Like a try hard line, but Angela just does it with better timing.

[Jesse Thorn]

I don't know. Yeah, why does. Because, like, the Angel's line was actually very groan worthy. Yeah. I was like, you're better than this.

[Michelle Buteau]

On paper, it wasn't, but the delivery was very good.

[Jesse Thorn]

You know what it is? Because it's almost like she knows. I think she's so dry with it. Whereas Shamil would be like, more like Shamina Shadow Clark. I mean, more like Shmessa. Even though she's dissing herself in this example.

[Michelle Buteau]

Okay, now we get to the big prize. You may have lost the ability to shoot with your children, but behind door number three, a whole new rack of new teeth. Congratulations. So Kelly is getting a whole. A whole new mouth from Jarvis. This man Jarvis. What? And you know, I know I brought up being gay, like, multiple times in this episode. Not that I even have to do you guys. I'm sure you get it, but why don't. Gabe, why don't we get shit. I feel like, what the hell? I think because we just offer sex to, like, literally anybody or anything. Like, I would fuck the water cooler. I think it was kind of hot. But maybe it's because we just offer up sex too easily. I don't know what it is. How do you date somebody for a couple of months and they're buying you $70,000 worth of teeth? I mean, I can barely get a fucking chocolate croissant out of a man.

[Jesse Thorn]

The thing is this. You can do it. I think that gays just. I think gays. Gays just are not. Like, we just watched an episode of Below Deck a few weeks ago where there was like, a little TW who was chartering a yacht because his sugar daddy paid for it.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah.

[Jesse Thorn]

So it happens. But it means, like, having to, like. You know, the thing is this, gay men are really, like, obsessive about, like, hot, muscular men or whatever. Just like hot guys. And so, like, I think that, like,

[Michelle Buteau]

over money, I guess.

[Jesse Thorn]

Eh, I think so. I think that, like, I think I always get the sense that, like, straight women are not as into the physical as much as gay men are. And so I think, like, to sacrifice the physical to be with like, a sugar daddy is, like, maybe not as hard, but I think for gay men, you're really sacrificing something.

[Michelle Buteau]

Well, you know what? And also, I think maybe as a woman, you. You can fake it more easily because you can. I mean, life, like, you don't have. You don't have to get your penis. You don't have to get hard, you know, like, for a guy, there's no faking it.

[Jesse Thorn]

I don't know. I think a woman. There's still. There's still stuff, you know, I think that, like, it's just. I've seen enough straight women just with guys in general that aren't even sugar daddies, where I'm like, really just gross. Yeah, just gross dudes that I think they just. I think they just are looking for something different than what we are looking for. And I think that, like, we are just so superficial that we're like, yes, he could buy me new veneers, but I don't know, his arms aren't quite big enough.

[Michelle Buteau]

I don't want veneers from a flabby, armed man.

[Jesse Thorn]

You know, I think that's unfortunately just like, the plight of being a gay man.

[Michelle Buteau]

Who wants to say this mouth was wore by a chubby person? But by the way.

[Jesse Thorn]

Well, and the other thing is this. A lot of times, what we see when we do see sugar daddies. They're usually with a super hot, young, gay, gay guy. I mean, look what happened with David Geffen and the guy who just sued him for, like, half of his money.

[Michelle Buteau]

Well, that's true. Yeah.

[Jesse Thorn]

And so the thing is this. Usually the guys that are getting with the sugar daddy are kind of already at that place where they don't need the veneers.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah.

[Jesse Thorn]

You know, they've already done the work.

[Michelle Buteau]

They've actually already done the work daddy in the first place.

[Jesse Thorn]

The thing is, it's not like Kelly is some, like, runt. I mean, Kelly is hot. And, you know, as well, like, Kelly is, like, beautiful put together and everything. So, like, she's also. But. But yeah. I don't know.

[Michelle Buteau]

I just mean in general, it seems like when, like, you see on these shows all the time, it's like, oh, I'm with some new guy, and you just bought me, you know, you just spent 100 grand on me. I just don't. Just don't hear that with guys, you know? It's like the biggest thing I think we tell each other is, oh, my God, I've been with someone like, every day this week, and today he asked me my name. We're like, oh, my God, that's so sweet. You know, these people are getting, like, new mouths.

[Jesse Thorn]

Yeah.

[Michelle Buteau]

What the hell?

[Jesse Thorn]

New mouth.

[Michelle Buteau]

So anyway, she gets this new mouth, and she says, I've always wanted to be more presentable when it came down to my mouth and my teeth. And Jarvis said he would get me a new smile by any expense necessary. This is the best $70,000 I could spend. I spent $200,000 on a divorce. It costs $70,000 to get veneers. Is that true?

[Jesse Thorn]

Yeah, that's. I guess. I don't know.

[Michelle Buteau]

The Kris Jenner facelift?

[Jesse Thorn]

I don't know. But, you know, I. I have to say there's something funny about watching her last week sit down and tell her mom and Nana of Nana's waffles. Like, I'm going through bankruptcy. And this week being like, that's the best $70,000 I could spend on my teeth. I'm like, okay, well, you know, priorities.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah, that's true. That was an interesting scene, too. We didn't recap that, but she sits down at the new location, and they're like, who was it again? Her mom and her aunt. And she's like, no, it was her mom and Nana. It was her mom and Nana. And she's like, guys, how's the location going? And they're like, terrible. And one of them is like, yeah, we need to train the staff. Like, maybe we should have some staff meetings where there's some training. And Kelly's like, oh, gosh. Yeah, Kelly, yeah. Train your staff. And for those of you who don't know that location's already closed, like, you gotta. You gotta do something.

[Jesse Thorn]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So anyway, so she is. So Jarvis has. Has paid for her to have a new teeth, which is funny because, like, I didn't. I didn't even really. I never looked at her, you know,

[Michelle Buteau]

teeth and were like, the same to me.

[Jesse Thorn]

I thought they were the same.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah, I mean, they look the same to me, but I'm not.

[Jesse Thorn]

I don't know. What do I know? Look.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah, I'm not a big teeth judger, so I don't know.

[Jesse Thorn]

I'm not a big teeth. Well, I'm not a big teeth judger unless I really, really notice them. But, like, whatever. So you know what it is? I'm actually more of a judger after the fix. I never notice when someone's teeth are like. Unless they're super, super janky. Like, there's one.

[Michelle Buteau]

We've been teeth judgers in the past. I mean, like, Carl. That was years ago, though. But there was Carl. I don't think we publicly say anything about Rizzo's teeth. Just when we're alone, I think.

[Jesse Thorn]

I don't know if I publicly say anything about Rizzo's teeth, but I think my spirit has said it. I've just noticed that they are, you know. You know, his teeth are going. You know, his teeth.

[Michelle Buteau]

I don't know. I feel like teeth. We were really mean to Carl years ago, but I've always felt kind of guilty about that.

[Jesse Thorn]

I feel like.

[Michelle Buteau]

No, but car.

[Jesse Thorn]

Carl, his teeth were more. It's just because they were yellow. They were yellowing. And that's like Rizzo is more like.

[Michelle Buteau]

And I felt like that's something you're allowed to make.

[Jesse Thorn]

I actually don't shame Rizzo for his teeth because it's just like, that's. It's purely like some. Like, all of our teeth will go in different directions and he just needs to get orthodontics. It's fine. It's like, not a. It's not a. It's not. It's fine. But with Carl, it was like, oh, his teeth were yellow. It's like, you're not taking care of your teeth. You know, Like, Rizzos may just be an issue of, like, resources or whatever. So, like, I wouldn't make fun of that. But I love that we're, like, sitting

[Michelle Buteau]

here parsing when it's okay.

[Jesse Thorn]

It's like, I feel like you're not allowed to make fun of Rizzo, but I wouldn't honestly. Something like that. There's a reason why we haven't publicly said it. Because that's just too mean. Because it seems like that.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah.

[Jesse Thorn]

You know, but with. But with. I feel like I notice more when people put the veneers in, and then everyone's always like, look, I finally got my perfect smile. And I'm always like, it looks 10 times worse.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah, we've definitely judged people's redone teeth, and I think you're allowed. And that's. That's another thing. When people are like, you can't judge plastic surgery. Of course you can, because that's an art form. And I feel like, what, am I not allowed to judge ice skating anymore? Like, it's an art form. People work on it. And so when you get bad work, you get cheaper work. I feel like people are allowed to say that's bad work because we all aspire to get good work.

[Jesse Thorn]

Yeah. And I kind of feel like if someone's teeth are, like, like, misaligned or whatever, like, there's. There's almost like, nothing to make fun of because it's like. It's like that's just how your teeth grew in. And, like, just, you know, you get your. Your Invisalign or whatever you're gonna do, and you can. And you get it fixed. And, like, that's just. I don't know. It's like having a bad hair day in a weird way. You know, it's like, you get a haircut, you have a bad teeth day. Yeah. You know.

[Michelle Buteau]

Sorry, guys. Sorry I'm late. I'm having a bad teeth day.

[Jesse Thorn]

But it's just like, the crazy veneers. That's where it's like, okay, this was poor judgment, and we make fun of them.

[Michelle Buteau]

We saw someone online on TV, like, last week, and their veneers were on top. I mean, I guess veneers by nature.

[Jesse Thorn]

It was. Carl.

[Michelle Buteau]

It was car. Their veneers were on top of their teeth. Is that what I'm saying?

[Jesse Thorn]

It's like a lot of people, like,

[Michelle Buteau]

you know when someone gets a French manicure and it grows out, and then you can see, like, the. I shouldn't be showing my nails, and my. My nails are really bad, but you can see, like, that line. So it's like the nails down here, then the nails, the Fake nail is up here.

[Jesse Thorn]

Oh, yeah.

[Michelle Buteau]

No, no, not the nail. You know, where it's growing and they haven't filled it. We saw someone's teeth like that. I was like, why'd they put your teeth down below your gum?

[Jesse Thorn]

Maybe that wasn't Carl. I don't know who that was.

[Michelle Buteau]

I don't know if it was Carl.

[Jesse Thorn]

That's often. That's often the way dentures, you know? The point is that I feel like veneers have. There are just a lot of terrible veneers out there. They have not figured out veneer science yet. And so every time someone's like, I got my teeth looking now. I finally got my smile.

[Michelle Buteau]

I'm like, yeah, but you took mine away because I was smiling like this, and you walked in, and then you walked in, and I went like this. Yeah, where's my smile? Why don't I have the right smile?

[Jesse Thorn]

It's too much.

[Michelle Buteau]

It's distracting. You shouldn't get a new smile only from stealing other people's smiles.

[Jesse Thorn]

And I think there's something actually nice about, like, an imperfect teeth situation.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah, it's okay, you know? So Kelly. Point is, Kelly got new teeth. She calls Jarvis, thanks him, and Shamia is there with her. We didn't mention that because it's an extremely annoying part of it, but they're both wearing the same outfit from Alo, and they're like, oh, my God, we're hilarious.

[Jesse Thorn]

We're.

[Michelle Buteau]

Which Ben hasn't seen. And Schlemiel.

[Jesse Thorn]

Schlumazel.

[Michelle Buteau]

They're obnoxious. So then we go to Drew's team meeting.

[Jesse Thorn]

Wait, I just want. No, I do want to say something about Jarvis. I already don't trust this guy whatsoever. Okay. He paid $70,000 for her veneers after a few months. And then while she's in there during recovery, he sends giant bouquets in of flowers. And he's like, anything he calls up, he's like, anything for you. I'm like, is this. This already is giving me love bombing feelings? Like, I do not believe this. I'm like, kelly, when someone's giving you this much, it's so presentational for tv. He doesn't want to be on TV yet. He's gonna do these big gestures to sell himself on tv.

[Michelle Buteau]

I'll take it. If you're gonna bomb me with love, I'll take it like, you just got

[Jesse Thorn]

out of a toxic relationship. I'm just saying you got out of a toxic relationship. Please, please, just have some scrutiny. Have some healthy scrutiny available.

[Michelle Buteau]

Don't bomb me. Just muffin. Just bomb me with muffins. Croissant bomb.

[Jesse Thorn]

Ice cream bomb me.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yes. I mean, love bombing. Yeah. I mean, look, that is a real thing. That's not great. But if you're gonna love bomb me and give me new teeth, bombs away, bitch. I'll take it. No, I say war's on. Go for it.

[Jesse Thorn]

Yeah, well, I just. I'm just saying I'm suspicious. I'm flagging it right now. And.

[Michelle Buteau]

And Shami is like, oh, I hooked her up with him, and of course I'm gonna hook her up with someone good. Do you think I'm gonna hook up my new bestie with a brokey?

[Jesse Thorn]

Yeah.

[Michelle Buteau]

Can only do the right things.

[Jesse Thorn]

Well, you literally did hook up one of your besties with a broki. It's just. It's the broki was the girl in this situation. Oh, that's true. She's like, would I ever. Would I ever connect my bestie with the broki? You literally. This man is now. This guy's already $70,000 out of the.

[Michelle Buteau]

My man can't even date a woman for a couple of months without having to buy her a new grill. I mean, what the hell?

[Jesse Thorn]

So the answer is, yes, you would do that.

[Michelle Buteau]

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[Michelle Buteau]

So now we go to Drew's team meeting. And this is ridiculous. And when I tell you some of these people, this one guy who was fighting was like, kind of like, he just looked like stoned out of his mind. He was kind of like cross eyed and he had like a hat or whatever. I mean, he just looked like a cartoon character. I was like, this is gonna. What is this? So we find out that Drew has got like 20 assistants. How many? 15. How many were there? Did they say?

[Jesse Thorn]

20? I think in the room there was probably about eight. But they. But the producer says it was 20 people. Because I'm sure there's probably a longer list that. But. So she's having a team meeting for who knows what reason. She has. She has someone named Ozone who is her photographer. So she just has a photographer on staff. We have to help him.

[Michelle Buteau]

Watch out for the holes in ozone. Do not stand on the wrong side of ozone. You will get skin cancer.

[Jesse Thorn]

Ozone has a real issue in Australia. It's like, I can't go to Australia.

[Michelle Buteau]

No. Why would someone pick a name of something that's deteriorating?

[Jesse Thorn]

I mean, it's just so bizarre. It's also the lovely smell after it rains in a forest. It's ozone.

[Michelle Buteau]

But yeah, I agree, Ozone is fucked. Don't name yourself after something that's fucked. That's crazy.

[Jesse Thorn]

He's very delicate. If you turn on a car, he's gonna suffer a little bit.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah. He's like, I will be your assistant, but I cannot smell your hairspray. So please just do that in another.

[Jesse Thorn]

Can we get some more windmills? They need some green energy around. So she has all these people here. She's got a music producer and I guess. Are they talking about how they're gonna take Drew Sidora to the next level? Maybe so.

[Michelle Buteau]

Well, listen, you're already a level. You got Ozone, the new music producer. That's definitely better than the hot dog guy that was producing you last year. Right?

[Jesse Thorn]

That's true. And the good news for the Drew is she's already inherently at the next level because literally Ralph is down in the basement. So she's by Definition, always next level. So the producer is. Yeah, like, the TV producers asking how many people are there? Yeah, it's 20 people. So that's a lot of people to have on your team just to support you as an artist. It's ridiculous. So Kian is like, the manager, the big dog, and she's like, well, I'm really happy to be part of this team. And remember, there's no I in team, and I'm just. I'm a real collaborative kind of chick. So let's have a meeting where you also demonstrate how collaborative you all are. Okay, who wants to start?

[Michelle Buteau]

So Drew's like, I've been acting since I was 8 years old, so it's, you know, it's not something I take lightly. And in this new chapter I'm entering, I definitely want to go some. For some bigger roles. You need more assistance. Definitely. Definitely more assistance. That's the only way you're gonna get new roles. Spend that money on acting class. Go to acting class. You need 30 assistants to be. I know.

[Jesse Thorn]

It's called Stella Adler.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yes.

[Jesse Thorn]

Well, she. Well, no, wait. Remember, Drew did do the UTA Hagen method.

[Michelle Buteau]

That's true.

[Jesse Thorn]

That's true.

[Michelle Buteau]

She went to UTA Hagen. She did.

[Jesse Thorn]

Good. So. And here's the thing. I love to punch down on Drew all the time because she has been so fraudulent, you know, with, like, drop it with Drew, and she's always lying, et cetera. And then she's, you know, her music career, it's like, okay, when she was like, oh, my God, LeBron listens to my music. But the truth is, like, she has, like, a legitimate acting career. Like, she has been acting since she was young, and she's been in, like, many legitimate shows. She's been in movies. She'd been in movies. She was in the game. Like, she. She's not, like. She's not like, no one. Right. But. But she also is, like. I don't know. She also is very funny.

[Michelle Buteau]

She's also just Drew. I mean, I'm not. I'm not hitting her acting career. She's the one who's saying, I just want bigger acting roles. So I'm just saying, like, if you want bigger acting roles, like, you need more assistance, you need to go. Like, you need to do the work.

[Jesse Thorn]

You need to do the work. You're not. Not just, like, at a whole team. I think she's trying to, like, fake it till you make it. Like, I've got this whole team. I'm gonna feel like I'm an A lister if I feel Like I'm an A lister. Then I'll be able to go up for those A lister roles.

[Michelle Buteau]

But it's not work. I felt like an A lister since I was five. Look at me.

[Jesse Thorn]

No, you are an A lister. Right?

[Michelle Buteau]

I'm a gay lister.

[Jesse Thorn]

So they A list New York. Yeah, Throwback.

[Michelle Buteau]

A list New York. That was a good show.

[Jesse Thorn]

Where's Ryken?

[Michelle Buteau]

Well, speaking of gays with sugar daddies, there was that guy on that show who was like some famous designers boy toy. I forget who it was.

[Jesse Thorn]

That guy. Yeah.

[Michelle Buteau]

He was like, listen, you can stay here, you can live with me, be my lover, you can sleep with whoever you want. Just don't bring them to the house. And he started bringing them to the house and he got dumped. And that was like his big. He will never get over that. That he fucked that one up.

[Jesse Thorn]

Yeah, well, you shouldn't get over that. Yeah. And I do wonder where Rykin is these days.

[Michelle Buteau]

Reichen. Oh my God, the worst. Ryken. So I. I'm sorry.

[Jesse Thorn]

I will always remember this, seeing an interview with Ryken. And he was like, you can tell everything about a man based off of his wrists. If I go into a bar and I look at a man's wrists, I know what I. Depending on what watch it is, if he works out, if he's a good person. It's all based on his wrists. I'm like, oh, God. And I've always thought about that ever since then.

[Michelle Buteau]

I'm not. That's crazy. Is their wrist.

[Jesse Thorn]

I know.

[Michelle Buteau]

Because of their watch. That's dumb.

[Jesse Thorn]

I think it was also like. It would also show how much they worked out. You could see the veins, the vascularity, all the.

[Michelle Buteau]

Like, here's how you can tell about how a man is. How he eats, how he drives, how he fights with you. Those are the three things he eats. Like, I saw a guy last night at this restaurant, by the way, I love just being in New York and being around so many people. It's so nice because I never leave my house, you know? So I've left my house like every day this week and gone out and done stuff and eaten in restaurants. There was this guy and he was actually really cute. And he was kind of like looking at me, which is really rare. So I was like, do I have something on my face? You know? And then he smiled and I was like, what a nice smile. Then his food was delivered. Girl, when I tell you this man had a knife. He was holding his knife like this and his fork like this. And he was like, Eating like that. And then he would get like a big chunk of something and be like, okay, eating dead, then driving. I always say, like before you date someone, put a hidden camera in their car because that's when you see someone's real inner bitch come out. You know how they are when some old lady cuts them off. Are they just like, oh, God, there we go again. Or are they like you? God damn. Cut. Fitness, you know, luckily road raging. No, you're not like that. You're like this.

[Jesse Thorn]

No, I. I love. I love to honk at a. I

[Michelle Buteau]

love even is like nice.

[Jesse Thorn]

It's like, well, I don't like to. I don't. I don't need to be obnoxious. But they need to know, like, alive.

[Michelle Buteau]

But you've seen like road ragey guys who are. It's like they look like they might be nice, but then you see them pass by and they're cursing out some little old woman and like sticking their hands out the window. And then the first time you get into a fight, see how the man reacts because it's gonna be 10 times worse when any kind of shit goes down their fucking wrist. Get out of here, you fuck boy.

[Jesse Thorn]

Get out of here. I was just checking to see if any famous.

[Michelle Buteau]

By the way, I still haven't found a man because no man passes all three of those tests. We all fail at one of them. I fail at all three of them. Frankly. I eat like shit, I drive like shit. I'm really mean. You should see what I say to the old ladies in the car.

[Jesse Thorn]

Yeah. I'll tell you what Ronnie says to them. He just sings. He just sings show tunes at them.

[Michelle Buteau]

Okay, so back to the scene. So she's got all these assistants. She's telling us how important that is. She's also been writing and doing music, and Kian has managed lots of artists that I look up to. And she's not only going to be able to take this career to the next level, but she's going to help me stay focused and on time and really organize this team. I mean, get a new. Get an iPhone. You know what I mean?

[Jesse Thorn]

Yeah. Seriously.

[Michelle Buteau]

So what are you looking up over there?

[Jesse Thorn]

You know, when you were talking, I sort of had this feeling like, I don't know, this has been my thing lately, which is like, I feel like. I feel like today is the birthday of someone that's like important for us as gay people and support to us. I don't know. I had this feeling. So I looked it up. It's Alanis Morsett's. Birthday today.

[Michelle Buteau]

Oh, yeah.

[Jesse Thorn]

But I was hoping it's also Marilyn Monroe's birthday.

[Michelle Buteau]

It's a pretty big one. That's a pretty big one for the gays.

[Jesse Thorn]

Yeah. And it's also Charlene's birthday.

[Michelle Buteau]

Charlene Woodley.

[Jesse Thorn]

Her name is just Charlene. And you may know her because Charlene is someone who. She's been to many places, but she's never been to me.

[Michelle Buteau]

Oh, that's so nice. I've never been to her either. Cause I didn't even know her name.

[Jesse Thorn]

I've been to China.

[Michelle Buteau]

That's a good song.

[Jesse Thorn]

Everywhere I could sing I moved like Harlow in Monte Carlo and showed them what I got I've been undressed by kings and I've seen some things that a woman's not supposed to see I've been to paradise But I've never been to me now, if Shamia or Drew sang that song, did a cover of it, now we're talking a different story. Now we're talking number one hit. And you got all the gays.

[Michelle Buteau]

So I love Drew's music now because I have that one on my list, on my playlist. So then, okay. Keon is like, okay, guys, I know it's not easy working with a lot of people. There's no judgment here. But what's the problem? And Drew's like, well, I would say a lot of times I don't even know the issues going on. I just show up, and then things are happening, and I got to get to my job. And when I leave, there's things that happen, and then I hear about it later. I mean, when Tavia is upset or Freedom is upset, like, oh, my God, we've upset Freedom now.

[Jesse Thorn]

Yeah. Yeah. And so then Walter the hairstylist. So, of course a messy hairstylist is going to be the first one to get messy here. He's like, some old people need to be replaced. And then Drew's like, no, all of it needs to just get more organization and ebb and flow to where sometimes I gotta work with people I don't like. And by the way, speaking of ebb and flo, some of you guys are really upset. Ebb and some of you guys are really upset Floating.

[Michelle Buteau]

The most important person here that you've upset is Freedom. I just want to have a baby named Freedom and just hope one day they become like, a jail warden or something, like crazy, you know?

[Jesse Thorn]

Well, you know, Freedom Williams was part of CNC Music Factory.

[Michelle Buteau]

Freedom Williams.

[Jesse Thorn]

I think it's Freedom Williams, you know, so boring.

[Michelle Buteau]

You know what a lame name.

[Jesse Thorn]

Freedom Williams, right?

[Michelle Buteau]

Like, I just get pissed off at my parents in the middle of the day when I hear shit like this. Like, why do I have to be a rondel? I'm so lame. There's a Freedom out here.

[Jesse Thorn]

Freedom Williams. Freedom Williams is a. He was a important part of pop culture from 1990 to 1992.

[Michelle Buteau]

That's a cool name. I want a better name.

[Jesse Thorn]

Oh, I thought you were saying his name was boring.

[Michelle Buteau]

No, I'm saying my name is boring. I'm pissed off at my parents for giving me a shit name. When there's people named Freedom out there. What the hell?

[Jesse Thorn]

Well, you know what? Freedom's just another word.

[Michelle Buteau]

Something that people like. People like Freedom. Like, name me coupon.

[Jesse Thorn]

You could also be named. Nothing left to lose. It's the same. That's freedom. Okay, so freedom. So anyway, they're talking. So Drew is talking about, like, this guy says, like, well, freedom. Some people need to be fired. Some of the old people need to be fired. And then this guy Walter the hairstylist is like, well, I've been playing her assistant when I shouldn't have to, because it's supposed to be a team. But when you have somebody on the team that's lazy and not doing their job. Hint, hint. So then Danny, who's the driver, and the assistant, goes, now, hold on, hold on, hold on. Okay, I'm so sorry. Because what I'm not gonna do is spell my name without an E, because I'm spelled D, A, N, N, E, Y, everyone, Dan E. And I'm not gonna sit here and let somebody tell me that I slack as an assistant, because I can say, she needs a new wig stylist. Because you have her. You have her wig lifting.

[Michelle Buteau]

He's like, well, I can do your job better than you. He's like, nuh. Because you had a lot to say, and there's a lot of times you slip up on her hair and it looks. Looks terrible. And she was like, wait a minute, like, holding her hair.

[Jesse Thorn]

Like, God, guys. And so Walter's like, please bring it up, because the blogs have never said anything about her hair. And then Dani's like, well, at the end of the day, you get assistance for assistance. And I don't get along with everybody. And some people may think I talk a little bit harder than whatever. And I can feel like they say some crazy stuff. I can say all sorts of stuff. And now Freedom speaks up. Freedom, who's been sitting there very primly in his chair. He's been sitting there with like perfect posture and he's like, well, that's unprofessional though.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah, I like that Freedom was the voice of reason. You know, I felt like he was aptly named, so then his name really

[Jesse Thorn]

should have been Reason then.

[Michelle Buteau]

Choco. Choco. Choco reason. My favorite candy. Just ate a bag of them the other day. Why can't I lose weight eating whole bags of candy for the start of the day? So Freedom's like, yeah, that's unprofessional. And Danny says, oh, really? And you got put off the team how many times? Freedom. And he's like, like, that was then, this is now. This is me. Freedom.

[Jesse Thorn]

I'm back now.

[Michelle Buteau]

That was back when my name was oppression and now I'm Freedom. Okay, I'm back.

[Jesse Thorn]

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[Michelle Buteau]

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[Jesse Thorn]

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[Jesse Thorn]

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[Michelle Buteau]

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[Jesse Thorn]

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[Michelle Buteau]

What boundaries? My name is Freedom. Well, still. And you just sit there and you get drunk at the job. I mean, let's be serious. He's like, well, now you are not going to take control over this conversation.

[Jesse Thorn]

Burp. I was about to say, that's not a denial. So Danny's like, freedom, you're barely on the team. He's like, I feel like Danny, he just gets very petty. He goes, freedom, freedom, Freedom. You lied and you dog Drew online. He's like, well. And I just feel like we start going all over the place. Where's Drew's old assistant? The messy ass old assistant? He should be in the mix, too. Why is he not Whatever his name was.

[Michelle Buteau]

Every one of these people has major problems. I was cracking up. And Danny's like. And then you just sat there. You know, there's a lot of stuff we could say, so just stop. And she was like, hold on. And then they start fighting. Where was the part? I guess they have a lot more fighting to go. But just in case it's not in here, there was one part where the guy just goes, you need to eat less. Like, these guys.

[Jesse Thorn]

I mean, like, honestly, they all should be fired. But clearly, this was like, Drew was angling to do a spin off here, and I think she succeeded, quite frankly. So Freedom's like, you're a liar. And Dan's like, I told Drew. It's like, what if I said. I said, drew, I do not want to work with him. And I said it to you multiple times. And Freedom's like, okay, you're over here looking like a double stuffed Oreo, baby, you need to eat less. There it is.

[Michelle Buteau]

You're looking like double stuffed Oreo. You need to eat less. So funny. I like that. At first I was like, oh, my God, Freedom's so sweet. And Freedom's like, eat less.

[Jesse Thorn]

So Kian's like, okay, this is becoming demeaning, and it's not informative. Okay, everyone just be professional. Freedom, you can Put down that bottle of Schlitz. Okay.

[Michelle Buteau]

But I just don't understand why it's so hard. Like, I can't think about performing if I gotta deal with you guys fighting. Drew, you do not need 20 assistants on the set of the Tubi. Stop.

[Jesse Thorn]

I know a situation in Chicago where I was performing, and I took a flight. When I landed, I heard that there was an altercation. You should. That should never happen.

[Michelle Buteau]

Oh, my God. How are you flying? How many people go to Drew's shows that she's flying? All these people out there.

[Jesse Thorn]

Exactly. Exactly. And it was. It was a Candace show, right? Where Drew came out was like. And that's it, right?

[Michelle Buteau]

Yes. Candace is like, I've got a very special guest in her name.

[Jesse Thorn]

Dori.

[Michelle Buteau]

And Drew's like, thank you. Thank you, everybody.

[Jesse Thorn]

So Juice says, firing people is not my forte. I'm very loyal, and I feel like everyone served an important purpose in my life. But I know that sometimes, like, it can get, like, a little too crowded, and I need to make sure I have a team that is really there for me, and I don't. If you don't respect me in the business I am, then I need to figure out who needs to go and who needs to stay. I was like, drew is doing the. I don't want to fire anyone. I'm loyal. Which means that Keon's gonna. She's gonna make Keon fire people.

[Michelle Buteau]

And then, yes, of course, get the new manager.

[Jesse Thorn]

That's what celebrities do. That way, they're always the good guys.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah.

[Jesse Thorn]

So look out, everyone.

[Michelle Buteau]

By the way, you've got a message from my agent. Be nice if you checked your voicemail every once in a while. So now we go to Brasserie Lundy, and this is the big sit down with Pinky. K. Michelle, Cynthia, and Portia. Dun, dun, dun. So K. Michelle and Portia are really sweet to each other to start thinking, hello, you look very pretty. She's like, you look very pretty, too.

[Jesse Thorn]

And it's, like, very. You know, it's, like, tense and everything. And then it starts to thunder and rain outside. It's a sign. So K. Michelle's like, you know, God is an awesome God. And I feel like that was him saying, be a bigger person. I love. Like, that's. You know, it's fine when people. If there's, like, a thunder. That's funny. It's fine to be like, oh, it's a sign of something. But I don't think God thundering was necessarily be, like, be a bigger person.

[Michelle Buteau]

It was this Was harsho. I mean, they, like, sat down. It was like, oh, boom. And this just starts pouring down.

[Jesse Thorn]

I think that's gossip. They're like, don't stop. Go home.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah.

[Jesse Thorn]

So. So Pinky and Cynthia are there, and they're gonna bring everyone together.

[Michelle Buteau]

And they're like, you guys need to talk. We're going to another table. Like, wait, this is a setup. Like, well, you gotta do it. So K. Michelle's like, well, you know, Portia says, wait, hold on.

[Jesse Thorn]

Wait. Most importantly, what's strange about this is that Portia and K. Michelle are. They're a table for four. And since the other two have left, they are now left. They are sitting kitty corner to each other. And I found that this was an awkward seating arrangement for this entire scene. They weren't, like, in front of each other. They weren't necessary.

[Michelle Buteau]

They were trying to, like, come together, like, diagonally. You won't even agree on a sign.

[Jesse Thorn]

Yeah.

[Michelle Buteau]

So Portia's like, okay, what's going on? And Kay says, I don't know. You know, I've just. I want to talk, and I want to hear you and listen to you. I just don't feel like you listen to me. She's like, well, I already closed off the conversation because everybody had brought it to me already, but it wasn't a conversation you had with me. And she's like, you know what? I'll say that was wrong of me. And I'll take that one.

[Jesse Thorn]

Yeah. But, like, you also revealed at the

[Michelle Buteau]

table that, like, you felt like you'd

[Jesse Thorn]

been set up, and you felt like, you know, I was going to expose

[Michelle Buteau]

you and all that. Like.

[Jesse Thorn]

And if you just would have said it to me, then I could have talked to you about it. I could have told you the timetable and how I was gonna do it, and then you could have been ready for it. I don't know why you just didn't talk to me first.

[Michelle Buteau]

So K. Michelle's like, listen, you have to understand, the first day I come into this, I get this tit and tatting from you and the. You know, the sleeping with a married preacher and all of this stuff. And Portia's like, oh, well, you're gonna see a lot more than that, okay? But you'll find your way in this group. You think I'm bad? Just wish.

[Jesse Thorn]

Wait.

[Michelle Buteau]

Okay. This is all of us. This is our job. Okay? It's like you're coming in and being like, well, I came in and you expected me to do word processing. I mean, the phone ring, and you Asked me to answer it. Yeah. Where do you think you're working? Yeah.

[Jesse Thorn]

So Portia's like, look, k. Michelle came in, and she saw this scene, and what she doesn't realize is that, like, I was getting my lick back. It wasn't like I was just starting up with Kelly. Kelly already started up with me, and I was just retorting, essentially. And she's like, yeah, you know, Kelly is being on her hands and knees and not praying to a pastor. A married pastor has nothing to do with kids, Michelle. So let's move on. So they basically like, you know, Kim Shell's like, okay, I understand your point of view, and I just want you understand me as well. And, you know, there's no hate coming from me whatsoever today. Yeah, exactly. Like, this is the second time she's done this. So Portia. Portia basically says that. She's like, yeah, the third time this happens, it might be a closed door. So then Cynthia and. And Pinky are able to, like, you know, they're watching, and they come back, and then they all do sort of like a joint fist bump to be like, yay. We've all. We've.

[Michelle Buteau]

We've.

[Jesse Thorn]

We've settled everything, and we're all gonna be. We're all gonna be friends.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah. So then they start talking about the friendship contract. They're like, you guys need to make a friendship contract. And Cynthia's like, this group is fractured. And then we go to Pinky, and she's like, okay, so how are we gonna get to the bottom of this scheme that you're talking about? Like, the scheme. The scheme of the plots? And she's like, okay, come on, Kay. Let that go. And Kay's like, why, basically? And she goes, you really think. Come on, Drew has not been here. And she's like, well, why are you gonna do that, Portia? And she's like, well, Phaedra hasn't said two words about you in a bad way. She's like, portia. You know, Portia, when it comes to Drew, people feel like, oh, everyone was picking on Drew this and that, but she puts herself in those type of things. Like, basically, is what I'm saying is there. It was an effort to find information about me and expose me, and there were three parties that were part of it. And I've talked to each party. Phaedra, Ms. Portia, and Drew. And I feel like Drew is lying about what she's got going on. Okay, so you've talked to everybody, and they've been vindicated then. Doesn't that mean that your initial information might be wrong?

[Jesse Thorn]

Yeah.

[Michelle Buteau]

If you were told that three people were guilty of this and you found out on your own that two of them are not guilty, wouldn't you question the person that told you in the first place? Madam.

[Jesse Thorn]

Yeah. So then she starts talking about, you know, like, the. She starts building her case. You know, there was the. Like, the rumor about the.

[Michelle Buteau]

What is she gonna add this week? Because every week it's something.

[Jesse Thorn]

Yeah. She's like, you know, I just met you. You know, it's about. And now it's about my toes. And, like, what about your toes? She goes, well, they said my toes were long. So now she's mad because someone says,

[Michelle Buteau]

and they were lolled. Okay, so what? Who cares? What are you talking about? How's that a plot? I know. So long ass toes.

[Jesse Thorn]

So then. Then they start talking about, like, black and everything. And Portia's like. Portia's like, does Drew like to get tea on people? Because, like, yeah, she has a long history of doing that to someone who doesn't like it or feels like she's coming at him. And is she doing that to Kay? Because I just. I just don't see the motive.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah. Like I said, I don't necessarily put it past Drew, but none of this. None of this matters anyway, because she didn't do it yet.

[Jesse Thorn]

Yeah, it's hard to know. It's hard to know because it seems like K. Michelle is whipping up, whipping herself into a frenzy, you know?

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah. And the examples she's coming up with are crazy. Like, saying, oh, and Drew's trying to make it look like I know her friend. No, you made it look like you knew her friend. When you said. And when he was on the phone, you're like, oh, hey, it's so nice to see you.

[Jesse Thorn]

Hi.

[Michelle Buteau]

How are you? That's what made it.

[Jesse Thorn]

Yeah.

[Michelle Buteau]

She didn't say you fucked the friend. She just said, you know him.

[Jesse Thorn]

Yeah, exactly.

[Michelle Buteau]

So weird.

[Jesse Thorn]

She goes, so. So Portia's like, you know, we're gonna clear the record. I've not done anything to look up any information on you. You haven't done anything to me. So I sure wish whoever told you this stuff would make her make themselves known. And K. Michelle is like, well, all of you need to know exactly what I'm talking about. But I will hold defeat to the fire of the person who created that. And that is Drew 2B Sedora. Although there's nothing wrong with Tubi, I like to be. I watch Tubi.

[Michelle Buteau]

So she says she's not in a hateful place. She's just wondering where Drew's coming from. And she's like, at least I made up with Portia. So they, you know, they're like, yeah, we did it one lunch at a time. So now we go to Angela and Shamia meeting. Dun, dun, dun. The big meeting of the episode.

[Jesse Thorn]

Yes.

[Michelle Buteau]

And Shamia are. Loses this one coming in. I mean, Shamia, come on, you're taking critic. You're taking lines from Married to Medicine. First of all, which. Stop it with her. She just starts it off with, oh, now I have to talk with Angela and her big old feet. And she goes to the hostess and she's like, do you have someone in here with big hands and big feet? Because I'm supposed to meet her. She's got a size 12 shoe. Shoot me out. Yeah, come on, man.

[Jesse Thorn]

It's shitty. So Angela is like, well, I just want to get to the bottom of the tension between us. And, you know, at Phaedra's event, it was. I think you could cut it. Shamil's like, yeah, and that's so unfortunate, Angela, because I feel like just when I'm getting to know you and we're, like, growing a friendship, it's some sort of bond. It's like, hot, cold. And then in Dallas, you were the one saying I was stirring things up in the group. And even after K said it wasn't me, you're still like, you, you, you. So it almost feels like you're picking at me.

[Michelle Buteau]

Why do you always think you're the victim? You're not always the victim. Give me a break. She's like, oh, really? Well, you even said that you had a gift, a girl, A. And she's like, well, my discernment. She goes, well, your discernment was off. And she goes, well, I still believe it. I don't care. And she goes, use your discernment to sell some houses. Use your discernment to tell you about the drama that you've had with other people. Your discernment is very off with me, Bigfoot.

[Jesse Thorn]

So then they're like. They're getting tense. And then the waitress comes over. It's like, hello, can I offer you guys some kebabs? We serve kebabs here. Which, by the way, I would never come this place and be like, oh, this is a kebab place.

[Michelle Buteau]

The waitress did the heavy lifting. She was so funny. Some of the waiters on these shows, you know, we've talked about. We always talk about the waiters, but this one was so good. Every time they would scream, she'd come up and be like, hi, how are you doing?

[Jesse Thorn]

Have you thought about those kebabs more?

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah. Any more time to think about the salmon kebabs.

[Jesse Thorn]

But don't worry, Shamia has a really funny line here. She goes, she's talking about kebabs, and all I'm thinking about is bobbing and weaving them. Big hands and then big feet under the table. Hello. Do you not see him up against Sasquatch? I mean, Shamia, I don't know why you're not a bigger star myself. I mean, kebab. Those kebabs. The kebab joke. And then tying it into Sasquatch. I mean, wow. Killing it.

[Michelle Buteau]

Sasquatch. Oh, my God. So Angela says, well, you know, first of all, you're not that high on the Richter scale for me to be bothered. She goes, oh, really? Well, then stop being bothered. Then she's like, well, I'm not. But you continue to talk about me. You said, I broke up your friend. And she's like, I'm not bringing up Portia. I'm not here to talk about Portia. I'm here to talk about me and you. We're not talking about Portia. And she's like, I'm talking about you.

[Jesse Thorn]

Yeah. She's like. She's like, shamia, why do you keep putting my name in your mouth? She's like, you know, like you're saying you're blaming me for this shit. And Shamia's like, well, why do you keep saying I'm stirring things up with K. Michelle? She goes, well, did you tell K. How we. You and I initially fell out? She goes, no, actually, I didn't. She goes, well, you didn't tell her. And we see flashback to the reunion where they fought. And so Angela's like, every time she's confronted with how she made someone feel, she evades accountability. And Shamila's like, I think it's weird that Angela was able to forgive someone that said she's sleeping with her husband. And I just laughed and I apologized for it. And she was able to forgive for the Phaedra fiasco, and that was false. And yet she's still mad at me. What's really going on, sis?

[Michelle Buteau]

And she's like, who's. Shamia says you're touched. And she's like, whose mind are you using? You conjuring up Portia's. Are you conjuring up Candy? She goes, oh, you can't even get Portia out of your mouth. And you don't even know Candy. And she goes, I don't have to. I know you're trying to be like, Candy. Nice try, sucker. And also. Good point.

[Jesse Thorn]

So Shamia is basically like aunt. Just one of the girl. One of those girls who's like, ponytail is, like, long and would fan out in elementary school and she'd pick on the other girls that were cute, you know, and she's mad for no damn reason. I was like, I don't.

[Michelle Buteau]

Oh, God. I was, like, also jealous of you. And you're.

[Jesse Thorn]

I was like, thank you for welcoming us into your childhood trauma. She's like, you know that. You know how that is, right? I was like, I don't know what you're talking about.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah, that girl with the ponytail that flares out.

[Jesse Thorn]

Oh, okay. Are you exorcising a demon right now?

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah.

[Jesse Thorn]

So Angela's like, well, you have your own identity.

[Michelle Buteau]

You know, you wish you were cute. And she's the one talking about how someone's so ugly all the time. She's ridiculous. I think that's why she's behind Shamia.

[Jesse Thorn]

Well, I think that's ultimately why Angela's not fucking with her, is because, like, she can excuse all those other women because those women are, like, they're being authentic in her eyes. And I think that she sees Shamia as someone who's not authentic. So, like, she doesn't know. She doesn't know where she'll ever stand with Shamia because she doesn't know really what Shamia's about. So I think that's why there's that issue.

[Michelle Buteau]

And I think she's also just making calls on Shamia that are correct. I mean, what she said about her last year was correct, and it wasn't even that big of a deal. She's just like, you're using people to get this relationship with Portia, like, this fight with Portia going. I mean, she did do that. She was going to everybody, like, oh, Portia, you know, Portia's not very nice. And then trying to turn everybody on Portia. And then the stuff she said this year, I think is true, too. I do think it was Angela and not Angela. I do think it was Kelly and Shamia who were like, you know, Drew's looking stuff up on you. Drew's looking up your vagina smell on the Internet.

[Jesse Thorn]

Yeah. I would not be surprised, this show. So then. So Angela's like. She was like, I'm mad that I'm not getting any Kabbalah. I came here to eat, not argue. I Just don't have kebabs.

[Michelle Buteau]

So Angela's like, well, you heard that girl singing. That's what you want to do. You want to egot. So get a hit first. You need a hit first before an egot. And Shamia's like, I do want an egot. And I don't want to be like Angela, who doesn't have anything. She goes, oh, I'm self made. I never laid on my back to get on my feet. That's what you do. She's like, oh, really? Because I understand why your husband leaves in the morning and doesn't come back until you take your ass to sleep.

[Jesse Thorn]

And she goes, really? Does he? Because I see why you leave home and don't come back. She's like, oh, I would. I would leave your ass too. Why don't you work on your house? Because. Well, why don't you, why don't you leave home and come back? Why when my husband is outside, he sees your ass in the street?

[Michelle Buteau]

And she's like, then try to keep him home. How about that? It's like, samille, let's talk about the Falcons or the Hawks. It's like, I'm a great host. Host. Why are you sticking around so long? So I could. Girl, my God. Because it pays well. She's oh, really? Why are you sticking around? It doesn't. It doesn't.

[Jesse Thorn]

And you probably should get one of those jobs because where? Because the real estate isn't working for you. She's like, I have multiple businesses. The men pay well. Do you not understand that? I have a. A sample from Fanji here with me right now.

[Michelle Buteau]

Look. Yeah, she had her Fanji. And she goes, really? Well, someone's not going to continue. I'm not gonna. I'm someone who's not going to continue a conversation with Sasquatch. And so she gets up. By the way, her outfit is so incredibly crazy. She's wearing.

[Jesse Thorn]

It's like a bodysuit.

[Michelle Buteau]

She's wearing this bodysuit that looks like it's like big business. Like, what, what do we come to the office dressed like a blood clot?

[Jesse Thorn]

Yeah, she looks.

[Michelle Buteau]

She. It's a bruise, basically. So she gets up and she goes, sasquatch enough to walk over your ass. And she's like, you shouldn't be wearing your white heels. You should not be wearing white heels. And she goes, oh, yeah, I could walk all over you. She goes, yeah, yeah, you can kiss this fake ass. And she walks off and she goes, girl, what that fake ass? Go buy another booty, asshole.

[Jesse Thorn]

So Now Shamia, now they do like very old school, like, like sort of on the fly confessionals. I love this.

[Michelle Buteau]

Now do your confessional by the car.

[Jesse Thorn]

Yeah. And Shmiel's like, that girl can't even get her own shit straight. She said I'm outside because, like, her husband sees me out. Your husband's outside if he's seen me.

[Michelle Buteau]

That's actually a good point. The husband's like, well, I saw her at the club. Well, what were you doing at the club, sir?

[Jesse Thorn]

Well, the thing is, Shamia is the one who said that his. That. That Charles goes out first. And then Angela's like, well, you went out too. And I know, so that's stupid. It's actually. They didn't actually make any really great points. They just were going for whatever they. They could grasp for in that moment. They were like falling down.

[Michelle Buteau]

I like that. Angela can read anybody and do it well. Do. She can win every time.

[Jesse Thorn]

She does every time.

[Michelle Buteau]

I feel like Angela wins every time, even if she speaks nonsense half of the time. And angel can win and she's.

[Jesse Thorn]

She goes, what are we running for? Stick around. She called me Sasquatch. Girl, you sleep with Sasquatch every night. Tell your husband to look in the mirror. I mean, hey, the face don't lie. Wow.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah, I think Angela won that one handily. So that is the end of that.

[Jesse Thorn]

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