#3397 Southern Hospitality S4E14: Bananas Republic

Summary

Watch What Crappens Ep. #3397 – Southern Hospitality S4E14: Bananas Republic

Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam Release Date: June 4, 2026

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Episode Overview

Ben and Ronnie assemble at the Acast Studios in NYC for a recap and deliciously snarky breakdown of the "Southern Hospitality" Season 4 reunion. The hosts revel in the cast's first real reunion set (no more bar stools in the Bravo Clubhouse!) and dive into the drama, shifting alliances, apologies, and signature Bravo chaos. With their signature irreverence, Ben and Ronnie dissect who’s lying, who still needs to apologize, who’s enabling, and who’s just trying to get through another Southern mess with a GLAAD award and some dignity intact.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Reunion Set & Vibes

• Excitement for the first-ever “real” Southern Hospitality reunion set modeled after Republic. (03:01)
• Host Andy Cohen jokes about missing out on the cast’s group chat, already feeling “out of touch.” (08:32)
• The set authentically evokes the Republic experience – including intentional “bar rot” smells and mannequin patrons in Tommy Bahama. (09:12)

2. Arrival Montage and Cast Energy

• The cast’s nerves, arrivals, and humor are on display: Michaels brings a binder (with color-coordinated tabs “because I’m gay!”), and there’s joking about choker scarves and reunion outfit swaps. (12:22)
• Conversation about weird decor choices (e.g., why Janet and Jason have a grandfather clock), leading to playful speculation about “grandfather clock energy.” (05:18)

3. Personnel Tea: Write-Ups, Reviews, and Getting Fired

• Cast members debate who’s been written up at work, with Molly outed for three write-ups (fighting, bad reviews, and no-shows) and Michaels ready with Yelp receipts. (18:13)
• Hilarity ensues over how hard the public is on “blonde female bartenders in Charleston,” with Ben quipping, “No one has it harder in this world than a blonde woman.” (22:58)
• Molly’s firing is discussed—was it because she wasn’t a Michaels follower (literally on Instagram, or figuratively)? Molly’s shifting narratives draw Ronnie’s ire: “Molly’s story is changing yet again. It always does.” (25:42)

4. Gender, Emotions, and Apologies

• The Michaels-Molly dynamic explored: Michaels apologizes for his tone, but Molly wants direct eye contact: “Can you look at me when you say that, for Christ’s sake?” (26:38)
• Mia and Lake reflect on whether Michaels is harder on women; Lake supports Michaels, likening their relationship to siblings who “literally chase each other with knives.” This alarms Ronnie and Ben: “If you’re trying to assuage rumors of you having rage issues, maybe saying you chase each other with knives isn’t the best strategy.” (28:40 - 29:10)

5. Group Chat Drama: Trevor, Maddie, and Conspiracies

• The infamous group chat plot to sabotage Maddie’s relationship with Trevor is revisited. Was Joe complicit? He claims just excitement: “Of course I was excited about Trevor cheating. We all thought he cheated. We were so excited.” (39:39)
• Brad’s flip-flopping on whether Joe was involved: “Were you lying then, or are you lying now, sir? Because you were lying at some point.” (43:47)
• Mia insists: “Trevor has cheated before. Maybe not that time, but still...” Ben: “She had already forgiven Trevor, but you made up another time so she’d break up with him again – come on.” (40:54)

6. Relationships and Power Dynamics

• Discussions on whether Maddie controls or “holds back” Joe from hanging out with the guys: Justin opines, “Maddie, you have a hold on Joe and you limit him.” Maddie: “If you think I can control Joe Bradley, that is absolutely insane.” (58:52 - 59:20)
• Supporting Hot Dog Stands: Brad laments his friends’ lack of support at his “Second Sunday” hot dog biz. Maddie, living 45 minutes away, promises to try to visit: “It’s a poor excuse, even though it’s a really good one if you think about it.” (61:20)

7. Sobriety, Legal Issues, and Cat Custody Drama

• Grace Lily’s sobriety journey is discussed. She’s “doing AA, though not group work.” Leva and others urge her to rely on community. (65:16)
• Cat custody as high drama: “You stalked him in pursuit of gaining custody of a cat you shared together.” Grace: “My attorney feels very, very confident that I will not be convicted of anything.” (68:21)
• Klonopin incident addressed; Grace insists charges will be dropped. Ben: “We wish you the best. I’m just reading here that your legal counsel is Will. Good for you.” (69:43)

8. LGBTQ+ Storylines & Housewife Hookups

• T.J. and Michaels’ romantic/sexual tension—first hookups took place during Salt Lake City Housewives viewings (“Housewives is your music?” “Yeah.”). (71:00)
• Ant eater jokes (re: uncircumcised penis), bum creams, and Andy’s nosy questions about their intimacy. (73:07)
• Emotional conversation about whether their relationship was real, with Michael’s admitting: “No, not anymore. …Well, I did [have feelings], but you denied it. And you also made out with three people that night.” (75:39)

9. Ageism, Will’s Absence, and Internet Backlash

• Emmy takes heat for ageist jokes (calling T.J. “Grams” at 35). Maddie: “He’s not even in the coveted 18-34 age bracket anymore!” (78:12)
• Will’s absence: Emmy asserts he’s over the show, with Ben and Ronnie imagining his future in “sidewalk law” and mint julep litigation. (79:07)
• Emmy fiercely shuts down any Will cheating rumors: “What we’re not gonna do is mention Will's name on TV, so give me some grace.” (82:26)

10. Nick Viall Podcast Fallout & Unsafe Accusations

• T.J. is deeply hurt by Emmy’s comments on Nick Viall’s podcast, where she discussed the concept of being “unsafe” and possible predatory behavior. “There’s not a day that goes by where I don’t think about how one of my closest friends called me a predator on a podcast.” (84:46)
• Emmy’s evasive, defaulting to discomfort. Maddie refuses to defend her use of “unsafe,” leading Ronnie to snark, “Your first response is still a Karen response. This woman learns nothing.” (89:02)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

“We’re on couches this week, which is very lovely. It’s like a sleepover, except we’re old.”
—Ronnie (01:18)

“You know what, if you’re in a couple where people can’t figure out which one of you is the grandfather clock person, you’re probably very well matched.”
—Ben (07:38)

“Anyone has it hard in this world? It’s a blonde woman behind a bar in Charleston.”
—Ben (22:58)

“If you’re trying to assuage rumors of having rage issues, maybe saying ‘we chase each other with knives’ isn’t the best strategy.”
—Ben (29:10)

“He’s always declaring that he’s come a long way. Literally, it’s like, ‘I’ve decided I’ve come a long way.’ Based on what? ‘Because I said it!’”
—Ben (35:26)

“We all can agree that knowledge is knowing, and knowing is knowledge.”
—Ben (43:47)

“Here’s the thing: This is going to be a hard journey. Doing it alone is very, very difficult. So my recommendation is to focus on your sobriety while doing activities at Zachary’s Daiquiris…”
—Ronnie (67:06)

“If you think I can control Joe Bradley, that is absolutely insane. Joe, get the car. We’re going somewhere.”
—Ben as Maddie (59:20)

“One of my closest friends called me a predator on a podcast…”
—TJ (84:46)

“Here comes the white lady tears. We’re shocked, Emmy. … This woman learns nothing.”
—Ronnie (89:02)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• [03:01] — Reunion set reveal and the “arrival montage”
• [05:18] — Grandfather clock debate
• [12:22] — Cast arrivals, fashion roasts, Michaels’ binder
• [18:13] — Work write-ups and Yelp reviews
• [22:58] — Gender bias and the “blonde bartender” plight
• [26:38] — Michaels’ apology to Molly and discussion of communication styles
• [28:40] — Enabling and sibling dynamics (including knife-chasing)
• [39:39] — Group chat sabotage drama; Brad and Joe’s involvement
• [61:20] — Hot dog stand drama and friend support
• [65:16] — Grace Lily’s sobriety and legal problems
• [71:00] — TJ & Michaels: Bravo Housewife-fueled hookups
• [78:12] — Ageism jokes and Will’s “sidewalk law” future
• [82:26] — Will rumors and Emmy’s hardline stances
• [84:46] — Podcast fallout: Accusations, “unsafe” language, and apologies (or lack thereof)
• [89:02] — “White Lady Tears” and season wrap up

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Tone & Style

• The episode is a riotous blend of loving mockery, sharp humor, and deep Bravo knowledge.
• Ben and Ronnie riff on everything from Southern archetypes, influencer energy, to the absurd bureaucracy of hot dog stands.
• Moments of genuine empathy (sobriety, LGBTQ+ relationships) are shaded with snark but grounded in real support.
• Signature running jokes: “Come a long way,” “knowledge is knowing,” fake business names, and callbacks to earlier Bravo scandals.

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This summary captures the wit, warmth, and wildness that make “Watch What Crappens” and its Southern Hospitality recaps beloved by Bravo fans and snark connoisseurs alike.

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

Well, hello and welcome to watch what Crappens, a podcast for all the crap we love to talk about on your profs. I'm Ronnie. That's Ben. Hello, Ben.

[A]

Hi, Ronnie. How are you?

[B]

How are you getting your lower back settled over there?

[A]

Yeah, I'm getting comfy.

[B]

Oh, it's my back.

[A]

Just getting comfy, you know, trying to, trying to find some sort of angle.

[B]

Yeah, we're on couches this week, which is very lovely. We're at the glamorous Acast Studios, New York City. It's been a joy.

[A]

It's been a joy. I'm just, I'm sitting here, I'm reclining on the sofa, but I see myself and I, when I recline, I'm all the way like your head's up here and I'm all the way down here

[B]

and I'm like, you're also really far from your mic now.

[A]

Well, this is the. Oh yeah, this, I'm too far.

[B]

You can get that other pillow. I've got pillow stack.

[A]

No, I'm just do this. There we go. This is a reclining friendly microphone. Now go on, Ronnie, tell everyone.

[B]

Hi everybody. Welcome to the show. Today is Southern Hospital day. We are here in New York doing our cabaret. It is tomor night, Friday night the 5th at 7pm and 9:30pm Eastern Time. You can stream that, get tickets at watch what crappens.com or on our Instagram link in bio. You can buy tickets up to showtime, watch it for a week after. It's a big party in there. It's a lot of comments and it's like a chat room and stuff. So that's really fun. Thanks to everybody who came last night and we'll see you then. Also, if you want this video Recap. You can get videos, also bonus episodes. This week was a Love island cast preview kind of thing. And I do a weekly blog recap of all the shows. So if you want to read some old TV gasm, trash talk TV style blogs, that's free. Just sign up over at our patreon. Patreon.com. watch what crappens. Let's jump right into it. Right? Would love nothing more.

[A]

Would love nothing more in this episode.

[B]

Southern hospital towel.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Will we ever see what's happening at on air, the new restaurant bar?

[A]

Will we ever? Will we ever? So guess what? Very exciting for this cast. Their first ever real deal reunion that was not just a bunch of stools crammed together in the Bravo clubhouse. They got an actual set where they made it look like Republic. So everyone arrives, which means they also got their first ever. Or at least as far as I can remember, maybe they did it last year. They are getting an arrival montage. Oh, my God. Happy reunion day. I'm tired. I'm sleepy. Well, you look crazy. Oh, little things under your eyes. W. No crying today. All that good stuff.

[B]

Michaels is like, oh, my mom was like, you're so ugly when you cry. I love his mom. I'm starting to love his mom. She was so mean to him. But I don't know, I'm kind of loving it. She's like, oh, God, please don't cry. You look so ugly when you cry.

[A]

Somebody's like, I just want to get on stage and get this over with. I was like, yeah, no, I want. You know what? I want to get over being joy bottles. I want to go from being joy bottles to like, Joey W9 filler out or just be like an adult. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, okay, whatever, Joe. It's gonna be, like, really hard for me not to be like, Molly Moore's like, ass. Like, she's a compulsive liar and like, so is her twin Mia.

[B]

So Brad checks on TJ and he's like, are you nervous? And she's just like, no. Is that a beta blocker or is that you? Which I feel like is just such a fair question that we just all need to be asking each other every day. Is this your beta blocker? Is it even you? Like, who am I talking to right now?

[A]

Well, but also, to be fair, what

[B]

happened to good old fashioned rage and terror? Yeah, bring back. Just. Just drug free. Just raw dogging it through life, you know?

[A]

But also, like, does TJ really have emotions? He's pretty kind of even keeled like, when he's upset, he's like, I'm like, really upset. And you're like, are you happy now? Now I'm like, ecstatic. Like, okay, well, I think anybody who

[B]

thinks TJ doesn't have emotions should look at his threadbare carpet because there is nothing left there. He's just his vacuuming. His emotions are just vacuuming over the same spot over and over again, season after season.

[A]

Very threadbare. His eyes just go left and right like a Felix the Cat clock. Ronnie, I have a bone to pick with you. What? I texted you last night.

[B]

You did?

[A]

And I said, remind me on the Valley recap to ask a very important question. And you did not remind me.

[B]

Did I respond?

[A]

And doesn't matter.

[B]

I didn't respond. I didn't see that.

[A]

You did not remind me to ask the important question, which is, why do Janet and Jason have a grandfather clock in their house?

[B]

I respond, I laughed. In real life, why do. If anybody is going to have a grandfather clock, it's going to be Janet.

[A]

Like, why do they have. I know, it's probably like, it's a family. No, I think it's actually. I'm gonna say it's Jason's. I think, I think Jason's the type to be like, well, this grandfather clock was passed down for generations, so I just gotta have it. There's. I. I don't think that Janet wants that grandfather clock. You walk at the door to Jen and Jason's house and directly to the right is a grandfather clock. This is not a grandfather clock house. It's like a. It's a, like a two bedroom house in the Valley with a low hanging hood over the. Over the stove. This is not for grandfather clocks. I thought that was so funny when I saw it. And I apologize that I'm bringing it up in a different recap. But I needed to get off my chest because otherwise it would eat me alive.

[B]

Yeah, there's someone else out there. Like, how can you not mention the grandfather clock? Do you even watch these shows anymore?

[A]

It just was so discordant with the rest of, like, their lives. I'm gonna say Jason, like, forced that grandfather clock on them.

[B]

I'm gonna say, I'm gonna go with Janet because Janet seems like a very grandfather clock. I mean, Janet is a grandfather.

[A]

You think she has grandfather clock energy?

[B]

Yes, totally. It's just like, constantly.

[A]

But Jason has.

[B]

Why is this here? And people, like, it's necessary. It's a clock. It needs to be here. And you're like, shut it up. And then right when you. Right when you start to relax, it's like, here's my.

[A]

Here's my theory. For Jason's first apartment, he didn't know what he was doing, so his mom came in and said, okay, I'm going to furnish this apartment for you. But the mom put in all, like, mom's touches, which is, like, furniture that is just like, you know, mom furniture. I say this because I remember my parents did this to my brother's apartment. And so, like, it was like a very nice dining room table, but it was, like, you know, more antique, like, etc. And I feel like his mom did that. And then he. For every apartment since then, he just carried the same furniture over. And then when they merged households, he's like, well, I got to keep the grandfather clock because my mom bought that for me. And my. My first apartment. I feel like he has carried over furniture energy, just as you say, Janet has, like, grandfather clock energy. I also see him as someone who would bring in a grandfather clock from place to place. Yeah.

[B]

And have attached Mama. I think that's Janice. Mama's clock.

[A]

We'll get to the bottom of it.

[B]

But you know what? If you're in a couple where people can't figure out which one of you is the grandfather clock person, you're probably very well matched.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, either one of you could be the grandfather clock person at that point.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. So good for them.

[A]

Okay, back to this show.

[B]

Okay, so Lake sees Michaels, and she's like, do you have some words to say today? And he's like, I have some. I have something to read. Okay. Michael's.

[A]

Wow. Okay, great.

[B]

Michaels coming in. You know, I would think that Michaels would watch this season and be like, you know what? I'm going to come into this, and I'm just going to, like, try and be nice. I've been kind of an asshole, and I've scrimmed at a lot of women this season. I'm going to really come in and just, like, be humble. I think that he. Instead, he's like, I'm going to wear a choker scarf, and I'm going to

[A]

read a. I think he's. I think he thinks he's a little bit more fabulous than he is, unfortunately.

[B]

I think he thinks so gay. Has a lot more eyeballs than it has.

[A]

Yeah. All right, everybody. Welcome to the Southern Hospitality Season 4 reunion. I'm your VIP host, Andy Cohen. Feeling a little bummed that no one from this crew added me to the group chat. I don't even know what group chat even means. Does that mean I'm out of touch? I don't know. Good evening.

[B]

Le.

[A]

She's like, hi, Andy. How are you? Good. Okay.

[B]

I mean, like, look at the set. Like, I was, like, in tears earlier. Like, it was, like, such an emotional moment for me. Like, Lamar and I literally built this at, like. Like, it's huge. It's huge for us. It's huge for the city. I would just like to congratulate the city. You are welcome that Love and Lamar are here. We've changed this place.

[A]

Thank you so much for also including these mannequins of older gentlemen in Tommy Bahama. It just really adds some authenticity to this, like, Republic vibe that we have here.

[B]

I really appreciate the fact that it smells like bar rot and uncleaned bar in here. Really? Really. There's. There were no paper towels in the bathroom. I mean, it's just like being at Republic.

[A]

Yeah. All right, well, we know you're not Joe's mother effing mommy, but did anyone on your staff come to you for advice today? Yeah, a couple of them did. They were like, leva, how can I be a better business woman? How can I be more fabulous? How can I open up something on King Street? You know, things like that.

[B]

You know, Link, I love your mom. Did she give you a mantra for the day? It's like, yeah, like, I'm smart. I show grace. I'm a bad.

[A]

Okay, that's great.

[B]

And.

[A]

And, yeah, I love her. She's great. Okay, Joe, who planned your outfit today? Chad, GPT or Maddie or. Actually, my suit. Like, I was gonna pick didn't fit, so I'm wearing Michael's talks from the GLAD Awards.

[B]

Wow. Yeah, well, you were my talks last year for the reunion, so I think this year, I think, like, every order is gonna, like, switch off.

[A]

I was. Was I not the only one who was like, how does Joe fit into Michael's blazer?

[B]

I don't know, because does. Isn't Michael's, like, 10ft taller than Michael's is?

[A]

Like, Michaels is. Yeah, he is huge. We saw him at Bravo Con. I'm sure many of you guys.

[B]

Very tall man.

[A]

He's tall. He's wide. He's, like, a tall, muscular guy. He's, like, big. And, like, Joe's just more like. He's not small, but, like, I just would not have thought that those were two people who could easily interchange.

[B]

There you go. So then we talked to Maddie. It's 12 years of sobriety year for each step I'M sure, like, yeah, it's my birthday. So they applaud her, and she's gonna go pick up a chip later today. Is it that easy? I guess you wouldn't have to prove anything. It's not, like, show your id Give me a blood prick to prove it. But you just can just go in and be like, hey, I'm in New York. Hey, guys, I don't know any of you, but I've been sober for 12 years. Like, oh, my God, here's the golden chip. I love three things. Maybe I'll go in there.

[A]

Yeah. Y got a chip. Dealer chip.

[B]

I said, yeah, I've been sober. Ish.

[A]

Yeah. So Andy's like, all right. That was great. That's great. Mia, Hi. You know. You know, I know you went out a little bit with Wes Wilson. Are you gonna reach out to him now that you're in town?

[B]

Oh, God, absolutely not. Absolutely not. I mean, God, he's got to get married to her at this point. He's got. I mean, it's just too big of a deal. He's got to get married to her at this point. Well, Mia, I'd like to congratulate you on finally doing something this season. Fortunately, it was off camera. Okay, let's make a little bit more of an effort next time.

[A]

All right, Michaels, what does your outfit.

[B]

Mia has so many controversies with people that she's, like, had things with off camera. Yeah, west, she had the Shep thing. I mean, the step thing was gross. He was just, like, grabbing her butt or something in a bar. Who else didn't she hook up with? Some other Bravo person, probably. All right, sorry I interrupted you for that very uninformative break.

[A]

It's all good. Take it. Take it. Take it away.

[B]

Then Andy's asking Michaels about his outfit because it's crazy. It's not crazy. He's just wearing a scarf choker, as I said, and he's like, almost for somebody's funeral. He's like, whose funeral? I'd say a few people. We're gonna put a lot of lies to rest. I brought a binder today. Stop it. Stop pulling out the money. You know, I normally like Michaels very much, but he's. He's fraying me.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You brought a binder. It's not even original. You're like the third person out to bring a binder, so.

[A]

But it's color coordinated because I'm gay. It's my favorite part about it.

[B]

We know.

[A]

All right. Molly, Hi. It's like, how tall are your heels? Tonight, they're tall. Yeah, five inches.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

I don't know if you know. I guess you did so little this season that all I have to ask you about is your heels. It doesn't even make any sense. Okay. Hey, Justin, did Charlie give you any advice? Yeah, she said shut down the love bombing allegations, so.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Love you, Chuck.

[B]

Love you, Chuck. Did he get my job?

[A]

That's, that's more your category than me.

[B]

He didn't look any different.

[A]

He looked a little different, but I couldn't tell why. What was, what was. I assumed it was just his hair styling.

[B]

Oh, maybe that was it. He looked different. He also came in different because I think he realized, or maybe you read comments or something, that we're saying he did nothing this season except make smarmy, disgusting comments about women. And then now he's like, yeah, I'm gonna change it. I'm gonna make a splash of myself by just arguing with women for no reason in storylines that have nothing to do with me. Yeah, what about. What a bomb.

[A]

I feel like. I think he just was. He didn't have his mustache. I think that that's how he looks.

[B]

He had a mustache.

[A]

I think all season he had, like, a little mustache. I think he had, like, a beard mustache thing. I think so. I think it was sort of like, instead, it was more like five o' clock shadow. I don't know. I, I, I have to go.

[B]

So we check in with Grace, Lily, and T.J. and, and, you know, hi. Hi. It's 20 pages of hello. And then we get to Emmy, and she's like, yeah. Hi. Thank you. Thank you for having me here. I'm really gonna be here. Well, you look very beautiful. Last time we saw you at a reunion, Will decided at the last minute. Not. Sounds a lot like a wedding that's coming up.

[A]

Well, yeah, I mean, he's, he's not here tonight. He's not even in the stage. Okay. I was like, okay. Did he give you any advice? Like, don't talk about me. And she's like, well, his only piece of advice was to get on that reunion stage. I was like, that's rich. Coming from Will, of all people.

[B]

The Will who didn't get on the

[A]

reunion literally did not get on the stage.

[B]

It's also just advice from someone who literally does not care what you're doing. Do you have any advice for me? Well, I mean, get on the stage or going to a reunion. Right. So go to work. Do you have any advice for me? Going to work today.

[A]

I mean, go yeah, it's like the most basic. Like, I'm not paying attention. I'm drinking coffee and answering text messages from people.

[B]

You don't.

[A]

I'm not going to show you.

[B]

So. And he's like, okay, well, congratulate all of you, but especially Lake Michaels and TJ on winning your first GLAAD award. And everyone claps like, so. Wow, Michael, speaking of, what apps are you banned from?

[A]

Congrats on excellence within the gay. In the gay community. Now tell us about the things that you've done wrong. So he's like, hinge and Tinder do both.

[B]

Hinge and Tinder.

[A]

That's a little. That's crazy. Yeah. And they're like, why? He's like, I never fell. No.

[B]

Were you wearing the scarf?

[A]

It was Molly's fault. Like, I mean, everyone gets banned on Tinder. I was like, do they?

[B]

No, they don't.

[A]

I don't know. I mean, I don't know. And he's like, well, did you try to post nudes or something? He's like, maybe I put like Scandi pictures on my profile. I don't know. I mean, it's like cat. Like a little Speedo pic. I speak a razor. Lee's like, yeah, you just probably had like a really big bulge, you know, like Bob Marley.

[B]

Levo, you've been in business in Charleston for over 12 years now. Wow, that's crazy. You went into business the same week that MADD got sober. How do you feel about that? Do you feel like that's very supportive? Leva, Maddie got sober and you opened a bar. What the hell are you doing?

[A]

Leva, is anyone allowed to own space on King street? That is funny. 12 years. Big number. Surprised they didn't talk about that.

[B]

It's like, yeah, I mean, like, anyone's allowed to own space on King Street. Yeah, I mean, like, we're friendly with everybody. Like, we're a big family. Like, we really try to keep it local, you know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah. Very boutique owned. Very, like, Zack Stacks. Just like, so boutique. So we can do your art and have a daiquiri.

[B]

Would you rather a Target or Zach Stacks?

[A]

We just want Zach Stacks to cover all your needs.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If you're gonna go camping. Zach Sacks.

[B]

Wow. Wow. I'm dying to know what's the biggest tip each of you have gotten. Tj, we already know yours is Michael's.

[A]

Anyone else like, well, I mean, it's like, well, I sold like a ten thousand dollar bottle of champagne, and then there's like autograt on that that stands for auto gratuity. And then they, like, tipped on top. And then, like, that was probably like a 3, 500 tips. They were great. It doesn't really reaction. Don't care. This is just to tee up the following question, which is, what type of tip did the WAN give you, Joe?

[B]

Molly's like, I think he gave her the tap. Yeah, Molly, that was the.

[A]

She just gave me eggs and bacon. Actually,

[B]

Emmy, you said you'd been written up at work once. What was that for? I was like, oh, my God. What? What was it for? I remembered I called the police after, and I was traumatized on the bathroom floor.

[A]

It was no call, no show. Don't you remember no call, no show from last season? No call, no show. No call, no show. And we see the no call, no show. And Michael's like, y', all, no call, no show. So then Andy's like, okay, well, who else here has been written up? And Molly's like, I've been written up once. A girl. You've been written up three times while I was a manager, so not just once. Okay, three times.

[B]

Three times. Yeah, three times. One for fighting with another bartender, and the other for bad reviews. I mean, come on. That was really bad. And then, you know, like, for not showing up for work because of your other job. And that was while I was the manager. So, yeah, you've been written up more than once.

[A]

And then Michael's like, yeah, you want to see why? You want to see what? You want to see a review. Here's my review. She's pulls out a Yelp review. And the Yelp review is, like, my biggest problem was the bartender, parentheses blonde female. She made and placed another drink in front of me. And I was, like, surprised because I didn't tell her that I need another drink. And she gave me attitude by saying, like, I asked you twice if you want another drink, and you told me yes. And she said that in, like, a very abrasive tone. And she clearly left the bad taste in my mouth. And, like, this place is a thumbs down for me. Yeah.

[B]

But a blonde woman behind the bar? That could have been anyone.

[A]

Literally. Oh, my God. There's a blonde woman in Charleston.

[B]

A rude blonde woman behind the bar. Wow. But Michaels does have a full binder, and he's going through papers like, you want to see where I wrote you up?

[A]

Also, I'd like to know about this Yelp reviewer, too. Like, yes, that does sound shitty. But also, like, I can also imagine someone going to the bar. Well, I didn't order this. Why are you giving this? You literally asked for it twice and you said yes. So like, this is your drink. I never said that. I'm gonna Yelp after this and you're gonna go kill yourself. You know, you're like, what the. You know.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, Yelp. Yelp reviewers aren't generally the most trustworthy, but Molly's a goddamn liar anyway, so I'm gonna go with a Yelp reviewer on this one. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a grappling.

[C]

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[B]

So Michaels is like, yeah, that was bad. And Molly goes, yeah, well, I think people in general are a lot harder on women. I was like, okay, that's true. But you've still been written up three times. Yeah, stop.

[A]

So then Lake is like, yeah, Jordan's never gotten a bad review, guys, just so you know. Jordan, like, I was like, what? George never got a bad review. Okay, you said they're harder woman, but Jordan always has good reviews.

[B]

So I'm like, well, is she blonde? Because people are really hard on blonde women. And he's like, no one has it hard in this world than a blonde woman.

[A]

I barely know who Molly is, and I definitely don't know who Jordan is, so we're just gonna move on. So when cameras picked up this season, viewers were shocked to learn Molly was fired. In the off season, viewers from coast to coast were saying, wow, Molly.

[B]

Molly got.

[A]

Molly got fired from.

[B]

Molly fired from where?

[A]

Where? They were saying it in unison. They said, I can't wait to turn on my favorite program and see Molly back at work doing what she does best. Bartending. And then after that, they said, what? This show is Jumped the shark. Molly's not bartending anymore.

[B]

I got a comment from my mother from home and says, andy, why the F Would you put Nancy Grace on your network but ask her where she got her work from? What an asshole.

[A]

Wow. Wow. Goes to viewers wondering, so how did you go with the theory that Michael's fired you because you knew too much about his relationships? Where is relationship?

[B]

Yeah. So she's like, well, that was just an initial thought. Okay, so you're admitting that that was.

[A]

It was.

[B]

No apology necessary. Okay. No apology necessary. Yeah, well, that was an initial thought. And upon kind of discussing it with the other members at Republic and kind of comparing my facts, I think it just became it was a little bit more because I wasn't a follower of his. Okay, Molly, so you're just a liar at this. You're just lying again. You liar. Apologize for lying, Molly, because this has been a long time that you've let this lie go, and now you're just saying it's because you weren't following him. Is that why you were written up three times too? Is that why the Yelp reviewer wrote that about you as well?

[A]

Molly, what I also loved is that when she said, because I'm not A follower of his. So I assumed naturally that she was saying, like, oh. Because, like, I don't just do anything he says. I don't just, like. Like, bow down at the. At, like, at the altar of Michael's. And he's like, what do you mean? She goes, I was not. Not an Instagram follower. She's like, I literally didn't follow his Instagram.

[B]

No. I thought she was saying, no, not Instagram follower. Like, because someone was like, on Instagram. I think Grace Lily was like, on Instagram. And she's like, no, not Instagram.

[A]

Oh, I think.

[B]

But I mean, maybe that makes more

[A]

sense, because I was like, oh, this is all about being following on Instagram. And he goes, understudy. And she goes, because some people don't understand. I was like, wow. And then I'm realizing now that I'm one of those people. Wow.

[B]

I mean, maybe I misunderstood.

[A]

One of us didn't understand. So Molly is not.

[B]

It's just so insane. It's just so stupid. It's like, here's the Molly plot. Oh, wow, What a shocker. Molly's story is changing yet again. You know, it always does.

[A]

And he does this thing because when she's a little sassy, when she goes, well, some people don't understand. And it seemed like it was directed towards him. And he goes, oh, he does that thing. Like, he bobbles his head left and right while he looks at his notes

[B]

like, someone's sassy today.

[A]

I'm only the boss around here. I guess I'm only 10 times more famous than any of you guys. That's okay. Sass me all you want.

[B]

I got a boyfriend now. Love is like. I mean, if you were fired just because he didn't like you, I mean, you know, he'd be written up or at least, like, he'd be fired. Like, how many do things.

[A]

Michaels, we got a lot of feedback on social media about the way you spoke to Molly. And you see close of me and sympathy optimal. It said, michaels should have known better. He's in a position that sets the tone for the staff. How do you respond? And also, does your scarf feel the same way?

[B]

And he's like, you know, I. My apology still stands. That was wrong. I take it. I take accountability. And Molly's like, can you look at me when you say that, for Christ's sake, Molly, it's more than you ever do. When do you ever apologize for him also, literally, no.

[A]

You're at the end of, like, a very long line of people. It's like, Asking someone to, like, address the person at the end of the iPhone.

[B]

Yeah, I can barely see you down there, Molly.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Where are you? You're at the end of the couch.

[A]

He's like, well, I was looking at everybody, so, like, sorry. But, like, yeah, I mean, my apology still stands.

[B]

At the end of the day, you're nothing but nothing.

[A]

And everything I said on that park bench still stands.

[B]

So we see a flashback to the apology at the park. And the next question is. Miles, you were definitely harsh in your delivery this season. We got a lot of response from viewer. Nell from Carter said, give me a break, Michaels. I need you to get those emotions in check. First it was Molly and now Lake. Why are you snapping on your friends like that who just happen to be women every single time you snap?

[A]

Mia's like, yeah, watching back that summer, the way I wasn't even in the room when you were treating Lake so horrendously. I would never even think about treating my friends the way that you guys treat each other. And he's like, yeah, you don't know our relationship at all. Like, us? Yeah, we're brother and sister. I'm like, you know what? I like, like. But I feel like my patience is running out for her a little bit, because it's like, I feel like we rode so hard for her when he was being such a dick to her, and I was like, this is so mean. And then she's gonna turn up like, we're like brother and sister. That's. Well, then, okay, if you're gonna be brother and sister, then don't come complaining to us about it. Okay.

[B]

Yeah, Well, I mean, we just finished doing the Valley, talking about Nia, always enabling, you know, a shitty man. And, you know, it happens in all different kinds of relationships. Seeing it again, it's like, you know, here's. He's a guy who's gonna yell and scream if he gets upset because he's a fragile little man. And so now it's like, what do you do? You just enable him, and then you, you know, you. You excuse him. You make excuses for him so he doesn't yell at you.

[A]

But Michaels has a very reasonable response. He goes, y', all, we have a very brother sister relationship. We literally chase each other at each other's apartments with knives. I'm like, yeah, is that a brother sister relationship?

[B]

He goes, who chases each other around with ice?

[A]

Yes. Well, my siblings and I did that growing up. Like, we do that together. Like, it's pretty normal running around with knives.

[B]

Everyone's like, what? And everyone's looking at each other like, I don't think this is normal.

[A]

Oh, my God. If you're trying.

[B]

I mean, at least the Menendez Bros. Aimed that. Aimed it at their parents.

[A]

I know.

[B]

You know, geez.

[A]

But also, like, if you're trying to assuage rumors of you having rage issues, like, maybe saying, no, everything's fine. It's like a normal thing. We just chase each other with knives. I'm like, yeah, not the best.

[B]

Yeah, not good. So Joe's like, well, I think it's like, you're a big guy and, like, you have a powerful voice, and you really. You really do get great suits, especially for gay awards, so thanks to that. But, you know, like, I could help you. You know, you gotta, like, soften it sometimes.

[A]

Yeah. By the way, they're right. You are gonna like the way you look.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So Michaels is like, I'm learning. And Molly, do you accept his apology? She goes, yes. Oh, okay.

[B]

You know, we all went through a lot this summer, Andy. You know, I went through a lot. Molly, you didn't do. You made a charcuterie.

[A]

You made the world biggest charcuterie in the history of Charleston.

[B]

All you did was struggle for reasons to fight with people that you could never quite come up with. So now you're remaking things up now for this reunion.

[A]

Molly.

[B]

But again, I have to say this many times, I'm being really hard on Molly today, but I do love seeing effort, and God knows this girl tries very hard. So she's just. I'll give her. I'll give her that. She is trying very hard.

[A]

She's just excited to be there. I. I still will always remember at Bravocon how she stood outside the big building, and they had pictures of everyone there up on the side of the building, and she's at those, like, those steps that went down to the street. And she stood there in this big purple gown, like everyone's dressed like. Like whatever, like, you know, convention goers. And she's in this big purple gown, hair blown out, like no one knew who she was because, like, we'd already forgotten who Molly was. And I was. I was like, that girl. I think she was on Southern hospitality. I just remember she was talking to someone because. Wait, wait. I just want to see my face up there, because I've just never seen my face up there. It's just really cool.

[B]

So she was up there. I thought you were going to say she was the only one not on.

[A]

No, she was up there. She was, like, having the Steps. She was having this moment. Like, this could be it. Let me look at myself on the side of that building.

[B]

I would do that.

[A]

Oh, you know, not only would I do it, I would take 10 pictures.

[B]

100% like, you know how Times Square is all just electronic now? There's no actual, like, billboards or whatever. I was like, we've got to be able to hack into this somehow.

[A]

I know. Everyone I know.

[B]

There will come a day when put ourselves up there.

[A]

No, what's gonna happen is they'll. We'll. We'll get a billboard on Times Square, and then we'll go to take our selfie with it and we do it. It'll be like, oh, template couldn't load. Yeah, exactly.

[B]

Page not found. Okay, so then we go to Andy. He's like, we'll leave it there. Hopefully Molly as well. Do we have to bring Molly back? Seriously? Okay. My mom really does hate you, Nancy Grace. Okay, I want to talk about Justin. First class cam on Twitter.

[A]

Is that like a.

[B]

This is a cat. This is a cam girl. Because he's, you know, it is because

[A]

he has, like, an only fans, right? Yeah.

[B]

So, you know, this is some girl. If you, like, clicked on this, it would be, you know. Yeah, you shouldn't click on it. Around your nieces on Twitter says, Justin is good looking and has a great sense of humor. This is not real. So this has to be a bot. No one said this. Who watches this show. It's gotta. Wow. Justin, good looking in a sense of humor. He's honest and not afraid to be himself.

[A]

He's like, yeah, that's TJ's burner right there. It's like, all right, Levo, what qualifies? What qualities does Justin have that you wish Joe had more of? What the.

[B]

What kind of question is that?

[A]

She's like, oh, that's so awful. And I'm very ready to answer that. Well, I think Joe and Justin are equally wonderful. I think there's a confidence in Justin that I wish maybe Joe had more of. Just like, wait, what? I lost confidence until. Confident until just this moment.

[B]

In what way? I was very confident about my. My bar, restaurant, tennis club, putt putt golf, bowling alley, car wash that I wanted to open with you.

[A]

Like, did you not know that, like, I love love and that, like, weddings were like. And I'm, like, really confident about that.

[B]

Yeah, Justin just, like, gives less of a. And like, I wish, like, you know, he gave less of a. Does that make sense? Like, am I allowed to say that?

[A]

I guess I Guess what I'm trying to say. What I need from Joe is that, like, if he's interested in doing something, I need him to act like he gives a. But I also want him to, like, not give a. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

[B]

Like, I really wish that Joe would be, like, less people pleasing, really, Because Joe went off and did whatever he wanted and didn't please you, and now you're pissed and are gonna punish him

[A]

for the next five years.

[B]

So. What are you talking about?

[A]

Well, I mean, I think that she's basically just saying, like, like, joe, we need you to give a. About your career, but you. You need to just, like, chill out on what. What you think people think of you as, like, a celebrity. Just do the job, I'm assuming. I don't want to put words in love is mouth. God.

[B]

I think it's a nice way of saying grow the up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Be more mature.

[A]

So. And he's like, question. Joe has asked you to go into business with him for years. Did you consider him when you were opening a new establishment?

[B]

Yeah, we, like, had a serious talk about a rooftop. So we did it. Me and Lamar did.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And he's like, well, why didn't you decide to do something with him? And he's like. She's like, well, Joe had a salary, and, like, he was given a ton of autonomy to, like, do it, but, like, he was given this money, and then he would just, like, disappear, you know, and then I'd be like, joe, you have to come back. And then, like, Joe wouldn't come back. And, you know, it's, like, bad. You have to come back. If you're at a restaurant, you have to come back. Yeah.

[A]

First it was like, there was their birthday month, and then it was like, maddo sec. And then it was like, I'm networking with business, Maddie. And I mean, it's just been, like, two years, and after a while, it's like, we don't know if Joe even wants to be here at all. You know? It's like, well, yeah, I want to grow. Listen, I want to graduate from, like, being Joy Bottles. I want to be Joy Rooftop, you know? And, like, I don't want to always be, like, the guy that's, like, hosting the party. I'm, like, so dedicated to this that now I only stay at Red Roof Inns. I'm, like, really into this, and I want to evolve and be a businessman, too. And, like, looking back at our meetings, I wasn't mentally there, and I just feel like since last summer, I've, like, come a long way. Like, a long way since last summer,

[B]

you showed up at work for two months in a row and then asked for a business job. That's not how it works. If you want to graduate from being Joey Bottles, then you have to. You graduate. Someone doesn't just hand you the diploma, babe.

[A]

He's always declaring that he's come a long way. Like, literally, it's like. It's like, I've. I've decided I've come a long way. It's, like, based on what? That I said it? Because I said it.

[B]

Yeah, I said it. Did I say I came a short way? Okay, there.

[A]

Notice that took me longer to get here today because I took the long way.

[B]

Yeah, but, like, when you open a business with someone like Joe, like, I'm not just, like, asking you to clock in. You. You just. You just have to show up. Like, it's not like Lamar and I are. Like, it's not like, whether we ask you to come, you just have to, like, come, you know? And then I put you on salary, and you're just kind of like. Like, I mean, I can't find where you are. I mean, that, to me, it's like a red flag, Joe. It's a red flag. Well, I've come a long way with my flags. Yeah, there's not even half flags. You just have holes in the ground. You didn't even really know what you were golfing towards. Yeah, but I have flags now.

[A]

Yeah, it's a long way.

[B]

It's a long way.

[A]

It's a really, like. It's a really long way.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Well, do you have any new business plans on the horizon? Yeah. So, like, right now, I'm starting my own concierge travel company in Charleston. It's called Come a Long Way. Yeah, it's going really well. It's actually called King Street Concierge, but, like, it's on joe bradley.com, which is actually being hosted by A Long Way services, and that's using dream hosts. But the dream has come a long way, so.

[B]

And we see JosieBradley.com he's like, yeah, it's, like, kind of what I've been doing the past few years, like, concierge travel. So, like, I'm gonna, like, travel. I'm gonna, like, plan people's trips. So, like, if they go on a trip, I'm gonna be like, you should go on a trip. They're gonna be like, yeah, I'm gonna be like, you should come to, like, Charleston Be like, yeah, you should go to Republic. Like, yeah, so it's, like, all focused on, like, Republic. So, like, we're gonna send people to dinner Republic, and then, like, for drinks, they can go to Republic. Or if they, like, want to go sightseeing, they can see Republic. Yeah.

[A]

What.

[B]

What kind of travel service are you doing that revolves around lovers properties? This doesn't make any sense.

[A]

Do you like Bubbles then, like, come to bubbles and Bubbles and Branch or bubbles and bourbon.

[B]

What?

[A]

Hey, question. Do you like Dax Shepard? Well, then maybe you should come to Zack Stacks, because I think it'd be really good for you. Like, things like that.

[B]

I'm just. Yeah, it's like travel, but it's focused on all seven of our properties, none of which are hotels or travel destinations. I know. And I was like, yeah, it's brilliant. Like, it's fun. Like, it's. I mean, it allows him to have boundaries, you know, and, like, it keeps him in the family. Like, I think it's a great place for him to make his money. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. I'm also starting a concert series with our new location on air, and I'm hoping to do, like, two or three big concerts a year. And I don't want to brag, but. Well, he booked Jesse Solomon, and he's coming in for a night.

[B]

Wow. Huge concerts. It's basically Willie Nelson. You're killing it.

[A]

And he goes, oh, Andy. I. I do love Andy on these, like, lower rent reunions because he's. He's just so funny. He's like, was that a hard booking?

[B]

Jesse Solomon. Wow, was that rough? And Joe goes, no, he reached out to me.

[A]

And Justin goes, congrats, Joe. You landed Solomon.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

You answered your phone with Solomon called. Congrats.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Oh, wow. Well, clear Republic crew has drama that runs deeper than the bed of Joe Bradley's truck. They spread. Okay, so now we go into. Oh, no, this is so good. And the spark that ignited all that drama was a shocking revelation, which, for one person here, sucked harder than a back alley bj.

[A]

Brad's like, oh, damn, Maddie. Positively uncensored from New Jersey. Oh, that's the person I thought I was saying that Maddie was positively uncensored. Maddie, this person says, how can you accept that Joe was in the group chat making sabotage plans to sabotage your relationship with Trevor? Don't you feel manipulated by him? Well, okay, here's my thing. Joe is very dumb. Have you seen him trying to write a business proposal? He's still talking about rooftops, so I knew he wasn't really that active in the conspiracy. And I know for a fact that he was kicked out of it when we were in Miami because he showed it to me. And then everyone was. We were really upset. And then when I asked Brad and TJ about at the reunion, they were like, no, no. Joe had nothing to do with this.

[B]

Yeah. And so we see a flashback of Brad saying, Joe had nothing to do with this. And she's like. And that made me be like, okay, then I've got the facts right. And Joe's like, yeah, the initial group chat, like, I was there, like, of course I was excited about Trevor cheating. You know, we all thought he cheated. We're so excited. I was like, yes.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But, you know, like, I didn't know what Brad was talking about, you know? And me is like, yeah, but, like, I mean, he. He did cheat, right? He did cheat at some point, though. Like, maybe he didn't cheat that time, but, like, he still cheated at some point, right?

[A]

Grizzly is like, I didn't think so. She was like, I mean, not with Sammy. Like, not with the paid actress. Like, paid actress. And so they're like, yeah, you know? And Brad goes, I mean, you think I would spend any kind of money is laughable on. I'm like, she literally got up there and was like, had cue cards. Like, Trevor came in and he touched my friend.

[B]

It's like Trevor kissed me in the street or whatever. And he's like, yeah, I wouldn't spend that money. And they're like, you would pay. I think she got paid in, like, workouts or something. Yeah. So me is like, well, I mean, Trevor has cheated on Maddie before. They're like, what's the big deal? So, like, it was a lie then, but it wasn't, like, before, so who cares? Yeah, but she had already forgiven Trevor. Trevor for that and gotten back together with him. And then you guys made up another time so that she would break up with him again. Mia, like, come on.

[A]

It really is me.

[B]

I can't play down because Mia is one person that's not an idiot. Yeah, come on.

[A]

Mia, do you think your relationship with Joe started because of a lie? Well, I don't know. I don't know. Emmy's like, well, you broke up with him because of a lie, and then you were single. Well, it's more so, like, the show was airing and it was, like, embarrassing

[B]

to watch back, but, like, do you feel like it fell into Joe's arms and could you have done that at Republic? Because that would have, like, kept it more in the family, which Lamar and I had to talk about it. We would have really appreciated that.

[A]

Yeah, we're actually thinking of opening up a new space called In Joe's Arms, but Joe's not gonna be part of it.

[B]

Except the restaurant's just not there. Once you go, I'll come all the way. I just put it on Google Maps. It's like pop up locations. But then once you arrive, it's not there because it's completely undependable.

[A]

Yeah, but when you try to find out how long it takes to drive there, it just says, it's a long way.

[B]

Then you get there and you get a T shirt, and it says, I've

[A]

come a long way. Yeah, it's on rooftop.

[B]

So Maddie Michaels is like, yeah, like, literally, I watched her live out of her car for, like, three weeks. That was terrible for her. Maddie's like, yeah, but like, guys, like, Joe's a good partner regardless, and I want what I have with Joe for everyone here. And Justin goes, yeah, I don't know if I want that. Shut up, Justin. What is Justin coming in for and making all these snotty little comments on the side? Justin, you didn't earn this. Okay, sit down.

[A]

Yeah, so Maddie's like, like, well, I didn't. I don't think Trevor and I were gonna work out in the first place. So I just wanted to make that decision myself in my own time versus going through the turmoil that I went through. Well, yeah. Well, T.J. and Brad, you recently went on a podcast whose name shall not be mentioned and said, joe's hands are dirty when it comes to the group text about the Trevor lie. So what is the truth? Yeah, and like, well, wait, like, I always wash hands. Don't you see, like, the thing in the bathroom that says employees must wash hands? Like, they're so stupid. Like, why don't you read something Right?

[B]

Brad's like, the knowledge of knowing.

[A]

My God, this show meaning, like, he. He was aware that this was happening. He didn't say anything.

[B]

The knowledge of knowing.

[A]

The knowledge of knowing.

[B]

So wait, knowing. So that's our next restaurant. Knowledge of knowing. So wait, knowing about your, like, lies and your conspiracy. And he's like, no, no, no, no, let me speak. It was knowing that knowledge. You were a part of it just as much as Emmy and Wilbur. Okay, so Bradley, which is it? Because Bradley, you know, Bradley had an easy season because Emmy is legit in the wrong against Bradley. Okay, so Bradley's had a very easy season because he's been able to be like, no, Maddie's or Emmy is so wrong about this thing, which he's correct. But Bradley is also a liar. And Bradley did do this thing, and Bradley did come on the reunion to say Joe had nothing to do with it, and Brad did kick him out of the group chat. So which is it? I mean, were you lying then? Are you lying now, sir? Because you were lying at some point.

[A]

Point. Well, I think we all can agree that knowledge is knowing, and knowing is knowledge.

[B]

Knowing that knowledge, knowing that knowledge. The knowledge of knowing.

[A]

It's almost turning into Sondheim a little bit. Every moment is a moment for the present moment. So Maddie's like, it doesn't matter. Okay? I came with these people over and over again asking, is this true? And they also was true. And that respect that we were friends, whatever. And Lake's like, yeah, look at that little vein popping out of her head. Who's waiting? Was the rumor the real person that you broke up with, the real reason why you broke up with Trevor? And she's like, andy, no, stop. It makes me feel. And he's like, oh, okay, I'll do the bobblehead. Like, okay, then.

[B]

Okay. I was like, he's a piece of. Okay. There's, like, plenty of reasons you broke up with that guy. Okay. Yeah. And man's like, let me finish, you guys. God. It's like, I just feel like that you only wanted to be my friend because you, like, had this guilt. And, like, at any point, you could have said something, but, like, instead, I had to find out from Emmy four hours before the reunion. And, like, we broke up primarily because of those arguments, you know? Like, I just. I couldn't believe him.

[A]

Yeah, he does sound like pretty shitty things. He's, like, a piece of.

[B]

Yeah, but of course you say that, Joe. You're like, his number one hater.

[A]

Like, yeah, well, everyone says that. Like, the whole town does. Like, knowledge is knowledge is knowing.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Okay. And, like, the whole world thinks that of him. Sorry.

[B]

And Brad's like, there's a video of that girl grabbing his dick in the street. That's not appropriate. It's just. Yeah, because you told her to do it.

[A]

It's knowledge of knowing. You know what I'm saying? It's like, no. No one told her to do anything I didn't tell her to do.

[B]

She's like, girl, I read 30 pages of the group chat. Yes, you did.

[A]

No one told her to do. No one told her to do.

[B]

And just like, I would love it if that. This was the last time I hear that guy's name. Yeah, you will. But it's. You're never gonna hear the end of it because they're really. Your relationship started this way in this shitty way. When you break up, it's still gonna have something to do with this 20 years later even. No together for them.

[A]

You don't understand. This is the woman that wants our family with. Okay, Like, I'm like, really serious about it right now. I've come a long way with this. So, like, I just don't want to.

[B]

Yeah, he wants to, but she. He's a liar. And at some point she's gonn like, yeah, I had like this guy that I really loved and you guys all tricked me. And I've never really been that into you, Joe. Okay. I mean, you carry a good suitcase.

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[A]

Well, Maddie, a lot of viewers commented on you crying over Trevor. Fancy Face on Twitter said, I'm watching episode two this season watching Brad and Maddie talk about Trevor. It's funny.

[B]

It's.

[A]

It's funny. Not for Maddie's, her feelings, but more so because Joe is lurking in the background. She's expressing how much she loves Trevor. How do you sit with the level of emotion that Maddie still has surrounding Trevor?

[B]

Joe, it's not about Trevor, Andy. Okay? And Justin's like, feels like it is. Justin, you just got here.

[A]

Hey, for the amount of times I had to see that motherfucker's name in the comments, people like talking like that. She saw. It's like feeling like that's like an insecurity for me. But then I wake up and I realize that like, she doesn't give a about him. She loves me. The man in Michael's jacket.

[B]

So Maddie's like, whatever. Like, it's not about Trevor. Okay? And Joe's like, well, I'm not a jealous person. But like you hear it over and over again. Okay, so like, what am I supposed to know? Okay, who here thinks Maddie's not over Trevor? Anyone? Justin's like, well, I vibe and I see you talking about it and kind of turns me on.

[A]

Michael's like, of course it's you. And Emmy's like, you don't even know her. Justin's like, yeah, it's just my opinion on it. I mean, it's easy to admit that you have like feelings. Whatever.

[B]

No, no whatever. You're not even here, Justin. I don't know what your issue is with me, Justin. Like, I'm sorry, I'm not. You're like, you know, in your vanilla village at Vanilla Villa.

[A]

And he's like, what I love is like, what the is Vanilla Villa? And I'm just Like, oh, if the group chats on the other side, the

[B]

other other village, and it's called Vanilla Villa, I mean, it's like, I don't know. I named it.

[A]

I know I'm not allowed to. Well, said I should not comment on Vanilla Villa.

[B]

They told me to change it. They didn't really like the name White People Warehouse. This one was vanilla.

[A]

I was gonna go for scared in the bathroom for my life. So Joe is like, well, I think the fact that Joe feels insecure about it says something about it. So, you know, but he's like, you're

[B]

getting really defensive, dude. Yeah, you're getting really defensive.

[A]

Yeah. So then Justin's like, yeah, why does Joe feel insecure about it? And, man, he's like, okay, you know what? I'm defensive because I've had to fight for myself and. And it's not been believed. And he's like, yeah, he's constantly has to hear about Maddie's ex. It's a lot. TJ's like, well, Manny, what do you need for us to drop this and move on? What?

[B]

Maybe drop it and move on instead of everybody bringing it up every time she's on the screen. Like, seriously? I love that. She didn't bring it up. They brought it up. She's like, oh, God, we're talking about this again. They're like, what do you need for us to drop this? To drop it?

[A]

How many carpets can I vacuum for you for you to drop this? Yeah, because I can do a lot.

[B]

If you're gonna drop this, could you drop it on my rug? I need something to vacuum.

[A]

She's like, okay, I forgive, but I don't forget. Okay. Mia's like, okay, well, that doesn't seem very forgiving. Okay, Maddie, I am curious. And I was like, no, I wasn't in the group chat. Okay. I wasn't. It's okay. Maddie, please. I don't like it when you put your hand in my face. I'm trying to tell you that. But I'm curious if you reached out to Trevor since finding out that he didn't cheat on you.

[B]

No.

[A]

No. And I have no idea what he's doing in his life. So then Emmy's like, everybody else does.

[B]

I love it. And he's like, he reached out to me. And she goes, what? And Michael's like, yeah. And I saw him at a restaurant in Charleston. They're like, yeah, he got a new car. Yeah, I moved to France. He moved to France? Yeah. He's got 10 children. 10 children. He runs a Community theater now, what of mimes?

[A]

It is France, after all. So Joe is like, is he doing pedicabs in French? And, I mean, no, he just wanted me.

[B]

I thought that was so funny. Is he doing penny caps in France? She's like.

[A]

And he goes, he just wanted to be freed of the false cheating rumor allegations. Yeah, Nothing says guilt like innocent. Until, like, this guy moved to France.

[B]

People accused you of cheating.

[A]

That means it was a bit too real. Sorry.

[B]

But it's also with his parents, because they're like, yeah, he went to France with his parents. He had to leave the country to be with his. To be. To get away from all the alligator. I'm sure his parents were like, we're going to France. You want to come? He's like, yeah, I do. I, I drive, I drive people around on a bike. Yes, I want to come.

[A]

I can't imagine this guy being in France. I, I, I. First of all, I apologize already to France for this guy. But, like, I just can't imagine him like, like, just engaging with French people. They're just probably like, the French are

[B]

like, why did we give them statue? Trying to encourage them to hold their arm up. Please put your arm down.

[A]

No, seriously, we're exploring the wrong things.

[B]

So, yeah, he left the country. And Maddie's like, oh, my God. Like, I would too, after what you guys put him through. Okay, I would leave the country too. And so Andy's like, okay, Connor. Connor from Connor's Swanner says, maddie, you never actually apologized to Brad for starting the blowjob rumor in the alleyway. Is that true? And Maddie's like, well, I mean, look, I saw you with a girl that wasn't your girlfriend in the back La Republic. And okay, it was inappropriate exchange. So I went to the girl that you went on two dates with at the time, and I said, so is my girlfriend or a girl I went on two dates with? And she like, Kayla. And so we see Kayla, and she came up to me, Republic, and asked me a feel on Brad. And, like, usually, like, I'll lay it out there. So I was like, protect your heart. And that's all I said. Like, you know, I never told her about what I saw or anything like that.

[A]

Say, but there was nothing to see. We were walking.

[B]

I mean, you were a single man. Like, it's okay. You can get blow jobs.

[A]

I mean, I know it's okay. I would just admit it. Yeah.

[B]

But we had this conversation with Sir Wieners, and you were like, you're right. I was back there with Someone that wasn't my girlfriend.

[A]

Okay. So I think the point is he's waiting for an apology, and it doesn't seem like that's gonna happen.

[B]

But I never lied.

[A]

He's like, but you just. You just admitted that you saw me back there, and you never said. But you never said. Then you don't jump to the dumpster and you're saying, like, I was like, blow job. It's a lot different from. Than just, like, seeing someone back. The blowjob is different from seeing me walking with someone.

[B]

Well, she did say, like, an inappropriate exchange. Okay, well, then inappropriate. So what is it then, then, Maddie? Sexual. It was sexual. I think she's trying to, like, compromise. Like, okay, the offensive thing that Bradley heard was blowjob, so how can we make that less offensive?

[A]

But Andy is now mad at Maddie because Maddie has sort of sassed Andy off and basically told him to shut up once or twice. So he's like, maddie, it does seem like you're someone who does expect apologies from your friends. Okay. And Matt's like, yeah, but I can tell you, I only apologize if I'm lying. And I never lied.

[B]

And he's like, okay, but you are lying. It's like, no, I. Where it's needed. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. It's. It's hard to know, like, without video evidence, but I've always believed that Brad was around with some girl by the alley. But I think it's because I'm a guy and I'm a gay guy. So, like, getting a blowjob in an alley is not that foreign of a.

[A]

But I remember the context of this. Was that, like, there at that time. This was. This was season one, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And this was before there was the lie about Trevor. This was when Trevor was actively cheating on her. And they were like. And they were saying, like, Trevor's, like, not gonna be good. So it felt like Maddie was retaliating. Like, you don't. Like, like, okay, now you're gonna see what it's like when someone talks about you and your personal life.

[B]

Oh, I didn't remember it being a retaliation.

[A]

I remember.

[B]

I mean, the other way around.

[A]

I mean, don't trust my brain too much.

[B]

It was a long time ago, but I thought. I thought that it was Maddie just making a comment like, oh, my God, you guys. Like, Bradley was getting a blowjob in the alley. You know, I didn't even remember it being like. Like, whoa, you guys. Bradley was. Yeah, I thought it was just like, ahaha. Bradley was Getting some blowjob in an alley. He's like, why would you say that? I have a girlfriend. She's like, oh, sorry, but you were getting a blowjob in the alley.

[A]

Yeah, I don't.

[B]

That's how I remember it. And then Bradley retaliated by being like, oh, really? You're gonna say that about me? Then I'll say that Trevor was cheating and up your relationship.

[A]

Yeah, it's. It was many years ago, but if someone wants to rewatch that and report back.

[B]

But as I recall, I remember thinking Bradley did get a blowjob in the alley. I believe that. And I also believe that Trev was cheating. So I believe both of them.

[A]

Yeah. Everyone could be right. Everyone could be right. Yeah, I believe situation. Here's one thing we do know that's happened since season one. We've come a long way.

[B]

They've come a long way.

[A]

Long way. We're softer. We're softer now.

[B]

So Andy asked Joe if Maddie's issues with Brad and TJ affected his friendship with the guys. And he's like, I mean, I'd be lying if I said no. And Maddie's like, yeah, but you have your own issues, Joe. And Brad's like, what are your issues, Joe? Then? And Justin's like, can I phrase a viewpoint here? Because, like, I. Joe's voice did to me that there's, like, a layer of separation between him and being friends with me and TJ because there's an issue with Maddie and TJ and Brad. I'm so sick of women keeping men apart.

[A]

Yeah. We see on air footage Joe hanging out with the guys. He's like, I shouldn't have to feel guilty about hanging out with my guy friends, especially on a rooftop, my favorite place. And Justin's like, no, you shouldn't. Brad's like, do you feel guilty on our end or more or less with your girl? He's like, I just want her to be like, joe, go. Go get, like, drinks with the guys. Like, but, like, it's almost like she has this resentment if I do that. I'm like, yeah, I don't think it's because the guys. It's because you're always doing that and you're not there for when you need. When. When she needs you.

[B]

Is it that she has resentment for you going out with guys or that you're going out? Like, is it going out and drinking or is it going out drinking with these specific people?

[A]

Yeah, because you.

[B]

It sounds like you're kind of saying that to get the pity from the guys and be like, yeah, what a. So you'll have someone on your side. But I wish they clarified that.

[A]

I don't think that. Yeah, I don't think that she cares if you're hanging out with Brad and tj. I think she cares that you're not doing your work and you're not being ambitious and you're going out.

[B]

Yeah, right, right. We've heard her all season that he's going out too much instead of working. I'm just trying to think.

[A]

I'm like, no, I just did this because I was like, I love how I'm like, your. Your. Your aunts are telling. Are trying to explain things to you. Joe, let's just.

[B]

Joe. I mean, it is kind of exhausting on this show because sometimes, you know, and we talk about it a lot. We're so much older than the cast that it's just, like, I feel, like, constantly nagging. But this is your fault because you didn't do that. Why didn't you do this? And why didn't you call into work? And you should have gotten written up, young lady. And, you know, I feel like the end. Like, I'm just tired. I feel like a mom who knows needs a day off. Yeah.

[A]

So Justin says, like, I think the reason that we don't hang out is I think that Maddie, you have a hold on Joe and you limit him to hanging out with us. And everyone's like. And Mia's like, that might be true.

[B]

Well, yeah, Mia, because you're anti Maddie and everything that happens today, you know? And Justin's like, well, I think it's the truth. And Maddie's like, oh, my God, if you think I can control Joe Bradley, you guys are insane. Like, I haven't even seen. Like, I've never seen you guys hanging out outside unless it's at the door at Republic.

[A]

If you guys think I can control Joe Bradley, that is absolutely insane. Joe, get the car. We're going somewhere. Oh, okay, guys, I gotta go.

[B]

Sorry, bad news. Lost the car.

[A]

Go, Joe. So Justin's like, yeah, I think you can control him. Like, nobody can control a man.

[B]

Yeah, but, like, that was the whole. Like, that was the whole narrative. She's like, you need to seek help. Okay. I mean, if you saw our fights this summer. And Justin goes, just seek help. In what sense?

[A]

With your computer?

[B]

I think it's absolutely the truth. I think it's worth a conversation. Just, like, how do you get to the point where we can move forward and communicate? Well, that's up to you. You say that you support my business, but you never have unless there's a camera there. And there's plenty of events I've done around the city, and I've traveled out of town and seen you DJ with that cameras multiple times. And I don't feel like it's reciprocated when it comes to you and Joe. And like, every month I have a second Sunday for this past 16 months, and you guys have never come to support. And, like, you know, you say you are, but then three or four times in a row, you just forget and you don't show up. And in my head I'm like, is that because Maddie's telling Joe not to go?

[A]

The hot dog conspiracy has entered the chat. So TJ is like, or is that your own decision? And forgetting that it's the second Sunday of every month, why haven't you come to my hot dog stand more? So Joe is like, okay, it's more me being a piece of. I'm forgetting it has nothing to do with horror. So I get that out of your head. Like, I really bad about not coming to the second Sunday. Like, I feel really bad that I have not turned my entire calendar and schedule over to being there to. To witness you selling hot dogs.

[B]

It's, like, different because, like, second Sunday, is it like the second. Is it like a Sunday that's the second? Because, like, Sundays aren't always the second. So, like, I don't. It's really hard to keep track of.

[A]

Well, I'm trying to eat better, so I'm not trying to have two Sundays.

[B]

So Maddie's like, okay, well, I support you and your business. And you're right, I haven't been supportive. And, like, I'll come. So. Okay, okay.

[A]

Because it's either been. I've been out of town, or I live 45 minutes away. I'll just let that hang out there. I live 45 minutes away. So it'd be me having to drive 45 minutes to eat a hot dog. But anyway, yeah, I'll do it. It's a poor excuse, even though it's a really good one, if you really think about it. 45 minutes. Just let that sink in a little bit longer and I'll just like, I'll try to show up and support your business, your hot dogs. I'll.

[B]

Hey, it's me. Gracefully. I gotta pee. I gotta pay. I'm here too.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

God, why are we still talking about everybody else? Animals. I'm gonna go peeing. When I come back, I want to Talk about hula hooping.

[A]

All right, we're gonna take a break. Oh, my God. When can I leave this thing?

[B]

So now they take a break, and Maddie's telling her glam. Like, oh, my God. Like, I feel like I'm the only one talking, and, like, I'm popping the off. But, like, everyone talks, and then they get face to face and they're silent. It's like I'm the only person not silent. I mean, even Joe Bradley's the worst of it. He talks so much, and then he's just, like, a people pleaser in person. It's crazy.

[A]

You need to be like a man. You need to talk more. Joe, he's like, yeah, well, no, I had cotton mouth, and I literally couldn't formulate sentences. So if I start. Start attacking them, I feel like we were never gonna, like, move forward in our friendship. So like, even, like, Brad was right next to me, and I said, paid actress. And he paid like an actress. He'd, like, definitely better in workouts. Remember I said that? Remember that part? That was right before the cotton mouth set in. So it was, like, a really good moment right before it got really dry in my mouth.

[B]

And she's like, yeah, well, I'm sticking up for myself. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He didn't really go.

[A]

This is a stark difference from Amanda and Wes, I'll tell you that much.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So in another dressing room, TJ is like, there's, like, some sort of controller, like, power. She has, like, a power. And Justin's like, yeah, I don't know how. I don't like how she didn't apologize to you, Brad, about that. That sexual encounter in the alley. That's crazy.

[B]

It's like, yeah, she wants to only take accountability. She wants to take accountability. What she so chooses to to and not for actually what she's done wrong. And if anything, I was, like, single to their point, so I just. So I would just own it. Like, it's up.

[A]

Like, yeah, yeah. Like, because if you're a guy and it's like, if you get your dick sucked, it's like, it's like, cool, you know?

[B]

And Molly's like, yeah. I mean, since when is it bad for a guy to get his dick sucked in the alley? Like, who cares?

[A]

Yeah. I'm telling people I got my dick sucked. Like, that's what I'm doing, you know,

[B]

putting it on my only fans so everybody gets back to the stage. All right, well, whenever Grace Lily shows up, a wavy baby attitude is always in the cards. But this year, Grace Opened up about personal struggles. And even a tarot reading couldn't have predicted that. Grace, your blood with Maddie, about the girls, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. We did a poll on Watch what Happens Live about who was a better friend, and everybody voted for Maddie. Do you agree? It's like, you know, that obviously, I don't know, like, who votes? I mean, who needs it? You know what I mean? I mean, it's the free. If the country's so free, then why do I have to pay for things? That's my question. You know, even the other day, I went to the store and I got some water, and they asked for money, and I was like, water comes from God. Ask God to pay for it. And then I left and they sent the police after me. What am I supposed to do about it?

[A]

Well, here's a question. Why'd you make a joke that Maddie pegs Joe? Oh, I was just frustrated with Maddie, you know, and. I don't know, I went out shopping and everything, and I bought this, like, really cute dress. And it's expensive heels. So. Kind of hurt my feelings a bit that she didn't tell me it was a pajama party. So I don't know. It's not really an excuse. And I do apologize and I take full accountability for saying that Joe takes a dildo up his ass.

[B]

Okay. Yeah, I understand. I still think you look cute that night. Grace.

[A]

Lily.

[B]

Zach. Yeah, well, it wasn't a very expensive dress. I mean, it was just like $250. I mean, it wasn't a pajama dress, though. Know, that's the thing, you know, because if I knew it's pajama dress, I would have worn pajamas to the party. But I didn't know. I didn't know. You're a really shitty friend for not letting me know.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

You just got over that. Grace. Lily, come back. Come back. Oh, yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Were we talking back again?

[A]

So now Andy is. Starts talking about Grace's journey to sobriety and. And compliments her for being brave and vulnerable, for sharing it and everything. And. And it's a. It becomes a more of a serious segment. I will say this is definitely the most kind of like, present. It feels like Grace Lily's been at one of these reunions or even on the show. She's like more like just like a normal lady just talking as opposed to like, crazy. And she talks about her, like her group going to group therapy, and she's trying to do it on her own, and everyone's like, no, you should go.

[B]

Yeah, you can't do it on your own. You know? You know, it's not at the serious point yet when someone's like, yeah, I don't. Just decided to recover on my own. You never like, no, that doesn't work.

[A]

Yeah. Like, she's going to aa, but she's not doing any group stuff yet. Right.

[B]

And which isn't really doing it on her own. So I'm wondering if she tacked that on. Yeah. Because when she said, no, everyone's like, no, you can't do it on your own. She's like, well, I mean, I'm doing the AA thing. Well, okay. Well, that's not doing it on your own. And so she's going to therapy, and so I'm getting more health than ever before. And they don't seem to be buying it. Everyone's kind of looking at their shoes, and love is like, well, I mean, please continue, because it's, like, not an alone journey. And, like, I mean, please find a group of people that you can fall on, because, like, you know, as a person who works in a bar, like, you really need someone to fall on.

[A]

Literally.

[B]

I mean, God, people fall down a lot. Listen, so, yeah. Especially if you're around us. Lamar and I had a conversation. We do not want to get sued.

[A]

Here's our thing. This is gonna be a hard journey. Doing it alone is very, very difficult. So my recommendation is to focus on your sobriety while doing activities in Zachary. Zachary's. I want you to get hypnotized by alcoholic drinks swirling around for hours on end.

[B]

Just think it's really important for childish minds to be surrounded by addictive substances that appeal to children in. So come read Cars of Zachary's Daiquiris, and maybe you'll be around like a buzzy bee, you know, Jesus revival, which is a really good pina colada.

[A]

So to remind everyone, come to Zachary's Daiquiris for daiquiris and also an art show and also art making and also tarot card reading.

[B]

Next time you're at aa, maybe you could suggest that they do an event at Zachary's Daiquiri's. Like, it's. It's a good place. I know you've really loosened our regulations on tennis shoes.

[A]

I know you're into AA, but have you considered ZDs? Zd? It's my favorite pasta.

[B]

Just tell AA that Zach Stacks also has aa, which is double appetizers at happy hour. That should come by really supportive of you. So Andy's like, okay, I want to talk about your arrest. In December, you were arrested on harassment charge after. After your ex boyfriend reported you to authorities and alleged that you had attempted to gain access to his apartment and gaining custody of a cat that the two of you share. You stole a cat? You stole a cat.

[A]

Was this the thing that we saw last season when she snuck into the house and got the cat and ran out?

[B]

Yeah, I think so. That she came and. Oh, wait, was it that.

[A]

That was her cat?

[B]

Yeah, he did see that on camera. She went and took the cat.

[A]

Maybe there was another cat. Cat. The cat came back the very next day. You know, that's the old saying.

[B]

You stalked him in pursuit of gaining custody of a cat that you shared together.

[A]

I love this. It's a very serious thing.

[B]

You're right. That was on camera.

[A]

It's a very serious thing. But I do kind of love this.

[B]

Well, yeah, listen, if you're gonna do drunken antics, do them well. And this is.

[A]

This is like, Luanne, you're stalking me. You're stalking me. I'm. I don't love you. I don't. I just want your cat.

[B]

That was a very expensive cat. That was a nice cat. Got, from what I remember.

[A]

Good for her.

[B]

And she's like, well, I can tell you this. My attorney feels very, very confident that I will not be convicted of anything. My attorney also agrees water should be free.

[A]

And so then it's like, okay. And then in March, TMZ reported that you were pulled over in December, and you're in position of 12 Klonopin pills and were obtained by without subscription that they were obtained without a prescription. What's the status of that?

[B]

That's gonna be dropped. That will be drop. Take it from a lawyer. Me take it from a lawyer who could have known to wear pajamas today. That is gonna be dropped.

[A]

We wish you the best. And I'm just reading here that your legal counsel is Will. So good for you. Good for you.

[B]

I'm healthier. I'm happier. I'm hula here. I've never done more hula hoops in a row in my life. Even my mom said she was holding a little dog when she said that dog peed on her a little bit. And I was like, mom, I told you to wear a napkin on your shirt. And she said, p goes through napkins. I was like, then where's she? She said, p goes through sheets, too. I said, get rid of the dog, Mom. And then my mom started crying. It was really awkward. Maddie, you really should have thought better before you talk to my mama like that.

[A]

Wow. So does anyone want to have an awkward transition out of grace? Lily is struggling with sobriety and hoping to beat the charges against her by the lock. Because here comes one. Speaking of living authentically, TJ and Michael's hooking up while watching the Housewives of Salt Lake City was definitely a moment.

[B]

Man, the husbands on Salt Lake City can't even get boners. But YouTube did.

[A]

Oh, so did any. Did the Housewives make you horny? It's like, no. But, like, the season had just started airing. We're already behind because we're filming at the same time, so we had to, like, multitask.

[B]

That's so funny. Like, oh, my God, we're behind me for the first time. Let's just have the show on. Yeah, we'll just.

[A]

We'll hear what happens.

[B]

Yeah. And TJ's like. I think it's like when you, like, put music on in the background, you know, something like that. And they're like, housewives is your music. They just both look at her and they're like, yeah.

[A]

One of the first guys I hooked up with put on Law and Order svu. And it was like, we'd be hooking up svu. We'd be like, hooking up. And you hear, dun, dun, like, not even joking.

[B]

Oh, shit. At least get me some criminal intent event. That mob one with Christopher Maloney.

[A]

Well, you know Mariska Hargitay, so, you

[B]

know, she's in a. She's in a play right next to where I'm staying. She's doing a one woman show called Every Brilliant Thing or something. And they've got. You know, she's got tons of people going like, oh, my God, Mariska Hargitay. That was amazing. What a delight. Like, really? I mean, I like Mariska, but I can't imagine her in a one woman show. But that.

[A]

Well, maybe she should tell her dad not to charge so much for plants at his nursery in West Hollywood. How about that?

[B]

Oh, really?

[A]

You know Mickey Hargitay's nursery?

[B]

I know that.

[A]

Yeah, that's. So that's her dad and he has a. There's a. It's a nursery and they have all sorts of plants. It's very nice. Everything is so overpriced. It's a real issue I have.

[B]

So is every little thing.

[A]

So if you happen. That's my every little thing.

[B]

If you see Broadway shows, if you

[A]

see her, be like, can you lower the prices on those succulents? Thank you.

[B]

Yeah. So Andy asked if this is the first time they did more than make out. And they say, yes, okay, you ate a guy's butt and basically got for the first time on camera watching Real Housewives. Honestly, what's happening to the world?

[A]

I'm about to say this seems like gold for a lot of people,

[B]

so.

[A]

And is like, well, Heather from Gay says, oh, my God. God, what was it that you put on your butt that Michael's thought tasted so great? And then Molly is like, it's bum. Bum cream. But it's like. They're like, what? What? And Molly's like, yeah, it's Sol de Janeiro for the ladies. And Grace, like, yeah, I use that stuff. And they're saying how it tastes good and smells good, whatever. And he's like, okay, could someone explain the anteater reference? What do you not get about it, by the way? Of course. Andy is, like, dwelling on this.

[B]

Yeah. He just wants to know about the day. And Grace was like, what? What's that mean? And they're like, it's an ant eater. I don't know who do that. Why was he eating ants? That's not even feeling Grace. An ant eater. I don't get it. What is that? It's a dick Grace. How come? Because it's not circumcised. Oh, like o'.

[A]

Sheen.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

Oh, no. I mean, there's nothing wrong with it. Nothing wrong with it, by the way. And like's like, yeah. When it gets hard, it goes out of it. So it, like, works out and just like. Yeah, it's science. Okay. Like, cars go in the garage.

[B]

So, Michaels and tj, when was the last time you hooked up? Were there any fingers involved? Did you do it today? Tell me about it. Did you get it on your phone? Could you airdrop it to me? I'm Andy.

[A]

TJ's like, like, hook up. Like, me make out. It was like in New York. I was like, oh, Michaels, what's up with you and DJ today? Hey. Well, here's the thing. Like, you can't, like, sit there and just, like, act like things are not weird. Like, after watching the season back in the way that, like, things played out, it's just, like. It's, like, weird to see where we've, like, ended compared to where we were before. He's like, what's weird about it? My vacuum cleaner still works. So as far as I'm concerned, everything's great.

[B]

Yeah, well, there's only one frustrating things for me because, like, my ox relayed his message to Liz, which is his best friend and roommate works for Apollo. God.

[A]

Yeah, this Liz from Rhode Island. I live with tj.

[B]

You. You. You want to mess with me? I don't think it's very smart to mess with me right now. I guess I'm the bad guy in the situation. So basically, some guy said that TJ came up to him at a party and said everything that happened between him and Michaels was only for story, and it didn't mean anything. And TJ's like, when did this happen? Did I have a vacuum in my hand, Aunt? And he's like, it happened at Cassidy's engagement party. And he goes, meanwhile, Molly's like, did you ask him? Why don't you call him immediately, Colin.

[A]

Also, of course they went to someone's engagement party. They went to an engagement party for someone named Cassidy. So TJ is like, well, I wasn't there. I wasn't.

[B]

I was at home even at that party.

[A]

I don't even know who Cassidy is. Yeah. Except Michael's like, well, I don't know who's partying, whatever. And TJ says. Says it's not true. I'm sorry that you felt that way or what you heard and about that. That's what you heard and you took it to heart. But, like, we've also been, like, really up and down for the past six months. So just, like, you can't blame it on. On me. And, like, that's just not fair. Like, what else is there?

[B]

So Andy asks if he has real feelings for tj, and there's a very long pause, and he's like, no, not anymore. Okay, so you do. And then Maddie's like, you did. And he goes, yeah. And TJ goes, well, you never expressed that. That. And Maddie says, even before filming. And he's like, well, I mean, I did when we were in New York. And TJ's like, yeah, but when I asked you, you denied it. And you also made it with three people that night. So, like, you can't turn that on me. Yeah, like, how could he not know? I know Michael's the fourth guy you made out with.

[A]

Seriously, like, you're like, oh, yeah, Like, I had feelings, but I had to put up a wall. It's like, no, you were making out with guys. Yeah, seriously. And then when there was only TJ left, you banged him. So Andy is like, well, when we saw you on the show, TJ said, you told me that you love me in the club. Is that how you feel? You just. You just didn't seem to back it up. He's like, yeah. I mean, just like, after that, it was like, next morning. I mean, basically, TJ is like, yeah, and he'll get drunk, and I'll say he loves me, but then he, like, ignores it. And then when I tried to talk to him about it in the Dominican, he was like, did I say that? Whoa. I wasn't getting anywhere. So, like, it's not fair to me. It's not fair to what? That you're putting it all on me. Don't make me look like I'm the best.

[B]

I mean, that's true.

[A]

Tj.

[B]

TJ was the more mature one and brought it up and tried. But TJ also did it in this way. Like, well, so do you like me? And are you gonna admit it? I mean, you know, Michaels probably wants to feel something, too.

[A]

Like, I think.

[B]

But I think TJ probably feels a little gun shy, because he did last year, and he was like, I do like you. And Michaels was like, and now. And so he kind of, like, let him down in that nail salon or whatever. So now TJ's gonna make him do it. And Michaels is just lot.

[A]

They also carry a lot of baggage, both of them. And I think they're also in, like, an. In a. In a geographical space where it's, like, difficult, and they just. I think they just. They have a. They. They just can't emotionally connect because they have their own going on. So TJ is like, yeah, there was an attraction, and then the lines were blurred and that.

[B]

So now the question is Emmy making fun of the age gap or judging the age gap? And TJ's like, you always comment about my age. And Emmy's like, I mean. Well, I mean, hello

[A]

over there. Like, Gandalf the Gray.

[B]

Like, people offer their seats to you when you walk into it. I'm pretty old.

[A]

Grace, Elliot's going to aa. You're going to aarp. Am I right?

[B]

Anyone?

[A]

Anyone?

[B]

And. And he's like, yeah, well, I mean, you're calling him grams. He's 30. And Maddie goes 5, 35.

[A]

He's not even in the coveted 18 to 34 age bracket anymore.

[B]

He's, like, in a different Nielsen family at this point, Andy.

[A]

It's like. I mean, who is he? Just, like, a wisp. So Emmy is like. Like, yeah, that was. You just. No, I was just being mean. This is being mean. It's a crazy slack. We don't do ageism, right, Andy? We even think someone as old and decrepit as you, Andy Cohen, is still a viable person for someone Y', all,

[B]

even Andy Cohen still has a penis. Probably has your penis. Eat and ants.

[A]

Andy, what was it like in the horse and carriage days if your penis still eats ants?

[B]

Do people have to mush them up first because you're so old?

[A]

What was it like the first time you got a refrigerator? Was that exciting?

[B]

Okay, yeah. I'm a real grandpa in the group.

[A]

God.

[B]

Thanks, guys. Emmy, you sparked a lot of conversation this season. Was, it was your first season without Will in the group. Do you think that made you racist?

[A]

And she's like, well, well, I, I, I, you know, like, he was. I, I, I really don't want to, like, talk about this, you know, but like, yeah, I mean, I'm getting married and like, it just like, it sucks. Okay. Like, it, it really sucks. Well, is there any part of him you think that even, like, like when he goes to Bravo con stuff, like, it's sort of like he's like missing being on the show. No, I mean, honestly, no. He was like, very comfortable and like, look, you don't understand, man. He's gonna be a big time lawyer doing. He's gonna, he's gonna specialize in horse and buggy lawsuits on the cobblestones of Charleston. So he's really excited for his next chapter of his life.

[B]

You'll love that, Andy. Horses.

[A]

Just like the old days.

[B]

They're gonna have radios in them, right? No, they're horses, Grace.

[A]

He's specializing in mint julep litigation. Because, you know, Will is just gonna be one of these, like, Southern lawyers. He's like, you see it? He's gonna be like, wearing the white pants and like, he'll go to like, things like that, like the white hat, whatever. And he's just gonna be like, well, I hear that your whiskey still was broken into. How can I help?

[B]

Yeah, it's gonna be like a boring kind of low level lawyer, you know, like sidewalk law.

[A]

He'll have like a, like a wooden sign that's like sort of swings. Be like William and William Esquire.

[B]

I'll have like a country club membership. But it'll be like the back table.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Like no one really there. He'll be like, barely kind of making it in there.

[A]

He'll join his dad's law firm. So finally his dad can finally call it Culpin Sons. Yeah.

[B]

Copen. Finally. Not a disappointment for a minute.

[A]

Yeah. So he didn't miss anything. Okay? He doesn't miss any of it. He doesn't really care. Okay.

[B]

Yeah, he missed. Even with the Bravo con people are what is this idiot doing here? God, he wasn't on the show. It's like. Well, I mean, like, you're damn if you do. You're damn if you don't, you know? I mean, he's my fiance. Fiance. Like, you know, everyone's fiance's and boyfriends come to bravagon. So, like, I mean, my fiance, like, oh, he's still gonna support me in, like, a weekend event. Like, you want to support me? Like, oh, what am I supposed to do about it? All right, calm down. Can we get Emmy a bowl of water?

[A]

Well, people gave him a hard time for even coming to BravoCon when he wasn't on the show. What's your reaction to that? Well, yeah, like, I said, damn if you do, damn if you don't. And, like, like, he was very supportive. I was with you the whole time, and he was very supportive. Like, that time when you're like, will go in this picture with me, and he went, as if. Or that time when he was, like, flirting with that other girl. I thought that was supportive. And he was, like, taking pictures of her, but then afterwards, he'd be like, oh, I was taking pictures of the wall, and she just got into frame. He was, like, really cool.

[B]

He was hanging out with my mom and my sister. He was so nice. He asked them both for their phone numbers and asked if they wanted him to, like, take them to the bathroom room. So sweet.

[A]

TJ on Watch what Happens Live. Hey, that's my show. We asked if you'd heard any new cheating rumors about Will since he left the show, and you said yes. And he goes, yes, that is factual. Somebody goes, okay, you know what? We need to drop that. Okay? This is not okay. I love that, like, Emmy's allowed to tell someone to drop something, but when she's told to drop something, she's like, what about. What about. What about what about what about? She goes, I am not not talk about Will on this TV show anymore, okay?

[B]

Inappropriate. I will not discuss it. This not cool. I will not talk about it with you guys. Not cool. Not okay. You guys. Not okay.

[A]

What we're not gonna do is mention Will's name on television, so give me some grace.

[B]

So funny.

[A]

What?

[B]

And tj. And he's like, what? Did you hear, DJ? It's like, shut up, baby. And DJ says, well, I was in Colombia. Like, Colombia?

[A]

No, Columbia, I think. South Carolina.

[B]

Is that a place?

[A]

Oh, I think it's the capital.

[B]

Is it Colombia or Colombia? Because I need. I need to know, because I love that DJ would Just be touring about in Colombia.

[A]

He's like a Medean and he meets a lady who's like, welcome, here's your Airbnb. Oh, I heard about Wilco.

[B]

You would not believe what I heard about Wilco.

[A]

So he's like, I was in Colombia touring an apartment building with a friend and the leasing lady recognized me and she was like, I have to tell you something.

[B]

Yes. Messy Lisi lady. Love it.

[A]

The Columbia Columbia leasing lady.

[B]

I love the messy Columbia leasing office lady.

[A]

She's like, I was out this past weekend and me and our friends and Will's group friends were like, intermingled and this girl was like, going home and Will insisted on taking her home, so.

[B]

Well, that's not cheap.

[A]

Not a strong one, tj.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Especially honestly, if you're hearing from like a messy ass land lady from. From, like, Columbia, South Carolina. I don't know.

[B]

Will is not on this TV show anymore. This is not okay. I will not sit here and listen to you. Some point, it's just a straw going up and down. So TJ's like, well, have you apologized yet? Like, it is inappropriate. All the comments that he made about me being. All the comments you make, you making about me being predatory. Have you apologized for that? And so now we see she went on Nick Vile, of course, this messy ass. And

[A]

do you know how many comments I got about that? People were not happy with me.

[B]

How dare you call it Nick.

[A]

It was funny to me.

[B]

But he is so messy.

[A]

He really is messy. And he has a lot of bad takes. I will say that he has a lot of bad takes.

[B]

Yeah. And you know what he does when he has a bad take? Take. Well, any take he has. But he's like, yeah, I was thinking he's like trying to give you some bicep. Your take is still bad. Like, thanks for doing the push ups. Okay. But some of us are confident enough to have bad takes like this.

[A]

Yeah, I had a fun time on the show, but he has. He does have some wonky ass takes for sure. So TJ is like. He's like, yeah, I'm not going to move on with her, especially after that podcast. So TJ is saying there's, like, not a day that goes by where I don't think about how, like, one of my closest friends called me a predator on a podcast. Like, the podcaster as Emmy, if she ever thought that, like, Joe was blacked out drunk and I was the one making the moves when he was sleeping. And she sat there and I'm like, oh, my God, why? I don't think so. He's really upset about this and he's saying that he opened up to her and like, like, you know, for you to go with the narrative is like, really damaging.

[B]

It's like, but I listened to that podcast like 500 times because I was on it, and God, I was like, I'm like, I'm so hot. Like, even in audio, like, I'm. I'm just like so good looking. But, you know, like that part I listened to so much and I said, you know, I never thought about it that way because the story I heard from you was that Joe was making the moves. And so that's what I said. And then he said, I don't care about who is making moves. I mean, Joe's blackout in the situation and he doesn't remember the sexual acts. So I mean, like, why? It's just that I never saw it that way. And then I clarified why I didn't see that way. And he's like, but you. But all you said to clarify was, we've heard it from TJ non stop for two years. You never said once. Because that's what I heard come out of Joe's mouth. And she's like, but Joe's never really said it like that. I don't know, like what was. Was. Who am I to say who was sexually assaulted? I don't know. How am I supposed to know?

[A]

So GJ is like, you know what? And then the next day you repeated it, so I know you remember. Well, I mean, he said at my apartment. I mean, like, what, what if. What. What if I did something to you in my sleep? Because what. What happened? It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what the happened. It doesn't need to be talked about. The fact that, like, you didn't stick out for me, it's not that hard. I feel like you were just like, following suit, like, of your fiance. Because, like, that's what you do.

[B]

It's like, I mean, I was. I was uncomfortable. I was uncomfortable. Okay, I don't want to talk about it. I mean, it's just like kind of like what we will not do is bring up Will is not on this show.

[A]

Let's bring up Will. Okay, so. So after last year's reunion, Emmy went back to our hotel suite and had a booming phone call that would echo throughout this entire season.

[B]

I forgot that they wrote down everything that they were saying. They were writing in their notes app. That was so funny. They were putting all the notes apps on the Screen.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so let's see here.

[A]

Andy basically is like. He's like. He asks Matt, we see a clip. Clip. He. He says on watch happens live, Maddie said she couldn't defend your actions when it came to using the word unsafe. And we see a clip of Maddie saying, no, she could not defend Emmy for saying unsafe. He's like, so what's your reaction to that, Emmy? Would you like to. Would you like to cry? Would you like to shake? Or would you like to shake and cry at the same time? The floor is yours.

[B]

Like, I, you know, I. I'm gonna say the same thing I said to Nick. File. Yes. Yes, Joe probably did rape somebody. Yeah, I'm gonna go with that.

[A]

All right. That's not gonna help you.

[B]

Do not talk about. Well, okay.

[A]

Did you know that Emmy was watching that night, by the way? Maddie? Yes, and I knew Will was too. Don't. Well, well, well, well.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And then gracefully goes. I was watching, too.

[B]

That was so good. I love that show. I like when they get on the cowboys, they get on the horses, and they start shooting each other episode. It's black and white. What? You know, they don't do enough shows. That's gun smoke. Okay.

[A]

All right. Emmy, why do you think multiple people have had to explain to you why the word unsafe was the wrong choice?

[B]

I mean, it was like. It was, like, such a hard season to watch. Like, it was really hard. Like, I would sit there on my couch, I would turn it off. I felt unsafe watching the show. Is that bad to say? I mean, my TV is whack. Getting in trouble for this too. So sue me. All right. God.

[A]

Oh, my God. I don't want to cry. Because I'm not gonna cry. Because it's not a front. I'm not. I'm not gonna grab a run. And I just want to tell everyone I will absolutely not be crying. Oh, my God. Here it comes.

[B]

Here comes the white lady. Tears. We're shocked, Emmy. I mean, you've had months to prepare this, and you're still. Your first response is still a Karen response. I cannot. This woman learns.

[A]

Well, my God, Sharon is Karen, you know? So there we go.

[B]

That's it.

[A]

Yeah. So that was fun.

[B]

Yeah. Good times, everybody. Thanks so much for being here with us. We'll be back next week. Come to our cabaret live streaming. Get your tickets at. Watch what crappens.com or our linked bio on Instagram. Also, Monday, we will be back with both Amazon live at 1:30pm Pacific Time.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But then we'll be Doing crappy hour at a different time. We'll tell you. We'll announce it this week. All right, everybody. Bye. Thanks for being here.

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