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Ben Mandelker
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Ben Mandelker
happens. Watch what happens. Watch what happens. Who cares what happens when there's so much that happens what happens? Who cares what happens when there's so
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Ronnie Caram
much that Crappens
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Ben Mandelker
hello and welcome to Watch what Crappens, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we love to watch so much. I'm Ben Mandelker and joining me today on this very, very, very very special Summer House episode, it's Ronnie Caram. Hi Ronnie. Well hello.
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Ronnie Caram
How are you?
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Ben Mandelker
I'm fabulous. We just had a great morning because we just recorded Gandhi's podcast over over with the Elvis Ran show. So keep an eye on ear out for that. When that hits the airwaves we'll let you know. We talked about Bravo and all that stuff. So thanks Gandhi for having having us on the show.
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Ronnie Caram
That was a good time.
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Ben Mandelker
It was a super fun time and today it's here the final third and final part of the reunion Summer House reunion. But not the end of the season. Apparently not the end of the summer house season. The summer house continues on.
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Ronnie Caram
It's never over. They're going to capitalize on this as much as they can ever every last drop.
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Ben Mandelker
Well, guess what, we're also going to Capitalize off of it by recording an episode today. Please join us over on Patreon for ad free listening. Also, check out Read what crap Ins that Ronnie writes. Basically a blog recap of the week that was on Crap Ins. Also video. This can be my last day here in the Acast studio. I'm so sad. Back back to my. My childhood bedroom tomorrow.
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Ronnie Caram
And then picks too many snacks. He's been let go from the Acast family.
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Ben Mandelker
I have been. I have been taking their snacks.
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Ronnie Caram
I'm kidding. I have to. I literally go home with a bag of every day.
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Ben Mandelker
Well, we learned of a new snack yesterday courtesy of the their green room over here, which I had never had, which is like a Nutella bar thing. It's kind of like this crispy wafery thing with like mounds of Nutella on the inside. It was very good. It's no Kinder Bueno.
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Ronnie Caram
It was very similar to that, actually. It was even shaped the same and like separated the same.
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Ben Mandelker
I got Ronnie a kinder bueno. Did you like it?
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Ronnie Caram
Very good.
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Ben Mandelker
Lovely. Yeah.
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Ronnie Caram
Yeah.
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Ben Mandelker
I hope I didn't overhype it did.
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Ronnie Caram
I know it was great. No, it was fantastic.
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Ben Mandelker
Please like it. Please.
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Ronnie Caram
I was eating that. The other thing. Some peanut butter crackers. I had every snack in here. Yeah, things.
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Ben Mandelker
It's. It's a life. It's a lifetime of chickpeas.
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Ronnie Caram
There were chickpeas. We just took them on the way out. There was chickpeas and pita bread. Tomorrow we'll take that too.
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Ben Mandelker
I relocate back up to my parents tomorrow where when I ask for a snack, it'll be my dad saying, well, we have some asparagus in the fridge. Your mother made some chicken.
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Ronnie Caram
Sorry about your heart issues, but why do I have to suffer, okay, until I've got a stint, you better get me some pizza in this house or some kinder or something.
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Ben Mandelker
My parents are. I've just never been snack people. So it's like a snack desert up there.
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Ronnie Caram
That's disgusting. Guys. That's child abuse.
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Ben Mandelker
So it's like, well, we have some leftover elder child abuse. It's always like, well, we have a bowl of this anyway, summer house. Let's just get right into summer houses.
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Ronnie Caram
So here we are. Season 10 Episode 19 Reunion Part 3 I'm ready for this to end. Enough. End it. It's enough. Okay, I've had it. Especially if you're not going to ask all the questions. Where's Miha? Bring bring out Miha. I mean, you've got this girl who steals tails off of horses to make ties off of them.
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Ben Mandelker
She steals.
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Ronnie Caram
She's clearly a crazy person. And you've got her, like, calling in on the break. No, I need Miha here in horse hair. I want her in a dress made out of horse hair. And then I want to call PETA on her ass while she's sitting up there crying about west being mean to her. What are you doing? Why are you spending three hours of our life and not bringing Mimi?
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Ben Mandelker
Well, great news, Ronnie. She's on next week in their special. Like, doesn't count.
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Ronnie Caram
You don't get to have a bonus episode. We've been screwed over by bonus episodes a lot. I feel like.
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Ben Mandelker
Well, I think we all also know that the episodes that air after Reunion are almost never good. They just aren't.
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Ronnie Caram
Yeah, the bonuses.
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Ben Mandelker
Right. Yeah, they're always. This is cobbled together like crap.
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Ronnie Caram
Things you haven't seen from the season. Yeah, but this one, I guess they're interviewing them, right?
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Ben Mandelker
They're interviewing each other like, it's Interview magazine. I don't know. I have low, low expectations for it. I think it's just going to be. They're squeezing out one last, like.
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Ronnie Caram
I think that's why. Too much Amanda, Your expectations have just. Zero expectations.
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Ben Mandelker
Yeah. I actually like this episode quite a bit. I loved Lindsay's line of questioning towards the end. I loved that she was great.
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Ronnie Caram
I love that as well.
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Ben Mandelker
I, I really, I, I, I was, I actually was dumbfounded by this episode. I was dumbfounded by how bad Wes and Amanda were at this. And that's crazy, considering we've already had two episodes of them being bad at it. You're actually going to say, what, but West.
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Ronnie Caram
What surprised you there?
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Ben Mandelker
I thought west was, he was like, a politician or something. I just, I just couldn't believe one bad answer after another. Just terrible. And I really love the moment when Andy's like, what's wrong with you? You see, everyone out here is, like, crying. You're not even feeling anything. And, you know, the beta blockers thing, that'll happen later. But Sierra, registered nurse, she went on to Threads and was like, yeah, beta blockers don't stop you from crying. They just. They reduce your adrenaline, but they don't stop you from crying.
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Ronnie Caram
Well, they don't stop your feelings or. Yeah, they don't block your feelings, apparently. I mean, what's the point? Pizza does. Yeah, you all are on the wrong drugs. I've been telling you for years. Oh, just kidding. But, yeah, yeah, there was a lot of discussion on beta blocker and Stuff like that. I think beta blockers are getting too much credit in this episode. I think these two people did a horrible thing and they don't care. They don't care. They wouldn't care if they were drugged. Their answers are what? Like Amanda's like, what? So I should. I should. I'm in trouble because I had a feeling. Sorry. I had a feeling. You know, what if. What if you went to a courtroom and somebody ran somebody over and they're like, what? I mean, I didn't like them. I had a feeling I ran them over.
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Ben Mandelker
Yeah, that's not how it works.
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Ronnie Caram
You know, you're in trouble for the action, not how you were feeling during it, for Christ's sake.
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Ben Mandelker
It's like, there's no introspection. That's the thing that's difficult. And then when. When challenged to have the introspection, what we get are these stupid answers. Like, after this, I'm gonna have a lot of thinking to do.
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Ronnie Caram
Yeah, I'll think about it.
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Ben Mandelker
I don't know if you've ever really used that muscle. But, like, I. I don't like the. I'm gonna think about this. I'm gonna really. I'm gonna ask myself some tough questions. You should have been asking yourself the tough questions. That's what's so like.
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Ronnie Caram
Well, it's also just the tick tockalization of people because they've learned all this therapy speak from their tick tock. And so she's like, you know what? I hear you, and you've given me something to think about. Like, is this HR I don't you talking about? You did wrong. Open your bag and give me back all the peanut butter crackers you stole out of the break room, because I know you did it. I don't want you to think about it later. I want you to give me back my peanut butter crackers.
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Ben Mandelker
It's such a canned response. And it also, like, gives away nothing. It's like, why did you do this? Like, do you understand how this, like, could be very hurtful to Sierra? For instance, Like, a question like that, instead of saying, like, I don't think I really realize that. I think I started going down this journey and I think I was just being so incredibly selfish, and I. I'm realizing the magnitude. And the worst part is knowing how I should have known all along the magnitude. And like, I. I feel like an idiot. Whatever. Like. Like there should have been, like, a falling on the sword, but instead it was like, well, I have a lot to think about now. Like, What? It's such a generic. Like, I don't want to answer to this right now, but I'm gonna think about it in the future and maybe I'll answer about it.
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Ronnie Caram
By the way, just wanted you to know. I hear you. I hear you.
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Ben Mandelker
It's like, hey, when you murdered that person, do you have any contrition?
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Ronnie Caram
Wow.
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Ben Mandelker
We'll have a lot to think about. It's like, what? Yeah, no, that's not enough.
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Ronnie Caram
It's not enough, ma'. Am. But they don't even care. They, you know, their answers were both like, well, we felt something and we it. And it's very typical, you know, it's a very typical answer from people who do like this.
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Ben Mandelker
And I would have liked it actually when they were asked many times, was it worth it? Was it worth it? I would have liked them to have actually just said yes. I think they should have said yes because if they say no, then you look like a jackass. And like, they clearly want to keep on trying this out whether we agree with it or not. So stand in it.
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Ronnie Caram
Say that's what, you know, that's my opinion the whole time is if you're going to do something like this, I would rather them come out on the reunion and be like, listen, I'm sorry we're hurt your all's feelings, but Sierra, you know, we weren't together and I thought I made very clear during the season we weren't together even though he didn't. I mean, there would be an argument. I'm just saying if they were going to do this right, it would be like, listen, I thought we were just going to be friends again. Yes, it's tacky to be dating someone that you were friends with, but we all live in a house together. We naturally had feelings for each other. Kyle, you're an asshole to your wife. You don't have a leg to stand on. And that's it. We fell in love. And I'm not apologizing to you. I'm not apologizing to you. I. I'm in love with this and Amanda to just be like, Kyle sucked as a husband. Sierra, I'm really sorry this hurt your feelings. You know, please forgive me, but I love this man. Something like that, you know, like they say on Love island, like stand on business. Now, I'm not saying any of those arguments would have been correct. I still would have been sitting here bitching at these people for being monsters. But like to do this whole wussy thing of like, I hear you. I'm Gonna think about it. And I'm just a good person who got lost on the way. No, just be like, I'm a shitty person. Wanted to fudge that guy. I fucked him. Fuck off, y'. All. Go do something else.
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Ben Mandelker
I think I would say. I think the right way to say it is, you know what? When we first started feeling things, I think, you know, I did the cowardly thing. I just followed it. And I didn't have the tough conversation of calling you Sierra and being like, I'm feeling something weird. Feeling something for Wes. I want to talk through to you. I want. Whatever. I did not put you first. I was completely selfish, and I admit that, and I really regret it. I'm, like, embarrassed by it, and I'm ashamed. It was, like, probably the worst thing I ever did. But. But that being said, I'm in this. I'm in this relationship now. When you ask me, is it. Was it worth it, I have to say yes, because it's always gonna be worth it for me to follow my gut and my heart on something like this. And I'm following my heart. It. I know it may come at the cost of friendships, and I know it may not work out, but, you know, it's better to have loved and lost than to have never.
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Ronnie Caram
I mean, honestly, you know, and. And again, we would still be arguing with that argument. You know, Sarah has a right to run you over with her car. You know, we'd start still be saying all that stuff, but at least give us something. I mean, they're just such dish rags, the both of these. And that's how I know that relationship has a chance. Because from waiting table, and I've said this a long time, from waiting tables for so long, you really see the relationships that work. And it is boring people with nothing to say. It is the people who sit there on their phones and don't pay attention to each other, or when you do hear them, they're like, did you figure out the wordle? You know, oh, my God. Basic ass bitches. That too should be.
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Ben Mandelker
And that's these two, I think, because they don't have any. Any voids to fill. They are. They. They have filled their voids with each other, and they are secure and happy in their relationship where they know they can sit at the same table and they could. They could focus on their wordle because they know, like, that love is so pure and true and so secure.
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Ronnie Caram
Well, that's. That's a different way than I'm looking at. And I'm like, those are Just boring people. And 2 bo. It's like 2 hot people will naturally, you know, end up while. And two very boring people with not a lot on their minds are gonna be fine with each other because they're not thinking of a lot of things, you know?
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Ben Mandelker
Well, because you know what? They don't have to think about if the other person's cheating. They don't have to think about, like, does this person love me?
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Ronnie Caram
Because they're too boring to cheat.
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Ben Mandelker
They're. Well, they're. And it's like the. It's a beautiful boring. It's a beautiful boring.
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Ronnie Caram
Because although we're talking about two people who did just kind of.
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Ben Mandelker
We are talking about two people who are boring and cheated. Yeah, but I think you're.
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Ronnie Caram
I love that you're trying to shoehorn real romance into what I'm saying. I'm, like, boring as people. And you're like, these are perfect couples. I really understand.
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Ben Mandelker
No, I. But the thing is, you guys spend
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Ronnie Caram
a lot of time on the phone because you're making.
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Ben Mandelker
You're making a funny joke about how people at the restaurant who just sit there and they're both, like, on their phone, whatever, and that's, like, those relationships. And I'm saying it's a joke, but I actually think there's truth to it. I think that there's, like, truth to, like, people who are, like, their relationship is. Is. Is placid, and so there doesn't have to be a. And I think. I think there really is true to that. I think there's actually something really lovely when you see like. Like an older couple just sitting both reading the newspaper together at a table, which, by the way, but we're talking
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Ronnie Caram
about west and Amanda now. You're like, wow, these great relationships. No, I'm talking about Wes and Amanda just being boring, and that's why they'll wear.
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Ben Mandelker
Yeah, they're. They're just stupid. And you know what? I also. Another thing I did not like in this reunion was that, you know, Amanda has been, like, very robotic. Everyone's like, is she drugged up? Or whatever? But she is, like, she is bearing the brunt of all this. And then she has a moment with Kyle where they're hugging and, like, time after time again, like, the moment that, like, Wes is, like, not, like. Like, in the spotlight. He doesn't give a. He doesn't give a. What she's going through. He's, like, on his phone. He's laughing. He's smiling, and she's. She's like, I wouldn't say that she's going through it, but, like, he is not very present with her. I don't think I. I just think
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Ronnie Caram
that he's a shitty boyfriend with everybody at all times. He barely paying attention to himself. I think he actually.
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Ben Mandelker
This.
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Ronnie Caram
I think he loves going on his podcast and talking about it every second of the day. I think he loves all the attention that he's getting from it. He seems to be really enjoying it. Where he's really going right in. This is. He's just. He's been in trouble so many times as a boy. He knows all the answers, which are just, sorry, Whoops, didn't mean it. I'll think about that. I got you. I hear you. Whoops. Maybe could have done that better and then just lets it all roll over. Whereas Amanda is like, what? So I can't be in love? What, so good things can't happen to me too? Like, she's arguing in a way that's trying to victimize herself. And then she's pulling the blonde lady tears. Sorry, but she's pulling the victim tears and running to the bathroom. And Lindsay said she was in there for over an hour. That's crazy. Like, you've already done all of this. Now you're going to make me wait?
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Ben Mandelker
Yeah.
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Ronnie Caram
Are you serious? So she's. She's doing all this stuff to victimize herself. So while she is taking the brunt of it, she's also taking the brunt of it because she's just not as. I mean, I hate to say as smart as west, but west is really. He's had to apologize so many times in his life. He's just very well practiced. He's. It's all. He doesn't care. And you can't really get him because all he's gonna say, yeah, my bad.
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Ben Mandelker
He's just saying my bad. And, yeah, I see you.
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Ronnie Caram
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Ben Mandelker
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Ronnie Caram
It's called age band. Okay. It's age.
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Ben Mandelker
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Ronnie Caram
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Ben Mandelker
well, let's get into it. Let's get into the actual recap. So when we come back, Jesse has An announcement. He says, I'm thinking about chopping my hair off for this summer. And Mia's like, yeah, let's talk before we do that.
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Ronnie Caram
Really? Because I'm. I'm thinking of chopping my ears off before this summer. Stupid songs. And. Yes, me.
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Ben Mandelker
Don't be mean to his music. He puts his heart and soul into that mid tempo song that gets played in nail salons in Long Island.
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Ronnie Caram
Yeah. Okay, so they're ready for everybody, but Sierra's still on the FaceTime with Miha. She's like, stay by your phone. Going to be texting you and I'll call you, you know, and if I need anything, she's like, okay, bye.
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Ben Mandelker
They sound like they're anarchists. They sound like they're like in the beginning of, like, one battle after another, like, okay, we're gonna break into this bank. Stay by your phone.
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Ronnie Caram
Yeah. Meanwhile, you hear a horse, like, ow. Shut up, horse. Cutting all the hair off the horse. So people come back out to the couches and Bailey is like, about you hanging in there. She's like, no. She's like, come sit with me. Gosh, I really genuinely worry about you so much. You're like a salmon salad sitting on a table during a breakup at Sweet Greens.
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Ben Mandelker
Just sitting there quietly going rancid in the room temperature.
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Ronnie Caram
I know you're about to be thrown around and made fun of and crashed to the ground. You okay? And she's like, oh, no, I appreciate that. And I only appreciate that, like, you're saying it and also that you text. That did mean that. So Amanda's getting out there, I think on camera. Like, see? Yeah. And people support me.
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Ben Mandelker
But Bailey's also like, blink twice if you need me to get you out of this relationship. I think Bailey sees Amanda as like, a victim to west manipulations and.
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Ronnie Caram
Oh, yeah.
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Ben Mandelker
And vulnerable and is kind of like, help me help you right now. You know, She's. I do not trust him at all.
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Ronnie Caram
She goes first because Amanda, she's. That's a response. I'm sorry to read every single line, but Amanda's such an dope. She's like, well, maybe I'm naive, but, like, I feel like we've had a lot of conversations, him and I, that, like, made me feel secure. And you're like, you guys just don't get it.
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Ben Mandelker
Yeah. No. And then she's after. Bailey says that she doesn't trust him. Amanda's like, and that's okay. And maybe this will be a huge mistake and I'll wake up one day and Realize it, but. Yeah. It's, like, hard to sit on the stage and try to explain myself when no one's gonna listen. Well, you don't. Don't blame everyone else. Speak up. Say your piece. Stand in this stupid relationship that you're in. Like, do I understand why you've taken no lessons from your relationship with Kyle Cook? I don't. But as long as you've decided you want to repeat your pattern, then, like. Like, stand in it.
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Ronnie Caram
Well, so it's not that people aren't listening to you, Amanda. It's that they listen to you and your answers suck.
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Ben Mandelker
Yeah.
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Ronnie Caram
They asked you why you did it, and you're like, cause, I mean, I deserve something too.
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Ben Mandelker
Like, what?
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Ronnie Caram
I'm just not supposed to act on my feelings. Your answer suc. They heard it. They just don't agree with it.
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Ben Mandelker
It's just. Yeah. And then she's also saying nothing half the time. So now there's a moment with Carl and Lindsay. Carl's like, you're unbelievable. And Lindsay's like, really?
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Ronnie Caram
Yeah. Oh, nice girl.
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Ben Mandelker
Yeah, it's fun to watch. Whoa. I got a hug. Come on. Old times sake. Igloo. Come on, bro.
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Ronnie Caram
So then, you know, everyone's just checking in with each other as they come back to the stage, and they're talking about how Lindsay's like, oh, my God, Jesse, your legs are longer. But, like, Carl's torso is longer. So, you know, just tall people. It's all people.
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Ben Mandelker
Issues, observations. You know, one thing you can never discredit Summer House for is their. Their lack of observations.
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Ronnie Caram
Yeah.
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Ben Mandelker
By the way, we were hanging out with an old queen of the bar last night who was at the finale party at Summer House, and she said, yes. I didn't hear this happened after you left. She said she saw Carl and Lindsay go into the igloo, and they were there for over an hour. It was a very long. Maybe not over an hour, but a very, very long time. The conversation looked like it was, like, five minutes on screen, but it was a very long conversation.
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Ronnie Caram
Ah, there was a lot of. It was a full hour of Carl going, oh, yeah, I hear you. I see you, and thanks so much for the lessons.
- [23:40]
Ben Mandelker
All right, so there you go, everyone. A timing update on the igloo conversation.
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Ronnie Caram
So Andy gets his cards and stuff, and he's like, oh, my God, is this the end of the show? Okay, okay, let's do this over soon, right? Okay. Hi, ladies. Anybody get new boobs?
- [23:57]
Ben Mandelker
Welcome back to the summer of season 10 reunion. We still have a lot to Discuss. Some would say too much. I'm exhausted. I just want to go back to my home. I want to leave it all on the table for today so that we can move forward. However feels right. Lol. You guys all moving forward. Well, okay, so maybe you'll work towards healing or choose to step away from certain friendships. Whatever. Okay, Just answer some question, guys. I can't deal with this anymore.
- [24:22]
Ronnie Caram
Yeah, so now the question is, like, how this began. So, Wes, you were a steady support for Amanda all summer. When did that start to feel like more than just friendship? And he's like, well, we started to, like, go. I started going out in, like, February, March with, like, a lot of my friends and, like, having fun. And then, like. Like, we have mutual friends and. Yeah, I think, like. Like, we're having fun. Like, I saw, like, a different side of Amanda that I didn't see prize and, like, I took it like kind of person personies, you know, Like, I guess because I was, like, ringing around my friends and then, I mean, I know it sounds like so, but like, it was like, so nice, like, see Amanda, like, happy, you know, and like, you know, when did you fuck Amanda the first time? Why? Why is this taking five hours? Were you fucking Amanda in the summer? Yes or no? Why are you pretending getting your storyline? Oh, yeah. We just started hanging out in February. We know that's a lie already. Okay.
- [25:27]
Ben Mandelker
It was a treat for me to see Amanda happy. I mean, have you never seen a woman happy before? That's good.
- [25:33]
Ronnie Caram
Not Amanda.
- [25:34]
Ben Mandelker
Well, that's true.
- [25:35]
Ronnie Caram
We've been watching this show 10 years. How many times have we even seen Amanda be happy?
- [25:40]
Ben Mandelker
I know. No, Amanda, what about you? Was there a specific moment when your feelings for Wes clicked? Because not necessarily. We just, like, there was, like, a night where, I don't know, he sort of, like, said something and I was like, am I crazy? Like, is there something here? And I feel like all the emotion just came, like, flooding in and, like, wasn't like, a slow burn or, like, it just, like, built up to it, and it just, like, kind of came flooding in all at once. And it, like, wasn't something that was, like, top of mind. I was like, thanks for all that specificity. Just say where you were. What happened? Was the raining? Was it sunny? What did he say to you? We need to, like, get, like, can we get, like, a scene set up here? Not just like, oh, like, he said this and that, and he's like, okay.
- [26:19]
Ronnie Caram
Or how about the truth? I was in a terrible marriage. I knew it sucked I'm in a relate. I'm in a house with this guy all summer long. He's supporting me against my husband. He's comforting me when my husband is giving me. And I started to fall for the guy. It was, like, the support that I wanted from a man that I was never getting from a man. And finally I got it. We all saw it. Why don't you just say the truth? She's like, no, it was like we played darts, and then, like, we went out.
- [26:48]
Ben Mandelker
Also, like, one thing that I. I feel like is sort of touched on in this reunion, but not really is that, like, you know, west is, in his mind, it's not an exclusive relationship with Mija, whatever. But still, like, you've. He's clearly starting to develop feelings for Amanda. Why do you keep inviting her out? Like, don't you ever say to yourself, ooh, this is like, something's going on? I really shouldn't cross this boundary, right? I mean, this is an ongoing question. Why did either of them cross the boundary? But, like, there were just so many off ramps to this highway that they just didn't take. They were like, we want to see where this highway ends. We want to find out what mountain
- [27:23]
Ronnie Caram
this highway they were already. And he was cheating on Amanda with Miha. Like, that's it. That's the only thing I'll believe. Or cheating on Amanda with Miha or cheating on me how? With Amanda, however you want to look at it. He's just banging whoever because whoever he can because he is a boy on Bravo, and he has the Bravo ass pass. Someone asked what? The Bravo ass passes. This is when mediocre men get onto Bravo, and no matter what bar they go into, because the viewership for Bravo is, like, 90% women, they get ass wherever they go. We've seen it in action with a lot of these guys. Women literally walk up while you're talking to them and just hand them their number, you know, and it happens over with, all with. With a good number of them that we've hung out with. So that's called the Bravo ass pass.
- [28:09]
Ben Mandelker
And he's relying on it.
- [28:10]
Ronnie Caram
West is relying on it, relying on it.
- [28:12]
Ben Mandelker
And he knows this reunion. He's like, let me just get through this harsh day. And then I've got the ass pass. Because we've seen so many people, you know, look like at the peak of scandal, I was like, boo, Tom Xanaval. But boo, Tom's animal. Although I did go see his cover band play. So people.
- [28:28]
Ronnie Caram
And then they're showing the Videos of this, and there's, like, hundreds of ladies, like, oh, my God.
- [28:33]
Ben Mandelker
Yeah. So, like, yeah, as past Trump's all. And he is.
- [28:37]
Ronnie Caram
He's just banking on it, because men or women, like, either way, we. There's. There's just a percentage of us that don't care if you're terrible. Like, you're on tv, and we'll still you, you know? Yeah. So, Wes. So Andy's like, okay, so were you having an affair this summer? And they're like, absolutely not in unison. And west is like, like. Because I'm just, like, lied to people. Like, I don't know, like, in this room, Like, I mean, I recognize, like, I. Polly. You know, Like, I'm like, give the stars. I like, invisars to people. Like, I know why you wouldn't believe us, but it's true. You know? Jesse's like, yeah, but not only did you lie, you, like, made us feel crazy. And then Jesse starts crying. Why is Jesse crying? I mean, come on.
- [29:25]
Ben Mandelker
Come on. He's an artist. Okay, stop. Sensitive artist.
- [29:30]
Ronnie Caram
Jesse crying. And Lindsay's like, it's called gaslighting. And Andy goes, it's not gaslighting. What are you guys talking about? Why does nobody understand this word? It's like, it is Andy. Isn't this where Andy said, it's not? Oh, no, that was on Southern hospitality where he's like, guys, that's not gaslighting. Like, yes, it is. Andy's like, okay, okay. Sorry I missed my show.
- [29:50]
Ben Mandelker
Messed my shows up to be coming in the future. So that Sierra, she's like, yeah, you guys tricked us. Like, you were playing games on Instagram. And Jesse's like, can't really hear. Like, yeah, you also said holy freak to her merch on a post that you posted. And there was a picture of Sierra on Instagram. And Wes commented because, like, Sierra looking amazing. She's like a bikini photo or something like that. And Wes commented, holy frick. Which. And Wes goes, yeah, I shouldn't have done that. It's like, yeah, you think. You think that's, like. That's, like, ongoing theme here. So Sierra's like, yeah, you guys are so calculated. Why would we trust what you have to say? Mia and watch happens live. I asked you if you thought something happened between Wes and Amanda this summer. So, like, what were you seeing or hearing? And she's like, well, it's just like, in the last few episodes, like, yeah, just like watching, for example, when Kyle and Carl got into that fight. Hold me back, bro. Hold me back.
- [30:44]
Ronnie Caram
Stupid. Why don't you get more handsome?
- [30:46]
Ben Mandelker
Shut up. So she's like, yeah, we're like, you were in the kitchen with us and you were calm and collected and cool as a cucumber. And the moment that like Wes came back and like came into the house, you walk towards him and then all of a sudden you start crying in west hand and Wes arms, she's like, I thought that was weird.
- [31:02]
Ronnie Caram
Yeah. And when she was like, oh my God, when you came and pulled your chair up next to me, I. And he's like kissing her forehead.
- [31:11]
Ben Mandelker
Yeah.
- [31:11]
Ronnie Caram
And she's like, yeah. And someone, Amanda, someone tries to interrupt. And Mia's like, I'm not done. And was like, oh, gotcha. My bad. I hear you. And she's like, another time. Amanda, you run outside to talk to Kyle and Wes, you come right behind her and you're grabbing her like, like right under her boob. Like that's not normal. Like you wouldn't touch me like that.
- [31:35]
Ben Mandelker
And Wes, like, okay, it's like, I just don't think you would ever grab me like that. She's like, okay, okay. And. And she's like, and you haven't grabbed Lindsay like that.
- [31:44]
Ronnie Caram
He is not in fact on that.
- [31:46]
Ben Mandelker
So west is like, I think if you guys thought something weird was going on last summer, it would have been flagged. Well, the thing is this, what we've learned from you is that like things don't happen logically. Like the logical thing would be, oh, wait a second, like we actually should not act on these feelings. But you guys are not acting logically, are you?
- [32:03]
Ronnie Caram
Well, it wasn't flagged because you're doing the old distract like you're robbing a bank. You know, like you're distracting with one thing. So we're looking at that and not looking at this thing. That's like obvious and right in front of our eyes. Like you were distracting us by making everybody think that you're still into Sierra and so worried about Sierra and you want to get back together with Sierra. And I have a crush on Sierra almost a year. Forgive me. You're distracting us with that so we're not even paying attention to you rubbing all up against Amanda and kissing her
- [32:28]
Ben Mandelker
all over the place place even. So the reason why it was not flagged is because the idea that you two would have any sort of romantic connection is so ludicrous and so far fetched because we, everyone knows that how hurtful it would be to Sierra and also to other people like Kyle, etc, that it was unfathomable. That he would be touching you in a romantic way. Because we. No one would think that you two would do something as obnoxious as this. And that's why this is a scandal.
- [32:59]
Ronnie Caram
Yeah. So Amanda. Mia's like, no, I don't think it would have been flagged because we looked at Amanda, like, this victim, and we thought you would never do that. You know, so. And Lindsay's like, that was a perfect. Guys.
- [33:16]
Ben Mandelker
What, did you have a crush on her?
- [33:21]
Ronnie Caram
Just makes me laugh every. I don't know why. Everything she says just makes me laugh. It was your Groucho Marx glasses.
- [33:30]
Ben Mandelker
Basically, the murderer was Wes.
- [33:34]
Ronnie Caram
Did you have a crush on her and West? Like, no, but, like. Like, definitely, like, you know, we got way closer. Like, after all these moments that were like, aunties, you know, like. Like, you know, like, she was bathroom crying. Like, nothing turns on a guy more than, like, a girl crying in the bathroom because her husband was mean. Dory.
- [33:53]
Ben Mandelker
Amanda, did you have a crush on him? No, I was dealing. I was, like, so caught up and lost in my own marriage and the fallout of it. It's just, like, so easy to watch this through a different lens and see what you guys want to see. But you guys all lived in the same house, and that's not what was happening at all this summer. Like, that's, like, what's so frustrating. I'm, like, not a cheater. I'm not gonna step out on Kyle. I'm not gonna do things that are inappropriate. I've been cheated on. I've been hurt. I was. I'm like, but Wes was with Mia. And also, like, you don't have to be a cheater for this to be a shitty thing to do.
- [34:23]
Ronnie Caram
And I don't believe you.
- [34:24]
Ben Mandelker
And we don't believe you.
- [34:25]
Ronnie Caram
And also, saying I would never cheat because I'm been cheated on is crazy. Like, hurt people. Hurt people. That's a. That's the thing. That's a thing for a reason.
- [34:33]
Ben Mandelker
Yeah. Okay, watch Love Island. Okay,
- [34:38]
Ronnie Caram
so Lindsay's like, we're not talking about looking up. Like, we're not saying we think you guys. I mean, I am. I'm saying that. And Sierra's like, yeah, but you guys had an emotional affair. And Eddie goes, all right, moving on to what?
- [34:51]
Ben Mandelker
There's nothing left.
- [34:52]
Ronnie Caram
Well, this is, like, literally what we're talking about. Were you moving on to. So Lindsay's like, yeah, there was emotional connection. And he's like, okay, okay, moving on. Wes. Like, well, probably, like, we became, like, closer throughout the summer. Like, well, to Me.
- [35:07]
Ben Mandelker
It's like, okay, wow. Some headway. He's actually giving some concrete responses. And. Oh, yeah. Oh, my.
- [35:13]
Ronnie Caram
We're getting somewhere.
- [35:14]
Ben Mandelker
Jesus. I was like. And then so Wes is like, Lindsay. That is fair to say.
- [35:19]
Ronnie Caram
I said, yeah. And Amanda's like. But not in a romantic way, though. It is romantic, but it's like yelling. You yelling at West. It seemed like you yelled at him on behalf of yourself and not Sierra. And what she's talking about is when he's about the girl sitting on his lap and making out. And Amanda's like, back in. In a flashback, she's saying, why at the small, intimate party are you deciding to have this girl sitting in your lap the whole time and, like, making out with her? Because he's distracting.
- [35:50]
Ben Mandelker
Yeah. And so Lindsay. Lindsay's like, you are jealous. And she's like. Amanda's like, no one felt that way in the moment. It's like, yeah, because again, they weren't even thinking about this in the moment because the idea of it was. Is too crazy and there was distractions.
- [36:04]
Ronnie Caram
Well, also, I think what was happening in that moment, now that we have, you know, hindsight, is that he was pissing Sierra off on purpose to distract from the relationship with Amanda and also trying to get Sierra to just be like, I'm done with you. I don't want. Want anything to do with you anymore. You. So he would be freed up in everybody's mind when he went with the matter. It wouldn't be that big of a deal later.
- [36:26]
Ben Mandelker
I. I don't know. I. I think Wes is crafty. I don't know if he's even. I don't know if he's operating on that sort of.
- [36:30]
Ronnie Caram
I think so because, you know, and I've said this before, but ever since Lexi was on this show and outed what Jesse was saying behind closed doors about being jealous of west and how the, you know, west gets more screen time and west gets more audience love and, like, you really see the competition and how much the first season went to both of those guys head. I think every. And west has had this thing with Sierra, you know, the audience going after west about Sierra since the first season. So I think everything he's done towards Sierra is very calculated. I think very much.
- [37:06]
Ben Mandelker
I think he did it.
- [37:06]
Ronnie Caram
I'm back on Sierra's side. I'm going to get Sierra to say, okay, we're friends again. Sierra's going to forgive me, therefore. The audience will forgive me, therefore, blah, blah, blah. So I think he's got it all Set up. And when it started looking like Sierra was maybe crushing on him again, he's like, I'm going to piss her off and get her to finally just say, no, I want nothing to do with you. And that's how I'm going to do it. I'm going to have this girl come over, sit on my lap, make out with her right next to Sierra. I mean, I think it was all very calculated. And at the time I was like, what kind of an idiot is this? He totally did that on purpose just to give himself an out. But it didn't work because Sierra still like, okay, I forgive you. You want to be, you want to still date.
- [37:44]
Ben Mandelker
I, I think he may have done that to be spiteful towards Sierra. I just don't think he did it as a. To create a distraction for Amanda. To me, I think that's like a bridge too far. But I do 100% believe that he was being spiteful because Sierra was right next to him and he knew, well,
- [38:00]
Ronnie Caram
even if it wasn't a bridge to Amanda, it was, it was for way to get Sierra. It was a way to get a solid break from Ciara where he could say, I'm not even dating Sierra. She's acting crazy by. She's acting crazy about me having a make out at a party, what's the big deal? And then off her to free him up in the, you know, from the audience hate.
- [38:23]
Ben Mandelker
I think what it really was ultimately though was his mask came down. He got drunk, his mask came down, which was when he was revealed, his, his true self was saying, why do I have to be in the doghouse all the time? I just want to make out with a girl, but I have to be in the dog house because of Sierra and I'm not gonna like, I'm not gonna coddle her anymore. And then like, as he sobered up and he realized that that was unpopular, the mask came back on. I was like, oh no. It was actually like really bad. And like I'm feel really bad. I do believe he has.
- [38:51]
Ronnie Caram
I would agree with you except that he purposely invited this girl. This wasn't a rando at the party. And he even said before the party started, oh, there's a girl coming and she's really hot. So I think there was like premeditation
- [39:06]
Ben Mandelker
before he was waiting wasted. But I think that like maybe his plan was would have been to be more discreet. I don't know what I actually think there's a world where it's like all the above with all these things I think that his mask dropped. I think that he also was being spiteful towards Sierra. I have a harder time truly believing it was a. It was a plan to distract people from him, him and Amanda. But these days, you can't rule anything out.
- [39:28]
Ronnie Caram
Well, I'm just saying it was a plan for him to get a clean cut in the audience's mind from Sierra and position her as a crazy, jealous person.
- [39:34]
Ben Mandelker
Yeah. I almost think in that moment he should have been like, I'm sick of coddling Sierra. I've done what I can do and I'm just gonna now start hooking up with girls and I again standing in it. It's just like the ongoing thing is that he does underhanded things and he does fake things and he doesn't stand in, like, the fact, like, I'm an adult, I enjoy Sierra. I hope we can, like, mend. But at this point, like, I have to. I have to. I can't tiptoe around her anymore. And she's gonna have to. Whatever baggage she's bringing to this moment, she's gonna have to deal with that because I can't. I can't be this to her.
- [40:04]
Ronnie Caram
Of, yeah, but it's like, keep leading her on things makes it even worse. It's like, oh, yeah, I just wanted. Telling the. Telling the audience, I just want to be friends. I hope she's not getting the wrong impression, but then telling her why everybody thinks we're crushing on each other, etc.
- [40:20]
Ben Mandelker
Yeah.
- [40:20]
Ronnie Caram
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Ben Mandelker
Restrictions apply. See the website for full terms and conditions. So Kyle's like, I've got one timeline question that I'm a little concerned about. Just because you lied once. And I'm like, I'll give you one last chance and then I'm going to take your word forward. Okay? So Brianna. You all know Brianna, right?
- [42:35]
Ronnie Caram
Damn Fry. I gotta say, chicken fries. I just love that name.
- [42:40]
Ben Mandelker
Brianna Chicken Fry, who's known, I guess on the Internet, told Dave Portnoy, who as we all know, is one of the most charming people on all of Twitter.
- [42:51]
Ronnie Caram
Gentlemen, the quintessential gentleman.
- [42:54]
Ben Mandelker
Between him and Michael Rappaport, it's like, wow, so many Prince Charmings.
- [42:58]
Ronnie Caram
So, Dave, does anybody have a plate to eat?
- [43:03]
Ben Mandelker
Anyway, Brianna told gentlemen of all gentlemen, Dave Portnoy at the super bowl that you guys were a thing. And now there's only two weeks between when we split and the Super Bowl. So somehow, some way, one of your close friends thought you guys are an item and within that two week period, you have an answer for that. And man's like, we weren't hanging out. I've been DM from someone who knows someone in that circle saying, don't let them fool you. This goes back to 25. I can. I can't reveal my identity. And that person's name was Cindy Adams. Sorry, Cindy. I had to say it.
- [43:37]
Ronnie Caram
Cindy Adams.
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Ben Mandelker
She's like, I still got it.
- [43:42]
Ronnie Caram
Her name was Briana Chicken Boil.
- [43:46]
Ben Mandelker
All right. Her name is Liz Smith. There, I said it.
- [43:50]
Ronnie Caram
Amanda's like, that's insane. Oh, really? Well, I have Sally Jesse Raphael on the phone right now.
- [43:57]
Ben Mandelker
I got Jane Pratt from the old talk show. Jane Iyanla.
- [44:02]
Ronnie Caram
Fix my life. Tell Amanda what's going on.
- [44:05]
Ben Mandelker
All right, everyone, Jenny Jones is here, and she has Jenny Jones.
- [44:08]
Ronnie Caram
Kenny Jones is like, am I forgiven yet?
- [44:12]
Ben Mandelker
My bad. Richard Bazier.
- [44:15]
Ronnie Caram
So he's like, I'm just putting it out there. I mean, was there a physical activity? I don't care if it's an emotional affair, because at this point, that's subjective, you know? But did you ever hook up in 2025? And he's like, no. Fuck no. On my fucking live. On my dog's life.
- [44:31]
Ben Mandelker
An emotional fear is, like, much worse than fucking guys. I know, but we're never gonna be able to prove that. So me, I was like, wait a second. Can I ask a question? Did you guys honestly just come forward because you got, like, there was, like, so much speculation, or are you guys going to continue to lie to us and please be truthful? Amanda's like, to be honest.
- [44:49]
Ronnie Caram
Liar.
- [44:49]
Ben Mandelker
To be honest. What a liar. What an aspiration.
- [44:52]
Ronnie Caram
Yeah.
- [44:54]
Ben Mandelker
She's like, no, we came forward because the speculation. Because there was, like, a lot of things I was, like, still trying to understand and figure out, including the MIHA situation. What about this rumor about there. It was like a. Someone was viewing them.
- [45:09]
Ronnie Caram
Well, apparently that was cut out. So there was stuff that came out in that leak, which is. Well, we had to come out because I thought that there was this video circulating that somebody took of us in a compromising position because there was the rumor that someone got a PI and was taping them having sex in one of their apartments.
- [45:29]
Ben Mandelker
Bodidle strikes again.
- [45:30]
Ronnie Caram
Crazy. And either it was a Bravo fan, and then some people were like, Paige to Sorbell hired a private audience. Oh, my God.
- [45:38]
Ben Mandelker
I mean, I doubt.
- [45:39]
Ronnie Caram
But who knows? But those were all the rumors. And then apparently in the leaked audio from the reunion, Amanda was saying we had to come out because we thought this video was going to be coming out, and we didn't want people to see that before we had a chance to say anything.
- [45:53]
Ben Mandelker
So Amanda gives up, like, a copy and paste. Like, again, I know that I up, and I know that I didn't handle it right. And in that moment, that's all that I could understand how to do. And again, I'm sorry for lying to you, Sierra.
- [46:05]
Ronnie Caram
Blah, blah. Well, were there other people West? I'm assuming there were other girls that you were hanging out with during that time? And he's like, yup, yup.
- [46:15]
Ben Mandelker
Did Mia know that you were dating other women during that time, or did she think you were exclusive? And how do you guys feel about you both being fired for the show and being. And Mia being put into the summer house? What do you say about that?
- [46:26]
Ronnie Caram
And Sarah's like, no, he was not honest. And Wes says, well, yeah, like, I mean, no, but, like, yeah, because, like, obviously, like, I wasn't the clearest, but, like, I told her it was an exclusive. Like, I don't know, like, November, December. You fucking liar. Why were you calling her your girlfriend and taking her to meet your family and then wearing her horse tail tie on. Watch what happens. Like, you fudgeing liar, West. Oh, my God.
- [46:53]
Ben Mandelker
The number of people he takes to his family and then betrays is a.
- [46:57]
Ronnie Caram
Do his family think he's just fostering women? Like, what do they think at this point where he just brings. It's like, his mom's like, what do I have to feed another one? So she's hungry, Mom. She's, you know, just like, she's in a really rough place. Can we just feed her? You are not keeping her if you're not going to take care of her. You are not keeping her the whole family.
- [47:15]
Ben Mandelker
That's just a way for him to cosplay as a grown adult who understands commitment. It's a way to make himself look endearing and sweet and also, like, it's like, oh, I'm just mama's boy. It's all a facade. Don't trust it.
- [47:27]
Ronnie Caram
God, the mom must be like, wow, my son is using me as a prop to get ass. But now here's the word, and then screw people over. I mean, what the hell?
- [47:36]
Ben Mandelker
Well, now, here's the worst part. I almost, like, I was, like, dumbfounded by this little exchange here. So he says I wasn't the. Obviously, I wasn't the clearest, but I told her it wasn't exclusive, you know, back in November, December. And Sierra's like, you're lying because you sent her flowers on Valentine's Day. So just like, when does the lying stop? And his defense is. Well, I've not. I've been, like, not clear with, like, a zillion women that I've dated prior to this. So it's like, I'm all right. I'm like, My pattern is that I'm not clear, so I don't see what the problem is.
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Ronnie Caram
Well, that's, you know, look. And that's why I think west is getting away with so much, because west is literally looking at everybody and saying, what the Fuck are you people confused about?
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Ben Mandelker
About?
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Ronnie Caram
I've been doing this for three years on national tv, and you guys are acting like this is so shocking to you. What are you surprised about? I've been a piece of shit since I got here. Why is everybody acting so surprised? And I think that's why he's getting away with a lot of this stuff, at least not taking as much as Amanda, because people aren't surprised that it's Wes. The only people who are surprised that Wes did this is the people in the cast.
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Ben Mandelker
Yeah.
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Ronnie Caram
I don't think the audience is surprised at West. Only the cast seems to be shocked that west would be capable of this.
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Ben Mandelker
Yeah, I just think this was such a wild thing to be like. Well, no, I was unclear with her because, I mean, I'm always unclear. I mean, it's like, why are you. Like, how. How are you so proud of having this terrible pattern? So then Sierra's like, that's your MO.
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Ronnie Caram
Yes. He's been doing it to you for literally three. Why are you so surprised that this is. I mean, it's surprising that he would admit it this freely, but he's always kind of admitted it, too. I'm just. I'm baffled that they're also.
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Ben Mandelker
But he's so interesting because he. He's like. He.
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Ronnie Caram
He.
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Ben Mandelker
He wants to say, this is who I am. I'm like a schlub, but also, like, I'm not a schlub. Like, he. He wants to have it both ways, which is what's frustrating with him, actually.
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Ronnie Caram
He's not trying to say he's not a schlub.
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Ben Mandelker
I think he.
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Ronnie Caram
He's like, I'm a piece of. What do you want?
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Ben Mandelker
Well, I think he's. He's like. I think he may be saying that because he knows that's what we. We need and want to hear, but I think he. His whole, like is like, you know, sad dog that just got caught eating, you know, the food that's not supposed to be eating. He's like, you know, he's not. He doesn't. He's not strident about anything. And he doesn't say, you know what? This is how I've always rolled. You guys have put something on to me that I'm not. Like. I said I was not exclusive. She thought we were exclusive. It sucks for her. But I never said we're exclusive. And I'm not exclusive with Amanda, like, the way they do on Love island, quite frankly. And the fact is, he's not doing that. He's like, well, no, I guess, like, I wasn't obviously, like, very clear. He keeps on doing this way of, like. Yeah, well, I guess it was kind of like a mistake.
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Ronnie Caram
He's just.
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Ben Mandelker
He. I do believe he still wants to be really liked and seen as, like, a sweet guy who messed up and too late. He failed. He's failed.
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Ronnie Caram
So they're like, oh, Goss, this is just your style. And Kyle's like, you understand it's a little concerning because I still care for Amanda. Okay, can I just ask you one question? Were you not or were you exclusive with Mia? And he's like, I mean, yeah. I mean, yeah. No, but like, yeah, you know, like. I mean, Yano, like, yes. No. Yes. You know, but like, she thought we were. Whoops.
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Ben Mandelker
So you lied to her. You lied. You lied. She was like, well, she thought you were. Because you said you were saying these things to her. And then you said you wanted to be with her. And I was like, yeah, earlier today you said you were not exclusive, by the way. And we see a flashback where he says, west says that they were absolutely not exclusive, but now it's that, oh, well, she thought we were exclusive. Yeah, but we weren't, by the way. People. That doesn't happen. People don't. People. No one says, like, I. Like, if you believe that you're exclusive with someone, but the other person doesn't. And it's been like, that way for months. Like, it doesn't last that way for months. It might last that way for, like a weekend. It's like, oh, I thought that we were exclusive. I didn't realize that we weren't exclusive. Like you. That's. That's. That is resolved pretty quickly. That's, like, understood and figured out quickly. It's not like it goes on for three months that one person thinks that they're exclusive when the other person doesn't know.
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Ronnie Caram
Yeah, I was telling her that he was calling her his girlfriend. So that's why she thought that West. She wasn't just confused. So Kyle's like, okay, now you're just like, I lied again. Lindsay's like, you cannot get up with his lies.
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Ben Mandelker
So me. It's like, so what's the truth? You know? Yeah, how do we. How do you know the details about this one, by the way? Kyle? He's like, oh, yeah, well, curiosity got the best of me. And so I did some of the work that you should have done, which is that I actually reached out to Mia to get some details. And Sierra's like, yeah, we have a timeline you know, it's like, yeah.
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Ronnie Caram
So I pull out the timeline.
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Ben Mandelker
He's like, hold on. You talk to this woman. Does she have big boobs?
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Ronnie Caram
Was it like, I've talked to her, too. So they've. I love that they've just all been calling her. And so Andy is questioning more. He's like, so you were dating her? And he goes, yeah, secretively. Yeah. Thanks for blowing up my spot, by the way. And Amanda's just sitting there like, blink, blink, blink, blink, Staring off into space with her Homer Simpson eyes.
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Ben Mandelker
Yeah.
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Ronnie Caram
And she thought you were exclusive, but you were seeing a lot of women. He's like. And Kyle's like, for 14 months? He goes, I mean, not a lot, but like. Yeah. I mean, like, what's a lot? You know, like our eggs. Her eggs a lot. It doesn't. They look. Is it like a 28 egg? Is it a 12 egg? Is it one of those little pack of six eggs that you buy this pre boiled? Those were really pricey, but worth it not to unpeel that. God damn it. Concentrate. How long do we have to be here?
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Ben Mandelker
So he was seeing other women, and while he was with her, multiple. And so it was like, but you were saying, I love you, Which I guess women imply.
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Ronnie Caram
I mean, women is multiple, but I
- [53:22]
Ben Mandelker
just had to sing Women. I'm like, multiple, multiple, multiple. Chai Tea.
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Ronnie Caram
Women's.
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Ben Mandelker
Women's.
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Ronnie Caram
So.
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Ben Mandelker
And Sierra's like, yeah. And you were saying, I love you to this woman like, you can't even look at me because you know you're lying right now. Oh, well, does it give you cause for pause? Rhymes. That he was seeing this woman saying I love you to her and everything. And then because he's asked this to Amanda, and Sierra's like, yeah, and sending her flowers on Valentine's Day, and you flew her out to Bozeman for the Montana game with your dad. So Wes flew Amanda out to Bose. Was he? Okay, but either way, I mean, if
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Ronnie Caram
he's Amanda, then secretly flying out this girl to see a football game on Valentine's Day with the dad, like.
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Ben Mandelker
Like sending flowers on Valentine's Day, like, that timeline is awful.
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Ronnie Caram
Oh, sorry. Those are two different things. Sending flowers on Valentine's Day.
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Ben Mandelker
Regardless. If you're sending flowers to Mia on Valentine's Day, and then you're. You're. You're picking up with Amanda in February.
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Ronnie Caram
Yeah. And Wes is like, that was January 3rd. Yeah, it was January. So either way, you're flying this girl out. And Andy's like, wait, hold on. Wes is like, yeah, but that was way before any of this, so that doesn't really count.
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Ben Mandelker
But the Valentine's Day, that does count. Okay? And Amanda's like, I had some of this information, not all of it. Why are you so chill with having like a fragmented piece of the picture? Whereas with Kyle, you were furious at him anytime, like, you didn't get the full. All the details.
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Ronnie Caram
Well, because she's trying to be a cool girl. You know, she's like, I. She was married to Kyle. That's different. You know, this is, she's trying. This is some guy. She's like, oh, you can still do whatever you want, West. I'm just a cool girl. You know, she's playing that with him, but it's already slipping. Like at the end when she's like, you're not supposed to eat your weenie. We're supposed to meet you. Like, you already see that part. So she's not going to be able to keep up with girl bullshit for long.
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Ben Mandelker
And what's so hard is that like, yes, you're only the beginning of a relationship. You're probably not exclusive. You know, you're trying to be chill or whatever and that's fine. But like, you also just got out of this 10 year relationship and like, you should have an awareness of red flags of what you want from a guy. Like, did you not learn anything from this relationship? We were actually rooting for you to get out of this relationship and to learn from it it and to hop into something that was better. And instead you're with a guy that admittedly you may not be exclusive with for. But like, well, he just sent, he just sent flowers to another girl like a week before he started getting with you and you, and he didn't tell you about any of this information. It's just to me, like, you don't have to be exclusive to see red flags.
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Ronnie Caram
Yeah, but if this were any different relationship, I'd be like, you go girl. Like, you were together for 10 years, you dumped your husband, go every boy in town. Like, who cares? You're in New York. Go do whatever you want. You don't need a commitment. You don't need this, you don't need that, that, but not your. Not your best friends.
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Ben Mandelker
Exactly. X. Especially when there's like, like when you're, when you're willing to basically ditch a friendship for this guy who has all these red flags.
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Ronnie Caram
Yeah. Congratulations. You've reached the end of part one of a two part recap for part two. Go look for the recap that Says part two. See you over there, suckers.
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