#3410 RHOA S17E11: The Ring Didn’t Mean a Thing

Summary

Watch What Crappens – Episode #3410 Summary

Podcast: Watch What Crappens
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Episode: RHOA S17E11: The Ring Didn’t Mean a Thing
Date: June 15, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode is a raucous, shade-filled recap and commentary on The Real Housewives of Atlanta Season 17, Episode 11 ("The Ring Didn’t Mean a Thing"). Ben and Ronnie, in their signature irreverent yet insightful style, praise, skewer, and cackle over the week’s RHOA events, highlighting the ongoing drama between Shamea and Portia, marriage woes, petty feuds, and the rolling cast of ATL characters. Along the way, they detour into personal stories, pop culture riffs, and Bravo universe connections, all while keeping the podcast’s playful, biting tone.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Knicks Victory, Live Shows, and Listener Interactions

• [02:15] Ben shares excitement about returning from NYC after witnessing the Knicks’ win and their live shows.
• [03:20] Ronnie appreciates being back in NYC, highlighting the city’s energy and giving a shoutout to fans.
• [03:30] Birthday wishes go out to community member "Shannon out of a cannon," with discussion about the devoted Bravo-fan community.

2. Ronnie’s Newsletter Controversy and The State of Internet Discourse

• [04:54] Ben reads from Ronnie’s newsletter (“Nia, you're making this so much worse...”), causing online controversy.
• [06:28] Hosts express disbelief at listeners twisting RHOA criticism into transphobic commentary.
  • Ronnie: "How are you going to listen to two gay men... and then come on and argue pro-straight guys and anti-trans shit?" [06:54]
  • Ben: "The Internet will always Internet." [07:22]

3. The Gerald Birthday Party – Shamia’s Guest List & Friend Drama

• [08:50] The episode opens at Lake Bailey with Shamia recovering from Gerald’s birthday.
• [09:31] Ronnie: "Nobody's watching the show for Gerald's birthday. You need to do better things."
• [10:26] Discussion on why Portia, Drew, and Angela weren’t at the party—underscoring Shamia’s avoidance of drama and Portia.

"You didn't want Portia there, you didn't want Drew there, and you didn't want Angela there. Those are three people who are at least twice as entertaining as you." — Ronnie [11:00]

4. Shamia & Portia’s Fallout – The Text Messages and Deeper Baggage

• [12:44] Shamia references nasty post-reunion texts with Portia, saying it’s bigger than the group circle.
• [13:24] Transition to Shamia’s surrogate storyline and her (oddly medieval) desire for a boy child—mirrored humorously to House of the Dragon plotlines.
  • Ronnie: "...having a medieval storyline. Like, what will we do if we don't have a dingaling? Drown the girl babies." [14:13]

5. House of the Dragon Comparisons & Bravo Crossovers

• [14:38]–[16:02] Entertaining detour comparing Shamia's family drama to House of the Dragon, adding comedic relief and Bravo meta-humor.

6. Pinky, K. Michelle & Atlanta’s Entrepreneur Drama

• [20:00] Pinky (founder of Slutty Vegan) laments $9,000 gone from her account; celebrates franchising milestone.
• [21:51] Ronnie: "She does change it up a lot... one minute she's like, I'm rich... and the next day she's like, bankruptcy."
• [23:02] Gossip on Shamia’s mom at the club with K. Michelle, club prayers, and Shamia’s insecurity about friendships in Atlanta.
• [25:25] K. Michelle shares that Shamia insists "nobody in Atlanta wants me to be your friend," fueling audience skepticism toward Shamia.

7. Portia’s Personal Storylines – Same Old Song?

• [27:36] Portia’s at home learning to cook and dealing with her doorbell-less iron door: “Do you think doorbells are made of actual dings?” (Ronnie) [28:08]
• [29:04] Portia’s romantic arc with Mike—hosts express fatigue with recycled dating narratives.
  • Ben: “We need something better here.” [29:59]
  • Ronnie: “I don’t necessarily believe it... The best one was the hot dog guy...” [30:27]

8. Relationships, Communication, and the ‘Feelings Are Valid’ Meme

• [32:18] Portia and Mike discuss love languages—Portia wants “community safety.”
• [33:35] Ronnie lampoons reality TV’s overuse of “Your feelings are valid.”
• [35:20] Portia’s issues with IVF, her boundaries, and not wanting to be pressured into another baby for someone else’s wishes.
  • Ben salutes: “Sometimes your partner has to readjust what they want for their life.” [36:23]

9. Kelly’s Neighborhood Saga & The Real Story

• [39:37]–[44:59] Kelly is moving because of a “stalking” neighbor—with Ronnie doing a deep dive on the actual parking dispute and restraining order.
• [42:03] Ronnie: “Your child is parking in the fire lane. That’s not okay either.”
• [44:59] Ben: “She’s not giving aspirational; she’s giving desperational.”

10. Emotional Weight – Angela’s Family and Grief

• [47:45] Angela and her brother reflect on the one year anniversary of their mother’s passing.

11. Phaedra Parks: Attorney At Law (and Standup Comic)

• [48:44] Phaedra returns to legal work, helping Kelly with custody/divorce matters.
• [50:17] Ronnie lists Phaedra’s surprisingly numerous legal honors.
  • “She got Georgia Super Lawyers Rising Star in 2005, 2007, 2009, and 2010... From Atlanta Magazine.” [51:18]

12. Montell Jordan as Marriage Counselor: "This Is How We Do It"

• [53:34]–[57:00] Hilarious shock as Derek and Pinky go to Montell Jordan (yes, “This Is How We Do It” Montell) for marriage counseling.
• Hosts riff on 90s pop stars in therapeutic roles:
  • Ben: “I’ve been doing some really important therapy with CNC Music Factory.” [53:45]
• Debate over pre-marital counseling and celebrity advisors.

13. Pinky’s Finances – Pride vs. Partnership

• [59:06] Pinky and Derek talk pride, bankruptcy, independence, and supporting each other through hardships.
• [61:04] Surprisingly sincere advice from Montell: "It's the marriage that makes your business even better. It's not the business that makes your marriage better." (Ben: "It was a good one." [61:22])

14. Portia, Phaedra and the Gay Jokes

• [63:24] Recap of Portia’s “surf and turf” dating approaches, with plenty of quips about sexuality and group dynamics.

15. Drew’s Brunch – Pinky’s Pilot, Natori Naughton Casting News

• [64:59] At Drew's brunch, the cast dishes about Pinky’s upcoming series, Natori Naughton playing Pinky, and shade about lookalikes.
  • Angela: "The only person I can see as Pinky is Mr. Clean." [65:48]

16. Shamia & Portia’s Text Beef – Is It Too Real for Reality TV?

• [66:44] Cynthia raises the post-reunion texts again; Portia says she won’t address private texts publicly. Ben and Ronnie criticize this evasiveness.
  • Ben: “I think this should not be just something that’s hidden behind closed doors… Put it in the open.” [67:06]
• [68:06] Recap of the awkward K. Michelle/ Drew/ Shamia lunch, ending with Drew alone.

17. Skating Party & Group Fun (and Fast-Forwarding)

• [69:00]–[70:00] 80s-themed skate party with food trucks—hosts acknowledge it’s not great TV, and facetiously “fast-forward.”

18. Portia and Dennis – The Ring Scene

• [70:35]–[77:14] The emotional core: Dennis returns Portia’s engagement ring; the two bicker about the meaning of the gesture, their past, and moving on.

"This was just him being a dick. Dick. Because he's always a dick whenever something is going well in her life." — Ben [73:02]

• Portia refuses to take back the ring; both accuse each other of being "the drama."
• Ben and Ronnie speculate on Dennis’s true motives and the inauthenticity of some of these “heartfelt” scenes.
  • Ben: “It feels like community theater... they start talking like community theater. It doesn’t feel authentic.” [77:27]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Ronnie: “You’ve done so much settling, you could have founded this country.” ([05:48])
• Ben: “You can’t spell RHOA without HOA.” ([42:53])
• Ronnie: "She's not giving aspirational; she's giving desperational." ([45:50])
• Ronnie on Phaedra: “Let me tell you, she ain’t lying... She got Georgia Super Lawyers Rising Star...” ([50:58]–[51:24])
• Ronnie on Montell Jordan therapy: “No, this is how we do it, baby. Gotta come together.” ([55:51])
• Angela: "The only person I can see as Pinky is Mr. Clean." ([65:48])
• Ben on Dennis’s motives: "There is always an ulterior motive." ([75:24])

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Important Timestamps

• [09:31] — Shamia and Cynthia discuss guest list and snubbed friends
• [12:44] — Shamia references post-reunion drama with Portia
• [39:37] — Real story behind Kelly’s “stalker neighbor”
• [48:44] — Kelly consults Phaedra, who lists her legal accolades
• [53:34] — Pinky and Derek go to Montell and Kristen Jordan for marriage therapy
• [70:35] — Portia and Dennis’s ring exchange scene

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Tone & Style

The conversation is peppered with snark, theatrical impressions, inside jokes, and the casual camaraderie of Bravo super-fans. The hosts speak candidly—sometimes critically—about cast behaviors but with clear affection for the genre and its drama. Listeners unfamiliar with the episode will walk away with a clear, engaging sense of the plot, the emotional stakes, and the (often absurd) hijinks of both the Housewives and their recappers.

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Conclusion

While not a standout RHOA episode plot-wise, Ben and Ronnie elevate the recap with biting wit, excellent research (on both parking disputes and Phaedra’s legal career), and plenty of tangents that keep things lively. The central themes: recycled drama, communication breakdowns, and that everyone (except Dennis) seems at least a little self-aware. Next week’s episode is teased with hope for more riveting nonsense—after all, between rings, real estate, and reality TV, there’s always more Atlanta drama ahead.

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Transcript

[Ronnie Caram]

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[Ronnie Caram]

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[Ben Mandelker]

Watch what happens. Watch what crap is who cares what happens when there's no other crap? Watch what happens over little feature who cares what happens I There's so much that crap hello and welcome to Watch what Crapins, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker and joining me today is the one and only, the irrepressible Ronnie Caram. Hi Ronnie, how's it going?

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, hello Ben, how you doing?

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh my God, I am great. I'm so happy to finally be home after a two and a half week odyssey to New York City City it was could not have thought of a better time to go than than than the past two weeks watching the Knicks ascend to win. Oh my God. I'm sure you were the one who was first out there on the streets, Ronnie, cheering with all the fans, weren't you?

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, you know what, when you're manifesting, the best way to manifest something is to not care. Because when you care, you're bringing kind of like that nervous negative energy into it.

[Phaedra Parks]

Like, oh my God, I want it so bad.

[Ronnie Caram]

And I didn't care. So I was just like, wow, I hope the Knicks win. And I was very nonchalant and it worked. So you're all welcome.

[Ben Mandelker]

It did. Yes. Thank you. Thank you, Ronnie, for bringing your nonchalance to help the Knicks acclaim victory. But anyway, for real though, it was a great time. And we've said it before, but we'll say it again. Thanks to everyone who came to our shows. That was really special for us and now we're back to real life. But it was a really great two and a half weeks.

[Ronnie Caram]

It was so much fun and so great being in the city for two weeks and getting kind of back into that lifestyle and seeing the city so lit and so excited.

[Ben Mandelker]

It was great.

[Ronnie Caram]

Was really cool. So, yeah, that was a really, really good time. I wanted to say happy birthday to Shannon out of a canon Anthony Triple 20, baby. Hit the 60. Long time listener, Facebook moderator friend of ours. So that's pretty incredible. She went on the Kate Chastain and Captain Sandy Cruise really to party with the Bay Area Badges badges, which is really cool that all those people are still hanging out. I mean, it's been years, it's been decades. So yeah, it's really cool to see stuff like that. So happy birthday to you. Sending all the love to the Bay Area badges. Bad jazz. And if you want to be on Patreon, which is where you get videos and bonus episodes like our Love island bonus episodes and etc. And you want ad free listening or our free weekly blog that I write every week because it's weekly, making fun of these shows all over again. It's so fun how I can trigger people in writing again. I just love it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

You know, there's something about. Yeah, there's really something about pissing people off with just audio that maybe I'm just used to, but pissing people off in writing just feels so much better.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, say it, forget it. Write it, regret it. Yeah, I was shocked. Never regret it.

[Ronnie Caram]

I regret nothing.

[Ben Mandelker]

I landed from New York yesterday and I went on to my phone and I was looking and there were some quotes from your. From your newsletter and you'd Written a thing about Nia and you basically were like, like, nia, stop, like, pretending, you know, Stop pretending everything's okay. Just say he's. He's got a problem with drinking and I told him he's got to fix it. Whatever. You just said something like that. So the apologist came out and then one of them somehow, like, equated this to, like, you know, like, somehow brought, like, trans, like, anti trans issues into it. And I was like, really? It's like, what are. What is wrong with people? What is happening here? I don't understand how you can even.

[Ronnie Caram]

I'm telling you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Any reason, Red in the near. Yeah, any reason, Any reason to bring it into, like, bashing trans people? I'm like, it's a discussion about Nia and Danny. What is wrong with you?

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, the quote is, nia, you're making this so much worse. Just say my husband's a dick and if he keeps that shit up, I'm leaving him. I'm not a moron. The cast and I would leave you alone, but no, you have to insist and demand that we all believe that the way he treats you is totally fine and normal and acceptable. No, ma', am, restaurants don't all decide to stop cleaning just because you're okay eating somewhere with the C posted on the front window. You've done so much settling, you could have founded this country. Okay, okay, that's the quote. So they somehow took this and made this into. You're so close on getting it right on the trans issue. Because just because they pretend doesn't mean we have to. And then I was like, go be a bigot somewhere else. And someone else is like, you guys have been disappointing me for four years.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, really?

[Ronnie Caram]

Then what are you still doing here? What are you, Nia, just sitting around and wallowing a disappointment? I mean, it's crazy. Come on. This is a simple.

[Ben Mandelker]

You want me to leave her babies?

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, for Christ's sake. People.

[Phaedra Parks]

Everyone.

[Ronnie Caram]

But whatever it is, I think there's something.

[Phaedra Parks]

Huh?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. But either way, the point is, you should be reading Rami's newsletter because he's got some hot takes in there.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's fun. It's fun. And by the way, you're allowed to, you know, disagree or whatever. I'm not. I'm not telling people not to disagree, but, you know, go be a bigot somewhere else. How are you going to listen to two gay men and then come on here, Two gay men who are, like, standing against the men on these shows for being such pricks. And then come on and argue. Pro, straight guys and pro or anti trans shit, you're just at the wrong place. I'm sure there are plenty of places for you to go. God bless you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Especially when talking about Danny and Nia has nothing to do with trans issues whatsoever that I can see. But, you know, you gotta love the Internet. The Internet will always Internet. When given a chance, the Internet will Internet. But anyway, as we are members of the Internet, let us do our job of adding noise to the Internet by talking about this week's Real Housewives of Atlanta. And speaking of the Knicks, you didn't watch the game, but Ms. Angela Oakley herself made a cameo appearance in the finals there because Charles Oakley was there for the. For game five of the Knicks versus the Spurs. And Angela was right there. So of course I was very excited because it was right at the end, you know, it was like seven seconds left. Knicks are up by two points. They go into. They start showing all the great Knicks. They're all in there, you know, standing up, Patrick Ewing, etc, like, oh, my God, is this the moment we're finally going to win? And then they show Charles Oakley and they show Angela next to him. So there was like, for me and for every Housewives fan, there was like an extra, extra, like, layer of euphoria happening in that moment. It's like, oh, my God, the Knicks are about to win. And there's Angela.

[Montel Jordan]

You know,

[Phaedra Parks]

I'm a fanji.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. She did not have her fangy present. What? What's. Are you. Are you blocking the gear? Like, no cameras, no fix, no photos, please. My nonchalance.

[Ronnie Caram]

I'm upping my lighting a little bit. Oh.

[Ben Mandelker]

So it's very exciting, but Real Housewives of Atlanta. So we start up. It's called. It's episode 11 from season 17. Shady text and Bigger Regrets. It's supposed to be Shady Texts and Bigger Regrets. Whatever it is. We are at Lake Bailey Cynthia's house, and America's favorite Shamia, she shows up and she's saying how. Wow. She just still. She just still hasn't even recovered from the party. It was just so fun watching Gerald turn whatever age he turned. I mean, it has taken it out of Shamia, but it was so, so fun. And she and Gerald are still talking about it.

[Ronnie Caram]

Guys, what an amazing party. And if you didn't remember much about it, it's because it was extremely boring because she didn't invite anybody that she didn't like just to feature her husband. Nobody cares about your husband. Okay? So sorry. Nobody's Watching the show for Gerald's birthday. I'm sorry, you need to do better things. So she's really excited, so that's good. And Cynthia's like, yeah, you know, Shamiya is usually a good time, but there wasn't anything fun about her ass in Dallas. And because my history, I want to just have this time with her to tell her, goddamn girl. So she was like, so, yeah, how'd you come up with the guest list? Because there were a lot of people not invited. And she says, well, last time I spoke with Drew or Angela, it was just so, you know, you can't just comfort somebody's marriage and think that you can come back from that. Yeah, you brought up her marriage. No.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, you did that first. So Cynthia's like, well, what about Drew? What's your issue with her? Shamia says, I don't have an issue with Drew. She just wouldn't stop bringing up Portia, and that's where I draw the line. And Cynthia's like, so with that said, since you did bring her up, which is ironic because you're complaining about you bringing up Portia, but since you brought up Portia just now, how come you didn't invite her to the party? And she's like, well, it's just a little too much for now. I think we've just gotta slow our roll, you know?

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

You never want to screen the friendship by having Portia come to Gerald's boring party. Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

Okay, so let's get this straight. You didn't want Portia there, you didn't want Drew there, and you didn't want Angela there. Those are three people who are at least twice as entertaining as you. So sometimes you gotta realize, like, where you are and what you're doing, which is filming a show. Nobody's into your storylines, everybody's into theirs. So, you know, maybe, like, bend a little so you can have a more entertaining party for TV that people are watching you on.

[Ben Mandelker]

Cynthia's like, well, I am going to point out that she did invite you. She'll see how. Well, she invited me, but let me finish speaking. Okay. We were in an awkward place, and we had not even spoken. On the other hand, Dennis and Gerald talk all the time, and they do play dates with the kids. So, you know, that's why. And which I still think it's like, I think if you invite Dennis, you invite Portia. Sorry, you.

[Phaedra Parks]

That. That.

[Ben Mandelker]

I think this is tacky on Shamia's part, so. But she said it would be unfair for her to let the issues with Portia spill into. Into Dennis and Gerald's relationships? Why is Dennis also all up in everyone else's friendships? Why is it like every season it's like, well, but Dennis is friends with. Dennis has his own relationship with Drew. Dennis has his own relationship with Gerald. Dennis is only friends with these people because of Portia, by the way. And then he's now a gratiated himself into all these people's lives. And then you're going to cut out Portia.

[Phaedra Parks]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

Dennis came on port. Came into Portia's life to get onto TV with his hot dog network.

[Phaedra Parks]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

And he's sticking to it, you know, he's getting what he came here for. And Shamia even says, yeah, and Simon might have even been there if he was still living in the country. So take that. I'm a triple non girls girl there.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know, right? Like, that's does not make it any better. So she goes, and you know that we had some really nasty texts that went back and forth after the reunion. And one was about my marriage. And Cynthia's like, but I always feel like when it comes to you and Portia, it's. It's bigger than our circle, so let's just leave it right there. I'm like, wait, no, but this is something real. Why we should talk about this. I'm sorry. This is a real issue and we should dive into it. It is. It is something bigger. And these two, they're being. They're being dumb by fighting so much, and they should get back to being friends. But that's fine. We can just leave it there and talk about, I don't know, Drew Sedora opening up a can of pickles or something.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. So to me is like, you know, when I'm away from my family or my life, I want to be able to have fun because I've just got so much happening. You know, My surrogate is due to start her mock cycle, and that's where we practice cycles. It's like, court, mock court. Just say, objection. But there's not really a judge. And anyway, we're starting my mock cycle, and I want to be able to. I'm worried that if this boy doesn't take, there might not be another chance for me to have a penis on a child. What will I do if I get any more vaginas? We'll lose the castle.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I, you know, you know, Cynthia's like, oh, great. Okay, well, I came here to talk about you and Portia, but sure, we could talk about your baby stuff some more.

[Ronnie Caram]

I'M doing a re watch of House of the Dragons because that show comes back soon and normally we recap it. We don't know if we're doing it this year, but we think so. So I thought, well, I better re watch it. It's been a couple years and it's like the same storyline as Shamia. And that's sad when you're like, having a medieval storyline. Like, what will we do if we don't have a ding a ling? Drown the girl babies. Drown the girl babies.

[Ben Mandelker]

Shamia having the same storyline as House of the Dragons is not what I was expecting you to say whatsoever.

[Ronnie Caram]

It actually is the same problem. If you think about it like, the green party has a or the green house has a party, but they don't have enough dragons there. And everyone's like, ugh, who wants to come here without dragons? Like, we're only here for the dragons.

[Ben Mandelker]

The way I don't remember anything that's happening on that show is hilarious. I was like, okay, yes, the green part of the dragons. That's right. They don't have any dragons. It's like, yes, of course. Of course. That is what is happening. And that. I'm like, I don't remember. All I remember is that Matt Smith spent the entire season wandering around a strange castle having visions of a lady. And I'm like, that's all it's called Heron Hall. How dare you? The siege of Haranhal. I will. I will watch a refresher to get me back up to speed on all huge things that happen.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, it is a huge thing, actually, because they go to Harrenhal because they need it for the war. But then the. The dragons had already, like, set it a fire. He's like, heron hall sucks now because you guys started it on fire with your dragon. What do you want from us? He's like, well, then repair it. Make it nice. And he's like, how am I supposed to do that? We don't have any money. You burnt all our money too. He's like, just do something. The auntie needs to come in there

[Phaedra Parks]

and be like, let me to fix Harrenhal.

[Kat and Nat]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

Everywhere.

[Ben Mandelker]

It literally was like his entire character was doing a full HGTV arc at Heron Hall. That's every single episode was him just fixing up that place while also having weird visions.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then he would talk about it. He would talk about it in, like, the, you know, when the show was over, and he'd be like, well, what's amazing is, is he going mad or Is he not going mad? And every week you have to wander. I'm like, every week. I really don't care. I'm like, just add some ac, get some new wiring and then go back to the island where your wife's sister is.

[Ronnie Caram]

Stop just dreaming of Joanna Gaines in every room and just put up the shiplap. We know you're gonna put up the ship lap. Just do it, okay?

[Ben Mandelker]

Please.

[Ronnie Caram]

So anyway, sorry for everybody, just confused, but you know, it is a part of our life, so. Yeah. So Shamia. Cynthia tries to talk some sense into Shamia about like opening your heart to other people and shimmy is not having it. She's like, no, I won't. And she's like, I have nothing to apologize for because they've also lit me up. So Cynthia's like, okay, whatever. So they hug. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a crappin commercial. My mom is the queen of the bargain find. I mean, you can't even compliment the woman without finding out how much something costs. I was like, mom, I really love your new dress. She's like, it was $5. I got this as a bargain. And I found new place to make her so happy. I've never seen her so thrilled. It's called whatnot.

[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Caram]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Caram]

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[Ben Mandelker]

It's a really cool site. It's really cool app. I was just clicking around on it this morning. I mean, I'm always on the hunt, believe it or not, for like interesting bunt pans and there were so many on there, shockingly. But people are selling so much stuff on there.

[Ronnie Caram]

Download whatnot today and get $20 off and free shipping first purchase. Search whatnot. W h a t N o t in the app Store. Sign up and start finding the best deals on the products you love. With $20 off and free shipping on your first purchase, your outdoor space should feel like you. I have this gigantic patio deck thing that I wanted to use for parties and I could just not find any fashionable patio furniture. I needed a lot, and I needed it to go together. I needed different pieces that all kind of look the same. And I was able to go on Wayfair and search for exactly what I needed. Different brands, different, different things all coming together in one style. It was so easy to do it, and it looks great.

[Ben Mandelker]

I can confirm that his outdoor area looks great. And the thing is that you can get more than just seating. You can get grills, major appliances, storage, patio lighting, rugs, decor. Wayfair really is your one stop shop for home.

[Ronnie Caram]

And the best thing about this place, well, not the best, one of the best is that you don't even have to put this stuff together. You can hire somebody from Wayfair to come put it over, put it all together for you, you know, and that's the best part. Because if I put it together, it's rickety. It's falling apart no matter where it's from. I just don't have that skill. But they do.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. That is actually probably the part of Wayfair that I just tell my friends about. Just unsolicitedly. I just will say, like, not only can you order the stuff, someone else can put it together for you. Patio season is here, and these deals won't last. Head to Wayfair.com right now and get your outdoor space ready for way less. That's W a Y F A I

[Ronnie Caram]

R.com Wayfair Every style, every home, we go to Pink Lotus. And this is K. Michelle and Pinky for a meeting. And Pinky's like, oh, my gosh, $9,000 came out of my account this morning. I couldn't even identify what it was. It turns out it was food for the restaurant. God, so much money coming in and out. I just don't know. So tough being a boss.

[Ben Mandelker]

I. By the way, I'm. I'm still sort of on the name of this place. Pink Lotus. It's just like, like, guys, let's capitalize off of the success, the success of White Lotus. But we'll call it Pink Lotus and we'll make sure Pinky shoots a scene here to justify the name. Okay, go. So they're celebrating, though. Pinky is celebrating something today. And K. Michelle says, what are you celebrating? And Pinky says, just life. Because there's so much that's good. I mean, $9,000 less. That's good. But there's still so much that's good. And so that they toast because she's franchising, slutty vegan, and Pinky's saying how there's never been a black woman to franchise a vegan brand, so that's a very exciting thing. And she says, I think God wanted me to go through all that bad stuff because, you know, good things are happening back to back now.

[Montel Jordan]

Are they?

[Ben Mandelker]

What are the good things that are happening? You just lost $9,000 when you went to the bathroom.

[Ronnie Caram]

I don't know. Because she does. She does change it up a lot. Like, one minute she's like, I'm rich. I pissed. $90,000. Who gives a shit? $90,000 is nothing to me. I wipe my ass with that. And the next day she's like, oh, $4 million. And that's state. She's like, my husband's taking care of it, but I can't. Then she's like, I can't let my husband take care. I don't know. She's going. She's vacillating a lot between, like, boss B and, oh, my God.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, it's all over.

[Ronnie Caram]

So I'm not really sure what to believe. I would imagine that that's normal in this situation.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, she, at this point, is saying how bankruptcy at first was, like, a really tough pill to swallow, but now she's used to it. She's like, you know what? I'm used to being bankrupt. And also, she's got a husband who's going to help her if. If it gets really bad.

[Kat and Nat]

And.

[Ben Mandelker]

And she's like. She's like, I just want him to know that his wife is a warrior, and that's what made him attracted to me in the first place. I am a warrior who's also making a pilot with someone from 3 LW. Okay?

[Ronnie Caram]

So K. Michelle's like, well, everybody has

[Phaedra Parks]

their seasons and their highs and their lows, and I'm going through my season right now. You know, it's just. There's all these opinions that make you feel like you don't belong.

[Ronnie Caram]

What is your season?

[Phaedra Parks]

What? What?

[Ronnie Caram]

How are you going through your season? You're offended at everything that happens. How is that a season? Is that. What season would that be?

[Phaedra Parks]

Fall.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's always raining.

[Pinky]

How dare you say it's fall. How dare there is a plot to say it's fall when it was actually summer

[Phaedra Parks]

season.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then Pinky's like, By the way, why was Shamia trying to take that purse out of your hand?

[Pinky]

She like, oh, my gosh, I told you.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, yeah. I mean, that's hilarious.

[Pinky]

Just, well, you know, laugh is more

[Phaedra Parks]

than the national anthem.

[Pinky]

And hopefully if you do wrap up people, you'll get an experience for.

[Ben Mandelker]

To experience other performances, you know. Yeah. Like cruise ships. And then they both laugh. And so then came the game. Michelle is like, you know what? Badgering came at the right time. So basically

[Ronnie Caram]

K. Michelle's like, drew puts out a music.

[Phaedra Parks]

You gonna trust somebody that puts out a music?

[Ronnie Caram]

Is this true?

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know if it's true. I don't know if she's saying that her music sounds like AI or she uses AI. It could be a little bit of both, to be honest. So K. Michelle's saying that they had like a long night. And she says, by the way. So Shamia and her mom came to the club. It's like two in the morning. And Biggie's like, wait, the club? She's like, girl. She's like, they didn't. She didn't knock up the club. And we actually see footage of Shamia and her mom at the club. And so camish.

[Ronnie Caram]

I would love to see Shimmy as mom at the club.

[Phaedra Parks]

Can we just play a song? Everybody needs to get along together because we're here together to get along and love each other.

[Ronnie Caram]

No fighting, no mess. That's a very long title. Could you be more specific, by the way? I just looked it up. Recent buzz surrounding Drew Sedora and AI music stems from rumors sparked by her castmates, so. Oh, I guess this is just coming from K. Michelle.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

Is there proof? Put it through an AI, An AI filter or whatever.

[Ben Mandelker]

Do we know if Drew Sedora is even a real person or is she just an AI generated avatar? Because sometimes I wonder.

[Ronnie Caram]

I wonder that about Rula on Real House.

[Ben Mandelker]

People say that and people say that about Corbin on Love Island. They're like, is he AI? Yeah. So slowly. So anyway, so they're at the. Shamia brought her mom to the club and K. Michelle says, we're literally like this. And she's has like. It's like head to head, like. And she says that, I think. Was she talking? She says her mom, Shamia's mom has her. Is like holding her hand. Is holding K. Michelle's hand. And Pinky's like, not praying in the club. And Kim Michelle says, basically it went

[Pinky]

on for over an hour.

[Ben Mandelker]

And you know, you say to me,

[Pinky]

oh, and I just Hope you'll be loyal to me. I hope you'll be my friend. Because none of my friends want to be your friend. So when I go to the car, I'm like, literally crying by then.

[Ben Mandelker]

At first when she said this, I thought she said the mom was saying this. I thought the mom was telling her, I hope you'll be my friend because no one wants to be my wants. Like, no one wants to be your friend, so be my friend. But then real afterwards, I realized that must have been Shamia who was saying this to K. Michelle.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. Which basically kind of proves everybody who's saying that Shamia is twisting all of this stuff and making K. Michelle kooky is correct. This is what Shamia has been doing. And finally, K. Michelle is telling us, yeah, she's sitting there like, nobody wants me to be friends with you, which is why she thinks nobody likes her. So, yes, she is being loaded up by Shamia and then sent out to argue with everybody. It is shitty. And so she's like, you know, I've

[Phaedra Parks]

got Shamia's back more than anything, but for you to keep saying to me, nobody in Atlanta wants me to be your friend. I mean, I don't want to hear about no goddamn candy company.

[Ben Mandelker]

I didn't really get that.

[Ronnie Caram]

So was she saying that Candy was one of the Candy doesn't like her? I don't know.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't.

[Ronnie Caram]

But I love that candy's still being brought into it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. I mean, sometimes K. Michelle makes a reference to something that I'm like, what is she talking about? Because, you know, she picks up references that aren't there. So then she makes references that aren't there too. So she's basically offended by this because. Because Shamia is trying to advocate for herself by saying, look how good I am to you. I'm the only one that wants to be your friend. Which is so mean to K. Michelle.

[Ronnie Caram]

Kyle Richards. Everybody thinks it. Everybody says that, yeah, I'm the only one here for you. Everybody else hates you, you know?

[Ben Mandelker]

So they came.

[Pinky]

Michelle's like, I just want us to have some fun.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Pinky, of course, on the heels of hearing a story about how Shamia told came Michelle that no one likes her. Pinky's like, well, speaking of fun, I

[Pinky]

said, you know what?

[Ben Mandelker]

We should have a skate party. It's an 80s theme. I'll bring the vibes and the energy. We're not gonna do any bs. I'm like, okay, so we'll just move on from the fact that Shamia, like, made the slanderous comment. Okay, Michelle, that's fine. We'll just plan a skate party instead,

[Ronnie Caram]

and everybody's gonna be invited. So then we go to Portia's house, and she's got a chef, and he's teaching her how to slice carrots and stuff, because I guess it's just never too late to learn how to slice a carrot.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's never too late. You know, life is about learning. Life is learning. And if that means slicing carrots, then so be it.

[Ronnie Caram]

So Portia, we find out, doesn't have a doorbell. And she's.

[Phaedra Parks]

She's like, well, that's because it's iron doors. Nothing's going to signal from that door, so you have to call my phone or you have to bust your knuckles.

[Ronnie Caram]

What do you think doorbells are made of? Little actual dings. Like little actual bells in front of a door. That you're supposed to sing here from the inside. They're connected to electricity and speakers in your home in general.

[Ben Mandelker]

I've never heard that before. That you can't install a doorbell by an iron door, even if it's a ring. Like, that's crazy. Does she think it's just a bunch of little sprites playing a glockenspiel? I mean, what is this?

[Phaedra Parks]

Someone is dung from outside Porsche.

[Ronnie Caram]

I mean, the girl's just learning how to chop a carrot for the first time at 40 something. So I guess we should give her a break.

[Ben Mandelker]

Issues of the doorway have plagued her for a long time. First it was the welcome mat that Marlo pointed out. Now it's the doorbell. I mean, I don't even know what's gonna happen next. It's gonna be a knob issue. Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

So they're making oxtails for dinner. And it's Mike. It's Mike who's coming in.

[Phaedra Parks]

Big Mike.

[Ben Mandelker]

Great.

[Phaedra Parks]

And, well, I like Mike, but I'm standing 10 down, 10 toes down on my sister's advice.

[Ronnie Caram]

And then we see a flashback of Lauren being like, as a. As women, we should multi date. Not multi sleep with, but just. You need to date five people at a time. You know, that's the same thing they're telling Taylor Frankie Paul on the Mormon Wives show. I started watching that season late. That's not true. Advice. Why do people give this advice? I don't think you need to date. Maybe it's just 20 people at a time. Men are men. Find one you like and be done with it.

[Ben Mandelker]

To be fair, Mike is about as wide as five people. He's a very, very muscular.

[Ronnie Caram]

He's a big guy.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's a big guy. And then they serve him food. They serve him this, like, one little, like, chicken wing. I was like, that's not gonna be enough for him. So Porsche saying, I know I'm wifey

[Pinky]

material because I carry the energy anytime I date, so of course I can picture a future with you. But I am definitely trying to move differently this time.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm like, are you? We've seen Portia trot out this the Dating Game for so many years. I'm like, I just. I'm sorry. I don't want to be negative, everyone. I'm loving this season. I really am. But I do feel like that. I do feel like the episodes kind of ground to a halt when it gets to Portia's personal life, whether she's doing. Going on a date or talking with Dennis, it's just kind of like the same scene we've been seeing for years and years and years and years. And, like, we. We need something better here.

[Ronnie Caram]

And I don't necessarily believe it. She doesn't seem to really have anything going on with Mike. She has something. The sway seem thing somewhat believable, but, I mean, we've. The best one was the hot dog guy, because that was just hilarious that she'd started dating the hot dog guy and then ended up doing all that with a hot dog guy and having a kid in, like, five minutes. So that was something. And then it was Simon who she stole. Slash didn't steal. Depending on who you listened to. From her friend. Slash, not friend. Depending on who you listen to right after because he's a super rich African. So she wanted that money and then kind of got that. So we see how Portia moves. She moves from, like, a hot dog guy to another rich guy to Mike. What does Mike do? Do we know what Mike does?

[Ben Mandelker]

He's an actor. He's an actor. Speaker.

[Ronnie Caram]

Nah, he's. Yeah, she's getting. She's getting with a rich man. Come on.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. It makes you almost pine for the day of Kenya and her tow truck operator. It's like, those are the days.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, yeah, the garbage truck guy. Was it tow truck? I guess it was tow truck.

[Ben Mandelker]

What was his name again? Walter. Like, Wes, but Walter.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yes.

[Ben Mandelker]

W. I knew he had a W. There's Walter.

[Ronnie Caram]

Her hired YouTube actor.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. I don't know. So, like, I hate to be negative about it. I just feel like. I feel like Portia is such an iconic cast member, and she's such a great, like, hall of fame real housewife, but I Do feel like she does self produce so much of her personal stuff that I just really. I have a hard time with it. Like, I think she's great in a group, in group events, but, like, when the action settles down and she's in her living. Living room with her mom and her sister, and a guy comes over, a Dennis, I'm always like, all right, everyone, time to get a snack.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. So he's talking about love languages. I don't even know why. And he's like, yours is to feel safe.

[Phaedra Parks]

And she goes, yeah, it's like, it's community safety. Yeah, safety.

[Ronnie Caram]

He's like, you want to feel protected?

[Phaedra Parks]

She's like, well, communication.

[Ronnie Caram]

And he's like, communication. Yours is communication.

[Phaedra Parks]

She's like, you don't think I'm good at communication?

[Ronnie Caram]

He's like, you don't have a doorbell that works.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like, literally a communication block.

[Pinky]

So then she's like, so remember I was at Culture Con, and we see

[Ben Mandelker]

footage of the famous moment where Portia announced to the world that she's talking to two different people. He is nice, and she is nice.

[Pinky]

So.

[Ben Mandelker]

And everyone's like, oh, my God. Oh, my God. So she says, I was wrong. She tells us, I was wrong.

[Pinky]

I was wrong. In my odd mind, I thought I was giving him a shout out, but it just. I guess it wasn't like a shadow in her mind.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's thinking, wasn't it nice that I included you in the discussion of people that I'm interested in? Like, that you made it to the final two. You made it to the season finale of the. The Porsche, Lorette. Like, aren't you excited? And he's kind of like, I'm assuming what his reaction was sort of like, wait, there's someone else in the picture. What's going on?

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, and he does the guy thing because he probably watches Love island, so he's learned boy, boy talk. My voice is really gone after the past. Past couple of weeks. But he's like, yes, listen, I hear you, and everything you're saying is valid. And part of being safe and a safe space to you is letting you know that you're valid. Oh, for Christ's sake, just tell her you don't want her dating two people. I would. Why is this suddenly okay? Everybody's like, oh, that's great. Oh, we just had sex. Oh, yeah, that was fun. We've been dating for a couple weeks. We had sex. You told me you loved me. Oh, you still want to date my sister? Oh, great. Great.

[Pinky]

It.

[Phaedra Parks]

Go ahead.

[Ronnie Caram]

You know what? Safe space. Safe that. I'm.

[Phaedra Parks]

I'm.

[Ronnie Caram]

I'm knifing the air out of your tires.

[Ben Mandelker]

Ronnie.

[Ronnie Caram]

What?

[Ben Mandelker]

Your feelings are valid.

[Ronnie Caram]

You with that, you boy. And listening to that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Honestly, on 90 of the time, my

[Ronnie Caram]

feelings are not valid, okay? And everybody's feelings and opinions are not valid either. Okay, cut this.

[Ben Mandelker]

That as her point. Yeah. Like, honestly, there was an episode of Love island sometime. Who knows? They all blend together where Corbin, the big tall boy who every episode is like, yeah, And I go to Lucas. So this time he's like, in the middle of it, he does. He's like. He's like, your feelings are valid. I was like, wow, if even this guy is doing your feelings are valid, then that means it's time to retire this. Okay, this is getting worse than Kyle Richards saying that something's on fleek. Your feelings are valid. Your feelings are, like, valid. Melanie. Your feelings are valid. Can I get a little kiss? Can I get a kiss? Can I get a kiss?

[Ronnie Caram]

Okay, so Portia's like, you know, the

[Phaedra Parks]

thing is, he wants to take it slow, but then he still wants kids. But then I have to do ivf, and I don't want, you know, he doesn't have kids. And, you know, of course he wants a little pee pee. And, you know, a little portion, not a pee pee.

[Ronnie Caram]

And so she's like, you know your quality. And I will offer to take it slow with you, Portia, you know, he wants kids. You don't want kids. Just get out of there. It's not worth it for this storyline.

[Ben Mandelker]

I do appreciate, though, like, Porsche ending the streak of women on the Real Housewives recently who are like, well, IVF was terrible, and I'm at an age where it would actually be dangerous for me, and I don't want to do it. I actually do not want to do this whatsoever. But he wants a child, so I guess I'll have to do it. I'm glad that she's like, yeah, I'm not doing that again, because we've seen, like, a few too many times. And I. I appreciate making sacrifices for your partner, but sometimes your partner has to, like, readjust what they want for their life because it's just not fair to make someone have to do all the physical. Go through all the physical duress just because you have an idea of how you want things to look in your picture frame.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, and also, it's unfair because guys kind of have unlimited time. You know, like, we see guys getting people pregnant when they're 90. Like, Robert de Niro or whoever who' still out there impregnating everybody and it's not really fair to like wait and then be like oh wow, I'm not getting as much ass as I used to. Guess I better settle down now with someone that's 50 and then make them have a baby. If it kills them, who cares? I I'll have a baby. Like yeah you. You waited. You did not. And you got off the pot and now you have to poop and now you're just going to have to take the rest of this ride having to poop.

[Ben Mandelker]

Your feelings are valid. Your diaper is valid.

[Ronnie Caram]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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So now we go to Kelly's house and she's moving. Okay, she's moving because she doesn't like her home anymore. And I thought it was going to be because of. She wanted to get a fresh start with her ex and everything, but it turns out that actually she also has a neighbor who's harassing her. And I'd forgotten about this because I think we probably mentioned this on one of the crappy hours, but she has a. She has a neighbor who's a real issue, a real. A real bad neighbor. This is a neighbor who did not take any. Any Wisdom from the Mrs. Pools of the world or Vicky, the neighbor on, you know, Small Wonder, or David Leisure. This is a bad neighbor, and they have made her life.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, it's a bad neighbor. But listen to this, okay? So I looked. I looked this up and read the stories. This is not that Kelly want move, okay? Kelly has a protective order against her because she went over and attacked the neighbor at her home. Because, first of all, she lives next to the HoA lady, the HoA President, which nobody needs that. I would never live next door to the HOA president. That's crazy, because, you know, they're a pain in the ass. And I know there are HOA people listening to this and they're like, I'm not. I'm not a problem. Okay, maybe you're. But we all know that in general, it. Yeah, the stereotype car somewhere, it's like, that car is ugly. I'm writing them a letter about it. I don't want to see that on the street. Their mailbox needs to be repainted and

[Phaedra Parks]

someone's gonna do something about it. It's gonna be me.

[Ronnie Caram]

You know, you're that person. Sorry. So she's living next door to her. This lady. Her name is Perry. Perry. I looked up. She's also got, like, a. Acting.

[Ben Mandelker]

Is it Perry Gilpin?

[Ronnie Caram]

Close.

[Pinky]

Please.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's. Please. I. I had it up here, but I lost it. Perry.

[Ben Mandelker]

If it was Ron from Frasier up, this would be a great scandal.

[Ronnie Caram]

All right, let's just have it be Perry Gilpin. So it's Perry Gilpin. Perry Gilpin's also got, like, some acting resume online where she's trying to get work in the industry, you know, whatever, which, you know, that's fine, but just to give some background. So Kelly's kid is parking in the fire zone, I guess, consistently. She just keeps parking in the fire lane. And then the HOA lady, Perry, is like, you cannot park in the. In the parking lane. And she just keeps doing it. Anyway, so finally, Sherry just booted her car. She kept calling and getting the car booted. Now Kelly is taking this and saying, this woman is stalking me and my children. She's. No, your child is parking in the. Parking in the fire lane. Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

And that's not okay either. Now the lady booting it. Sure. That's. Yes. Going a little too far. So Kelly goes over there and gets into it with this lady. She says the lady physically assaulted her, but the lady is saying that she came onto her property when it wasn't allowed, and she got a protective order against her, so she might have to move. I don't. If you have a protective order against you, you can't be within a certain amount of feet within somebody. So that's everything I read. But it's a damn mess over there. And the way that Kelly is telling it is she's been harassing me. She's stalking me. She's stalking Chloe. She's booting her car. I had to call the police. It just became out of control because I protect my babies. Well, you should also worry about the houses that want to be protected from being on fire and have your child stop parking in the parking lane.

[Ben Mandelker]

See, I knew you were gonna get the real story. That's why I didn't even bother. I was like, I'm not looking this up. Ronnie's gonna tell me everything. He's gonna know everything. He's gonna have the whole thing. All I do know is that you can't spell rhoa without HOA So it's a test. True that. We finally had an HOA moment.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's a full circle moment. I will say this. It puts me in an awkward position because Kelly makes me Crazy on the show. But I don't dislike like Kelly. I mean, I like her. I think she seems like a decent person. You know, she could do better on the show, but I like her and her kids seem sweet. So what are you going to side with the HOA lady who you know is a monster? So I don't want to side with her. But the main issue is parking in the fire lane, which we all know is annoying anybody who has street parking. And then there's a one person who's just like entitled to do whatever they want or they'll like park in front of the full driveway so that the people go. They have to go find you the person to move, you know, those entitled people. And so I'm like, great, they got their car booted.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm on Perry Gilpin's side on this one because I. We have that too. We have. It's townhomes and we have like a little driveway area. And there's one person who, when they have guests over, they allow them to park in front of their garage. But like all the garages are in like one sort of like, you know, it's like a. Like a townhome setup. It's like a U shaped thing and so, like, it blocks people. It's like, get a parking pass. Get a street parking pass like the rest of us do. It's not that difficult. So I do. I know what I'm on. I'm on Perry's side with this. And so to that I will say, perry, your fire lane is valid. I support this.

[Phaedra Parks]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

So get the out of the fire, Kelly. But to hear Kelly said, I'm being stalked, I'm being harassed. So maybe there's more to the story. I'd love to hear it if it's out there.

[Ben Mandelker]

I would love to hear more of this story too, which is that, Kelly, you. You're moving out of this apartment and you're going to move into Sham's town home while. While you find some place. What happened to Jarvis? Did, did, did, did that. Did that little. The little sugar daddy situation kind of dry up there? Why is Jarvis not providing a roof for this family?

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, yeah, because 75 grand would have gone a long way towards a rental that would have gone a long way. And you're wearing your townhouse in your mouth basically because you got your teeth done by Jarvis. Kelly's. Let me tell you, Kelly is hooking it up. Now, normally we watch these shows for aspirational women. Like, we want to see Shimmy as like really Rich people doing really glamorous things. Kelly is doing the opposite, and she's going through it. So I'm not really even making fun of it, but she's. She's going through it, and she's doing the opposite. She is just getting free everywhere. She got the free teeth from Jarvis.

[Ben Mandelker]

This.

[Ronnie Caram]

She's getting the free town home. I'm assuming it's free from Shamia because she's got a Shamia townhome sitting around, and she's getting free lawyer work from Phaedra later in the episode. Okay, so pay your employees then. Because the other articles that were coming up. Are you not paying your employees? So come on.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's not giving aspirational. She's giving desperational. So she's moving into Shamia's house. Town home. Which is fine. That's fine. I mean, look, it's. It's a. It's roof over the head. It's free. Oh, look at that. A fan has emerged.

[Ronnie Caram]

I got this fan from the Jellicle Cats, so I'm gonna put it away. So I will stop clacking it.

[Ben Mandelker]

You can clack it whenever. You will clack it whenever there's a point to be made. That was also the sound of. I feel like Kelly's setting the vertical blinds in the townhome.

[Phaedra Parks]

Better get that. You better get that fan out of my face, Kenya. You better get it out. You are nothing but a slut from the 90s.

[Ronnie Caram]

People are hating.

[Ben Mandelker]

The boy in the story is putting it away. She moves into this town home, and there's nothing more to say about it. It's just the town home. Which, by the way, the kitchen looks identical to her. The mom's town, wherever they. When Shamia went to her parents house and they were making grits, it looked like the exact same kitchen. So it makes me wonder, were her parents staying in that town home? Do they have another town home that looks like that? These are the things that I'm most curious about. Not when will Kelly get on her feet. It's more like. Like, where were they shooting that scene?

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Are they using this town home? Was it a fake scene? Was it a fake? Fake home for the parents? Tell me everything.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, that's a good question. I don't know.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's actually not a good question.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, it is the town home. I'm like.

[Ben Mandelker]

Because I was like, this looks like the same kitchen. Not that it has any bearing on anything. And if they did shoot that scene in this kitchen, like, it literally changes nothing. But I just want to know. I just want to know. I want to know where everyone's house is.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. So Shamia has food sitting out and stuff like that for her. And she says this is one of her very first investment properties that she bought within her marriage. And, of course, Kelly's gonna get to

[Phaedra Parks]

come because she's a good friend, and

[Ronnie Caram]

now she can never turn against Shamia, unlike everybody else on this show.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So anyway, now we go to Stanton park, where Angela and her brother Lawrence are there. And also, Angela's daughter is Amari. I think her name is. I forget Amari, but she. Amari, she goes and plays. And so Angela's saying that her. She and her brother are very close, and, you know, her mom had recently passed. And so they now have a really sad scene where they talk about losing their mom and grief.

[Phaedra Parks]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

So we're not going to make fun of that. And so then we go to. Well, basically, we find out that none of the siblings even know that Amari got married. So, yeah, she's like, well, I'm gonna leave it up to them to tell. So then we go to the Parks Group attorneys and Counselors at law, and Kelly is meeting up with Phaedra.

[Ben Mandelker]

And so it's kind of fun to see Phaedra back in, like, lawyer mode, because I feel like she's been in so many other modes since we lost last saw her practicing law. I mean, I believe her last occupation we saw was her Reiki healing and blowing into a recorder. So now she's back in, like, law mode. And so Kelly comes in, and Kelly's like, you know, Phaedra, I need a miracle on top of miracles. You know, everything is in red. I'm in World War Three. When going through a divorce where the other partner is not financially helping you with a parent, it just becomes a burden. Phaedra's like, well, I went ahead and filed the emergency ex parte filing clarifying your divorce settlement, but I might want to file another motion for child support. And I was also thinking of going down to the courthouse and doing a Reiki Healy session on the judge. I don't know.

[Phaedra Parks]

Just.

[Ben Mandelker]

Just throwing that out there.

[Ronnie Caram]

She's like, here's what I was thinking of filing a motion called

[Phaedra Parks]

could you

[Ronnie Caram]

please not tell me in Peter and the Wolf? Like, I really, really need to understand what's going on here. So I'll be filing a dong. Phaedra, could I get just something a little more specific?

[Pinky]

Sipping.

[Ronnie Caram]

Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

Pedro, are you doing Rumble in the Bungle in the jungle in the 70s?

[Ronnie Caram]

Now, I would like you to put your hand on the Bible. That is a dead person's hand. Yes, I'm into taxidermy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hold on, please. Just put that to the side.

[Ronnie Caram]

Portia. I mean, Portia. Phaedra also tells us that she is Phaedra Parks, lawyer, lawyer at large. And she's like, I've won many commendations as a lawyer. And I was like, really? Like, what prizes do lawyers get? So I looked it up, and let me tell you, she ain't lying. She's got. Let me tell you what she's got. The 2014 Maynard Jackson legacy Award from the National Bar Association. Okay. Atlanta's most popular lawyer in 2016. She got that from Fulton County District Attorney Paul Howard, Attorney of the. What's that?

[Ben Mandelker]

You're the most popular lawyer. Congratulations.

[Ronnie Caram]

Congratulations. Attorney of the year, 2006. She got that. I don't know. I don't know who gave that to her. She got Georgia Super Lawyers rising star in 2005, 2007, 2009, and 2010. From Atlanta Magazine.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's a lot of time. Shouldn't you be only. Can't. Shouldn't you only win Rising star once? At that point, you've risen.

[Ronnie Caram]

How many times do you get to be New Artist of the Year?

[Ben Mandelker]

For sure. I know.

[Ronnie Caram]

Top woman of influence commended by Atlanta Business League and named Rolling out magazine's top 25 most influential window Women. She was also. I mean, it's crazy. She's got a ton of stuff here. I mean, I didn't even know lawyers got awards, so. Good for Phaedra.

[Pinky]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. She's killing it. So she's talking about filing these motions. She brings in her partner Quenton, and he's talking about, you know, lawyerly things. And Kelly is like, well, there's a situation of me filming with my daughters. And Pedro's like, well, we've got to make the court see the importance of being able to show yourself as a mother. That is paramount. As in, we could work out a deal for you to be on Paramount. Plus, that would really probably help you out a lot.

[Pinky]

Just. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

And if you want me to share my truth, like, don't put me on those things. I'm like, Like, I don't know. I kind of feel like that in this case, the dad's doing all of us a solid, because I don't. I really don't want to watch Kelly and her daughters. Like, let's focus on other things we're doing. I, I, I would rather watch you play pickle ball than Have a scene of you doing homework with your daughters and talk about how hard it is you got daughters. They're growing up so fast. Just.

[Ronnie Caram]

I want to see you train some people in n personally.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, yeah,

[Ronnie Caram]

yeah. Nobody's been trained in nanas. Go train them. That's interesting. So Phaedra's like, you know, I, this is my gift to you because I've been through a divorce and I know what it's like. And she's like, oh, my God, are you serious? I'm like, yes, I am serious. And Kelly's like, oh, God. Attorneys, attorneys, fees, court, all these fees add up. So it feels really good to rely on Shamia and Phaedra. I'm so thankful for the knowledge and the friendship.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, I always admire you and I know that you are a standup woman. I will forever be indebted to you guys for that. Well, thank you. And thank you for acknowledging my new career as a stand up. I. I'm working on some jokes. You can see me at Haha's in downtown Atlanta later this week.

[Ronnie Caram]

So now we go to Montel and Kristen Jordan's house. Montel is a singer pastor and Kristen is also a pastor.

[Ben Mandelker]

This is the twist I was not expecting was for Derek and Pinky to go get marriage counseling from Montel Jordan. This is.

[Ronnie Caram]

I, I didn't see this coming either.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm like, guys, this just in. I have decided to. I'm doing some, some work on myself and I've been doing some really important therapy with CNC Music Factory.

[Ronnie Caram]

Guys, I've been feeling a little bit sad and down on myself. Robin's coming over later to just

[Ben Mandelker]

help me through this. But I know people are allowed to have multiple careers. I know Alanis Morissette is a licensed therapist herself, but I just don't know if I could really take any sort of counseling from anyone who was like a pop star at one point. I just don't. I mean, I think I would love it, but I don't know if I could take it seriously.

[Ronnie Caram]

It would be hard to concentrate, you

[Ben Mandelker]

know, it would be. I'm like, is this how we do it, Monto?

[Ronnie Caram]

And who's we? Who's we?

[Phaedra Parks]

Does everybody do it the same way? Is that, is that a huge thing?

[Ronnie Caram]

Tell this is how we do it, baby.

[Ben Mandelker]

Are we back in an old school jam?

[Ronnie Caram]

Pinky is saying Montel is not only one of the greatest artists of our generation, but he and his wife life have been marriage counselors even before they got married. I think this is a Thing, you know, like I. In Catholicism or whatever. That's the only way I know what it is. But going through therapy before you get married is actually good because you learn a lot about each other that you would never be asking because you're so in love right before marriage. I think in modern times, it's more of a red flag if you're going to therapy before you're married. What do you think?

[Ben Mandelker]

I think it's good. I actually think it's really probably important.

[Ronnie Caram]

Right.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I think it's. It's more of a red flag if you need to go to counseling before you get married. I think it's probably good if you're just doing it just to be preventative. But if it's like, oh, wow, like, we fight every single weekend, we should probably go to counseling. So that way we can justify getting married. That, I think is more of our red flag.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, I think. But. Yeah, well, I mean, I guess it's good, you know, you go take care of your. If you care about that relationship, it's good to go talk to a therapist. I just can, you know, just starts like, this is how I do it, baby. No, this is how I do it, baby. No, this is how we do it, baby. Gotta come together.

[Ben Mandelker]

I just. I just really. It's like. Well, you know, Dom and I have been going through some really tough times, and we're pushing through it, though, guys. And I think with some good counseling where I think we're getting on the other. The other end of it, it's like, oh, who is your counselor? Kathy Dennis. Kathy Dennis. She just keeps singing Too Many Walls over and over again. And finally we're like, too many walls. She's not like, something. I just don't know how I'd be able to, like, tell my. Tell friends with a straight face, like. Like, I'm seeing Montel Jordan, and he may be 100 qualified. I just don't know if I could be like, who is your counselor? Montel Jordan? It's just such a funny concept to me. But then I'm also. I think I'm also, like, a little jealous because also it would be really cool to be like, yeah, guys, I got counsel with Montel Jordan.

[Montel Jordan]

I'll.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'll see you in about 10 minutes.

[Ronnie Caram]

10 minutes? That's short. It's like the length of a pop song.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I'm. I'm 50 minutes into my session and I'm texting people. So it was a full session, guys.

[Ronnie Caram]

So she's talking about how this couple Shares stuff with them. They share stuff with this couple. I don't know about that. I don't want to hear about my therapist life. I want them to hear about my life. I don't want them to share with me unless it's gum. Like, if they have gum in that person, I'm good.

[Ben Mandelker]

I also just, I. I don't know. I'm of the mindset that I, I like a therapist who has done the schooling and like, is up on all the, all the academic principles. And this is just a choice thing because people go to different people for different help. But I don't. I've never been like a fan of like. So here's a couple and they'll tell you how to be a couple. Also, it's like when Heather and Terry debrow did it or wasn't it merit to medicine was happening. Well, they do it every week, every season with a couple strip. But for a while they had like a couples. They had like a couple's moment, right, where they would all like, share with each other. Like how like check ins. I mean, support group is one thing, but I don't know, I just want someone who's. Who, like under. Like, I just don't. I don't know if I want to just sit with a, with a, with a couple that are like, well, here's what works for us. Because I'm like, I don't know if it's really working for you guys. You're just saying that so that way you can like, you know, be hired and then your marriage is going to fall apart next, right?

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. Yeah. I had a friend who became a life coach. She had just stopped doing coke. She had just gotten a divorce and she was unemployed. And I was like, like, I, I support your goals, but I think you might, you might need more practice first.

[Montel Jordan]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

You're not life coaching me.

[Phaedra Parks]

Are you crazy?

[Ronnie Caram]

If you want $20, just ask for $20. Good God.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

So now they're talking about what they're going through. Pinky saying she brought her company back earlier this or she bought her company back earlier this year. It was the hardest thing she ever had to do. And she felt like her husband wasn't there for her. And he's like, well, you know, I was just coming from a place of like, I get it and we've got this no matter what. And she's like, yeah, but, you know, I met him as an entrepreneur on my own, and you're an entrepreneur. And so I had my own inner aspirations. That I want to succeed, but, you know, now I have to file for bankruptcy, and Derek wants to bail me out. And I don't want to be bailed out by Derek, because I want to prove that I can do it. It just like he can do it, basically.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then Kristen's like, but that's pride. I love you. He's like, I know. Derek's like, I told her that. And Kristen's like, but that's pride. I think he's like, well, honestly, I'm paying. And that's, like, not even financial. Financially responsible for us to do that. But then it makes me tough because I don't want you to feel like you can't be there for me when I need you the most. And Kristen's like, okay, look, I'm keeping it 100. It's like, if you say it's pride one more time, I swear to God. She goes, no, no, it's not that. But here's the thing. This is temporary. Nobody's gonna keep Pinky down. We know this. You are no longer a solo pilot. So Pinky's like, well, when Derek married me, Derek knew what he was getting himself into. And my decision to not get Derek's help was. Has not changed our dynamic. I'm just really independent, and he just. He doesn't have to financially strain himself to make sure that I'm good. Yeah, I don't know.

[Ronnie Caram]

So she's like, I'll just collect the fan.

[Ben Mandelker]

Collect the fan.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's not worth a clan. It's not worth a fan. Clack. I'm just. If. If they gave me a street sweeper at Jellicoe ball, I would streep the sweet. Be like, enough. I would strip this. Sweep the street, rather, and just be like, enough. Okay, enough.

[Ben Mandelker]

I like stripping it. You just do a mouth.

[Ronnie Caram]

Streeping the sweet street street. Sweep the street.

[Ben Mandelker]

Although I did.

[Ronnie Caram]

Sorry.

[Ben Mandelker]

I did actually like what Montel said here, Believe it or not, for all my shade about a celebrity. Celebrity counselor. But he says it's the marriage that makes your business even better. It's not the business that makes your marriage better. I thought that was a nice little. Nice little chestnut there. It was a good one.

[Phaedra Parks]

It's good.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, it's sort of true. Although, I mean, the business will make the marriage better, too. Let's be honest.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, the business can make the marriage a lot worse.

[Ben Mandelker]

Everything.

[Ronnie Caram]

You know, not to be negative, but, you know, you bail it out, and then you still keep making the same boneheaded decisions that you were Making. And then you waste the good money that went after the bat. I mean, it could. This could go bad. You know what I mean? And I get her. I get her instinct to not mix this in with marriage, but what do I know? Nothing.

[Ben Mandelker]

I guess what Montel is saying, when he says it's the marriage that makes your business even better, what he's really saying is, thank God you've got this guy who made a fortune off of meat to make your vegan business better.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, exactly. At the end of the day, dead animals are going to come in and save this vegan business.

[Ben Mandelker]

So it's kind of what he's saying there. So anyway, it's Pinky's base. Like, I tried to be a better wife to my husband because we did not grow up with a lot of these examples. I never thought I'd experience love like this. I. I mean, I was like, she was this close to singing Dionne Warwick when she said, I never thought I'd experience a love like this.

[Ronnie Caram]

Now, Bear is a therapist.

[Phaedra Parks]

That.

[Ben Mandelker]

That was. I would. I would. I would approve that one.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, there is a therapist. I mean, took on Lisa Rinna single handedly in. In Celebrity Apprentice.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hell, yes.

[Ronnie Caram]

So that's what's before.

[Ben Mandelker]

That'll be $5,000.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yes. They have this therapy section. And then Pinky's like, well, wait a minute. I have a question, Montel. Do you have a man cave? And he's like, yes. And she's like, oh, I'm so tired of his doggone man cave. I'm not even gonna lie to you. Listen, this man has given you $5 million. You better be glad he has a man cave. Okay, that man better be able to keep his bank. He's earned the man cave, for Christ's sake.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like he has a man cave, but you've got a money pit. So go to the cave, which is more comfortable. I know. Okay, back to Portia's house. And Phaedra is there. And Phaedra's like, wow. She's like, girl, you shook up the Internet. You were talking passion and punani.

[Pinky]

She's like, yeah, hot dogs and tacos.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Pedro's like, why are you all trying to make Frick extra gay? Now she's running the flag right through Midtown.

[Ronnie Caram]

She's like, well, listen, it's Atlanta. Everybody likes surf and turf here.

[Phaedra Parks]

Person's like, not surfing turf. Even though they both agreed to be dating me, and they know about each other, it's still awkward for them in their world.

[Ronnie Caram]

And she's like, yeah, selfishly, I didn't think about their reaction going public that I'm not only dating them.

[Phaedra Parks]

Classic Portia.

[Pinky]

Whoops.

[Ben Mandelker]

So now they show up at Drew's house because Drew's gonna have, like, a little brunch. And Phaedra's like, well, I know this is Drew's house. We know that Ralph lives in the basement. Kind of makes me wonder if Pinky has a sister wife in the basement. We saw a flashback to that moment when Pinky was fighting with Angela and Cynthia and Angela there, too. And Angela's saying, it's hard because they're coming up on the one year anniversary of her mom's passing. So it's a lot about that, this episode for her, which is very sad. So they are. Cynthia brings up the gay stuff with Portia, etc. And Phaedra's. Phaedra's saying that, like, okay, Michelle's coming over. You got. And Andrew thinks everyone's like, oh, really? And Drew's like, no. And then Phaedra's like, I'm kidding. Don't you worry. Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

So they start talking about the national anthem event last week.

[Phaedra Parks]

And Portia's like, yeah, Drew's hanging the national anthem. And she killed it. And when I got there, she was trying to preserve her voice.

[Ronnie Caram]

And Drew's like, they were trying to take my voice, guys.

[Phaedra Parks]

They were trying to take it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Cynthia's like, who? She's like, they were trying to take my voice away. Basically, Binky called me to tell me about this project she's doing she wanted me to be a part of. It's a series. Oh, now it's a series. It got up to series level.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, it was a series last time, remember? Because we're talking about the budget. We're like, $40,000.

[Ben Mandelker]

I thought that was a pilot. Wow.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. Portia's like, well, she's doing a series about her life. And Drew says Nori Naughton's playing her. And they're like, oh, my God.

[Phaedra Parks]

Love Natori. Love Natori.

[Ronnie Caram]

I don't know why I called her Nori Natori. And Phaedra's like, yeah, she's my twin. Everyone says I look like her. Like, really?

[Phaedra Parks]

Por is like, yeah, you could have played little. You could have played Lil Kim.

[Ronnie Caram]

And Cynthia's like, wait a minute. This Phaedra 2026 Phaedra or back in the day Phaedra, because, yeah, I don't see that with this wig.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Angela's like, notorious is playing Pinky. She goes, notorious Must need to check, because she knows good and damn well she doesn't look like Pinky. The only person I can see as Pinky is Mr. Clean. So they cheers. And Phaedra's asking if. If. If the. The event was ruined because of this situation. Andre says, no, I mean, just was weird. And Shamia wants to talk about Porsche.

[Phaedra Parks]

Por's like me.

[Pinky]

And.

[Ben Mandelker]

And so we see a clip. We see a flashback to that of Shamia saying, I feel like I don't even know what the real beef is. I feel like I don't know. And Drew saying to Shamia, I have never done anything to Shamia. And she knows it. It was a little smoke, and it got caught astray because I was beefing with her friend.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. So then Porsche's like, well, I. I

[Phaedra Parks]

mean, I've been so pleasant and kind, and everybody laughs.

[Ronnie Caram]

Pedro's like, portia, you are the problem.

[Phaedra Parks]

I'm the drama.

[Ronnie Caram]

Okay, well, we're gonna get to that because I have something else to drop. Dun, dun, dun. And Cynthia's like, well, when Shamia was at Lake Bailey, she brought up something about you and her having some text exchange. And porch is like, you know, I'm

[Phaedra Parks]

not going to defend a text message that was in private. It. When I'm around her, just like at your event. It was pleasurable. We're having fun. So that's all I need.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm sorry. I feel again, I feel like this is like a real issue between real friends, and I think that this should not be just like something that's hidden behind closed doors. I really don't. If they're both will. They both are on the show, they want to be on the show, and their relationship has been exacerbated by the show, but then they're going to talk about it behind closed doors. Like, this is. Put it in the open. Give us something real to sink our teeth into. Because I think we as viewers really appreciate when there's real issues amongst. In a friendship, you know? So I hate that they're just like, I'm not. I'm not gonna talk about it. That was in private. No, no.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. So Drew moves on. She's like, well, it was a great time, right?

[Phaedra Parks]

And at the end, K. Michelle came, and Shamiya was like, come meet us to go eat. So I go and I see K. Michelle and shimmy at a table. And I was like, back and forth. And Kate was just like, I don't like her. And then she got up and she left.

[Ronnie Caram]

And K. Michelle didn't really Say that. I mean, she acted like that, but she just got up and left. And Drew's like, she left her Chanel

[Phaedra Parks]

sitting in the chair. And Shamia said, you know what? I'm done too.

[Ronnie Caram]

And they're like, oh, my God, they left. Left you by yourself at lunch.

[Phaedra Parks]

She's like, girl, I was sitting there with my lemon drop. And they laughed. I'm never gonna do that again.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then a rainbow cake comes to the table from the staff. And then they're like, what is this rainbow like, it's an honor of you, Portia.

[Pinky]

She's like, stop it.

[Ronnie Caram]

So I'll have one half of this

[Phaedra Parks]

rainbow cake, and you can take the other half, Drew.

[Ronnie Caram]

So they all start screaming and laughing.

[Ben Mandelker]

Porsche asked the big question, which is,

[Pinky]

is Ralph in the basement today?

[Ben Mandelker]

And just like, oh, yeah, he's right down there. And Porsche starts slamming her chair, like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Tell her off to come speak to us.

[Ronnie Caram]

Phaedra's like, let's do a Morse code. So funny. Okay, so then we go to the skate party. There's a big Dave's cheesesteaks truck and

[Ben Mandelker]

the slutty vegan truck there, too. Oh, man, this. This does sort of feel like a 90s Rom com. It's like, he makes beef, she makes vegan food, and together they fell in love.

[Ronnie Caram]

So it does also feel like when a Republican and a Democrat get married and then they go vote together just to cancel each other's vote out, that

[Ben Mandelker]

it's like George Carville and Mary Matlin, you know?

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

God, those were the days. So Pinky tells us. She's like, I'm proud of us. We never really got to get the opportunity to let. Let our hair down. So we want to use this. This opportunity to come together without thinking about bills, without thinking about business, and it really should have some fun. I mean, I was just waiting for Angela to say something about Pinky letting her hair down. Mr. Clean. So then Derek is. He's in a wig and everything. And then they're just. It's gonna. They're gonna have a fun.

[Ronnie Caram]

This is extremely boring. So we're gonna fast forward through, guys.

[Ben Mandelker]

This episode was tough. I'm not gonna lie. In case you couldn't tell, I'm loving this season. This episode was a tough one.

[Ronnie Caram]

This episode sucked. But, yeah, we're gonna fast forward through most of this. They brought, like, a guy for Drew to date who she ignores the whole time, and I don't really care, because that's weird. And then they start talking about Dennis a little bit. And now we go to Portia, and Dennis just walks right in.

[Ben Mandelker]

And I love that we just roller skated right through this whole skating scene.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, I can't. You know what? My patience is done. I. Five minutes through this, I was like, why? Why are you doing this to me? So it's over. So then we go to Portia's.

[Phaedra Parks]

It's over.

[Ronnie Caram]

And Dennis walks right in, and he's got a red box, and he's like, oh, you've got pink hair. I know what that means.

[Ben Mandelker]

And I don't.

[Pinky]

She says, even though Dennis can be Dennis the Menace, I love him and he's a really good father, and I really couldn't ask for anything else other than that, even though we're not even together, so.

[Ben Mandelker]

By the way, I want to say one thing that was nice in the roller skating scene was that we have a flashback that everyone brought Angela flowers and nice gifts because the. The one year anniversary, the death of her mom. So it was a very nice moment for Angela.

[Phaedra Parks]

Okay?

[Ben Mandelker]

So Dennis comes in and they sit down, and she's like, why are you acting so chill? Like, what's going on with you? And he's like, I saw the blog in Brooklyn.

[Pinky]

And she's like, oh, yeah, called you're gone.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like, you don't. You don't think you need to slow it down?

[Pinky]

She's like, slow what down? What am I doing?

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, when you're dating, you don't got to tell everyone what's going on. And she's like, okay, Dennis, whatever. Please, you're not the one to talk about.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. He's like, you're confusing my daughter.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, really?

[Phaedra Parks]

She's like, first of all, no one's met Pilar. I'm just enjoying being single. And you had your opportunity. Do you remember?

[Ronnie Caram]

He's like, sure. And we see a flashback of them talking about the ring situation. And Portia's like, and when you did

[Phaedra Parks]

not bring it in December, I met someone, and boom, I got in a marriage. And you were like, oh, it's so fast. Well, this is too much. You're doing too much.

[Ronnie Caram]

And he goes, yeah, but look, you're already divorced from the guy. She goes, oh, please.

[Phaedra Parks]

Things with you went too fast, and here we are.

[Ronnie Caram]

I was like, yeah, but I mean, he does kind of have a point. But she also has a point. She's like, I moved too fast with you. Now we have a family. Shut the fuck up.

[Kat and Nat]

Crap.

[Ronnie Caram]

That's how it moves.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'll tell you who's moving fast? Is Dennis becoming friends with everyone in Portia's life? How about that? So he's like, this is very painful for me, you know, from the day we met. I, I was very intentional from the beginning. Were you? Dennis, come on.

[Ronnie Caram]

Didn't you, like,

[Pinky]

I gave you a baby? I said, let's go look at a ring.

[Ben Mandelker]

And he's like. It's like, yeah, and I appreciate that. I went, I got it done. Which brings me to my next point. So he pulls out a red box. He's like. And basically the ring. He's brought her ring back that she got for him.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. And so he's like, I brought the ring back today.

[Phaedra Parks]

She's like, what is this supposed to mean?

[Ronnie Caram]

He says, well, I waited around to see if we can maybe, you know, use it, but I guess I can't do anything with it now.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, it's a weird thing. Like, if you're not using the ring anymore, you do something with it. Don't give it back to Portia. This was just him being a dick. Dick. Because he's always a dick whenever she. Something is going well in her life and she's happy and she's, she's liking her romantic options, even if one of them is fake. So he's gotta insert himself and hurt her in whatever way he can.

[Ronnie Caram]

Wait, why are you saying she bought him the ring? She bought the ring?

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I, I, maybe she didn't buy the ring, but it was like, I assume that she bought. I don't remember who bought the ring, but it's definitely, like, it was his wedding ring. Right? Isn't that what he's giving back?

[Ronnie Caram]

Because they were gonna get married, so. Right.

[Ben Mandelker]

Isn't that his ring? Was it supposed to be his ring?

[Ronnie Caram]

I don't know. I don't, I don't know. I didn't get it.

[Ben Mandelker]

The point is, it's a piece of jewelry that means a lot, and someone bought it. And you know what? We are, we are. We are kind podcasters where we're not gonna count. We're not gonna count people's money. So whoever bought it, they bought it.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's not sure he wants to discuss. I think he bought it was the ring he bought her for the wedding, but then they didn't have the wedding, so he still has the ring.

[Phaedra Parks]

Right? Right.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, it's her way. It's her ring.

[Ronnie Caram]

I mean, that's how I was taking it. So she's like, well, I didn't think he was going to keep. Give this back to me. So she throws the box back at him.

[Phaedra Parks]

It's like, you're doing too much.

[Ronnie Caram]

And she's like, why are you crying?

[Phaedra Parks]

She's like, I'm not. I don't cry. How dare you bring that ring over here? Like, that's like I'm being all the way for real.

[Ronnie Caram]

He's like, okay, well, there's no point in me hanging around.

[Phaedra Parks]

She's like, but you are. And even if you don't hang around, that's fine, but you gave it to me twice, wife. In his engagement that you broke. And you're the drama. Not the drama, the drama.

[Ronnie Caram]

So he just brings this ring into play, like, remember what we had? You were the one who it up, Dennis. So she says that in a perfect world, she'd be with Dennis, but she doesn't want to introduce her daughter to a toxic household. And she's like, and you're not going

[Phaedra Parks]

to come over here and casually cross your tight pants and hand me that ring with your ankle hugged fingers.

[Ben Mandelker]

But like,

[Phaedra Parks]

it.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's either giving the. So the ring that he had initially bought for her, that since they didn't get married, he's still holding on to it, but now he's giving it to her anyway. That doesn't make sense to me.

[Ronnie Caram]

But then also I think he's being like, if he's. Okay, well, I guess we're never. I guess if you're dating two people, we're never gonna get back together. So I guess you're saying now that it's really over. So here's the ring.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I'm just saying I. I believe that that is the case of what he's doing. I'm just saying, like, why would you do that? Why would. Like, it doesn't make any sense why you would really do that. And also, like. And if it's. Also, if it's his ring, it also doesn't make sense. The point is that Dennis drives me nuts, and I just never trust any of his gestures that he makes because I feel like there's always an ulterior motive.

[Ronnie Caram]

There is always very obvious. He's. He's coming on here to look like a victim, and, like, Portia's hurting his feelings. And all he was trying to do was get this relationship back, and he's. And all this work to get the relationship back, and he's just been saving the ring for when she's ready. But apparently she doesn't even care about their daughter because she's gonna go on with two different people now. Like, he's trying to be a big victim because he's worked his way into this show to shoot with all of these people. And he knows he can have multiple scenes with Shamia or Shamiya's husband or any of the other people that he's wormed his way into, and then he can have a victim scene about it and continue his Bravo aspect.

[Phaedra Parks]

Ass.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Well, he says, we clearly need to go to therapy because you're obviously not understanding what's going on. And I have just booked a session with Ashford and Simpson, so get ready.

[Pinky]

She goes, no, no, we're not going to. It isn't. Didn't one of them die anyway? Whatever. There's no co Parent therapy.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's like, but for. So she says, for the sake of p. She'll be damned if I literally bring her dad in the house for her to see us together as a family and then break up.

[Ronnie Caram]

Up. He's like, but what do I tell Dr. Millie?

[Phaedra Parks]

What do I tell Dr. Vanilli?

[Ben Mandelker]

So she's like, tell them to learn the words.

[Phaedra Parks]

Get this ring out of my house.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, okay. It's fine. But I think the Indigo Girls will be very upset that they can't help us.

[Ronnie Caram]

The Indigo Girls, wow.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's just like they told us to go to the doctor.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. So that's pretty much it. She's like, whatever with Dennis. I'm always thinking about Dennis's mental health. I wish he would think about mine.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, no, he's. He's not thinking about her mental health. He's just thinking about ways that he could look better on TV and stay on TV and, you know, whatever. And there's part of me that actually thinks this entire scene was concocted by the two of them anyway. I just feel like every time they are on screen together, they start talking like community theater. It doesn't feel like it's authentic. It feels like they arranged to have a scene. And I just. I'm like, I was already checked out of the scene the moment it started. I hate to say. So she slams the door. He leaves. She slams the door. And then she's going to the producers,

[Pinky]

and she's like, did you know he had a ring? Did you know?

[Ronnie Caram]

Ah.

[Pinky]

And she says, dennis has crappy timing. I'm coming out of a divorce. I'm trying to rebuild. My art is very soft right now, and here you come bringing up old feelings. And. And I'm always thinking about Dennis's mental health, and I just wish he would do the same for me.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then she cries.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. All right, well, you know, here's hoping for better.

[Ben Mandelker]

Next week it'll be. Yeah, next week will be better. You know, every now and then you just got to throw in a. They've just, they've got to. They got to meet their episode order. They gotta just throw in some junk in there and get through to the next. Yeah, next good episode. Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

All right, well, next up we have Real Housewives of Rhode Island. We will talk to you guys later. Bye.

[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Caram]

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[Kat and Nat]

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