#3416 Summer House S10E20 Part Two: The Aftermath Ain’t Mathin’

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Episode #3416 – Summer House S10E20 Part Two: The Aftermath Ain’t Mathin’
Date: June 17, 2026
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam

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OVERVIEW

This episode continues the deep dive into the Season 10, Episode 20 fallout of Summer House, focusing on the tangled web of relationships between Kyle, Amanda, West, Sierra, and Miha. Ben and Ronnie dissect the episode’s major confrontations—including an uncomfortable sit-down between Kyle and West, the murky aftermath for Amanda, and a revealing (and suspicious) chat between Sierra and Miha. Their signature blend of keen observation, Bravo-reality history, and snarky humor is on full display as they question motives, point out inconsistencies, and deliver memorable, laugh-out-loud commentary.

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KEY DISCUSSION POINTS & INSIGHTS

1. Kyle and West’s Awkward Confrontation

• Setting: Seven days after the reunion, at Kyle’s apartment.
• The Vibe: Immediately awkward, with West feigning unfamiliarity with the dog who clearly adores him.
  • Ronnie (02:30): “Oh my God, west, girl, I love you. I love you so much. Oh, my God, I love you…”
• Kyle’s Stance: Struggles between being “Amanda’s dad” and a friend trying to have a serious talk after West’s betrayal.
  • Brandy/Ben (04:04): “Kyle’s...just gonna be Amanda’s dad. You better have good intentions for my daughter, sir.”
• West’s Tactics: Offers a rambling, overly rehearsed apology reminiscent of reality-TV-standard “sorry” routines.
  • Ronnie (06:26): “It’s like a Ramona apology from New York...”
  • Brandy (07:01): Praises Ramona’s strategic apologies; contrasts West’s less effective effort.
• Underlying Observation: Kyle’s too forgiving, identifying with guys who “always need forgiveness.” The hosts wish for someone with more backbone (maybe Carl or a “baby Lindsay”) to really grill West.

2. West Defends Himself & Fails Spectacularly

• West’s Rationalization: Claims he’s sorry but insists much of the drama didn’t fully hit until after the reunion. He minimizes his fault, listing the people he “lied” to, but skates past real accountability for Amanda’s sake.
  • Ronnie (10:21): “His big thing, like, of all this friendship is like, remember when we play basketball in the pool? Can't believe I would fuck somebody over that, like slam dunked.”
• Kyle’s Concern: Less about himself, more about Amanda, and how West’s actions made her look foolish.
  • Ronnie (25:20): “Think about. You made Amanda look stupid...you are dating Amanda, meanwhile you’re dating someone else.”

3. Discussion of Amanda and West’s Relationship

• Ben and Ronnie’s Insight: They believe Amanda and West have seen—and accepted—the “worst” of each other, which is now the sick foundation of their relationship.
  • Ronnie (28:27): “They’ve shown each other the worst part, and now they're, like, bonded by seeing each other's worst parts and accepting it. So it's sick. But I think they do know who each other is...”
• On Love and Semantics: West dodges directly saying he’s “in love” with Amanda, offering circular answers and cringeworthy word games.
  • Brandy (30:43): “He’s just so preoccupied with what we are all thinking and saying that he’s trying to give an answer that will mollify all of us. And it’s doing the exact opposite.”

4. Miha’s First Real On-Camera Moment (With Sierra)

• The Scene: Sierra invites Miha over for mimosas and tea on May 27.
• Miha’s Narrative: She claims to be shocked and hurt but admits to a six-hour marathon call with West after the reunion—raising red flags for the hosts.
  • Ronnie (38:13): “I was not really suspect until she's like... I still care about him. I was like, oh, God...”
• Secret Relationship Dynamics: Miha reveals that being West’s “secret” girlfriend was “kind of hot,” which the hosts note is another red flag, showing complicity in the ongoing drama.
  • Ronnie (38:25): "You're also kind of a villain in this, you know?... If you watch this show and you see him leading somebody on for two years in a row, and you're like, okay, I'll be your secret girlfriend."
• Skeptical Analysis: The hosts remain wary of Miha’s motives, suggesting she may not be as innocent as portrayed.
  • Brandy (45:28): “I believe everything she’s saying, but I don’t believe her motives, if that makes sense...”

5. General Reflections on Manipulation and Victimhood

• Recap of West’s Manipulations: Both Amanda and Miha are painted as victims, but the hosts note that “there’s no perfect victim.” Blame is shared when people knowingly participate in the drama.
  • Brandy (53:05): “She can still be a victim to Wes while still, like, having flaws... But sometimes I need the messenger to not make too many stops.”

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NOTABLE QUOTES & MEMORABLE MOMENTS BY TIMESTAMP

• On West’s Apology Style:
  • Ronnie (06:26): “It’s like a Ramona apology from New York... I've had time to decompress, and you know what? I'm sorry. Here’s everything I did wrong by the letter. And I just want you to know you’re my family, okay?”
• On the dog knowing West:
  • Ronnie (02:30): “The dog knows you. He's like, barely know the dog, Wes. Just, like, trying to not pet the dog. Dog's like, come on. You love pinning my stomach like you always do.”
• Ronnie’s Savage Summary of West’s Excuses:
  • Ronnie (16:57): “A guy on trial for murder. Like, do you know how many people I didn’t kill? I wanted to kill people every day of my life. So I killed one person. Big deal.”
• Brandy’s Doubt about Miha:
  • Brandy (45:28): “I believe everything she’s saying, but I don’t believe her motives, if that makes sense.”
• On Amanda & West’s Relationship:
  • Ronnie (28:27): "They've shown each other the worst part, and now they're, like, bonded by seeing each other's worst parts and accepting it. So it's sick."
• On Love and Semantics:
  • Brandy (31:28): “He’s just so preoccupied with what we are all thinking and saying that he’s trying to give an answer that will mollify all of us. And it's doing the exact opposite.”
• On Secret Girlfriend “Hotness”:
  • Ronnie (38:25): “You're also kind of a villain in this, you know?... If you watch this show and you see him leading somebody on for two years in a row, and you're like, okay, I'll be your secret girlfriend.”

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TIMESTAMPED BREAKDOWN / SEGMENT GUIDE

• [02:18-16:57]: Kyle and West’s dog-laden, cringey confrontation—apologies, blame, and product placement galore.
• [25:09-30:43]: Kyle’s “dad mode” and the slippery semantics of West and Amanda’s relationship.
• [36:49-46:45]: Sierra and Miha’s kitchen sit-down—the “six-hour call” revelation and skepticism about Miha’s motives.
• [47:09-50:36]: Hosts debate whether Miha is really a victim or a background schemer; discuss the psychology behind all parties’ choices.
• [55:16-56:10]: Lighthearted conclusion as Sierra and Miha toast to resilience, while the show teases the next Summer House installment.

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FINAL THOUGHTS

Ben and Ronnie close out the episode by musing on the cyclical, addictive drama of Summer House, expressing wariness about newly-minted “victims” like Miha, and poking fun at the inevitability of another season of chaos (“…the new season of Summer House is about to start, so…” [56:54]).

Their running joke throughout the recap about “yeah, no. No, yeah. Yeah, no,” perfectly encapsulates the maddeningly evasive communication style of the cast—especially West.

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In sum:

This episode is a must-listen for Bravo fans who love sharp analysis and biting commentary. It offers not just a breakdown of the “aftermath” but also a meta-examination of what makes these relationships (and the storytelling around them) so compulsively watchable.

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Summary prepared by Watch What Crappens Unofficial Recaps
(For complete context, all timestamps refer to the original episode audio.)

Transcript

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[Brandy]

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[Brandy]

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[Ronnie]

Well, hello and welcome to Watch what Croppens. This is part two of a two part recap. If you're like, hey, wait a minute, I didn't hear part one, guys, it's because we put out a lot of recaps. Go back and listen to part one. Okay, it's before this one. Bye. Enjoy the show.

[Brandy]

So now it's seven days later and we go to Kyle's apartment and here comes West. And Kyle is like, have you ever been here before? And was like, no. He's like, never here. It's my first time. Meanwhile, the dog comes running up to West.

[Ronnie]

It's like, oh my God, west, girl, I love You. I love you so much. Oh, my God, I love you. It's like going around on the floor.

[Brandy]

Let me take you to your favorite spot on the couch. That was great.

[Ronnie]

I was like, clearly the dog knows you. He's like, barely know the dog, Wes. Just, like, trying to not pet the dog. Dogs, like, come on. You let me. You love. Remember how you love pinning my stomach like you always do. It's like, oh, I do not know this dog.

[Brandy]

Well, listen, this is awkward. It's almost a feeling I can't describe. Am I supposed to be supportive here? Am I supposed to punch you in the face and ask, how could you? Like, I don't know. All I really needed to do was just put on a lover boy shirt because there's never a bad time to promote it. So.

[Ronnie]

Hey, listen, no matter what happens, Lover boy is more fucked than this marriage. I'm going to promote it during this scene and the entire hour that follows this show. Oh, my God. I'm so, so sick of lover boy. Just shoot it in the head already. I'm sick of it. The whole next episode is full of lover boy. I'm tired of it. Let it go, Kyle. Okay? Treat it like your marriage and just let it swim away, please.

[Brandy]

Kyle's like, you know, I want you to know I don't have a game plan, sort of like with lover boy itself. And I know you texted me weeks ago saying you wanted to chat, and I don't think. I don't want you to think that, like, there's gonna be, like, gotcha moments, because I'm not Lindsay. I'm just. I don't know how to do it.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, right. I've already played my. I've already played my MIHA card.

[Brandy]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

[Ronnie]

So Kyle's like, I really don't know which. This is a weird position to be in, you know, but it's also like, you don't need to just be Amanda's dad now, because I think that that's the. The position he's chosen. He's like, well, I don't know what to say. So I'm just gonna be Amanda's dad. You better have good intentions for my daughter, sir. And it.

[Brandy]

Weird.

[Ronnie]

I don't. It's a weird. It's a weird. It's a weird stance to take.

[Brandy]

Yeah. Yeah. I feel like I would have liked. I would have liked someone there just a little harsher on west than Kyle. I mean, Kyle tried his best, but I wanted someone who could, like, crack the whip a little bit more. I Don't know who that would have been. I don't know if there's anyone on the cast, aside from Lindsay, who really qualified to do that. Bailey might have been able to, like, a little baby Lindsay. Like, Bailey could have done some new,

[Ronnie]

I think, but, you know, she.

[Brandy]

Danielle, bring in Paige.

[Ronnie]

Paige. Paige would blame it all on Lindsay somehow. Paige would find a way for it all to be Lindsay's fault. But Kyle, Yeah, Kyle's not the right one, because Kyle, whether or not he was married to Amanda, it's the fact that Kyle is a guy who always needs forgiveness, and he's always going to understand. A douchebag guy. He's always going to be able to say, like, I get where you're coming from. Can't really blame you. I mean, she's hot, right? Go for it.

[Brandy]

Yeah, this is really hot. It's a little surprising that maybe they didn't bring in Carl. Like, could have been like, west meeting with the elders of the show. Like, here are the guys. I mean, they kind of say, like, you know, Lindsay, Kyle, and. Well, I guess Lindsay went on to Carl's podcast and was like, without even saying anything when this all happened, like, the three of us, I came together because we're like, I don't remember Dana. And so, like, you kind of would think there may have been a world where. Where they have Carl there, because Carl was pretty chippy at the reunion, and I think he might have brought some of that energy to maybe ask some of the questions that Kyle wasn't thinking of in the moment. I don't know. But either way, we see a text from west asking to talk with Kyle, and it's as long and meandering as you can imagine. It's like a whole block. Well, I'm sorry. Oh, we didn't do this. And, like, I'm sorry for compromising family.

[Ronnie]

It means a lot.

[Brandy]

And, like, I don't know, I just feel like we could, like, hang out and, like, it's just like. I don't know. I'm like, sorry, but, like, it might take a bit, but, like, our friendship is important, and it's like. It's like, it's common ground is, like, really important for me to find. Like, and it goes on like that

[Ronnie]

for, like, an hour, and it is really just so typical. You know, we've said it about so many Bravo men. It doesn't even matter because you're so practiced. It's like a Ramona apology from New York. You know, it's like, whoa, you know what very Sorry. Want to apologize. You know, we've. I've had time to decompress, and you know what? I'm sorry. Here's everything I did wrong by the letter. And I just want you to know you're my family, okay? And even though you look 20 years older than me, you're kind of my baby. Okay? That's it.

[Brandy]

I mean, I'm gonna give Ramona credit when she does her canned apology. She's remarkably effective with it. She gets taken back time and time again by her castmates, audience, lots of people. People like, oh, well, it's just Ramona. She's like, you know what? I just.

[Ronnie]

I get.

[Brandy]

I see things and I feel bad, and I'm. I'm sorry. I'm sorry that I did that to you. You know, like, I don't like breaking your heart. Okay, Bethany, I'm sorry. And she, like, will rub. Like, rub your face, whatever. Wes can't even do a Ramon apology. He just.

[Ronnie]

He does so. He does. I think he does a very good Ramon apology. He apologizes for every little thing. Specifically, you know, he's a very good apologizer. He's practiced at it a lot. So it's a great apology. And even Kyle's like, okay, well, that was great. Glad you came over. It's like, what are you going to do? He knows how to disarm people because he's a manipulator. You know, I did like that he. And he ended the text with, love you, dog, when he was probably literally talking to the dog. The dog is like, oh, my God, I've kept that tag. It's on the fridge. I printed it out. It is on the fridge. I love you so much. Why do you smell like a Begum strip? Why? God, I love you.

[Brandy]

Well, personally, I just kind of felt like so much of our life has been public that if we're gonna have a conversation, we might as well film it. Because if a lover boy T shirt falls in the forest and no one's there to watch it, was it even being worn in the first place?

[Ronnie]

The biggest question I have to ask for you are mock turtlenecks. Gay lover boy, lover boy.

[Brandy]

So clearly, Wes wanted this conversation off camera. And Kyle's like, no, we are going to extend this. So Wes is like, yeah, well, I just figured, like, well, this is not going to make it to the final cut, but, like, my time on camera is over, you know? But this probably won't. This probably won't make it. Did. So I guess he's already assuming he's not like he's either gotten word that he's getting fired or he is just sensing it, but he's like, I think when people do a bad job at the reunion, or in my experience, anything I've done following it publicly has just like landed poorly. And so I don't want you to think that I like, waited until the reunion was over and then like, gathered myself. I was like, okay, let's film a scene together kind of thing, you know,

[Ronnie]

and guys like, yeah, yeah. Because like, you know, like processing and then like, you know, like, oh, I don't know. Lint pick, lint pick, lint pick. Staring off into space, like slowing down but like soaking it all, soaking it all in. Like, I don't know, it didn't really happen until like, I don't know, like the last few weeks, maybe the last two weeks or so. Oh, really? You've been with one of your best friends wives and you're just now like, oh, yeah, I guess just, you know, the reunion. Yeah, it's really. It's just really. It really makes you think about stuff, huh?

[Brandy]

Yeah, like post reunion, just like, I just like adrenaline. I mean, like when this all happened, like, everything was like such a disaster, like tornado. And like there's like so many layers. But like the friendship part has been like, really hard to process to like watch it fully implode and like other people you care about, like who I care about, like, it sucks. And like you posted that video of us fucking playing basketball and I'm like, fucking, like, it's hard to know what, like something special. Like a super. Just say you fuck.

[Ronnie]

Oh my God, she so annoying. And I love that his big thing, like, of all this friendship is like, remember when we play basketball in the pool? Can't believe I would fuck somebody over that, like slam dunked. It was crazy. Like, yeah, it sucks. Yeah. And he's like, there was a bond. Like we gelled, you know, Like, I was like, whoa, look, if Wes is lying about this, lying about this, lying about this, like, where does that leave us? Like, I mean, it kind of puts people in an awkward spot, you know? Wow. It's like, yeah, because like, clearly, if I could go back, I would like, clearly do things different, you know? Like, clearly. Would you?

[Brandy]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

What do you.

[Brandy]

You would not know. You're not. It's like I lied to Sierra and I lied to me and I lied to Lindsay and I lied to Jesse. And I mean like more like at the time. By the way, he doesn't even mention kj. What about kj? He's like, I lied to everyone. He's like, mentioning, like, the. The line producer and the craft service person. He's like, but I'm here today to obviously have, like, an honest conversation with you where I won't look at you the entire time. Just gonna stare at that wall. I was like, I appreciate that. You know, look, for me, there's, like, the friendship of all on one side, and then there's, like, Manda and the fact that, like, no matter what, I still care about her, there's still love there, and she owes me a few more designs for some sweatshirts, so let's not forget that. Okay?

[Ronnie]

Yeah. No.

[Brandy]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

No. He and Amanda are both. Yeah. Knowers. That makes me crazy. Yeah. No, no. Yeah. Yeah. No.

[Brandy]

Yeah. No.

[Ronnie]

Do you like the color red?

[Brandy]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

No, no. Yeah.

[Brandy]

Yeah. No.

[Ronnie]

Do you like it or not? What the. Yeah. No, no. Yeah. So he's like, yeah, I know. I get that. Like, but, like, do you want, like, full honesty? Even though it'd be, like, hurtful? Like, do you want that? He's like, yeah, because, like, there's no reason to lie. Okay, but I'll. I'll do it anyway.

[Brandy]

You know what? Instead of honesty, why don't we just do a reading of the Sisters Rose and Swag? How about that? Of course. Of course you want. Hon, you ask that. Do you want honesty?

[Ronnie]

No, I don't want honesty. I want you to sing your best Amy Grant song.

[Brandy]

Well, okay, so Kyle's like, look, like, you know, I. I convinced Amanda not to do the podcast that she literally was about to hop on a play, and I was like, you haven't watched season the season A, you haven't watched the season B. We haven't even seen the reunion. How can you do this? Like, if you speak or truth in a moment, like, what. What are you doing it on? Like, I mean, like, I don't know, like, have you watched, like, the second half of the season? And of course, west is like, no.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, right. I don't believe you. You watched it with your penis in your hand. Like, I don't believe for one second you didn't watch this. Also, what the. Is Amanda thinking she's gonna go on west podcast as, like, her. As her big, you know, tell all crazy. And of course he's going to want that for his ratings, but, like, yikes. And Kyle's like, how dare you try to usurp. Usurp my show by going onto your stupid podcast. Getting Amanda as your guest on the podcast instead of the show. How dare you, sir? And he's like, whoa. But like, like, I mean, I will watch the season. But like, I mean, honestly, like, that kind of leads into like, oh, you guys need to watch it. Oh, no. Yeah, like, no, I agree.

[Brandy]

Yeah, no, no. Yeah, no. Yeah, no. Yeah, yeah, no. Yeah, no. Yeah, no. Yeah, no. Yeah, yeah.

[Ronnie]

He's like picking fleets off him. It's like.

[Brandy]

So I was like, well, if I'm being honest, the amount of things that you did to kind of lure Sierra back in, like, sometimes it's like so blatant on screen and, you know, like, it makes people like me and like, shoot. Like the rest of the audience wonder, like, what are your intentions? Like, their mother is like. It's like really long hugs. Like the sensual touch, touching and everything. And Kyle's like, making me.

[Ronnie]

Etc. Etc. I loved all the flashbacks.

[Brandy]

And it's like, it doesn't take a genius to see that Sierra still has feelings for you. Like, you're a very touchy guy. And then they show all these pictures of like, Wes being touchy. By the way, we didn't mention that during the Amanda segment. There's one point where she's talking about finally being happy. And there are these pictures of her just like, you know, she's like smiling at some of them. And there's like this one video where she's just like staring at the camera like morosely. And then she like lifts her.

[Ronnie]

Her.

[Brandy]

She gets this faintest smile. It's like. It's like, oh, wow, look at that. The euphoria. It's coming off the screen.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. He's like, yeah, Sometimes I watch last Summer and it makes me uncomfortable. Like, without touchy you are with Amanda. Like, yeah, knowing we were like full on married and still trying to make it work. But I mean, the same thing goes for Sierra, you know, I mean, you need to be aware of this. Like, you're just immediately kind of like, inappropriate that touchy. You are like, yeah, he knows. He doesn't give a fuck. He's so touchy that it didn't even strike anybody as weird that he was holding hands with your wife at the dinner table. Like, yeah, even us. Even the audience was like, meh. He's just, that's. That's west.

[Brandy]

It's like, yeah, that's fair. And like, that was a learning lesson. And after summer ended, we did kiss twice. And I think he's talking about Sierra in this case. He goes, and I believe we went to a giants game separately. And then she asked For a ride. To ride the bus home. And then, like, she asked me for my address and, like, I didn't give it to her. Like, and her birthday, I went and I wanted to be a good friend and then went out after, but then I was like, no, I'm going home. And, like, I know I have, like, up. And like, I've not been perfect, but I think, like, you know, I. I was trying to do the right thing a handful of times. Handful of times.

[Ronnie]

He's like, I could have. He's like, I could have Sierra so many times, and I didn't. Okay. Is what he's really saying. And he's also adding in there and she's a stalker because then we went to, you know, then we. She asked to ride the bus home, and then she asked me for my address, and I didn't give it to her. Really? What is that suggesting? Like, Sierra asked me for my address and I said no. What are you implying? That's so weird.

[Brandy]

Yeah, it's just. But I just also love him trying to get, like, all the credit in the world for doing what he calls the right thing a handful of times. It's like, he didn't go out one night being like, hey, I. I stopped a handful of criminals, so I think I'm pretty good police officer. I was like, what?

[Ronnie]

Or, yeah, a guy on trial for murder. Like, do you know how many people I didn't kill? I wanted to kill people every day of my life. So I killed one person. Big deal.

[Brandy]

Okay, better example. Seriously, it's like, I have. Look, I have not crashed a handful of planes, so. Yeah, exactly.

[Ronnie]

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[Brandy]

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[Ronnie]

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[Brandy]

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[Ronnie]

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[Brandy]

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[Ronnie]

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[Brandy]

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[Ronnie]

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[Brandy]

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[Ronnie]

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[Brandy]

So is that not totally or is that, yeah, totally confused? You give me maybe a handful of references. Okay, all right, let's start with the big obvious thing, if you don't mind.

[Ronnie]

Okay, yeah, no.

[Brandy]

How good is lover boy? Let's get the most obvious question out of the way. It's so good, right? So good. Yeah, yeah.

[Ronnie]

All right. Me, like, I got me. I made tons of mistakes in my relationships, but I've never just full blown out a freaking secret girlfriend. I mean, my God, man. Make out with a stranger at a bar like everybody else.

[Brandy]

Like, I didn't even know you could do that. If I had known all this time, I mean, that would have been pretty awesome. So then was like, yeah, well, that's crazy to me. Yeah, right? Yeah. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay, well, you're not, you know. You know, I don't think you're seeing that. I'm trying to get you to say, I shouldn't have done that. I should have told my friends I had a girlfriend.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, no, yeah, no, get it. I get it. I totally get it. Okay, well with me, I wasn't open ended with her because like, that's the part I don't get. He's like, no, like she was 100% operating is like if we had like a full blown relationship, but like, like exclusive, you know, but like I wasn't and that's unfair and that's like fucking shitty. And I definitely let her on and like, I do and did care about her, but it was very much like a relationship that wasn't a relationship. And I shouldn't have like been pretending it wasn't a relationship when it was a relationship that it wasn't a relations. You know what I mean? Yeah.

[Brandy]

Well, that's all I wanted you to admit of the reunion. Like you let her to believe that you were in an exclusive relationship. And I've had a lot of exchanges with her, you know, and it's like you wanted to have her your cake and eat it too. And he kind of lied to all of us about your relationship status. By the way, that reminds me, I'm Gonna waste not having some cake on that counter. Yes. Can't wait. Hell, yeah.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. But, like, not, like, leaning all the way in. Like, I have cake and I, like, eat the cake. Because, like, that's what you do when you have cake. Like, if you don't eat cake, it's like wasted cake. But, like, yeah, like, I want you to know that, like, cake is good. And I'm, like, worried for. You know, Like, I. Like, my communication wasn't great. Like, she. Mia. Wanted me to visit her family for Christmas, and I was like, no, that's not where my relationship is. You know, that's like, you're stuffing the turkey of my mom's Thanksgiving. That's where our relationship is.

[Brandy]

Like, it's.

[Ronnie]

You know, maybe it's like, it's easier to be like, no, I don't want to, like, buy your mom a Christmas present than to be like, I'm not dating you. You know, I'm just not dating you.

[Brandy]

He says, I look at ambiguity as communication. That's literally the opposite of communication. Yeah, like.

[Ronnie]

But you know what? Here's what kills me. He communicates it so well. And that's what's crazy about all of this west and Amanda stuff. He doesn't even lie. We're not really. I mean, he does, like, tell little lies, like, about the timeline that they've set up. But ultimately it's like, I mean, yeah, sure, I, like, led the girl on, but, like, I was trying to, like, not lead her on, too. I was just trying to, like, lead her on enough. But, like, when I didn't want to introduce her to my mom, she should have fucking known. I mean, he's just. That is his communication. He's just a fucking lying. You know, he's a manipulative fuck boy, you know?

[Brandy]

Yeah. He really is.

[Ronnie]

It's like, speaking so honest about his lies, I guess, is what's confusing me.

[Brandy]

Yeah. And Kyle's like, I mean, if you want to get to the demand of it all, I mean, I'm worried about her because, you know, as people learn about Miha and how, like, how much, like, you've lied, I think it's gonna make her look even, like, crazier for kind of ruining it all for a relationship that. With a guy that. Who's like that, and you guys are just, like, still figuring it all out. And then, by the way, in the middle of this, the dog is, like, bouncing all over West. It's, like, literally, like, licking his ear

[Ronnie]

and everything will not leave him alone. And then Kyle keeps Taking the dog and, like, putting it in his lap. And the dog's like, but West. I don't want West. And then eventually gets over there, and west is doing his best to just not touch. He's like, giving it a little pet, but he won't look at it or anything. He's like, you don't know me, dude. You don't know me.

[Brandy]

Yeah. And. And Kyle's like. I mean, she hasn't even been single. Like, she could have probably benefited from some time where she just focused on herself. Kyle, suddenly the advocate of Amanda.

[Ronnie]

He is. And that's. That's his thing. I mean, Kyle's not really even sticking up for himself here. He's just like, but what about what you did to Sierra? But what about you. What you did to Mia? What about what you did to Amanda? What? She got it. You know, I like. But, yeah, he's. This is where he's in dad mode. He's like, yeah, yeah. Think about. You made Amanda look stupid. You know, I mean, here you are dating Amanda. Meanwhile, you're dating someone else. How do you think that makes Amanda look?

[Brandy]

What do you.

[Ronnie]

Why is this what you're thinking? I mean, it's nice, I guess, in a way. I guess. I guess I get that you would care for somebody that you've been with for so long, but. Oh, my God, I would just rather see you, like, tell west off for yourself, I guess. Be like, what friend are you?

[Brandy]

Yeah, I. I just want someone to directly ask him. Why should anyone believe that you are going to be committed to Amanda when your entire storyline since you've been on Summer House is how you actually can't commit. Your entire first season was how you. Every girlfriend you had, it gets a certain point and then you back out of it. We saw you do it with Sierra. We've seen you do it with other people. Why would we believe that this is any different? And just especially because just a few months ago, you said you don't even want to present, like, you could be a boyfriend. So that way you're going to cut it off at the pass. So why would this be different? Why is this night different from any other night? And no one's, like. They're sort of, like, kind of asking it, but I want, like, a direct question like, why should we even believe this? Right.

[Ronnie]

So they do. But west isn't really saying that she's the one or anything. It's not like he's saying, oh, we're going to go get married and have kids. I mean, he's hinted, like, so many different things that it's hard to ever pin down what he's really saying, but they can't. Where west is so good is that he's done this so many times that he knows how not to be pinned down. Like, you can't. You can't say, like, well, how do I know this is real? Because all he'll say is, well, I don't. We're just dating.

[Brandy]

We're trying.

[Ronnie]

We're trying, we're trying. Yeah, give it a chance. And his answer is like, well, yeah, no, like, I agree with you. Like, that, like, this is a conversation that me and Amanda had many times, you know, And I was like, well, maybe like, should we just, like, date or something? And then there's only so many times that I can be told no. Like, the answer is always the same, you know? And like, I mean, it looks bad. I get that. Like, I get it.

[Brandy]

But, like, he's like, I can tell you that, like, my relationship with Amanda, this is like the first time it's ever come from, like, a steady, like, three year friendship where, like, there's like, nothing performative about it. Like, there's no one, like, trying to prove anything. Like, like, I know who she is and she knows who I am. I'm like, does she? And do you? Because she just got out of this relationship. You don't know who Amanda is now as a single, but she doesn't even know who she is. And no one knows who you are, really. And so he's like, I regret so many things. And, like, the one thing I cannot regret, and I'm like, not gonna be like, take. I'm not gonna, like, take back. Is like, my feelings for Amanda, which are, like, pretty, like, I. They're like, developing. They're developing and they're like, they're like, I think I like her. And I'm not going to take that back, you know? You know, just apologize.

[Ronnie]

Just because we've talked about this for so much, I really do think that they do know who each other are. I think they know very well. I mean, he's seen Amanda in a marriage, in a terrible. He's seen Amanda at the worst part of a marriage. He's seen when Amanda has both been treated like shit by Kyle, and he's seen Amanda treat Kyle like shit. It's not like Amanda some little angel in that marriage, you know, even though I'm pretty much on her side as far as the marriage stuff, but he's seen, like, what it's like, when Amanda doesn't like you as a boyfriend or a husband, he's seen that. So he knows what he's in for with Amanda. And he sees how Amanda, like, talks about Kyle to everybody in the group. And, like, so he knows that side of Amanda. And Amanda knows Wes. She's seen all the worst sides of Wes. She knows he's a liar. She knows he's a fuckboy. She knows he's a cheater. She knows he's a manipulator. But I think the reason that they like each other is because they have seen that. It's like, she's like, okay, I've seen all of that. You're still people right in front of my face, and I'll be okay with it. And he's like, okay, well, you've watched me manipulate and lie and do all of this other stuff, and you're still staying with me. It's almost like they've shown each other the worst part, and now they're, like, bonded by the Seeing each other's worst parts and accepting it. So it's sick. But I think they do know who each other is, and that's, like, part of the sexiness is that they both can just go be together. Now it's gonna hurt when it's turned on each other, but guess that's for next season.

[Brandy]

Well, big question. You love her, and Wes is like, I mean, yeah, I mean, well, I mean, fucking. If I said I love you that night. I mean, I said I love you that night when, like, I left the room. Remember, I said I love you? And we see a flashback to, like, the first time that Kyle said, fuck you, and he tells her in the bathroom, all right, I love you. Okay. Text me if you need anything.

[Ronnie]

This is literally crazy.

[Brandy]

You idiot.

[Ronnie]

You idiot.

[Brandy]

Why are you wasting our time with these semantics right now? Everyone knows what Kyle meant by that question.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, but don't you think that west was saying, yeah, I mean, I love Amanda. I've. I've loved her. I've always loved Amanda. I've loved Amanda forever. And then he's like, oh, but our timeline is February, so. But, like, I meant it as a friend, you know?

[Brandy]

Yeah, I, I. This is just, like, crazy. The point is that he's still trying to manipulate a narrative here because he won't say something. And he's like, he's also thinking in my mind, he's thinking, I don't want to say I'm in love with Amanda because that will sound too crazy, and people will think I'm love bombing and they're going to accuse me of being this or that. And I. I think that he's just so preoccupied with what we are all thinking and saying that he's trying to give an answer that will mollify all of us. And it's doing the exact opposite. And it's his modifications that are actually driving us more nuts than if he said, I actually am in love with her, which is crazy, but I am in love. And now I know. And now I know the difference of why I couldn't stand those other relationships, because those relationships didn't have what I have with Amanda right now.

[Ronnie]

See, I think that is kind of what he's saying in a weird way, because he's saying, yeah, but I loved. I said I loved her back in July, duh. And then we see the clip of that and he's like, I care about her a ton. And Carl's like, wait, but timeout. How long. How long have you had feelings for, like, beyond friendship? Because you just said July, you idiot. And he's like, oh, well, like. Well, like February. Yeah, like, it's like checking his notes. Like, he's like, you know, like this timeline shit. It's just like. I mean, like, I know everyone wants to like, go back and be like, watch a show and like, oh, they were hooking up then, but we weren't, you know, like, we'd been close to it. So again, it's like him and Amanda have. Or he and Amanda have decided that the only thing that matters in everyone's mind is when we fudged. So we're just going to every. But the love story. Yes. So he's like, yes, but I've loved her, but we didn't fuck. Which makes it official until February. I just think they're trying to cement this as some love story. Like, we've been love. We've been in love so long, but we just didn't cement it until we knew that we were in the clear with my divorce and his breakup.

[Brandy]

Because in the rom coms, the people are always in other relationships. And then the true love wins. And then like the, the partners who get left are always like, go for it. I just want you to be happy. Like in the rom com, everyone's just happy for the people love. But in real life, everyone's like, fuck you. So I think they thought they watched too much Hallmark. So I was like, oh, yeah, well, there's love and there's in love. And I think one of the things that's helped Me be at peace with our separation is like, we fell out of love and still have love for her, but we haven't been in love for years. So if I'm being honest, the way you say I love you to Amanda in the same way, I mean, like, I filmed watch what happens with Lindsay last night, and I was like, I love you, but I'm not in love with Lindsay. Right. That'd be crazy, right? Are you understanding. You following any of this west? Yeah, Well, I haven't gotten to the point where, like, I told her or myself that I'm, like, in love, but, like, I do, like, love her and, like, have. And, like, I love love. And of tennis, like, my favorite score is when someone's at love. So, like, there's a lot of things that I love. So, like, yeah. Yeah. That's where I feel.

[Ronnie]

He says I've cared about her for a very, very long time. And it's hard to say that right to your face. So, yeah, I think that's what he's saying. Like, yeah, I've been in love with Amanda for a long time. So. Sorry. Sorry. But we didn't till February, though. He's like, you know, and I'm like, hope and I. I look forward to the way that, like, I do care. And, like, I'll treat Amanda to at least, like, lighten the worry. Like, don't worry. Like, I've got her, dad. I've got her. All right. Well, I was just like, wow, Jesus. You know, and he goes. And, you know, like, I appreciate it because, like, even, like, you'll send me, like, voice texts. Like, because you care about Amanda so much, you'll send me, like, you know, voice notes and stuff. And even when they're really long, you know, like, you. You really like to leave Kyle messages. He's like, yeah, yeah. I have to be like, sorry, I just hit the five mark, bro. You know, because, you know, it's like, two in the morning at some bar in Hoboken, and Kyle's on his phone, like, hey, you better take care of her. You better take real good care of her. Man is a good girl. A little messy, you know, maybe clean up her room every once in a while. I mean, Jesus Christ. Can't walk in a living room. But, you know, overall, she is a good person, you know?

[Brandy]

Here's my friend. Hi. Are you. No tool. That's Megan. Say hi to Megan. So Kyle is like, the weird feeling. I care about you. I care about Amanda. I almost want to. I don't know. It's just like, just like weird. But it's like, no, you didn't ask for it either. And like that's why it sucks. And like, so I've been like, I've been. It's been like sauce. It's like, yeah, I mean, what are you doing in the public eye is just like crazy. I mean, I don't know. It's like been an emotional couple months, that's for sure. And like, I also feel like you owe some type of apology, Mia. Like, I vote. Unfortunately, a lot of people apologies. So done, done, done, done Commercials.

[Ronnie]

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[Brandy]

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[Ronnie]

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[Brandy]

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[Ronnie]

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[Brandy]

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[Ronnie]

Well, yeah, there are some questions that aren't answered. I was not really suspect until she's like, yeah, I mean, I talked to him for, like, six hours. I still care about him. I was like, oh, God, you know, like, I can't. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I was. I think by the end of this,

[Brandy]

for sure, her vibe was like, look at me. Finally gonna be on Summer House. I was like, yeah, I don't see you going much farther than this episode, unfortunately. Thanks for the tea. But that's it.

[Ronnie]

Well, something we didn't really get to, you know? I mean, we did get to it because Sierra's like, well, what about the secret of don't you mind being the secret girl? She's like, no, I feel it's, like, kind of hot, you know? Like, I liked being a secret. Like, we'd go to this bar, that bar, and we're supposed to be together, and it was a secret, and that was kind of hot. I was like, you're kind of a red flag too, ma', am, because this whole summer, while Sierra's been like, he's been leading Sierra on, you've been fine with that while you're sitting at home really being his girlfriend. Like, you're also kind of a villain in this, you know? And she can say she doesn't know, but if Wes is like, okay, like, we're together, but, like, I'm gonna be on tv, so I'm just gonna be pretending to go with other people to be on tv. Like, you're kind of part of it. You're kind of like, yeah, you know, if you. If you watch this show and you see him leading somebody on for two years in a row, and you're like, okay, I'll be your secret girlfriend.

[Brandy]

Yeah, I don't know. It was just. I wasn't. I wasn't sold on Mia, I hate to say. So she comes in, and Sierra makes some mimosas, which is really nice and everything. And Mia's just hanging in there, you know, she's still very much in shock about the. The guy that she was on the phone with six hours after the scandal happened, but so they go and they settle down on the sofa to chat and talk and everything. So I love the energy of the scene. I do appreciate this. And Sierra's like, by the way, sorry I had to see footage of us kissing. She's like, yeah, well, I mean, it's not your fault, like, whatsoever. I will say, like, yeah, that, like, definitely, like, took the air out of my lungs to see. I don't know why that was funny to me, because normally people say it took the air out of my sails, but she's like, no, it came out of my lungs. And she's like. Because I wasn't privy to that. But, like, you know, it wasn't your responsibility to tell me, so, you know, just sort of.

[Ronnie]

And so Sierra's like, okay, so, like, over this. Over the summer, like, you know, like, was he giving you a recap of the weekend or, like, what was it like? And she's like, yeah, like, anytime I would go over there and we would hang out and there would be some weekends where he was going, he'd be like, you want to just, like, stay for the weekend so you can be here when I get back? And I was like, absolutely. Because, like, I just recently moved, so, like, I. It's. It's not like I have a whole lot to go back to in Philly. So, yeah, I would just stay at his place. It was great. I loved it. And I like to decorate and stuff, so. But, you know, I did. You know, I'm really good at styling. You know, I do style his apartment, but not the whole thing. Like, I'm not going to take credit for, like, the basketball hoop cube or, like, whatever, or, you know, the. The fleshlight on the. On the table. You might say. That was not me.

[Brandy]

But, yeah, like. But, like, yeah, he would. He would, like, come back and we would just, like, talk about the weekend. Sierra's like. And, like, obviously he would, like, leave out details. She's like, yeah, well, clearly I'm also, like, just, like, not that type of girl, I guess, to be like, us, like. Like, I give guys, like, a long leash, and I just, like, don't want to be in a relationship where I feel like I'm constantly checking, you know, you. Checking you on everything. And by the way, for the record, that leash is made of horse hair. Yes, it is. A horsehair leash takes a long time to make it.

[Ronnie]

The leash does get flies sometimes. I don't know what it is. Even clean horsehair, they're like a horse butts close, you know? But, yeah, I just don't ask questions, really. I just. Whatever. I Have no idea. I do not believe you. I do not. I don't believe her. I don't believe that she didn't know any of this. I just. I just don't. I can't.

[Brandy]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

And maybe it's part of. And it's kind of unfair, I feel like, because part of it is just the stink of west, you know, But I just don't believe that you have a man that's on tv. You've watched the show. Obviously if you're dating someone on tv, you're going to watch the show. She knows his reputation, what he's been going through with the people on this show. I just don't believe that she's like, okay, do whatever. I don't want to know anything. Or that he isn't coming home being like, oh, this person likes me, and that person likes me. I'm not saying that she knew that she was actively over Sierra in this situation, but it's.

[Brandy]

I believe.

[Ronnie]

I don't know.

[Brandy]

I believe she asked questions. She sort of gives me, like a low wattage Sabrina Bell vibe. And I think she probably asked questions. She probably wants to know about it. I think that she's like. She likes being in his proximity, but I think that he just, like, fed her a line of. And she didn't really. She didn't really probe. She didn't really like. Like, she took everything on face value, I think. So Sarah's asking if they've been in contact, and she's like, no, we haven't spoken in a few weeks. I mean, after reunion, he texted me, you win.

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And.

[Brandy]

Which is crazy. And she was like, what are you. What are you winning? She was. I know this isn't a game, but by the way, note that she says we haven't spoken for a few weeks, but then she also will say coming up that she was on the phone for six hours with him, which is crazy. There's just, like, no world in which she should be on the phone with. For six hours with Wesley. And also, I don't think Amanda, like, I would be, like, not happy if, like, if. If the guy that I just risked everything for was on the phone for six hours with the girl. He was like, a week before we went public, I would not be happy whatsoever.

[Ronnie]

And also she says, we haven't spoken for a few weeks, but Lindsay just said on May 13 that he was on the. West was on the phone with Miha this morning.

[Brandy]

So, yeah, I was like, you know, which is it?

[Ronnie]

And Amanda was like, so, which. Which is it? Guys. So Sierra's like, yeah, you know, and we had to figure out who you were, you know, because there's two sides to the story. And there's not a lot of physical evidence of Yalls relationship. But, like, there is some evidence of Yalls relationship. And then we see a flashback to two summers ago where Jesse's like, are

[Brandy]

there any girls you're excited about? That's.

[Ronnie]

Don't lie to me. I see a girl's name pop up on your phone all the time, so I don't know who you're trying to tell, but I know. And then west denies it to the producer, and he's like, no, it's just like, oh, like, yeah, it's like a girl that lives in Montana. Like, come on.

[Brandy]

Which is Miha.

[Ronnie]

And then Jesse says, how is Miha? In another clip, he's like, how is Miha? Yeah. So it's been two years that he's been dating this lady and lying about it on tv.

[Brandy]

It's been a long time. Yeah. And so Mia is like. She says, you know, after the whole you win thing, I think it took him like a week. And then he called me and we had this like six hour conversation. I'm like, girl. And so Sierra's like, so did you talk on the phone or was this like, via text? And she goes, well, a lot of our conversations are now, like, over the phone because of her, even though I don't talk with him anymore. But all of our conversations that we do have now are on the phone, so.

[Ronnie]

Because of her. Well, what does that mean? What does that mean that you're. You're still sneaking around with west because you know he's dating Amanda now? Yeah, she's gonna find the text. Yeah, I don't trust her either. She's full of this one.

[Brandy]

Yeah, she is. Like, I believe everything she's saying, but I don't believe her motives, if that makes sense. But also it is noteworthy that, like, he doesn't. Wes does not want to leave a paper trail anywhere. Right? So he's not gonna text text her at all.

[Ronnie]

So Mia's like, why are you talking to him? You know what I mean? That's what I don't get. Like, why are you on the phone six hours and saying you care about him and this and that when Now. You know, it's pretty clear he's dating Amanda. So, I mean, I guess that's her mind. It's like, well, he. She cheated with my man first, so I still get the man, but it's I don't know.

[Brandy]

I think best case scenario, she's trying to just, like, get information that then she can, like, run until other people and she can center herself in this a little bit more. That's best case scenario. So Sierra's like, I just think it's, like, weird that he's still, like, under the advice of you. Like, Wally has his new girlfriend. She's like, yeah, and here's the thing. At first, he was like, I'm just going to go to Italy. And then I told him I was like, go hang out with your family. Go hang out with people who love you. And then I found out that Amanda was going, and, like, you going with Amanda is a you to everyone involved. And it's such a you to me who's been, like, taking your phone calls and trying to understand you. Like, the you already happened. Me. I hate to tell you, the you actually was happening for, like, 15 months.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So Sierra's like, well, but if you didn't exist and you weren't as important as. And you weren't as important as he says you were, then why the Is he still calling you? Like, he's in this happy relationship and trying to figure it out? It's like, I know, because he's still. All of you, over. Stop.

[Brandy]

Yes.

[Ronnie]

Talking to this man. Oh, God. I can't take it.

[Brandy]

Sarah's like, can you guys just admit that you guys blew up your. Like, like, just you. You blew up your whole lives? Because, like, we know. We honestly know west, and it was like, the thrill of secrecy for him, you know? And she's like, it was him. Like, he. It was the hiding in plain sight that was the most thrilling for him. Like, that's why he liked it. And if I'm being real, the secrets. I mean, yeah, secret sex is kind of hot. She's like, oh, my God. I'm so glad you think that too. Yes. Oh, my God. So basically, Mia is like, yeah. I mean, I did secretly enjoy that. Like, she says, you know, it was a big part of it where I was like, I do love that this is kind of secret. Like, this is kind of fun.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. She's like, the secret. And Sierra says the secret in the sense that, like, you're doing. Like, I've never done it where it's like, I'm my best friend's ex, and me is like, well, even westonized relationship. The big part of it was that I love that this is a secret because I thought, you know, I was in on it. But it turns out, you Know you're not the only one keeping secrets. Many who are like, keep this a secret, are telling everybody to keep it a secret. So you guys don't compare notes and Sierra's. But see, the thing that is bugging me about Mia is Miha, is that she did know that he had all this stuff because she's been with him long enough to know everything that's been happening on the show. So you think she's just believing him when he's like, oh, it's just for show. None of this is real. I mean, I'm guessing that's what he's telling her.

[Brandy]

So she says, well, after the whole Italy thing, I had a very serious conversation with myself. And I was like, I'm sure as hell not going to roll over and act like I didn't exist and stay extremely silent. So what did you think was going to happen in the end? So Sierra's like, okay, cool. Well, cheers to the gossip of whatever you're about to say. I don't really care. Just want. I wanted you to get on camera here to talk about how he said, you win and you said the other stuff. So we're done here.

[Ronnie]

I guess that she means I. I know because this is weird because she's like, after Italy, I was really pissed and I was like, I'm not gonna roll over. Meaning, I guess she's gonna come on this show when she's gonna film, right? Like, he went to Italy, so she's gonna film and she doesn't owe him any loyalty. But why was it even to that point when he fucked you, like, you found out he was fucking you over at the reunion and that he was still with Amanda. And then you talked to him for six hours and you were. The whole reason he said you win was because he found out that she had been talking to the whole cast and was like, fine, you win. So I don't know this relationship you have, like, cuckoo.

[Brandy]

Do you have a six hour relationship, six hour conversation with someone that you're not in an exclusive relationship with?

[Ronnie]

I mean, my best friend and I will go for a good three or four hours sometimes, but I mean, on Love island, yes.

[Brandy]

They have nothing else to do. But like, seriously, if west is in just sort of like just casually hooking up with this girl, he's gonna get on the phone with her for six hours. No, I don't see that happening.

[Ronnie]

There is not somebody that I would have. There is not somebody that I would have that long of a conversation with that I wasn't talking through every, like, plot and scheme that I have, you know, like when you. And what I mean by that is, like when you're having a problem with somebody, you know, and then you're talking to your friend, you're like, oh my God, I'm having a problem with my mom or whatever, and you're like, I could say this or I could say that, or I could do this or I could do that. You know, it's like you're having conversations where you're kind of like plotting out how to deal with the situation. So I don't believe that Miha is just like so in the dark about everything.

[Brandy]

Listen, you know, only, the only thing I'm having a six hour conversation about is other people saying that they had a six hour conversation about something.

[Ronnie]

Well, that's true. I mean, who are we talking about? I know, but basically we can't sit there and say like, oh, wow, like, if anybody ever questioned me, like, well, what did you say to Ben? And then you said, well, Ronnie never said that to me. Bullshit. Everybody knows that. Anything that's on my mind, you would know about. You know what I mean? So me as whole, like, well, I didn't know that he had this going on, or I didn't know he had this going on with that girl and blah, blah, blah. I just don't buy it. I feel like she was fine to be in cahoots with west when it was against everybody else and when everybody else was getting fucked over. But then when it came to her not winning in the end, she was like, okay, fuck this guy. You know, he went to Italy with this girl and that's the last straw.

[Brandy]

Like, well, that's why I think he was on the phone with her for so long, because he had, he had been in a 15 month relationship with her that he says she thought was exclusive, but for on his end it was not exclusive. But he, he knew it was enough of a relationship that I think he had to get on the phone with her and explain to her, like, this is what happened. And I do like you. It's not you, it's me. I think that like, yes, some of it was like trying to figure out the situation, the plotting and the scheming. But I do think some of it was him trying to do damage control with her. And it was like the breakup phone call, the official.

[Ronnie]

Well, that's true maybe, you know, but I like you're having that, you have

[Brandy]

that long conversation if you're, if you're extracting yourself out of a Relationship.

[Ronnie]

Something's really bothering me about me not buying this lady because I feel like it's really not fair and, like, she's a victim of west, right? We know that west is a pig. We know that west does all of this stuff. So for me to be like, well, I don't believe her. I mean, I think it sounds shitty. And I hear myself saying that, and I'm just trying to verbalize why that is. I just don't. I believe that this person watch these shows and watch Sierra crying. I don't mean this season, but at least the previous season. And knows that he's making her cry. So in this conversation, I need to hear Sierra being like, but you've seen the show, right? You know, how he treated me or how he led me on or how he's led other women on. What were you thinking then? Like, I need her to say, like, he told me this was all fake, and that's why I was in a relationship with him, because without hearing that, I'm just thinking, like, well, you know that west is a pig, and you see him actively treating other women, like, and you're still with him, so that kind of makes you the enemy as well. In my mind. Yeah. Does that make sense?

[Brandy]

I mean, yeah. Look, I'm sympathetic for what she's dealt with with west because I think that he's a manipulator. There's not a perfect victim, right? So she, like, she can still be a victim to Wes while still, like, having flaws. So I. I acknowledge that as well. I don't like to shoot the messenger, but I also am thinking, like, the messenger, like, maybe made a few too many stops. It's like when you order, like, the Postmates, and, like, you're waiting and you're watching the dot, you're like, did they stop their car? Did they go into a convenience store? I'm waiting for my food. My food is cooling down. So it's like, I'm not gonna shoot the messenger, but sometimes I need the messenger to not make mistakes. Stops. And so I.

[Ronnie]

Or when you feel like you didn't pay the extra money to Uber so that your. Your guy is stopping at another house first, and you're like, you have ice cream. You have my ice cream in there.

[Brandy]

Stop doing that. So it's one of those things where, like, I. I do think she was 100 a victim of West. The way Amanda will be. Sierra was and many other people were. So I'm very sympathetic to her for that. But I also don't think that that you automatically get a pass to being like. Like, just an. Like, you're awesome, and you're approved in my book. Like, because I think some of the things she's saying is, like, a little sus. So, you know, she would need some more vetting, and then, like, maybe she could be cleared. But for right now, I'm kind of like, you know, I don't hate her. I just. I'm like, I'm a little suspicious of some of the things that's. That are happening here. And I feel like. I feel like I actually was giving her the benefit of the debt for a very long time. Like, when normally if someone calls into a Reunion is on FaceTime and is like, this is what happened, and this is what happened. I'm always like, oh, that person's so thrilled. Thirsty. And I didn't even feel that way, but. But this time I was like, I don't know. I'm just have a nice, healthy grain of salt to go with this Mia stuff. And then, you know, we could convene later and revise our opinions.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, we'll see. Tbd. So Sierra's like, okay, well, thanks for the tea. You know, to moving on to a better summer watch after sun. And let's just, you know, let's just have fun for now on. Let's make it comical. And she's like, yeah, like, literally, let's make it, like, funny. She goes, yeah, let's laugh. She goes, oh, I'm petty. It's like, I know, I know.

[Brandy]

Here you are.

[Ronnie]

I love this side.

[Brandy]

I love that side of you.

[Ronnie]

I love this. I love the side of you that's like, that guy. I'm gonna go shoot your TV show about you.

[Brandy]

Yeah, yeah, do that. We like that. And then basically, Sierra's laughing about how her. Her mom was like, stop going wild on thread, kids. But they cheers, and it's like, they're happy, and it's like, yay. So they sort of, like, ended on this note of, like, like, we will be resilient, and we will move on, and summer house will continue.

[Ronnie]

And then, well, we also ended with Mia being like, thank God I have you now. Oh, my God. I can't believe it took us so long to find each other. So that was hints of Sabrina Bell. Like, we're basically besties now, right?

[Brandy]

Yeah. I was like, I'll tell you one person who's not gonna stand for it. Sabrina Bell. She's like, I just got here. I put it.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, yeah. Get out of here, horse tail. Get out of Here, you horsetail. Time maker.

[Brandy]

And then the camera sort of like pans out or zooms out on Manhattan and then it sort of like moves over to the Hamptons and sort of alluding to like the show will go on and the summers will continue and they will in pro and because they're gonna probably start filming again in about 13 days, right? 13, 14 days.

[Ronnie]

Usually start on July 4th weekend. Right?

[Brandy]

Yeah. It's coming up, so get right back into it. We'll see.

[Ronnie]

I don't know. That's a lot of. But, you know, we'll have a break as viewers because we still got in the city and like I complained about before, this is another hour of watching Kyle and Amanda at each other, which I've had.

[Brandy]

Ronnie, we've recapped this for so long that the new season of Summer House is about to start, so.

[Ronnie]

All right, everybody, thanks so much for being with us this season. It's been a ball. If you want to talk more about Kyle and Amanda's relationship sucking or you want to hear more about lover boy, join us for the in the City recap coming up next. We love you guys. We'll talk to you next time. Bye.

[Brandy]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ronnie]

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