#3420 RHOA S17E12: Holler at the Baller

Summary

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Watch What Crappens – Episode #3420: RHOA S17E12 "Holler at the Baller"

Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Date: June 22, 2026
Episode Recapped: Real Housewives of Atlanta, Season 17 Episode 12

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Episode Overview

Ben and Ronnie bring their trademark sharp wit and affectionate ridicule to Real Housewives of Atlanta Season 17, Episode 12, "Holler at the Baller." This week, they dive into a filler-heavy episode centered on an unmissable Bailey Bowl tribute, house-selling drama from Portia, Kelly’s ongoing financial spiral, and a therapy-centric subplot around Angela and Amari’s family dynamics. The discussion touches on fake housewives storylines, Bravo’s tendency toward unnecessary “field day” episodes, and the need for tighter editing. As always, expect glorious tangents, notable gay wisdom, and a touch of shade toward excessive Minion tie-ins.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Golden Girls, Housewife Ages & The Glow Up Cast

• [05:11] Michelle: “Many of the women of this cast are the same age as the Golden Girls when the Golden Girls premiered... So am I.”
• The hosts riff on how Bravo stars often match the ages of 1980s sitcom “Golden Girls,” making “glow up” and “Golden” more an attitude than an age.
• The conversation shifts smoothly into this episode’s themes of aging, family, and personal reinvention.

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2. Angela & Cynthia's Therapy and Bone-Carrying

• [06:46] Bonnie: “Cynthia is basically here carrying bones to talk to Angela and get her riled up. Who else? Shamia.”
• Cynthia dishes to Angela about Shamia’s “smoke” toward her, sparking Angela’s talking-point that therapy helps her deliver better reads:
  • [11:10] Michelle: “If I could do a better read because of therapy, I’m gonna like, up the amount of times I go.”
• Hilarity follows about martinis and online therapy with Angela and her daughter Amari.
  • [12:04] Bonnie: “The daughter had to put her glass of wine on the floor, which also really stressed me out. I need therapy after watching that therapy scene.”

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3. Portia’s Real Estate Scheme & House Logic

• [21:33] Bonnie: “Portia tells us she’s moving the house... Sell a $2 million asset, make a million and keep the $7 million asset and take out its equity – ‘smart business.’”
• The hosts are confounded and worried by Portia’s business logic:
  • [22:29] Bonnie: “Put Ms. Diane in a, in a fucking cardboard box somewhere and take that million dollars.”
  • [23:32] Michelle: “Don’t keep his house. It’s bad juju. Plus it’s nice and petty.”
• The “planned” nature of Portia’s scenes is criticized – the diamond ring subplot feels especially scripted.

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4. Kelly’s Financial Free Fall

• [25:54] Bonnie: “So she goes and meets with Johnny, her financial advisor... She’s got a Range Rover, $2K a month. $600 insurance. Kia Sportage, baby! Turn that one in.”
• Kelly spends extravagantly ($8,500 month on clothes!), has a $500/month dog wig budget, but is “circling the drain of financial ruin”—and resisting sacrifices.
• Amusing, but cringe-inducing realness about Bravo-lebrity lifestyles and gender differences in spending:
  • [27:14] Bonnie: “So thankful to be a dude when I watch stuff like this.”
  • [29:21] Michelle: “Famously, Ben and Ronnie have Watch What Crappens: ‘This is from Ross Dress For Less!’”

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5. Angela & Amari’s Family Therapy: Coming Out, Boundaries, and Generational Gaps

• The show’s most nuanced segment deals with Angela pressuring daughter Amari to come out to her siblings after getting married to her wife.
  • [33:24] Bonnie: “The main crux of this tension is that Amari got secretly married to her wife and Angela didn’t know.”
  • [34:09] Michelle: “Don’t you want to tell your little siblings?... It was surprising to me.”
• Thoughtful, personal takes from both hosts about the generational experience of coming out, why “the big talk” still matters, and how TV changes things:
  • [41:02] Michelle: “Young people are exposed to the lusts and desires of straight people from when they're like zygotes, right?... It shouldn't be a radical thing.”
  • [42:14] Bonnie: “My taxes pay for you to go to school, you little… You want a ride to the store? You better accept my gay ways.”

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6. The Bailey Bowl Returns: Maggie Madness & Filler Episode Woes

• The Bailey Bowl/”Maggie Madness” field day is roundly roasted for being a Bravo time-filler:
  • [14:44] Michelle: “Every Real Housewives field day or gym setting has been a dud... The viewers could care less.”
• [61:16] Michelle: “Angela’s telling us... they’re throwing this party, this basketball thing, and she. Her mom loved college basketball.”
• Amusing rundown of the teams: Team Chatty Patty, Team Minion, Team Sasquatch, etc.
• The Minions product placement is noted (“Clearly a directive!” at [62:59] Michelle).
• The basketball sequences go “nowhere”:
  • [64:43] Michelle: “It’s not fun, so it’s pleasant to watch. But what do you want me to say? ...It was a fun and game sequence to pad out the episode.”

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7. The Group Squabble: Shamia vs. Angela & Lapdog-Gate

• The Bailey Bowl inevitably leads to a confrontation between Angela and Shamia over old beef about marriage rumors, with lapdog accusations flying:
  • [66:19] Bonnie: “You came relevant because your last name and because you an NBA player there. Okay?”
  • [66:44] Michelle: “Right, but married him. [Phaedra]: ‘But it’s usually how that works though, right? You usually fuck first and then marry.’”
• The hosts note how forced and awkward the semicircle group showdown feels:
  • [65:12] Bonnie: “They literally stand in, like, a semicircle. And Angela’s like, ‘Okay, thank you for coming to support my mother and my fans. And – oh, Cynthia, let’s fight.’”
• Multiple sub-arguments erupt, including lapdog accusations between Drew and Shamia.

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8. Riffing on Bravo's Editing & Season Length

• Strong advocacy for tighter Housewives seasons; the episode is clear Bravo filler:
  • [68:32] Bonnie: “You can’t make every season this long... Listen, Beverly Hills had the same problem.”
• Memorable Quote:
  • [68:32] Michelle: “It kind of feels like episode extras that could live digitally or on Peacock, and we could just get right to the meat of it, keep it, like, leaner and meaner.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Michelle [11:10]: “If I could do a better read because of therapy, I’m gonna like, up the amount of times I go.”
• Bonnie [22:29]: “Put Ms. Diane in a... cardboard box and take that million dollars.”
• Michelle [27:14]: “So thankful to be a dude when I watch stuff like this.”
• Bonnie [42:14]: “My taxes pay for you to go to school, you little fuck-off.”
• Michelle [68:32]: “It kind of feels like episode extras that could live digitally or on Peacock, and we could just get right to the meat of it, keep it, like, leaner and meaner.”

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Chronological Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Details/Topic | Timestamp | |--------------------------|----------------------------------------------------------------|---------------| | Housewives/Golden Girls | Age, relevance, show attitude | 05:05–05:41 | | Angela/Cynthia Therapy | Martinis, therapy, and housewives "reads" | 06:15–12:15 | | Portia’s Home Sale Plan | Business logic, real estate advice gone awry | 21:33–23:32 | | Kelly’s Finances | Financial advisor, lavish budgets, dog wigs | 25:52–31:26 | | Angela & Amari Therapy | Coming out, generational differences, boundaries | 33:03–43:19 | | The Bailey Bowl Begins | Teams, Minions, basketball field-day snark | 60:43–64:02 | | Group Showdown | Shamia vs. Angela, lapdog accusations, awkward confrontation | 65:12–73:59 | | Bravo Filler Episodes | Criticism of episodic padding, need for shorter seasons | 67:20–69:56 |

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Final Thoughts

Ben and Ronnie bring their usual mix of insider Bravo shade and affectionate sarcasm to an Atlanta episode they unmistakably consider “filler.” Through raucous commentary about housewives logic, townhome stairs, coming out narratives, and the history of “field day” episodes, they find both humor and empathy for their subjects. Their concluding call for tighter editing rings especially true on the heels of a light-on-drama installment.

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Well, hello and welcome to Watch what Crappens, a podcast for all the crap we love to talk about on Bravo and beyond. Because this is House of the Dragons week coming up. We're going to record that Wednesday because it's. It's a crazy week over here, but we're excited. Ben, welcome to your show. Hi, how are you?

[Michelle]

Thank you so much. Yes, we have a busy dance card today because we're doing Amazon Live and crappy hour and. And we're recording Atlanta right now, Rhode island reunion right after. So, you know, those dragons are just gonna have to wait. They've waited long enough. I mean, they've got sheep to eat. They'll be fine. Okay. And we've all waited long enough. We waited five years for the between seasons. So two more days. It's okay, everyone. But thank you for your patience on that front.

[Bonnie]

Yeah. And thanks for being here. Like Ben said, today is Amazon Live. We're also going to do a special Amazon live at 2pm Pacific time on Friday for Prime Day. So join us for that. Tonight's crappy hour at 5:30 Pacific time. You can find that on our YouTube and Patreon. It's free on Patreon. That's also where you find our free newsletter. It's like a big long recap making fun of these shows that I write every week. And you can also get bonus episodes and you can get our Discord server and AD free listening, which is a pretty big one. So thanks to everybody for being on Patreon, everybody who is, and if you aren't, who cares? Thank you for being here as well. Okay.

[Michelle]

Yeah. Thank you for being.

[Bonnie]

Thank you for being a friend. Yeah, you brought up Golden Girls. And then I went downstairs and there's like a Golden Girls puzzle that I got for Christmas. It was just a. Oh, it's been on my mind a lot of Golden Girls now.

[Michelle]

Didn't I bring up the Golden Girls last week for something?

[Bonnie]

I brought up you did the Valley. I brought up you said postpartum depression

[Michelle]

is like a bear into an episode of Dorothy and Sophia. I meant every second, every word of it, too. God, that episode made me cry. It's amazing how the Golden Girls will just make you laugh so hard and then suddenly are crying. The one with the park benches just.

[Paige Desorbo]

Hey.

[Bonnie]

All right, all right.

[Michelle]

That seats for my friend. Someone's Sitting there. If you know, you know. And you're probably already crying. Yes. Says be of Golden Girls, the Real Housewives of Atlanta.

[Bonnie]

Into this. You're gonna get your ass kicked. Calling people Golden Girls. Hell, no.

[Michelle]

Golden. A great. Golden is a great term. It was one of the old songs of the pasture. Let me tell you something. As. As is commonly referenced in pop culture now, many of the women of this cast and other Real Housewives are the same age of the Golden Girls when the Golden Girls premiered. So it's like, to me, well, so am I.

[Bonnie]

That's why I'm taking offense to the term Golden Girls, because I remember, you know, that came on when we were kids, and I was like, oh, they're so. Well, listen, grandmas, now it's me.

[Michelle]

Well, how dare you? It's us. Yeah.

[Bonnie]

So we.

[Michelle]

We have the glow up cost. It was this week's episode of Real Housewives of Atlanta. And we start at Angela's house. Cynthia shows up. Angela says how much she just loves some Cynthia. She's like. She knows she can get a good kiki with Cynthia, and she can always get the truth because Cynthia is amazing. So they sit down, and Cynthia's like, what? What? You're already laughing about something.

[Bonnie]

Cynthia is amazing.

[Michelle]

Well, like, you don't need to. We don't need, like, an intro to who Cynthia is. She's been around a while. By the way, I want to mention really quickly this weekend, I was so proud of myself because I did give. I mentioned it somewhere on one of the episodes that as part of my college reunion, I was asked to give, like, a little quote, unquote, TED Talk. So I talk.

[Bonnie]

Yes. How did it go?

[Michelle]

It was great. It went really well. And thank you to all the people who came. And it was. It was really cool. I talked about lessons that we can learn from the Real Housewives. My premise was that the Real Housewives have been teaching us about life for the past 20 years. And I brought up three housewives to illustrate how, like, you know, what we can take away from them. And I want to say that Phaedra Parks was one of the housewives I highlighted in terms of how to learn lessons about life. So, you know, I have to say shout out. Shout out to Phaedra park for helping me. Are you gonna publish that talk? I don't know if I'll publish it. It wasn't, like, recorded or anything, but maybe.

[Bonnie]

Maybe you wrote it down, right? Put it in the newsletter.

[Michelle]

I don't write down. You know what? That's a great Idea. It's a great idea. For next week's newsletter, I will. I will write down the lessons learned from real housewives over 20 years, as evidenced by Countess Luen de Lesseps, Lisa Rinna, and Future Parks.

[Bonnie]

Wow. Well, I knew. I knew Lou was going to be in there for sure.

[Michelle]

Of course. Listen, you really could begin and end with Lou, and, like, that's fine. It's all set.

[Bonnie]

You were just giving yourself a reason to talk about Lou for.

[Michelle]

It just was funny because the other panelists leading up to it, it was like. Like a. A research scientist with Adobe. It was someone. It was a environmental scientist who's studying chemical contamination of ground soil. Someone who started up, like, some sort of health tech thing. The creator of Sat, the mattress. That was me. I was like, I'm gonna talk about the Real Housewives. Yes. No one knew, by the way. I was like. I was like, Mandela Seps. It was like crickets. Crickets, crickets. I was like, okay. Not a Housewives audience, but speaking of

[Bonnie]

Countess, you know, and Sonia and all the other ones. I mean, talk about poisoning ground soil. They eat everywhere. God knows what they. How many trees they've killed, you know? Yeah. Intersection.

[Michelle]

Lots. The intersectionality mattresses, Morgan. And it was great. It was great. Adobe.

[Bonnie]

There's a lot of face. A lot of face tuning. I mean, really, you could actually all come together. Yeah, it all comes together, honestly, if you.

[Michelle]

If you between, like. Like, image manipulation, mattresses, ground soil contamination, and. And Real Housewives, they all do kind of, like, mix together perfectly.

[Bonnie]

Yeah.

[Michelle]

Truly, they represent. Bravo.

[Bonnie]

Yeah. I mean, imagine if there weren't coffins. Like, what trees would. Would sprout out of Real Housewives once they were buried? Crazy rubber, poisonous trees.

[Michelle]

Just rubber trees, actually. But I think the truth is that, like, every rubber tree springs from a dead housewife. Real Housewife. That is. That's getting really dark and morbid now.

[Bonnie]

Yeah. Okay, so Cynthia is basically here carrying bones to talk to Angela and get her riled up about. Who else? Show me off. Because Cynthia had a lunch Shamia. And so Cynthia's tattletailing that Shamia had so much smoke for Angela, you know, off their lunch, where they fought. And Angela's like, I just wanted to eat. And she's like, oh, she didn't even get the appetizer. Come on, child. And she's like, no, it's an ongoing

[Michelle]

issue about this lunch button or not be able to have her wings or no kebabs. Those kebabs. Yeah.

[Bonnie]

So Cynthia's like, the other Thing she was sharing was about the surrogacy. And also, you know, her mom is ill, and she says that she's been stressing about the mom. And so I was like, are you in therapy? And she said, oh, I don't have time for therapy. And I was like, well, none of us have time for therapy, but we still, you know, you go, yeah, exactly.

[Michelle]

And Cynthia's like, well, well, that, you know, that's. That. That, you know, that's something for you. You know, all this stuff you're talking about is very stressful. And Angela's like, well, that's the reason why she is the needs therapy shamia. You need to go to therapy. It forces me to make changes and take chances and make bigger, Take bigger risks and move forward with my life. Buying another house that has spiders in it, and it'll make you less afraid to say what you want to say, you know, and confront the people you want to confront. I'm like, so wait, we're saying that all of Angela's reads are because she's in therapy? I mean, that is a really good endorsement for therapy. If I could do a better read because of therapy, I'm gonna like, up the amount of times I go.

[Bonnie]

What they need to do is give Angela's therapist access, like one of those verification codes for her bank account. So every time she tries to buy a new house, the therapist can just say, no, declined. That's therapy. You know, sometimes therapist is. The good therapist is someone who says, no, stop. Bad enough. So. And also, Angela, if we could all do therapy like you do it. I mean, today Angela and her daughter do therapy online, and they're both just swinging back drinks.

[Michelle]

Well, I know. I was surprised. She had like a therapy too.

[Bonnie]

She had a full martini and also not an end table. The daughter had to put her glass of wine on the floor, which also really stressed me out. I need therapy after watching that therapy scene.

[Michelle]

Yeah, I feel like martini during a therapy session is dangerous. You should be self medicating while trying to get, like, you know, emotionally medicated at the same time.

[Bonnie]

Yeah, Mother child therapy with a martini in your hands. Been there, been there. And it wasn't called therapy. It was called Christmas. And it ended badly for, you know, 50 years. So Angela's like, oh, yeah, you know, my heart goes out to her, especially because you said, mom, you know, and I. I lost my mom. And so I get it. And she's so. She says, I want to have a celebration of life for my mom and I want to include all the girls. So I want to have the celebration of life. I want us to all sweat, and I want there to be no furniture so that we have to stand around in a circle and awkwardly yell at

[Michelle]

each other like we're in community theater and use fangies. So Cynthia's like, well, you know what I did once? I did a Bailey Bowl. And Angel's like, okay. And she goes. Which was just like going to P.E. but, like, on a different level. I'm like, I remember that belly bowl episode. It was one of the most boring episodes of all time. Other Real Housewives of Atlanta, please don't bring the Bailey bowl back.

[Bonnie]

And then they copied it. Or, wait, who did it first? Potomac or Potomac or Atlanta, because one of them copied each other. And then now they're both annual things that we have to sit through every year. I don't want to watch people do pen. Are you kidding?

[Michelle]

Yeah.

[Bonnie]

I quit school so I didn't have to finish P.E.

[Michelle]

i think this is a strong note. Every Real Housewives episode that has involved some sort of field day or gym setting has been a dud because the activity usually takes, like, 20 minutes. And we have to watch people show up in outfits and things like that. We look at their teams and, like, we, as the viewers, literally could care less. I would rather just, like, pull up headlines of the, like, Iran war and look at what's happening there than watch what's happening in these, like, field day Real Housewives episodes. Okay. Yeah, chaotic.

[Bonnie]

I don't want to play basketball, and I don't want to watch you play basketball. No offense. I especially don't want to watch your friends play basketball. What the. Do I care what your friends play? I mean, if anything, at least let me watch you guys play basketball. What? I. You're having an episode where I have to watch your friends play basketball.

[Michelle]

I don't want to watch.

[Bonnie]

And your assistants.

[Michelle]

I don't want to watch basketball. I don't want to watch three legged races. I don't want to watch potato sack races. I don't want to watch volleyball. I don't want to watch softball. I don't want to watch baseball. I don't want to watch flag football. I. I want nothing of that sort.

[Bonnie]

I will. I will accept it. Like a three legged race if it's someone with, like, a huge penis that they call three legged. You know, like, if it's that, then do it.

[Michelle]

They're just dragging on the grass. Well, yes, yes. We'll always be open for that, by the way. I just want to Say shout out to all the new listeners from Dartmouth who tuned in to this episode because they, they, they met me over the weekend. We're like, oh, you have a podcast. I'm gonna listen to it on your next episode. So glad you guys are listening to this great content. But anyway, yeah, a three legged race with a penis. Dragon in the grass. Love it. Love to see it.

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Every style, every home. All right, so now we go over to Portia's mother's house, which is Portia's old house, which Portia is now selling out from under her mother. Where's her mother gonna live? I'm still very worried about this.

[Michelle]

Diane will be fine. I'm sure they set Diane up just like she. I feel like Diane has some sort of like, like, dimly lit apartment that has, like, lots of velvet textures and, like, drapes.

[Bonnie]

Yeah.

[Michelle]

And like, palm fronds. I feel like she has sort of like, like. Like a. Like a bordello, but not like an actually working bordello, just a bordello style place where she can have like a. One of like a divon. And she can be in, like, a robe and like, they're just like, just gentle music playing. And she maybe has, like, a cigarette on, like, one of those long sticks. I. I just feel like, like, that is Diane's vibe and she should finally be living in a space that reflects it.

[Bonnie]

Yeah, I agree. I think that is a good vibe for her. Like that old bordello wallpaper, you know?

[Michelle]

Yeah.

[Bonnie]

Long couch that she's reclining on at all times.

[Michelle]

She said she themed, but not bordello. Yeah.

[Bonnie]

Oh, yeah. But I mean, I think. Yeah, I think that brings up a good image, so. Or if it's a Wardella, like the Dolly Parton kind, where everybody's just so sweet, you know, you don't even really know what's going on in there because they're just all so sweet. Right.

[Michelle]

The last one.

[Bonnie]

Christmas. Yeah, it was the last one. Now we have the Internet. Oh, God. Okay. So anyway, they. What?

[Michelle]

No, don't. Just. You just keep going. I'm. My brain is also.

[Bonnie]

If you think of a Golden Girls Episode? No. Episode of the Golden Girls. Oh, yeah, that was a good one.

[Michelle]

No, in my mind, I was thinking it was called the Last Little Whorehouse in Texas, but it's the best little whorehouse in Texas.

[Bonnie]

You're right. It was the best. What was the last?

[Michelle]

Best and last.

[Bonnie]

They probably still have whorehouses. Never mind. Sorry. Whorehouse people. There's people in a whorehouse right now that are like, excuse me, the erasure.

[Michelle]

I don't know, but Dolly Parton's had, like, had great Yelp reviews apparently. So entire musical about it.

[Bonnie]

Okay, so, okay, now Ms. Diane and Portia are talking about how the house is completely bland because she's had to make it saleable, which means that she had to remove any personal things out of the house. And she's like, like, where's my portrait of myself gone now? Gone? Yes, yes, Miss Diane, it's gone.

[Michelle]

Yeah, they're gonna be selling it. And Portia is as excited. She's gonna take everyone. Portia and Phaedra are gonna take everyone to Scotland because they basically just. Porsche just got back from Scotland. I mean, let's face it, she was there for about, I don't know, 48 hours. So she's like, I want to redo. So. So she and Phaedra are taking all the ladies to Scotland to have kind of a Traders like vacation. It's the second time now that the Real Housewives have done a tribute to the reality show that one of their cast members has been a part of. Because, of course, Tamara did it on Orange county about a year or two ago.

[Bonnie]

Yeah, there's like a lot of rehashed things in this episode. We've got an intramural day. We've got that we're going to go into the Traders land or whatever. We do have something kind of new, which is business. Business talk from Porsche. Porsche Logic on house selling. Portia tells us she's moving the house because when you're looking at moving around assets, if I can send it, if I can sell a two million dollar asset, make a million and keep the seven million dollar asset and take out its equity, we're making smart business. Is it. If. If you've got a house that's a mill, you've got a million dollars profit, but then you've got this big mall house that you really don't need that $7 million, is it worth it to keep that house? How much do you think that house is? I don't really know that much about real estate, but I'm horrified listening to I was like, really?

[Michelle]

You got a million dollars? Get the million dollars.

[Bonnie]

Put Ms. Diane in a, in a fucking cardboard box somewhere and take that million dollars.

[Michelle]

I kind of feel like sell the $7 million asset because you didn't actually put any money into it in the first place, so you're just making straight up $7 million and then do something else with it. Like, that's pure profit in my mind. You know? Whereas, like, now if you take the million and then you take out equity on the 7 million asset, I don't know. To me that just sounds like debt is around the corner. Like you're taking out on this and gonna invest in something else. Something bad's gonna happen. I don't know. But you know what? Also one thing I learned from this weekend at school, I'm not a business person.

[Bonnie]

So, yeah, I know. I listen to myself starting.

[Michelle]

I'm like, yeah, let's listen to myself

[Bonnie]

starting that a lot. Who the are you? I don't know anything about money. I just heard all those numbers flying out of Porsche's mouth, and I was like, yeah, because then I was thinking at Simon's house. I mean, Simon's old house. And so how many loans are taken on out on this house? And I don't know, it sounds, I

[Michelle]

think it's bad juju.

[Bonnie]

The house is too big.

[Michelle]

Don't keep his house. Don't keep his house. It's bad juju. Plus it's, it's nice and petty. So that way if he wants to come back for his house and it's already sold, he can't even have it. So, like, just get rid of it. Like, why don't. I mean, get rid of both houses? How about that? I don't like either one of them. Sorry, Ms. Diane. We have, we already have a plan for Diane. We know where she's going to go. We already set that up. I, I say, Porsche, you just get a new place. Surely there's some Toya's vacating a mansion somewhere that you can take over.

[Bonnie]

Yeah, and so get cams. Go get Zolciacs. I think the audience would love that.

[Michelle]

Well, let's not put her into a shack.

[Bonnie]

Poor Kim Soulciak. So now Portia is talking about the, the ring that she got back from. I don't care. I don't care about any of this. Like, wham, wham, Offer the diamond ring back, Porsha, Come on. Porsche has like, fake thing after fake thing happening on this show. And I really love Porsche, but I don't need all this Fakery.

[Michelle]

Yeah, I agree. I agree. You know, and this is like my. This is one of my fundamental issues with Portia is that she's such a great real housewife, but she really provides fakery, it feels like, with. Or not really even fakery. I just feel like she has planned out these scenes for us, and they're just not as interesting to us as she thinks they are. And I just. I just want her to do better, you know?

[Bonnie]

Yeah. I'm not gonna cry about you being offered your diamond ring back.

[Michelle]

I'm really not.

[Bonnie]

I just want.

[Michelle]

Especially when, like, like, oh, my God, I can't believe he gave him my ring back. I'm like, weren't you the one that was just talking about, like, taking out equity? Like, you just got some money. Take out equity on that ring. Sell that ring.

[Bonnie]

Yeah, you're talking about smart business decisions. Sell that. Okay. And keep Diane in her house. God bless her. Okay, so now we go to Kelly. Speaking of financial issues, it's another week of Kelly's financials. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. If this doesn't make you want to save five damn dollars, I don't know what. Well, but I'm starting to get stressed out watching Kelly because every week. Although this week, I was like, what's she gonna get for free this week? Because she's been giving a lot of. For free.

[Michelle]

She is, you know, freeloading.

[Bonnie]

I love a sale.

[Michelle]

So she goes and meets with Johnny, her financial advisor, and he's like, okay, so how much do you think you're bringing in per month? So she Sundays. She says about 75, 000. And then. But then the other. That. Well, Nana's in McDonough. It brings in 75, 000, but the other one in Sandy Springs brings in 15, 000. So, yeah, she's just sort of just having some financial issues. So he starts saying, like, okay, well, what are. Let's talk about your. Let's talk about what money. You're. The money that's going out. So let's talk about your car payment first. So she's got a Range Rover that's about 2,000amonth with $600 of insurance. Kia Sportage, baby. Turn that one in. Come join the Kia Army.

[Bonnie]

Range Rover is extreme. I'm not saying. And listen, the kids are beautiful, too. I'm not saying you have to go, you know, like, all the way down. But a Range Rover is. That's extreme. That's really expensive. And then he's like, okay, beauty and makeup. And she's like lashes or no lashes? Like, this is not cute. Okay. And she says, 12, 20 $500 for beauty and makeup, which I guess there's glamming because you go on tv, but,

[Michelle]

yeah, I get that that's a loss

[Bonnie]

when you don't have any money. 25,000. I mean, 25. I mean, I don't know. I'm so stressed, but it's also so, so thankful to be a dude when I watch stuff like this.

[Michelle]

Yeah. You know, I mean, I get it. You have to look good. You're on tv. There's all sorts of very complicated societal implications of how one presents themselves on TV with different. Talk about intersectionality, yada, yada, yada. I get all that. But also, you're out of money, so

[Bonnie]

Tick Tock is free. Even I know how to.

[Michelle]

Those girls do it themselves. Yeah. If, like, freaking, like, you know, like, if anyone. If anyone on. On Love island is. Can sit there in front of the mirror and do the whole process, you can do it, too. Like, we could save some money here.

[Bonnie]

And then hair. 1500amonth. Well, he gives her. He's like, more or less than 1500. And she's like, more, duh. He's like, okay, 3000. And then we get a bunch of her looks flashing up on the screen. And then he. She doesn't really answer that. So now he asks her about clothes. More than 5,000. And she's just like, okay, more than 7,000amonth. Kelly, we've seen your clothes.

[Michelle]

I mean, cost a lot of money

[Bonnie]

to look this cheap. Speaking of Dolly Parton, He's a famous Dolly Parton.

[Michelle]

Maybe we shouldn't have made fun of the fact that she's been wearing a T shirt in her interview. Look, we want her to cut costs, and here she is. She put on a T shirt. We should at least embrace that.

[Bonnie]

She made something that was like a Gucci T shirt. That was not.

[Michelle]

That's true.

[Bonnie]

That wasn't some just plain T shirt. I mean, if she was, like, rocking a Hanes and making it look like high fashion. Okay. But it's not like that was a Jeff T shirt.

[Michelle]

Remember when Sharon Stone showed up at the Oscars and she was just, like, wearing Gap? She was like, isn't this amazing? This is Gap. Everyone. Everyone's like, what? Do you remember that? Yeah, I have a distinct memory of that happening.

[Bonnie]

Michelle Obama was like, this is Banana Republic. And people like, what? And then Banana Republic is like, thanks, Michelle Obama. Now we're going to charge $250 for

[Michelle]

a shirt and famously, Ben and Ronnie have Watch our crap. It's been like, this is from Ross Dress for Less. So, hey, like, the point is we can always find ways. We can find ways around things. So then, then, then Johnny's like, okay, well what about your dog? And she's like, what? He's like, well, some of the, some of the expenses attached to your dog, we see 500amonth for dog wigs. She has a wig budget for Cha Cha.

[Bonnie]

I know that's supposed to be cute, but I'm just like, I'm feeling for you because you need the money. Okay, Come on. Cha cha wasn't even 500. Damn dot. Well, cha cha probably was. That's like a designer dog. By the way, Kelly's T shirt was a Tom Ford T shirt. I looked it up. So it's, you know, it wasn't.

[Michelle]

Thank you.

[Bonnie]

I guess it was reasonable. Okay. I know everybody was. Wait a minute, where was it from, though?

[Michelle]

Get Uniqlo. Like what I'm wearing right now. In fact, I'm wearing. This is a Uniqlo T shirt that's basically like a fake. What's it called? Buck Mason, you know, Or I'll say Buck Mason. Buck Mason's great.

[Bonnie]

They're not cheap either. Buck Mason.

[Michelle]

Well, no, I mean, well, that I have. I have like two Buck Mason shirts, but then I get a bunch of Uniqlos that look like Buck Mason. So you put in like one or two really good ones, but then you put in some like, you know, thirty dollar ones and you sort of like mix and match and, you know, no, no one will ever know. It's like, wait, was this the Buck Mason day? Was this a Uniqlo day? And. And in the confusion, in the haze, they just assume it's all glamorous, I hope.

[Bonnie]

Yeah, yeah, everyone's. Where is that cotton T shirt from on that guy? Yeah, guys are lucky in that regard. You know, give us a few cotton T shirts and like three pairs of pants, we're generally, we're fine. A couple button downs are okay, but still, this is stressing me out. So he's.

[Michelle]

He.

[Bonnie]

She agrees to settle on $8,500 a month on clothes. So that's crazy. So he's like, we're at 22,000amonth now. And she talks about how in her marriage she never had to worry about Bill. She was truly a housewife. And she didn't even know how to make a car payment. And she's never had to figure anything out about debt and stuff. And he's like, okay, so can we pull back on Cha Cha? And she's like,

[Michelle]

how dare you? Not Cha Cha. Not Cha Cha. Of all of all people in places. So, yeah, so now we go over to the point is that she is. She's just like, circling the drain of financial ruin. And it doesn't look like she's ready to make any sacrifices, as we'll see later on in the episode. Now we go to Nip and tuck. Plastic surgery. Very on the nose, pun intended for a plastic surgeon's office. And so we have K. Michelle, and she's meeting with Dr. Jones further a followup about her booty situation and the various pieces of plastic that are circulating within.

[Bonnie]

Yeah. And so they're talking about her butt again. And she jokes it's her 15th ass, but she's very traumatized by this one. And so they talk about like, how to fix your butt, basically. And then we go over to Angela's house, meet Kelly. I mean, not. Sorry. Okay, Michelle bringing a lot of talk. What else do you want me to say? So let's go to Angela's house.

[Michelle]

Okay. Angela's house. So Angela is with Amari, her daughter, her grown daughter. And there's tension between them. And so Amari's like, what's wrong? She's like, nothing's wrong. I just. I talked to Wendy. I mean, that's why I'm so faced right now. You know what they say, Happy hours, therapy hour.

[Bonnie]

It's Wendy o' clock somewhere. Am I right? So the main crux of this tension is that Amari got secretly married to her wife and Angela, you know, didn't know. And now Angela wants her to tell the children and Amari doesn't want to. To which I say that's Omari's business.

[Michelle]

It is.

[Bonnie]

It is a business because Amari tells us that this isn't just about getting married. This is also having, you know, now you have to have a talk with the kids about gayness and, you know, stuff that they don't really understand yet. And she doesn't know how they're going to react to that. And she can come out of the closet when she got down. What wants to Angela get another storyline? Geez.

[Michelle]

Well, it is, it is. It is Amari's choice and it's her decision about when. When she tells the kids. But also, like, I mean, there it was. I don't know, I had like a little bit of a weird reaction to this. Like, why are you like. Like in 2026. I don't know. It felt like it's all over TV, and it was on TV last year. Why are you suddenly, like, afraid to tell your little siblings? Like, don't you want to? Like, like, like, I understand if maybe it's a situation with, like, co workers or something like that, but, like, your little siblings tell them. You know, I. It was. It was surprising to me. And it's like, I don't know. I didn't understand why it was so shrouded in secrecy, in all honesty.

[Bonnie]

Well, there's obviously.

[Michelle]

I'm saying that.

[Bonnie]

Well, there's obviously still a ton of homophobia in the world and stuff like that, so I would get that. But you're right. You're on tv, and it's been the second year it's been on tv.

[Michelle]

So they're just like. It's. The thing is they're gonna find out no matter what. I think that's the thing. There's an inevitability that they're gonna find out, like, why. It just seems like such a strange thing to hide from the kids. I'm sorry. It really is to me. And I think, like, if you, like, you like, why you're getting. You got secretly married and then, like, it's out there, tell the kids they're gonna find out. You don't want them to find out from their classmates, you know, which is what's gonna happen.

[Bonnie]

Generally, I find that kids are the most accepting because they're the. You know, they have little brains that soak everything in. Kids are definitely a lot more understanding of things than adults are or, you

[Michelle]

know, a hundred percent.

[Bonnie]

Yeah, I don't know. That's everyone's choice to make on their own. And it's just weird seeing Angela push this on tv. And I keep thinking, well, maybe it's about something deeper than this. But it's not really, because Angela's like, we're going to talk to Wendy about it.

[Michelle]

But honestly, I. I get Angela because in my mind, Angela's like, okay, so you have this whole secret marriage, which is very hurtful to me, that you don't want to, like, that you, like, don't want to include me in this. You have the secret marriage, and now I've got a tiptoe. I've got to turn everything upside down for you to keep this secret that you don't like. What's even the point of the secret in the family? And I've got to turn everything upside down, and I gotta, like, sneak all around when this was kept secret for me, like, I have to Be your accomplice. Something I don't even want to be an accomplice in. So just tell the kids so we can all, like, have, like, a normal life. We can all sit around the table and have a nice time together. So I kind of understand why she's frustrated.

[Bonnie]

Well, they do sit around and around the table and have a nice time together because this woman that she married was. Is known as her best friend for years and years. So everybody already knows this woman. It's just. And they've. They obviously love and accept her already, but they don't know that she's. That Amari's a lesbian. And so that's the big conversation. So.

[Michelle]

Yeah.

[Bonnie]

And then Angela's making it. She's saying, you're. You're. You know, you want to be a kid, like, act like a little kid when you're in this house and not take responsibility, but then you want me to treat you like an adult when you're not in this house. And, I mean, I get. And Amari's like, I pay my own bills. And she says, okay. So she goes, okay. Angela's like, okay, but what do you call. I'm sorry, I'm stuttering. But Angela's like, okay, then what do you call it? And she says, yeah, it's super. I'm like, should we talk about this? But. But she. Some more. So Amore's like, well. Amari says, okay, well, I'll be grown, and then I won't come around anymore. Is that what you want? She like, that's not what I'm saying. I think Angela needs something to talk about, and I don't like that it's this.

[Michelle]

Okay, Bonnie. Right. Well, here's the thing. I. Yeah, she probably is airing this out because she needs to have a storyline. I do think that this is a little bit more compelling than Portia, you know, digging up some. Going back to the Dennis. Dennis pot to find some content. But Amari's explaining, by the way, Amari is wearing Ariana's dress in the confessional. I shouldn't say it's not Ariana's dress, but Ariana wore dress on Love island, this black dress that had, like, souped over and covered, like, one of her boobs from, like, behind. And like. Oh, yes. It was kind of like one of

[Bonnie]

those massage things that just kind of hangs on you.

[Michelle]

Yeah. And so I was like, wow. And then Amari wore it. So I was like, oh, this dress must. This. This could be the new Mugle look. So Amari tells us you Know, I'd be more like the. The producer. Asimari, what if you were married to man, Would you be okay telling the kids? And she goes, yeah, I would be more willing because that's the norm and that's normal in society. And you see that every day, and you see it in Disney movies. You see it everywhere. But maybe in a couple years, I'll tell them, like, so obviously, as gay men, we understand what it's like to be like, this is, like, it's a big talk and society, yada, yada, yada. But I just kind of feel like, you're on TV, the kids are gonna find out, and it's 2026, and I think, like, I think there's a lot of, like, LGBTQ representation, I feel like in Atlanta. And I just. I don't know, I just think that she should, at this point, tell the kids and be like, I'm married. And then just like, start them or start them young with the acceptance journey.

[Bonnie]

Yeah, that would be nice. But, I mean, everybody's on their own. Everybody has the right to do that on their own time, you know. But when I was a. When I was younger, you know, I've been gay forever, so when I was. When my cousins were very young, you know, they're two of my best friends now, and adults. But when they were very young, I made some comment in front of them like, oh, my God, that guy's so cute. And they're like, they, you know, it wasn't really anything. And my uncle was like, whoa, you can't talk to kids about stuff like that. I said, like what? Like, I didn't even think twice about it. And he's like, well, kids don't have an idea of sexuality yet. So you saying something like that opens up this whole conversation with kids. And, you know, you have to be aware of that. You know, he wasn't being mean. He was just like, you have to be aware of that around kids. And my response then was, I don't care if your kids are going to have a problem with it. That's your conversation to have. But they're going to see gay people. So, yeah, that's. Sorry. You know, it's not like I'm out there, like, talking about sucking dick or something in front of your kids. It wasn't anything sexual. It was just like, oh, that guy's cute. Or I made some gay comment. And, you know, then we had a long talk about it, and. And he was like, oh, I see. You know, I see that. Just while it sounds Like, I'm throwing my uncle under the bus. But yeah, to me it didn't, it was no big deal. But, you know, I understand that everyone

[Michelle]

has their own journey and agreed, like everyone has to come out the closet when they want to. But, you know. Yeah, I, I, I, it is, it is hard to see her catering to this idea that like, oh, talking about someone being gay might be like, too much for someone who's young. Because that's so antiquated, right?

[Bonnie]

Yeah.

[Michelle]

Young people are exposed to the lusts and desires of straight people from when they're like zygotes, right? It's all over tv, it's all over pop culture, as it should be. Of course, everyone's allowed to have like, express who they love and they care about, you know, that's all there. And it shouldn't be like a radical thing to be like, oh, no, we have to break it to the kids that they could also work in homosexuality. It should be like, it's all in the mix together.

[Bonnie]

Right?

[Michelle]

And so I don't love that that she's like, if, if that is one of her impulses. I don't love that for her as someone who is, who is 25 and is of Gen Z. And I feel like the Gen Z kids are pretty progressive about these things. And so like, that I think is a bit disappointing also. I think what's funny, I think the reason I started to think about, like, why am I, what am I really bouncing back on? Is that, or bouncing off of is that I feel like the, when you're coming out of the closet, the big talk is like, what's gonna happen with the elders? Like, are my parents gonna be mad at me? Are they gonna disown me? It's like you care about the people who've nurtured you all your life and you, you worry about getting rejected from them. But for the kids who me off, you better accept me. You're like, you're the little runts. You're like, I'm the older one here. You got to accept me.

[Bonnie]

My taxes pay for you to go to school. You little off.

[Michelle]

Okay, you want to ride, you want to ride to, to the store? You better accept my gay ways.

[Bonnie]

Yes. Okay. Yeah, I heard.

[Michelle]

You know, I understand like, having to like, really have some soul searching before you tell your parents, but for telling your like little, little brother and sister. Now, of course, I was the baby, so I've never been in that position. You were the, you were the older, older sibling, but I just sort of had this mindset like, no, no, no, no, no. I have enough. I have a hard enough time dealing with the parents. I'm not gonna.

[Bonnie]

Yeah, I was also 15. Oh my God. Like I was in musicals and you know, the community theaters and. But I was lucky because I also knew a lot of older gay people, so it wasn't as crazy to me. It was, you know, I had, I had a good examples, in other words. So, you know, I don't know, it's different for everybody. Like who knows what she's grown up with or what their family, you know. But I agree with you, you little kids, I'll be whoever the hell I want. You, you adjust to me. Justin.

[Michelle]

I know exactly.

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[Bonnie]

So now we go to Willie A. Watkins Funeral Home, and Phaedra's there with Willie, and she's like, I want to get back in business with you. When did you get out of the funeral business?

[Michelle]

I know, exactly. Wait, by the way, before we move on to this, was it in this scene with Amari, or is it in a future scene in the episode where one of the siblings who they're trying to shield from this news came lurking down the. The staircase and listened in on them.

[Bonnie]

Oh, God. Yeah, it's this. It's this one.

[Michelle]

So, yeah, there you go. Yeah, it is. It was this one. Yeah, Avon came down this. So there you go. See, Like, I just want him to look at the camera and be like, I already knew. So anyway, Phaedra's got it back into business.

[Bonnie]

Well, even without hearing most people, when you come out of the closet, they're like, duh. You know, that's like most people's reaction to gay people coming out, at least for me, because I was a big duh. But everyone's like, really? The only people who didn't believe me were. Was my mom. Well, the only person was my mom. I still don't know that she believes it. She's like, you're doing this to hurt me. I was like, really? That's a big step to Take to hurt you Nor. I'll just. I'll just hydra Franzia like every other time if I wanted to hurt your ass.

[Michelle]

So then we go to. So Phaedra is getting back into business with Willie Watkins. And then we go to the Milano D Rouge fashion show, which does not feature any Milano cookies, but it does feature Pinky's daughter walking, which she's really a breakout star of the season. And then we go to Shamia's house.

[Bonnie]

Already a total little diva.

[Michelle]

The way she poses, she is like. She's great.

[Bonnie]

Yeah. Somewhere else. And she has a whole nail salon in her house, apparently. Wow.

[Michelle]

Yeah.

[Bonnie]

And she's worth giving up your huge acting career for.

[Michelle]

So she and her mom are talking about going to Scotland and everything and making jokes about how the last big cash trip, Shamia's luggage took forever to arrive, so she had to borrow other people's clothing and everything. And she's saying how all the ladies are on her neck. And speaking of being on my neck, I haven't really been bothered with Angela. And it's just crazy because she invited me to. I think it's called Maggie Madness. It's like this Bailey Bowl. So basically it's this, the Bailey bowl, like, tribute to Angela's mom. And she's talking about how it's a field day, it's honor evangelist mom who passed. And she's like, I'm not gonna cause any drama because, you know, like, I know, you know, you know, you know, you're going. You've been going through with your health and everything, and this is an important thing. So I'm not gonna make a scene.

[Bonnie]

Yeah. How many annual things does Cynthia get, by the way? Because she has this. And doesn't she have the Lake Bailey Q or something?

[Michelle]

Yeah, she has the Bailey Q. She had. I don't know. Was there a period of time when she had an annual tryout for her agency or was that just a one time thing? It just feels like it was.

[Bonnie]

I think that was one. A one time thing. But you get one. I think you get one thing. You don't get two. So then we go to. That's my rule. So then we go to. And I'm gay, by the way. Tell your children. So then we go to Portia's house, and she's just, you know, having a conversation with her wigs, which I get. And Drew comes over, and now they're like besties. And Portia's like, guess what? I want you back in my business.

[Michelle]

Yeah. Drew also was like, by the Way I saw that you've been banned from Nigeria, Porsche's like, no, because my. My residency has been revoked, but I can still visit. But yeah, she is basically offering to Drew. She's like, I want you to. I want to be back in business with you. Even though it was only last year that she basically fired Drew from Go Naked Hair, but now she's decided that she's gonna offer Drew kind of like a vertical within the company because she already has, like, a Go naked for, like, Cynthia has, like, a wig line and everything. So we're gonna do a Drew.

[Bonnie]

She's. When she's talking about how her. How Simon's just trying to start with this Nigerian citizen citizenship stuff, she's like, I mean, I don't care. Every time he posts about me and tries to get negative and tries to get a lot of attention. We make a ton of money with Go Naked Hair. Last time he posted about made $50,000 in a day. How does that work? How is someone like, oh, God, Simon's. Simon's a jerk. I need some new hair. I'm going to.

[Michelle]

Hey, it's my. I think it's like the lover boy effect, how people started buying lover boy to support Kyle to be like, you know what? This is how we're going to make our impact.

[Bonnie]

Yes, I support you. It's like holding up your hair. I support you. This is for you, Porsche. Well, you know, so, yeah, she's gonna have Drew back in her business for Go Naked Hair. And Drew's like, well, you know, I really. You know, I'm so glad we're friends again, but I'm gonna have to make sure this is done right this time. I have a business manager like, oh,

[Michelle]

God, what could go wrong? I don't see this turning into a giant fight later on. Sounds like that very. That very professional group of people that you have around you. Drew will handle this properly, and there'll be no friction whatsoever with Por.

[Bonnie]

Yeah. The best part of this scene, I think, is learning how to properly eat a wing, because I didn't know.

[Michelle]

I loved this. I actually really needed this because I watched some people eat chicken wings, and they are just, like, clean bones, and I always have. I eat them like Drew, and I always have the little gristle on the end. And watching Porsche give, like, a little lesson. I'm like, this is this week's, like, big educational moment. Last week, I was all about the twirling spaghetti on my fork with a spoon. This week, it's about chicken wings.

[Bonnie]

Well, there you go. Now you know. Now you know. So Kelly goes to meet her realtor,

[Michelle]

Tamika, to look to downsize into a one bedroom apartment. Just kidding. She's gonna look at a townhome with an elevator.

[Bonnie]

Yeah, there's four stories. You need an elevator. These four story townhomes are like a thing now.

[Michelle]

Now.

[Bonnie]

And who's doing that?

[Michelle]

It's too much.

[Bonnie]

Go live on the top. And then what do you do when you forget something in your car?

[Michelle]

Oh, it's a nightmare. As someone who lives in a town home, it's a nightmare. The worst is too much. You're on the my. So I have a. My town home is. It's. It's a. It's a three story. A three story thing, but it's actually like. It's like an annoying three stories because the, the steps. The steps are supersized, so it's really like four stories, but it's only three stories. Anyway, the point is that if you're on the top, anyone who lives in a townhome knows this. The life of a town home, which is that you're upstairs and like, oh, shoot, I can't find my thing. I must have left it downstairs. You go all the way downstairs and it's not downstairs. And you realize, oh, wait, it's not here. Then you go back all the way upstairs. It's like, maybe it was here all this time and it's not there. So then you go down to the middle floor and it's not there. And then you go back down all the way to the bottom one and then you come back up and like you've done down so many flights of stairs to find a stupid pen. And it was right where you found, like you could have. It was right where you like were. It was like under a flap of the duvet and you're like, why? And your legs are killing you.

[Bonnie]

It just sounds like a nightmare because I forget things. I lose things all the time. I lost my phone. I went and got on an iPad to do a find my phone. The iPad wasn't connecting properly, so I had to go to the computer, go upstairs, go to the computer to do the find my phone. Guess where the phone was. In my pocket. It was in my pocket. I thought it was my wallet.

[Michelle]

Yeah. So four floors.

[Bonnie]

No, I didn't do it, but she does. And anyway, it's $7,000 per month, which is insane.

[Michelle]

Crazy.

[Bonnie]

That's a pretty crazy. It's like home mortgage.

[Michelle]

Was that. Is that a rental? It's a rental. Seven thousand on a Rental.

[Bonnie]

Yike.

[Michelle]

No lady.

[Bonnie]

And her budget is four. And so Kelly's like, well, wait, do you think financially I can do this? Kelly, why are you asking? So why are you asking the realtor what you can do financially? And honestly, Tamika is so nice because most realtors would be like, yes, you can do it. You got approved for the loan. Do it. Yes, you're doing it. Well, I'm a commission based person. Why are you asking me?

[Michelle]

Yeah, to make us, like, to be honest, I'm gonna keep it at 1000. You're just gonna have to suffer for a little while, okay? Like, you cannot live this way. Get some bunk beds. We're going to Ikea. We're gonna find you some bunk beds, and we're going to rethink our budget, okay?

[Bonnie]

Yeah. So Kelly talks about how difficult it is to downsize. How difficult it is. You know, we get it. Okay? So then we go to Angela's house and

[Michelle]

listen, we saw the Monica Garcia season of Salt Lake, okay?

[Bonnie]

And also your, like, other scenes in this very episode. I mean, one minute you're at the financial planner talking about spending eight grand a month on clothes, and the next minute you're like, can I afford this? No, no, you cannot afford Jervis.

[Michelle]

Well, say, hey, Jervis, could you. Could you get me a spot? Because honestly, $75,000, that is. That's basically 10 months of rent at this townhome. I just want to point out, as well, not nothing. So let's, like, let's get the priorities. Like, let's. Let's just rearrange the things that we want to focus on a little bit and get bunkers.

[Bonnie]

Okay? Now let's go to therapy with Dr. Wendy. Angela's got a full martini. Amari's got a full glass of wine.

[Michelle]

Let's do this. Party time.

[Bonnie]

Yeah.

[Michelle]

Dr. Wendy. I love Dr. Wendy, by the way. I love a crunchy therapist. I feel like they're not profiled enough on Bravo. A lot of the therapists that we see are kind of, like, made for TV therapists. We're, like, very excited to be on tv, but, like, I love that Wendy found, like, a, like, a crunchy, crunchy, crunchy therapist lady who feels like she should be in, like, Burlington, Vermont, but for whatever reason, she's down here in Atlanta.

[Bonnie]

Burlington, Vermont.

[Michelle]

So she had, like, dream catchers, you know, because we. We visited her last season with Charles, which is funny, too.

[Bonnie]

Oh, Wendy 100% has dream catchers.

[Michelle]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Lots of dream.

[Bonnie]

And, like, jute rugs.

[Michelle]

Yep. Tea kettle. Going, yeah.

[Bonnie]

Patchouli smelling

[Michelle]

bird feeder. Yeah. Okay. Stained glass. Things that spin in the wind. Yes.

[Bonnie]

All kinds of wind chimes. You know, her neighbor's like, oh, for how many wind chimes do you need?

[Michelle]

She's always walking down the street asking if anyone has anything that they need to compost because she's going to set up a composting thing. So Angela is FaceTiming and she's saying how since Amari is heading home soon, and she's like, you know, I didn't like the way our conversation ended, and I didn't want to become estranged from my daughter because I need my daughter and I want my daughter in my life. So she's not someone that I'm willing to throw away or that I'm willing to not talk to. So Dr. Wendy's like, so what would you like to get out of this today? Aside from getting faced, which evidently you're doing on my time? Thank you very much.

[Bonnie]

Yeah. And Angela's like, well, I want to make sure I talk about boundaries. And I want to make sure that I'm heard and that, you know, I'm here for her, but I want her to feel included. But I also want her to build a life for herself and not punishing me for allowing her to do that. What does that mean? And Amari's just kind of rolling her eyes at the camera with her glass of wine. She's like, whatever.

[Michelle]

Yeah. And Amari is telling us. She tells us, I. I mean, at

[Bonnie]

least fake it for the. For the therapist. That's where you're trying to get the therapist on your side. You know what I mean? That's where you should be. Like, what? I don't understand what my mom is talking about.

[Michelle]

Mari said, Mara tells us, I didn't understand why I had to tell my siblings. I didn't see how that was relevant, and I didn't see how that was making any progression in our relationship. Like, if I wasn comfortable enough to tell my mom, what makes you think I'm comfortable telling my siblings that?

[Bonnie]

Yeah. And so Wendy's like, well, does it make sense to you that that's what she wants? And she's like, no. I mean, you pushing me away or establishing your boundaries makes me feel like you don't need me. And I feel I just really need her to know I really need her now more than ever, you know, since we lost my grandmother. And so they talk about how it's the anniversary of her death.

[Michelle]

Death.

[Bonnie]

And Amari says that the grandmother used to be the Person that kind of relayed, you know, she got both of them so she could, you know, do the decoding for each other, the relationship.

[Michelle]

She was the. She was the mediator.

[Bonnie]

Yeah.

[Michelle]

And Dr. Wendy's like, well, there's such powerful relationships with your grandmother and your mom, right?

[Bonnie]

And.

[Michelle]

And then Angela. Angela and Amari start to, like, it starts to thaw a little bit. This was, like, bump shoulders. And Dr. Wendy's like, you know, as you. As you take a breath to let her go, how about, how do we want to with each other? So Angela's saying that she just feels like her mother being gone is playing. Had played a huge dynamic in her relationship with her daughter. And her mother was a mediator. It's just like. It's. It's just very, very difficult for them. But somehow this becomes Very positive. Dr. Wendy becomes the new mom, and she's like, angela, take a look in her eyes. Look her in the eyes and say, would you like to make a dream catcher with me? Because I'm giving courses for that. If you want to come by,

[Bonnie]

ask your mother this. Why does it smell like patchouli in here? Oh, God, I left that lit. So it was, I guess, nice because they hugged at these. But we still didn't really get to the crux of the issue, which is telling the kids and whether or not that's important, but they're. Whatever. So then we go to Bailey bowl, and Fangie presents Maggie madness. Did Nene title this?

[Michelle]

I was about to say, what was it? This is like the gays and girls, black and white seafood soiree and also

[Bonnie]

wear white, wasn't it? And also wear all white party.

[Michelle]

So Angela, she's telling us that, like, that they're throwing this party, this basketball thing, and she. Her mom loved college basketball. And then she tells Charles, well, I know you don't. I know you don't know a lot about basketball, but I can teach you. We're gonna have a ball. And he's like, whatever.

[Bonnie]

So everybody shows up with teams. Like, they all bring their friends and assistants and family or whatever and talk about how much they love basketball. And then Charles is gonna ref, as you said, And Cynthia is like, welcome to the second Bailey bowl. And also Angela's mom and fans, literally electronically fans at seafood and girls and games.

[Michelle]

So.

[Bonnie]

So she names. Oh, go ahead.

[Michelle]

Oh, no, you go ahead. You keep going.

[Bonnie]

I was just gonna say she names all the teams. Angela gets to name all the teams. And of course, gets, you know, as shady as she can. Pinky's Team Chatty Patty and Phaedra's the Godfather. And who else do they have here?

[Michelle]

Well, Shamia is Team Sasquatch. And, you know, of course, Shamia gets to have a classic Shamia moment that just lights the Internet. Or where she's like, I love basketball. I talk about basketball, but playing basketball, I mean, you know, dribble the ball a little bit, pretend to go through my legs, shoot, it might not make it in, but at least I shot my shot. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Shot o'. Clock. Aren't I hilarious?

[Bonnie]

So we go over the team's names and stuff, and Angela is saying that Kelly is always paranoid. What does she say? Oh, no. Kelly is Team Minion. Have you ever seen one of those Minion movies? Those are cute. I've seen the previews for them. They look really cute.

[Michelle]

I am surprised they did not cut in footage of the Minions here. Because remember, was it on Atlanta not too long ago when they said Minions and they just showed footage of the new Minion movie?

[Bonnie]

No, you don't know what summer.

[Michelle]

See, this is like, there clearly was a directive to include Minions in all these shows because there's a Minions movie coming out.

[Bonnie]

Out. Yeah. And then so he was doing, like, an Instagram post, like, you want to call me a Minion? Well, here's me and all my friends dress like Minions.

[Michelle]

You can't have an opinion without being a Minion. So K. Michelle's is her team. Is team like K Ops or Blind Ops? I'm sorry, Not Kops Blind Opposition.

[Bonnie]

Blind Ops thinks everyone's out to get her.

[Michelle]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. This goes on for about 20 minutes. The naming and the. Then the basketball. Pinky's team. Pinky's Team has. She's recruited. Maybe not the exact players I'd recruit for playing basketball, but, you know, hey, like, get. It's all about having fun. And they're all playing. They play. There's a lot of playing, a lot of cheering, a lot of fun, a lot of hilarity, a lot of heart, a lot of motions, and a lot of Minions tie in.

[Bonnie]

I like when Angela told Charles, she's like, do you know why I named her team Sasquatch? Because she said I have big feet. And he goes, well, I mean, everybody knows you wear big. And she gets. She gets upset. She's like, excuse you. And he's like, I mean, look, how are we supposed to walk around? How are you supposed to walk around wearing a six or seven? You'll fall over. So then they play.

[Paige Desorbo]

Play.

[Bonnie]

And they Play. And they play and it's fun. And I think it's one of those things, like skating last week, where you're, like, boring. But, you know, commenters, like, that was fun. You guys are jerks. Okay, like to talk about it? Yeah, a little bit. But I mean, to talk about it.

[Michelle]

It's not fun, so it's pleasant to watch. But what do you want me to say? They shot. They went for the ball, right? Like, Le Prince dribbled. I don't know. I mean, like, there's nothing to say. There's nothing to say. It was. It was a fun and game sequence to pad out the episode. Okay, we all know it. We all know it. So eventually, once all the basketball settles down, then all the women line up so that way they can have an end of the episode squabble.

[Bonnie]

So hilarious. They literally stand in, like, a semicircle. And Angela's angel's like, okay, thank you for coming to support my mother and my fans. And. Oh, yeah. Oh, Cynthia, let's fight.

[Michelle]

I know.

[Bonnie]

So awkward. Can we sit down somewhere? Can we order some French fries?

[Paige Desorbo]

Price.

[Michelle]

Sham. So where's Gerald? And Sham is like, he's working. It's a work day. And Pinky is like, well, she said we don't have any to do because we're just here. That's what she's trying to say. And Angela is like, well, I know Shamia, you mentioned that I was coming for your marriage and that, you know, that couldn't have been further from the truth. And Shamia's like, what are you talking about? Because you said that you saw Gerald out, you know, and so she's like, and I feel like you're spreading the narrative about me. And if we're talking about patterns. You were the one who said that you thought I set my husband up. Up, you know? And Shamia's like, no, that's not what I said. And then you're saying that you knew my husband and he was outside and all these things. Because, Angela, you were the one that said you're only with the Hawks so you can have early access, easy access to players, because you. All of them. So now that to me is coming from my marriage.

[Bonnie]

And she's like, and you never did you. Are you sure about that? It's like, oh, my God, please just bring for somebody. Okay? Bring them to me. You became relevant because your last name and because you an NBA player there, okay? And they're like, whoa, whoa. And Angela goes and married him. She's like, okay, Oakley. She goes But I married him. She goes, well, you had to him first. Right, but married him.

[Michelle]

But the patriarch goes, but it's usually how that works though, right? You usually first and then marry. Right. So came Michelle's like, in this moment, Angela, there's, like, a lot of things to worry about other than Shamia from our conversation. Your mother was everything to you, and Shamia is going to twerk and be a Shamia, so you can't do that.

[Bonnie]

It, yes, it's kind of, it's kind of a miss of an Angela episode for me. I'm not really sure. I'm not really buying the, like, we need to talk about my daughter's sexuality stuff. And now, like this standing in a semicircle at a thing you're having in your mother's honor to start fighting with someone about, you know, calling each other hoes and stuff.

[Michelle]

Yeah, I, I, I just, I think this is honestly just an example of, of the producers needed to fill out the episode order. And, like, we're just, like, biting time to get to Scotland. And I think this is like, I don't know how they fix it. I don't know how they fix it on the production end, because if you only have 13 episodes of content, but Bravo says we want 14 episodes, like, what do you do? How do you fix that? I think it's up to Bravo to start saying things like, okay, you only have 13 episodes. It'll be 13 episodes.

[Bonnie]

Yeah, I understand for the millionth time, normalize 12 episode seasons because, but, you

[Michelle]

know, it's, it's not about that specific number. But the point is that, like, Bravo may say, okay, we want, want a certain number of episodes. And your point is, right, like, we should just have shorter seasons in general. Just that way, every episode we have is a really strong one. But, like, I think we need to build in flexibility for these shows because sometimes they just don't have enough to get to that episode order. And we wind up with these, like, like perfectly fine episodes. But it kind of feels like it's kind of like episode extras that could be on, that could live digitally or on Peacock, and we could just get right to the meat of it, keep it, like, leaner and meaner.

[Bonnie]

I think that, well, Atlanta's done such a good job at coming back, you know, because they were down for a while, so they've done a really good job at coming back. But you can't just shove every season to be the, you can't make every season this long. And listen, Beverly Hills had the same problem Problem. You know, it's. A lot of them are having the same problem, and then you've got. Then you've got things like Rhode island, which is perfect. It's like. And granted, that's new, so it's going to get fewer episodes.

[Michelle]

But didn't feel like there was a filler episode in there. It was really. Yeah, it just. And I understand. I. I understand that, like, with the networks also, they need these seasons to be a certain length as well, because, like, one show leads into another. It sets up another franchise to come in. You know, as. As. As Atlanta goes out, a new show is going to take over its time slot. There's usually some overlap. They use it to launch other things. It's. It's like. It's way more complicated than just being like, oh, just make this one shorter. I get that. But I kind of feel like quality has to be number one. And if you. If you're sh. If your season has to be just, like, a little bit shorter, I think you should do that, because this. This episode, last, episode two, was, like, a little weak. I felt, too. And it's been, overall, a very, very strong season. So, like, how great would it be? Just have a super tight, wonderful season without any of the fluff.

[Bonnie]

Yeah. So Porsche's. And everyone's just standing there staring at each other, like, really? We're retreading this stupid fight at basketball. Like, come on. And Portia says, okay, so is there any way that we can just move forward? And Angela's like, I will never mention your name regarding Shamia again. Portia, that. And she was like, oh, hallelujah then. And she says, any issue I have for Shamia is how she shows up for me. And Porsche's like, yeah, you guys have more issues besides me. Why are you bringing me up? And she's like, no, like, it started with you in. In Nashville. And so Shami is like, andrew goes, that's true. And Shimmy is like, well, not you. I'm mening lap dog.

[Michelle]

Well, I mean, the lap dog is back. So Drew's like, well, I have to agree because you're issued. No, not you. I'm just saying. But when I agree with people against you, you call me a lap dog. And Drew's like, but your issue with me only started because of Portia. She was like, so what are you doing? Because I'm not even. I'm not even talking to you, even though I was actually kind of talking to you just now, but now I'm not talking to you anymore. I'M talking to her. And Cynthia's like, wait, what happened to you and Drew? I thought you guys were going to work it out. She was like, no, it's not a negative thing. I just don't want to be called a lap dog. She was like, well, we can't talk. There's, like, nothing to talk about. Like, when we tried to talk, she got up and left. It's like, ok, is what it is. Like, goodbye to you.

[Bonnie]

Well, I got up because you called me a lap dog again. Oh, God, Shamia. Jeez. Andrew's like, but you were being a lap dog. And Porsche's like, who? Wait, whose lap is she on? I'm sick of my lap. I'm. My lap is empty.

[Michelle]

So Pinky is like, okay, so, Shamia, are you good? And Shamia's like, I'm good. She goes, and you're good with you. And you and K are good as well. And she was like, wait, what? What? I have an issue with K. Because what Shamia doesn't know is that K now is back being upset at someone. Because last episode, you know, Kay was talking about how Sham had her. They were at the club, and Shamia put her hands on Kay's face, was like, I'm the only one who's willing to be friends with you. So Piggy's like, yeah. But Pinky realizes that as she says this, I believe. I think Pinky realizes, oh, this has not been broached yet.

[Bonnie]

Yet.

[Michelle]

And I'm not trying to start a fight between these two. So she's like. She kind of walks it back. She goes, oh, I just felt a little uneasy. I felt a little something between you two. I don't know. I have no idea. Was something up between you two? Okay, Michelle, would you like to take it from here, please?

[Bonnie]

And Pinky's like, I just feel a disconnect. I mean, I don't know. I don't know how to explain it. And Porsche is like, where? Because, you know, K. Michelle's like,

[Michelle]

I'm not doing this.

[Bonnie]

No, I'm not doing this standing in a circle. I mean, at least normally when I come to these things, I get fed, you know? And so she won't answer. And so Pinky's like, here. I feel the energy is here. Right? And Cynthia's like, okay, yeah, sure. It's a little disconnect. It's a little something something, but no one's playing. So it's just like,

[Michelle]

yeah. And K. Michelle is like, yeah, yeah, not you, Pinky. No, no, beef. Just Vegan. I feel like in the moment of the game, everyone's attacking Shamir for everything. And if I'm your friend, you're just gonna find out from me.

[Bonnie]

Yeah. So, I mean, good. Good for friendship, bad for a show. So Phaedra's like, okay, well, Angela, we had a great time, and I hope you feel your mom was memorialized in a positive way starting a war at your mother's memorial.

[Michelle]

Oh.

[Bonnie]

Oh, God.

[Michelle]

Shamia is like, this is so fake. This is so disingenuous. Like, why can't we write our wrongs? Why can't we nip things in the bud and move forward? I'm like, do you remember going to the coffee shop, the kebab place with Angela and coming in hot and calling her a Sasquatch? Because I don't know if you're the one to talk about, why can't we nip things in the bud after that?

[Bonnie]

Yeah.

[Michelle]

Why is it that when you address a problem with one person now, everyone wants to attach themselves to that problem and attack that person? I don't even know what I did wrong, dog. I get it. You don't want me to be part of the friend group. I get it. And it's hurtful, and it makes me not want to be part of the friend group.

[Bonnie]

Okay, bye. So Angela's like, well, let's just get on this plane to Scotland then. And they all cheers. And Shimia looks upset as she leaves, and that's that.

[Michelle]

Yeah, basically, they're like, we just needed to set up something to talk about in Scotland, and it looks like we've got it. Okay, it's about Shamia. All right, off to. Off to your Europe.

[Bonnie]

And that's that. All right, everybody, thanks so much for being with us. We will be back a little bit later with some Real Housewives of Rhode island reunion. Talk to you later. Bye.

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