#3432 RHOA S17E13: Kilt or Be Kilt

Summary

Watch What Crappens Podcast: #3432 – RHOA S17E13: "Kilt or Be Kilt" Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Date: June 29, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this spirited and hilarious recap, Ben and Ronnie break down a drama-packed cast trip episode of The Real Housewives of Atlanta (Season 17, Episode 13: "Kilt or Be Kilt"). The ladies travel to Scotland for Phaedra’s birthday, but any hope of a peaceful getaway is quickly dashed. From messy room assignments and suspicions about local Scotsmen to explosive confrontations about loyalty, rumors, and who’s investigating whom, the hosts revel in the chaos, calling out the Housewives' antics with their signature warmth, wit, and shade.

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Key Discussion Points

The Cast Trip to Scotland: Subpar Weather, High Drama

[03:50–04:47]

• The hosts note the trend of Housewives trips serving more as a backdrop for drama than bonding:
  “There has never been a vacation in the history of the Real Housewives that has ever brought any of the women closer together… these trips do nothing but tear you guys apart.” (Ben, 09:54)
• Scotland is met with skepticism (“This year we get to go to damp.”), with Housewives missing the sunny beaches of past trips.
• Phaedra’s “iconic” Trader experience is referenced as the pretext for choosing Scotland, but the vibe is more rain and old castles than sunshine.

Room Assignments & Scottish Hospitality

[10:40–13:54]

• The women arrive at Gilmore Thin House (built in 1650); Ben and Ronnie joke about American vs. European attitudes regarding haunted houses and old buildings.
• The hosts introduce Torgi, the “Scottish Beef” influencer-tour guide who instantly becomes the object of the Housewives’ collective thirst.
  • “He reminds me of Sterling K. Brown dipped in chocolate.” (Phaedra, quoted by Ben, 16:18)

Early Friction & Shamia’s Lapdog Narrative

[19:43–25:07]

• The group dynamics are quickly stirred up when Shamia questions her own position and Angela claims to feel under-supported.
• Shamia is (mis)accused of being a “lapdog” or “puppet master”—a recurring theme.
• Messy plotlines resurface: Kelly’s previous legal restraining order (headline read aloud), difficulties filming with children, and shifting alliances.

“Investigation” Allegations: Angela vs. Shamia

[25:54–39:01]

• Angela is accused of digging for dirt about Shamia, leading to rumors about her possibly sleeping with NBA players and, bizarrely, a neighbor named George.
  • “Girl, did you [bleep] George?” (Angela confronting Shamia, 33:03)
• Cynthia offers sardonic commentary:
  • “So the bodies that Angela is putting on Shamia, like, what happened to the Hawks and the Falcons? How did we get to George from that?” (Cynthia, 33:01)
• Shamia’s attempts to shade Angela for her shoes and pants are highlighted as a missed opportunity for a legitimate comeback.
• The hosts joke about how little support Shamia gets from the group even as she’s unjustly accused—“that actually speaks to the fact that she must be very annoying in person” (Ben, 40:35)

Receipts, Texts, and Vindication

[41:12–46:27]

• Shamia receives a text from George’s wife Ashley, who confirms Angela’s rumors are fabricated.
• Angela clumsily tries to walk back her claims, defending her “investigations” while the rest of the cast and the hosts delight in how wrong-footed she is.
• “Wouldn’t this count as an investigation on Shamia’s end? Just saying.” (Ben, 42:21)

Confrontations: Hurtful Remarks and a Demand for Apologies

[53:13–65:20]

• Angela raises a new grievance: Shamia allegedly said to her daughter, “You’re a lot nicer than your mom” at a basketball game.
  • The hosts agree this is actually a real reason to be upset, and that Angela fumbled by leading with the George rumor instead.
• Shamia admits to making the rude comment but justifies it as retaliation for Angela’s earlier digs.
• “You overstepped a boundary. So I understand if you and I go back and forth, but don’t include my daughter.” (Angela, 64:52)

Lesbian Confessions and “Mall” Tangents

[61:04–63:48]

• The ladies, prompted by talk of Portia’s new romance, open up about their experiences with women, with K. Michelle recounting a dramatic “life wife” breakup.
  • “Enough of the gayness. I want to be straight again.” (K. Michelle, 62:41)
• Ronnie goes on an extended “mall store” tangent via K. Michelle (“Every time you call Shamia, she’s at somebody’s store... that girl’s in, like, a rounder if I ever seen it.” 38:35)

The Great George Debate & “Receipt Theatre”

[65:39–66:54]

• Pinky reads Ashley’s text exchange aloud, definitively shutting down Angela’s rumors.
  • “Let the record show that Angela Oakley's allegations are pure baloney. I rest my case.” (Phaedra, 68:38)
• With exhausted logic and contradictory timelines, Angela continues to defend herself, but group consensus solidifies against her narrative.

Dinner: Faux Peacemaking and Some Genuine Healing

[70:06–72:15]

• Amidst dinner at Bonnie Badger, a Michelin-starred restaurant, the group tries (again) to call a truce after the host’s gentle scolding:
  • “At the end of the day, we know things have to be discussed, then we just have to move on... please... This is a nice restaurant.” (Unattributed, 69:45)
• Portia and Kelly make up over shared struggles with divorce and motherhood.
• “Portia and Kelly officially make up again. And everybody's like, isn't this so beautiful? And then Portia's like, y' all need to go to your rooms and masturbate and sleep well tonight.” (Ronnie quoting Portia, 71:43)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Housewives trips:

• “There has never been a vacation in the history of the Real Housewives that has ever brought any of the women closer together.” (Ben, 09:54)

On haunted houses:

• “You know, there’s a bunch of scarlet fever deaths. Just like... the girl from Downton Abbey deaths.” (Ben, 11:51)

On Shamia's attempt at drama:

• “At this point, I want the heating pad to be the eighth housewife on the show, not Shamia.” (Ben, 08:10)

The George rumor escalation:

• “Girl, did you [bleep] George?” (Angela, 33:03)
• “He donated to breast cancer, for Christ’s sake.” (Shamia, 34:37)

On group dynamics:

• “I don't follow Shamia. Shamia's hurt me. And she spends all her time at the mall. And then it's like, how dare they make fun of Shamia. She has a family.” (Ben, 40:12)

On failed defenses:

• “Your Honor, let the record show that Angela Oakley's allegations are pure baloney. I rest my case.” (Phaedra, 68:38)

On restorative late-night bonding:

• “All this time I stayed quiet... you fight so much. And... when I was like this, like I got this capacity and like, you don't have a lot left in you, right? It’s just like hard...” (Kelly, 71:43)
• “And then Portia's like, y' all need to go to your rooms and masturbate and sleep well tonight.” (Ronnie quoting Portia, 72:15)

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Timestamps: Important Segments

• 03:50 — Start of RHOA recap; trip to Scotland and Real Housewives trip tropes
• 10:40 — Arrival in Scotland, castle “death history,” room assignments
• 16:08 — Introduction of tour guide Torgi, and Housewives swooning
• 19:43 — Early conflicts arise; Shamia’s “lapdog” drama
• 25:54 — Angela vs. Shamia, “investigation” sparks major confrontation
• 33:03 — George rumor explodes ("Girl, did you [bleep] George?")
• 41:12 — Shamia receives Ashley’s vindicating text message
• 53:13 — Angela accuses Shamia of shading her daughter
• 61:04 — Lesbian confessions and “mall” tangent
• 65:39 — Receipt theater: texts from Ashley read aloud, Angela cornered
• 70:06 — Dinner, peacemaking, and group hugs (allegedly)
• 71:43 — Late-night make-ups: “y’all need to go to your rooms and masturbate...”

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Podcast Tone & Style Notes

The recap is snarky, quick-witted, and affectionate—Ben and Ronnie tease the Housewives (and each other) with references that range from Bravo in-jokes to classic sitcoms and spontaneous mall-store stand-up routines. They maintain a clear love for both the show and the genre’s messiness, peppering the discussion with spot-on impressions and sidebars that deliver as many laughs as the episode itself.

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Summary Takeaway

This episode of Watch What Crappens perfectly captures the delightful absurdity of Housewives group trips—where no amount of plaid, vegan haggis, or luxury castle accommodation can prevent chaos. The hosts’ breakdown turns even the most convoluted, petty conflicts (and green-bearded George rumors) into must-hear comedy, all while highlighting the underlying search for real connection and catharsis that keeps us coming back to Bravo’s best mess-makers.

Transcript

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Hello and welcome to Watch what Crappens, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker and joining me today, today is the one and only Ronnie G. Hi Ronnie. How is it going?

[C]

Well, hello Bans. Good. What's going on with you?

[B]

Not much, you know, just excited to kick off yet another week here on Watch for Crap Ins. What is there to say? It was a fun weekend. Lots of good TV happened over the weekend. Love island was completely bonkers. House the Dragon also another strong episode and today we're talking Atlanta. House the Dragon will be, well, like, like last week. We'll have it up probably tomorrow and today it's Atlanta and later on Rhode Island. And then we also have our Amazon Live. Thanks to everyone who joined us last week for our two prime day episodes. Today we are back at our normal time and schedule which is of course at 1:30pm Pacific Time, 4:30 East Coast Time. Come join us. We are going to be talking about some stuff. I'm going to be giving a full report about the lamp I bought last week. So that's not going to be if that's not enticing. Oh you are that's fun.

[C]

Be making peanut butter chocolate chip cookies.

[B]

Lucky I'm going to be sitting here without cookies. I'll be holding a lamp. By the way, it was really funny. I like took a picture of the lamp that I bought and I went to send it to you. Like, check out this lamp. It looks amazing. And I sent it to a totally random person instead. So yeah, that's what happens.

[C]

Oh yeah, I never got a lamp picture. What the hell?

[B]

I know cuz I, I realized I, I sent it to, I sent it to someone else entirely and she was like, okay, well damn, I'll send it to you. I'll text it to you.

[C]

Might as well call me Sheena, because I just got robbed.

[B]

You did. Okay, let's talk about Real Housewives of Atlanta, shall we?

[C]

It's time for the big cast Trips of Atlanta. Season 17 Episode 13 kills Chaos and reads.

[B]

Yes, Kills chaos and reads. Well, of course, by the way, brand new newsletter is out courtesy of ronnie. It's on patreon.com watch for crappens. Free to all. You don't even have to be a Patreon member. But if you are a member, you also get access to our video ad free listening weekly bonus episode. Last week we did a trailer breakdown of the new Orange county trailer, season 20, which is going to premiere next week. So check that out. Also, by the way, we have a great YouTube channel, so be sure to subscribe to it because we put up all sorts of clips and fun stuff there. So anyway, back to the matter at hand, which is kills chaos and reads in Atlanta in Scotland. So we're headed there to Scotland. That way Porsche and Phaedra can relive their Traders experiences, this time with the entire cast of Atlanta.

[C]

You know when one of your friends goes to like, let's say Italy or something and then they come back and then you're gonna go maybe one time and they're like, oh my God, you gotta go here and you gotta go here and you gotta go here and you go to the places and it's like some shitty little pizza place at an airport. But because they went there, it's so exciting in their minds that they make everybody else go there. That's what these trips to Scotland are like. Like, I'm glad you had fun. Why do I have to come? Because you were on Traders. That was one of your memories. You know, I don't make you like hide M M's in your belly button and eat them in the middle of the night to get some sadistic joy. That you tricked everybody. Because that's what I enjoy.

[B]

I just have to assume that maybe Scotland is giving some sort of, like, subsidized travel to NBC. Peacock at this point. Yeah. Like, bring your people over for free.

[C]

I just like this guy. So they go over to Scotland, and they're like, ew, the weather's gross. When is it sunny? They're like, it's Scotland. Like, yeah. But literally half our clothes are bikinis. So, like, really?

[B]

This is like, last year we got to go to the Caribbean. This year we get to go to damp. But, I mean, I would love to go to Scotland. I would love, love, love to go. But you can just sort of see they're like, oh, great. I think, like, a lot of the Real Housewives, they love when they get to go to, like, sunny locales for their vacations, not cloudy ones. I don't even know when this was filming. Was this filming in. What was Atlanta filming, you think? I don't know.

[C]

I don't think Tabs. I don't think I've actually enjoyed this.

[B]

No idea when it was filming. Probably the fall. Anyway, Pedro saying that she loves Scotland because the Traders, because I had a wonderful experience, and it was very iconic. So then we see, like, one of her great moments of her saying to Peter, what you might have forgotten, Peter, is that this is not the Bachelor, and I don't have to kiss your ass for a rose. I was like, ah, the glory days.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Portia, however, she's a dust cloud.

[C]

I just got red. Okay. And then Portia was on, too, and she's like, portia was also on the Traders, and it wasn't the same experience. It's like, hi, Portia. Bye, Portia.

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Hey.

[B]

Poor Portia. So Portia is like, she's gonna make the best of this experience because also,

[D]

she says, it's for my girl's birthday

[B]

because it's Phaedra's birthday, and so they're going to celebrate in Scotland. So they all arrive. It's 56 degrees in Scotland and rainy. And the driver's like, this is normal weather for here. And then Shamil's like, I'm a little bit nervous about going to this cold climate. I want to make sure I don't get cold. And then she, of course, has a giant heating pad that she puts on her lap because she's wacky and full of prop comedy. She's the Carrot Top of Atlanta in her confessional.

[C]

She's like, I'm not going to get cold. This is my heating pad. I could Put it on my lap. I could throw it on a chair. Look, I'm skiing on a heating pad. You're trying harder than the heating pad.

[B]

I know. At this point, I want the heating pad to be the. The eighth housewife on the show, not Shamia.

[D]

So

[B]

the feeding pad is like, I. I may be flat, but I'm also hot because I'm a heating pad. So Phaedra is saying that. She's like, scotland's the perfect place.

[C]

I may seem like a warm person, but I'm always coiled.

[B]

Just because I can heat you up doesn't mean I'm not cold.

[C]

Please keep me out of Shamia scenes.

[B]

I may. I may get into bed with you, but I'm not a. I don't know. Heating pad. You got to work on that one.

[C]

Let's stop slit shaming heating pads while we're at it, world. So Kelly asks, are there black people in Scotland? Maybe. Is there a hood in Scotland?

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And Angie. What?

[C]

I was just saying I don't know.

[B]

Oh,

[C]

I literally don't know.

[B]

Druids. So Angie says that they are in the land of the traitors. She. She says, this is freaking frack spot. And so Pinky is like, I pray that Scotland. That we're catching a new wind, and all the ladies can kumbaya and really just do a hard reset. The group needs to fil friend bankruptcy. Okay, Pinky, one thing that you and many others before you have to know is that there has never been a vacation in the history of the Real Housewives that has ever brought any of the women closer together. Even faux moments of solidarity, like on this very show when Cynthia Bailey had everyone cast little flames into a river or something. I think it may be in Greece. It's all fake. And these trips do nothing but tear you guys apart. And you just have to accept that

[C]

that's what they're made for. Get with it. I love that Pinky just knows her role on this show, and what she's gonna do is she's gonna say the lead. The ladies need to get along, and she's gonna mention bankruptcy and. Or veganism. That's it. That's all she's gonna do. Like, Pinky, could you introduce Scotland? Well, I'll tell you what. It. It better not be Scott Meatland, because I'm not having it.

[B]

Is there vegan haggas? So they arrive at Gilmore Thin House, which was built in 1650, and it's like a big old house. It's very. It's like the trader's castle. But it's not. Which, by the way, nothing says going to bring the group together than recreating the vibe and experience of the traders. So Cynthia is like, it's super fabulous, but it definitely gives one of those places where a bunch of rich people come and then somebody gets murdered. Well, I was like, the good news is there are several people who are not rich on your cast that are here. So we're already bucking against the trends.

[C]

Yeah. I find it funny that in America, they have to put it in the contract, like the house contract. If somebody has died in that house, like, that's a thing, you know? At least in some states, they have to report it because people are so afraid to be somewhere that people have died. And here you're going to some places from 1650, like, thousands of people have died there.

[B]

Oh, my God. Just like. Like, generic deaths, too. Consumption, you know?

[C]

Yeah, I was gonna say, is there like a black plague warning on the real. On the realty, you know?

[B]

You know, there's a bunch of scarlet fever deaths. Just like. Yeah, the girl from Downton Abbey deaths,

[C]

You know, there's all kinds of going on there. And in America, we're like, that house is more than 20 years old. If somebody's died there, I won't even go in. That's ridiculous. And here, like, it's 1650. We used to burn witches in this living room. Have a good evening. By the way, there's no central air or cable. Okay.

[B]

Well, it's like the Real Housewives themselves. If you're, like, 31 and you're being like. You're being like a total. It's like, okay, you know what? Shut up. But then if you're, like, 48 to 74 and being a total on these shows, it's like, icon amazing. So once you age into it. Once you age into it, then we love all the bad.

[C]

Yeah. Once you age into it, it's like, oh, my God, did you hear what happened in your bedroom?

[B]

It's 10 people died here, but it was, like, centuries ago, so it's amazing. It's haunted.

[C]

Botulism. Botulism hit this capital, this castle. It was ugly. God, they've really gotten good with carpet cleaners, haven't they? Oh, yeah. We haven't changed this since everyone got botulism all over the carpet. Why would you. It's a classic.

[B]

God, it must suck to be a ghost that's stuck in, like, a 1984 ranch home or something like that split level ranch. It's like, what I want to Haunt a. I want to haunt like a giant mansion in Scotland. It's like, sorry, you're just going to, you're just going to haunt this suburban tract home until it actually gets demolished and then you're just going to float around the neighborhood. That's the best you can do?

[C]

Yeah. Cuz our ghosts, I feel like our ghosts over here are so boring and they're just mean. You know, everyone's like, oh my God, a ghost is like chasing me or it's trying to kill me. And I feel like ghosts over there are like, welcome to the house. That's the needlepoint section over there. That's the botulism carpet. Just make yourself comfortable.

[B]

They're all casting judgment on us over there. They're all sitting around be like, oh, look, more Americans coming to visit. They all have British accents.

[C]

The new go dead. So they talk about, and there is a black Scott here and they're trying to decide whether or not he looks like Idris Elba. And the producer asked Kelly, does he remind you of a certain ex Idris Elba? She was like, hell no. He's a nice looking African American buff man. He ain't nowhere near no Idris. Like, did you say African American? Because he's Scottish. She's like, black is black. We're all the same. Never.

[B]

So then there's a lady up on like a balcony who is like going to town on a bagpipe. And Cynthia's like, do you hear that banjo? She's, she's just projecting deliverance onto this place. And then Shamia gets out and starts like doing Shamia dancing to the, to the bagpipe, of course. And Shamia's like, you know, now she's dancing in her confessional and she's like. I was like, okay, I feel Jesus in this place. Okay, I hear you, God. I'm like, oh, Shamia, stop. Okay, so then this guy's name is

[C]

trying harder than the bagpipe lady. The bagpipe lady is like the opposite of a black Scott. She is the widest lady ever. She's like, all right, we're ready to get down with some bagpipes, ladies.

[B]

She is having the time of, give

[C]

me an ipod, get me an Alexa that can just Play. Play some 80s pop music at this point. I get that we're going with the theme here, but get out lady.

[B]

So we have Torgi. Torgi is our tour guide. I mean, it's in the name basically. And he is actually like a famous, I guess, influencer. His whole thing is that he is a Black Scottish guy and he's also buff and handsome and hot. So he has a big following and so everyone's like, oh, hello.

[C]

Yeah, they call him Scottish Beef on Tick Tock. He's at Star Boys Obers Fitness. So it's a good way to get a butler. Go to the gym.

[B]

New follow coming in soon. He's hot. He really is hot. And the accent is like, it's really charming on him. So he is there and they're all like, wow. So they are all fawning over him as is. I imagine a lot of the audience and Pinky is like, he's fine. Don't tell my husband. I was like, oh. Shamia is like, I have followed Torgy for quite some time because I didn't even realize that they had black Scots. But seeing him in the flesh and around these women, oh my God. So Pedro's like, he reminds me of Sterling K. Brown dipped in chocolate. The point is that they're all basically salivating over Torgi and it goes on for a little bit.

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So then Portia and Phaedra go check out the house to see what the best rooms are and stuff. And she's like, this is like the trader's house. And it kind of gives like that white ghost that comes out at night. Like, I think this is the best place for everybody. So they look at bedrooms and Torgi saves the best for last. But the first bedroom is also really big and nice. So at the table, the other ladies are talking about who was in whose car. And Kelly's like, oh, Cynthia, what'd you find out from Phaedra and Portia in your car? She's like, well, I wasn't able to get much, but expect the unexpected.

[B]

So that'll be a big brother.

[C]

Yep, that's big brother Cynthia. Wrong game show Cynthia.

[B]

So Pinky is talking about Shimmy. Asks Pinky how her movie is coming along. This is actually funny because Shmia's like, hey, how's the movie coming? And Pinky's like, oh, it's going good. We finalized the budget and we're gonna move forward with Shamia being Trina, one of the main characters on the show. So I'm like, did Shami already know that? Was she setting her. Setting up like her own flowers? There was this. Was this. I mean, why would Shamia say, hey, how's that movie going? Oh, it's great. We've decided to go forward with you. Unless this was a typo. Unless accidentally this was not Shamia who said it, but it just feels weird that Shamia would set up Pinky to announce that Shamia got the role in her in her TV show.

[C]

So she's like, oh, my God, thank you. Thank you. Emmy incoming. And Angela's not cheering. And everybody else does. And Angela's like, well, I think we should all do a cameo.

[B]

And they're like,

[C]

yeah, you're not getting in on this. Shamia has worked hard for this. Did you not just see her prop work with a heating pad in the confessional?

[B]

Yes. Okay.

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She.

[B]

She put in her time at Stella Schmadler. Okay, so everyone's. Angela's like, Aiming for this cameo. Honestly, you probably have more success just doing an actual cameo than trying to have a cameo on Pinky's project. Yeah.

[C]

And Pinky's like, you can stream it on whatever platform will be on. So thank you and good night. Well, there you have it.

[B]

Yeah.

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So they're joking that, like, Phaedra should be in it because, you know, and then. And because that'd be funny. And she could play an attorney. And Pinky's like, but. Oh, and she's your attorney now, right, Kelly? And Kelly's like, yes. Although the judge signed off on. You know, I do have all major decision making. I can't film with my daughters. So Phaedra reach out to me and actually offered her services. So if you're wondering why my daughters aren't here in Scotland, that's why. It's because my ex won't allow me to bring them to Scotland to film

[C]

when my kids are in Scotland. So she talks about how grateful she is, and Drew's like, did I hear that you say you moved to. And she's like, well, I did, you know, because after that whole situation with the neighbor, let's not even talk about it. It was crazy. She was stalking me. She was. She was basically stalking me. And don't Google it. Don't Google it. But if you do, you're going to see that the first thing that pops up is HOA TPO temporary protection order. And we see the headline, Kelly Pharrell hit with temporary restraining order after allegedly breaking into neighbor's home and being physically restrained as she speaks out.

[B]

So Kelly is like, thank God Shamia allowed me and my girls and my dog, my turtles and my new teeth to. To stay in her town home. Thank you so much. And Cynthia is like, well, just so you know, we've all been through it. You are not alone. For instance, Portia sort of had the storyline last season when she wasn't allowed to film with her kids. So we. We understand where you've been through, so please don't hesitate to call on any of us. We may not answer, but feel free to call.

[C]

Yeah. Cynthia's like, girl, if I could just tell you all the times that I've gone to my hoa's home and physically attacked them. Yeah, I haven't done that. I haven't done that. But it's a good story.

[B]

It's a. It's a good story.

[C]

And Kelly's like, well, you know, thanks. It's just really hard to be vulnerable, because the moment that something happens, it's like, throw it back in my face. And Angela's like, well, I agree, but it's a little hypocritical because I'm the least represented here. I have the least support at times here.

[B]

Angela's ready to make a scene, by the way. Can we walk that back a little bit? When has Kelly been vulnerable and it was thrown in her face on this show? I don't seem to really remember that actually ever happening. Unless I'm forgetting.

[C]

Is she. She has talked about her marriage, and then her husband has, like, sued and said, oh, like, he's defaming her and stuff. So she's like, I'm trying to. I think that's what she's saying. It's like, I'm trying to be vulnerable on the show. But then that's. Anything I say gets pulled into court.

[B]

Oh, okay. Because I took it that she was saying that it gets thrown back by the other women, which is clearly how Angela took it as well, because she's like, what are you talking about? You've got. You've got allies. I don't have allies. And Pinky is like, what are you talking about? You're. You're not represented. And they're like, yeah, what are you. What are you saying? She's like, well, I don't have people chiming in on my behalf, which is not totally true, because Drew is there. And Drew actually jumps in right now. Andrew's like, well, I may try to be an advocate for her. You know, I try to be. I try to help her, you know, to maybe get you guys understand what she's saying, because I think it's no secret that we have each other's back when it's necessary. And, you know, Shamia was losing her mind because Shamia hates that Drew called her a lap dog. And here's Drew basically saying, yeah, well, I will. I will. I will do. I will advocate for Angela so that way you guys understand her more. But I'm not a lap dog.

[C]

Yeah. And Kelly's like, well, let me just say this to Angela. Even when I had the event at Williams Sonoma and that situation transpired, and we see a flashback of that messy guy being like, cheers. If your name is Angela and your husband's cheating on you.

[B]

He sure said it.

[C]

I don't like that they even showed his face again. I think they should have just, like, shown him blurred out.

[B]

Yeah. She says, I made sure that individual was taken out immediately. So I just want to Let you know that I still protect you. And she's like, no, because that's not true. Because you immediately said you thought I had something to do with it. She's like, well, did I think it's weird? I mean, absolutely. And Angela's like, whatever. So now they go on a little tour. I don't know.

[C]

I still think you look kind of guilty for having that guy show up at your event so comfortably and just walking up to everybody. So I don't know about this whole. I was there to help you. I was there to save you. And Kelly's like, well, did I think it was weird? Yes, I did. And now we see room tours, and there's some rooms that have a shared bathroom. And so Portia and Phaedra are like, wow, those people need synergy. And Phaedra's like, no, let's put people by each other that don't like each other.

[B]

Yeah. So back at the tips.

[C]

By sharing a. With somebody.

[B]

Yeah, always back at the table, and they're still talking about this guy. And so Angela's like, well, for anyone to assume that I did it, that was blasphemy. Cynthia's like, well, why would you do it? It's always the why for me. The why. That's. That's how we felt many times when you were married to Peter Thomas. Why? Why, Cynthia?

[C]

The why of it.

[B]

The why for us.

[C]

Shamia says, well, when we were in Nashville, you came out yelling at the pool, Charles. Charles. And Angela's like, no, no, no, no. That's not what I said. And. And shimmy is like, am I lying? Did she say that? Natural's like, let's talk about that,

[D]

Charles.

[C]

She said. I said, I don't know. Angela. I've never met Angela. I've met Charles several times. That's it. And what you did. She's like, I work for the NBA, and you know that because you can't stop talking about me in the NBA. But what do I want to talk about, Angela, is why you feel the need to try and investigate me so bad. I've had two people come up to me at my workplace, and you don't need to look at her for validation. Stop looking at Drew, and you don't need to do all that. And this is the shit I'm talking about. And two people came up to me in my place of work and asked me, what's wrong with you and Angela? What work? Well, what work is she talking about?

[B]

What workplace? And also, like, is that why? Is that investigating? I mean, I feel like if there are people who, like, you're a public Persona, and if people know Angela and they know that. That you guys aren't getting along, and you guys haven't been getting along for a while, I don't think that's like, I. I think it's messy on those people's parts. I don't think this is like, oh, Angela's investigating you, Shamia, and she's having minions go and down across the city. Like, that's such a, to me, an overblown situation. I think it's probably. Angela talked to some people. I was like, oh, yeah, Shamia's the worst. She's messy. She probably slept with half the NBA people. And then, you know, messy people go and, like, find Shamia at whatever this quote, unquote, workplace is and are like, what's going on with you, Nan? Because people do that all the time. People try to start between people all the time. And, like, that's just people being messy. I don't think it's like Angela, like, hatching an investigation into you, Shamia.

[C]

Well, it also depends on where she's working, because. Is she talking about the radio show? Doesn't she do that? Radio show? So if people are coming up to you at the radio show, it's because they interview all these people. So they're like, oh, this is the gossip of the year. You have a problem with Angela. So I don't know. But this is not an episode to stand up for Angela either, because Angela does some crazy shit in this episode. It's like, what the hell?

[B]

Really messy.

[C]

So Angela's like, anything I want to know, I can know on my own. I don't need any help. And she's like, well, then why do you keep digging? So Phaedra and Portia come back down while they're still arguing, and Jimmy is like, this lady's calling around to everybody saying that she's seen me photographed with that she knows and asked them, do you have any dirt on Shimmy? Oh, she. She goes around to anybody I've been in a picture with and was like, do you have any dirt on Shamia? Do you have any dirt on Shamia?

[B]

And Shmi is like, so then Shamia does this whole, like, well, I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, blah, blah, blah. She does this whole sort of, like, performative, you know, famous, famous prayer. And then she's like. And I. It just is like the way. The way that Shamia grates on me and it's. It's so it's so impressive how much she grates on me, especially considering I was very pro Shamia last season. The way that switch up happened for me, the 180 is kind of. It's like shocking. I just. I feel like every interview is just so try hard. It's like, do you think that she'll get another season after this? Because I feel like this is a common sentiment among the viewers.

[C]

I have no idea. I don't. She'll probably say she quit. She can't take it because she's already doing the, like, the rounds of oh, it's so difficult with everybody against me and I can't do anything and everybody's coming for me all the time. Make me look like the villain if you must. Make me look like. And here's the thing. I mean, Shamia has some, I think, solid gripes here with Angela. Angela's acting looney tunes, at least from what we find out in this episode. And Shamia still is obnoxious enough that people don't go against Angela just like, whatever.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So Phaedra saying, who is they? And Shamia's like, they asked me not to say. And Angela's like, we'll put it on the table then. Okay. No, tell them how I'm friends with those people. Go ahead. She's like, oh, yeah, he gave money to your event last year, Angela. So that's how you know he knows me, and that's why I don't respect you. So now we're getting somewhere. And Phaedra's like, well, does she have any dirt on you? And Angela says, well, you just claimed this to be an investigation. She goes, well, I know you're asking around, and I would like for you to stop. Well, me asking George. Oh, come on. I can't even talk to George anymore. So here comes George into the conversation.

[B]

So this is George. He was the guy we saw earlier this season. This, like, lawyer who has the green beard. And Angela is like, george and I have seen each other in the company of Shamia. That's my neighbor. And when I speak, when I spoke to my neighbors, I just wanted to make sure it was okay to bring up Shamia's name. And I can't even go to my HOA meetings anymore because anytime I speak to my neighbors, it's an investigation.

[C]

So. So Angela goes up to the. I'm seeing if I have a picture in here because I took one and I was cracking up. So she goes to the neighbor George, who is like one of those get. Did you get in a car crash, call George like he says. And because he brought a big, you know, publishers, publisher Clearinghouse style check to Shamia as a donation. Now Angela is making it sound like Shamia him for that donation.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So Shamia's like, go ahead. I know you've been asking if I've been George. And she's like, well, I'm sorry. I know George. Okay.

[B]

Yeah. So Angela is trying to get this whole thing with George and Shamia, and then. Which we find out, like, making me laugh so hard.

[C]

And she goes, girl, what? Just say what's on your mind.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

And Angela goes, girl, did you, George? Everyone's like, what? Jimmy is like, unlike you, I don't have to. To the top. And George is like, yes, I'm the top.

[B]

Yeah. George is very excited that he got. He got placed above the Rhode Island H Vac King. So Angela's like, george is the one who said he had to pay you when he met you. She's like, I don't even know what you're talking about. And Cynthia is telling us, so the bodies that Angela is putting on Shamia, like, what happened to the Hawks and the Falcons? How did we get to George from that? Which is true. I kind of think if you. If. If Shamia were being as promiscuous as Angela was saying, and she's like, getting that, like, NFL and NBA D, why would she go to George? Just stay in that lane. That's like, an amazing lane to be in.

[C]

And Shimmy is saying, well, y' all just listen to her call me a. Pretty much. And I. And, oh, and say, I was cheating on my man with George. Can we all agree that she said that? And Angela's like, I'm just going off of him saying he paid you. And Cynthia's like, wait, was it a donation that he paid, or did he pay pay? She's like, he donated to breast cancer, for Christ's sake. And we see him giving the big check and anthrop like, well, if Shamia's talking, she's lying. He pulled her up and. And was like, she's so fine, I had to pay her. Is that what you say when you donate to charity? Do you go to Goodwill? You go to somebody pull you up and say, you're so fine, I had to take your clothes?

[B]

No, but Angelo also, like, another question is, do you dye your beard green if you're trying to practice the law? So, like, I think logic is out of the window with this guy. Like, I mean, clearly, to me, this Guy was cracking a joke. I'm like, well, of course I had to donate to her charity. I mean, look, she's so fine, I would do anything she would tell me to do. That's a far. That is a far cry from saying from, like, she's so fine, I had to pay her to have sex with me. Like, the fact that Angela's being such. She's not even being a literalist. She's actually. She's being a literalist and she's adding a whole component that was never even stated.

[C]

She's just doing a lot of lying here. And this is, you know, this is some fun, Angela. Like, you're a fun housewife, but you don't need to resort to, like, making up lies about people. It's so stupid.

[B]

You don't need to. But thank you. It was funny.

[C]

Very funny. Was cracking up. And also just how she puts it, you go to Goodwill, does somebody pull you up and say, you're so fine, I had to take your clothes? How does that even make any sense? But in Angela's mind, it's like, yep, that's. It's proof, people. It's proof. And Pinky's like, well, where's George at? I could use a donation. And sh. Is like, well, I just started investigating you today, and here's my findings. Can you. You please let your pants meet your shoes at some point? And then we see that she's taken a picture of Angela's pants being short. Like, really, she just said that you, George with the green beard, and you're coming back with your feet big and your. Your pants are too short.

[B]

Because Shamia thinks her way in to rattle Angela is to make comments incessantly about her feet, I guess them either being big or not properly connected to the pants. Etc, Etc. Shamia's. Shamia just is. She has. She has an opening here to actually, you know, like, she could take the moral high ground here, or she could actually be like, oh, and have the women gather around her, like, Angela. That was too far. But she just. She just is not equipped for this. These moments she waits for a feat,

[C]

for a feet comment. So then that gets everybody on Angela's side. And Porsche was like, shimia, you're getting very defensive. And I cracked it up again. I cracked up again because the woman just said she's the guy with the green beard. The woman has a husband and children. And then Angela's out here accusing her of somebody for a breast cancer check. And they're like, huh, hey, don't call her big feet

[B]

or even imply it. So Cynthia is. Shamia says, you know, in Dallas, Angela, you kept saying that I'm causing division in the group. And then Cynthia's like, yeah, well, it wasn't just Angela. I'm like, oh, this is bad. Now you got Cynthia jumping in against you. That's not good. So she meant, like, well, that's kind of up. She's. Well, a lot of us not. Like, when you're good, then you're good. And the ladies that. That are closest to you seem to be good, but when you're not, you're not.

[C]

And so Cynthia's like, well, you know, even if Shimia's name came up, like, you would get, like, super defensive. Pinky. Pinky's like, what? And Kelly. Kelly is telling us the fact that you want to take this whole friend and turn it into a lap dog or a puppet master. Oh, no, that's. That's not Kelly.

[B]

That's.

[C]

This is Kelly. The fact that you want to take this whole friend and turn it into a lap dog or puppet master. No, I'm a friend. Like, maybe you guys should try it. And K. Michelle's like, ain't no I in team, but it is an idiot. And I'm not following any of these ladies. And Shamia can't lead me nowhere but to the mall. And she's staying the mall. And every time you call Shamia, she's at somebody's store.

[B]

Kim Michelle just on a whole different show, responding to different questions and allegations, just taking it to a different place. Like, okay, I actually love K. Michelle on the show. I know there are a lot of

[C]

people that girl's in, like, around if I ever seen it. I mean, what. What was that girl coming at me from a Cinnabon?

[D]

She saw the A and Sabaro. That's what I say. Now we just got somebody stuck with an S and a B right next to each other. Who does that? I don't do that. I'll tell you that much. I'll tell you where the A is. It's an ain't. As if I don't. I ain't spell that.

[C]

This fight's older than a curtain rod, Jane. In a cost plus world market.

[D]

Whatever happened to KB Toys? Okay, I became K. Michelle. I'm not KB because KB annoyed that KB Toys are gone.

[B]

Just ongoing commentary about mall shops.

[D]

Claire's. I never met Claire, but I know I don't like her.

[C]

So Cynthia's like, I feel like you have the power to bring us together. Shamia and she's like, oh. Oh, wow. Thanks.

[B]

Wow, that was hilarious pandering.

[D]

And.

[B]

And Samia's like, cynthia, actually, that role is more fitting for you. Aren't you the friend that straddles the fence? Or have you tilted the scale? So Cynthia's like, okay, whatever. Kelly's like, oh, my God, look at

[D]

k. She's looking for a jetsu holiday flying right out of here.

[B]

A current reference.

[C]

I mean, if any one of these girls has been accused of sleeping with a married man, it would have been made an issue you. But now that it's happening to Shamia, everybody wants to brush it off. Shamiya's rich as hell. I wouldn't want no woman to lose that type of money. I don't know what Shamia would do if she got kicked up out of that house. You can't live in structure.

[B]

So now she's defending Shamia before. She's like, I don't follow Shamia. Shamia's hurt me. And she spends all her time at the mall. And then it's like, how dare they make fun of Shamia. She has a family.

[C]

She's right, though. These people are nuts. They're like, wow, why is she me. I'm reacting just because someone said her husband is cheating or she's cheating on her husband. Crazy.

[B]

I think that actually speaks to the fact that she must be very annoying in person. That they are all, like, not even willing to, like, really even entertain what we would normally entertain for someone, which is like, that's cruel. That's too mean. That's too far. Angela, stop it. But they're probably all like, good grief, you give it to her, you know?

[C]

Yeah, it seems so. So now they're gonna have a rest before dinner, and they all go check out their rooms. And Kelly didn't get an attached bathroom, so, you know, she's not loving that. But, I mean, at this point, you should just be happy to have shelter.

[B]

I was about to say, she barely has an attached roof. So Shamia's in her room, and she. She gets a text from this woman, Ashley, who is George's wife. So Shamia's like. She shows Kelly the text and she. She says, ashley said, hey, girl, call me when you get a chance. Angela's lying. And so the text read says, from Ashley. It says, hey, girl, call me when you get a chance. This is Ashley. I would love to clear up the lie that was told about us. And she was like, yeah, because I didn't know you and I had beef. And I thought I was.

[C]

And.

[B]

And you thought I was sleeping with your husband. Shaking my smfh.

[C]

Now she's like, I never thought that Angela's lying. She's like, well then she had the nerve to deny asking you if you had any info on me and said you all want to just be on the show. And Ashley says Angela's whole motive is to tarnish your name because of something you said about her. Which I didn't ask because it wasn't my business and I had no information for her. She lives feet from me. She's weird for even telling such a big lie. Lol. Especially putting George in it.

[B]

George is so happy to be part of this. Now his green beard is on a national platform. He could be. He couldn't be more thrilled. By the way, wouldn't this count as an investigation on Sham's end? Just saying. Commercials.

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See our seven day return [e-mail] then Meanwhile, Angela is is trying to take a nap or whatever and Shamia is showing the text to Pinky now. And Shamia's like, look at this. Isn't this wild? Not only trying to come from my marriage, you're trying to tear down my with the hawks too. And Angela's just like out of door. Because it's an old house, 1650. The doors are like basically made of paper. So she can hear everything that's happening.

[C]

Yeah. She's like, hey, what are you talking about? You bold. Call them. Call him now. Like, oh, Angela. She's like, get out of my room. She's like, I'm not in your room. I haven't gone through your threshold. So vampire rules. I'm not even in there.

[B]

Vampire rules. I've been invited into the house, but onto the specific room I'm in a very strict vampire protocol right now. I literally can't even go into my closet right now to get my dress.

[C]

The original vampire ghost is in there.

[B]

Like, oh my God.

[C]

It's these nouveau vampires.

[B]

Everything is a boundary. Once you go on front door, everything is full access. Jesus. Dum dum. It's a French.

[C]

So Shami is like, let me slam the door on this, ho. Excuse me. Bye. And she slams the door in her face. And so Angela's just muttering in the hall, say that to my face, ho. And so Anel is going to call Ashley now. So back in Shamia's room, she's like, she's obsessed. And Angela, we still hear Angela screaming. Obsessed with watching me open the door and talk. And Kelly's like, bigfoot wants you to open the door.

[B]

Social media. I'm like, oh, too, too low. Even I fall for it. I'm like, too low, too low. So Angela's like, quit using my name. Which is a. As far as Angela's burns go, maybe not the best, but I, I appreciated its very sweaty awkwardness show. See what she did?

[C]

She's like, damn, don't talk about me if you're not gonna say that to my face. And Kelly looks out the door and she's like, peekaboo. She goes, peekaboo. I see you playing hide and go see. Come out then. And she's just like pacing around her room all pissed. So pinky comes out and she's like, angela, I was told to, I was told to give you this olive branch.

[B]

She gives her some little like, she's

[C]

like, take that cheap ass that's whack and that's weak. Come outside and talk to me.

[B]

So then Porsche appears and she's in a little baseball cap cuz she's taking off her wig and she basically is like, I, I just want to take my wig off and take a nap. And she's like, damn, I just want

[C]

to take my wig off, scratch my braids and Take my bra off. And you guys are already fussing. Come on, man.

[B]

Sh. So now, like, Shamir's like, you can do all your investigating all you want, but when you start lying and you know, like, once you. Once you put that kind of out there, it sticks. And then it takes forever for people to forget it. And do you understand how that looks and makes people feel? And Phaedra's like, I do get it. I. I think I've. I've flown too close to the sun with that sort of before, so I definitely get it.

[C]

Yeah. And we see a flashback to 2014 where Kenya is accusing Phaedra of having an affair with Mr. Chocolate. And she's like, child, everything's been done to her. It's already been done to me.

[D]

Shoot.

[C]

So then we got.

[B]

By the way, that's how you know you're getting a good edit when they show Kenya doing it to you instead of what you did to Candy.

[C]

No kidding. That's a good. So now Portia comes in and she's like, okay, I just talked to Shamia and we're all agreeing just to leave it where it's at. Okay. And Angela's like, I'm calling Ashley. So she calls Ashley, who picks up, and she's like, what's going on? What got back to you? She goes, well, Shamia said that I told you that her and George were. I never told you her and George were. And she's like, ashley, baby, I never said that you said that. Sex is not even something we spoke about. Flashback to 30 minutes ago. Ask Angela asking Shimia if she.

[D]

George.

[C]

No, I implied it, but it didn't come from you. And I want to get in front of that with you. Oh, okay.

[B]

I made it up for myself. Something that I created. Not that you were. Bessie. I was. I was in full control of the mess. It was. It was a 360 mess for me.

[C]

My husband was around.

[B]

I never said. You said it, by the way. Your husband's been around. So Ash is like, yeah, but you pretty much just want to know if I had information on Shami. And I told you I didn't. I just wanted to. To remain mutual. I mean, that was pretty much it. She's like, okay, bye, Ashley.

[D]

By.

[B]

Also, Arley's going to come over to play. Bye.

[D]

Bye.

[B]

Sorry. I started a rumor on national TV that your husband's been cheating on you.

[C]

Bye. So, yeah, she's like, you pretty much just wanted to know if I had information on Shamia. And I told you I didn't and I just wanted to remain mutual. And that was it. And she's like, bye. So she didn't get what she wanted because now Angela looks really stupid. So Porsche is like, okay, but where did it come up that he was her? And Angela's like, me? It came from me. Like, it's the most sensible answer. And she's like, I never said anybody said anything. Pedro's like, because of the money. Oh, yeah, the money part. So she's like, yeah. Portia's like, yeah. If you think I'm gonna give a reaction to Angela saying that Shamia slept with George, you're gonna have to use AI because I'm not gonna do it. So then they. They Photoshop Angela's face onto the bottom of Portia's mouth going,

[B]

she did it.

[D]

It.

[B]

She. George. And by the way, don't do that in posts. So now it's time for dinner. Everyone comes out in their. In their outfits. They all look great, except Kelly's. I don't love Kelly's outfit. She's in this, like, blue. This big blue kind of, like, faux fur thing all over. And it kind of reminds me of, like, those, like, French poodles. And I just didn't like this look for her.

[C]

It's Grover. It's like she killed Grover and turned it into, like, some weird stripper bagpipe thing. It's bad. It's really bad.

[B]

It was like the French poodle in Oliver and Company. That's a little bit of a deep cut, but I think it had Bette Midler's voice. Clearly the. Everyone, this is a universal reference. Everyone, Right? Everyone. Gotta get.

[C]

Yeah, I'm sticking with Grover.

[B]

Yeah, I, I, you know, I'm not trying to compare Kelly to a dog. I'm saying her outfit reminded me of the. The French poodle from Oliver and Company that was voiced by Bette Midler. Everyone, please get off my back.

[C]

Okay, well, that, that outfit was terrible, Georgette. So specifically, you're looking at the poster on your wall for reference.

[B]

You're like, right? I'm like, I think we all. I think we all remember Georgette, the French poodle from Oliver and Company. Thank you very much. Richard Mulligan was also a voice actor on that show. I mean, it really is a collaboration of many stars and luminaries.

[C]

I was like, I'll read the book.

[B]

Please can I have another? So anyway, they all come down.

[C]

So now Phaedra's planning dinner with a chef, like a intensive dinner. And people get in the car to go out and Shamiya is still upset, of course. She's like, you, you know, you saying I'm hoeing around and that they're paying me to sleep with them. I'm a married woman. I have a career, and I would like if she would stop attacking both.

[A]

Both.

[C]

And then in the other car, Angela's like, well, I'm just glad you guys were there to hear my side of the story because I just want truth to prevail. And they're like, oh, you were just caught in a pretty big stinker there, Angela.

[B]

Yeah. Pedro's like, with that receipt and some fact finding, accusations like this can be very harmful. And I was accused of being a dart thrower last year. So it's like a circle. Then we go to Cynthia and Drew and Kelly in a car. And Cynthia is like, I just don't understand why Angela would lie about that. I'm like, because you guys are on TV and trying to make stuff work here. So Cynthia says, you know, she trusts Angela, but she just doesn't believe that Shamiya's having sex with an entire football team, an entire basketball team. And George, there's just not enough hours in the day.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

She's like, geez, how many hours are there? It's a lot of men to have sex with. So then back to the other car. Pinky's like, well, at least that text message vindicated you. And she's like, yeah, but now she'll just make something else up. And so now Drew, Kelly and Cynthia, Drew saying what I gather is a very confusing story. She's like, I can hurt your feelings. And it's like, well, what is that? And Kelly says, well, she didn't though, because when somebody goes back and forth with the person and you keep saying, I can hurt your feelings. Hurt my feelings and tell me what it is so we can just get it over with. Right? Yeah. This is crazy. They all need to just gather and tell Angela, you can't make up lies about. Not people. People.

[B]

Like, right, well, so now we have in the portion Phaedra and Angela car. Angela says that she wants ask Shamia, why did she say what she said to my daughter? Because at the basketball game last week, as we see again here, Shamia says to Angela's daughter, like, you're a lot nicer than your mom. Which I remember at that moment, I was like, that is a you. That is. You should not be saying that to someone's daughter. Like, that's a shitty thing to say to someone. Like, that's like actually like, like Rude. And that's maybe what has really set off Angela on this episode. I think she should have led with that at the lunch instead of this. This lie about George, because this is a. This is a legitimate thing to have a frustration about.

[C]

Yeah, but now that you retaliate with your people, you're the green beard car crash guy, it's like no one's gonna care about the daughter things now. You know, Angela's just not great at this still. God, she's funny.

[B]

So I'm still on her side, even if she is.

[C]

You are?

[B]

Yeah. I mean, she. I mean, she. She. Fabric. It's not right. But just in terms of, like, I'm still a fan of hers over Sham's, which makes I. In a weird way, I do feel bad for Shamia. I do see Shamia as someone who's probably always wanted to be part of the popular group, and she just doesn't have the tools to do it. And so she's always probably. I'm assuming, historically been, like, left out. Always been, like, number two sidekick. Like, she didn't. The. The quarter school quarterback went for someone else, not for her. And so she's probably been hurt a lot because of this, but, man, she's just so annoying. So, like, I'm like. I'm very, like, sympathetic towards her plight in life, but I also wish she would, like. She would just, like, like, pull back and just be kind of more just real and herself than this, like, performative drama club, Anne Hathaway type.

[C]

Yeah. So Portia, Phaedra, and Angela. Angela's like, well, I didn't bring it up because I'm like, how low are we gonna go bringing up my daughter important. Phaedra's like, yeah, we should raise the bar a little bit in this discussion. So they get to dinner, and they're eating at a place called Bonnie Badger. And someone's like, what's that? And the guy is like, it's an animal. They're like, like, what? Like, what kind of animal? Like, would they guess something? I forgot what it was. Like a horse. And he's like, no, more like a skunk. And they're like, ew. He wants to eat at a place called Skunk

[B]

Pinky's. Like, well, who was drunk came up with that name? I mean. I mean, then again, I also had a little THC when I came up with slutty vegans, so I'm not judging. Okay. I'm like, like, thank you for wedging in that promotional moment.

[C]

I'm sure we'll Find out about it in the TV series.

[B]

Okay. Yeah. So sh. Yeah, exactly. Shamia, as they sit down at this, like, Michelin star restaurant. By the way, the chef's name is. His last name is Kitchen, so he was really born for this job. Shamia says, I just want to say something. We were at Angela's event, and one, I didn't like that. That you brought up to. In front of the whole group because I was already getting my ass handed to me. But the other thing is, like, I don't have any smoke with K. And with that, like, we had nothing to do with anybody in the group. And like, that's why. Which is why I don't even know why that even came up. Because she's talking about how Pinky had said at Angela's event, like, is everything good between you and K. Shamia? So she's saying, like, why did you bring that up in front of everyone? I didn't even have an issue with K. Michelle. And he made it seem like there was an issue.

[C]

And K. Michelle's like, well, because it's something that hurt me. And I talked to Pinky about it, okay. And you said to me that night, you come in my life like a hurricane. And I said, good or bad? And you said both. And Shami is like, well, can you understand my perspective, though? Because when you bring them up, I feel the need to be on the defense. And she's like, but then you brought this up without me bringing them up for. She's like, but Kamber Lee. And she's like, well, I left that club that night in tears.

[D]

I was.

[C]

I was a crime. I left in tears. K. Michelle leaves in tears a lot.

[B]

Yep. She. She lives in tears.

[C]

That's the one thing. Yeah.

[B]

Yes. So Shamia's like, okay, I take accountability and I apologize and I won't do it again. So K. Michelle's like, you know, like,

[D]

well, she means be my friend. And she's always let me know that what it's cost her. And I'm your friend, and me being your friend is making my other friends mad. And I don't give a it.

[C]

And K's like, well, I appreciate your apology. And I also know you have a huge, huge heart. Okay? You have a huge heart. Chrome heart. Is that a store in a mall or is that just like its own store? I don't know. But your heart's so big, they should sell it.

[B]

M. So Phaedra is. Yeah, they're talking about what Pinky's going to eat. She's there's going to be nothing for her to eat on this menu. Phaedra's asking, like, what. What do we miss? What do we miss? And, you know, Pinky's like, yeah, you know, we. She fills her in and everything. And they're talking about the basketball event. And so Portia is. Pinky is like, by the way, how did you guys. Did you guys feel the conversation went well? Shami and K. Michelle, and they were like, yes, this is a much needed conversation. And K. Michelle's like, you know, I

[D]

feel like things happen within the friendship, and the best way to deal with them is to discuss them. And that's what I did, kid. I discussed them in my confessional to America and didn't say anything to you about it, okay?

[C]

And they're like, portia, you didn't complete your end of the bargain that you were supposed to do. Remember, you were supposed to have a talk, too. And then we see a flashback of Pinky saying, well, I already talked to K, and I'm going to talk to Shamia, and I want you and K to have a conversation. And Porsche is like, don't you do that. Let me do it. I'll have it. So she didn't do it. And she's like, I didn't have time. The party just started. She goes, okay, well, how do you think the conversation went, Shamia? And Shamia's looking annoyed, and Kay is like, well, I think it was a needed conversation. Me and Shamir have a strong friendship, and I feel that things happen within the friendship, and the best way to deal with them is to discuss them to America, let them fester, then calm down about them, and then say, you're welcome to Shamia.

[B]

So Pinky tells us, I worked on the Maury show for almost three years, and it was such a good experience because it allowed me to learn how to deal with unhealed people. I'm like, yes, that's. I'm sure that was the big takeaway from working on the Maury Povich show is connecting with the unhealed people. And I was like, you just told them, there's the green room. Get on stage. Don't make this. Don't punch someone in the face.

[C]

So I learned a lot in those three years. How to attach mics was a big one. I was so Kelly saying, well, I'm

[D]

glad that you ladies were able to

[C]

have that one on one time where so many people could not, like, dive into. Into the situation and you really come to resolutions. Okay, everybody, now, no matter. Oh, and then Kelly's like, and no matter what we go through in this group, we can get to know each other on another level. Phaedra, you having my back. I really want to thank you and your professionalism. Okay. And Phaedra's like, oh, that's so beautiful. Thank you, thank you.

[B]

And Angela's saying like, do you know how much lawyers cost? Kelly is getting sued from east, the west, the north, the south, and you're getting free counsel. Maybe I will stand up and do a speech too

[C]

soon. They ask Porsche how Sway is doing and if she could actually be with a woman long term. And Portia says, she's always just imagined herself with a husband and how that looks, but now she pays for her own damn bills and she can do whatever she wants.

[B]

Yeah. And so then we start talking about like, Pinky was. Pinky was also in a relationship with a girl for a while. For three years actually. And you know, they. But they didn't get married, but so they're basically all kind of start sharing tales of being with women in the past.

[C]

Yeah. And they're asking her why they didn't get married. And she's like, cuz I like something a little long and strong. And she said, what ended the relationship is something that happened internal, not because I met the other person. And Phaedra's like, well, I've always known that Pinky, honey, she lives in the lady pond, had her whole body submerged in the lady blonde. So Pinky would probably date a woman again. And she's like, I like to have fun. I'm a grown ass woman. And Portia's like, you should. You should. So Phaedra's saying that she was shocked when she heard that Pinky was marrying a man. And she's like, but you've done it once, you'll do it twice, you'll do it thrice.

[B]

Gay Michelle starts talking about her experiences with other women and how she had. There was a woman that was like in her life wife, and she's like,

[D]

I thought I was gonna be full. Okay. I moved her to Atlanta and she hopped on top of my brand new car because I was talking to men and she tried to beat me up and she ended up with my hairdresser.

[B]

So that was the end of her lesbian chapter.

[C]

Oh my God, Michelle, she just has such a way. And Portia's like, what's that in the entertainment business? She's like, well, she wanted to be an actress, but she never did nothing. She was on the couch, though.

[D]

So she's like, yeah, I don't have man look took from me, but I. But I don't have a woman taken from me, too. Enough of the gayness. I want to be straight again.

[B]

She's like, I thought being a lesbian was gonna solve these issues.

[C]

Yeah. So let's see. Phaedra has never. Angela has never. Shamia has never. And then Porsha gives her a look, and she's like, well, I kissed a girl. Not open mouth. And they're like, did you like it? And Sham says, yeah. And, you know, I've watched some lesbian porn too. And they're like, lesbian porn. So sexy. And G goes Tasty Black. That is a good lesbian porn site. Tasty Black. That's one I watch. It's. It's neck and neck with Netflix for me.

[B]

So then Drew's like, portia, didn't you say that Shamia did kiss a girl?

[D]

I think it was Candy.

[B]

And Shamila's like, I didn't kiss Candy, but I have kissed a girl. And Drew's like, well, I remember Portia had said that. And then, like, they were all laughing and having a good time, and now it's like, oh, God, here we go. And everyone's like, here you go, Portia.

[C]

Here's the fight for you.

[B]

Drew has this look like, guys, someone's got to get this scene going. Okay? So Pinky's like, well, I was, by the way, speaking of nothing in particular, I was in the car earlier with Angela and Drew, and that was my first time with the two on one. And I really enjoyed the car ride. But we just talked about why there was a breakdown in the friendship, and I realized that it really is just, like, a gap in communication on a lot of things. So. Angela, are you good? Are you good, Angela? Do you wanna. You wanna voice anything right now? Angela?

[C]

Well, I'm good, but Shamia at Maggie Madness, did you approach my daughter? She's like, no, I didn't. I approach your daughter. But I did meet your daughter. Did you say anything to my daughter that could have been offensive to me? She's like, I did. Absolutely, Yes. I said that she's sweeter than you. And she's like, well, that's not something you say to a child. You don't understand what we're going through at this moment, and you overstepped a boundary. So I understand if you and I go back and forth, but don't include my daughter.

[B]

So Drew says, I feel like. I feel like everything Shamia does, it's misdirection to Portia if she's talking to Kelly, she really wants to talk to Portia. If she's talking to me, it's because she really wants to. To Porsche. If she's talking to Angela, she's probably having Porsche's face on Angela's face. I think Shamia at some point just needs something from Porsche and she's not getting it. Which, by the way, Drew Sadora, I think that was an accurate assessment. Drew Sadora, I think getting it right today.

[C]

So Shimi apologizes and Angela says, well, what was your implication? She says, that you're a mean girl. Well, didn't you imply that my husband didn't love me and that he steps out on me? And she's like, girl, it's only a rebuttal to everything you say about me. Me, she like. But does that make it right? Oh, my God. Angela. Yeah.

[B]

Angela, you're about to. When you get confronted as to why you made up this rumor about George, you're gonna say, because it was a rebuttal about what she said about me. So don't start. Don't start rebuttal shaming because you're going to be needing to use that excuse very soon.

[C]

Rebuttal shaming. So shimmy is like, well, today you said I was George. Because I did say that.

[B]

That.

[C]

Okay, well, when we throw out these allegations, it's low because people are quick to believe a lie before they believe the truth. And when you come in to receipt, sometimes it's too late. Okay. And so let's bring up the receipts from his wife since you want to. She's like, okay, go ahead. So she is like, pinky, as someone who's worked in the reality TV industry, could you please read the receipts?

[B]

So she starts going to. So Pinky's like, okay, this is from Ashley. Hey, girl, call me when you get a chance. I would love to clear up the lie that was told about us. And then Shamir responds, yeah, because I didn't know that you and I had beef and you thought I was sleeping with your husband. Shaking my head. And Ashley says, never thought that. Angela lion laughing emoji. And Ashley says, angela's whole motive is to tarnish your name because of something she said. Basically, this is all the same stuff as we read before. So she made that's your neighbor. And Pinky goes, end scene.

[D]

So porch like, I need the audiobook.

[C]

Yeah. And they're like, why, Angela? Why? And she's like, girl, you're a goddamn liar. See, what we didn't know is we called Ashley and Ashley and I spoke for two minutes.

[B]

Like, two minutes. That's all you got? Yes, two minutes. And now she said that you told her that I said that. She said, said you, George. And I said, no, you. I said, you, George. I asked her. I asked her, did you know? Did you know? Because I'm about to go off on you, and I don't want to hurt your feelings. So let's get the story restraint. So Angela does this whole explanation that barely makes sense because, again, let me. Let me restate this sentence. Ashley said that you told her that I said that. She said, you, George. So Shamia is like, what are you making up lies about? She's like, one lie at a time. Him, Shalire. So she's still workshopping.

[C]

You're the one who's lying. This is a liar.

[B]

She tried. Shahowa earlier and now she's a horror. Yeah, Shahora. Yeah. So.

[C]

So Pinky's like, so you're basically saying you didn't say, Ashley said it. And Kelly's like, you even said that George paid her. And Angela said, george said I paid her. And she means like. Like, for charity. Think this fight is so stupid. Come on now. And Cynthia is like, if George's wife is texting the said person who is allegedly him, that it's not true, then I think we have no case here. But ask Phaedra.

[B]

Phaedra's like, your Honor, let the record show that Angela Oakley's allegations are pure baloney. I rest my case. So Piggy's like, so is he confirming that you to you that they had sex angels? Like, well, I didn't have a conversation with him. I just. I just said it like, okay, got it. Shami is like, your receipts don't land. Just like you created that against Phaedra. You're creating this against me because you're a lying ass.

[C]

It's like, I set it up against Phaedra. Yes, you create. You fabricate. It's like, girl, you're delusional. Some loosen all. You act like you're married to the Prince of Zamunda. She's like, I am.

[B]

I'm married to the Prince of Kenya. And she goes, okay, well, bark. What? Bark on one. Lego, you lap dog.

[C]

Oh, God, this is ridiculous. And shimmy is like, that nose is going to be lifting the rest of your life. Oh. It's like, okay, you Angry Bird looking is Beyonce the room.

[B]

Guys, guys, guys.

[D]

They're gonna kick us out. We're actually like a nice restaurant, so please do not waste this money that we spent for Phaedra's birthday, Please. At the end of the day, we know things have to be discussed, then we just have to move on at some point because honestly, because it then it just goes to insults. You know, we talk now, but we're just gonna like raise the roof on this house. So please. This is, this is a nice restaurant. Can we wait to wear it like some cheap free meal? Thanks.

[C]

Thanks. Yeah. So now they just agree to all get along, which of course means that dinner is over. There's nothing else to film. So we go back to the house and Portia and Phaedra are having takeout. And Cynthia comes in wearing a beret and like full on costume pajamas. And they're like, damn, you're really, you're really dedicated to the bit, babe. And Drew has a headline From Reality Blue Bl. Kelly Frell's ex husband Mark, files a $200 million lawsuit against Bravo over comments made about him on Real Housewives. And Cynthia is like, $200 million, you're not going to win that.

[B]

Yeah, you're not. You're definitely not.

[C]

No, no.

[B]

So they're like, oh, wow. Cuz Kelly comes in and they're like, wow, we just saw this, we just saw this article. And Kelly's like, you know, all this time I stayed quiet. It's like you want to just keep peace. And I want to protect my girls at all costs, especially if it means I could film them where they could be unprotected. And then at some point you just get tired because it's like you fight so much. And I don't think people understand when I was like this, like I got this capacity and like, you don't have a lot left in you, right? It's just like hard and like you're fighting everyone. You're fighting your children, you're fighting your for your business. You're fighting in the friend group. It's so hard. And Porsche is like, and you're fighting me too, don't forget. And she's like, and I don't want to fight with you anymore. She goes, I don't want to fight either. So they basically bury the hatchet now. You know, they have one of these kind of like drunken late night, like, everything is fine now conversations, which never seem to really work out, but for now that it will.

[C]

Well, yeah, they're all going through divorces too. So Drew's crying too. She's like, what about me? What about me in my house that I'm gonna lose? I guess yes. And Portia's like, it's more than about the house. It's where the home is, which better be that seven million dollar house house. And so they all agree to get along. It's nice. And Phaedra and, I mean, Portia and Kelly officially make up again. And everybody's like, isn't this so beautiful? And then Portia's like, y' all need to go to your rooms and masturbate

[B]

and sleep well tonight. So the first day of the Scottish trip is done. Some spiciness, some resolution, and we'll have to see what the rest of the trip offers us. But in the meantime, thanks everyone for being here. Stick around for our Rhode island recap coming up next on the podcast feed and also join us on Amazon this afternoon and we will catch you on the next. Watch what happens. Bye. Watch what Crappens would like to thank its premium sponsors. She answered the call. It's 80 appalled. Ain't no thing like Allison King.

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