#3433 RHORI S1E14: Crackahs in the Facade

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Episode #3433 – "RHORI S1E14: Crackahs in the Facade"

Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Date: June 29, 2026
Main Focus: Real Housewives of Rhode Island (RHORI) Season 1 Reunion, Part 2

Episode Overview

This super-sized episode dives deep into the wild, dramatic, and hilariously chaotic Season 1 reunion of Real Housewives of Rhode Island. Ben and Ronnie break down the reunion’s biggest moments, roasting and revering the cast’s antics, especially the legendary receipt-wielder Jo Ellen. The episode is packed with laugh-out-loud moments, scathing commentary, and Bravo-loving banter as the hosts dissect betrayals, rumors, feuds, and unforgettable one-liners.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. Liz McGraw Exit Rumors & Opening Thoughts

• [01:36] Ben opens by discussing swirling rumors that Liz McGraw might leave RHORI after this season, noting that the audience has turned on her, viewing her as "mean".
• Ronnie speculates Liz might only leave if more scandal (the “Dino stuff”) breaks, referencing a friend’s cartel-related arrest: "He just denied a plea deal. So if there’s somebody not coming back, it probably has to do with that."
  (Ronnie, 03:18)
• Both hosts praise the reunion as one of the best freshman (first-season) reunions since Atlanta S1:

  “Jo Ellen just took the reins. I don’t think we’ve ever seen anyone have such a deep store of receipts. It really made me appreciate her so much more!”
  (Ben, 04:30)

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2. Jo Ellen’s Receipts & The Rula/Brian Cheating Scandal

• [04:46–11:36]
  • Jo Ellen surfaces as the undisputed queen of evidence ("receipts"):

    “Jo Ellen basically got her receipts from CVS – it spat out a long ass roll of paper for one candy bar.”
    (Ben, 05:12)

  • Rula is confronted about her husband's infidelity and Jo Ellen fires off insults:

    “I don’t know what’s bigger, your mouth or what’s in between your legs.”
    (Ben, 05:49)

  • The "square footage" fight and Rosie's infamous bedazzled “briefcase of receipts” become comedy gold. Andy thwarts the prop parade:

    “No, bring your binder or briefcase out here now, you don’t get to just come and go!”
    (Ben, 10:09)

  • Andy finally figures how to keep attention-seeking Housewives onstage:

    “If you leave we won’t talk about you.”
    (Andy, 11:36)

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3. Rosie’s Colitis Leave, Job Rumors, and Pageant History

• [12:01–14:32]
  • Rosie explains her medical leave and brushes off rumors:

    “I like went on medical leave because of the colitis. And then I realized how great life was not getting up at 2:00am.”
    (Rosie, paraphrased, 12:21)

  • Kelsey and Rosie toss vague accusations about work scandals/personal relationships at each other, with plenty of Bravo-style “gobbledygook.”
  • Alicia tells a funny story about her fiancé Billy being a "stalker" before she fell for him, with a classic Bravo transition into talk of engagement and dance class logistics.

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4. The Crackers, Diets, & Random Domestic Moments

• [14:48–17:23]
  • Hosts get absurdly fixated on cracker brands, Jane Fonda workouts, and anxiety about long drives:

    “Anything over 20 minutes, my anxiety kicks in.”
    (Ben acting as Alicia, 15:22)

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5. Prenups, Trusts, and the Mysteries of Home Ownership

• [19:25–24:39]
  • Who has a prenup? Slightly delayed arm raises from cast, turning into the “weaponization” of the word “babe.”
  • Alicia is left confused by trust law:

    “Well, you know, I don’t like to drive, so, like, why would I drive the trust?”
    (Alicia via Ben, 20:44)

  • Kelsey and Rosie argue over mortgages—“Babe, you have a mortgage with 10% down. Relax.”—with Andy and Ben marveling at how Housewives weaponize basic financial facts.
  • Notably, attacks over owning a home with a mortgage are lampooned:

    “You have a mortgage. That’s called owning things, Kelsey, you twit.”
    (Andy, 22:48)

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6. Escort & Polyamory Rumors – Kelsey in the Hot Seat

• [28:28–33:28]
  • Andy reads in a fan question about a rumor that Kelsey was an escort charging $29,000 for dinner and dessert.

    “I would never get dessert on a date. So this is totally false.”
    (Kelsey, 28:40)

  • Ben and Ronnie spiral into jokes about which "holes" one might sell, Paula Abdul cameos, and Kelsey’s convoluted explanations about her polyamorous/non-poly relationships.
  • The hosts point out Kelsey’s struggles with basic Q&A—“What happened to her pageant training on how to answer questions?”

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7. Liz, Rula, and Brian's Marriage Timeline: Exposing the Overlaps

• [39:01–44:52]
  • Jo Ellen brings out actual court documents to prove Rula and Brian’s divorce timeline is fishy:

    “Well, you said you met in 2010. The divorce wasn’t final until 2016. There’s a lot of overlapping.”
    (Ben & Andy, 41:27–41:51)

  • Rula denies it all, gets called a “psychopath” (approvingly), and still refuses to state her anniversary:

    “That’s none of your business.”
    (Rula, 40:24)

  • Ronnie: “Are they married? Do you not think they’re married?”
    • Jo Ellen: “I’m asking when is your anniversary.”
    • Andy: “Are you legally married?”
      (40:50)
  • The segment is a masterclass in Housewife obfuscation and evidence drops.

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8. The Men Arrive: The 'Husbands' Lounge' and Anticlimax

• [46:39–50:28]
  • Mostly played for comedy, with spouses like Jared getting only one question (about an ice machine).
  • Andy: “Jared, you clearly hate your life. Okay, moving on.”
    (48:36)
  • Billy and Alicia’s prenup negotiations rear up again, morphing into a new deal: if Alicia just drives Selena to dance practice, she gets everything in the trust.

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9. Brian and Rula: Cheating, Lawsuits, and Trackers

• [57:07–75:12]
  • Brian repeatedly dodges every question about his affair—“for legal reasons, I cannot discuss that”—triggering massive eye rolls from hosts.
  • Jo Ellen has “never before seen footage” and an endless supply of receipts about the Chanel bag, the timeline of cheating, and even texts about his son’s Christmas list.
  • The back-and-forth on the legal date of Brian’s affair (and whether Rula knew) reaches absurd levels:

    “Joellen’s not going to be called a liar when she has facts of the truth.”
    (Gary, 70:36)

  • Discussion of Brian putting a tracker on Rula’s car is met with comic disbelief:

    “If the rumor is true, say you can’t talk about it because of a lawsuit.”
    (Ronnie as Andy, 60:17) “Well, you know, the case has been dismissed, so I can’t discuss dismissed cases.”
    (Brian, 75:48)

  • The men collectively gasp at how much Jo Ellen knows and how deep her research goes.

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10. Final Thoughts, Regrets, & Bravo Toast

• [78:54–80:30]
  • Each Housewife shares what they’d change: Ashley would be less nervous, Rosie regrets calling Kelsey a polygamist, etc.
  • Alicia’s regret is the most “Housewives” thing ever: “I wish I would have worn more makeup cause like I look crazy cause my dog bit my face.”
  • The reunion ends with a group toast to an incredible first season and a masquerade mask gifted to Andy ("King of Rhode Island").

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Jo Ellen’s Receipt Power:

  “Jo Ellen basically got her receipts from CVS – it spat out a long ass roll for one candy bar.”
  (Ben, 05:12)

• Financial Weaponry:

  “You have a mortgage. That’s called owning things, Kelsey, you twit.”
  (Andy, 22:48)

• Garlic Insults:

  “Brian says that your butt smells like garlic. By the way, he tells everybody that.”
  (Andy, 65:13)

• Kelsey's Escort Denial:

  “I would never get dessert on a date. So this is totally false.”
  (Kelsey, 28:40)

• Endless Legal Excuses:

  “Well, you know, the case has been dismissed, so I can’t discuss dismissed cases.”
  (Brian, 75:48)

• Bravo Toast:

  “Let’s end this reunion with a dirty Shirley... It's like a Shirley Temple with vodka inside. Like, I thought everyone knew that.”
  (Rosie, 79:53)

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Classic Comedic Watch What Crappens Moments

• Ben and Ronnie continually riff on cast confusion—not knowing the date of their anniversaries, mortgages, or the concept of a trust.
• Kelsey’s inability to answer any question straightly (“What happened to her pageant training?”)
• The “briefcase of receipts” as an enduring Real Housewives prop trope.
• Andy’s deadpan moderation style and knowing smile when others do his work for him.
• Group gags about garlic scents, “slamming pigs,” and whether it’s ever worth $29,000 for dinner and dessert.
• Final assertion that next season, Jo Ellen will be the target of scrutiny: “I guarantee Jo Ellen will be the butt of scrutiny for season two.”
  (Ben, 64:13)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• Liz Rumors, Reunion Praise: 01:36–04:30
• Jo Ellen’s Receipts & Rula/Brian Fight: 04:46–11:36
• Rosie Medical Leave & Job Rumors: 12:01–14:32
• Crackers & Diet Comedy: 14:48–17:23
• Prenups/Trusts/Home Ownership Feud: 19:25–24:39
• Escort & Polyamory Scandal: 28:28–33:28
• Marriage Timeline Investigation: 39:01–44:52
• Husbands Segment: 46:39–50:28
• Cheating, Lawsuits, and Receipts: 57:07–75:12
• Final Thoughts & Toast: 78:54–80:30

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Summary & Final Thoughts

Ben and Ronnie deliver a rollicking roast, celebrating the unfiltered mayhem of RHORI’s reunion, with Jo Ellen’s relentless truth-bombs, Rula’s tragic confusion, infidelities, legal squabbles, and enough receipts, binders, and briefcases to last the entire Bravo multiverse. The episode is a testament to Watch What Crappens’ ability to combine deep Bravo analysis with rapid-fire, affectionate mockery of reality TV’s most absurd moments.

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Transcript

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[Andy Cohen]

Hi. How you doing?

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm, I'm great. I'm great. My heart is full of great reunion goodness. Today we're talking about Rhode island, the part two of their reunion, their conclusion of their reunion and their first season. Join us on Patreon.com Watch what happens. You can watch us on video. You get access to a free newsletter that even if you're not a Patreon member, you can read also ad free listening. All sorts of really great, wonderful stuff. But this is a jam packed, super sized episode. We really have to just dive right into it. I'm just going to mention right now that there are rumors swirling that Liz McGraw is stepping away from Rory after its first season. Radar Online has been saying this. I kind of, I can see her being someone who, who has not enjoyed the edit. The, the audience lately has been like, Liz is mean.

[Ronnie Haram]

And I can see like, okay, well, I mean, well, then I'm just go away. The wicked witch of the west goes away.

[Ben Mandelker]

But I think that she's going to lick her wounds and come back. What do you think?

[Andy Cohen]

I think if she leaves, it's because of this Dino stuff and any involvement that this boat might or might not allegedly have. Because that's pretty fishy to have a boat that you guys are like, oh, he's got three months out of the,

[Ronnie Haram]

he's got three weeks out of the month. And he just loves me bullet fishing, you know, that's him.

[Andy Cohen]

And then Dino, their best friend, was arrested for drug, you know. Yeah, cartelling. Not cartelling, but you know what I mean? And he just. He just denied a plea deal, by the way. He just turned down a plea deal. So I think if there's somebody not coming back, it probably has to do with the.

[Miles Gray]

That.

[Andy Cohen]

That would be my guess, because she ain't gonna leave this. You kidding? No way. She wouldn't leave. She wouldn't leave unless she had to.

[Ben Mandelker]

I guess if she stays on the show, the rumors therefore become and going. So we'll see. We'll see how that unfolds. Let's dive into this episode. I thought this was such a good episode. In fact, I think the entire Rhode island reunion was pretty excellent. I would even wager to say that it may have been my, like. I would say it's like one of the very best freshman reunions we've seen from a Real Housewives. I think, like, the high watermark is Atlanta season one. That reunion changed what reunions are all about. But I think as like in since Atlanta, this may have been my favorite freshman reunion. I thought the entire thing from start to finish was hilarious. And this hour was so. I mean, it was. There were moments I was just yelping out loud with laughter and Jo Ellen just took the reins. I don't think we've ever seen anyone have such a deep store of receipts as Joellen. I don't even know how she gets these receipts, but she had one after the other after the other. She was ready. She was hilarious. I mean, I have to say, Jo Ellen, in my book, has actually ascended base off of this reunion alone. It really made me appreciate her so much more, and I think she went up another tier for me. What did you think?

[Andy Cohen]

I love the reunion. I thought it was so funny. I mean, it was really, really good. I mean, to the point where I was like, okay, enough receipts.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, geez.

[Andy Cohen]

I know.

[Ben Mandelker]

I felt bad at certain point. Like at some point, like, drop it. You made your point.

[Andy Cohen]

I felt like a customer service manager. Like, oh my God, how many receipts do I have to go through? Jesus Christ, can these all be real? How much paper are we wasting? I was like, okay, this lady's husband is cheating on her. We know.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, we all know, you know. I mean, Joellen basically got her receipts from cvs. It was like it spat out like a long ass roll of paper for like one. One candy bar. She had a lot a Lot on her receipts. But at the same time, I was like, it was impressed.

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah, it was a fun episode. So Rula's still trying it with her. You're a nobody. You're a slut is what you standing up like. Like trying to come at her, but very, very slowly and ruler style. And Joellen's like, guess what?

[Ben Mandelker]

Your husband's a.

[Miles Gray]

You.

[Ben Mandelker]

You sleep with doctors. You have it after my husband. You sleep with doctors. I don't know what's bigger, your mouth or what's in between your legs. She was like, oh, I'm gonna break your nose. And this is.

[Andy Cohen]

Again, she just did a face. You can't do that. You can't do that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Say something, Ruler. You're nuts. Ruler. She's like, oh, you all know. You all know she sleeps with doctors.

[Andy Cohen]

I mean, look, there's worse things to be accused of.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know. You know what I mean? It's true.

[Andy Cohen]

A lot of us, that's a compliment. Like, wow, I'm. I'm Dale in Doctors. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But rule is screaming that she's a whole. Well, not screaming. She's ruling. Yeah, you're a. You're a. But she wants to point the finger at everybody else, and she's like, oh, really? I'm a. And your husband's not a. So she's like, put my husband aside. That's a different conversation. It's actually the whole conversation. You say your husband's a piece of and he cheated on you, and you're going to work on it privately, for Christ's sake. Rula.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, you can't even admit that she. It's already been admitted. We already know what he did. He's not a whore. He made a mistake, A bad mistake. A series of choices. A series of choices pertaining to sexual activity over and over and over again. But he's not a whore.

[Ronnie Haram]

And he's like, okay, all right. We're going to get into it. Just hold on one second.

[Ben Mandelker]

Because my life is so fucking interesting. I was like, I don't know about that part.

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah, her and her husband really are into this hole. Because Brian later, is like, yeah, you guys can thank me, huh? Because I gave you the best show, right? It's like the number one show because of me. Right? Right. Thank me, guys. Thank. So Annie's like, all right. Okay. So Joellen says, you asked me for proof. I mean, you asked me. Which, again, she didn't necessarily come asking you for proof. You said, if you want me to prove this to you, I Will. And she went. You continued to come with it over and over and over again. So, Andy, sorry. So Liz is like, but Joe Allen, you know, don't try to sound like someone who came here with good intentions, because you don't have good intentions, okay?

[Ronnie Haram]

You can't be both.

[Andy Cohen]

You can't be a person with receipts and a person with good intentions. It's not how it works.

[Ben Mandelker]

Here's the thing, though. I started off with good intentions. I started off being nice.

[Ronnie Haram]

She's like, yeah, but like, everyone knows you didn't have good intentions.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I told you, cuz you were my friend, Liz. And Rs like, go deal with your own life. I'm sure you got enough dirt, you know that? He's like, okay, Joellen, everybody in the state knows what you did. Joel's like, she had a new nose, then she got a new personality. What's going on here?

[Ronnie Haram]

He's like, okay, all right. Let me ask you a question. Okay, Rosie, this one's for you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Rosie's like, what? But Roll is still like, I don't talk trash. I don't do that. You just sleep with doctors. Andy's like, okay, whatever. When is the house ready?

[Andy Cohen]

Pizza for mama wants to know. You're trash. You're trash is what you are. When will your house be completed? Rose is like, great, So I have to go now. While the horrors being screamed across the room. Great. Rich said mid July. Thanks for asking. Andy. He's like, yeah, we're gonna. How many square feet are we gonna get? You're gonna get 5,000 square horse. That's what you're gonna get.

[Ben Mandelker]

5,000 doctors for Joellen to have sex with. So Kelsey's.

[Ronnie Haram]

So Andy's like, kelsey, so she says, It's 5,000 square feet. Was that satisfactory for you?

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, yeah, I mean, I don't really care the size of a house. I also don't understand measurements or sizes or anything. Like, I, I, I squish garbage with my barefoot. That's like the my vibe. So Kelsey's like, you know, at the beginning she said it was 8,000 and there's 5,000. And Rosie goes, so can I clear that up? Like, we were supposed to have a third floor. Andy's like, yes, yes, yes.

[Ronnie Haram]

You were supposed to have a third floor.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes, I know. Like, Andy's visibly bored by this entire conversation. Perhaps even the reason just brought up.

[Andy Cohen]

I love it. He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Third floor floor. And Kelsey's like, but you had the plans from the house from the previous owner that you used, you didn't even make your own plans. Oh, my God, Kelsey, girl, who cares? Who cares? Kelsey. And Rosie's like, nuh. It wasn't the same plans. We had different plans. Joellen, you were the first person that was skeptical. Am I right? You know what? I'm gonna, like, go get my binder, you guys, because, like, I cannot deal with this. Like, this is, like, so much square footage slander, I can't even take it anymore. That's why I have a binder, and I'm gonna go get it. No. So no, you have a binder. You bring it out here, you show it to everybody, and you put it behind your goddamn pillow. You don't get to just get up and go back and forth to get a binder. Why didn't you bring it here?

[Ben Mandelker]

Rosie made a mistake because it actually wasn't a binder. She actually said, I need to go get my briefcase. Because I remember thinking myself briefcase. And we see a flashback to earlier, before the reunion. She had. She's, like, bedazzled a briefcase that has all her receipts in it because it. But because it was so big, she couldn't bring it out onto stage. So she made all. She made all this. Put all this effort into, like, presenting her evidence, and she. She doesn't have it readily available, so she gets up to go get her briefcase, which she's really excited about. It's her prop. And Andy, after 20 years of real Housewives, finally figured out the, like, unassailable way to get a real housewife to stay on stage and sit down.

[Ronnie Haram]

He goes, no, but we're talking about you, and if you leave, we won't be able to talk about you.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like, what?

[Andy Cohen]

Okay, I'm back. I'm back.

[Ben Mandelker]

I get to be the center of attention.

[Andy Cohen]

I mean, Jo Ellen really is doing it the right way. She doesn't need a binder. She doesn't need a briefcase. She's got a phone. Your phone is a computer. It has everything. You guys, come on.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Andy Cohen]

So she's like. I mean, she just says random shit. It's just too much, Andy. All right, let me ask a question. Farmer from the Dell wants to know. Rosie, I think you might be the first housewife to admit to bleeding out of your butthole. Do you really have to leave your job because you're bleeding out of your butthole? That's crazy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I, like, went on medical leave because of the colitis. And then I realized how great life was, like, not getting up at 2:00 in the morning. Like getting up at 2:30 in the morning for like 10 years, for like 15 years, that's hard, you know?

[Ronnie Haram]

Yeah. Especially when you're on a low rated show like Road Tripping. Kelsey, do you still believe she quit her job because she was sleeping with a higher up?

[Ben Mandelker]

So Kelsey's like, well, I don't think

[Andy Cohen]

that, you know, like her job, like, her leaving her job was like, as clean as she was describing it, you know, like, I mean, maybe the rumors were more towards the basketball coach than towards a job, you know, because there were relationships that were ruined with colleagues because there was an incident at her job. But I don't necessarily think that's why she left though.

[Ben Mandelker]

What is Kelsey saying? This is gobbledygook. So Rosie's like, the reality is I have the documentation and I have everything in my briefcase back there that I wanted to get.

[Ronnie Haram]

She's.

[Ben Mandelker]

Rosie has stink face on so bad. She's so mad that she didn't get her prop. And then now that's where we see the flashback of her with her briefcase and leeches. Like, what is that?

[Ronnie Haram]

What? What? What's in that? What's in the box?

[Ben Mandelker]

What's in the box? She's like, oh, my God, you really, you really did come to the seats. You did a great job with that. It's beautiful.

[Andy Cohen]

So what's in it? And Rosa goes, it's more like what's not in it. What does that kind of evidence is that here's a big box of things that aren't there. Yeah, nailed it.

[Ben Mandelker]

There's so much in here. So Rosie says, I was watching the show, like, learning new things that I had done or being accused of or. So whatever it is what it is.

[Ronnie Haram]

And Andy's like, okay, well, Alicia, tell me about when you and Billy first met. Was it love at first sight? Nah, I thought it was a stalker. He was a stalker? Yeah, he was a stalker. He was like the persistent with me,

[Ben Mandelker]

and I'm like, then he won me over. And I've just been like, I don't know, been there, done that.

[Ronnie Haram]

Date him. You know what?

[Andy Cohen]

I thought Zoe beat you down. Yeah, beat me down, Eddie, you beat me down. Metaphorically. I don't know what that is, any wedding day yet. But you know what? We're talking about it and that's a big deal. It's a big deal. I love talking about. I love it. I love it.

[Ronnie Haram]

Who are you talking about? My friends. I have an idea. It's not. It's not too soon.

[Ben Mandelker]

But I think, like, like to go across and like, Billy's family's from gross and like, all that. But anyways, I just want to go there because, like, mamma mia. You know, like that whole vibe.

[Ronnie Haram]

Like, I love it.

[Andy Cohen]

Mamma mia.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like Italians and Greeks. I like that. I like that so much.

[Andy Cohen]

Well, we learned that Billy works a million hours in his restaurants, and it also takes the time to take Selena to dance class. So have you started helping with Selena? She's like, no. Well, it seemed like it took you the round you were gonna be able to do it. She's like, it's an hour. It's an hour there. It's like an hour down, an hour back. Like, I have anxiety. That's anything. 20 minutes I could do. But you know what? It's my anxiety past 20 minutes, just 20 minute timer anxiety.

[Ben Mandelker]

I love it. Anxiety kicks in.

[Ronnie Haram]

Let's talk about crackers.

[Ben Mandelker]

I love a cracker.

[Andy Cohen]

I love a cracker.

[Ronnie Haram]

A lot of people wanna know if you'll be coming out with your own lot of crackers.

[Ben Mandelker]

So I am working on making my own cracker.

[Ronnie Haram]

Who you working with?

[Ben Mandelker]

This is one of my favorite things. So, you know, like oyster crackers.

[Andy Cohen]

Them.

[Ben Mandelker]

You ever heard of chocolate chip cookies?

[Miles Gray]

Them?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I love them. She doesn't have the brand name.

[Andy Cohen]

I just call them oyster crackers. Okay, well, how do you stay so thin when you eat so many crackers? Jane Fonda. I love Jane's Fonda. My aunt Judy, she's the one that trained me on Jane. Sponda. Cut to Aunt Judy, like goging a glass, gulping a flask down the back of a car. She loves James. She loves Jane's Fonda. So it stuck with me. It just stuck with me all this time.

[Ronnie Haram]

But do you eat proteins?

[Ben Mandelker]

Nala?

[Ronnie Haram]

I eat almond elements.

[Ben Mandelker]

Alabons. Almonds.

[Ronnie Haram]

Almonds. Oh, almonds.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, almonds.

[Andy Cohen]

Sometimes maybe turkey pepperoni with, like, a cracker. Okay. Wow. Vicki from is back on tv inexplicably wants to know, have you gotten more of a steak and pizza Mama, I'm sec.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, go ahead. We don't put steak on our pizzas.

[Ronnie Haram]

No,

[Andy Cohen]

she's like, well, I'm getting some of it, you know, Like, I guess I get the merch, which, like, I just realized, like, I don't even know, you know, that's the thing, you know what this. There's a lot of things, you know, I don't know. So Andy's like, no, I don't know what the are you saying at any given time. Actually getting the merch is great because places like this, you know you can go the lover boy route or the there's something about her route where they made like a zillion dollars on merch, you know. So score babe.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know. I think Andy could just like ask Alicia simple questions about things around the house and I'll be entertained for an hour cuz everything is like a a funny story.

[Andy Cohen]

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[Ronnie Haram]

Leona from Lewis says why doesn't Alicia have a lawyer? Negotiate a better prenup deal and Billy can put up or shut up.

[Ben Mandelker]

All right, well so like if we were going to do that but I well I almost got it, but I

[Ronnie Haram]

was going to do that, but, like,

[Ben Mandelker]

I basically got an fu. So she says, you know, it just shut me down and made me realize it's, like, not a fairy tale. It's all about business.

[Ronnie Haram]

So who here on the cast actually has a prenup?

[Ben Mandelker]

And then, like, no one raises their hands. And then all of a sudden, very late, very belatedly, Ruler. Raises her hand slowly. And of course, Joelle's, like, raised her hand slowly.

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah. We each have our own, and it was my idea. He's like, I bet. Wow. Seemed to trigger the rest of the ladies that Billy didn't put your name on the house. Is your name on the house yet? She goes, I'm. He calls it a trust. Like, this is what he tells me. You're in a trust. What's a trust? Like that. That's what frustrates me. I don't know what it is now. I just want the easy, old school thing, you know, I want to see my name on the house. Like, what's a trust? What is that? And Rula's like, it's a vehicle. It's a vehicle that you put assets in, so your assets are safe. However, the vehicle has a dashboard, and if anybody wants to change it with AI, they can do it. You need to be very, very careful with AI.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, you know, I don't like to drive, so, like, why would I drive the trust?

[Ronnie Haram]

It's good.

[Ben Mandelker]

I have anxiety, Andy.

[Ronnie Haram]

Like, that's what I mean.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like what? Like, this is why I feel like he does stuff like this, because he's, like, an attorney, and then he, like, tells me about it, and I get bored. And so I feel like that's how he took advantage of me, because it's. I'll be like, all right, next week. Like, don't bore me with this. Like, you know, I don't want to hear about it. She's like, I want to. I want to be involved in the conversations. They're so boring, though.

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah. It's like, but do not talk to me about it. And then she feels like he hasn't given her anything because he put it in a trust, which means he did give her everything. It's in a trust. But she's like, what's a trust?

[Ben Mandelker]

That's stupid.

[Andy Cohen]

I'm not going to talk about that. What? He treats me like an idiot, so I don't have a house.

[Ronnie Haram]

Bam.

[Ben Mandelker]

Ashley tries to insert herself into this reunion because she's settled two things. And she's like, you know, Alicia, as I've gotten to know you and Billy Moore.

[Ronnie Haram]

Billy would never, ever leave you without

[Ben Mandelker]

half, and I just want you to be safe too. But that is such a good man. Like, what are you talking about, Ashley? And also, when a relationship goes sour, don't trust any of these men when it comes to the money they take. They go for all of it. All of it.

[Andy Cohen]

But especially someone that comes from the bachelor world. She's like, you know what? Men are trustworthy. Yeah, you totally trust him. So they all agree that Billy's the best. And Andy asked Rosie if she's 50. 50 on her house, and she is, because she paid for half of it. It, too, thank you very much. So Joellen turns to Kelsey and smile at each other, like, huh? And Rosie's like, you can keep looking at each other. I mean, I can get the paperwork for you if they'll let me bring out my briefcase.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Kelsey's like, well, I know you got two mortgages on your house, babe. Because, you know when you say babe, it's always like, babe has been weaponized in modern parlance now. So when someone says babe, it's like. And so Rosie's like. She's like, we have a construction loan. And Kelsey's like, and a mortgage, babe. Anyone can look that up. And Rose is like. It's bundled together. Like, this is like very normal, literal idiot.

[Andy Cohen]

She's like, you have a mortgage. You have a. You have a loan. It's called owning things, Kelsey, you fucking twit. Oh, my God.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, that's like, what happens. That's.

[Andy Cohen]

You know, it works with everybody except the super rich who just go buy their house, you know, But.

[Ben Mandelker]

Exactly.

[Andy Cohen]

That's always a funny diss on housewives when they're like, oh, really? You have a mortgage? Remember that was like a Beverly Hills thing. Like, how.

[Ben Mandelker]

Such a strange claim. So Kelsey's like. She's making it seem like she just paid $689,000 for a house. Babe, you have a mortgage with 10% down. Relax. She's like, I never said that. That's not how normal people buy houses. It's crazy that she just always has to go after me. I mean, I have a literal briefcase, and she's still gonna go after me.

[Andy Cohen]

Did you look up her mortgage information? She's like, someone sent it to me. Oh, really? Joe Allen?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I'm sure it was Gary who works in mortgages. The easiest detective. The detective story there. Like, someone sent her the mortgage. Oh, is the guy who's married to the woman who's been bringing up all the receipts for everyone in that field. It's literally Joellen.

[Andy Cohen]

Every single thing is Joellen. I heard it from buddy. So Kelsey's like, yeah, but, like, you're making it seem like I can't afford a house. And she's like, listen, I'm sorry for whatever I've done to upset you. Just, I don't want you to be upset with me. Please accept my apology.

[Ronnie Haram]

Do you accept her apology and her eye roll afterwards?

[Ben Mandelker]

And Kelsey's like, well, I don't. Look, actions speak louder than words, and, like, you're just as bad as me. So, like, let's not say I'm the only mean girl here. We are both doing it to each other. We're like a double mortgage of our relationship.

[Andy Cohen]

Well, after weeks of you attacking me, like I attacked you back, so. And Joelle was, like, saying that. She was like, you know what? Like, at the pageant, like, that her ex paid off the judges. Like, that's what you did to her. Rosie's like, oh, my God. Well, you keep doing nasty things to me. Yeah, I'm so nasty. I'm sorry. I said I'm sorry. Okay, let's hold there. We'll pick it up after the break. Can someone explain to Alicia what a dress is?

[Ben Mandelker]

So Rula turns to Liz. She goes, don't worry. I don't think that you're. You're too scary. And she goes, so then. Then now that meanwhile, the husbands have all arrived and they're in the. The husband's lounge getting mic'd up and everything, and jury is like, hey, Brian, who you texting? And he's like, who am I texting? I'll show you.

[Miles Gray]

Right here.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm texting my father. Does your father in your cell phone as big boob girl? Yes.

[Andy Cohen]

Why did that do a boob pick? What the hell? It's like father. And Gary's like, oh, how you think the ladies are doing out there? Hey, how you think everybody's doing? You think everybody's still doing okay out there?

[Ben Mandelker]

And Billy is like, well, there's gotta be a couple of wars, right? And Jared's like, so, are you team Kelsey or team Rosie? Or in my case, team Latte? And Billy's like, well, she's my little slam pig.

[Ronnie Haram]

So.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Oh, I'm sorry. That's the other Billy. That's. That's so funny. Our note taker has to say Billy parentheses Kelsey, because they're two billies. And I read it as Billy Parentheses,

[Andy Cohen]

Alicia, Billy, Billy, Jerry, Gary, and Brian. So it's very Jersey. So then, you know, the guys are just all like, oh, that fight was really crazy, huh? Wow. So then Alicia's. Billy is like, I don't even know why that fight. I didn't even know what happened until I watched the show. Alicia didn't tell me. You know, I would be like, how's the day? And she'd be like, I can't tell you. It was terrible. I can't tell you. I can't. It was terrible. I don't remember. I'm so stressed out. Bye.

[Miles Gray]

Bye.

[Andy Cohen]

Gotta go.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's very. I can fully imagine that happening, you know? So now we're back on the stage, and Joanne's like, look at the back of my dress right now. They had to sew it together. They had to sew it because you sleep with doctors. Too many doctors rip the back of your dress. A quiet ruler. So they're.

[Ronnie Haram]

Andy's like, liz, how long have you and Jerry been together? She's like, almost 22 years. He's like, wow.

[Ben Mandelker]

And was like, that's a long time.

[Ronnie Haram]

A long time. Yeah. Well, a couple of stints off here and there. Well, okay, well, I guess everyone needs a break, including me. I want to go home right now.

[Andy Cohen]

All right, we're back. Kelsey, when you competed for Miss usa, the announcer said Kelsey was once struck by a drunk driver. While she was at the hospital, a neurologist discovered she had a brain tumor. It's not a rumor. The doctors removed the tumor. Was that announcer ever given credit for rhyming? Because that was pretty good. It's pretty clever.

[Ronnie Haram]

We'd love to hire him to do the intros for Watch what Happens live.

[Andy Cohen]

So, Kelsey, I didn't know that they were gonna say that until I was there, but, like, you know, I did get hit, and, you know, I went to make sure that I was okay, but it turns out that, you know, they accidentally found a brain tumor. It was an accident.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow.

[Ronnie Haram]

And is it true you put off brain surgery to compete in a regional pageant?

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, yeah, because it was, like, the size of almost like a golf ball. And if I didn't get removed, I would have lost all my peripheral vision. But it was worth it to. To be in a pageant.

[Ronnie Haram]

Okay, great.

[Andy Cohen]

All right, so that runner up trophy didn't win itself.

[Ronnie Haram]

Okay, so Swiffer from wetjet says there's a rumor circulating online that Kelsey may have been an escort and charged 29k

[Ben Mandelker]

for dinner and dessert.

[Ronnie Haram]

Have you heard that?

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, I would never get dessert on a date. So this is totally false.

[Andy Cohen]

How many times have me eat dessert. Thank you. Case rested.

[Ben Mandelker]

I've never sold any of my holes for money. Just want to say it. Just let me get this straight. Never sold any of my holes for money.

[Andy Cohen]

Rosa goes, that's an interesting way of saying it. First of all, 29,000 for dinner and dessert. Sign me up. Where do you get that? I mean, if you did that, good for you.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'd give up one of the holes for it. I suppose some one of them.

[Andy Cohen]

Give whatever hole you wanted. I give you my ear holes. Like, literally 29K. Yeah. And dessert. I mean, that's part of the payment.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Kelsey's like, I have proof of me going to the state barracks for getting harassed by somebody, and they were stealing my photos and making fake pages of me. I'm like, well, to be fair, it did take us about 12 weeks to figure out the difference between you and Rosie. So it's. It's understandable that someone may have confused you for an escort in Rhode island, because we all kind of think everyone looks the same on this show.

[Andy Cohen]

So this sounds crazy. So she's like, well, yeah, it was somebody else that was using my face to be an escort. And Andy's like, well, how would you book that person? And she says, all of a sudden, it stopped because, you know, I was looking, and then it stopped. So we don't know who it was? No, like, I know. I know it was some actual escort in Boston who was hanging around the same crew of people that I was hanging out with, you know, so

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm Kelsey.

[Ronnie Haram]

What?

[Andy Cohen]

So you were hanging around a crew of the people of people that also hung out with escorts, and one of them used your face, but you're not an escort. And then it stopped.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know if she's an escort, if she ever was an escort. I honestly don't even care because I think there's no shame in the game. And like you said, $29,000 for dinner and dessert. Go for it. You know, do it. Do what you need to do. And I also don't think that just because she's in an untraditional relationship that then that equates to her being an escort. What I do think is that she's not a very smart person, and listening to her explain things and trying to, like, understand mortgages and all these different concepts is hilarious.

[Andy Cohen]

I literally never came into this even thinking that she was an escort, but after her answers, I think she just shouldn't answer things. She's just one of those people. She just say, no, she should do, like Brian later and say, I can't answer this. A court case, no matter what it is. Like, what'd you have for breakfast today? Don't tell me. It's gonna sound stupid, you know?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Like, what happened to her pageant training on how to answer questions that you don't know the answers for, you know?

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah, I don't know. But she says, I've never been an escort. I would never be an escort. Okay, well, Scott from Dale said, kelsey, when you were with your ex, you two had an agreement. Can you explain what that agreement was? And she's. Well, no, look, there was no agreement. Right. And that's why I really don't align with, like, the polyamory title. But you knew he was seeing other people. Whoa. Like, okay. Yeah. So I learned things the longer I was with them that there was somebody else, and then that kind of went away. And then at that point, it was kind of like a free for all, and I didn't really know who he was with. Didn't she say, in the beginning of this season, I'm with this guy. I get to live the life I want to live, and he has. Has other girlfriends and a separate life where he lives half the year, and it's fine by me?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, yeah, she did say that. So.

[Andy Cohen]

So why change it? Just stick with it. Do you think she's getting, like, a lot of online shame about it?

[Ben Mandelker]

Probably. And again, she's just not a very bright person. So Andy is like, were you ever jealous? She goes, at the beginning when there was, like, one other person in another state, I'd be, like, a little jealous. Until I met up with that person and had a mutual understanding and agreement not to post each other with him online. And then after that, it kind of was, like, out of sight, out of mind. So, like, different state, don't care. Also, he took the seeds out of my lemons. So, I mean, that. That counts for a lot for me.

[Andy Cohen]

So, yes, that was happening in Miami. And she says, yeah, is she still with him? And she's like, no, they haven't been together since 2020. Because, like, one thing people don't understand is people age at the same time.

[Ronnie Haram]

You have a new girlfriend.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm sure he has women that he takes out and does, like, a lot of, you know, stuff. And he was.

[Ronnie Haram]

Well, he was dating Paul Abdul, I'd

[Ben Mandelker]

just like to add. And she's so proud. She's like, he did before me. Yeah, I used to stay at Paul Abdul's house with him. And when we went to la, they're friendly now. Yeah, it's great.

[Andy Cohen]

Okay, so how did she meet the ex? She's like, oh, my God. We met at a tanning salon. Right. Joellen. Because it was like Joellen worked there and like the owner of the tanning salon and my ex were best friends.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Andy's like, wow. So your ex originally agreed to be on the show? Everyone.

[Ronnie Haram]

But then he changed his mind.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Before he knew it was Housewives, he was on my casting tapes. And then as soon as he knew it was Housewives, he was like, nope, nope, not happening. Because did Paula get to him?

[Andy Cohen]

Because he watches Housewives? I love the answer. She's like, yeah, he watches. The girls are going to be talking about me. I have no control over it, you know? And he's like, well, interestingly enough, he was very talked about.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's like, what was his reaction to the show? She's like, oh, he likes it. So he likes it. But he didn't want to be on it, I guess, because he knew if he was on it, he probably would get the same scrutiny that Brian got. So.

[Andy Cohen]

And also the illegal dealings and such. And like, look at all the people who are, you know, famously in prison after their housewives stint, you know?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Andy Cohen]

So they talk a little bit about where she's living. She's living with Bill and now she has been cut off of her sugar daddy payments. But she. Bill pays for her car and she pays for her health insurance. And he asks about at dinner with Kelsey and Joe, Ellen, you mentioned you also had an ex boyfriend paying for things. Anyone else been in a relationship like this? No, no, no, Rula? No, no, nobody. Nobody. And Kelsey's like, you're missing out, guys. You're missing out.

[Ronnie Haram]

Rula, how are you and Brian doing?

[Ben Mandelker]

We're doing a lot better right now, Andy, day by day, day by day, working on things.

[Ronnie Haram]

I love that show. I guess I was step by step either way. I love. I love one thing. Buy one thing. So Andy's like, show of hands. Who thinks that Rula was really sick?

[Ben Mandelker]

And so they all sort of like raised their hands slowly, reluctantly. And Will's like, well, it didn't seem like it though. And actually like, well, it was stress induced for sure. And we see a flashback of her being sick, etc, so Joanne's like, I think it was mental and it was causing havoc on your bodies. Alicia's like, yeah, your body breaks down when you're not. When you're stressed. We don't have a cracker. I get sick every time I drive the car. The anxiety just makes me sick instantly. Can't do more than 20.

[Andy Cohen]

I was at the hospital twice and on my back for 14 days. I was like, so effing sick. But there's definitely stress that piled on the entire summer. Not gonna lie. It was Joellen. It was the Joellen stress. It almost killed me. He's like, the stress of your marriage or. And she's like, absolutely. And Joanne's like, well, you agreed. It happened the whole summer with Brian, the mistress. Do you agree to agree or do not agree?

[Ben Mandelker]

I. I don't know. I know he was saying and doing things so she wouldn't go buck wild.

[Ronnie Haram]

It's like, oh. And that's what Brian was telling you.

[Ben Mandelker]

And so you.

[Ronnie Haram]

And so because he was telling you this, you were able to discount what Drew Allen was telling you?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes, I was. Because I was so sick, Andy. Sicker than a dog. Sicker than you could ever imagine. The sickest of all time. Just wishing that all this stuff would stop coming to me. Obviously, it was part of the reason why I was getting sick all the time and why I lost all the weight and why my nose changed shape. And I wish people could respect the fact that I'm trying to work on things. You know, we had a tracking app. He's, you know, he'll be around. And then I knew he was at work. Things like that.

[Andy Cohen]

Wait a minute. You had a tracking app on him? You had each other's locations, and why was he tracking your car? She goes, goes, I have no idea. What. What do I know? And Joel's like, do you remember me telling you he had a tracker on you? I knew he had a tracker on you. Remember? Remember?

[Ben Mandelker]

Maybe I can't recall clearly because of the stress and the illness. And the stress illness, but maybe you did. And we do see never before seen footage at Polo of Joellen asking Brian, do you track her? Because you told the mistress you did. He goes, that was a long time ago. You know, I don't track her. She's like, oh, no. Because she told me that, like, what, like a week ago, she said you track her.

[Andy Cohen]

This.

[Ronnie Haram]

I love it. I love a track.

[Andy Cohen]

God, this guy is just terrible. Terrible man. Everything that comes out of his mouth. Did you see the mistress posted? Let me see where it is.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, she's always posting. What's the latest now?

[Andy Cohen]

Oh, God, where is it? I had it in here. I have pictures of random people. Well, I won't read it verbatim. But it was something like, I don't only have receipts. I've got boxloads of information that I could give. It's like, okay, all right. Are you not getting enough attention, lady? She's posting all over everything. So basically Andy's like, okay, we'll get into it with the husbands. We'll get into the husbands. Okay, so Alicia said that she had a Spanish teacher who was married to Brian. And Ruler goes, I know her. Well, I'm sure you know where it's Brian's ex wife. She goes, yes, yes, Andy. So did you have an affair with Brian while he was married? She goes, no. God no. Brian was already divorced a good year and a half, two years, 15 years, 30 years before I was introduced to him.

[Ben Mandelker]

He is actually just born three days beforehand. But he has a special syndrome where he actually grows into a middle aged man the moment you meet him and then stays that age. So know, you know, this was all brand new information. So Joanne's like, oh, okay, really? So, like, what year did you guys get introduced? She goes, why?

[Andy Cohen]

Why?

[Miles Gray]

Why?

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm just, I'm just wondering.

[Andy Cohen]

Ruler. No, no, no. Joe. Well, and no, no, no.

[Ben Mandelker]

Did you get married? When's your anniversary?

[Andy Cohen]

Well, how long have you been with Ryan?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, yeah. Why can't you answer when your anniversary is, huh?

[Andy Cohen]

We met in 2013.

[Ben Mandelker]

Huh? Okay, and what year was Brian divorced?

[Andy Cohen]

2010.

[Ben Mandelker]

And what year did you get married?

[Andy Cohen]

20. What do you. Why are you asking these questions? Why are you asking these questions? Wait a minute.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Andy's doing this thing where he's looking left and right and he has that, like, little smile on his face, like, oh, great. I love when I, when someone else does the job for me.

[Andy Cohen]

Well, I'm just curious because you said they got divorced in 2010, right? But then they didn't get divorced in 2010, they got divorced in 2016. Joelle and Joellen. He's got the divorce, doc. So do I. I've got the divorce document right here. It's on my phone. Don't even try to go that, Joe. Well, because he got divorced in March of 2016. So when was your anniversary? So what was the date of that, Joel? And ask Brian when he comes. Okay,

[Ben Mandelker]

yeah. Oh, ask Brian when he comes. Like, you can't say your anniversary. She goes, that's none of your business. So when's your anniversary?

[Ronnie Haram]

It's like, yeah, what's. What's the actual accusation?

[Ben Mandelker]

Are they married? And he's like, oh, so you don't

[Ronnie Haram]

think that they're married.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Ruler's like, oh, my God. All right, Joel. And she sleeps with doctors. She goes, no, I don't know if they are. I'm asking, when is your anniversary? Yeah.

[Andy Cohen]

So Andy's like, are you legally married? And she's like, I'm 100% legally married. And can you say the date? That's none of your business. Well, when you got pregnant, was Brian still legally married? No. Yes, he was. Yes, he was. Yes, he was. So Rula says that they met in 2010. The divorce evidence that Joellen shows us, like, we see it, and it says that the divorce was initially filed in 2011. So, I mean, they filed in 2011, so, you know, maybe it took a divorce, but they did file. But still, like, if you met in 2010 and then it's like a basket.

[Ben Mandelker]

Basket weaving. There's a lot of overlapping. A lot of overlapping.

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah, there's a lot.

[Ben Mandelker]

Cyrulla's like, that's not the truth, Joelle. And she's oh, I have proof. She goes, who the are you? You're a psychopath. She goes, I know. Thank you. She's so proud. It was like one of these just a great. Just a great, like, forever reunion moment that we'll be remembering for years to come.

[Andy Cohen]

So what's the big deal? I mean, I had a baby out of wedlock. What's the big deal? Just go ahead and say it. She's like, joel and Ruler, winter wedding. Why you go in there? I'm just asking. We've been married for nine and a half, 10, 15, 37 years. What do you want from me, Joe Wildline?

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, really? Then Brian is a polygamist, right? Right, Kelsey? Because he must have been married to you and the Spanish teacher at the same time. Really goes, well, this is news to my ears. Why don't you go ahead and show us? So Joel's like, well, he got divorced in March of 2016, and you got pregnant in February. And. And.

[Ronnie Haram]

Okay, let's look at the evidence. Okay, let's take a look.

[Ben Mandelker]

And so it's there. Like. Like, it's real deal evidence. That's indisputable.

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah. So it says filed on 7. 7, 2011. There. There you go. So case. Case dismissed. So Joellen's like, well, when does it say closed roulette? When did. When does it. When did it finalize? 3, 24, 2016. Nah, just.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know. Ask him. Go ahead and ask him. She goes, the quest don't lie. She goes, well, ask him. I just and he's like, well, I think it's interesting.

[Ronnie Haram]

He has lied to you before, so is it possible that he lied to you about these dates?

[Andy Cohen]

She's like, I don't know. Ask him. It's the first time hearing of any of this. So, okay, so she said that he got divorced in. She. She said they've been married nine or 10 years, and it's 2026, 2025 when this film. So that would be nine or 10 years. Right. I don't know why I. To make room.

[Ben Mandelker]

I think she's trying to. At this point now, she's, like, afraid of giving up any information because she knows it's like, classic police rules. Anything you say or do will be used against you. And she's not, like, sharp enough to know how anything's going to be used against her. So she's just trying to keep all her cards close to the vest. But Joellen really has her here. And Andy is as the moderator. He's being nice by. He's not saying he. No, he lied to you.

[Ronnie Haram]

You.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's saying. He's like, oh, but have you considered that.

[Ronnie Haram]

That maybe he might have lied to you?

[Ben Mandelker]

So Rula's been God, essentially.

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's almost like it's actually painful.

[Andy Cohen]

It is painful. And Joanne's like, how would you guys be married? And she's. Because Joel. And we got blessed by a priest. Oh, my gosh. Well, we know that that does not mean you're married. We're watching Bravo here. Okay. Multiple source have storylines of we had a great wedding. Oh, never filed the paperwork. Mark.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, exactly. What if it was maxi priest? It's like, it wasn't even a religious priest. It was just maxi priests. So Ashley is like, well, it doesn't matter. Not knowing about it doesn't matter. Really Goes, this is none of your business. Jon goes, I was just asking when your anniversary is. I know it's difficult to talk about. You called me a liar. I'm not a liar. I tell the truth every single time. And I'm gonna prove this point for the next 55 minutes of screen time.

[Andy Cohen]

Oh, my gosh. She's like, you know. You know what you want. You know what you've done. You've got rap sheets. She goes, roulette, did you get pregnant while Brian was still married to his wife? Really?

[Ronnie Haram]

Really?

[Andy Cohen]

Because according to the paper, unless he lied to me. No, Joellen, he was living on his own.

[Ben Mandelker]

She goes, fine. Divorce to take a while. I get it.

[Ronnie Haram]

And he goes, okay, hold that thought. Hold that thought you're just getting a

[Ben Mandelker]

little bit too good at this.

[Ronnie Haram]

Okay, the men of Rhode island are gonna join us. Don't go anywhere.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'd love to see you ask these questions to Brian.

[Ronnie Haram]

Okay.

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[Andy Cohen]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Andy Cohen]

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[Ronnie Haram]

so

[Ben Mandelker]

here come the men.

[Andy Cohen]

The guys are all getting their mics checked and Gary's like, I'm getting a little nervous here. I could go for a mint julep.

[Ben Mandelker]

Not what I expect Gary to say. And they, but they put the mic on him. He goes, hey, this was Gary reporting live. It's like me when I was a kid with the camcorder.

[Andy Cohen]

So they all come out and are complimenting the ladies and stuff. And then they sit down and Kelsey's like, jerry, is that Armani? Wow. He's like, you guys are beautiful. I could kiss everyone, but I won't ruin anyone's makeup up.

[Ben Mandelker]

So they sit down and Jon's like, she tells Gary. We were just screaming at each other. I was like, when's your anniversary? And she's like, I'm not telling you. She's like, got a. Got it.

[Andy Cohen]

So, so welcome back. We're joined by the husbands, boyfriends, boyfriends and fiances. Beyonce is in Rhode Island. Jared, Rich, Brian, Jerry, Billy, Gary, Bill, Jerry, Gill. Jerry, Billy, Billy, Billy, Darren. Darren, Derek. Am I. Do I have any of these clothes? So, hey guys. Jerry, mazel on the grandbaby. He's like, yeah, yeah. How's the pizza business going? Billy, you know, he's just asking all the little questions and Stuff. And then Jared is talking about his ice machine because Andy's like, it's the ice machine fix.

[Ronnie Haram]

Yeah,

[Ben Mandelker]

there was actually. I'm not saying that I was pining for more Jared content, but, like, literally, the only. This is the only question I think that Jared got, which was, did you fix your ice machine? And I would have liked a question like, do you like your wife? That would have been fun. Or do you like your coffee? Do you like your coffee shop more than your wife? What do you like more, the sound of the foamer or your wife? I just. Anything, you know. But it was just about the size machine, and that was it.

[Andy Cohen]

Jared, you clearly hate your life. Okay, moving on.

[Ben Mandelker]

Know.

[Andy Cohen]

So Jared says that because of the show, the guy who made the ice machine called Jared and was like, we're fixing that ice machine. I'm doing it myself, damn it. So you go ice guy. Then we're talking about how hot Gary is, and he's like, well, I think it's the dad bod. That bod. The wood.

[Ronnie Haram]

Yeah. Well, I have from interaction says, says Gary and Joellen, can you straighten out your timeline for us? First comes Jed, then comes Joellen. How far after Jen did you and Joellen start dating?

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like those during high school and I met Joanne. And then after high school, we just started getting together. And then I definitely knew Jen first. And, like, we were all in a class together. High school became good friends. Good friends. But, yeah, like, I wanted to put, you know, Jen was like, you know, younger sister, so, like, whatever.

[Ronnie Haram]

But did you ever donate your sperm to. Would you ever donate your sperm to Jenny's? Like.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, I wouldn't donate. I would just give it straight up. Just get. Put it right in there. That's it. In fact, I have no deposits.

[Andy Cohen]

No deposits being made over there, Andy. But you did touch your boobs in the seventh grade. He's like, I did get a nice fist full of boobs in the summer, right?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes, that's true. Almost full of bulbs.

[Andy Cohen]

Chelsea, you and Billy, is there a timeline for wedding? And she's like, no, I just feel like last year, life is getting exciting, you know? But for him, like, if I say go, he'll drop, right, babe?

[Ben Mandelker]

And he's like, yeah, absolutely. And so, Jersey, explain drop.

[Ronnie Haram]

It's like, okay, well, you mean you'll drop on a need propose?

[Ben Mandelker]

He's like, oh, Jerry's like, I thought he meant drop the shorts.

[Ronnie Haram]

No, I thought you meant drop your Spam.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, like, oh, my God, you guys, stop.

[Ronnie Haram]

So Andy's like, okay, Kelsey, there was some question related to the timeline of your breakup. And as it. As it related to production of the show, you two were actually at odds for, like, a year. Is that right?

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, yeah. I mean, there have been times where, like, I've been broken up with him three, two times a year. And I went to the barracks, and I was like, he's broken up with a different girl using my photos and things like that. But I did sleep at his house, and people would see him, Bill, and they wouldn't even know, like, what's going on. And, like, my relationship is very complex to a lot of people to understand. I was like. Because the stories don't make sense.

[Andy Cohen]

And she keeps saying that, like, my relationship is just so complex. No, it wasn't complex. You were sleeping with an older guy for money, and then you were cheating with Billy because that guy was cheating all the time too. More power to you, sister. But it's not complex. Stop. And Billy's like, oh, yeah, we didn't even have sex or nothing for a whole year. I wanted. I wanted. I wanted to wait. Okay, so then Andy's like, well, how are you affected by the rumors of Liz and Dino? And Jerry's like, not affected. We were great friends, and now he's become more famous than us, I think, huh? For all the wrong reasons.

[Ronnie Haram]

Jerry, earlier today, Liz said you were separated and Ruler Brian called you and told you that Liz was another man.

[Ben Mandelker]

And, you know, Liz is doing this whole thing of, like.

[Ronnie Haram]

And that was the plan.

[Ben Mandelker]

It worked out, like, which, by the way, I do not believe whatsoever. And so Andy is like.

[Ronnie Haram]

Andy's like, rula said she didn't call you. Did Rula brag call?

[Ben Mandelker]

And Jerry's like, no, they didn't call. And Rula's like, thank God my friend called and put them on the phone.

[Andy Cohen]

She's like, my friend called and put Brian on the phone. And Joel's like, wait, what?

[Ronnie Haram]

Okay, wait.

[Andy Cohen]

A friend called and put Brian on. So Rila's like, I didn't even know this. So then she turns around and gives Brian the look. Oh, so Brian was on the phone? Yeah, Brian was on the phone with me. So did Brian tell you that Liz was with another man? She was dancing with another man, but I didn't know who he was. Just so you guys know, I'm innocent. Am I right? So this just basically proved what I said the whole time.

[Ben Mandelker]

Innocent Brian has one of his full throated responses. He's like, yeah, I mean, hey, he asked me A question. And I said, I think so. And I didn't even know he was talking to you. And I'm in a lawsuit with the phone company, so I really can't talk about what I said. So Liz is like, see?

[Ronnie Haram]

And I wanted to thank you both because that was the objective was to be found. We were separated and all his friends were around me all night. I certainly didn't try to hide it.

[Andy Cohen]

So we congratulate Billy on his re proposal. And he. He's like, have you admitted the prenup? And Alicia's like, quick question. And Billy's like laughing nervously. And he's like, oh, it's touchy. I mean, look, that was eight years ago. I wish I'd handled it differently, you know, because I'm an attorney. I set a one sided agreement so her attorney wouldn't spend money drafting an agreement. And I literally emailed her attorney, this is just a draft. Tell us what Alicia needs to be comfortable. And then her attorney did, and I had gotten an attorney as well. And we pretty much agreed to almost everything she asked for. But she just got so upset from the initial way it came off to her. And she's like, you know what? Because I'm not a lawyer, like, I was mad I had to do that. Like I had to get a lawyer. It's not old school. It's not old school at all.

[Ronnie Haram]

Billy, what was your job before you

[Ben Mandelker]

got the food business? He's like, well, I was in the food business because of my family, but I was a corporate M and A attorney, Merchants and acquisitions. And he's like, so you're savvier than

[Ronnie Haram]

the average pizza guy?

[Ben Mandelker]

Which is. Pizza guys are like, hey. So Billy is like, yeah, I guess, to say the least, you know. So Andy's like, well, can you talk

[Ronnie Haram]

about this trust a little bit? Like, I don't think that she fully knows what trust is.

[Ben Mandelker]

Just is. And he goes, correct. She can just come with me to the estate attorney and we'll go through it. And she's like, oh, but it's so boring. I just want a quick answer. I heard it was a car. Is it a Chrysler? He's like, no, no. And he's like, so, Billy, are you

[Ronnie Haram]

sensitive to her feeling like she's not

[Ben Mandelker]

fully enough of a participant in your finances?

[Andy Cohen]

Thank. Yeah, you know, so I consistently ask it, let's do a once a month meeting. She's like, oh, my God. Meetings. Oh God, oh God. I can't do. Was it meeting with a lawyer? Like, I can't do that, like, why would I have to do that? And Andy's like, billy, I'm starting to sympathize with you. She's like, oh, my God, the money talk. My brain shuts down. Like, where am I? Right? I can't see. I can't see right now. Where am I?

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, my God. Someone called the oyster cracker. Called the oyster cracker. People tell them, like, I'm blind. I can't do my cracker anymore. So Andy's like, well, it sounds like

[Ronnie Haram]

she went back on driving Selena to dance. How's that going?

[Ben Mandelker]

And he's like, like, oh, God, I am willing to give Alicia more if she just drives Alita to and from dance. So with that said, Alicia, I have something for you. Okay. It's an updated prenup. And all it says is, I will give you literally every single thing. I will hand over all of pizza, mama. I just. I'm sick of driving Selena to dance.

[Ronnie Haram]

I don't know.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's too much.

[Ronnie Haram]

I can't.

[Ben Mandelker]

I can't do it. I don't know. I don't know.

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah. So the prenup says that she gets half laugh if she just takes the damn kid to dance. And she's like, okay, okay, I will. And she goes, does my mom count? Then I'm pounded off on her mom.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's like, I've run out of podcasts. I'm literally living, listening to static now I've reached the end of the Internet. There's nothing for me to do. So many hours driving Selena to dance. Please, please drive her.

[Andy Cohen]

So Alicia takes a pen and signs the agreement. And she's like, I kind of feel bad, Billy. And. And he's like, well, maybe you should read that first. Okay? Because we've had a housewife who didn't read the document comments her husband gave her. And we was like, I. I'd read it, but I don't want to be liable. I don't.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Jerry's like, I don't want to be liable. So then. And that she signs it. It's great. And Andy's like, do you feel great? And Brian, how are you feeling? He's like, I feel great.

[Ronnie Haram]

Really?

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, sometimes, Andy, you have to hit rock bottom before the Lord can bring you back up. That was Brian's one attempt. He clearly was like, chat GPT. What should I say? He's like, okay, this should probably be enough. They'll see I'm a devoted religious man

[Andy Cohen]

and we'll be Ryan's Really Lord in there lot a Lot of Jesus emanating off Brian there. So, you know, someone would argue being on a reality show while an affair is in progress or maybe just ended might be not the best idea. Did you ever think you were gonna get caught? And he's like, unfortunately, Andy, because of like, le legal reasons, I can't really comment too well on that. What? Well, you know, like, I'm. I'm bound by like a. A non disclosure agreement.

[Ben Mandelker]

So this is like Huda avoiding every question. Last year in the Love island reunion because she said, I'm in a Netflix show. So unfortunately, I can't disclose anything. I can't. I can't speak on anything because of Netflix.

[Ronnie Haram]

Alex.

[Andy Cohen]

So you were in a lawsuit with this person. What's the nature of the lawsuit? Real is like, I don't think you can speak on that, honey. Can you? He's like, no, no, no, I can't really speak to that, Andy. Okay, you can't speak to what the lawsuit is. And Gary's like, I mean, that's just ridiculous. Come on. I can speak on it. Andy, he opened a business. He made this individual and another individual part owners to keep them engaged. Rula, what are you doing here? Get out of this relationship. This man started a business with his woman, his affair woman, so he'd have an excuse to see her even more,

[Ben Mandelker]

not to keep her. If you want to, like, keep your. Your employees engaged, you, like, take them out to happy hour or something. You don't make them actual partners of your business. Cyril is like. And this was before anything was going on. Okay, let's be clear. Well. Well, in that case, the engagement seemed to have really worked.

[Ronnie Haram]

So Andy's like, did you know he made her a part owner?

[Ben Mandelker]

And was like, he told me. I wasn't thrilled. So yada yada, yada, fast forward. They gave up their shares back to him. What am I forgetting? I'm like, maybe where the lawsuit is if they gave up the shares.

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah, Joel's like, a lot. You're forgetting a lot. Well, you can't say he's in a lawsuit. Yeah, but one individual ended up suing Brian. She was a nurse practitioner for some funds, and then Brian ended up suing him. Rule is like, oh, my God, I can't. Again with this receipts lady.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Joel's like, well, go ahead, say it. Then you said, what am I forgetting? I was helping you. Not everybody makes it their business to go poking in other people's business. I mean, you literally called up her business. Like, you literally called Joellen's Business to try to get her fired, or at least Brian did. So Joanne's like, well, I do. I have nothing better to do. I'm unemployed thanks to Brian, which is great. She's like, I got time on my hands because of you guys, so I'm gonna look up all your shit.

[Andy Cohen]

Joe Allen, don't say that. It's not Brian. It's because you use the company card for things you can't afford. She's like, what? What are you talking about? Okay, okay, so the business. No, let's get back to some Joellen dirt. I love that Joellen gets. Gets to skate with everything. Was Joellen using company funds to do

[Ben Mandelker]

her thing or rules? Like, well, the lawsuit happened. They all had to sign an NDA.

[Ronnie Haram]

Okay, I want to switch gears. Let's go to the polo match.

[Ben Mandelker]

And so we see all the stuff that happened. The polo match.

[Ronnie Haram]

Brian, there's a theory online that your mom wasn't sick. The phone call came from the mistress, threatened to show up with you, so you went to calm her down, and he came back to Polo with Rula. If the. If the. If the rumor is true, say that you can't talk about it because of a lawsuit. Okay, what are you gonna say about that? That.

[Andy Cohen]

Okay, okay, I'll. I'll speak to the facts of that day. So we left Angelo's, which is in Cumberland, and we drove to Lincoln and I dropped her at home because she said, if we go by your parents house, my in laws were watching the kids and if I see the kids, they're going to cry. I don't want to see the kids. And he's like, I get it, I'm a dad. But I wanted to go back to Polo. So, you know, we went back to Polo and Andy's ruler's. Like, no one ever said that he was going to the hospital, so that was a lie. They just said he was going to go see mother. Right. What was just heard him say the mom was going to the hospital.

[Ben Mandelker]

So it's just so strange. Like, what's the point of leaving with your man? Like, you find out that your mother in law is in the hospital, so you leave with your man. That makes sense. You're going to go with him, you're going to support him while he supports her, etc. But what's that point of just like going with him and then just being dropped off at home and then waiting and then he comes back and you drive back to Polo. It just seemed like such a strange sequence of events in general.

[Miles Gray]

Girl.

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah, I Guess she was gonna go to the hospital with him. But then once she realized that the kids were at the house, she didn't want to go to the house to see the kids.

[Ben Mandelker]

So clearly she attached.

[Andy Cohen]

Makes any sense, you know, she clearly

[Ben Mandelker]

attached herself to the plan because he. He was. He was clearly lying, I think. And so she was like, I'm gonna go with you. I'll go with you to the hospital. And then he was like, no, no, no, no, no. Just stay at the house. And then she was like, okay. He said, stay at the house, so I'll stay at the house. He did whatever he could to get right.

[Andy Cohen]

She knew that that was a lie to get them the hell out of filming. But then they went home, and he was like, you know what? I'm gonna run to work to check on something. And then he went to check on this mistress who had been texting him and doing all this stuff during the polo. So he went to calm her down, and meanwhile, the mistress took a picture inside of his car that he didn't know about. And then he's like, okay, you calm, sweetie. And then he went to get rule, line, rule as well. Like, we're going back to polo. And then meanwhile, the mistress is like, oh, really? You're going to go back to Polo? And then text Joellen this picture that she was just in the car. That's when I'm getting together. And it's beyond up.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's. It is so r. Then says that she didn't even want to. The. The mom didn't even go to the hospital. I mean, this. So. And he's like, well, then where did you.

[Ronnie Haram]

Where did you go if you didn't go to the hospital?

[Ben Mandelker]

And Brian's like, my parents live two and a half miles from our house. So it's kind of like, what is. Why did you leave filming then for this if she didn't even go to the hospital? Like, obviously, he just got stuck with Rilla while he was trying to escape to have an affair.

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah. Or I think that they were like, where she was filming. He went off to do his own thing. And then Rulu was getting texts from the other women, like, oh, Joe Allen is doing this and this and this. You better get back here. And she's like, we're going back to Polo. Whatever it is, it's just up. Joellen, I do think it's kind of a crazy pants. Like, she's going. So far, the investigation is, like, legit psycho, I think. But Rula, to get away from this guy the fact that you're even arguing with somebody with this much evidence again. And it just keeps coming. Now we find out that he started a business to give to keep the mistress closer. I just like Rilla. Come on, man. I was just yelling and groaning through this whole thing because we didn't even get to. Where is Joellen getting all this information? Who is it that Joellen knows? How close is she with the mistress? Why do they seem to be on a texting basis? Like, what the.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, Joellen is. It's gonna come back to her next season, which is the. Like, you know what? That makes me nervous. Joelin's always looking up stuff. I guarantee that Joel will be the butt of scrutiny for season two. So Brian's saying, like, you know, my parents live in Lincoln, and I'm surprised you haven't done the research. And she's like, yeah, I know. I know that you know, because so and so sleeps there. Like, didn't your dad find her underwear in the bed? And Brian's like, what? What are you talking about? She goes, oh, I have the text of that. And so rule is like, joel and Noni. She's like, oh, you can talk about my kids. I can't talk about dirty panties in his dad's bed. I was like, receipts? We didn't even know we. We're needing. They're coming from all sides.

[Andy Cohen]

Oh, yeah? Well, how many dirty panties have you left in other men's beds? She's like, men. Sorry, Gary. Sorry. I had to say Gary. I don't give a. Brian says that your butt smells like garlic. By the way, he tells everybody that.

[Ronnie Haram]

What?

[Andy Cohen]

Okay, okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

So the ruler goes, I don't even eat garlic. I was like, okay, ruler. That's. I'm actually more offended by Rula's lie. You don't eat garlic, Rula.

[Andy Cohen]

You're Lebanese.

[Ben Mandelker]

So.

[Ronnie Haram]

So then Andy's like, well, I mean,

[Ben Mandelker]

butts do smell, but I don't even eat garlic.

[Andy Cohen]

And Joel is like, they smell like garlic candy. Butts smell like garlic. Really? He's like, well, no, but I mean, butts do smell. Joelin's like, come on, garlic. And he goes, wow, now I've heard everything. And Jared's like, wow, I wish my butt smelled like. Like garlic. And Alicia just wakes up. She's like, what? What's going on?

[Ronnie Haram]

Huh? Huh?

[Ben Mandelker]

Should I be crying? So R's like, you know, it's not cuz Alicia's laughing at this and's like, it's not even funny though, Alicia, that's ridiculous. Brian goes, well, in any event, I went home that day and I had my black Hummer all day and I didn't have my other car. And Willow's like, yeah, he was in the black car. He's like, yeah, the Porsche has the red interior, which I know a lot of cars do come with that, by the way. So that what. What happens is I go home and I'm. And she's like, we're gonna go to Polo. And I re. Gelled my hair, which was a very hot day. So I put more gel on my hair and I put my ring in the cup holder. And that's where I lost my ring.

[Andy Cohen]

But I thought you took off your ring to do your son's hair. And I barely watch these shows. And so I was like, well, I. I took it off. It. I took it off in my parents house. And then we went back to my house, I did my hair and you know. So was it so like, like it was. It's like preposterous. Like, why do we keep harping on it? Joellen, I'm assuming you're going to pull out something. She. Yes, Andy, thank you. I was. So the picture that she posted of that Chanel bag in your red car, and then we see never before seen footage, and Joellen is holding her phone with the image of this bag. And she's like, so just out of curiosity, July 17, 2025, we were filming that client, Mr. Brian Pontarelli, purchased a Chanel bag. $4,100, same back. I checked the style number and everything. Your name, your client number. So was that for Ruler? For the other one?

[Ben Mandelker]

How did she even get the Chanel shit? So then Brian's like, well, unfortunately, for legal reasons, I can't speak about that because the legal reasons are about your business, not about purchasing a bag. He's like, are you a lawyer now? So you're a lawyer? And she. He's like, he is. He is. And she points to Billy. Billy's like, whoa, keep me out of this.

[Andy Cohen]

Well, there's nothing illegal about saying no, you didn't buy a bag. He's like, the only person I've ever bought a Chanel bag for. And my wife. My wife. That's it. Wait, is that you right there? Is that your purse? Realist, like, that's not me. She goes, gotcha. Gotcha, Brian. Okay, so let's unpack here. How many of you heard rumors about, like, Brian, what the hell? You can't lie about it. And you didn't give her the purse rule is like, wait a minute, I don't got no black Chanel.

[Ben Mandelker]

Joella, Joellen is like just getting from all sides. Like, sides he did not anticipate were even there. And so Andy's like, okay, well how

[Ronnie Haram]

many of you guys heard rumors about Brian before even the filming started?

[Ben Mandelker]

So Joellen, Gary, Rosie and Liz raise their hands. And Gary's like, yeah, well, I ran into them. I was at home with some providence. And oh, actually I know the mistress as well. I mean, her kids went to daycare with our kids. So I knew her and her ex husband and they came right up and she introduced Brian as her boyfriend to me. Brad's like, no, no, no's like, how long ago was that? I mean, it was humming. Was. And so Rula's like, I mean, obviously it doesn't make me happy, but I do know that reps have taken him to Hemingways many times. So. So I don't know why he was. Why I wasn't there personally.

[Andy Cohen]

She says, I don't know, I wasn't there. And then like, well, earlier Rula said that you got divorced from the Spanish teacher in 2010. You two married in 2016. Then Joellen showed us a court document that showed us that you didn't get divorced until March of 2016. Rose, like, she pulled up a court document, explained to them. Because she just pulled this up and was so adamant, as she always is. So explain. I don't know about this. This. I don't know.

[Ben Mandelker]

Was he. Yeah, I was divorced. I was divorced in September 2012. And then roll just looks at him like, you idiot, you just made it worse. And so R is like, well, she's saying pulling something up and keeps making a case, so you handle it. And he goes, well, at this point, I have to ask Joellen something. What's your point? Like, what's your goal and your end point of everything that you've been doing? What's your point of it?

[Andy Cohen]

Thank you for asking me that. I think that my point is I continuously was called a liar and I keep on finding lies. So, you know, if you're going to call me a liar, then I'm just going to have to prove myself. Sorry.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Will was like, but if you're a girl's girl, she's like, well, I'm not a girl's girl to you anymore. Okay? I was until last season, but you called my job. And Ro was like, you know what? I didn't call your job. And you told me I lied 50 times. And so Gary's like, she was being called a liar the whole time, and she wants to prove that she wasn't a liar, so she'll take her to the grave. That's how she is. She's not going to be called a liar when the. When she has facts of the truth.

[Andy Cohen]

So this goes back and forth, you know, about who's a liar. And Ruler's like, I'm not lying about anything. And Andy's like, let's move on.

[Ronnie Haram]

Ruler.

[Andy Cohen]

Going on a reality show when your husband's in the midst or ending an affair seems like you're potentially putting yourself through something. What was your mindset? She's like, yeah, so I thought it had ended at that point. You know, he promised everything was done, so. Oh, well, when did it end? It doesn't matter, Jo Ellen. Brian, just tell us when it ended. Rosie. Rosie looks, like, so bored and annoyed

[Ben Mandelker]

with all of this.

[Andy Cohen]

She's like, we could be talking about my third floor. I mean, I have a briefcase sitting in a green room. Nobody is using it, and you're not even telling the truth. Why don't you just tell the truth? Okay? Just tell the truth. And then we could. We can put it to bed. She's not gonna stop.

[Ben Mandelker]

Joel's like, November 2nd. How about that? Can't wait to be the best boyfriend fiance to you. And I know I. I know what you think. I do a lot. You're so appreciative, but there's so much more I want to do. You wrote that. You wrote that. Do you remember that? And so Brian's shaking his head, and Joellen's like, that's what you texted her. There's a date stamp on it.

[Ronnie Haram]

And Andy's like, okay, so he's not

[Ben Mandelker]

denying he had an affair with this woman. He's basically like, joellen, you've made your point. We all. You're killing it. Don't worry. But now, like, Rula is dying here. She's literally going down in flames. Like, let's have some mercy on this. This poor lady. And. And so Rosie's just like, well, you know, we all know. You didn't know, Rula. We just. We just need Brian to tell us when it ended, so then we can all move on.

[Miles Gray]

So.

[Ben Mandelker]

Because, like, we know it's not your fault.

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah. Joel is like, you didn't do this rule. It's not your fault. It's his fault.

[Ben Mandelker]

Out.

[Andy Cohen]

And they're all like, come on, Ruel. Come on, Ruler. Come on, Rula. You can do it. And they're like, stop deflecting. I'm not deflecting. And Joelle is like, just, you know what? It just ended. Let him tell you that it just ended because it literally just ended 10 minutes ago. I know I have the time stamp.

[Ben Mandelker]

She goes, I support you're trying to make your marriage work. I support that because Joellen's not trying to do good cop after all her bad copying. And he's like, rosie, are you trying

[Ronnie Haram]

to coach Rula to do. To do what?

[Ben Mandelker]

She goes, well, I just think that we all agree that Rula did not know about this. She's very dumb. And she's definitely, like, believing things. And, you know, like, she just wants to believe her husband.

[Ronnie Haram]

That's it.

[Ben Mandelker]

And she's like, if Brian can just admit that when it ended, we could just go forward. And G is like, but she doesn't know when it ended. That's the thing. Well, thank you for keep. Thanks for keeping up, Kelsey. That's the whole point of this. That's why they want Brian to say it. So that way Rul is confronted with reality.

[Andy Cohen]

Okay, I'd like to speak here. Unfortunately, because of the non disclosure, I can't speak on that. No, my God, you idiot. And Jon's like, this is ridiculous. I can tell you the last time they were together. I can tell you the date. Okay, if you don't want to say it, I can. He's like, I will say I've not seen my former partner since Octo. October of last year. Oh, really? Did he say October of last year? October of last year. Survey says that's a lie. Yep, I've got the proof. You're sending your pictures of your son. You're sending your son's Christmas letter list. He's like, oh, come on. I posted that on Instagram. She took a screenshot just like, how

[Ben Mandelker]

would I have a picture of you sending it? She goes, because I posted my son's Christmas list. What? I'm sick. But it's in a text message. Rosie's like, joellen, do you know it's over now according to your proof. Is it over now? And she goes, yes, it ended this year. It's fine. It's over. It's over now. She's like, okay, well, they decided to move forward and try to stay together. I'm bored. Oh, my God. I have a briefcase that's not even being used.

[Andy Cohen]

And Rilla, meanwhile, to Brian is like, why does she keep saying this year? He's like, I can't talk about it. It's non disclosure. She's like, God damn it. God damn it. He's like, legally, I can't even see this person. Yeah, yeah. If he sees her, they're breaking the law.

[Ronnie Haram]

Ruler, is it your impression that the affair ended when?

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know, around October last year maybe. And Johan goes, but what about penis into vagina?

[Ronnie Haram]

Okay, okay. So when the show was filming last

[Ben Mandelker]

year, you believe the affair was over,

[Ronnie Haram]

but now you feel like it was actually happening.

[Ben Mandelker]

Right?

[Andy Cohen]

As much as you hate Joella for it, she's the one who's proven it to you. You should be thinking, Joelle, you should be thinking, they could have pointed it to the light. Yeah, Joel, and that's my girl rules.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, you know what? I'm not blaming you for the info, but I'm blaming you for putting it out there and continuing to invade my privacy. And she's like, but why aren't you blaming Brian for continuing to put it in her? I don't know what else to say. Jeez.

[Andy Cohen]

So Liz is like, you know what?

[Ronnie Haram]

Brian should just say, I up. I mean, I was this, I was that. And you should say, you know, I didn't do this because I loved Ruler

[Andy Cohen]

and wanted to help her.

[Ronnie Haram]

I did it cuz I'm not a nice person. That's what you should say, Jo Ellen. Okay. Really? It was reported that you went to the police with the tracker on your car. Did you know that going to. To the police might lead to your husband's arrest?

[Ben Mandelker]

Because I honestly didn't know. But to be fair, I really don't know a lot of things about a lot of things.

[Ronnie Haram]

And Andy's like, ryan, why did you have a tracking device on the car?

[Andy Cohen]

Well, you know, the case has been dismissed, so I can't discuss dismissed cases.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, my God. Every time he did it, I just, like, laughed because it was so incred. I was so incredulous of how shameless this guy was.

[Ronnie Haram]

Was.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Andy's like, well, if it's been

[Ronnie Haram]

dismissed, why can't you talk about it?

[Ben Mandelker]

He's like, so Gary is like, well, yeah, like, why. Why can't you say anything? And Brian's like, well, I mean, I was trying to do the Bronwyn defense, but I guess not. So I. I can still defend myself even though I can't speak. So basically, I pled not guilty. And I'm glad that this incident happened because what happened is the state initiated a no contact order daughter. And for four weeks, I couldn't talk to her and I couldn't see her, and I Couldn't be near her. And it made me realize how much I love Ruler and how much I miss Ruler and how much I couldn't wait to be with her.

[Andy Cohen]

God, it made me realize how wet my dick can get, I'll tell you that. Four weeks. Give me another one. And Jared is just, like, staring at the camera like, oh, my God, these people are crazy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Are you guys getting this?

[Andy Cohen]

They're like, wow, a tracker on the car. How would you forgive somebody for that? And rule is like, that needs to be earned back. That doesn't just come back overnight. That will take me a long time. Okay, well, you've come back from an arrest and a restraining order to salvage your marriage. You obviously feel like there's something worth fighting for there. Wow. It's like there's so much love since the beginning in 2011, 10, 19, and, you know, cases fractured. It hurts. It's painful. And Brian's like, everything. Everything goes through phases, you know, every relationship. You know, ups, downs, ins, outs, in, out, and out and out. Why do I have a boner? Am I right? Yeah. So, you know, I can continue to be a good person and a good father, mother. And so they're like, what are you gonna do, Rule? If he does this again, you say right now? She's like, I don't know. I told him if this ever happens again. And then I put a dot, dot, dot. I think I'll water some plants.

[Ben Mandelker]

So this is his, like, last chance. Yeah. There's no forgiveness. It's the last chance until the next chance. And so Andy's like, all right, well,

[Ronnie Haram]

I want to thank the men of Rhode island for joining us today. All season long, too. We are gonna leave it here. Thanks for a whole lot of nothing, Brian. Bye. Adios.

[Ben Mandelker]

So the guys leave, and then Brian is. He's backstage, and he's like, yeah, like what you said before. He's like, well, you're welcome, everyone. I gave you a good show. Thanks that you're welcome.

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah. There was a funny little moment where the guys are leaving, and Rosie asks Rulif, she's okay. And she's like, like. I mean, it's so hard. They could say all this stuff about you, but you can't say nothing. And Rosie goes, that's what the second season's for.

[Ronnie Haram]

Yes.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes.

[Andy Cohen]

So we're back with final thoughts. What would everybody change? Ashley would be less nervous. Rosie wouldn't have called Kelsey a polygamist.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know Kelsey. See, Kelsey has. It's. It's hard for her to make friendships you know, and so she. She wants to work on her relationship with Rosie off camera. And Rosie's like, but it has to be off camera. And then roll is like, if I going back, I would have shut things down harder, even sooner. But I don't know if that would have worked with this one. Sleeping with the doctors and such.

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah. And Alicia's big regret. She's like, I wish I would have worn more makeup cuz like I look crazy cuz like my dog bit my face. It's like nuts.

[Ronnie Haram]

All right, well, we're gonna. We're gonna end this reunion with a dirty Shirley, which is Kitty. Rosie, can you tell us what it is?

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like a Shirley Temple with vodka inside. Like, I thought everyone knew that. And so Liz is like, but first

[Ronnie Haram]

I want to present with you something. We all had masks at dinner. Andy.

[Ben Mandelker]

So she gives Andy a masquerade mask, which is funny because I thought she was going to give a mask to Rula, cuz Rula wasn't there. But I guess Rula doesn't get a mask.

[Andy Cohen]

They give him a mask. And it's the king of Rhode Island. And they all hug. It's like, this might make it to the clubhouse. That's.

[Ben Mandelker]

And with that, they give a toast.

[Andy Cohen]

Real Housewives of Rhode Island.

[Ben Mandelker]

Exceptional.

[Andy Cohen]

Great for a season. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

It really was a great first season. Fantastic reunion. Not a minute wasted. I felt like it was wonderful. Thanks everyone for being here. We do love you so much. And we'll catch you on the next episode of Watch Work. Rob Bones. Bye.

[Miles Gray]

Watch what?

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