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Brandy
Lamine Yamal steps into McDonald's, looks left, sees Pulisic, looks right, sees Jimenez, gives a nod to Ronaldinho in the corner with a FIFA World cup meal. Ronaldinho sees son in the booth. Son finds Beckham going for extra Big Mac sauce. He's got Davies at the table just behind him. Davey's going for his collectible cup, a steal by Henry, who pulls his own collectible cup. Collect one of nine legendary cups with a FIFA World cup meal at participating McDonald's for a limited time while supplies last. All rights reserved. 20:26 McDonald's at FIFA World Cup 20:26. Watch what happen who cares what happens when there's so much what happens? Who cares what happens when there's so much that happens? Hello and welcome to Watch what Crappens, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. This is part two of the recap. If you missed part one, go check out your podcast feed. It's right there. And without further ado, let's get right back into the recap.
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Ray
Oh my God. So I was at the library and I used up all of my meeting room time, so I apologize.
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Brandy
Oh, it's okay. Wait, where are you now?
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Ray
I'm outside the library.
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Brandy
Oh, I love this.
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Ray
There's. It's a children's library and so like all the other tables are around children. So I apologize.
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Brandy
We have another very amusing audio update here. Ray had change locations. So now Ray is actually just broadcasting here from. From a bench outside on the streets of New York City, right?
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Ray
Yes, I am. I'm homeless.
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Brandy
So if you hear birds tweeting or passing traffic, just consider it an immersive experience. Just like the. Just like the valley itself. Okay, so where we left off, we were talking. Well, I don't remember what we were even. We're probably ranting about someone or something. Tom Schwartz, whatever. But we're just gonna move on, which is that now everyone has climbed onto this party bus to get to the gay club for Zach, and there's People are dancing up on the top. But down in the bottom of the bus, Britney is talking to Jesse and she's like, you, you know, you owe me apology. And he's like, for what? Well, for what happened last night where I was, like, confused. I was like, oh, my God. And you said that Jack said that, like, you said to say that I. That I want to, like, set up Danny and all these.
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Ray
This.
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Brandy
Like that, whatever. And Jesse's like, oh, my God, I'm just like, so sick of all this Danny. And Nia, she goes, well, it's not even about that. It's about the way you treated Lacy's like, yeah, yeah, J. Lacy, of course, jumps in. She's like, yeah, you lumped her in with Jax. I mean, he's obviously an abomination. You made her feel just so bad. So just apologize because Britney's whole thing is like, how could you say that? I had it out for Danny last season just because Jax. Jack's announced it on our podcast. So she basically wants an apology from Jesse about this. And she's saying how Jesse just loves to stir the pot. And you know, he always believed whatever Jax was telling him. Whatever, whatever, whatever. So Jesse announces, he says that he's had a resentment for Britney for over a year because at Yamashiro, when Lacey showed up at the end of filming, Britney mouthed off to her and was said something about, like, oh, Jesse should never have introduced Lacey to Isabella in the first place.
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Ray
See, this is like, I. I found this, like, so interesting because I expected this season, you know, because Jax is such a. Like, like, attention sucking. Like he's a black hole. Right? Like, so I thought that, like, the ghost of Jax would, like, loom over this season and it like, shows up, but it's like, it's not as present as I anticipated it being. And like, Jesse's trying to make it, like, matter, but. But like. But like Jesse, Jesse, like, Danny's ghost is like the bigger ghost, you know, Like Danny's ghost is the slimer eating Jackson's. But like, I, like, Jesse just needs something to do. I don't think he cares this much about that. Like, Britney, we all know what Britney was going through. He's just picking a Fight. He just doesn't want the attention to be on Danny. He needs something to. He needs something to do. I think he just needs something to do, you know?
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Brandy
Yeah.
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Ray
Lacy's here. Like, okay. They were. If Lacey is not holding the resentment when she's the one who got yelled at, what are you mad at Brittany for?
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Brandy
Exactly. And then Britney clarifies like, no, I just meant, like, it wasn't fair. Like, you weren't supposed to introduce the. The. The significant others to Isabella just yet. And you made that boundary, and then you introduced Lacy to Isabella and just felt like a violation of that. And even Lacey's like, yeah, I get it. Like, shut up. Apologize to Britney. You know? So he does. He's like, I'm sorry. You didn't deserve it. I shouldn't have jumped in the middle of the conversation. So thank you. Thank you. So back on the bus, on the top of the bus. I mean, it's great times. Dancing, frolicking. There's literally nothing that could ever go wrong. And then Zach is like, oh, my God, a bird on me. A bird on me. And this is one of the great, like, celestial Mr. X that we've seen. Because, like, a bird shits on Zach events. Yeah. And he's so focused on that that he doesn't realize there's a traffic light coming that just bonks him in the head. And honestly, it's like, very funny because he's like, oh, my God. Bleeding. But like, that. He could have literally been decapitated.
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Ray
It looked really bad. I was surprised that he was still, like, conscious and speaking. You know what I mean? And like, I don't. I was like, you know, production is. I mean, they seemed worried, but they. Everybody's a little lax, you know what I'm saying? Like, this boy's gushing from the head. He's just like, go party, whatever. How tall is Zach? Did you. How stall is it?
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Brandy
He's taller than you would think, actually. He's, I think at least like six, three. He's really tall.
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Ray
Yeah. Because I was like, this is. I was. I was astonished. And like, Jasmine looks so small comparatively. And I'm like, it's a double decker bus. They have to factor in, like, buses will factor in the street lights and the bridges and like that. So how much higher than the actual double second deck does he actually stand? That was crazy.
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Brandy
That's crazy. And I mean, if his head had been facing a different direction, it could have gotten like, like, eyeball. And I don't know, like, if they're Going faster. Like, that is death. That's not just like a thwonk. That's not just stitches. That is like, dead. Like, someone lost their. In the most embarrassing way on, like, on like, ho era night for the Valley, you know, and you got decapitated in Mexico. Like, that's just a bet. So now. So now he's bleeding, and now the producer's like, oh, my God. Oh, my God. They're like, oh, my God, we're gonna get sued.
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Ray
I don't. Oh, my God. If I were on a production and you die in Mexico, what are we supposed to do?
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Brandy
Because that's. That would take down the show. They would cancel the show, and then they would cancel a whole bunch of other things.
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Ray
Spin offs. It would. It would take down. What. What is it? Is it pop? Which. Which production?
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Brandy
This one, I think is. It may be truly original. I don't know. But, like, we saw what happened with. You saw what happened with, like, what? Megan Wants a millionaire or whatever. Like, the whole.
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Ray
The whole. The whole VH1 reality.
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Brandy
That, like. Yeah, that whole. What's his face? Why am I blanking on his name? You know, the clock.
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Ray
Yeah.
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Brandy
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Ray
Nielsen, like 10 different shows. And they all had to stop.
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Brandy
They all died. They all died. They had to rebrand the production company. So, like, that would have. That traffic light could have, like, severely impacted everything on Broad. Alex Baskin's entire life would have been over.
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Ray
Out of Beverly Hills fans who would not have minded that?
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Brandy
Yeah, people like, should we have made the bus go faster? So now Zach is like. He's bleeding out of his head, and he's like, you guys, my request is that you still go to the bar. Like, you have to go to the gay bar. So he gets carted off to the hospital. It's funny because they, like, arrive and he. I guess he thinks he's at the hospital, but it's at the gay bar, but it's not. So they all go into the G Bar.
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Ray
Or was the gay bar next door to the hospital? Like, what was happening?
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Brandy
I think he thought that's what it was, but it looked like they just dropped everyone off there. And then he got into a production vehicle and drove off to the hospital. So they all go in, which is, by the way, this is like a nightmare. It's like you're in a gay bar and a whole bunch of, like, basic straight people walk in and then take over. And then like, suddenly the straight guys are, like, dancing shittily on, like, the rafters. It's when you're a gay person, you're like, oh, my God, it's the basic straights, you know?
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Ray
Do you know that surprised me because, like, Mia is like, you know, I just think of them as, like, the church la. I'm sure you've talked about this on the show, but, like, LA has a weirdly, like, super churchy, like, subsect.
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Brandy
Yes.
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Ray
And so, like, I think Nia is so exemplary of that. So I found it very weird that she was like, like, her. At one point, Jasmine is, like, filming selfie videos next to the Go Go dancer. But then Nia was too, and I was very surprised by that. Yeah.
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Brandy
I actually thought, like, as annoying as it is to be someone in a gay bar when he's like, oh, God, here come the basic straights. There was actually, I thought, something kind of nice about the fact that all these straight people came in and there are people who are on the more conservative side of the spectrum. They came in and they were like, it's not. It wasn't like, oh, wow, we're in a gay bar. They're just like, oh, we're here. We're here in a gay bar. Like, let's keep on going. Like, the normalcy of it all was actually kind of nice to me, even though I would not want those people in my bar.
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Ray
I thought the story about. I was like, is this homophobic or not? But the story where Zach talks about how Schwartz put someone put an Applebee's card in someone in someone's hammock, I'm like, that's cheap.
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Brandy
That's also, like, uncomfortable for the dancer. If you have, like, a hard piece of plastic, like, like, up against your dick.
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Ray
It's like.
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Brandy
Also, what's really insulting about that is that there's no Applebee's anywhere close to the Abbey. So if you're a Go Go dancer in West Hollywood, you have to, like, travel at least 35 minutes out to, like, Burbank to find the closest Applebee's. And I'm not even sure there's an Applebee's in Burbank. Like, you have to go far to get to an Applebee's. So here is, like, a gift card that you're gonna probably spend all the value in gas just getting to be able to use.
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Ray
Right. And. And if you have the body of somebody who's fit to work as a Go Go dancer at the Abbey, you're not eating no damn applebee's you're not,
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Brandy
you're not eating anything. You're getting colonics. So this is where the famous moment happens where Nia pulls Danny aside and it's like, maybe no hip movement. He's like, why can't I? She's like, people are uncomfortable. You need to control yourself. So this is like, this is really annoying to me because now Nia can claim that she tried to be proactive and address the group's complaints, but this is actually not addressing it at all. This is actually completely not understanding what the issue is. And especially to think that, like, the hit movement is the thing that's gonna bother people. It's like, don't do the hit movement. Maybe don't grind on anyone. That could be something you don't do.
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Ray
But, like, say that you groped her fiance with your hips. Is that what she said you did? It's, it's, it's still, it's still like an image obsessed attempt at, like, controlling a narrative. She didn't say drink more moderately. She didn't say, don't lose control. Don't, don't. Don't act out of temper. She said, don't move your hips. That's you hyper focusing on the sexual part of it and not, like the actual alcohol part of it.
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Brandy
It's also, there's something so funny to think, like, okay, we've got to curb his. His being like, skeeviness, so don't move those hips. I was like, it just felt like that's, that's, that's the body part. We're going to focus on your. The hips too.
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Ray
You know what I mean? Like, my whole body can pervert, not just the hips. What are you doing? It's just such a. I keep going back to the church thing, but it's such a churchy misunderstanding of, like, the issue. You know what I mean? It's the same as, like, telling girls not to wear short skirts because that's how you get how you temper lust, as opposed to just telling people not to, like, act inappropriately with people's boundaries. It's like, it's like just putting the emphasis on the wrong thing. Like, and you're deliberately doing so. Liked.
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Brandy
Yeah, I, I also feel like there's an element about it that's. It's almost like such a. It's such a strange response in my mind. It. That it, like, it's sort of. It almost has like that passive aggressive quality which Danny leaned into earlier this season. Like, look at me. I'm not dancing. I'm not drinking. It's fine. I'm not drinking. It makes people uncomfortable where you're like, okay, you're, you're highlighting this great sacrifice that you made, but the sacrifice, not what we're looking for.
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Ray
And also, it's very passive aggressive. You don't, it's not an intentional thoughtful thing because you got pissed at Nia for suggesting it, first of all. And second, you're, you're like, you're, you're, you're trying to blame everybody else's discomfort for why you can't be yourself. And it's like, no one's asking you not to not be yourself. Everyone's asking yourself to not infringe upon the comfort of other people. You know what I mean? It's like he, they, they, I think they know exactly what the issue is. They're just purposely choosing the parts of the arguments that can work for them. That's all. Because now, like you said, Nia gets to be like, I told Danny to calm it down. But like, Danny not moving his hips isn't what groped Jasmine. It isn't what cussed you and Lala out at whatever San Diego trip that was. That wasn't his hips. His hips had nothing to do with all of that. You know what I mean? His hips aren't drinking in the pantry. Like, like, this is so, it's so obnoxious.
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Brandy
So then of course he goes up to every single person, be like, well, apparently I can't swing my hips. Apparently I can't move. Apparently I can't do this. So it's going around to everyone, it's like, okay, if you want people to not think that you are, are, are annoying or weird or make people uncomfortable. If you're like, okay, I will moderate my behavior because I've heard that my friends are uncomfortable by my behavior, by what I do, I will moderate it. Then you just do. You moderate it. You don't, don't go over to everyone and complain about how you're not doing the thing that, that you want to do because the action by you complained everyone. You're, you're saying you've actually not changed. You're actually upset that you can't do the thing that you truly want to do, which is to make people uncomfortable. Like, he's not saying, oh, I want to make people uncomfortable. But you want, but you do want to the thing that's upsetting everyone. And now you're going to go and be a martyr to everyone. You're going to go around being like, oh, look at me, look at the grand sacrifice I made at the gay club.
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Ray
And, and also it's like if you, what I noticed is, and I guess it's because he doesn't want to concede anything and admit that he does have a problem. So he, he, you know, it's like, it's like when a lawyer tells you not to say anything in court that can up your appeal. So even if you are remorse, you can't. Remorseful, you can't really show it. He never once has he gone to anyone and been like, hey, what is the thing that makes you uncomfortable? He never says, hey, when, when when it's brought back to him that other people are sick, that Michelle says that he makes people uncomfortable, he never says, what did Michelle tell you was uncomfortable? He never asked the next question because he doesn't want to confront the answer to that question. So now he, he and Mia are deciding for other people what would be appropriate change that they want to see rather, and then get to finesse it so that it suits them in a way that doesn't make them the bad guys, as opposed to genuinely approaching their friend group and wondering what they can do to, like, accommodate one another.
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Brandy
Because they also, let's not forget, they. They also have, I think, a bit of a conspiratorial view over everything, which is that I know I'm not making people uncomfortable. I know people, now that Jax is gone, they need to have a villain. So they're gonna throw me under the bus, as Jax had already declared that he was going to, because Jax did say that. I mean, Jax did bring that out. And so he's like, I see. I'm not even going to give this life because it's so preposterous. I'm not making people feel uncomfortable. They just need to say this because they need to have a storyline. And so that's a way to kind of like. For them to like to reconcile what's happening here. And so as a result, that's why they're not. That's why he's not curious to find out, because he's actually doesn't. He doesn't believe it's Even has a grain of truth to it in the first place. So why would you try to find out what makes people uncomfortable if you don't believe it's happening, if you think it's actually just a tool to make tv? So there. That's what his mindset is right now. And I think that's why he's getting all in a tizzy, because he really feels like everyone is working together to make a storyline. So that way he's the bad guy. But what he doesn't realize is that we're watching and, like, you're doing it. You are doing all the heavy lifting to make you seem like the bad guy on this season.
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Ray
Which also kind of goes back to what I was saying before, which is that I don't understand the motivation for him still remaining on this show. Because even if the drinking is not an issue, the misogyny and the way he talks to his wife is an issue. So, like, even if, even if, like, I. I genuinely don't understand. Maybe he just doesn't see how he talks to Nia as a bad thing. He just inherently doesn't because I'm just like, there. He has not positioned himself well to have any sort of thing to offset the complaints other people have. It would be one thing if he were, like, not just fighting them on the alcohol issue, but he was bringing something different to the table. He's not even doing that. He's not even trying to be likable. He's just being, like, stubborn about this one thing. And it's like, okay, I can understand if you say, I don't want to let Lala have this one thing, but he's not bringing anything else to. You know what I mean? We're not seeing him be likable in scenes with Jesse. We not seeing him be likable and seeing. I haven't seen a single thing about him that would make me want to root for him, even if I thought that everybody else was full of shit and that Jax did and conspired to take him down, you know, I mean, he's not.
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Brandy
Yeah. And one thing. And one thing that definitely makes me not want to root for him. I can't stand when he does this or really anyone does this. So now he's sitting around. Now he's moping because he. He can't. He can't move his hips. So now he's moping and he's like, oh, sure, I hope I didn't move my hip too much right then. Hope I didn't make you feel uncomfortable. Oh, I guess everyone's triggered. I don't want everyone to be trigger around me. He's doing this thing, like, making. Same thing he did to Lala where he's like. He's like, making fun of basically therapy.
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Ray
He's mocking you for having boundaries. He's.
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Brandy
The funny thing is that he's the one. He and Nia are frequently having these, like, you know, these alone scenes where they're talking in therapy talk, you know, they're not talking.
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Ray
They're talking in marriage counseling at the church. When he said that, he said he goes to weekly therapy about his drinking. I was like, brother, that's not therapy. Pastor says nice things to you because he knows that if you mention his church on the show, he might get a bigger following. Like, please, you guys are not getting any. There's nobody licensed medical, licensed social worker degree over here, you know?
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Brandy
Exactly. And so at one point, Michelle Lolly is, like, dancing on the bar. And of course, this is Danny's takeaway. Michelle gets on top of the bar and she takes her. She shakes her tail feather, dropping it like it's hot, like, that's fine. But me shaking my hips, maybe doing a body roll to my wife, that's what makes everyone uncomfortable. It's like the fact, like, he's such a literalist about this. The fact that he cannot connect these.
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Ray
He literally. No, he knows exactly what's going on. How is a hot girl standing on a bar at a. In a venue where this is the sort of thing that happens have anything to do with you having in the past groped somebody when you were drunk? You know, those aren't the same things. You know those aren't the same things. And it's hilarious because if we're talking about problematic drinking, Michelle L, of all people, isn't the problematic drinker. Not in that group. This is the one time she's letting loose. And now you're using her to contrast with yourself as the. Like you. You are Mr. Can't Do One Event without Sneaking off into a bathroom or some to suck down a white claw. And you and you talking about Michelle. Michelle has never even smiled on this damn show.
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Brandy
You've never seen someone so sad up there doing the coyote ugly thing. So, so the other, the other way that Danny makes people uncomfortable on the show because he. Again, like we've mentioned before, he thinks it's purely a sexual thing. That's like, no, it's your. It's just the things that come out of your mouth because now he' moping around and he's talking to Jesse and Nia or, or not Nia to Lacey, maybe I forget who. But he's like, well, I'm just gonna get. I'm.
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Brandy
I'm gonna get uncomfortable. Everyone's gonna get uncomfortable. Watch out. I'm gonna make people uncomfortable. So now it's like, oh, when I talk to you, I. I can't even have fun with you because you're actually just gonna gripe to me about how you're put upon by people's boundaries, right? And so, like, that's. He doesn't realize that. It's like, that is the thing that makes people not want to be around you when you're drunk because you're either gonna be, like, obnoxious and to your wife or to other people or when you're checked, you're then going to go around and complain about how you were checked. Everyone. And either way, no one wants to talk about any of. Any of the above.
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Ray
Any of those things.
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Brandy
None of the above. Right.
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Ray
So the thing that was like really annoying me in this, in this scene and maybe we just didn't see the other conversations. Neo was the one who told him to stop shaking his hips. Not a single fucking person.
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Brandy
Yes.
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Ray
Told him to stop shaking his hips. It was his wife who did. So now your wife misunderstands the assignment and she tells you what to do, misunderstanding the assignment and now you're blaming everybody else for you getting the homework wrong. Like, this is crazy. At what did, did anyone besides Mia tell him not to shake his hips? I didn't see it. All I thought was Tom Schwartz. I think he didn't have rhythm. You know what I mean?
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Brandy
Well, he's probably, you know, he is complaining about everyone, you know, in the cast, but he's also kind of complaining about Nia too. I think it's like a mix of everything. He's like upset at her for doing this and he's upset at the cast and he's just being a baby. I mean, at the end of the day, he's just being a giant baby and no one wants to party with a baby. So. Speaking of which, Zach has returned and now he has a bandage over his head. He has a full on head wound.
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Ray
I was so shocked. Production let him come back to the party. Genuinely. I don't care what a doctor says. I'm not risking it.
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Brandy
Yeah, like if you've got stitches,
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Ray
this is how I know I'm pushing, watching a show, thinking about liabilities. Come on now.
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Brandy
But like, yeah, like, you're like, if you get drunk and you've got a head injury and you fall over, that's another thing alcohol was. I think alcohol thins your blood maybe. Like, it's just, it's not.
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Ray
Yeah. I'm surprised that he kept like, what are you doing, bro?
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Brandy
Yeah.
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Ray
Did they kind of form like, if you die at this party, we not. You're not gonna sue us. Your family can't sue us.
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Brandy
Had to have been. Had to have been. So Britney's sitting at. By the way, Brittany's sitting at the bar and she's showing the bartender. She's like, this is my son. He's five years old. And the bartender's like, huh? Like, yeah, I'm gonna say this right now, Brittany. I think generally speaking, bartenders don't care when people show them pictures of their family. But I think especially at a gay bar and you're just like, you're a straight woman at a gay bar being like this awesome like, literally no one. You're barking up the wrong tree.
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Ray
She's my boo. She's like, this is my big.
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Brandy
So she's sitting. She's sitting there, and she's sad, And Kristen comes over. She's like, you okay? You're feeling a lot of feelings. She's like, I'm good.
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Ray
I'm good.
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Brandy
And she says, it's been a whole weekend. Like, just everything's coming out right now. But she's smart enough to know she's not gonna have this conversation with Kristen while there's so much sound in the background. She's like, we'll have an isolated conversation on the next episode.
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Ray
So now right in the New York City streets. Sound in the background.
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Brandy
She's not like, watcher crap ins where we welcome all sorts of sound interference. So now they get all. They all go back onto the bus, and Danny lays down across all the back seats because he's. Guess what? Too drunk. And he's also. He gets carsick. But let's be honest. He's also too drunk, right? So he needs to lie down. And he's being, like, grouchy and loud about. He's like, I need to go in the back and lay down.
- [28:26]
Ray
I can't even look at them. Come back with me. Get back here. Get back here.
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Brandy
He's just being, like, very petulant. It's like he's not even. Yes, he's being belligerent, but it's like his tone is not even belligerence. His tone is just like, spoiled brat. He's just like a whiny child right now. And it's just. It's grating to listen to. So Danny's in the backseat, and so he's bitching. Ammonia is trying to get Nia to come back there to take care of him and everything. And he's like, why are we leaving? Who's in here?
- [28:57]
Ray
Nia.
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Brandy
Who's in here? She's like, it's Brittany and Kristen and Luke and Jesse and Lacey. Just people that we like. And he's like, can we get the air conditioning turned on here? He's making all these requests because he's gonna get car sick or clash. I don't know what it is. He's like, nia, ship back here.
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Ray
Ship back here.
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Brandy
And the thing is that, like, Nia thought there was gonna be two or three different vans, but there's only be one van, so there's not a seat for everyone. And so people. He's taking up too many seats by lying across them. And there's not room. And then Nia's trying to be like, Daniel, like, you have to sit up because there's not enough room. He's like, but why?
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Ray
Why can't I. Why can't I lie here? I want to be able to lie here.
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Brandy
What's wrong with you? Who's yelling at me? And like, no one's yelling at you. And he's having a hissy fit in the back of this van. And he's also taking up the seats. There's no room for everyone. And he will not shut up. And he's going on and on and on. And then Nia, he's like, yeah, over here, over here.
- [29:50]
Ray
Let me not put my feet on you, Nia, I'm under my feet.
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Brandy
She's like, daniel, I'm claustrophobic.
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Ray
I don't care.
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Brandy
So then she's explaining, oh, no, he's. He's gonna get nauseous. Here comes one right now.
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Brandy
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Ray
Okay, but. So like, my thing is, why does she indulge him? That was what I was saying earlier. It's one thing to not to be like, actively not trying to blame the woman for the obnoxious way that her husband behaves, but she indulges him at every turn. And then again, like we said before, when someone approaches him or confronts him, she protects him. And then even when they're defending her, she protects him. And so here, when she's like, when he's acting like a child, she like, babies him. It's infuriating. He's. He's, he's older than her, I'm pretty sure, right? Like, this is, this is, this is crazy. And, and also, like, you for, for acting like a child here because I was so turned off by the fact that he was like, I don't want. Who's on this bus. Are you to decide who sits on what bus? Even if there were three vans, why do you get to decide who sits on what?
- [32:19]
Brandy
Yeah, exactly. And so then at one point, she's, he's like, ow. Don't dig your snails into my freaking stomach. It's like, it was an accident movie. If I were her, I'd be like, who the do you think you're talking to? I am your wife. And you sit there and you, if you barf, you barf, but you be quiet right now. I've had enough out of you. But she's like, it was an accident. Please move your feet. I'm getting claustrophobic. So it is. He is being insufferable. And basically the way the episode ends is that Janet has to pee into a cup because she. And we see Janet pee into a cup and then she holds it up. She holds it up like she's giving a toast on Game of Thrones or something like, like to Westeros. And I'm like, put that cup down. Do not raise a cup of pee above anyone's head. It stays low, so that way if it sloshes, it's on your hand and no one else. And drink. They hit a bump.
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Ray
That was pretty dark colored, you know what I mean? It was like the color of red. Was like, girl, drink some water. I know you've been on vacation, but my goodness, hydrate.
- [33:20]
Brandy
Well, the good news is, as we end the episode, it's Danny's birthday now. So next week we get to see more of a shit show and we get to see Lala go off on Danny yet again. And I will say, like, I was not excited about Lala coming onto this show, but I think she's been actually really good. And she is the only one who's been truly telling off Danny. And I think it's every time she does it, I love it, so.
- [33:42]
Ray
I love it. I love it too. So first of all, like, I don't understand why Lala doesn't lean into this. But I think she, you know, is probably still. I. I do think somebody talked his production and was like, don't call us alcoholics on camera. I do think something like that happened. Some kind of conversation happened, But I don't understand why she doesn't lean into the fact that because she's sober, she can identify problem drinking. Like, I feel like that's her trump card here. And even I remember at one point in this episode when they're at the poolside, like, cabanas or whatever, and Danny had already used the PTSD line at the beach. And then he uses the PTSD line to the rest of the group after he uses it with her and just Luke. And then when they get to the rest of the group with Brittany and them and Jasmine and them, he brings up the PTSD from last season line again. She goes, I'm going to the water. She literally just gets up and walks away because she knows he's full of shit. So I'm just like, why doesn't she leverage the pat. The fact that she's a problem drinker and that she can identify in him, and maybe he's not ready to have that conversation, but I know what I see. And I mean, he doesn't respect her. She's a woman. She's unmarried. He's. He. He's. I think in the preview, he's like, where's your husband? Like, that's supposed to mean something. You know what I mean?
- [34:57]
Brandy
Like, it's rich that Danny likes to lean on ptsd when it works for him, he's allowed to be triggered. But, like, when other people. Triggered, not, like, no way.
- [35:08]
Ray
It's so Republican of him to, like, mock you for being easily triggered and then go on a freak out when you say even the slightest thing. It's so. It's so classic. It's so trumpy. But, like, But. But also just kind of like, I. I'm. I genuinely, like, I'm not gonna, like, blame a woman for being in an abusive dynamic, but it is crazy to me that they have four kids under four. I'm so curious as to how they have four children under four, because they're. That means they're having sex. And I'm just so curious as to, like, what. And what Danny can do at all to get Mia in the mood. Is he just, like, mounting her at night? Like, this is Game of Thrones or some, like, what the. Like, what about, like, I see her performing her wifely duties, but. And I don't know if it's just because of her personality and, like. Like, maybe how she's been sort of, like, sort of shaped into the mold of a wife by their beliefs or whatever, but there's nothing about their dynamic that represents desire or affection or, like, oh, I want to get it in. And I remember he said at one point he was like, that he, like, went to church and asked for, like, he went to church specifically to find, like, a godly woman, but who's also a freak in the sheets. And I'm like, okay, I guess, maybe. But he thinks his hips are magical, Mike. So maybe freak me something different to him than it means to me. But, like, there is nothing like, okay. When Kristen and Luke argue, I still feel desire from Luke. I still feel like he looks like she's been berating him, but he still feels connection, attachment, desire. For Kristen, I. There's everything about Dani and Mia's dynamic is sterile. So I'm wondering, like. Like, when are you to have these kids? Because there's nothing that gives off sex about y'. All. You know what I mean?
- [37:07]
Brandy
Yeah, I. I don't know. I. I just. I just don't even even like to think about, like.
- [37:14]
Ray
You don't want to say Pocket?
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Brandy
You know what? My brain doesn't want to go up to Santa Clarita. Okay. But I. Yeah, they are. They are definitely, like, an endless font of fascination this season. Ray, thank you so much for joining me and filling in Ronnie's shoes for this episode of the Valley. The Valley.
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Ray
My best.
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Brandy
You did a great job. I love your unfiltered and, like, pure, wonderful thoughts and opinions on all this stuff. And if everyone. Everyone wants to hear more of Rey's thoughts on this or Love island or really many other TV shows, you're at. What was it again, Raf? Is it Rafa? Okay,
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Ray
you guys, I'm so sorry for the noises around me. I apologize. I'm. Ben is not unprofessional. It's me. That's why I don't have my own. That's why I don't have.
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Brandy
You should have your own show because you just. I know. I love. I've always loved your opinions, too.
- [38:14]
Ray
You're very empathetic. You're. You're a very empathetic person when you watch these shows, I think. I think that's, like a really. I try to be, but sometimes when I don't like somebody, I don't give them grace race.
- [38:26]
Brandy
Yeah, but you're.
- [38:27]
Ray
You're very careful to, like, try and see, like, the other Side, like. And I, you know, Janet, is like,
- [38:34]
Brandy
it's my damage as an adult. It's my damage as an adult because I never. I. I never want to speak about something authoritatively if I don't have authority. And I feel like I don't have authority until I consider all sides of a situation. And then I'm like, okay, I've examined all the sides and I've used all the evidence, and this is where I stand. And some people just are like, no, I'm just gonna, like, shoot from the hip. And like, I. I've just never been that person. But there's some times where I'm just like, I can't stand this person.
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Ray
Oh, yeah.
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Brandy
I mean, the other side.
- [39:02]
Ray
Sometimes. Sometimes you don't even have to see the evidence to arrive at you. But, like, it's nice that you try. But also, it's just. I think you know too, and it's, like, important to me. And I don't know why I even take it this seriously, but lately I feel like there has been. Not lately, just over time, there has been an erosion in, like, obviously in media literacy writ large, but just even the reality TV consumption. I don't want to say that, like, when we were watching Jersey Shore, we were smarter, but it does feel like the audiences watching Jersey Shore were smarter because we were able to give a shit about a villain, to, like, think about villainesses in particular, like, with more grace, you know what I mean? And. And it's so strange to watch. I think I'm being judgmental, and I'll let you go, I promise. But I think that Gen Z is so. They're so traumatized by a Trump presidency that they're very like, there's no gray. It's black and white. We're fascist or not. And I think they're ascribing this to the people that consume on TV and think that it reflects on them as individuals and their morals for who they enjoy watching on tv. And I just. It is important to me, for some strange reason that we don't in the audience on social media more moralize good entertainment off of tv, because if people got the show that they claim they want, we would never have anything.
- [40:36]
Brandy
I 100 agree. I. I love my villains. I often don't agree with them. I am often politically not aligned with them. I love my villains because I love good storytelling.
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Ray
Yeah.
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Brandy
And I think that. I think that in the wake of. Of Trump, it. That people are just very cognizant of that. It can be dangerous to put People that you are not aligned with on a platform. And so I think we are constantly straddling this idea of like, God, I hate Ramona Singer. So she shouldn't be, she should be eradicated. And then we're like. But then we also hate new Roni, you know, and like, like, we, like, there are times, there are times when like, yes, you actually should, like, you've lost your privileges to be on a platform form. But like, we cannot moralize our villains off of every show. So like, it's good to have our villains. Storytelling requires protagonists and villains. And without a villain, things get boring.
- [41:31]
Ray
And you also, and you also don't. You aren't who you're watching on tv. And I think that's like the biggest, most important, like, part of this too. Like, like, I'll go theorize somewhere else. But it's just like, like I noticed this most with like Love island or even Summer House. And it's more of a racial thing. I think that I'll talk somewhere else. But it's just like you are not. Your damage is not the damage of the person on the show. And so it's important to not think of reality TV as a mirror. It can be a contemplation of society writ large, but it's not a exact mirror of your direct experience. And so when I say that Ebony K. Williams ruined Roni, I'm not a self hating black person. She did ruin the show because there was a thing we were watching. And also Ramona Singer is a racist, terrible person. These are all true. Like the world, the world isn't what you think it is. And like the world, TV doesn't have to reflect the world as you wish it would be. You can imagine, but also in your imagination, bad things can exist as well. And I think, you know, we love this medium. And so, yeah, yeah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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Brandy
For more thoughts. For more thoughts, check out Ray online. And also check out Ray on the ANTM documentary where you were amazing. I forgot to mention the top of the show. You were so. Everything you were saying, I was like, oh, God, Ray is so good. Thank you so much for being here. It's time for me to hop on to my Next recap for NextGen New York City. Love you, Ray. And I will hopefully talk to you very, very soon.
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Ray
Bye, love. Thanks for patience. Bye.
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