#3459 RHOC S20E02 Part One: Thank You For Being a Fiend

Summary

Watch What Crappens – Episode #3459

RHOC S20E02 Part One: Thank You For Being a Fiend
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Date: July 17, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Ben and Ronnie recap and gleefully dissect Season 20, Episode 2 ("Thank You For Being a Fiend") of The Real Housewives of Orange County. The duo delivers their trademark blend of Bravo insider commentary, snark, and rapid-fire quips, focusing on the Housewives’ themed birthday party, the introduction of new cast member Carmela, taglines, generational rivalry, and the franchise’s eternal cycle of manipulation and grudges. As always, the recap is loaded with hilarious asides, reality TV references, and deep dives into Housewives psychology.

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1. Taglines & First Impressions (06:12-17:21)

The Joy of Tagline Season

• The episode kicks off with the hosts reveling in the new season’s taglines, offering critiques and impressions.
  • Ronnie: "Love a new tagline sesh. They have a lot of people too, this season." (06:12)
• The hosts poke fun at the construction and delivery of the taglines, especially Carmela’s outdated "centerfold" reference:
  • Ben: "Don’t say centerfold. Say a center fold. Because it’s center of attention and a center fold, not scent." (09:20)
  • Ronnie: "I don’t think there is such a thing as centerfold anymore. It ages yourself…what’s a magazine? Okay. They were paper versions of websites." (09:34)

Tagline Highlights & Critiques

• They riff on each OC housewife’s tagline, satirizing the clichés and delivery.
  • Ben (on Tamra): "She’s like, I’m still the hottest, and that’s my opinion. No, it’s not how you say 'that’s my opinion!' If you’re not going to do it, then don’t use that as your line." (16:13)
  • Ronnie (on Heather): "Probably Heather’s [is my favorite], probably still funny." (17:00)
  • The hosts agree Shannon’s "Resilience and shapewear" tagline actually works.

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2. Themed Birthday Parties & Age Jokes (03:47, 22:23-24:47)

The Old Lady Birthday Party

• A big plot point is Gina organizing an "old lady" drag bingo brunch for Emily's 50th birthday.
  • Ronnie: "We got to see an old dress like old people plot. They really don’t do it enough on Bravo." (03:51)
  • Ben: "I really enjoyed the different looks of senior citizenship that they went for…They showed a nice spectrum." (04:01)
• The hosts joke about the cast's panic/flexing over being seen as "old."
  • Ronnie: "I feel like this is Gina’s passive aggressive attack on the rest of the cast…be careful; you’ll be 50 soon!" (23:43)
• They spiral into dark humor about plastic surgery and skin removal.
  • Ronnie: "When I came out of it from my neck lift…I should have asked him to save it. I could have made…a coin purse or something out of it…by the time I’m 80, I could have, like, a whole closet full of accessories." (25:42)

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3. Fitness & "America's Funniest Home Videos" (18:02-21:29)

The Bunge Gym Scene

• The Housewives try a "Bunge" workout, with comical results.
  • Ronnie: "It’s a gym where people strap onto bungee cords and then do, like, aerobics or something…Shannon purposely falling 9 million times." (17:50–19:41)
  • Ben: "Ring cams are the new America’s Funniest Home Videos…It’s just all of us, like, picking our nose or just falling down when your phone rings." (20:14)
• The hosts lampoon the Housewives attempting rhythm and exercise.
  • Ronnie: "You’re talking to Shannon and Gina and Jen. There will be no rhythm here getting into any bodies." (18:54)

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4. Manipulation, Grudges, & Housewives Dynamics (27:28–35:02)

The Classic Housewives Manipulation Cycle

• The podcast deftly unpacks a recurring RHOC motif: accusations of manipulation and passing the buck.
  • Ronnie: "It's a long, hallowed tradition of Real Housewives that people talk, then someone takes that talk and tells everybody else and goes, 'you were manipulating me.'" (29:04)
  • Ben: "The patsies know that they're patsies, and they still keep doing it." (29:24)
• The hosts tie Gina’s and Emily’s behavior to classic Lisa Rinna and Lisa Vanderpump moves from Beverly Hills ("Puppy Gate", "Munchausen").
  • Ronnie: "Famously, Rinna’s were the biggest on Housewives history…Vanderpump manipulated this whole thing! You’re all suckers." (30:33–31:02)

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5. Heather's Failed Quest for a 'Buddy' (33:34–36:51)

Heather’s Buddy Problem

• The hosts analyze Heather's perennial inability to forge a true alliance.
  • Ben: "She just wants a bestie on this show and she cannot get it. Now she's at the point where she is actively recruiting." (34:04)
  • They run through past failed attempts and joke about Heather’s affinity for "shelter pets" (less-er Housewives).
  • Ronnie: "Heather has paid her dues. Give her an awful person to hang out with, like another awful, equally rich person." (36:24)
• Discussion on the show’s missed opportunities (e.g., having another "awful, rich" woman for Heather to connect with).

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6. The Podcast-within-a-Podcast & Emily’s Spin-off (41:17–44:39)

Emily & Shane’s True Crime Podcast

• Emily and Shane conduct a bride-groom photo shoot to promote their "Till Death Do Us Part" podcast.
  • Emily: "A lot of these cases that we talked about have to do with husbands, you know, unaliving wives and wives, unaliving husbands. So why not separate that out…?" (41:35)
• The hosts skewer the oversaturation of true crime podcasts and the title’s lack of originality.
  • Ronnie: "A spin-off of something not that many people are already into. That’s crazy." (42:07)
  • Ben: "If you Google [the title], make sure people don’t search and the first thing that comes up is two stars." (44:30)

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7. Housewives Alliances & New Arrivals (59:04–66:08)

Shannon & Carmela Bonding

• Shannon seeks an alliance with new girl Carmela, revealing a potential power move in anticipation of Vicki and Tamra’s renewed closeness.
  • Shannon: "I'd love for you to come because I can already tell that we're gonna become great friends, because I need allies now that Vicki's back and Tamra may steal her." (61:13)
• Carmela discusses her past with NFL quarterback Jeff Garcia and her stint as a Playboy Playmate; the hosts riff on "slut shaming" but in their signature mocking tone.
  • Ronnie: "So she was married to an NFL quarterback, right? Jeff Garcia." (63:58)

Old-Guard Returns: Vicki’s Lack of Enthusiasm

• Vicki is back but seems unexcited:
  • Ronnie: "You would think that she would be…excited to be back…doesn’t look like she is. Every time they show her…'God, I hate this.'" (67:58)
  • Teaser: "There is going to be some classic Vicki sex shaming coming up…" (68:20)

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8. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Ronnie (on Housewives aging): "Even when you’re 50…you look at someone, you know, maybe 15, 20 years older, it’s like, oh my God…babe, you’re right there. You’re five minutes away." (24:10)
• Ben (on plastic surgery): "Was it like when you get a chicken thigh with bone in, skin on, and there’s that extra flap…?" (25:42)
• Ronnie (on Heather’s attempts at friendship): "Heather keeps going to the shelter and…keeps getting these rescues…she just wants a purebred." (35:25)
• Ronnie (on Vicki): "She doesn’t seem to actually be enjoying this process anymore. She’s finally back and…she’s like snoring through." (68:01)

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9. Funniest Side-Tangents & Comedy Bits

• Deep-dive into the meaning of "centerfold" and generational divides (09:34)
• Jabs at Bravo’s overuse of themed parties and Housewives lack of rhythm
• Riffing on true crime podcast trends, searching for a new angle
• Side conversation about washed-up '80s TV stars and forgotten spin-offs (11:29–13:34)

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10. Key Timestamps

• Taglines & first impressions: 06:12–17:21
• Birthday party & aging theme: 03:47, 22:23–24:47
• Fitness class hijinks: 18:02–21:29
• Gossip & manipulation: 27:28–35:02
• Heather’s search for a buddy: 33:34–36:51
• Emily’s true crime podcast: 41:17–44:39
• Shannon & Carmela’s alliance: 59:04–66:08
• Vicki’s meh comeback: 67:58–68:32

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Summary Tone & Takeaway

Casual, slightly chaotic, and deliciously catty—Ben and Ronnie’s take on RHOC S20E02 is a loving but merciless roast. Whether parsing Housewife social tactics ("You are no patsy, ma’am"), mocking their malapropisms, or spiraling into absurd hypothetical product lines (skin coin purses, anyone?), they make even minor Bravo drama into appointment listening.

For fans:

• Expect new alliances, passive-aggressive parties, and the return of old feuds.
• Carmela may be new, but the classic RHOC cycle of manipulation, grudge-nurturing, and giggly shade is alive and well.

For the continuation, look for Episode #3459, Part Two’s recap—“See you over there, suckers!” (68:41)

Transcript

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[Podcast Host 1 (Possibly Ben Mandelker)]

Who cares what happens when there's so much what happens? Who cares what happens when there's so much that happens? Hello and welcome to Watch what Crap Ins a podcast about all that crap

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

on Bravo that we just love to talk about. I am Ben Mandelker and joining me today is the one, the only irrepressible, Ronnie Caram. Hi Ronnie, how's it going?

[Podcast Contributor]

Good.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

How you doing?

[Podcast Contributor]

Fabulous.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

We made it to the end of our work week here and we're here

[Podcast Host 1 (Possibly Ben Mandelker)]

to talk about Real Housewives of Orange county.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

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[Podcast Host 1 (Possibly Ben Mandelker)]

So come join us because we actually

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

have a huge amount of fun doing that. Yeah, we talk, we just sort of banter and show off products that we like. So come join us for that. Ronnie, how's it going? What's new, what's happening? How you feeling?

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

Heading back to LA today. So I'm tracking Bueller on his little trip. He's, he's making it in a car before me. He's driving to la. Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Everyone get out of the way.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

And so I'm tracking my little doggy and watching when he goes poo poo. Watching when he eats his dinner. So that's pretty fun. It's my mom's 75th birthday. It was yesterday. So happy birthday to my mother. And so celebrated that, you know, did that stuff, fun birthday stuff. And that's, I mean, that's it. Really. What more could you ask for then to go to your mom's birthday and come back and the Orange county ladies

[Podcast Contributor]

are like, we're gonna dress like old people, celebrate Emily's birthday.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

That's what Bravo really needed and that's what I needed, was just to see an dress like old people plot. They really don't do it enough on Bravo.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Yeah, they, they don't. It's, it's really too bad. But we definitely got an. A good amount of it. I really enjoyed the different looks of, of senior citizenship that they went for. I thought that was a really. They showed a nice spectrum of, of geriatric looks and feelings.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

Yeah, I think Heather's was the most realistic.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Yeah, actually, I thought Gina's was very realistic. I was like, you know what? I can see Gina looking like this when she's like, honestly 63. She doesn't have to wait till she's 81.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

You know what's so weird is that I blocked out Gina. I think I just do that now. Like, I have a filter in my head that will just block things out. I don't even remember Gina. And I literally finished watching this episode 15 minutes ago.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

That's kind of her brand though, you know, it's like, oh, I don't even remember Gina. I mean, let's, I'm, I'm just going to say this. I, I didn't think that it was like an amazing episode, but I don't hold it against the show because I'm like, don't forget this was a party that Gina organized for Emily. So it was never going to be good television to begin with.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

Yeah. It was nice to see Vicki without an Instagram filter, though.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

It was nice. And. And also seeing, like, what Vicky might have actually wound up looking like had she never gone into reality television. Because I actually do firmly believe she would have become mama for Mama's family.

[Podcast Contributor]

Oh, Vicki Lawrence, stay with us forever.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

So we get taglines, one Vicky to another. Yeah, yeah. From one super problematic Vicky to a less problematic Vicky.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Lawrence have any problematic qualities?

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

I don't think so.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

I hope not.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

No, she did. She even did like a one man show last year called, like, Come See Mama.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

I was gonna say if Vicki Lawrence was pro is problematic, that would just. Would wipe out just so many warm memories of win, lose or draw. So, yeah, I'm just really hoping for the best. Yeah.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

All right, here we go. We get some taglines today, which is pretty exciting. Love a new tagline sesh. They have a lot of people too, this season. They have them all lined up. They have them all lined up at the beginning.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

It's like, damn, it was really going for a long time, but it was worth it because I absolutely love. I love the Orange county remix theme that they've been doing for the past four years or so. You know, especially when. At that drum, when the. The drum machine kicks in right at the beginning where it's like,

[Podcast Contributor]

I'm like,

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

oh, I love the beatboxing. So, yeah, we start off with Heather,

[Podcast Contributor]

who says my motives are like my taste best left unquestioned.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Don't question my tastes.

[Podcast Contributor]

Well, how do I hold it all together? Resilience and shapewear.

Wow.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

Falls down.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Then we have Jen.

[Podcast Contributor]

The truth speaks volumes. And I'm about to turn it up.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

I do need to say the phrase turn it up. Do we have to say that when your son has just been accused of, like, starting a fire? Like, I just feel like turn it up is just like a phrase I think of with my stovetop. Yeah.

[Podcast Contributor]

I'm about to set this world on fire. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you, everybody.

Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. I get so angry. I've got flames down the side of my face. Thank you.

Flames on the side of my face.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

Gina. Oh, no. It's your turn.

[Podcast Contributor]

Sorry.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

No, it's my turn.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

I know it's your turn.

[Podcast Contributor]

Just because I'm slogan for it doesn't mean I Won't speak up.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

Oh, God, of course. Like, we get it. You're getting. You know, you're get. You're engaged.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Yeah.

[Podcast Contributor]

Why do.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

Why do engaged people do this? It's not your whole personality at all times, you know?

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Yeah, exactly.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

What's your name?

[Podcast Contributor]

Future Mrs. Travis, ma'. Am.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

This is the DMV.

[Podcast Contributor]

Okay.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Yeah, but the thing is, when you don't have personality, any shred of personality becomes your whole personality. That's the thing.

[Podcast Host 1 (Possibly Ben Mandelker)]

So Emily is like my body maybe

[Podcast Contributor]

new, but my mouth is the same as always. I have. What I'm trying to say is I've got the body of a 30 year old and the mouth of a 50 year old. They messed up and they forgot to do my mouth. I'm furious.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

I was like, wow, that's a long tagline.

[Podcast Contributor]

I may look different, but I've still

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

got a sandwich in my purse.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Yeah. Then you have the new girl, Carmela.

[Podcast Contributor]

I'm the center of attention and a center fold.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Except she doesn't know how to say it right. She speaks quietly and she's like, I'm

[Podcast Host 1 (Possibly Ben Mandelker)]

the center of attention and a centerfold.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

I'm like, don't say centerfold.

[Podcast Host 1 (Possibly Ben Mandelker)]

Say a center fold.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Because it's center of attention and a center fold, not scent.

[Podcast Host 1 (Possibly Ben Mandelker)]

I'm the center of attention and a centerfold.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

It's like there's. You lose your. Whatever magic was surrounding Carmela.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

Yeah. Anyway, also, I don't think there is such a thing as centerfold anymore. And it's. It's. It ages yourself, you know what I mean? Because I think a lot of people are going to hear that and be like, what is that?

[Podcast Contributor]

What's.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

Like, what's a centerfold? And then you have to explain to them there was a magazine, and then, you know, sometimes in magazines. What's a magazine? Okay. They were paper versions of websites. And then you had to fold one of the pages over and you fold it out and it's like really long.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

You know, I'm the center of attention

[Podcast Host 1 (Possibly Ben Mandelker)]

and I'm a relic of legacy media.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

That would have been much better.

[Podcast Contributor]

Yes. Thank you.

Hi.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

I'm the center of attention, as Scott Baio used to jerk off to me in real life. Wasn't he always at the Playboy Mansion? Every time I think of the Playboy Mansion, I just think of gross Scott Baio being there and getting. Probably getting handsy with everybody.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Yeah, well, like, I. Like, I think I've said many times on the show, I did manage to make my way there once 20, 24 years ago. And Anna Nicole Smith was there and Gloria Allred and Jesse Jackson. And I was like, wow, there. That. This makes no sense.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

It doesn't make a ton of sense, but it is a lot better than the celebrities that she brought up on her. She's like, yeah, well, I would be at the Playboy Mansion. I mean, Tony the Tiger was there. Lady from who's the Boss.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Yeah, that and also the spin off

[Podcast Contributor]

of who's the Boss?

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

That everyone forgot about called. I'm actually the boss. Didn't do very well.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

There was a spin off of that, wasn't there?

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Was there? I'm sure. I feel like they're probably called off

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

of who's the Angel, Angela?

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

It's called Danny Petoro needs a job. Danny Pintoro has made some media.

[Podcast Host 1 (Possibly Ben Mandelker)]

Danny Botoro has been in the news,

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

I think, because he was. I think he's like, driving Lyft or Uber or something. I'm like, get in line. I mean, I'm obviously not doing that anymore, but I did it. I did it.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

So there was a spin off.

[Podcast Contributor]

Okay.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

By my shoulder, because I met him at a party once, like, 15 years ago, and he was such a dick to me that I'm like, anytime I have a chance to take a dig at Danny Pinturo, I'm like, I'm gonna take it.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

I don't know who that is. So I'm just nodding along.

[Podcast Contributor]

Who. Who was.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

He's the kid on who's the Boss. He's the son.

[Podcast Host 1 (Possibly Ben Mandelker)]

He's actually.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

I really shouldn't be holding onto a grudge for 15 years for poor Danny Pintoro. It sounds like he's hit hard times.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

Oh, has he? To me, I looked him up. It says, what is Danny Pintaro doing today? Former child star Danny Pintaro currently balances acting with five different gig jobs to make ends meet, which notably includes working as an Amazon Flex delivery driver.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Oh, that's what it was.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

So, you know. But there was a spin off of Living Dolls called. I mean, there was a spin off of who's the Boss called Living Dolls. Do not remember. Do not remember that.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

I don't. I can't even imagine how that was that about Mona. Was it like. Did Mona become a fashion designer? I would love.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

It was a vehicle for teen models in New York and is primarily, notably, primarily notable today for featuring the first acting roles of Halle Berry and Leah Remini. The show was born out of a backdoor pilot in the fifth season of who's the Boss? Focusing on a character, Charlie, played by Leah Remini. Remini who was introduced to Samantha, Michelle's friend, Micelli's friend. While a sequel series that would have reunited Tony Danz and Alyssa Milano was in development for Amazon's Freevy, it was officially scrapped and is not moving forward.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Well, wow.

[Podcast Contributor]

Okay.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Well, that's. I mean, who is the boss? Michael Learned. Michael learned, by the way, was the matriarch of that show. Michael learned.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

I mean, well, I know a matriarch is a woman, but wasn't Mona the matriarch of who's the Boss?

[Podcast Contributor]

She was.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Michael was the matriarch of Living Dolls.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

Oh, for Christ's sake. I'm the one who brought up living Dolls. You say Mona.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

I saw Michael Learned in the Sisters Rosenzweig.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

Wow. There you go. You know, the Sisters Rosenzweig has played longer on this show in Mentions than it did in real life.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Well, we were a really big Wendy Wasserstein podcast. People don't realize that Wasserstein's the boss.

[Podcast Contributor]

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[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

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[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

Oh, Tamara, go for it.

[Podcast Contributor]

I'm still the hottest house, and that's my opinion.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

Yeah, this was another one that wasn't read right.

[Podcast Contributor]

She's like, I'm still the hottest, and that's my opinion.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

No, it's not. How you say that's my opinion? You say, that's my opinion. I mean, if you're not going to do it, then don't do it. Don't use that as your line, you know?

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Yeah. So that's actually her callbacks. I think her first tagline was something

[Podcast Contributor]

like, I'm the hottest. Ass counting. My hair looks like a gum trap.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

So it's a call back to 20 years, and then we end with Vicki.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

Wives come and go, but legends, we whip it up forever.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

What was your favorite of. What was your favorite of all these lines?

[Podcast Contributor]

Just because I'm spoken for, it doesn't mean I won't speak up.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

Just kidding.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

It's not a bad line.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

I don't. I don't know. I think probably Heather's. Probably still funny.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Yeah, I. I think Heather's.

[Podcast Contributor]

I don't know.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

I. I. Oddly enough, I kind of enjoy Shannon's. How do I hold it all together? Resilience and shapewear. Yeah. Not mad at that.

[Podcast Contributor]

Not mad.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

Yeah, that one. So that one's pretty good, too. I think it starts going downhill with Jen and then keeps kind of going. So we go to Bunge. Jim

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Bunge. But it sounds like some sort of like. Like a word we're not supposed to say.

[Podcast Contributor]

He's. She smelled like Bunge, you guys.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

That word was outlawed in the early 2000s. We've all decided we're no longer saying bunch.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Yeah, Bunge. So, yeah, this is a gym called Bunge. And it's a gym where people strap onto bungee cords and then do, like, aerobics or something.

[Podcast Contributor]

So Shannon's like, I'm so excited to

be here because I'm happy I live at the ranch. Oh, God.

I've seen this on Instagram, which is. Which is rare because I only limit myself to 24 minutes of social media per week because I've heard that Instagram will decay your eyeballs because of lasers in the phone. So they got in that Window.

Congratulations,

you're gonna fly, Pedranti. And Gina's like, oh, my God, I'm so scared. You feel so bad.

I feel Bungie.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

So they're gonna.

[Podcast Contributor]

I feel so.

I feel so bombed.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

So now, naturally, they get strapped into bungee cords and start doing a step touch, because why not? And I was like, what is this?

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

Okay, guys, we're starting with the step touch because I want you to hear the rhythm of the music and get it into your body. You're talking to Shannon and Gina and Jen. There will be no rhythm here getting into any bodies.

[Podcast Contributor]

Okay?

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

There will. There will be none. The instructor's like, okay, now that I've strapped you into your bungee cords and you're doing a step touch, the big

[Podcast Contributor]

reveal is that you will all be recreating.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Turn off the dark.

[Podcast Contributor]

Okay, everyone.

Okay.

You are.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Doc.

[Podcast Contributor]

Doc.

Oh, my God, I'm scared.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

So they do this thing, and Shannon's

[Podcast Contributor]

like, well, I'm not a huge fan of exercise, but I need to be more stable. Cue montage of me going, wah.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

Shannon purposely falling 9 million times.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Yes. But then she actually did show some footage of herself trying to pick up mail from her front stoop and just falling over. And that one made me laugh because that one was not actually intentional. So that was good.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

She said, yeah, Gina called me. And then I just felt fell over. And you just see the ring cam footage of her falling over. You know, people were so worried about ring cams, like the. Or, you know, just the cameras everywhere. They're like, in your, you know, your Alexa thing, in your house. Like, they're everywhere now. And people were like, oh, my God, cameras.

[Podcast Contributor]

What? The government's gotta get us.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

What is the government doing watching all of these videos? It's just all of us, like, picking our nose while we're waiting for somebody to come to the door or just falling down when your phone rings.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

They basically. Ring cams are basically the new America's Funniest Home videos, you know? Yeah, it's just. It's like. It's like dogs chasing things. It's. It's a lot of black bear footage. There's all.

[Podcast Contributor]

That's like.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

That's a constant thing. It's like.

[Podcast Contributor]

Watches this fearless chicken chased away a black bear.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

It's always like some black bear getting chased away by some very small animal.

[Podcast Contributor]

A tree frog chased away a black bear.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

You know, I'm in. I'm into it. So Shannon is going to learn balance somehow from swinging around and falling over on a bungee and so this is Shannon's typical, like, whoa, it's me.

[Podcast Contributor]

Why am I upside down?

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Yeah, it was kind of fun watching her because, like, she kept on doing these sort of, like, lunge actions, almost like a flying squirrel.

[Podcast Contributor]

She's like, wow.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

And she put, like, all her limbs out, and the court just rip her all the way back, and she just fall over. It was kind of like stunts watching her as a stunt woman.

[Podcast Host 1 (Possibly Ben Mandelker)]

So they do that, and then it ends.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

Woman for what kind of stunt. Kind of stunt would. What kind of stunt film would this be?

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

It's like a stunt woman for, like, grape nuts.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

So that becomes her, like, the lady just falling down the stairs over and over.

[Podcast Contributor]

Well, I've been booked for a cornflakes commercial, so I got to get my stunt working.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

So the. It's. Now they all sit down and talk after the workout, and she's like, well,

[Podcast Contributor]

as you can see, I've been coming here for quite some time.

That was a joke.

And Gina's like, yeah, the only time I work out is when I'm with Jen.

Oh, thank you so much. Well, you're very lucky that you look the way you look. So, you know, it's almost like you've been working out in a parking lot the way I do. So congratulations.

Yeah, well, it's not anything, you know, special. Any kind of special surgery or anything. She's young, okay? That's the answer. Well, speaking of being young, Emily's now 50, and, like, of course, like, we would to Paris, and then we see

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

a picture of them, like, yeah, we're

[Podcast Contributor]

in Paris in front of the Eiffel

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

Tower, and she wants to have a party for Emily because going to Paris isn't enough. Now she needs to throw a party

[Podcast Contributor]

for her best friend because it's on camera.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

So that makes sense. In my mindset, I was. Yeah, I was like, oh, okay.

[Podcast Host 1 (Possibly Ben Mandelker)]

So since everyone couldn't be in Paris,

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

they're going to throw an Emily in Paris party. Because it makes total sense. No, you would think that would have been cute.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

But this cast does not have the fashion to do Emily in Paris. I mean, Emily. Emily in Paris is all about fashion.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

These ladies not do Emily in Paris Casino in Vegas. That's. That's what they could do.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

Emily and Rayon, you know, the spin off when Emily loses everything.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Emily and Laguna. So Gina is like, so I want

[Podcast Contributor]

to give, like, Emily crap about getting old, so I, like, arrange to have, like, a bingo drag brunch. And then, like, I want all of us to, like, dress up like old ladies.

Wait a minute. Golden Girls, Old ladies, like, that type of old lady? Like, real, real old ladies, like, pre surgery old ladies. Why would we do that? Why would anybody do that to themselves?

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

I feel like these are fighting words. I feel like this is Gina's passive aggressive attack on the rest of the cast, because, like, you know, this cast is not necessarily full of spring chickens. And also, Gina, like, I think you're kind of, like, flaunting the fact that you're the youngest of the bunch. So be careful. Be careful. You'll be 50 soon. So that's her.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

That's always been her vibe. And then when she gets mad, she's old.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Yeah. That is what she does.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

But I think that is kind of everybody's thing, right? Because Even when you're 50, like me,

[Podcast Contributor]

the same age as Emily, Even when

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

you're 50, you look at someone, you know, maybe 15, 20 years older, it's like, oh, my God, there's.

[Podcast Contributor]

That

is.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

It's like, babe, you're right there. You're right there. You're five minutes away. You know, I just.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Yeah. Oh, exactly.

[Podcast Contributor]

So I was like, yeah, it's gonna, like, just. It'll be, like, extra hot this way. Like, we'll all look old and. And, like, stupid. But then she'll look really hot because, as we all know, when you get old, you're not hot anymore.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

So then, like, oh, my God, that's so wonderful.

[Podcast Contributor]

Thank you so much. Thank you so much for this great idea.

She was like, oh, well, I guess I have my work cut out for me. Yeah, you have the one on a wig, Shannon. Okay, well, okay.

Do you know how many necks I've had taken off to not look like

this

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

when I was getting my neck lifted? Yeah. When I came out of it from my neck lift, I told the doctor how much skin.

[Podcast Contributor]

How much skin came off.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

He just kind of looked at me and didn't. He didn't even answer this. By the way, this doctor, I think Loki hated me, which I don't blame him. But he didn't even answer me. And I was asking because when Shannon got it done last time, she said,

[Podcast Contributor]

well, that doctor told me he has never seen so much skin taken off one neck.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

And I thought that was so cool. I was like, did I. How much did I get? I should have asked him to save it. I could have made, like a little, I don't know, coin purse or something out of it or a wallet. I don't know how much it was.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

I love. Yeah. You know, I love a non creepy Coin purse made out of your own human flesh. Was it like when you're, like, when you get, like, a chicken thigh with, like, bone in skin on chicken thigh, and there's, like, that extra flap of skin on the end that's like. That's. You gotta cut it off.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

I feel like it was more because I had a lot of stitches, so I wanted to see how much. And I don't know, I thought that was a good idea, like, make a little coin purse or something cute out of it. I mean, I know it's kind of Silence of the Lambs, but it's not as gross if it's your own skin. You know, then you could just. Over the years, by the time I'm 80, I could have, like, a whole closet full of accessories, and then you

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

could, like, put someone in a well and dress them in your skin. It'd be reverse Silence the Lambs. Actually, that's the gay.

[Podcast Contributor]

That's the.

[Podcast Host 1 (Possibly Ben Mandelker)]

That's the out closeted version of Silence the Lambs.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Because the closeted version is I'm going to skin you and wear your clothes. But then once you're out of the closet, you realize you just want to make a woman prettier by putting your skin on them. You're like, no, you get the skin.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

Or just for myself, you know, maybe it could be accessories. Like, I could turn my neck into, like, a. An apple watch band, you know, and then I could turn, you know, my eyes. When I get my eyes done one day, I can. You know, when I get my butt lifted or whatever, you just take each little thing and then add an accessory to yourself, you know? And then by the time you're in your 80s or whatever, you could walk around just fully accessorized by your own old skin that you got taken away. I mean, I think it's a really good idea. And you know what? Someone's gonna hear this and invent it, and I'm gonna be like, ben, I came up with that idea. And you're gonna be like, I don't. Yeah, I don't remember that.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Yeah, because. Yeah, that's true. Because I probably will push this visual out of my brain as soon as possible.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

Sorry. Let's talk about it more.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Yeah, but Shannon. Gina says, like, shannon, did you even

[Podcast Contributor]

say hello to TMRA last night? She's like, no. And you know what, you guys? I don't want to talk about it. So please, more questions.

Jen's like, okay, but, you know, you always take that approach, and, like, I just can't do That I like to speak up. Or as my tagline says, turn it up because I'm getting loud. I'm gonna turn it up.

I really. You know what? I think it's time for you, Shannon,

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

to light a match.

[Podcast Contributor]

Okay.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

And Shannon's like, wait a minute.

[Podcast Contributor]

You're saying I always take the approach that I don't want to talk about it. Have you seen this show?

Well, you've been taking that approach. Like, the. For one thing, you'll say, oh, De Bro likes to keep her hands clean. And sometimes it's feeling like you want me to do it and you want

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Emily to do it.

[Podcast Contributor]

What? No, no.

I, I, I, I just like to surround myself with people who are dumb enough to fall into the trap.

I don't.

Not that I want you to do it. I just enjoy watching you do it.

That's it.

I mean, absolutely. No, no, no. I don't do that. Look like me doing that. It looks like I'm trying to get the whole group, the whole group to gang up on camera. And that is not the intent.

No, no.

I absolutely would never want you guys to fight my battles.

It's like accusing the orange alert of warning people that everybody's a terrorist. Well, I'm sorry for orange. It's a color.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

Okay, Shannon, you definitely. Yeah, Shannon definitely does that. But it's also.

[Podcast Contributor]

I don't get it. I feel bad.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

It's also a long, hallowed tradition of Real Housewives that people talk, and then someone takes that talk and tells everybody else and goes, you were manipulating me.

[Podcast Contributor]

You are manipulating me into telling everybody.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

No, you're just. You're just a person who can't be shit talked around.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Yeah. And also, like, this show in particular has a very long history of blatant manipulators and blatant, you know, patsies. And the patsies know that they're patsies, and they still keep doing it. It's like, Gina will say things like,

[Podcast Contributor]

the thing with TMRI is that, like, she'll, like, put something out there, and then, like, you go and report it, and then she looks good, and then you're, like, the messenger gets killed. And, like, happens every time.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

And then, like, Gina turns around and does it, like, 10 times in the

[Podcast Contributor]

season, goes, well, I so bad. But, like, if I had known it, I wouldn't have said it.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

Ah, it's just so sad to think of Gina as a patsy. Cheers. Thanks a lot. She is. You are no patsy, ma'.

[Podcast Contributor]

Am.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

Okay. You are no patsy or Eddie, ma'. Am. But, yeah, you're right. Gina is. Gina and Emily both do that, but Gina is the worst about doing it.

[Podcast Contributor]

Like, oh, my God, she's manipulating me into telling Shannon that she looks old. Shannon, you look old.

Oh, my God.

God, I meals.

Oh, man.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Rinna would do it, too, on Beverly Hills, to be fair, to give some. To remind people that it extends beyond this franchise. Rinna would fall for this. These traps all the time and then get so mad about it, but she would know it was happening.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

But famously, I mean, Rena's. Rena's were the biggest on Housewives history. I mean, she had the Munch housings. You have Munchausen.

[Podcast Contributor]

She's like, that was, that was Vanderpump and Kyle who manipulated me into saying that.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

And then there was the, the donkey gate, the puppy gate with Dorit where they were talking. Lisa Vanderpump was talking shit about Dorit getting rid of the adopted dog. And then Rinna, you know, and everybody bringing it forth and really going through, like, you.

[Podcast Contributor]

Vanderpump manipulated this whole thing. You're all suckers.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

Entertaining suckers. Those were the days, you remember when we complained about Puppy Gate going on for too long. God, I missed puppy.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

I don't feel like I did. I feel like I always enjoyed it. People can maybe correct me, but I feel like I always enjoyed it. I've often been someone where when people say, like, this is going on so long, I'm often someone who relishes it. I know. I like a long.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

Oh, yeah, then that was me. That was me who complained about it probably, like, yesterday, because I complained about it all the time. Like, I still complain about it in modern times. Like, oh, Puppy Gate.

[Podcast Contributor]

Am I right?

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

I'll just welcome anyone party to see who's listening.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Yeah, well, the, the good thing is that we, as a podcast, are known for brevity. Anyway, back to this first scene. So Shannon is like, what are you talking about, Jen?

[Podcast Contributor]

I, I, I, I, I, I may have expressed some opinions here or there.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

And then we see a flashback of Shannon just, like, venting about, like, Heather to, like, Jen.

[Podcast Contributor]

Like, well, I mean, it's frustrating that when we're alone with Heather, she'll say

certain things, and then when we're all together as a group, she's like, buddy, buddy.

And I am so furious. And you know what?

Someone should face. And I wonder who it would be

of the two of us, anywho. But anyway, don't fight my battles. My poor, sweet arsonists.

Well, in no way shape, form, shapewear or formware Did I expect her to say things on my behalf? I absolutely did not.

And actually, I did have a dream last night that I was a cylinder, and so. And then I as a cylinder. I did want her to say things. So I guess in one shape, I did. I did want her to say something, but in all other shapes, I did not want her to say something.

And Jen's like, well, you know, I was like, forget it. I'm just gonna say to Tamara. And I did. So there. Thank you. Thank you for listening. Gina's like, yeah, she basically told Tamara, we all talk about it when she's not there.

Oh, oh, oh, oh, I see. Jen's like, I did.

The problem was, you know, I brought up Heather, and Tamara walked away kind of, I see. To Heather. And, you know, it's a story of

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

fire and ice, if you will.

[Podcast Contributor]

And Heather's no dummy. She knows that Tamara's pissed. And I'm sure Heather's looking at me like, what the did you do that for?

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Yeah, because it's a good question. What the did you do that for Jen? Jen's like, you know, her pride, her. Her intention was not to cause problems for Heather and Tamra.

[Podcast Contributor]

She just wants to just get everything out there.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

And she goes, I know it's so

[Podcast Contributor]

hard for Heather, and I'm gonna speak for my girlfriend. And it's so nice to know that you have someone.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

So we see a flashback with Heather

[Podcast Contributor]

being like, I always feel in this group, like everyone sort of buddies up, and I don't feel like I have a buddy. You have to be my buddy now. There's nothing I love more than making a poor person my buddy.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Heather's just desperate at this point. Like, it's been years that Heather has wanted to be part of a fun duo. Like, years, even a trio. But even when she's, like, sort of wedged her way into a trio, she always knows she's on the outside. She just wants a bestie on this show, and she cannot get it. And now she's at the point where she is actively recruiting. Like. Like, Jen just, you know, answered a call for. On Indeed.com.

[Podcast Contributor]

it's like, now. Recruiting buddy for an extremely wealthy person. Obligations. Carrying all my bowls to Nobu. Other obligations. Using the service door. Other obligations. Not talking to me unless talked to. Thank you.

Yeah.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

Heather really has been trying to get a little friend for years, and she just can't do it because it just never comes on, you know, she's just not a very genuine. Maybe she is genuine, but she's a very robotic, disingenuous person. Well, here's the thing. Personality wise. Remember when she went with Gina?

[Podcast Contributor]

She's like, look at us both east coasters going to the east coast together, walking through the city like a couple of girls eating pizza. Whoops. I slipped a pizza on my purse. That is how carefree I am, girlfriend. Hey, you need a new jacket. I'll bring you 97 of the same jacket for you to try on.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

That's because Heather keeps on going to the shelter and, like, she keeps on getting these rescues and we all know she just wants a purebred, but she doesn't, you know, and the show won't give her any, by the way, because, like, in her perfect. In her perfect world, she would be buddy buddy with her friend who has the. The vineyard who shows up in the background of these episodes. But instead, like, the show just throws her Jen. Or a G. Yeah. Or an Emily. And she has to. She's just like, tries to make it work, but they're from two different worlds. It's just the connection is not there. They don't understand her. She doesn't really understand them. And they try to make it work

[Podcast Contributor]

because, like, friendship is beyond all sorts of socioeconomic classes.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

It's just. She can't. She can't do it.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

She can't do it. And the first person I thought of too was the late. The couple that they had over when she and Terry had.

[Podcast Contributor]

Yeah.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

The other doctor. Dr. Jen over with Ryan. You remember that one?

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Yeah, that's the lady. That's the one.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

The lady. Right.

[Podcast Contributor]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

That's the first one I thought of too.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

I always forget someone that she can be awful, just. She can be just horrible and rich and terrible with, you know, and I think that she needs that. I mean, look, Heather. I've had my ups and downs with Heather on the show. Just, I guess like any character on a reality show. Like, some years they make you crazy. Some years they're great, some years they're just blah. But Heather has paid her dues. Give her an awful person to hang out with, like another awful, equally rich person.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Bring Nancy Bellow on. Make her. Make her full time. You know, honestly, there could have been some real good. Yeah, they're the Bellow family. Family or vineyards or whatever. But honestly, like, there could have been a world where Heather and Katie Janela could have been together because Katie Janella already sort of talks in a WASPy way. And it just would have been. That could have worked if. If Katie hadn't fallen for Gina's, you know, schemes to, you know, Katie was the. Speaking of someone who did dirty work, it was Katie doing. Doing Gina's dirty work. But that could have worked out too bad.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

Yeah. So then, let's see. Where are we? So Jen's like, yeah, you know, and

[Podcast Contributor]

then I get in the car and I get a text from Tamara, and she's saying, like, I appreciate you so much. You know, we're friends. And I thought, oh, my God, now I'm friends with Tamara again. Oh, that's. I mean, listen, the text was very kind, but in my mind, I'm like, oh, my God. That was not my intent. I do. I'm not. I'm not friends with Tamara again.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

Well, that's what you get, dodo.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Yeah.

[Podcast Contributor]

Yeah.

She's like, the fact that I feel like I do have a friendship with Heather, and now I've caused this problem. I can see this spiraling, and I want to fix it. Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Because you guys sat down and agreed to be buddies, and the first thing you did was talk shit about her behind her back and say, make it sound like she was, like, a monster. And now you're like, oh, wow, no,

[Podcast Contributor]

she doesn't like me anymore.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

Yeah, here comes one right now. One thing my mom loves is to bargain hunt. She will go to a garage sale, to a flea market, any old sale at the mall. I'm taking her from sale to sale to sale to sale, and I finally found someplace online that I can just park her and she'll have the time of her life. And. And that is Whatnot.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Whatnot is an app that does live shopping. There's a whole community there on whatnot.

[Podcast Host 1 (Possibly Ben Mandelker)]

You're connecting with sellers and other shoppers,

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

and it's kind of like hanging out with a group that gets you. And this is, like, a really fun way to shop.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

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[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

And there are amazing sellers with great, great taste. And they're going live all the time, like 24 7. You can comment in real time, and

[Podcast Host 1 (Possibly Ben Mandelker)]

they'll just show you, like, close up of clothes.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

You'll be like, hey, can I get. Can I see that a little bit closer?

[Podcast Host 1 (Possibly Ben Mandelker)]

I want to see that detail on that shirt.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

And they will show it to you because it's real time and you can sell, too.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

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[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

It's amazing what you can find on there. I literally just purchased a mid century

[Podcast Host 1 (Possibly Ben Mandelker)]

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[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

and I've seen it listed elsewhere on

[Podcast Host 1 (Possibly Ben Mandelker)]

the Internet for $80.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

It was a bargain.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

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[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

So now we go over to Emily and Shane and they're doing a photo shoot. We're a bride and groom. Wow, that's great. On the season that you're talking about wanting to divorce Shane again, I know

[Podcast Host 1 (Possibly Ben Mandelker)]

they're taking photos for her new podcast

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

or their new podcast and she says,

[Podcast Contributor]

so you know how we did Legally Brunette and we did the shots for Legally Brunette, which were amazing, by the way. A lot of these cases that we talked about have to do with husbands, you know, unaliving wives and wives, unaliving husbands. So why not separate that out and just have its own podcast? We're called it Till Death Do Us Part.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

The photographer's like, great, that's like, that's amazing. I'm. I'm. I'm so excited.

[Podcast Contributor]

Can you.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Can you just, like, stand still so I can take the photo?

[Podcast Contributor]

Thanks.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

A spin off of something that not that many people are already into. That's crazy. It's like that Murder channel. I think it's ID with one of the. One of the murder channels that they have so many murder shows that they really get specific, like the neighbor next door, you know, and then every single one of them is about a neighbor next door going crazy and killing someone. I mean, they're very specific. It's like the lady I hired to walk my dog once. It's like, whoa. Dog walkers who have committed murder.

[Podcast Contributor]

Hamster ball.

Choke.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

Hamster balls.

[Podcast Contributor]

Choking people for the years.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

Like, damn, you guys, you. There's really every kind of murder.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

There really is. I mean, I think this is a good title for a podcast, Till Death Do Us Part. But I mean, it's like, wow. Like this revolutionary idea of a podcast about husbands who kill wives or wives who kill husbands. Like, all right.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

You know, But I think that's already the aim of something home. It has to be the name Till Death. Till Death Do Us Part title. Let's see if it's in anything. The phrase originally from a traditional wedding vows. It has to be. Well, there's a film in 2023, Till Death Do Us Part. And in 2027. And there's a show called Till Death do us. Yeah. 20 2007. 2019. Till Death Do Us Part. Classic 1960s BBC. Till Death Do Us Part, 1997, a young adult romance. So I guess you're allowed to use it a million times.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Yeah. Speaking of death, did you hear that Brenda Fricker died?

[Podcast Contributor]

No.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

Stop. Why I do that.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

I love her. We don't get a lot of Brenda Fricker moments. Okay, so let's celebrate her. Let's.

[Podcast Contributor]

Oh, Brenda, you mean that amateur actress who never really had a career after her Oscar?

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

How dare you?

[Podcast Contributor]

That.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

What a bummer. God. RIP Brenda Fricker, we loved you. But I would like to congratulate Emily because she's already getting ready. Like, if you look up Till Death to Us Part title, you already see the ratings. Her future podcast is going to get two stars. One and a half star.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

If you're going to use.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

If you're going to use a title that's been done a million times, Google it and make sure that people don't search for Death Do Us Part, and the first thing that comes up is two stars.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

You Know, Well, I. By the way, the reason why I mentioned Brenda Fricker.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

Call yourself Brenda Fricker. You'll come up with five stars every time.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

No, I bring it up because it was, like, trending on Twitter, and I was like, you know, God bless this actress. She, you know, she won an Oscar. She had, you know, she was great actress. She worked, and you never would have thought that, like, her death would be the one that would cause Twitter to be like, everyone, stop. We have to share this. So I love that Brenda Fricker had a moment on Twitter.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

Yeah, I love Brenda Fricker. She's a great actress. But I do dread going on, like, Facebook or whatever, or Instagram or whatever, where every, you know, background actor you've ever met is going to post. Here's me and Brenda Fricker. I know one of my true allies and friends, Brenda Fricker, who I worked with. I'm mourning today.

[Podcast Contributor]

What?

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

You met Brenda Fricker in a crosswalk? Okay, stop. Okay, this is not your moment.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

She's doing method work for her Home Alone two part.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

So anyway, all right, let's just pretend

[Podcast Contributor]

that my left foot never happened.

Why don't we? Speaking of which, I think I have a. I think I have a bunion. Could someone take me to the doctor, please? Oh, God.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

So they're doing this photo shoot. Okay, so they're doing a new, new podcast about true crime. Husbands and wives killing each other. And Emily's saying how starting out under two T's was great because they had a built in audience, but.

[Podcast Contributor]

But now Gina's telling me that Tamara is mad at me because I didn't show gratitude.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

And we see Tamara the other day when they were sitting at that, like, batika store or whatever, it was like,

[Podcast Contributor]

yeah, she put out a purse that said, oh, we're going on our own feed.

There's that.

Thank you, Teddy. Thank you, Tamara. Thank you, India. Thank you, Tutu.

It just felt like she was being ungrateful.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

It's funny how everybody is just forgetting the real reason that Tamara got pissed at Emily. Emily is, of course, the biggest victim. Like, she said my podcast was taking on her network. Yeah, you. You guys accused her of spreading rumors and talking to bloggers. Why aren't they bringing that up? Or they did they bring it up and I just didn't hear it. But it's so funny that Emily's like, I can't believe she did this to me.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

You were awful.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

You were awful last season, as usual. And now you're coming back crying like you're the victim. I can't.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

And I mean, Emily gets what she deserves because she cozied up to Tamara, she kissed Tamara's ass. She did all those things, and now I came back to burn her. Do you think that Emily should have. When she left the two T's umbrella, do you think that she should have thanked them in her. In her message?

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

Well, yeah, I mean, normally you. If you move to another place or whatever you say, like, oh, it's been so good being with my, you know, my Teddy family. And I mean, it would have been nice, but I don't know that it's required, especially if she got dropped by them, you know, because they're with I heart, and this thing is also with I heart. So I don't know how that works.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

If they got dropped, then I don't know if you have to thank them. But if she made the volunteer. Volunteer move, probably would have been the nice thing to do, believe it or not. I mean, I hate to advocate for this, but I think probably say, oh, and thanks to Teddy and Tamara for, you know, basically putting our show on. Yeah. Giving me my start. You know, it would have been nice,

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

but Tamara was on the reunion, like your podcast tank.

[Podcast Contributor]

Nobody listens to that stupid.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

So I don't know. Do you think that person and Teddy yesterday, he's always going to be on Tamara's side no matter what, or Kyle's. So, yeah, I don't know. I don't know that you need to say thank you if someone's an. I don't know how that.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Well, she even says here she's. Emily says.

[Podcast Contributor]

You know, when you say something about my podcast that isn't accurate, that really pisses me off. Like, why are you insulting something that makes you money? I can only assume that your attempt is to humiliate me. So just say you're sorry. We're too old to act like this.

Except for me because I'm still like y'.

All.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

Yeah, so she said. So she's talking to Shane and she's like, well, starting out under two T's was great because we had a built in audience, but Gina's telling me Tamara. Oh, yeah, sorry, you already did that part.

[Podcast Contributor]

I'm sorry.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

Scroll, let me scroll. Let me scroll a bit. So he's like, okay, so how about you put together a thank you card and then just say thank you? Because what is she going to do then? I mean, if you just say thank you, then she can't say, you didn't say thank you.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

She will what she will do is she'll take the card, and she's like,

[Podcast Contributor]

this is what I think about your card.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Rip it in half and say, like,

[Podcast Contributor]

this is not supposed to be a thank you. This isn't. This is stupid.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

You know? So, no, I don't think the thank you card will really work.

[Podcast Contributor]

Also, give me a card that says you. That's what you meant. Box meetings.

That's.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

So Tamara arrives at a restaurant called Rare Society, which I don't know why. That's, like, funny.

[Podcast Contributor]

And.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

And Heather's there too. And Heather's probably like, I like this

[Podcast Contributor]

restaurant because I would rarely see be seen in Society eating with Tamara. Barney. Okay. Hey, how are you? How is it going today? Can we, like. Can you, like, fix your hair?

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

And so Tamara's like.

[Podcast Contributor]

Like this?

She's like, no, the other way.

Like this.

Oh.

Turns out you can't get the pore out of those.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Those locks.

[Podcast Contributor]

So you could just have it where?

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

However you want.

[Podcast Contributor]

Unfortunately, scrunching doesn't cause fresh hair to grow.

Okay, well, so I guess we should talk. So why. Why is your hair looking more poor than usual?

Well, that was paddleboarding.

Oh, you and Eddie. Is that true?

She's like, yeah.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

And we see footage of them paddleboarding and her rolling around in the salt water.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

She falls off the paddleboard, and at home, Shannon's like, someone is stealing material.

[Podcast Contributor]

What? That is.

Whoa.

Have I been relatable enough asking you questions about why you got dirt in your hair like usual?

Oh, you know, I'm done with all the daredevil.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

What daredevil did Heather do? Did she walk into a dollar tree once?

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Don't you remember? She did a. She did a tough mutter, and then she, like, sprained her ankle or something. Remember?

[Podcast Contributor]

She's like, I'm a joiner. You ask me to do a tough mutter, and I will, because I am relatable.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

So Tamara's like, yeah, I can't do this.

[Podcast Contributor]

I get older. My nervous system's getting really weird.

Heather's like, meaning what, you uninformed imbecile?

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

And she's on.

[Podcast Contributor]

Tamara's like, I haven't stopped to take much.

Oh, well, I didn't go to sleep until 2am last night. I didn't like the way we ended the party.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

I liked how they're just like, I'm just gonna disregard you saying that your nervous system is in decline and that you haven't been able to sleep.

[Podcast Contributor]

Well, I haven't. She's like, I did. I was able to go to sleep but just slightly later than usual. Anyway, my turn to talk. So I didn't like the way we ended the party. I didn't like you walking off. I didn't like the conversation I had with Jen afterwards. I didn't like any of it. And then I realized I don't like any of you people. Anyway, what's new with you?

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

And Heather's like, well, what did.

[Podcast Contributor]

What did she say?

Tamara says, well, I just want to

let you know that Heather said things behind your back. That's what Jen said.

She's like, oh, stop, stop.

Yeah, and then I'm putting the box, like, basically, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not friends with people that I think I'm infected with. Him. You put me in the box, Jenna.

She goes, I put everyone in a box.

Listen, it's not legal to put dry cleaning bags over their heads anymore and just watch them flail in the backseat. Boxes it is.

Here, I got you one. It's a leftover shoe box from Nikki. He bought some Reeboks. Does it fit over your head?

Stop it. Stop it.

Oh, I got sand in my shoebox. Oh, well, Alfredo, can you take this? Thank you.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

So we see flashbacks of Jen saying this stuff, and Jen is questioning Heather,

[Podcast Contributor]

like, well, but don't you think she crosses lines with you? Huh? And don't you ever feel like you just want to say, enough? And, you know, what bucket do you put her in? You know, it's different than a box, but, you know, I could change it. A bucket could be a box. A bucket with a lid. Is that a box?

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

Yes or no?

[Podcast Contributor]

Answer me.

A bucket is sort of like an open face sandwich, but in box version. You see what I'm saying?

No.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

So there's like, your face on a sandwich.

[Podcast Contributor]

I feel like this is when I put a fresh change of clothes and a bar of soap on a string and dragged it around the house until Alfredo came to the kitchen to clean the oven baited. And I don't like it. They don't understand. I can have a problem with your behavior and then reach out to you and call you as a friend.

Yeah, but you talk to me like I'm a serial killer. I mean, I don't feel like you like me.

She's like, oh, no, no, no. I'm not trying to make you sound like a serial killer. You do that for yourself. I could not have been more in your corner. Which reminds me, I need to get some delicing medication after this.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Been in your corner, not trying to

[Podcast Contributor]

call You a serial killer? Just a taste murderer.

Do you understand?

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

Is that clearer? And so Tamara's like, well, I can

[Podcast Contributor]

see why Jen's confused about Evan not liking me or not, because. So nice to meet a party. You know, between that part about everything, I feel a little bit. It's manipulative.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

Come back, Tamara.

[Podcast Contributor]

Come back.

Okay, Hep is controlling. That's it.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

Yeah, we know. And so. And this is so funny. It's two people who have known each other forever calling each other out for who that person is. You know, Tamara's like, Heather's a manipulative. You know, manipulative.

[Podcast Contributor]

Damn it.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

These shows really train you wrong. A manipulative person. And Tamara is someone that everyone's terrified of because she's mean. I mean, you're both right. Just eat your lunch. You know, at some point, you just have to be like, you are a horrible human being, and I really love getting chips with you.

[Podcast Contributor]

Let's order some.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Well, and you know that, like, Heather is definitely on edge this season, because the return of Vicky, it means that the return of the Trace amigos is on the horizon. And so Heather's been pushed all the way down to number four. And she is. She is not happy about this. So she goes, I just.

[Podcast Contributor]

Because you don't like someone's behavior, that doesn't mean you hate the person. Similarly, just because you don't like the way someone acts doesn't mean that you hate them as an actor. Wendy Malik.

Yeah, I don't understand what that means. What the hell? So wait, can I be in a different box that other people are in? I don't want to be in the same box.

I mean, maybe put me in a

pretty box or something.

It's like everyone's in their own box. Okay, so, you know, that's what I was trying to explain to Jen. Jen's in the stupid box.

This is how she is.

She didn't get it.

She thinks the box is a bucket. Duh.

The most important thing is Alfredo is not allowed to open the boxes. We give them things in bags.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

So Heather tells us that in years past, maybe she wouldn't say things directly to Tamra because Tamara is scary. But you have to compartmentalize certain parts of people so you can toy other

[Podcast Contributor]

parts of them, you know, because, you

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

know, when you're friends with trauma, that's how it works. You push it down. You push it down.

[Podcast Contributor]

Well, if you have a problem with me, I just want you to tell me what the problem is.

She's like, well, I told you exactly how I felt at what happened at the Quiet Women Woman. I told you I was embarrassed. Was I mincing words with you? No, I am not telling you that. I've never talked about you. I have. I've laughed about you. For instance, I just told Nancy Bellow, wow, you should see the piece of garbage I have to film with tomorrow. God, worse than ever I say these things, but I'm being very honest with you.

The other day, I was telling you, you know what? You look fantastic. Whatever you're doing, I would like to do it. And then I realized I was talking to a stick of beef jerky. But the intention was there. The intention was there.

Say, hey, wait a minute, Tamara, I know we spend so much time asking, why is there sand in your hair? But maybe we should be asking the beach, why is there Tamara Judge hair in your sand?

I think that Heather changes her personality with whoever she hangs out with. What about that? So you know what? Just don't talk about me. Just don't talk about me to them.

And she's like, okay, I'm not going to.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

On this television show about women talking about each other.

[Podcast Contributor]

Yeah. I'm hoping that she'll stop so that way I can be the other one talking behind one of our backs. Okay, but if she doesn't, these girls are gonna let me know because they're getting sick of it, too.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

Oh, yeah. Oh, gosh.

[Podcast Contributor]

Can I at least be in a box with the pity bell?

With diamonds. Not lab, though.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

So then Shannon goes to a boutique called On Castile. It's supposed to be on cue. Am I spelling Q wrong?

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Q, U, E. Looks French.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

Like it's probably only notice Spanish. Well, pardon?

[Podcast Contributor]

No sensations, I'll tell you that much.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

So Shannon walks in and she goes,

[Podcast Contributor]

oh, well, I haven't seen you for a while. And the owner's like, well, look at you.

You look great.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

What happened? Also, we've never met before.

[Podcast Contributor]

Oh, well, what kind of bag is this?

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

And she's like, oh, that's Jean Paul Gaultier.

[Podcast Contributor]

Oh, well, it's Hermes looking. And you have a ton of.

You have.

You're doing great work. You're doing great work, lady. Naomi, is it?

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Susan, of course.

[Podcast Contributor]

Oh, wow.

Look at me having fun.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

Naomi is kind of an. Can we just say lady who works here? Not. Not great. You comment.

[Podcast Contributor]

And she goes, whoa, you look great.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

What happened?

[Podcast Contributor]

Well.

Well, okay, okay, I will just look at your Gucci ripoffs. Naomi.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

I looked up. I looked up Q, U, E. And in French it means that. So on that style it could be

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

on that style, but also a French. That's also a word in French. It's like, oh, it's like. It's almost like you. Like when you say you generally, it's like, here's something you should know about, you know? So I don't really know what this.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

I don't.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

I don't understand this boutique. That's what I'm trying to say.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

I don't understand. Most of the boutiques they go into. They're all very confusing places. So she's looking at a purse, and it's Jean Paul Gaultier.

[Podcast Contributor]

Shannon's like, oh, wow, that's very Hermes looking. No offense to Jean Paul or Hermes. Who am I offending right now? What is this store called?

Do we. I appreciate they have something hair maze looking. Do you have anything that's mayonnaise tasting? I'm a little peckish.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

So then Carmela walks in, and she's like, they're bonding. Carmela and. And Shannon, because, you know, they both live in the. Generally the same neighborhood. So Shannon's like. Because Shannon tells us.

[Podcast Contributor]

Well, my fellow member of the ranch, Gina, is throwing a surprise birthday party for Emily for her 50th birthday. And I'd love for you to come because I. I can already tell that we're gonna become great friends, because I need allies now that Vicki's back and Tamara may steal her.

So will you be friends with me, neighbor?

Please, Please.

When I met Carmela, she had such a great energy and an attitude. And Carmela's like, yeah, she's just so genuine. I really feel like she's a girl's girl.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Yup. And so Shannon's like, I'm just.

[Podcast Contributor]

I'm so excited that she's my neighbor. I'm. I'm so excited. I mean, she's a bit. She's a bit slutty and uncouth, and I wouldn't trust my man around her. And she. If she goes walking on the beach

with David, I will have a certainly different opinion.

But, like, I. I do love that she can be my friend.

So. Yes.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Yeah.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

So then Shannon asks her about Heather. She's like, well, did you get to

[Podcast Contributor]

interact with Heather much? I know it's her party, so how was that for you?

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

She's like, well, I did talk to her. I mean, she does throw a mean party. So that's something I said. She doesn't really like Heather very much. She's like, wow, Draws a mean party.

[Podcast Contributor]

Well, I know. I knew she. Everything is always so over the Top. Did you talk to Tamara? Right? You agree she's a. Right. Your words, not mine.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

And Carmel is like, yeah, a little bit. Not much. I mean, you made that comment. And I'm like, I like you. And we see a flashback of Shannon

[Podcast Contributor]

saying, wow, Tam is dressed like Mary, Queen of angels right now. Ms. Conservative, which is a joke.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

And you see Caramel go.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

So, you know, they're complimenting each other.

[Podcast Contributor]

They're like, you're cool, you're cool.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

And so Carmela's like, I mean, it was just easy with you. Instead of feeling like, are you married? Are you divorced? I'm like, oh, my God, I'm just so sick of answering the questions. I mean, my shit's messed up, you know?

[Podcast Contributor]

She's like, well, I mean, by the way, whose isn't? I can't wait for you to tell us your history so I can make this.

This.

Look, the entire time you're talking,

I'm going to pretend that Miss. Miss Youngster over here has as worse problems. Worse problems than I do right now. So that way she becomes friends with me. But we all know that I'm the one who has worse problems than this one.

Okay. Okay.

So how long were you married and what sort of pain did you receive from him?

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

She goes, probably for like 12 to 13 years. But it was like I was like, 21. I was young.

[Podcast Contributor]

Oh, you were taken advantage of.

You were young. You didn't know, and he ruined your life.

I get it.

I get it.

Wow. Okay. We're best friends now, right?

Carmela, Please.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

So she was married to an NF NFL quarterback, right? Jeff Garcia. And she's like, I don't even know how it happened because we're so different. He was 34. I was 21.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Yeah, I don't know how that happened either.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

I mean, me neither.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Normally, quarterbacks are famous for dating people their age or possibly even older.

[Podcast Host 1 (Possibly Ben Mandelker)]

So I don't know how.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

How that happened.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

Normally, quarterbacks about to age out go for someone a little older, you know, and more studied. So she's talking, she's saying that they never divorced. And Shannon's like, oh, well, a lot

[Podcast Contributor]

of people stay married even though they're not lucky them, quote, unquote. Sounds horrible to me. By the way, did you know you can get ice cream for your dog two doors down?

Yeah, yeah, a lot of. A lot of people stay married. Unless you're married to David, in which case he destroys your family. Okay, go on, tell me more.

[Podcast Host 1 (Possibly Ben Mandelker)]

She says, he seemed like such an

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

adult and, like, he Was playing for the Browns and I'll be drunk on the Jumbotron and he asked me if I'd please stop drinking. And I'm like throwing up. I was a mess.

[Podcast Contributor]

Oh, man, that's a great story. So when you met your ex husband, were you working at the time? Do you have any skill sets?

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

And she's like, I was naked in a magazine.

[Podcast Contributor]

Oh, oh, oh, oh, I love that. I'm attaching my caboose to this.

I am a fish drinking a tiny straw right now.

Oh,

surely by accident.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

It's like, yeah, I was working for Playboy at the time. He was the starting quarterback. I was the reigning Playmate of the year. You know how it goes.

[Podcast Contributor]

And she goes, oh, well, that is an honor. Playmate of the year.

Oh, wow.

You're gonna have a first line. You're gonna be first in line to hell. I mean, you're gonna get a big room in Hades, so good for you.

Wow. Hello. I'm calling the slut hotel.

We have a new occupant for you. Wow.

But I, I, we're friends.

Oh, yeah.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

Well, you know, it was the early 2000s. Everybody was at the Playboy Mansion. George Clooney, Michael Bay, David. Oh, hard on inducing. Davey Dave Schwimmer.

[Podcast Contributor]

Wow.

Was anyone from Nickelback there by chance?

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

So she says, I remember leaving the Halloween party one night with Leo DiCaprio and I'm like 20 years old. I'm like driving to his house for the Hollywood Hills, listening to like the Eminem song Lose Yourself. And I am literally like losing myself. I didn't sleep with him though. I should have though. Then she also worked for the wwe

[Podcast Host 1 (Possibly Ben Mandelker)]

and she goes, remember the wrestling?

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

I was on Monday night Raw for them.

[Podcast Contributor]

Oh, Monday Night Raw. That's, that's, is that different from when you curl up in a bathrobe and cry for two hours on your sofa feeling raw.

Well, that's good for you. I mean, I have Tuesday night cooked and Wednesday night ubereats, and Thursday night. I'm not eating today. Just kidding. It was ice cream in the freezer. I didn't know there was any left.

I have Wednesday through Sunday emotional Raw. Is that different?

So what about Friday night? Cry, cry, fry, cry, cry. What were you talking? Centerfold. Centerfold alert.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

So they bond in this little store and then they spend twelve hundred dollars and then we go to Tamara's house. Vicki's over there. Vicki is presumably excited to be back. I mean, you would think that she would be. She, it seems like she's wanted to be back for a long time, but it doesn't look like she is. Every time they show her, she's like, oh my God. Hi, Tamara. God, I hate this. When they start fighting, she's like, I

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

don't like her story.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

I just don't like it.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Yeah, she doesn't seem to actually be enjoying this process anymore. So she's finally back and everything. She's like snoring through.

[Podcast Contributor]

She's not.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

Yes. Ending anything. And she's also not really contributing anything

[Podcast Host 1 (Possibly Ben Mandelker)]

story wise so far.

[Podcast Host 2 (Possibly Ronnie Caram)]

So Vicky, you have to like you're. You're back at work now.

[Podcast Contributor]

Okay?

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

Don't worry. There is going to be some classic Vicky sex shaming coming up for anybody. Anybody who's worried it's coming.

[Podcast Contributor]

Yeah.

Congratulations.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

You've reached the end of part one

[Podcast Contributor]

of a two part recap for part two. Go look for the recap that says part two.

[Podcast Contributor (Likely Ronnie Caram)]

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