#3492 RHOA S17E18: Leaks and Tweaks

Summary

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Episode: RHOA S17E18: Leaks and Tweaks
Date: August 10, 2026
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam

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Main Theme & Purpose

Ben and Ronnie dive into the first part of the Real Housewives of Atlanta Season 17 reunion. They recap, critique, and revel in the drama, fashion, and personalities, focusing particularly on legal scandals, cosmetic surgery chatter, relationship rumors, and off-camera messes that surfaced during the reunion. The episode delivers the show's signature blend of campy commentary, irreverent mockery, and affectionate fandom for all things Bravo.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Reunion Kickoff: Pre-show Chatter & Set Design

Timestamps: 02:36–04:02

• Andy makes the rounds in the ladies’ dressing rooms, highlighting Portia’s positive mood and foreshadowing the tension with Shamia.
• The set is Scotland-themed to match the recent cast trip, with elaborate, colorful costumes—some of which are panned by Ben and Ronnie for being over-the-top or downright ugly.
  • Ben (05:03): “Kelly is wearing a crazy dress that has big fake pearls… I hate it.”

2. Costume Critiques and Fashion Shade

Timestamps: 04:16–06:14

• Observations about Kelly and Shamia “copying” each other's looks, with both sporting headwear/collars by the same designer.
  • Ben (06:14): “The designer put Shamia’s look on Instagram but did not put Kelly’s…I was like, she did not like how it looked on Kelly or she was not proud of that dress, that's for sure.”

3. Scenes Left on the Cutting Room Floor

Timestamps: 06:59–08:50

• Phaedra allegedly filmed a scene with Rep. Jasmine Crockett that didn’t air, which Ben and Ronnie feel would have added real substance.
  • Ben (08:43): “That was bullshit that they didn't show that scene in the main show.”
• The segment raises questions about political appearances on Bravo.

4. Political Aspirations and Election Results

Timestamps: 08:50–10:15

• Short checks on Phaedra’s and Dr. Heavenly Kimes’s political runs, with Phaedra possibly running in the future and Dr. Heavenly recently losing a primary.
  • Andy (09:24): “She came in second to Rep. Jasmine Clark… Out of six, that's not so bad.”

5. Plastic Surgery & "Tweaks" Segment

Timestamps: 10:15–14:14

• The conversation turns to Drew’s new face and body—openly discussed as a “facelift” and a “new booty.”
  • Ben quoting Beyoncé (10:55): “‘Pretty hurts.’”
• The cast pokes fun at Drew’s denial of certain procedures, and the hypocrisy of body shaming is called out.
  • Andy (14:25): “You said you loved him… Isn't that backwards?”
• The ladies spiral into semantics around love, infatuation, and consummation of Drew’s rumored relationships.

6. Scandals & Alleged Scamming: The “Black” Saga

Timestamps: 14:10–19:29

• Drew is grilled about her rumored boyfriend Black, who’s facing multiple lawsuits for allegedly scamming women.
  • Andy (12:51): “That is honestly the most shocking thing I’ve heard in a long time… Black is using women for their money.”
  • K. Michelle (14:46): “One thing we do know about Black is he takes advantage of Black women and does take their money…”
• The discussion devolves into accusations of paid endorsements and gossip, with K. Michelle and Drew arguing over social media posts, alleged collaborations, and off-camera alliances, now further muddled by references to “hookah” endorsements.

7. Housewives’ Prop Comedy

Timestamps: 22:08–23:19

• Drew uses a prop “clapper” to call ‘cut’ on the drama, delighting both the cast and Andy.
  • Ben (23:00): “Andy loved it… With Drew, I'm like, yes. Prop.”
  • Phaedra (23:13): “Round of applause for Drew. That was a great use of a prop.”

8. More Plastic Surgery & Body Talk

Timestamps: 26:18–31:15

• The women debate who has had what done. Shamia, Kelly, and Drew get into “mom card” contests—rivaling stories of plastic surgery, motherhood, and “natural” versus “done” bodies.
  • Andy (30:45): “She’s really trying to play that mom card and no one really cares. It’s hilarious because she keeps on saying ‘I’ve pushed out four babies.’”

9. Portia’s “Fake Dating” and Relationship Ascendance

Timestamps: 32:04–34:13

• Portia explains her newfound happiness with Sway. The hosts praise her self-awareness, and note the difference in her energy this season.
  • Ben (33:13): “I feel like I’m just… going to ascend. That was great, Portia. Profound profundity.”

10. Divorce Drama & Real Estate Reads

Timestamps: 35:00–39:07

• Discussion of custody arrangements, shady divorce settlement posts, and accusations of living in “someone else’s house.”
  • Andy (38:01): “You call it Simon’s house, but I’ve been paying for it and maintaining it.”
  • Portia (38:15): “You shouldn’t be discrediting women while you’re looking for support. Wait, you just were making fun of her for losing her house.”

11. Feuds, Fights, and Friendship Betrayals

Timestamps: 39:07–44:49

• The web of who dated whom is untangled, with Portia, Phaedra, and K. Michelle recounting crossovers in their dating histories.
• K. Michelle beefs with Portia over alleged slights and social media shade, with flashpoints regarding miscarriage comments and support (or lack thereof) during difficult times.
  • K. Michelle (46:57): “Oh, you’ve lived a lot of lives. You’ve lived a lot of them.”

12. Open Relationships and "Cheating Discourse"

Timestamps: 50:15–52:05

• K. Michelle admits she wouldn’t end her relationship over cheating and spins a surprising take relating surgery recovery to relaxed sexual boundaries.
  • K. Michelle (51:00): “All men cheat… If I’m gonna be getting surgeries all the time, I have to… accept the fact that he’s gonna go [to] other women. I was like, what?”

13. Surface Friendships, Group Dynamics & Trust Issues

Timestamps: 52:05–57:17

• Drew accuses K. Michelle of “punching down” on her since day one, sparking a broader talk about trust, paranoia, and off-camera plotting within the group.
  • Ben (53:31): “K. Michelle was punching down on Drew from the very beginning. Was it entertaining? To me, absolutely. But Drew does have a point.”
• Phaedra repeatedly steps in as an explainer or “law corner” for the group’s legal references and emotional dynamics.

14. Plotting, Plans, and Blogger Drama

Timestamps: 57:17–64:18

• Off-camera rumors and alliances are addressed, especially K. Michelle’s paranoia over being “set up” by other women. The cast teases out the complicated web linking K. Michelle, Shamia, and Love & Hip Hop castmate Rashida, with help from a listener’s context email.
  • Andy (58:16): “It’s just that hers [K. Michelle's tweets] go off the rails, you know? You’re like, what are you even talking about?”

15. Cliffhanger: Cynthia Bailey’s Arrival

Timestamps: 64:11–64:18

• The episode ends on a “to be continued” as Cynthia Bailey is teased as the reunion’s special guest.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Kelly's Dress:
  • Ben (05:03): “Looks like she’s crawling out of a pearl hole.”
• On Omitted Scenes:
  • Ben (08:43): “That was bullshit that they didn’t show that scene in the main show.”
• On Plastic Surgery:
  • Andy (10:15): “Drew’s had a facelift, it looks like… I just got a facelift and I can just think ‘ow.’”
  • Ben quoting Beyoncé (10:55): “Pretty hurts.”
• On Black’s Scandal:
  • Andy (13:43): “Black is using women for their money… No, I never saw that coming.”
• Prop Comedy:
  • Ben (23:00): “Andy loved it… With Drew, I’m like, yes. Prop.”
  • Andy (23:13): “Round of applause for Drew. That was a great use of a prop.”
• On Mom-Shaming:
  • Andy (30:45): “She’s really trying to play that mom card and no one really cares. It’s hilarious because she keeps on saying ‘I’ve pushed out four babies.’”
• Portia’s Personal Growth:
  • Ben (33:13): “I feel like I’m just… going to ascend. That was great, Portia. Profound profundity.”
• On Cheating and Relationships:
  • K. Michelle (51:00): “All men cheat… I’m never going to leave him over cheating.”
• On Blogger Drama:
  • Andy (58:16): “It’s just that hers go off the rails, you know? You’re like, what are you even talking about?”
• Phaedra’s “Law Corner”:
  • Andy (55:07): “It’s me, Phaedra the explainer… Thank you, this has been a Phaedra Law corner.”

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Reunion Opens, Set & Outfits: 02:36–06:14
• Omitted Political Scene: 06:59–08:50
• Plastic Surgery / Body Talk: 10:15–14:14, 26:18–31:15
• Drew & Black Mess: 14:10–19:29
• Prop Comedy With Clapper: 22:08–23:19, 39:35–39:41
• Portia’s Relationship Happiness: 32:04–34:13
• Divorce & House Debates: 35:00–39:07
• Feuds/Betrayals: 39:07–44:49, 50:03–57:54
• Surface Friendships & Plotting: 57:17–64:18
• Cynthia Bailey Cliffhanger: 64:11–64:18

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Conclusion

The first part of the RHOA S17 reunion, as roasted and dissected by Ben and Ronnie, is dominated by endless body talk, legal accusations, convoluted friendship beefs, and a few moments of genuine personal growth (mainly from Portia). Standout moments include Drew’s use of a clapping movie prop, K. Michelle’s wild logic about cheating, and recurring shade over plastic surgery and money. The episode closes with unresolved drama and anticipation for Cynthia Bailey’s arrival in the next part.

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[Ben]

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[Phaedra]

Hi.

[Ben]

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[Andy Cohen]

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[Ben]

Yes, well, Atlanta always brings it for the reunion. This is no exception. And we begin with Andy going to Porsche's dressing room and she's feeling good about today. She's excited. It's like the pre, the pre reunion reunion, you know, like, it's like the pre show where he, he goes and says hi to everyone and he's like,

[Phaedra]

well, I kind of feel like it's possible for you to leave in a better place than pretty much everybody with the exception of Shamia. And she's like, yep, you'd be correct. Okay, great.

[Ben]

Well, I will work my hardest to undermine that then.

[Andy Cohen]

And now we see Jarvis for the first time ever, Kelly's boyfriend, the teeth buyer. Jarvis.

[Ben]

Yes. Dun, dun, dun. We finally saw Jarvis. And that was, it was like a quick flash that to stop the cameras that stop everything. And then, and then that was it. So then someone's showing up. Everyone's showing up on the set. The set is Scotland themed, like their mansion. So they all are wearing a lot of colors like greens and etc to match it. And Kelly is wearing a crazy dress that has like these big fake pearls that sort of go around it, up and around it. Her it. I, I hate it.

[Andy Cohen]

So then we looks like she's crawling out of a pearl hole, you know, a wire that goes all the way around her head. And Shamia is doing the same thing, but not with pearls. Hers also has a giant collar that goes around her whole head. So those two are still kind of copying each other, I think.

[Ben]

Well, literally this is great. The same designer, by the way, because very shortly Kelly says, I'm wearing Alina Gershon or I forgot what it was. Like, it's a Gina Gershon, whoever the lady was. So I looked her up. I was like, who designed this awful dress? Is this like a designer, like who is well regarded Etc, like, you know, I'm gonna be like, it's golly, that's Galia Mahab or whatever her name was. And everyone's gonna like, come at me for be like, how could you make fun of this designer? She's so good. So I looked it up and on her Instagram, at least as of last night, I did not look it up today. But it was so funny because Shamia's reunion dress is by the same designer and the designer put Shamia's look on her Instagram grid, but did not put Kelly's. I was like, oh, she did not like how it looked on Kelly or she was not proud of that dress, that's for sure.

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah, Shamia's definitely looked better. I just wonder about all the stuff you're going to get that pearl thing going around her head caught on. You know, she looked like she was

[Ben]

in a basket and that was the handle. It looked like her breath were having a thought and the thought bubble was on her back. It was like,

[Andy Cohen]

well, I'm Andy Cohen. Just hoping Mr. Clean and Papa Smurf don't catch any more strays today. So we're gonna find out today whether there was a plot and a plan or. Or if it was a scheme that Todd set up.

[Ben]

So Andy goes around the horn like, hi, Kelly.

[Phaedra]

Hi, Shabir.

[Ben]

And he gets to Phaedra and we see that Phaedra had a full on scene with Jasmine Crockett and they did not include it in the show. I was like, how do you not include that? That's like, she's like a major politician in this country and that's also like something for Phaedra to do. They're like, they really did not give Phaedra much to do this season and like, that would have been an actual, I think, interesting scene at least. And they just didn't even air that. That's crazy.

[Andy Cohen]

You know, I love Jasmine Crockett. I, I went back to Texas just so I could be there in time to vote for my little Jasmine Crockett. I love her and I know there's some, you know, every politician has problematic stuff, but I just love the way Jasmine Crockett goes in there and reads everybody for filth. It is, yes, iconic. It's like a big. I love her for it. She'd be a great housewife.

[Ben]

Yeah. And I think that this was a bit of a failure on Bravo's part. Like, she's also like, she's like an important person and I think it, it would have been really cool to have seen that scene with Porsche and Jasmine Crockett, and I think I would have liked that. Instead of, like, most things that we've watched Kelly do or Shamia, like, how are we. Like, how do they just cut that? That's like. I'm like, I actually feel like it's kind of offensive, quite frankly. I don't know. Maybe it was. Maybe there's political pressure to not have her not have that footage. Or maybe like, there was a mandate to not include politicians on the show or something. People who are running for office. You know, who knows? There's all sorts of crazy with the FCC right now, the way the FCC has gone after, you know, ABC and cbs. Maybe Peacock wants to just. Or NBC wants to stay out of it. But I think that's. I think that was bullshit that they didn't show that scene in the main show.

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah, well, they showed it here, so that's. I just needed a little. You know, I was.

[Ben]

Yeah, it was great that they showed it.

[Andy Cohen]

Portia is going. Not Portia. Phaedra is going to be running for office. And, you know, Heavenly is just at home, like, did it first. I did it first. Thank you. Thank you very much. Yeah. How did Heavenly do in that? Is she still running?

[Ben]

Let's see. Heavenly Times election results.

[Phaedra]

She lost the Democratic premier on May 19, 2026.

[Ben]

That's the. Wow. According to ballot Job.

[Andy Cohen]

Keeping up with that.

[Ben]

Yeah, seriously.

[Andy Cohen]

She concedes. Dr. Heavenly Kimes has conceded after losing her primary election. Coming in second place. She said they made history together. Supporters. We made history. She came in second to Rep. Jasmine Clark out of a pool of six. Well, hey, out of six, that's not so bad.

[Ben]

She look. Looks like she got, what, 21 of the. So that's actually pretty good. She. Yeah. Jasmine Clark got. Got 61, 000 votes and Heavenly got 23, 000. So, you know, that's not nothing. That's. I think for a first time, first time, you know, winner for a first runner, that's pretty good first run.

[Andy Cohen]

So then we say hi to Drew and talk about the work she's had done. It's like, oh, I've just got a little tweak here there. Drew's had a facelift, it looks like. I think it's a facelift. And she looks great. You know, it's like, I don't. They just make it look so easy on these shows. It's like, I just got a facelift and I can just think, ow. That the whole face. You know, I'll get a little thing here or there, and it's painful, and I'm still crying. Months later, I'm like, ow. Why, God, why? And they're just like, oh, yeah. Between the time we shot and now, I've had a full facelift, and I'm fine. Just keep talking.

[Ben]

Well, Beyonce once said something that I think we can all relate with. Pretty hurts. So they say, like, they're like, oh, wow. Drew's also got a new booty because now she's got her booties as big as Porsche's. Andrew's like, well, it's not leaking, so that's good.

[Phaedra]

And Kim Shell's like, little hair math is leaking.

[Ben]

So then more hellos. Hi, Pinky.

[Phaedra]

Hi, Pinky. I know that you are vegan, but you had quite the meaty season. How you feeling about your first season?

[Ben]

She goes. She's like, well, it felt really good, and I don't ever want to hear the B word again. And the only B word I want to talk about is the fact that I'm having a baby.

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah. So she's pregnant. Everyone's like, oh, my God. Her mom's mad about it, but, you know, she's thinking of naming her Bravisha. They're like, oh, no, no, please don't. So before we dive in, we asked you to submit questions of your own regarding a fellow housewife that I'll be asking at some point tonight. Okay. Porch is like, hated it. So now we're talking about lesbian porn. And lesbian porn experience conversations in Scotland. Angela, Phaedra, and Shamia. Three of you have never had an experience with a.

[Phaedra]

Right?

[Ben]

And Angela's like, never. And she goes, shamia says that she kissed a woman before. She's like, in a movie. She. She goes, I even felt one up in a movie. So Andy is like, drew, can you explain it?

[Phaedra]

Can you please explain the pelvic floor situation?

[Ben]

And so Drew walks us back through this wonderful moment on the show about the pelvic floor, about getting fingered by her physical therapist to keep the finger. The pelvic floor, up and up and where it belongs.

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah, I still. You know, I'm still as perplexed as I was the first time. Drew's one of those people that you shouldn't ask questions that you really need answers to because you don't. It doesn't really make much more sense the second time. So first special viewer question. Phaedra Parks from Atlanta wants to know, Drew, with all the recent controversies surrounding black and his big, white teeth, do you still want to Be the love of his life. And I didn't get that, but we see a headline that says, entrepreneur, Black tatted hit, with lawsuits from three women claiming he turned their loans into luxury living. You guys, that is honestly the most shocking thing I've heard I know. In a long time on out, Black is using women for their money. No, I never saw that coming.

[Ben]

I can't believe it. What is this world coming to now? So, yeah, so Phaedra is like, do you still want to be chomped on by Black? And she's like. She's like, oh, my God, Phaedra. And K. Michelle's, like, chopped and scammed. So, yeah, apparently, Black has been scamming people, which I can't believe he found someone like Drew in his life.

[Andy Cohen]

And.

[Ben]

But she is saying, you know, for

[Phaedra]

the record, there's been no chomping on.

[Ben]

But, you know, so I look forward to continuing to build a good friendship with Black. You know, and they're like, like, no, that's not a friendship. Okay? We know something's going on with you and him.

[Andy Cohen]

And you said that you loved him. It's like, what?

[Phaedra]

What?

[Andy Cohen]

She's giving that innocent face. Like, what are you guys talking about? So Shimmy is like, yeah, you said that you loved him. She said, well, I never said I was in love, though. Which is very different than loving someone. Being in love with someone. I feel it's another level. We just aren'.

[Ben]

Yet.

[Andy Cohen]

Isn't that backwards? Isn't it where you're in love with someone and then you fall in love with somebody, and then when you're sick of each other, you say, I love you, but I'm not still in love with you.

[Ben]

Yeah, exactly. And he's like, did you consummate your relationship? And she's like, no, we have not.

[Phaedra]

I mean, everything is new.

[Ben]

I mean, I sit before you just a few days, freshly divorced, officially. So everyone claps for her. And K. Michelle's like, that means I had sex.

[Phaedra]

He never poked a hoe.

[Ben]

And Pedro's like, has he given you physical therapy? So Drew is still denying everything. And she's like, you know, I have kids.

[Phaedra]

And I think coming out of my marriage, I'm, like, looking at someone also that could possibly, you know, meet my children one day.

[Ben]

Obviously, Drew had whatever relationship she has with Black. She's obviously trying to hide it because of whatever custody issues she's going through with. With Ralph. That's my suspicion.

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah. And K. Michelle's like, well, he ain't. He ain't the one to be in them kids live. They're gonna be run from the police. That's not the one for the kids at all. And Kelly starts cracking up, and she's like, but, you know, when I have my man, he's gonna be sitting right behind me on this stage. Okay, Okay. I just can't wait.

[Phaedra]

All right, well, Drew, it's been reported that black is facing some legal issues. What can you tell us about that?

[Ben]

She's. Well, it is just devastating because he is such a good guy. He's a successful business owner doing amaz things in our community. Have you ever seen someone give hookahs to the poor? Thank God for black.

[Andy Cohen]

You know, it turns out hookahs make you less hungry. So he's really, really helping.

[Ben]

He's been an active member of the Leave no child behind program. You know, and we've had to ask, answer the question, why are children bring hookahs to school?

[Phaedra]

And we just say, why not?

[Andy Cohen]

He's in charge of the community program, Leave behind a hookah. And it's really, really helped. Andy really helps. So Andy's like, well, Drew's saying, well, it's so devastating. He's just such a good person. And Andy asks Kay what her reaction to the news about black is. I'm like, well, that's why I don't want to be connected with black, because one thing we do know about black is he takes advantage of black women and does take their money and do things that. That is a heavy allegation. There has been no evidence provided. Okay. And she's like, huh? There has been a lot of evidence provided, though, Drew. She's like, well, it sounds like you've been talking to people behind the scenes, and I know that you did an endorsement deal for one of the people that's saying that. So you've been paid to say this. K. Michelle.

[Ben]

Drew accusing k. Michelle of talking to people behind the scenes. And her evidence for that is that Drew herself has been talking to people behind the scenes about k. Michelle's endorsement.

[Andy Cohen]

It's so silly. And so they're talking over each other nonstop, and she's like, well, you got an endorsement deal with somebody, and that's why you're talking about it. And then K. K takes everything. So, like, she takes everything kind of the wrong way. And she's like, I didn't do a hookah. I don't smoke no hookah. I got a voice. I sing. I don't smoke a hookah. Because she's taking it like you're accusing me of smoking. And Drew's saying, no, I'm saying the people who filed a lawsuit against them you did a collaboration for. And she's like, well, nobody gave me a hookah and nobody's giving me a hookah, and I smoked one. It's not the argument.

[Phaedra]

I don't do that.

[Ben]

And then Drew's like, but you have an endorsement deal.

[Phaedra]

She's like, for skin care.

[Ben]

She's like, so that's the person.

[Phaedra]

She actually filed the lawsuit against him. That's the person we're talking about. So what I'm saying is it sounds like you've been gossiping behind the scenes

[Ben]

to even know that because, like, no

[Phaedra]

one saw this coming until it hit the Internet.

[Ben]

And Kelly is, you know, Kelly's just muttering on the side. And K. Michelle's like, like, it's.

[Phaedra]

It's a lot of people that say that, that. That are being said that. That are saying, okay, it's a whole. That. That was a whole shade room thing, the layout that they did.

[Ben]

So Drew's like, but you.

[Phaedra]

For. For you to say that, that. That just told me everything I needed to know.

[Ben]

I'm like, do you guys even know what you're arguing about anymore? It's that black is a scammer.

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah, I literally don't because they're arguing. They seem to be arguing about two different things, basically. And then we see another headline that says, black tatted. Facing lawsuits from Lala, Milan and B. Marie. He played me. Dun dun, dun. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a crappin's commercial.

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[Andy Cohen]

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[Andy Cohen]

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[Ben]

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[Andy Cohen]

FX's the Shards now streaming on Hulu. So K Michelle's like, yeah, everyone's dming me about this man and what he does and the fact that he's on the run, he's living in Thailand. She's like, what? He's in Thailand? No, he's not in Thailand.

[Phaedra]

No, that's just the name of the

[Andy Cohen]

store he's in right now.

[Phaedra]

It's men's. Men's fashion store.

[Ben]

They sell ties.

[Andy Cohen]

This is the rich PayPal man. And I never heard of a man being rich on PayPal. What?

[Ben]

I don't know. I don't know.

[Andy Cohen]

I.

[Ben]

Some k. Michelle says things that I don't always understand, but I. I feel like I appreciate the sentiment behind them and what she's trying for enough that they always make me laugh. I was like, I don't get it, but I'm laughing. Yeah.

[Andy Cohen]

And Drew's like, you better be cautious for your own karma not to regurgitate laws. But honestly, when you put that on me, it was tried to put on me. I knew black and I did not need to have that put upon me. She like, I didn't though. She yeah, you did, Drew. But you have no evidence because that never happened because you always do stuff off camera. Drew. It's Always off camera. Okay. And we come on this show, and then when we come up on this show, and then Drew pulls out a clacker, you know, like a scene clacker from a movie, and just pulls it out from behind her chair and starts clacking it and going, cut, cut. Oh, gosh. Why do I love it?

[Ben]

Andy loves it. Andy.

[Andy Cohen]

I feel like if anybody else did this, I would be screaming at the tv. But with Drew, I'm like, yes. Prop.

[Ben]

Yeah, it was good. Andy loved it. He loved it as a prop. He's like, that.

[Phaedra]

Round of applause for Drew. That was a great use of a prop. Amazing.

[Ben]

So, yeah, I came.

[Phaedra]

Michelle's like, okay, this is your moment. Get it, girl. This is your mom. And get your girl. Get your mama, girl.

[Ben]

So then Portia's like, yeah, that properly landed. They're all. They're all, like, complimenting her on her prop work.

[Phaedra]

That was a really good one. I say this as someone who was part of a scene whose prop changed the history of props on reunions.

[Andy Cohen]

Round of applause for Drew, everybody. That was pretty fun. So let's see. So Shamiya's like, can I ask a question? Did you invest in Black's business as well? And did he take money from you? It's like, absolutely not. That's another lie. Everybody knows I'm broke. I mean, the blog. So to carry on narratives that are written in this sisterhood. We are sisters in a sisterhood, and we need to stop.

[Ben]

Kelly's like, yeah, says the person who took a camera to my closed store and tried to put it on blast. Then we see the video of Drew

[Phaedra]

being like, look at Kelly's dorm. Nana's Waffles is closed.

[Andy Cohen]

So to. In. In. In Drew's defense, she's saying, you guys are regurgitating things from the blog. And that wasn't an example of Drew regurgitating a blog. She was making content. She actually showed up to the restaurant herself. That was more like investigative journalism. So it's not the same thing.

[Ben]

Yeah. And she basically is the Leslie Stahl of Atlanta.

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah. S T A L L.

[Ben]

She just stalled out.

[Andy Cohen]

So anyway, all the time, like, what? I don't even know what you're talking about.

[Ben]

She's a regular Koki Roberts RIP Anyway, where were we? So Drew getting mad at Kelly about Kelly getting mad at Drew for doing that. And Drew's like, but you came from my music first.

[Phaedra]

And, like, you can't be mad when you get smoke and then don't get. And then, like, don't be mad if

[Ben]

I play a better game than you.

[Phaedra]

Kelly's like, I'm not mad about it. Let me tell you. I'm like, very successful. Look at me. Would a non successful person have a string of suspended roles going over their head, like the gateway to the Midwest? I don't think so.

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah. And Kelly's like, I've even put your song in some of my videos online, so I don't know what you're talking about. Like, yeah, Dulu.

[Ben]

Okay.

[Andy Cohen]

And Drew says, that's flip floppy. Okay. Sha Kelly. Sha Kelly. Because you're basically a couple shimmy. And Kelly.

[Ben]

And Kelly's like, why is she Kelly and Angela. Angela goes, I have to agree. Which is so funny that Angela's like, judge. Angela has weighed in. I side with Drew. So Kelly is like, okay, P. Drew,

[Phaedra]

ski with the P Willie special.

[Ben]

Stop it.

[Phaedra]

Okay, Drew. Drew, Drew Bucksy. Cause you drink Starbucks. See, you can have a couple name too.

[Ben]

See, it works both ways. Kelly just tries.

[Andy Cohen]

You gotta hand it to Kelly for just trying so hard all the time and just putting so much energy into it and really just failing. But you know, she's giving it her all. That's for sure.

[Ben]

She does.

[Andy Cohen]

So Andy is like, arizona from Arizona says, Drew, you really shared. You recently shared you had a procedure done. And the fans are saying that you look like one of your fellow housewives. Portia. Yeah. And Porsche, what do you say? And Kelly's like, that's the P special. That's what I'm talking about. Okay, Kelly, it was hilarious.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Phaedra]

Okay.

[Ben]

And Porsche is like, I will say this.

[Phaedra]

Drew has always wanted to get something done to herself, and everybody in Atlanta does something to this stuff. And Kim Michelle's like, yeah, I've had a lot of falls, baby. Me too. Yeah.

[Ben]

And everyone, everyone's talking about how they want to have a new ass, etc,

[Phaedra]

and she's like, like, you know, like, you know, she. She. You know, it's. She's. She has a natural pancake over there.

[Ben]

So they're all going on. They're talking back and forth about like the butt and. But they're also being left.

[Phaedra]

But you look good.

[Ben]

You look really good. You look good. You look good. And Drew's like, you know, I shared my journey to inspire women, and it's okay. I don't think we should body shame anyone or make them feel bad for doing it, which is. Then Kay is like, yeah, but you just sat there and mentioned the leaky booty. Like you made a direct reference to me.

[Andy Cohen]

You just thought you just opened talking about a leaky booty. Now what? It's like, okay, but, you know, nobody blamed me for putting it out there first. I mean, it won't land. I'm just letting you guys know. Don't body shame women. And Portia's like, yeah, everybody has a body. It's my favorite, Portia. So Andy asks if drop it with Drew's gonna come back. And Portia's like, it's called maintain with Drew.

[Ben]

Rolls right off the tongue.

[Phaedra]

All right, well, Joan from Actress who was in Face Off, Alan says, angela, you had a lot to say about

[Ben]

Shamia's body this season.

[Phaedra]

Are you jealous of her body? Wow. We are still talking about bodies on.

[Ben]

On this show. So Angela's like, first of all, I've always paid Shamia compliments before. I will be jealous of anybody. There's a long list before I'll make it to Shamia.

[Andy Cohen]

Shamiya's like, okay, well, I fill your mind. That's for sure. I stay on your mind. So I guess I'd just love to know why. I mean, are you calling her bbl, Drew now? Because you called me bbl, Shamia. And Angela's like, I said the bitch wanted us to see her bbl. I mean, I didn't say bbl, Shamia. Don't put words in my mouth. You do that a lot. You do that a lot.

[Ben]

Like, same difference, girl. No, I said no, the one that's probably a little worse, you know, actually, because that thing's a little bit harder. She goes, it does.

[Phaedra]

It landed.

[Ben]

She goes, I don't have a bbl. I definitely got lipo on my waist, but not a bbl.

[Andy Cohen]

Okay, so. Liar. Okay, so now you guys, okay, it's been. It's been half the episode. Let's move away from plastic surgery. Just kidding. So now there's another question about Kelly posting pre surgery pictures of Drew online. And Kelly's like, well, I don't even follow Drew. But, you know, it came across my timeline, and I just. It was the before and after. So I just, you know, whatever. Shout out to the doctor. I mean, whoever did the work did an absolutely amazing job. You look great. Now, Drew.

[Ben]

And Porsche is like, why are we

[Phaedra]

shaming a natural body?

[Ben]

And Drew's like, yeah, what are we doing? And K. Michelle's like, well, there's a

[Phaedra]

lot of things that have been shined up here.

[Ben]

And Kelly is like, well, we're all. We've all been shamed for something. And Portia's like, well, she had a baby, so of course she may have a little bit of a. Of a pooch, you know? So then Kelly. Kelly's like, I had babies. I had four of them. So shout out to Lindsay Hubbard, because mom card is about to get played a few times by Kelly. And, you know, she's really trying to play that mom card, and no one really cares. It's hilarious because she keeps on saying, I've pushed out four babies.

[Phaedra]

Four babies.

[Ben]

And they all look at her like, we don't care. We all have babies too.

[Phaedra]

Yeah.

[Andy Cohen]

And she's like, well, I never got my body done, though. The only thing I got done was my boobs. And Drew says, you should get them undone. And so they start laughing. But you guys are literally fighting about body shaming.

[Ben]

I know Drew, who just said, we

[Phaedra]

shouldn't be body shaming anyone.

[Ben]

And now she's like, get your bibs undone because they're botched. So then. But Kelly's like, well, I was breastfeeding four children.

[Phaedra]

Four children.

[Ben]

Just want to get that in there. That she's still trying to make that card work.

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah. And she goes, but this was your second surgery, Drew. Okay, so it's not surgery shaming. It's, like, the number of surgeries. Listen, the first one's usually not the last for any of us. Okay? So cut the crap. Also, your housewives. This is. It's just so natural to get your face done. I don't know why we're still fighting about this halfway through the show. So then. Okay, Globe from Trotters say the newbies in the group. What was your favorite moment of the season? And Pinky laughs, and she says, my favorite was getting told off by Angela. And so we see that again, and they're all crack up that she's got a good sense of humor about it.

[Ben]

It.

[Andy Cohen]

And then we go to Porsche's fake dating storyline.

[Ben]

Yes. Here we go. So it's between Mike and Sway, and Porsche was saying, you know, she didn't realize the impact of. Of. Of, like, this whole thing. And, you know, she talks about Sway, and I. I genuinely think that, like, Portia seems happier than we've ever seen her before. It does seem like a difference in, like, her vibe. I think this is. I think Portia has reached, like, her natural state. I think that maybe, like, she was. She was barking up the wrong trees, and she just seems really, really happy. And she explains how what's nice is that, like, with men, men are competitive, and they don't want to be outshone. So, like, she. Porsche's, like, naturally more Submissive in a relationship. But then, like, she can't be like her for full portiadom because the men feel insecure, but with sway. Like, the gender roles aren't there like that. And it's like she can just be her true self, which I think is wonderful. And I love this for her.

[Andy Cohen]

And even Ms. Diane approves and said she would approve of a marriage.

[Ben]

So I loved, actually when she said, I'm sorry, but I loved when she said something along the lines of, like, I just. You know what I feel like is that I'm about to just ascend. I was like, that is. That's profound. I thought that was, like, a really lovely thing to say. Like, you're in a relationship where you're so happy. Like, I feel like I'm just. I'm going to ascend. That was great,

[Andy Cohen]

Portia. Profound profundity. It just comes. That's, like, the common thing that everybody says about Portia. That was profound. It is nice, though, to see her happy. So then Andy is like, jamia, what do you think of this? And she's like, well, I'm very happy for Portia. I want Portia to be loved and find love. And there's something to be said for even having family support and, you know, happy pride. Portia, happy. Portia's like, whatever. Just ignores her.

[Phaedra]

Oh, okay, cool. Well, garlic from knots says, Drew, you told Portia she's living your life. Was that your way of admitting that you were dating a woman?

[Ben]

The question that's on all of America's mind.

[Andy Cohen]

And Kelly's like, oh, she does everything. She does. And she says, you know, going through what I'm going through. There are things that I see in some ladies, which I share with Kelly, too. Like, I'm inspired to see how they're moving on. And that's what I meant. And Portia's like, yeah, that's all she meant. And Kelly says she wants to be swayed to the other side.

[Ben]

It's just.

[Phaedra]

That's.

[Ben]

That's the message. The pearls. It's too much. So Andy is like.

[Phaedra]

He's like, well, that divorce is vitalized. How are you and Ralph getting along?

[Ben]

Andrew's saying, well, you know, it's all very fresh. And, like, I can say, like, at that point, you just get tired of fighting. Like, we're just, like. We're just, like, really trying to focus on our kids right now.

[Phaedra]

It's like, okay. And I read that Ralph as the primary custody during the school year.

[Ben]

Do you want to cry right now? I will Keep asking you questions until you cry.

[Andy Cohen]

And she's like, well, we are in a lawsuit, so I cannot discuss that. And they're like, phaedra. And Phaedra's like the great explainer today. Every time something comes up, Phaedra's like, well, here's how it works. Whoever the primary custodial parent is, is due child support. Thank you for. Thank you for joining Phaedra. Phaedra Law with Phaedra. And Por is like, yeah, like mine, I'm primary, you know, 265 days a year. THEY LAUGH Support your classic line.

[Phaedra]

Throw back.

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah. So Tris. Tris from Kit says, Ralph posted about being happy about the divorce settlement. Porsche, what do you think of Ralph thanking Dennis for helping find his lawyer, Precious? And we see a shady text saying at Dennis, thank you for connecting me with Precious. She did everything you said she would. Just like she helped you get joint physical custody.

[Ben]

Yeah. And Portia, Prick. Yeah, it's a. It's. That is a prick move. Especially for a guy who is, like, trying to fashion himself as. As an expert in being a step parent and you're writing these nasty things. And Portia was like, well, tell him

[Phaedra]

he can kiss my ass. Because he actually tried to make it seem like Dennis had to fight me for Polar's time. And I thought that was nast as

[Ben]

hell, which is true. Like, don't drag that into your. Like, no, you don't do that. And so.

[Phaedra]

All right, well, we from Finns says, Kelly, you refer to Porsche's home as Simon's house. Are you jealous that she received a better divorce settlement than you? And I'd also like to add,

[Andy Cohen]

Kelly says, I would never be jealous. And Porch is like, you, you shouldn't worry about Simon's house when you're living in Jia's house. She goes, now, wait a minute, hold up, Honey Boo Boo. And she's like, why are you worried about Simon's house? And she's like, hold up, Honey Boo Boo. Let's be very clear. I stayed in Shamia's house for two weeks until my home was ready. She goes, yeah, but you were out of your house. And that's the point. She's like, I chose to be out of my house. It's like, no, no.

[Ben]

Also, please don't steal Karen Huger's tagline.

[Phaedra]

Let me be very clear.

[Ben]

I feel like she's the one who gets to say that. That.

[K. Michelle]

That's.

[Ben]

I mean, I know it's, like, not necessarily associated with her. Like, it's not officially her line. And everyone can say that, but honestly, I think if you're on Bravo, that's for Karen to say.

[Phaedra]

Let me be very clear about this, Giselle.

[Ben]

So Kelly is like, yeah, I was only there for two weeks, so let's not get wild over this.

[Andy Cohen]

And was like, well, you call it Simon's house, but I've been paying for it and maintaining it. And she goes, well, I'm glad you're paying Simon's bills. And she's like, you shouldn't be discrediting women while you're looking for support. Wait, you just were making fun of her for losing her house.

[Ben]

That's true. And. And then, but then Kelly's like, is your name on the deed? Is your name on the deed? And Portia's like, what are you talking about? She like, is your name on the deed? Is your name.

[Phaedra]

I pay the bills.

[Ben]

It is your name on the deed.

[Phaedra]

I pay the bills.

[Ben]

So basically, clearly, Porsche does not. Porsha does not own this house. But who cares? It's still her house.

[Andy Cohen]

As far as she does now, I don't care. She just. Yeah, she does now. She won it in court battle. And he's like, okay, stop fighting, please. And Kelly's like, I live in my house. Don't worry about me. Why don't you sell a house? And Angela's like, wait a minute. I live in a 2 million plus house. What about, why are you coming for me? She's like, oh, just sell a house there, because there was just a foreclosure. And she's like, oh, I don't have to sell a house that I'm still good. Portia's like, you literally got kicked out of your townhouse, Kelly.

[Ben]

What?

[K. Michelle]

You do.

[Andy Cohen]

Kelly does have big stones.

[Ben]

She does. So then eventually, Angela just starts saying,

[Phaedra]

I, I didn't mar. I didn't borrow money from Gary.

[Ben]

You did, baby. And, and he's like, who's Gary? Kelly's like, yeah, who's Gary?

[Phaedra]

Gary's suing you, babe. Bam, baby.

[Ben]

So Andy's just like, whatever.

[Phaedra]

It's like, what, baby? You got $20,000? 20,000 lawsuit. She goes, gary's suing you.

[Ben]

And finally, Andy gets the little. The little clapper board. And he's like,

[Phaedra]

really great prop. Even I'm using it. Great job, Drew. Another round of applause for Drew and her prop work, everyone.

[Andy Cohen]

I love that Angela's always got some new man to be bringing into some mess. Like, you're being sued by Gary, baby.

[Ben]

She does. I, I, she's really good at Just this George Gary Junebug. She's just gonna pull out a name. You never know what's going to be.

[K. Michelle]

Be.

[Andy Cohen]

It is Gary L. Toliver, who filed a Fulton county lawsuit in 2026 claiming Kelly owes over 63k on unpaid personal and business loans intended for her restaurant, Nana's Chicken and Waffles.

[Phaedra]

Well, Porsche made things official with Sway. But was anyone else here shocked when Portia made this announcement?

[Ben]

And K. Michelle was shocked. Talked, you know, and she's like.

[Phaedra]

Because I was trying to push her, you know, to, like, Mike, because, like, Portia's gonna have, like, a new baby. And, like, she. She likes you. And, like, you know, she had to pull me up to the side and say, like, hey, I don't like it. Like, that guy.

[Ben]

And he was like, yeah, I mean,

[Phaedra]

he did say that he loved you. Was that the first time you had heard that?

[Ben]

And Boris is like, yeah, because he said that he had told his dad about me and, like, that. That he, like, has been falling in love with me for a long time. And that's when I was like, okay, I need to make a decision. I'm like. But it was all mance. Like, I don't understand. Like, we are still trying to make us believe that you guys. You guys actually hung out outside the camera time that he was in love with you. Because I don't believe it.

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah, well, you know, Porsche's gonna storyline, that's for sure. Yeah, Mike got upset because she announced on Instagram and, you know, that was the wrong way to do it. And now the question is to Phaedra for saying in her confessional that Portia wouldn't be dating a broke person or, like, she'll date someone as long as they have money in the bank. And Phaedra's like, well, I don't believe Portia is going to date a broke person, because who would but Portia and Sway, I love their relationship. And we've gone on double dates, and Andy says, who is the fourth? And Kelly's like, was it a female or a male? Who cares? Like, this couch being like, oh, my God, we're so proud of Portia. This is amazing. Portia's out of the closet and still trying to diss each other constantly with. With other women.

[Ben]

Well, she also said you two dated the same guy at one point.

[Phaedra]

Who was that?

[Ben]

And basically, it was Mike. Phaedra and Porsche both dated Mike at different times. And they were. Were gonna not bring it up.

[Andy Cohen]

And.

[Ben]

But, you know, it. It came out. And Andy, it's so funny.

[Phaedra]

Andy goes, okay, well, Fedra, I mean,

[Ben]

that would have been interesting to hear during the season. He's like, hey, you're on this show. You're supposed to be sharing stuff. So that way you could have had a storyline this season instead of just, you know, holding a Reiki class and blowing on a recorder. Yeah.

[Andy Cohen]

So then K. Michelle brings it around to herself. She's like, oh, yeah, she's just gonna keep a little nugget in her pocket, you know, that's how I feel. I feel like if we're gonna be friends, you should tell me. Portia's like, but she did tell me. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying because, like, when it came to me and you, Portia, I feel like we're coming into a friend group and we're being friends and, you know, this man is here, Nash. We find out that this is the man that K. Michelle has been upset that Portia also dated. Dated one time. And she's like, yeah, tell. You know, he's telling me that y' all are dating. And then I felt like that put a barrier in that friendship and, you know, I wanted that friendship to grow. And she's like, hey, Michelle, you're a married woman. Why would I tell you about somebody that I dated in the past? Like, I don't even talk to that guy anymore.

[Ben]

Yeah, but gay Michelle's like, whipped herself into a frenzy again.

[Phaedra]

And she's like, I hear you say that you're not dating him. So, like, that's. I get what you're, what you're saying everything. And like, like, you just, like, I don't know, like, that's why I should have, like, learned from the season. Cuz I don't listen to no Megan about what's going on. I mean, if I was bringing you into something and I know what some of the room that you had encounter with, I would have said, hey, you know what? You, like, I. I know you don't know what's going on, but this is a messy bit. You should know about this. Whatever.

[Ben]

Just like, I don't, like, why would I bring this up? I'm not. There's no reason for me to bring this up with you.

[Phaedra]

Like, well, there's probably about. This is just a lot like, you should tell me all this.

[Ben]

Came Michelle whipping herself into a frenzy again.

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah. And it's. It's even weirder because later in the episode they're like, where did you hear that from K. Michelle. It's like, Nash, okay, so you're still talking to Nash, but you're mad that Portia dated her. Whatever. So she's like, and you're trying to get me, and now you're dealing with some man. And she's like, stop saying dealing with a man. What are you talking about? She's like, well, there's probably about four of them, so let me just pick which one I'm talking about. And Portia's like, oh, yeah, there's. There's four. There's four more K. Michelles than that. Which one am I dealing with right now?

[Phaedra]

She goes, let me just add.

[Ben]

So, you know, Porsche is like, you know. And also, like, you know, you go online and you say, you know, you say me in an interview. She basically, like, you know, we do a scene and everything's fine. And then you talk about me behind my back and came.

[Phaedra]

And she goes, you're hurt by that?

[Ben]

She goes, well, I don't give a. About it, because.

[Phaedra]

Okay, well, then let it go. Just.

[Ben]

Nope. What I'm saying is it's like. Like, oh, like, I still. I'm gonna keep my eye on her. And I was like, okay, whatever, you know? So she's just like, I don't understand why you do this. You're like, always, oh, I never meant to insult you. I never meant to hurt you. I would never. You, like, use your miscarriage against you. And you said, like, you know, I. I said that, and you got upset at me, basically date.

[Andy Cohen]

She's like, yeah. You say, well, thank you for telling me that. And then you go right back online again, like, like I said, you didn't almost die. It's like, who am I dealing with? Is it the one that forgives or the one that doesn't forgive? And she's like, you can't even pay attention to the. What you're being fed in that interview. I did not go in on you, okay? Now, you know, you're pretending that I'm sitting there bashing you. That's what he did. That's what he did. Nash did that. He led you right into that. Wait, is she saying Nash here? Here, or the interview, Basically, they're sort

[Ben]

of, like, relitigating all this stuff. And at one point, k. Michelle sort of, I think, gets to. I think, the thing that annoyed her, which is that when Portia said, oh, my God, was it a miscarriage? She was like, it wasn't. But what if it had been? Like, that would have been, like, really insensitive to say. She was like, you could have hurt me.

[Andy Cohen]

So they basically as for Portia to say that, that but you know, you guys got over this so long ago. It's like why? And Porsche is saying, but I'm someone who's been through that. And when I heard you say that was my first thought. Like I didn't know there was a leaky butt. What do you want from me?

[Ben]

And basically K. Michelle just is like you, your PR training is off. And Porsche is like, I don't do PR training. I'm just like being me. My like you know, whatever it's like. And she's like, I've lived. I have lived. So I don't need PR because I have lived.

[Phaedra]

Oh, you've lived a lot of lives. You've lived a lot of them.

[Ben]

She goes, and so is your body.

[Phaedra]

And she goes, oh, okay. She goes, okay, okay. Well you need to close your glory hole. That's what you need to do. Close that mouth and all the things that come up in it. Commercials. Here comes one right now.

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[Andy Cohen]

So who is just railing against body? Shaming is like, your body's had a lot of lives, so now they're fighting about glory holes. And now everybody's just confused because it's nonsensical. And so K. Michelle's like, well, the thing about it is we know about you, honey. And Portia's like, oh, please, you stopped getting to know me when you started getting to know Kelly Shamia and Pinky. So whatever. We all saw it happen. Bye.

[Ben]

Yeah. And. And he's like, okay, well, we're gonna

[Phaedra]

get to Kay's feelings of scored a betrayal and plotting in just a little bit. So now let's get to the K. Michelle segment where we're gonna talk about her feelings of scorn and betrayal and plotting.

[Ben]

I was like, okay, nice delay there. So then K. Michelle is saying how it's all been, like an experience, and she. She knew that coming on the show, there'd be a lot of arguing, but she didn't know that by the end of the season, she would, I think, feel some affection towards. Towards a bunch of them.

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah. So they're talking about her man wearing underwear under his scrubs, and she talks about cheating. She says, well, I would never break up with him because of cheating because I've caught him cheating and he's caught me doing some things and we've taken breaks, but I'm never going to leave him over cheating. And Andy says, so is that an open relationship? And it's like, no, because I don't need to know. All men cheat. Be.

[Ben]

So then's kind of like, wow, are

[Phaedra]

you a gay man?

[Ben]

So, yeah, he's like, yeah, you know,

[Phaedra]

he's like, I do think that gay men have a little bit more relaxed attitude about. About sex and everything.

[Ben]

And, you know, Porsche's like, wait, are

[Phaedra]

you saying that you're an open relationship? Also, he's like, what? I. Am I on the couch? What? That's crazy.

[Ben]

So anyway, K. Michelle's just like.

[Andy Cohen]

This is the interesting part in this is K. Michelle's kind of thinking behind, like, the open relationship is she's like, well, you know, the women up here, we do so much. Like, we go through all these surgeries. And so if we're gonna go all the. Through all these surgeries, there's repercussions. Like, there's healing time, and then there's all this stuff, and that guy's gonna be horny. So if I'm gonna be getting surgeries all the time, I have to, like, you know, except the fact that he's gonna go. Other women. I was like, what?

[Ben]

That's a beer? Line of logic.

[Andy Cohen]

That is such an odd line of logic, but, you know, whatever works for you.

[Ben]

And then Shamia is. And she's like, yeah, we do all this stuff to our bodies, and there's repercussions. And Shamiko's. Absolutely. And, I mean, we all have our disses. And when we go back and forth. And Drew, when you said that K. Michelle was leaking, I feel like that was hurtful. So should we are just jumping in and yummy. Turning it back into that whole thing. She's like, you were taking a shot at her. And Angela's like, shamia, you're the last

[Phaedra]

person you should talk about anybody.

[Ben]

She's like, I'm not talking to you. I'll get to you later. Because.

[Phaedra]

Well, I'm talking to you because you said it to Drew, and now I'm talking to you.

[Ben]

Well, I just feel like that. That's the thing in this friend group, the double standards. Like, how one person can say something is.

[Andy Cohen]

Angela was like, see, this is. This is like the cease and desist, you know, I can't say that. And she goes, oh, we'll talk about that. So Shamia's like. You see, it's like. Like how she just jumped in. Nobody's talking to her. Exactly, Shamia, nobody was talking to you. That's the whole point.

[Ben]

Exactly. You know, so that this. This goes on for a little bit. And K. Michelle says, it's been very surface with Drew. They have a very surface relationship. And Drew's like, I'm gonna be honest with you.

[Phaedra]

Like, when you were coming to the group, I didn't know you, Kimberly, and I was looking forward to getting to know you. So I put everything that I ever heard aside just to experience you. And from day one, you were coming for me for things that I still don't have answers about.

[Ben]

And that's kind of true. I will say, in Drew's defense, K. Michelle was. K. Michelle was punching down on Drew from the very beginning. Now, was it entertaining? To me, absolutely. But Drew does sort of have a point on this, I think.

[Andy Cohen]

Think, yeah. K. Michelle's really fun to watch, and I love her personality, and she makes me laugh a lot, but she's off a rocker most of the time. Like, her. Her fights and everything she picks with people are just looney tunes. Like, this whole thing, she going back and forth with Portia didn't even make any sense. And I love that Portia just kept going anyway. She's like, well, just because you're not going to make sense doesn't mean I'm going to give this up. So K. Michelle's like, stop being a victim, Drew. No one's bullying you. You are not the victim here. But of course, then K. Michelle is going to go on to complain about how she's always bullied and bullied by women and stuff like that. So now the story. You're Michelle, you're sorry, K. Michelle, your story about cosmetic surgery really resonated with fans. Okay, guys, we're. It's almost an entire hour about people's plastic surgeries.

[Ben]

Well, in this case, Andy is like, were you gonna. Why didn't you see this person? And she's like, yeah, I knew he was unlicensed, and I did it anyway. And they talk about how there's, like, a lot of, like, underground procedures.

[Andy Cohen]

I'm here to explain. It's me, Phaedra the explainer. A lot of people in Atlanta will go to unlicensed doctors to get their. Their fillers. And, you know, you see a celebrity do it, you think it's gonna work out, but then it doesn't. Thank you. This has been a Phaedra Law corner.

[Ben]

Yeah. And Kate Michelle basically is like, yeah, celebrities went to the sky and everything. And so, you know, and if a celebrity does, usually means it's okay to do yourself.

[Phaedra]

So.

[Ben]

And then Andy's like, well, okay, you

[Phaedra]

did have a rocky star. I mean, by the end of the season, you seem to trust the ladies more. What do you take away from this experience?

[Ben]

So she says that she's learning how to socialize with women, and, you know, like, you know, you have to put yourself in situations that show if you can really forgive and move forward and something like that that this show has done for her.

[Andy Cohen]

And Phaedra's like, yeah, it's me to explain things. K. Michelle has had bad experiences with women, which can lead to ptsd. And when you come into this type of platform, you can be triggered it. Thank you, Pedro Lockhorn. Pedro, just popping in every once in a while to explain what's going on was cracking me up. So he asked what she would have done differently, and she said, I would have allowed for things to take place instead of trying to get in front of them. And I would have not listened to what outsiders were telling me about, you know, what are you huffing and puffing about over there, Portia? And she's like, because your experiences were altered because you're listening to somebody else, you know, And I felt like everybody was against me for a few years and then there was someone new here. And I was like, this is great. I have, like a fresh start with somebody. It's like, well, you know, there was nothing. No, there was nothing. No one up here could do and move me any type of way.

[Ben]

Yeah. And so she has regrets that she came in pretty paranoid. And I think Portia was being. She was like, it's sad. It's just sad that this is your journey, you know, so everyone's like, yeah, that is sad.

[Phaedra]

Like, what? You know, if you knew people, wouldn't that be normal for them to be like, hey, what's up, Tian K. Michelle, by the way?

[Ben]

Because, you know, K. Michelle was upset that some people talk to bloggers and ask about bloggers and everything. And, or. Or that, like, Portia may have done that. So K. Michelle's like, yeah, I mean,

[Phaedra]

I didn't call people say, how is Portia behind the scenes? How's Phaedra? I didn't do that. Like, yeah, but like, can you tell us the people who were doing that? She's well, I got stuff from Nash and even. And there was also a hairdresser and I know this group about this friendship. And like, we just can't sit up here, act like people don't go pull things on each other.

[Ben]

I'm like, but if you're talking to Nash and you're talking to the hairdresser about what people said to you, that also means that you're talking to them about what other people are doing. I hate, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but, like, you can't complain about other people checking in on them when you yourself are. If you're receiving the information, you're complicated it in the, in the off camera chatter.

[Andy Cohen]

But also to go through this whole season of her being like, oh, my God, you were saying that you're going to plot and plan. You're going to do this whole thing about me. And then for it to turn out that someone that Portia asked Nash, like, oh, what's the tea with K. Michelle? Like, what's she like? That's not weird for if I know someone new is coming in, you ask. You ask people like, oh, have you heard of her?

[Phaedra]

Her.

[Andy Cohen]

What's her deal? So to find out that it's also innocent and it's made her this nuts. The whole season is really weird. And so Andy's like, okay, you. The tw. The viewers see it as you having a problem and then running off on Twitter and, you know, starting on Twitter. And she's like, well, I'll definitely own that. I've had more experiences off camera than on camera, but for over 10 years, any thoughts of random situations within me, me, I've. I've tweeted them. Good, bad, you know, there's no change. But I guess instead of tweeting, I should have just sat there, you know?

[Ben]

Yeah. And Andy's like, well, you seem really sensitive. I mean, why did you take Portia's miscarriage comment to shading her? And I guess this is where she was like, you know what. What would have happened if I did have a miscarriage? It would have been terrible. And Portia's like, yeah, but, like, I have gone through that myself. Okay? This is a safe space. Like, it was a. It was. It was safe for you do. And she's like, well, this is my

[Phaedra]

first time being with Phaedra's Indian. And, like, the first thing that comes out of the random people on the other side of the wall is like, do you have a miscarriage?

[Ben]

And Portia's like, but I represent the March of Dimes. My daughter's a rainbow baby. You know, like, this is. I. But. But she's like, I apologize. I really, really apologize. I never meant it to be that way. And K. Michelle accepts it, and she goes, you know, and in that moment, you know, when I'm speaking about it, I was speaking about what it was like, how I felt in that moment. And then they're like, oh, so when you're tweeting, you're just tweeting as if you're back in that moment. You're not. Not responding in present day. She's like, yeah, I just pretend I'm back in that moment when I tweet. Everyone's like, oh, we didn't realize it

[Andy Cohen]

was like, oh, so you're Saying you were tweeting like you were in the confessionals. And he's like, yeah. Can I give you some advice? Don't do that. Don't do that.

[Ben]

Everyone was confused.

[Andy Cohen]

It is kind of normal, though, when the show's airing, everybody kind of relitigates on Twitter whatever they're pissed off about about. It's just that hers go off the rails, you know? You're like, what are you even talking about? So Andy brings up another question. Saul from Teen says, k. Michelle, do you ever feel like you rushed into making friends with Shamia, Kelly and Pinky and didn't give the other ladies a chance? And she goes, well, golly.

[Ben]

So she's like, well, I mean, I

[Phaedra]

feel like when I. I had to go to the hospital, she was the first one to show up. I mean, I. I don't know. That FA was on her way away,

[Ben]

and Porsche's like, well, I should have put the pedal onto the metal then. Sorry. So she's like, no, I still would

[Phaedra]

have loved them for who they are. And I always try to take up for someone that I feel like, you know, they're bullied because, you know, she feels teamed up on.

[Andy Cohen]

And Angela's like, against what? Well, she feels like things are going on. I'm just trying to stand as a real friend, you know? And Shimia says, I never asked you to. She's. Well, she didn't ask me anything. That she's my character. So. Drew Sedora has a question for Shamia. Drew wants to know, what exactly was your intention in telling K. Michelle the women didn't want to be friends with her? Do you realize that kind of comment can influence someone's perception before they've even had a chance to meet the grill? And to me, it's like, okay, yes. But the women K. Is speaking about are not part of the friend group. So see, what. So why were you guys making it sound like it was okay? Well, in the group.

[Ben]

Okay, so we got an. A very helpful email from someone today who is like, let me help you guys with some context about K. Michelle and, like, her whole situation with love and hip hop, which is that she was basically antagonized by Rashida, who's on love and hip hop, and who was on to the beginning. She was like, what? One of the OGs of love and hip hop. And they. They feuded for a long time. And when K. Michelle said that she was in an abusive relationship, that Rashida not only didn't believe K. Michelle, she took the. The boyfriend's Side and. And went out of her way to make K. Michelle look like she was lying.

[Phaedra]

And.

[Ben]

But K. Michelle was proven to be like what she was saying was not a lie whatsoever. But Rashida never apologized and still double down. And Rashida is friends with. Is friends with Candy. And that's causes some complications here. And so, and so the women that K. And Shamia are referring to at the end of tonight's reunion episode, this is the quote from the quote from the email. The women that K. And Shamir refer to at the end of tonight's reunion episode is. That's Rashida here. And so that's, that's. That's what informs all this. And thank you for. Thank you for anticipating that we'd be getting to this part of the reunion. Be like, but what. Thank you for filling in the gaps.

[Andy Cohen]

Well, I understood what she was saying. She. Because Shamia says, you know, I wasn't talking about these ladies. I was talking about the other group of ladies that K. Michelle felt traumatized with all that time ago. And Candy hangs out with them. And I was going to go hang out with Candy. And I'm also, also friends with those ladies. So that's why I was saying none of that group wants me to be friends with you. But why would the show make it sound like this was all, you know, Kelly or whoever, whoever on this cast making it say it. It just seems like kind of pulling wool over our eyes and, you know.

[Ben]

Yeah. So Andy, this.

[Andy Cohen]

It's a whole group of other people.

[Ben]

It's a profound question. So Andy is like, let me ask you this.

[Phaedra]

In a recent interview, you said that there were off camera events that happened between you and K. Michelle. What happened?

[Ben]

And Shamir's like, I'll let K Speak on it. So K Is like, well, you're the

[Phaedra]

one who ran and told.

[Ben]

She's like, no, you're the one who ran and told.

[Phaedra]

She said, I didn't.

[Ben]

No, you did.

[Phaedra]

I didn't. You did. Okay. Well, I feel like this is about

[Ben]

to open a huge can of worms.

[Phaedra]

So we're gonna take a quick break And Cynthia Bailey, Ms. Cheekbones will be here when we get back. Cynthia Bailey.

[Ben]

To be continued. So Cynthia Bailey is our cliffhanger. What is Cynthia gonna say about this can of worms? Tbc.

[Andy Cohen]

All right, everybody, thanks so much for being here with us. We will talk to you next time. Have a good one.

[Phaedra]

Bye. Bye.

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