Special Bonus #620: Daisy Kelliher and Marc MacNamara from Yacht Mess Pod

Summary

Podcast Summary: Watch What Crappens – Special Bonus #620

Guests: Daisy Kelliher & Marc MacNamara (Yacht Mess Pod)
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Date: April 8, 2026

Overview

In this lively and candid special bonus episode, Ben and Ronnie welcome Daisy Kelliher and Marc MacNamara from the Yacht Mess podcast—a duo born from the Below Deck universe. Together, they dive into behind-the-scenes stories from Below Deck, discuss realities of working on and appearing in yachting TV, the dynamics of reality television, audience reactions, and the future of yachting on-screen. Along the way, the conversation veers into what they're watching on Bravo, the quirks of reality TV “fame,” and hilarious memories from their adventures at sea.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

The Origins of “Yacht Mess Pod”

• How Daisy & Marc Met

  • Marc was a guest on Below Deck: Sailing Yacht Season 5 (the infamous drag charter).
  • Their pairing as podcast co-hosts was partly serendipitous and started with a “test episode.”
  • Daisy: “It turns out we're like the same person.” (06:31)

• Podcasting From Unique Locations

  • Daisy calls in from London while babysitting a friend’s child—chaos reminiscent of yachting days.
  • Daisy: “…my experience in yachting makes you a very good babysitter…I’ve trained my brain at this stage.” (03:23)

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Behind-the-Scenes of Below Deck

• Guest Experience & Preference Sheets

  • Marc describes being thrown into charter with minimal prep due to being incommunicado on safari.
  • Hilarious food mishap: requested “biscuits and gravy"—chef made it with clam juice, making him physically ill.
    • Mark: “He made me throw up. So it wasn’t just being dramatic. It was actually gross.” (09:22)
  • Preference Sheets are treated with serious attention and are “very specific.” (35:50)
  • Daisy confirms some “theme nights” are driven by TV needs, but elaborate tablescapes are real.
    • Daisy: “Most boats you’ll do a tablescape…like sand and shells…it’s really not my thing at all.” (34:16)

• Casting and Crew Dynamics

  • Daisy confirms “no one tells you to hook up for TV”—producers may encourage leaning into real storylines, but romance is never scripted.
    • Daisy: “I have never been asked to do anything from production ever that I haven’t been a willing participant in...these bad decisions are all by our own doing.” (15:04)
  • Crew and guest groupings can feel random because guests often struggle to gather enough people for set dates, so “friend of a friend” wildcards often join. (44:51)

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The Realities of Filming a Reality Show

• Managing Authority and Respect as Chief Stew

  • Daisy explains her self-awareness about leading assertively—being “queen of the boat” is a learned skill.
    • Daisy: “It actually doesn’t come supernatural to me…sometimes people mistake kindness for weakness…finding that balance of trying to be friends…but also trying to gain their respect.” (12:15)
  • Experience on family boats (with children!) helped develop her organization and authority.

• Navigating Audience Reactions

  • Daisy discusses the intensity and sometimes harsh backlash from fans post-season—learning to balance “being herself” and disengaging from online hate.
    • Daisy: “It was hard to not react…There were really difficult times…so many people have such a strong opinion about me and my relationship…But I’m really glad I went through it because I think it’s made me so much stronger.” (46:19)

• On Production and Filming Constraints

  • Production keeps a low profile—only sound/camera crew present most of the time.
  • Daisy insists Below Deck is one of the least “produced/scripted” reality shows, with the fourth wall taken seriously. (32:20)

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Self-Producing and the Bravo Effect

• Do People ‘Self-Produce’?

  • Both guests and junior crew sometimes “self-produce” to get screen time, especially through drama or hook-ups.
  • Marc: Primary guests sometimes behave like Real Housewives for camera, but the more authentic approach is always encouraged by producers.
    • Marc: “I said, listen…we’re here to have fun…just be yourself. I’m not going to cause some fight just to get some camera time…” (37:23)
  • Below Deck still attracts some in the yachting industry, “low key” aspiring for a reality TV launch.

• Impact on Future Careers

  • Daisy advises those considering going on Below Deck to be ready to leave yachting—stigma and unexpected fame complicate a return.
    • Daisy: “Focus on your career in yachts and when you’re ready to leave…then take the opportunity.” (58:49)

• Audience Trauma & Junior Crew

  • Many one-season junior cast struggle with post-show backlash and lack of chances to “redefine their story.” Daisy has informally coached some through it.
    • Daisy: “A lot of people don’t go get other jobs…wait all year for a callback, and then they don’t get it…and haven’t worked all year.” (57:34)

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Inside Yachting and Bravo World

• Below Deck Sailing Yacht: On Pause, Not Gone

  • The future of the Sailing Yacht edition is unclear—boat logistics and ratings factor in.
  • The actual boat (Parsifal) exists, recently renovated after its many on-screen mishaps.
    • Mark: “The boat just had a total rehaul…refurbished all of it…fixed the engine.” (30:41)

• Real Housewives of Salt Lake City as Charter Guests

  • Daisy describes them as intense but “genuinely nice women” who knew how to drive story.
    • Daisy: “They were actually really lovely…They just kept us busy…asking us for water, margaritas, Coke Zero, hair dryers…” (22:06)

• Ongoing Crew Drama: The Ellie Situation

  • Daisy shares ongoing tension with Ellie, a crew member who isolates herself and “pokes the bear,” only to accuse Daisy of attacks when she responds. (23:00–25:25)

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What Are They Watching?

Bravo TV Favorites

• Real Housewives of Rhode Island: Chef’s kiss for its offbeat cast and standout moments.
  • Mark: “The way that Alicia just casually mentions that she ran over a woman is what I need in a housewife…” (60:39)
• Ladies of London: Universally praised for its quirky, “kooky” energy.
• The Valley: Largely rejected (“too many kids”). (61:28)
• Real Housewives of Beverly Hills: Split on teams Dorit/Kyle/Erika, but united in loving Kathy and Jennifer Tilly’s cameos.
• Summer House: Not all are watching, but some support for the NYC spin-off due to friendships.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Theme Nights and TV Embellishment:

  • Daisy: “On real boats...they wouldn't just come up to me and be like, hey, Daisy, today we want a rodeo theme. That would never happen.” (34:16)

• On Authority:

  • Daisy: “I can't allow people to kind of speak to me this way...When I found out Ben was my chef...I was so nervous...how am I gonna do that?” (13:10)

• On Audience Feedback and Online Hate:

  • Daisy: “I was myself, and now I’m so hated, and I’m getting death threats and, you know, this really negative online attention.” (47:33)

• On Romance and Production:

  • Daisy: “I personally call BS on that narrative. It’s never been my experience...These bad decisions are all by our own doing.” (16:03)

• On Self-Producing as a Guest:

  • Marc: “As soon as we got on that boat, [a guest] thought he was a real housewife. He started trying to create drama with Detox.” (37:23)

• On Yacht Mess Co-Hosting:

  • Marc: “We hadn’t really known each other...So it was kind of like a leap...We just got on really well.” (05:56)

• On Crew Turnover:

  • Daisy: “The reality is they probably won’t [bring you back]. It’s just the way the show works.” (58:20)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Meeting and Starting Yacht Mess Pod: 03:15–06:42
• Marc’s Guest Experience & Clam Juice Incident: 08:11–09:43
• How Preference Sheets & Theme Nights Work: 34:08–36:46
• On Producer Influence and Romance: 15:01–16:25
• Dealing with Audience Reaction & Online Hate: 45:30–48:44
• The Ellie Drama: 23:00–25:25
• Advice for Future Below Deck Crew: 57:34–58:49
• Thoughts on Beverly Hills, Ladies of London, etc.: 60:25–65:20

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Tone & Final Thoughts

The episode is irreverent, frank, and affectionate—full of shade, self-deprecating laughs, gossip, and real talk about the weird world of reality TV. Daisy and Marc are witty and open, offering rare transparency about the business, their own messiness, and the constant balancing act between entertainment and authenticity.

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Transcript

[Daisy Kelleher]

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[Daisy Kelleher]

Nah, I'm just kidding.

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[Daisy Kelleher]

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[Daisy Kelleher]

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[Kelsey]

Who cares what happens when there's so much that crappens?

[Ronnie]

Well, hello and welcome to watch what crappens. Today we have a very special episode. We're with Daisy kelleher and Mark McNamara from the yacht mess pod. Hello.

[Kelsey]

Welcome.

[Daisy Kelleher]

Hi.

[Kelsey]

Welcome, guys.

[Daisy Kelleher]

Excited to be here. Thanks for having us.

[Ronnie]

So good to see you guys. Oh, my God. Mark's like, oh, I'm just in my little bedroom. It's so sad because I'm hiding from my dogs. That's as big as any apartment I've ever seen as a background. That's gorgeous.

[Mark McNamara]

That's the one thing I have is my apartment. Everything else sucks.

[Daisy Kelleher]

Mark's apartment's pretty nice. It is. I got to stay there a few weeks ago and I was living my best New York life. I was like, oh, this is where I belong.

[Ronnie]

That is how to do it. Daisy, where are you right now?

[Daisy Kelleher]

I am in London, also in a bedroom. Not my bedroom. This is a much nicer apartment than mine. I am babysitting My friend's baby. So I'm fitting this in because she leaves.

[Ronnie]

Oh, my gosh, I need Andy in a camera.

[Kelsey]

I know. Is the. Is the baby would be okay while you pod podcast with us.

[Daisy Kelleher]

Mom is still here. It's okay.

[Ronnie]

Good. Baby's holding on to a fan blade, just swinging around in a circle.

[Mark McNamara]

We did a podcast Daisy had. She was babysitting and she was going door to door asking him if this was his home. So I am concerned.

[Daisy Kelleher]

This is the same baby. I know. We had a meeting and I was in a cab and I was like, cosmo, which is your house? He's like, this one, he's like. And I'm like, very stressful. Amy, our manager, and Mark was on the meeting and they were like, what is going on here? I was like, yeah, this is a lot.

[Kelsey]

It's very stressful. Do you find that actually your experience in yachting makes you a very good babysitter?

[Daisy Kelleher]

Yes, people have said that before. I'm pretty organized because, you know, in previous boats before Blow Deck as well, there were like, I worked in like family boats. And so it'd be like, we're going to the beach. And I'd be like, here's your sun cream, snacks, towels. But for the crew as well, not just for the guests. And I had a few people comment, being like, wow, you could honestly be a mom for 10 children. You were. You're just thinking about everything all the time. Like, yeah, I've trained my brain at this stage.

[Ronnie]

The table set gloriously. By the time the parents get home, the kids just putting, you know, gay penises everywhere. Gay penis puppets everywhere. Recorded. Where did I get this? So how is it. So how long have you guys been doing your podcast?

[Daisy Kelleher]

We've actually just hit the six month mark.

[Ronnie]

Wow. God, it feels like you've been around.

[Daisy Kelleher]

Yeah, I don't know if that's a good thing or.

[Ronnie]

It is.

[Kelsey]

No, in a great way. It feels like you're established. How did you guys meet, by the way?

[Daisy Kelleher]

Mark was actually a guest on Below Deck, so. Yeah, he was a guest on Below Deck. Sailing season five, the drag charter that almost got us fired kind of at the end there. And yeah, he was the one who kept saying anal.

[Mark McNamara]

I know. And you guys hated me because I listened to you guys. And you guys know that idiot. Listen, I said anal twice, which is two times too many.

[Daisy Kelleher]

I agree.

[Kelsey]

Okay, so I personally don't remember because it all blurs together, but I'm assuming we did something like this, right? Did we do something like that? The entire podcast.

[Daisy Kelleher]

I actually remember that episode of Watch what Happens really well as well, because it made me laugh so hard, because part of editing is you don't see all of it. So, like, Mark said, it was two times too many, but it really wasn't that far. But everyone, like, online and everyone was like, God, what's this guy's obsession with anal?

[Mark McNamara]

And I'm not obsessed with anal.

[Kelsey]

I'll do oral.

[Mark McNamara]

But, like, it just. I shouldn't have brought it up. It's true.

[Ronnie]

I just feel like every time there's. Every time there's gay charter guests, they're like, take the gayest shit they do and then just copy and paste it 30,000 times.

[Daisy Kelleher]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

Throughout the thing, you know, the guests

[Daisy Kelleher]

also don't help it. You know, there's always, like, a pride or, you know, a drag. But it's. They're super fun. And, yeah, me and Mark, you know, we got. And you are. You tell the rest of the story, because you came to me with the pot.

[Mark McNamara]

Well, someone came to me with the pod. And the original idea was for you and Asia, and then it ended up being me and you. And then the same person named it Yacht Mess. And then we kind of did a test because we hadn't. We didn't really know each other. We had known each other from the boat. We had met when Daisy came and did watch what Happens live, but we weren't. We didn't know much about each other other than surface friends. So it was kind of like a leap. Like, we're going to do a PODC test together. Let's test it. And we just got on really well, and it. We got to know each other through the process.

[Daisy Kelleher]

Yeah, it's been a fun kind of journey. And, yeah, getting to know each other. And it turns out we're like the same person. So we've got. Yeah, it's been a really fun.

[Ronnie]

You know, you're super into anal now, which is weird. Mark, what's it like when you're a guest on that show when, you know, you just come in for one charter and you. I would imagine you'd feel like, well, it's no big deal. You know, maybe I'll just kind of be in the background. And then you're kind of famous forever because they repeat over and over and over. Do you get recognized a lot from being on it?

[Mark McNamara]

Not necessarily from being on it, but I was. So when. When the call came through to ask me to be on it, they had originally asked Detox and Bianca del Rio another Drag queen. And because I'm really good friends with them, they said, oh, let's go with Mark. And then I was on the safari, like, away from any communication in South Africa, and they're like, hey, would you do it? And then I wasn't able to go on any. They do, like, a couple of zoom calls to tell you what's going to happen and everything. I didn't get to be a part of any of that. So I just showed up that day and kind of jumped into it, not really knowing what was, you know, like, I didn't even know how many days we were going to be there, to be honest. So I just got really lucky and just kind of lived it as if a vacation, which I think is better, because then I wasn't nervous about anything or nervous about what the process was. I was just able to go and be myself, talk about things I shouldn't have, and have a vacation. So it was. It was a lot of fun for me. It was no stress.

[Kelsey]

Did you have anything on your preference sheet that was violated?

[Mark McNamara]

Yes, Actually, the chef was not very old. I don't know if you remember chef. He was like, 21.

[Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

Oh, my gosh. Chlois. Yes. Little haircut just came rushing back. The.

[Daisy Kelleher]

The. They were kind of good guests because the. What the best guests on the show are. You know, you guys have seen a lot of seasons now, but what people really enjoy is when guests are. They're fun, but they also tell us when they're not happy. And they don't have to be rude about it, but, you know, it doesn't work in production when they're like, to each other, oh, my God, we hate the food. And then I come up and then I'm like, how was everything? And they're like, amazing. And then I go back and production, like, they fucking hated it. And I'm like, I don't know what to tell you. I'm like, you know, we can't move with the story then. And so they were. Those guys were great because they were fun, but also kind of said like, we don't like the food. And, you know, that puts pressure on, you know, whether it be me or the. The chef, whatever it is, that's, you know, the kind of best to push story. So, yeah, Mark was not happy. Well, I don't even think you were the worst. He was. Oh, Lola was not.

[Mark McNamara]

He did make me throw up because I asked for biscuits and gravy because I'm trash. And he made it with, like, clam juice, chowder. And I threw up immediately. But, like, I ripped my mic off, so I did, because I didn't want them to get that. And, like, he made me throw up. So it wasn't like, just being dramatic. It was actually gross.

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Kelsey]

Clam chowder gravy. I mean, I. I love clam chowder, but, like, that's just going a little bit too far.

[Mark McNamara]

Not expecting it. Like, you don't want an unexpected clam chowder.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Clam juice. Clam juice isn't just something you. You put in anything, especially biscuits and gravy. I mean, what the hell, Cloy?

[Kelsey]

I mean, I guess if you said it was, hey, this is a clam chowder with, like, served on a biscuit. It's really not that far from, like, scooping your bread into a bowl. But I think, again, if you're expecting, like, Southern gravy and then you're getting clam chowder, that's like, a shock to the system for sure.

[Ronnie]

Daisy, what is it like being on this below deck versus sailing? Because sailing, I mean, I felt like sailing is a rough start. Jesus, they really put you guys through it on that show. So are you in heaven being on this show? What are the differences?

[Kelsey]

Stability.

[Daisy Kelleher]

Physical stability, in a sense. I mean, you know, I like. I love sailing, and I love that extra element of the boat. Like, it really is the kind of tenth character. And all of those shots and, you know, of us tipping over and everything going flying. Like, I can even see the humor in that, despite being involved in it. But, yeah, it was. You know, this was just a different challenge. It was a much bigger boat that, you know, the stairs in this boat were really, like, quite tiring. So physically, it was. It was a loss. But really, I mean, the differences aren't really that much. Like, you're so consumed with everything going on. You know, there. There wasn't, like, moments this season where I was like, thank God we're not healing over. I didn't even have time to kind of think about that. But, yeah, it was. It was a nice change.

[Kelsey]

We have more space, looks like, in your quarters also. Like, on the sailing.

[Daisy Kelleher]

Yeah.

[Kelsey]

Because we're so cramped.

[Daisy Kelleher]

Oh, I loved my cabin. My cabin was absolutely huge. Maybe not my cabin made, but the cabin was great. Can't have it.

[Kelsey]

I mean, you know, one thing that I love about you, Daisy, on the show is that you're not afraid to lay down the law for the people, you know, working under you or around you. Like, you're kind of fearless in that way. You're always gonna be like, yeah, shut up. Like, you. Like, you go toe to toe with Ben, you went toe to toe with Gary and others in the. In past seasons. Where did you hone that skill? Have you just always had that ability, or did you have to kind of like, develop that by working up in the yachting industry or other work experiences?

[Daisy Kelleher]

Well, thank you. I appreciate that. I actually think it's something I do quite. What's the word? Like, I'm very conscious of it, so it. It actually doesn't come supernatural to me. Like, it's something that I'm very aware that that's my role. I think being, you know, not only achieve Stew, I think, you know, being on a. On a big show, like, below Death for several years, I think you have to constantly progress, and you. You need to work on your management skills. So that's something. Like this season, I went in, you know, feeling like I maybe I think sometimes I am too soft, and sometimes people mistake kindness for weakness and finding that balance of trying to be people's friends, which I love, but also trying to gain their respect. And I think season five of Blow Deck was, you know, obviously a tough one with Diana and Danny and that, you know, something that I really. Yeah, I know we're all glad that was over, but that was something I really carried with me going into this season. I was like, you know, I. I can't allow people to kind of speak to me this way. So it's actually something that I'm very aware of. So when, you know, when I found out Ben was my chef, like, I was. I was so nervous. I was like. I was feeling really strong, and I was like, I'm gonna be the queen of this boat, and no one's gonna put baby in the corner. And then I was like, oh, crap, Ben. I was like, how am I gonna do that? So I was very. Yeah, very conscious of it. It was something that wasn't. It didn't actually come as easy to me as maybe it looks. But, you know, I know my place. I feel very confident now, you know, having done this for 5 years, having been a chief stew for 10 plus years, now I finally feel like I'm in a place where I'm like, no, I know what I'm doing. Stop. Just.

[Kelsey]

I was like. I was like. I was just imagining my. Like, did you learn how to do that on all those family boats? You're like, okay, children get in your bedrooms, you know?

[Daisy Kelleher]

Yeah. I mean, each year it's. It's been just, you Know, a confidence thing, kind of getting better and better at it, but, yeah, something I'm. I'm constantly working on and, you know, finding that balance of being nice. But also, you know, I. I'm queen of the boat.

[Kelsey]

Yeah, you are. You really are.

[Ronnie]

So when we watch Below Deck, it seems like every season there are multiple romance storylines. And, you know, talking to people from the show over the years, a lot of them seem to be kind of put on by producers or at least encouraged by producers. Is that still happening a lot or is that natural? I guess my question is, like, joao.

[Kelsey]

Okay, go ahead.

[Daisy Kelleher]

So, you know what? Jana put it really well this year because I also get people telling me, like, oh, I was forced to be with this person, which people have said about me. And, you know, and it does get into my head. I'm like, oh, well, that's charming. And I, you know, this year specifically, I spoke to Jenna about it, and I was like, I'm really annoyed that this person has said that they were forced to be with me. And I was like, were you forced to do anything this season? And she goes, unfortunately not. And I was like, thank you. I made every single decision all on my own. And I was like, thank you. So, personally, five years later, I have never been asked to do anything from production ever that I, you know, haven't been a willing participant in. You know, we drive our own storyline. I think the most production asks you to do is if they see something like they. They kind of want you to lean into it because they can't tell a story, but, like, they're not going to go up to me and say, you and Eddie, can you two get together? You know, it doesn't work. There has to be something there. And so I personally call BS on that narrative. It's never been my experience. It's these bad decisions are all by our own doing.

[Kelsey]

Yeah. Because on the latest season of classic Below Deck, they were all hooking up so much that it was actually to the detriment of the show. And I'm like, is this normal for yachting life? Or were these people who are, like, trying to make a splash on reality tv? I mean, I know you weren't on that boat, but, like, I feel like that's not par for the course necessarily for these shows. Or is it just, like, we just normally don't see it as much on TV because they emphasize other parts of the narrative?

[Daisy Kelleher]

No, I think. I think the majority of the hookup and things you'll always see, there's definitely been a Few kisses, like random drunken, like, I don't know, like truth or dare that make no story. Like sometimes I'm like, yeah, I kissed that person. Like I've kissed some of the girls before. Like on nights out. Like this year I was kissing Jenna, like kind of thing. And that makes story because it was just fun. It wasn't. You know, me and Jenna, I think at one stage they're like, you and Jenna. I was like, don't go down that route. Yeah, we're just having a good time. So I think if it makes story, it's part of the story they're talking about it. It's a thing I would say, I'd say it's a mixture of both. I would say, you know, I wasn't there during og but I will, in my opinion. I think some people do self produce. You know, I certainly see it with the junior crew and I get it. Like the junior crew don't have the same amount of story as the senior crew do. So kind of sometimes our only way to get a storyline is, is really conflict or a love interest. And you know, that's not really their fault, like being just the good. You know, you see it with Batule just being the hard worker, you know, they're, they don't get much story time. And you know, a lot of these people come on maybe, maybe to be an influencer or maybe to whatever elevate their career in something. So I think they do self produce knowing their way of getting a storyline. And then I do also think that we, these relationships escalate really quickly. We're in. It is a very intense environment and it's very easy to do an 18 hour shift and then, you know, suddenly a warm body looks pretty inviting.

[Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Daisy Kelleher]

So I think it's a bit of both.

[Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

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[Daisy Kelleher]

I mean, as you can see, it was. It was busy, and they were actually really lovely. They genuinely are really nice women. They're professionals. They know what they're doing. Again, they know how to, you know, drive story. And they just kept us busy. It was just, you know, asking us for water, margaritas, Coke zero, hair dryers. Can we do this? Can we do that? I was like. My head was just frazzled by the end of it. But always said, thank you. Always. You know, they were never rude to us. And I mean, those ladies can. Can argue that. That's really impressive.

[Ronnie]

So the Ellie of it all, what's been going on with that? Because I saw a clip of Ellie saying, we don't even need Daisy in the. What the hell? What was that about? It seemed like you were getting along fine with Ellie.

[Daisy Kelleher]

Yeah. So we're kind of halfway through the season, and obviously we have a whole second half where you can kind of see me and Ellie kind of start having some conflict and. But, you know, I can only really speak up until this point. You know, we do get on it. She came on. I obviously knew her. Her history, but was very happy to. To give her a second chance. I'm not part of casting. I'm not part of hiring. So, you know, I. She's a. Yeah, she's an interesting person. She's. We got on fine, but she's not the easiest to get on with, you know, and you see just the little things. Like in the latest episode, when I tell her to. To move, I was being polite. I was like, hey, can you move over? And she's like. And I'm like, sorry, I think you missed this. Like, you know, and then I kind of have to get the claws out. I'm like, you're pushing me. Like, I don't want to be mean, but you're. You're annoying me. Move. You know, the Ben thing was pretty escalated, and, you know, in the second half, you'll see, we. We kind of. Yeah. Really start to. To butt heads. And, you know, even now, she's. I mean, whatever. Like, I don't have a problem with her per se, which she's like, yeah, I don't know what Daisy's problem is I don't have a problem with her. I'm like, are you watching yourself? Like, you know, and then she does on the after show, like, I mean, which was the weirdest comment. I'm like, yeah, this show can go on without me. Like, there's millions of yachts, millions of blow decks that have gone on without me. But I'm like, I don't know why that was a dig. I'm like, it's also okay without you, Ellie. Like, so, yeah, she just. She just rubs me up the wrong way. You know, she says some stuff on social media to wind me up and then says, oh, I don't know why Daisy's mad. You know, it's this kind of poking the bear. And then when I snap, she kind of. And she does that. You'll see in the second half, she does the same thing. Winds me up, pokes me, does stuff to disrespect me. And then when I snap back, she's like, daisy just attacked me.

[Ronnie]

And I'm like, oh, God.

[Daisy Kelleher]

A bit of an exaggeration, yes. Still to come, she just moved. Her and Ben become besties, and I become her enemy. That's essentially.

[Kelsey]

No. Oh, I mean, that's great for us because that's gonna be amazing television. But I'm sorry that you had to go through. Through that, but thank you for making your sacrifice for us, the viewers.

[Daisy Kelleher]

You know what? I gotta give it to her. She is fascinating to watch. You know, even. Even on the boat, I was like, wow, this is. This is. These moves are so interesting. You know, the duo thing was interesting. And, you know, she was. She's fine to be around, but she. She does kind of isolate herself. She removed herself from the groups. Like, she wouldn't kind of drink with us before when we were getting ready, you know, we're having a few drinks at the bar upstairs. She never joined in on that. She. She just really had. No. Not much interest in getting to know the crew. But, yeah, she's interesting to watch great green screens.

[Ronnie]

You know, it's interesting because she's making. She's making little moves every second. You know, it's like, okay, the Ben thing wraps up. Okay, let's. Immediately. Juan needs a massage. Okay, that's done. You know, go for.

[Kelsey]

For the.

[Ronnie]

Go for Alicia, who deserved it, frankly. But, like, go for Alicia. You know, she's always got a ball. She's always got a couple of balls in the air.

[Daisy Kelleher]

I. You know, I was. I was fine with her coming on because, like I said, she was fascinating to watch and she really was. She's a little chess player. She just never kind of stopped. But, yeah, she'll, you know, she makes up for the second half. And I wish her the best of luck. But, yeah, me and her

[Ronnie]

best of luck. I wish her luck in hell. Bring some ice.

[Kelsey]

How much, how much communication is there ever before a charter season? Like, I have to assume, had you ever met Joao before? Like just do Bravo things or, or like have you met Ellie or anyone? Or you just come on the boat and you just don't know who's going to be there?

[Daisy Kelleher]

No. So I, you know, I have met people in the past. I, I've met, you know, I'm friendly with Fraser, I'm friendly with Asia and we've met at BravoCon. There were like a few other random people I've met, like Katie Floody, Malia, mainly things through BravoCon or upfronts, but a lot of the junior crew I wouldn't have met unless they were on sailing. And so when, you know, this season I came on, or pretty much any season, unless they're reoccurring, like Colin Gary, my captain, I've never met any of the people coming on. So this season I had an inkling that there was going to be returners, but I didn't know who and I did not guess Ben and Joy. And I had never met them before. I'd never met Ellie before. So it was, yeah, all very new and I'd never even spoken to any of them. I had, you know, seen them, seen their act seasons and seen them online, but never interacted with them. So it was interesting.

[Ronnie]

What about below deck sailing? Is that just completely done? Is that officially done? So it. Does it have to. And if it is or not, does it have to do with the actual boat being available or not?

[Kelsey]

So I have the boat still floating, by the way.

[Daisy Kelleher]

The boat is still floating, apparently down in Spain. So I do not know. I think as far as I'm aware, it's, it's put on pause. I don't think they ever really cancel any of these shows. It, you know, the simple thing is it's on pause. Maybe it will come back, whether that's next year or in, you know, five years. And I do think, from what I understand, I think Bravo loved sailing. I think they were very proud of that spin off and I think that the element of, you know, say, like the physical sailing they love. I also, I think Glenn, people just love Glenn. So, you know, I think never say never. And we Just no one knows the future of below Deck, I think. I don't know. No one has ever told me why it got put on pause. But from what I'm aware, I think it was a mixture of the ratings of our last season. I think some of the drama that I will not, you know, mention. And I think it was also. I think it was also boat logistics. But a sailing boat is harder to take out.

[Ronnie]

Sailing is the only one that is around that. There are so many conversations about the actual boat and like, what's going on with the boat and where it came from. Like, there's actual drama with that boat, which I've always found so hilarious that there will be entire Reddit threads. Like, well, they can't do it because the boat, you know, the owner of the boat got mad about this thing or that there's just be like some kind of drama about the actual.

[Daisy Kelleher]

I do love Reddit. They're like, oh, no, the boat, it's been sold. I'm like, you know, there's. They could do it on another sailing boat. Like, Paral didn't say it's me or no one.

[Kelsey]

Like, yeah, Paral. I mean, there was. It was always so funny for us because it felt like every season it was like, oh, guess what? One of the maths fell over. You know, it's like the whole thing is like a disaster. There was that one season where the engine just wasn't working and Colin went in there and took like bubblegum and cotton balls and was like, wait, let's move it now. And I was like, what? And like. And the course. There was the crash into the dock. I mean, that boat took a battering over the course of the seasons. And like, I don't know. I'm. I really am surprised it's still in one piece. Mark, what was it like for you as a passenger on that. On a. On like a sailing yacht? Was like the diagonal of it all, like, crazy.

[Mark McNamara]

It was. It was a lot. And to give you an update on the boat, we had Glenn on our show a couple weeks ago and the boat just had a total rehaul. So that's where the boat actually has. They refurbished all of it. They had to do fix the bun. The engine because it was season five where the engine stopped working. So Parcel is alive, but it's been redone.

[Ronnie]

I love it. Glenn's still with it. So Glenn's still with the parable?

[Daisy Kelleher]

No, I think. I think she may have gotten sold, to be honest. I think that's what's happened. But yeah, sailing boats are just. There's not as many of them. I think they're a little bit more treasured than, you know, we. The, the motorboats get ripped apart in the season. They got like.

[Ronnie]

Oh, I'm sure.

[Daisy Kelleher]

Yeah. So it's, you know, usually more run down boats and maybe owners looking for some quick cash, things like that. Not owners that love their, you know, possession.

[Ronnie]

And they're like, baby, I know this one. There are suede walls, right? Aren't they suede walls or like, are they velvet walls?

[Daisy Kelleher]

There's like some kind of fabric velvet.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, it's like some kind of velvet or something on the walls. And I'm like, no, no.

[Kelsey]

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[Ronnie]

Food service up and down. I'm just someone. I was like, oh, God, please.

[Kelsey]

Yeah, I can't imagine suede walls. And then also, aren't like a certain number of those rooms just dedicated to your crew, like the, the TV show crew that has to like, be there and like, that's where they have to like their control rooms and all that stuff. And, and like, doesn't that. How does that affect you as like a stew? Just, just dealing with having a camera crew in there and producers and like microphones dangling all over the place.

[Daisy Kelleher]

It's. You know what, it's not too bad when it comes to production. They really stay out of the way. We rarely see the producers and they're very professional and they don't like, interact. You know, I have a little bit of a different relationship five years later than maybe some of the junior cast member members, but we really just see the cameraman and the audio people. Like we're carrying our own mics on mics and cameras. You know, I'm sure Mark can tell you as well. And it's pretty discreet. I think it's relatively discreet than what you would imagine. It's not like a TV set where you've got like the boom mics or sometimes you do if we're like jumping off the water and stuff. But they're, they're very, very good at keeping to themselves. And I do think, I really do think it's one of the only shows out there that is pretty much not produced or scripted. And they take the fourth wall very seriously. And I think they, you know, take it seriously because they are, you know, sure that it's one of the key ingredients of its success.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. There's a notification that's going off and I love it because it sounds like a submarine.

[Daisy Kelleher]

Oh, that's. I am so sorry.

[Ronnie]

It's okay. I would have said something. Right. It's totally fine. It just sounds like a submarine. So I like it because it's a nautical themed episode. So I'm into it. And I guess both. This is for both of you. What, what about the preference sheets? Is real? Are they usually that intense and the parties and stuff that you guys have to throw like the themed costume parties, is that normal? That has to be something they just do for tv because I can't imagine a bunch of rich people are like, we need a drag night and then we need a circus night and then I want seals everywhere. I just want fake blow up seals everywhere.

[Kelsey]

And a little bit against the crew. Yeah.

[Ronnie]

Is that kind of a show invention or is that real?

[Daisy Kelleher]

Well, I'll say with the real stuff and then Mark and kind of say because he actually did the preference sheet, I don't actually know how that works with regards to the show and the comparison. What I will say is, weirdly enough, on real boats they do like a tablescape. I hate a tablescape and I kind of get it. I think it's when you're on a boat for two weeks, they like. A lot of owners like to see their money. So they like to see the stews work and that can, you know, sometimes we do table skit and they take, they take a while. Like they can take like two hours and you're putting like sand and you know, doing all these big candle things. Like every time I'm like, this is so tacky. Like it's really not my thing at all. But most boats you'll do some sort of tablescape different now to below deck. It's more like sands and shells and things like that. In regards to the themes, you will do a theme if it's a theme thing. So like we've done parties for 4th of July and it's pretty tacky. It's that the, what's it called? Sorry, the flags, the balloons, things like that. A birthday party and Bastille day. But they wouldn't just come up to me and be like, hey, Daisy, today we want like a rodeo theme. That would never happen. Yeah, that's not a thing. So it's kind of a little bit meeting in the middle there. A little bit real, but also a little bit hyped up for the, the kind of drama of it. And then. Yeah, Mark, you've done the preference reference

[Mark McNamara]

sheets and they're very serious about them. I did mine at the last minute. They'd asked for it like five times and finally I filled it Out. And when I got there, they went over it with me, and I didn't remember filling it out, so. Bringing back the clam juice. They asked what your favorite juice was. I said, clam just to be an ass. And they're like, oh, so sorry. We didn't. We don't have that. And they. They took it really seriously. But I think they kind of wanted us to do a theme night because they're like, they. Visually, it's. It's more fun for them to see us dress up and not see, like, oh, what did Cole's cast buy you this week? They wanted to see, like, some razzle dazzle, so they wanted to put a theme on it so it visually looked more exciting, I think, because it's the show, but they take them really seriously. They want to know what you want for breakfast, for lunch, for dinner. Like, how do you like your meat? What you. How. What type of fruits do you like? They're very specific on. You have to fill that out. Everything that you drink needs to be on there. Everything you eat needs to be on there.

[Kelsey]

And did you feel like when you were a guest on the boat, did. Did that affect you in the sense that, like, a lot of times we see on these shows, there's always, like, a primary who comes on, and then there's always, like, a friend of the primary, and it's like the friend of the primary is the one who is making all sorts of outrageous demands. It's like they get like a power trip or something. Did you. Did you, like, step on that boat? Did you ever have a moment of, like, I'm a normal person, that you step on the boat and you suddenly had these, like, instincts and urges that you're like, oh, I have to, like, curb this. Like, something's taking over me? Or is that just what I imagine happens?

[Mark McNamara]

You hit the nail on the head. That did happen with one of our guests, a queen named Lola, who I'd never met. I'd only known Dean talks before I got on the boat. So the rest of the. The eight people I had met on the boat. So there was a queen named Lola who came with that. None of us, all of us on the trip still talk. We have a group text. We're still in communication, except for her, because as soon as we got on that boat, she. He thought he was a real housewife. He started trying to create drama with Detox. And I. I took off our mics and I took us to the bedroom, because the cameras won't follow you into the bedroom. If you're not miked. And I said, listen, I'm not doing this. I'm not having. This show is about the crew. We're here to have fun. Be yourself. I'm not going to cause some fight just to get some camera time. So if you want to do that, like, either I'm going to get off the boat or you're going to get off the boat, because I'm not. That's not who I am. That's not what this is going to be about. We're here to have fun. Just be yourself. Relax into it. And she did the entire time and was just so obnoxious about it.

[Daisy Kelleher]

I think that's just another good example of, like, you know, it's the same with the crew. I'm sure it's the same on other shows. People self produce, you know, that's why everyone's like, this is so scripted. And I'm like, girl, we don't need a script. Like, people take it upon themselves, you know, and we get told that every year. They're, you know, they're very adamant and saying, at least awesome. I'm sure they say that to the guests as well. Be yourself. You don't need to be anything but yourself. Like, you've been brought on because you're special, and we want you here to because of your personality. And then, you know, you got one or two people, whether it be the guests or the crew, go, nah, I'm going to be someone else. Never, ever goes, well. And, you know, afterwards, they're like, kind of told you to not self produce.

[Kelsey]

Is Mike self producing, you think? He's very gossipy. Like, gossipy to the point where I'm like, is he just trying to make.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, it seems like Mike would be that. That one for this season.

[Daisy Kelleher]

Yeah, I think, you know, I'm not. I, you know, I don't want to speak for him. I don't know. And, you know, maybe. I think sometimes they're not even sure themselves, but I, you know, he'd obviously done a TV show before, and you definitely get every year, one or two people where they don't realize how hard we work. Like, every season, one or two come on. And they're like, why? This is. This is really hard work. And I'm like, like, yeah, like, you signed up to a real job. And sometimes I think, you know, maybe a deck person and maybe a stew come on, and they think they're doing Real Housewives or, you know, whatever, and you're kind of sitting around and then they're like action. We work crazy hard and I, I'm not, I'm not entirely sure with Mike, but yeah, I think there was maybe a little bit of, he thought he was doing his other TV show, you know, and he's, you know, very entertaining and he's funny and I like his green screens. But yeah, I think he thought that the work wasn't as important as it really was and it, you know, it catches up on him for sure.

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[Ronnie]

Are there a lot of times where they take the guests who don't have enough people and just add other people onto their group? Because it seems like sometimes people come on and they don't really even know the primaries, and they're like, what? That this person's acting crazy and I want no part of this person? You know? And I've always wondered if it's just like, maybe they had a group of four, and they were like, okay, well, we had another group of five that wanted to come on, so let's just mix them together.

[Daisy Kelleher]

That is actually a good guess, but it's not spot on. So I had the same thing. When I watched or not watched. When I did my first season, I was like, this is wild. I was like. I started off asking questions, and I was like, how long have you guys known each other? What happened? Especially the first few years in Covid and not as much now. What happens is, is when the charters, the charter guests are given their dates, they're really specific. So they're like, can you come to Mexico on the 20th of June until the 23rd of June? And that's their window. So a primary. Like, like, you guys, you go, oh, my God, this is amazing. You know, you have a podcast, and suddenly you go to all your friends who have nine to five jobs and you have children, and you're like, come to Mexico on the 20th to the 23rd of June. They're like, I can't. Like, I have a job. I have to get babysitters. So they end up reaching out to really far corners of their groups. People they went to university and they haven't seen them in 20 years. People that they were friendly with on Instagram, a friend of a friend of a friend. And that's why they're so disconnected. Okay, so you're not far off. But yes, I was also wondering the same thing, because I was like, you guys don't seem like that good friends. They're like, well, I haven't seen her in 20 years.

[Kelsey]

That makes so much sense, because we always are like, what are they trying to con us. You have like these three people and then those four people. I was like, these people do not know each other. And I guess that is sort of true. But it's not because of production. It's because people lives.

[Daisy Kelleher]

They want to go and they, you know, they've been given this opportunity, but they're struggling to get nine friends in co. It was really bad. That's really when you saw it. Because people didn't want to travel or they couldn't. So they were scouring like, you know, their friend from middle school, and then they were like, oh, I don't actually like this woman anymore anymore. It's not as bad anymore. But yeah, you get some really disjointed groups. So, yeah, that's answered us.

[Ronnie]

That's funny. How do you deal with the audience reaction? I mean, that seems like it would be a huge part of the show because you shoot. How long are. How long is the season to shoot? How long does it take?

[Daisy Kelleher]

Three months to air? Yeah, about three months.

[Ronnie]

But like, when you're. When you're actually shooting it, how long are you on the boat?

[Daisy Kelleher]

Six weeks.

[Ronnie]

Oh, so it's only six weeks. So it's six weeks, but then it runs for what, three or four months. And then you have to deal with the audience reaction, which can be pretty intense. I mean, Below Deck has a shockingly intense audience reaction, I find. I'm like, geez. I mean, there's people who will get so mad about something in service like, that wasn't even the right fork, idiot, you know, and they'll go crazy for weeks about shit like that. What is it like navigating that, you know, in your position?

[Daisy Kelleher]

You know what, actually it was. I think. How do I answer this? I think it's hard to stay silent. It's hard to definitely not react. And sometimes I find myself reacting and I'm definitely somebody who stands up for myself. And that is something I've had to learn to take a minute, not react, you know, it will go away sometimes. I don't always. Sometimes I clap back. It's hard that. It's patience. And I've definitely gotten better at it over the years. There were really difficult times, you know, during the breakup with Colin, where there were. It was a very complicated story and a very complicated background, and it was very much not shown the experience of what I experienced. So that was really difficult to not be able to. And it kind of tried to voice it throughout the reunion, and it was just a mess. I just couldn't vocalize what I was trying to say the story was so convoluted. He obviously was keeping one side of it very quiet, which is fine. I'm over it now. But that was really difficult to have. So many people have such a strong opinion about me and my relationship and something that was very vulnerable. But in hindsight, I'm really glad I went through it because I think it's made me so much stronger if I ever have to experience anything like that again. And now I'm like, oh, I. I feel like I'm much more equipped for that. And my perspective has changed. You know, when I first joined the seat, the show, you get told, be yourself. This is your, you know, your time to shine, your time to show your true identity. And weirdly, that can actually be a lot, because when somebody gets a lot of hate, like some of the other junior cast members who get really bad hate, you kind of walk away from it being like, I was myself, and now I'm so hated, and I'm getting death threats and, you know, this really negative online attention. Whereas now I've kind of readjusted my thought process and going, this doesn't define me. This is a job, and this is a moment in time, and you're allowed to grow. You're allowed to change. And I think that's really helped. I actually think it was a bit detrimental when it was like, this is you. This is who you are. And I was like, oh, God, what if I mess this up? Like, this is the only chance, I guess. And.

[Ronnie]

Well, yeah, because, I mean, even being yourself in regular life, I mean, you can't just go to the office and be yourself, or people would get fired. You know, I mean, I can't just walk into the office and be like, I'm taking a nap, or, you know, like, ronnie, would you do this? No, fuck you. I'm not fucking doing it, you know, because that is myself. So I would get fired in two seconds. So we, you know, we all have to have kind of filters. So I guess that is kind of scary to take that off, really, anywhere, but especially in front of cameras.

[Daisy Kelleher]

Yeah. And I think, you know, finding that balance, and that's what's so interesting, doing below deck, because it is that balance of being that work professional, but then being able to switch it off and have a lunch love interest and then drink, but still have the, you know, respect of your peers. And I think that's part of why it makes it so interesting, and it's a part of why I wanted to do yacht mess with Mark So people could see a more unfiltered version of me and a bit more lighthearted, a bit funnier, because I do have to be still a cheese stew while working. So that's, you know, like, we did, you know, we talked about Summer House on our last week's episode, and, you know, I know they've been getting a lot of hate, and we did it. We put up a clip, and I just couldn't believe. Everyone's like, no, she should basically burn at the stake. I was like, this. Like, I'm talking about Amanda. I'm like, God, everyone needs to relax. Like, they are gonna, you know, suffer in their own way, and their friendships are gonna suffer. And I just couldn't even believe, even on our clip, how intense people were and basically being like, you know, Mark was like, I was right. Yeah. He was like, not that we weren't team Sierra, but we were just saying, like, people need to. To relax a bit on the hate. And then they're, like, coming.

[Kelsey]

Do you feel that you, being someone who's on camera, you have a different perspective for when these scandals happen in, like, the world of Bravo,

[Daisy Kelleher]

it's hard to know if it's because I'm on camera. I think I'm a huge empath. I think I am somebody. You know, I've been told in my whole life I'm a real devil's advocate. I can see people's perception from everywhere. So, you know, when people have affairs, like, they come to me. They're like, I'm cheating on my husband. I'm like, it's gonna be okay. They're like, I can't tell anyone but you. You're the only one who doesn't judge. And I'm like, we're all human. I'm not gonna sit my high horse. So.

[Kelsey]

Just sitting your toilet?

[Daisy Kelleher]

Yeah.

[Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

Well, you've also got the experience with the Gary and Colin thing, you know, which obviously isn't exactly the same, but it's similar in that there's, like, friendships and, you know, but that was mine. That was my girlfriend. You know, I was. I had her. It's like, well, you didn't want me, but now you want me because he wants me. I mean, it's kind of the same. Just, like, similar vibes there. And I would imagine with audience reaction, you are getting the same, because whether you were right or wrong in the situation, which I think you're always right if you're gonna go against Colin or Gary personally, but whether you're right or wrong in that specific Situations, people choose sides and they're just like, they're gonna. They're gonna call you out and try and turn. Feather you on the Internet, you know, massively.

[Daisy Kelleher]

And it's. It's so interesting. You know, the Colin and Gary thing is one. One kind of example of things I've done in my life. You know, I'm turning 39. I've never really had a serious boyfriend. I have, you know, know messed around so much in my life. I'm single. I like going out there, you know, trying to find love like everybody else is. And, you know, I think I'm a pretty good person with a pretty good heart who has made mistakes. And, you know, I was talking to my roommate. We've all done it, even my. My friends who with the heart, the biggest hearts of gold. Whether it be university or eight later on in life, every single person I know has made some sort of mistake and crossed a boundary in some sort of way. Some more than others. And I just couldn't believe the lack of like any sort of empathy. I was like, wow, everyone in this world is so perfect. It must be so nice to sit there and never ever have made a mistake or feel something they shouldn't have felt or have no empathy for anyone else. Yeah, you know, people make mistakes and maybe I did, maybe Amanda did, but I really, I just think it's fascinating how perfect the world is. It's really quite amazing to see.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, it really is.

[Kelsey]

It's so perfect.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. Well, I mean, you see, do you guys should have some kind of reach out? I mean, there's the. For people who only get one season because I feel like, you know, we watch every second of these shows, so we've seen your. And talk about them endlessly, as you know. So we've seen you kind of go from your beginning to where you are now and just I think having season after season and watching you grow and learn and change from. I think probably a mixture of what you're actually experiencing, but also how people are reacting to it and how you came back stronger and stuff like that. It's cool to watch that kind of a journey. And a lot of the people on the show, like you mentioned earlier, the junior crew, don't get that opportunity and they're like, traumatized for life. Like that guy Emil from below deck. Regular suing. Suing? What is he suing for, like $500 million or like something crazy? He's like $1 trillion. I'm suing you for $1 trillion.

[Daisy Kelleher]

Doesn't he know the world needs Bravo. Please don't make the deal.

[Kelsey]

I mean, of course the Internet put up like, you know, shots of him being completely incapable at his job, but like.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, and it's like, you know, he was a jackass on a season, but he wasn't, you know, the worst person. And I don't even remember her. I mean, I kind of remember him because I remember they caught him jerking off in bed and I thought that was hilarious. Like, I still remember that. I think that was like the funniest thing ever that they kept that in the show, but that's like all I remember. And that he had curly hair, so I don't even remember. And then all these years later, he's coming back with this huge lawsuit like it was really still bothering him. And everybody I've met pretty much, I would say like 90% of cast members I've met over the years have been kind of traumatized from it, which is interesting. I don't feel like that with necessarily housewives and stuff. So how do you, how do you feel about that? And like, do you, do you feel like you could ever start like some kind of outreach for ex Junior debt crews where you could mother them or something or anti them?

[Daisy Kelleher]

I definitely, I mean, I've thought about all of that. I think first of all, I've often said that I'm very grateful that I got more than one opportunity to redefine my story and for the, the audience to grow with me. I'm forever grateful for that because, you know, there are many dimensions to people and I'm glad not one story got told but multiple to show like this well rounded version of myself. Yeah, I think in regards to the Junior, the Junior crew, I do feel sorry that they don't get to retell their story.

[Mark McNamara]

But.

[Daisy Kelleher]

And this is something, you know, I do speak about, I think, unfortunately, I think in the world of reality tv, ideally, I really genuinely believe producers would love to have really well rounded normal people. Reality TV attracts narcissists. We all, everyone has some sort of level of narcissism. A reality tv, their scope of narcissism is just huge. I also have narcissistic traits, but this was, I, I was like, wow, this is, this is a wild room to be in right now. And so unfortunately, this level of narcissism, I do think, you know, a lot of these Junior cast members, I really think they're coming back. They're like, I am coming back and this is going to be my show. You know, I, I think Danny definitely thought, like, I'm 99. Certain. She was. She thought she was taking my job. And it was scary to, like, hear what I was hearing in the background. Background. I was like, how were you so not equipped to deal with this reality of what. You know, you've created a reality in your head. So I do feel sorry for them, but I also think this is a hard lesson to learn. And, you know, with a meal, I'm like, is it. Is he still really bothered by it, or is he just wanting, you know, a piece of the pie? Is he just kind of stomping his feet, being, like, thinking everyone else is making millions, which I'm pretty sure only the Housewives of Beverly Hills are. I don't think anyone else is. And he's going, I want a piece of that pie. But. And then moving on to regards to the outreach. There has been conversations with just me and random people being like, oh, maybe when this ends, I should come on as like, a. You know, like a. I guess like a. Like a. Like a.

[Ronnie]

Like a support group.

[Daisy Kelleher]

Yeah. Like, it's like a counselor kind of. Yeah, I've been through this. Let's talk about what you're about to go into. And I do like Keith, really. I was able to really help him because we were really close, and I was like, I. You know, Jenna was the same this year. I was like, you know, my advice to you going forward is don't think you're coming back if you do see it as a really big positive, but prepare your life as you're gonna keep, you know, working your normal job. Because a lot of people don't go and get other jobs. They sit around all year waiting for a callback, and then they don't get a call back, and they're, like, devastated, and they haven't worked all year. So I think some of my closer friends on the show have kind of been really grateful for that. And I've been able to kind of coach them, being, like, take it for what it was, for a good experience, and if they bring you back, brilliant. But the reality is they probably won't. It's just the way the show works

[Kelsey]

in the industry is, like, getting onto blow deck kind of a thing that people are sort of low key, aspiring for. Is it like a real, like, feather in the cap thing, or is it sort of immaterial in the yachting industry?

[Daisy Kelleher]

Oh, I'm.

[Ronnie]

Or does it work against you?

[Daisy Kelleher]

Yeah, I think. I think there's a bit of everything there. I think when I did it six years ago, I think it was the opportunities there are now definitely didn't exist then. And I think Instagram, there's a lot more money to be made there. I think Kate has made a really good career for herself. Reality TV wasn't quite what it is now. I think Covid really helped with that. So when I went and did it, like, I didn't even know you can make money in Instagram. Like, I genuinely went in because I wanted to get out of COVID I had no aspiration to be on tv. No idea. I didn't know what Bravo Con was. I didn't know, you know, I'd be flying out to la. None of this. I didn't know I'd meet Mark and we'd have a podcast. That's not part of the plan. So I think now people are a bit more low key, being like, oh, they. They look like they're having a good time, maybe, you know. So I think some people are now maybe looking at it as more of a. A golden kind of gate thing. But I also think there's a huge amount of negative press around or negative feeling in the industry, and I would never recommend anyone to do it unless you were sure that you wanted to leave the industry. People do still go on to have careers. I think most people who have done this season and wanted to go back to yachting or decided to have are still working in yachts. But personally, I think focus on your career in yachts and when you're ready to leave and you wanted to take the opportunity, that would be my advice.

[Ronnie]

Right.

[Kelsey]

That's interesting.

[Ronnie]

All right, so before we wrap up, let's go over what you guys are watching on Bravo right now. What are your favorite. What are your favorite shows this year, Mark? Why in the past year, it doesn't just start in January, but like a year. Ish. Yeah.

[Mark McNamara]

The new Rhode Island, I think, is Chef's Kiss. I am obsessed with it. The way that the Alicia just casually mentions that she ran over a woman is what I need in a housewife with. So love her. And, you know, I agree with Kelsey, not necessarily that you need to have a husband or a man that has a different. Like someone else. Like how he has that other girl in Miami. But I agree with, like putting down a napkin in the summertime when you sit. How she kind of started off with that. Because I don't know about y', all, but I wear my coochie cutters in the summer and it's very nice to have a little barrier napkin so that. That you don't get the marks on your leg.

[Daisy Kelleher]

Legs.

[Ronnie]

Anal.

[Kelsey]

She's got standards. Standards. A lady with standards.

[Mark McNamara]

Yeah, exactly. See, Matt, now you brought that up.

[Ronnie]

Ronnie,

[Mark McNamara]

I'm out of the Valley. I'm just not. I can't. There's too many kids. I don't even care about my friends kids. I don't give a rip. So the Valley. I'm out there.

[Ronnie]

Oh, gosh, wait till you see this week. I just watched the screener for this week. Oh, my God. They're all holding a baby. Like, literally every person in there is holding a damn baby or two or three. Like, where do they even come from?

[Mark McNamara]

Nope. I need Kristen to suck a dick and not have a baby. That's the kind of Kristen. I want babies.

[Kelsey]

London watching Ladies of London.

[Mark McNamara]

Love Ladies of London. Top tier programming. I don't know where they found these, these women and men from, but like, they're so good. I'm obsessed with Martha and her, her magpie. I, I, I'm all aboard Ladies of London. I, I'm obsessed with that.

[Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

I think how about you Days?

[Daisy Kelleher]

Yeah, I, you know, I'm enjoying Ladies of London. I think it's, you know, it's just something different. It's, they're just so quirky and kooky and I'm like, what are they wearing? I'm like, why have they stepped out of like the Middle Ages? Where did she get that term? You know, I think everyone's really enjoying them. Just a different energy. I, you know, I know like Beverly Hills is getting a bit of a bad rap. We also would Sarah Michelle Geller kind of said, which I tend to agree. I think their biggest problem at the moment is, which I love our season this year for, is we just move story, which Ellie's great for. Like you said. She's like, oh, I'm done with this. On to the next. Which I'm all for. And, but I find Amanda fascinating. She's like, Ellie, I'm like, can we study these people? Like, I can't get enough of it. Every time it like a trailer comes up on Tick Tock, I'm like, oh, my God, I need to watch this. Fascinating. So I kind of one of those things you like, love to hate to watch thing. And I don't think I'm really watching anything else. I'm kind of, I, I was never really into Summer House, but I think I might give in the City a go just because I'm friends with Lindsay. So I want to support it. And you'll see what it's about summer heights. There's too much to go back on. I can't. I can't start from the beginning. So, yeah, there's a lot of.

[Kelsey]

There a lot of. Are you a team Dorit or team Kyle on Beverly Hills these days?

[Daisy Kelleher]

Oh, that's. It's. It's a little bit tricky. I'm not really team either of them. I'm a bit. I feel like Dorit needs to let it go a little bit. Like, she. She's a little bit kind of contradictory. She's like, you need to say it to my face. And then people say it to her face, and then she's like, you didn't say it to my face before. I'm like, oh, it's just going around in circles. Like, there's. You're never. They're never reaching an agreement. And I kind of. Kyle's like, well, I'm saying it to your face now, and you know, it. It's just going around in circles. So maybe if I had to pick, probably team Kyle.

[Kelsey]

What about bold?

[Mark McNamara]

I. First of all, I think that Ellie and Amanda are like the Dr. Kimberly Shaw from Melrose Place. Like, I don't want to be around you. I don't want to be anywhere near you, but I love that you're blowing up the building, like, anywhere near your energy. And I would say I'm team Erica. I'm not team Kyle or team Dori. I don't agree with any of them. But when Erica stepped in, you know, as we know, she invented the word cunt, so I'm on her side.

[Ronnie]

I brought that to this group. You have nothing but mommy.

[Daisy Kelleher]

To be fair, I would kind of lean towards that as well. Like, Holland arena are just kind of annoying me. And then, you know, Erica just tied it up. Was like, you're all. But I. As much as it's like, a bit of a slow season, I mean, Kathy, Jennifer, Tilly, like, I live for these women. When they speak, I am just. Everyone, stop talking. Just let the queen speak.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So, yeah, it's been slow, but it's been still entertaining. I still really enjoy watching it. And. And we're always saying, like, housewives don't have to fight all the time. They don't need to force these fights all the time. And so we're kind of getting that with this season. And I. I mean, I like it. I'm still entertained.

[Kelsey]

I think it's really picked up in the last part of the season. Yeah.

[Daisy Kelleher]

Yeah. I. I. Mark is now a fan of Sutton. He Wasn't there for a while. But, yeah, I think the. The arguing about the. She's late and she's. It's. It's a little exhausting. Like, move on. I think that was part of, you know, Salt Lake City, I think was a good season, but again, they were just moving on. They were just tying it up and then moving on to the next thing. I think that's kind of important in reality tv. People get bored if you drag it on too much.

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Kelsey]

Yeah. And what's great about Below Deck is that it's built in is that like, kind of there's always a new charter, and the charter is going to bring its own pressures and it's going to bring on its own new dramas, like

[Ronnie]

changing out the cast.

[Daisy Kelleher]

Yeah, yeah. Our. Our season for the second half, it's. It's going to be fun. It's the same.

[Ronnie]

We.

[Daisy Kelleher]

A lot of changes, and I. I loved it for that reason, we just moved on. Nothing was too deep. There was just a lot of little fights.

[Kelsey]

Can I get a break about it?

[Mark McNamara]

I know that you guys are talking about returning cast members, but there's still one yet to come this season who was such a lightning rod. She's like. Like that. This person is one of my least favorite below deckers ever. And they come back, so.

[Kelsey]

Oh, my God, I am so excited to figure out who that might be.

[Ronnie]

Oh, and I do enjoy seeing.

[Daisy Kelleher]

Yeah, no, we. We. I think you're always worried, you know, even when you're filming, you know, you get really into the second half. And even watching the season, I think we had kind of just. Just gone one or two a little bit slower episodes, and then it just ramped on back up again and I was like, yeah, it's like it was a good season. It was a fun season.

[Ronnie]

So, yeah, I hope so far.

[Daisy Kelleher]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

You know, guys, thank you so much for coming on and talking to us. It has been really fun talking to you. Everybody check out the Yacht Mess podcast and where do you want them to find you all? Personally, I don't want to mess up your handles.

[Daisy Kelleher]

Well, I'm Daisy Kelleher, 87. That's my Instagram handle. And yeah, you can find us on stage. Spotify, Instagram, Mark you, You're good at this.

[Mark McNamara]

Tick tock, Instagram, Apple, Spotify, YouTube, all yacht mess Pod. And yeah, check it out if you want to see it or listen to it. It's there.

[Ronnie]

Beautiful. Thanks, you guys.

[Kelsey]

Thank you for being here.

[Daisy Kelleher]

Yeah,

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