Ep 274: Gary Vaynerchuk (Gary Vee) - Sam Morril & Mark Normand - We Might Be Drunk Podcast

Summary

We Might Be Drunk – Gary Vaynerchuk (Gary Vee)

Hosts: Sam Morril & Mark Normand
Guest: Gary Vaynerchuk
Date: March 9, 2026

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Overview

In this episode, NYC comics Mark Normand and Sam Morril welcome entrepreneur, motivational speaker, and internet personality Gary Vaynerchuk (Gary Vee). Their conversation is a high-energy blend of comedy shop talk, sports fandom (especially NYC teams), generational shifts in culture and tech, and Gary’s trademark hustle/marketing advice. The guys riff hilariously on nostalgia, AI, stand-up as an art form, self-promotion in the digital age, and the pitfalls and potential of social media for comics. Gary’s relentless optimism meets stand-up cynicism with infectious results.

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Major Discussion Points & Insights

1. Comedy and Aging as Comics

• Mark and Sam swap war stories about grueling road schedules, dealing with fatigue from multiple-show weekends, and the challenges of balancing comedy with family life and relationships.
• They poke fun at each other’s travel misadventures and struggle to keep energy up, acknowledging, "You're getting old for that." (01:26, Mark)

2. Movie Talk & Actor Nostalgia

• The hosts riff on classics like The Godfather, Network, and Varsity Blues, noting actor deaths and sharing favorite film trivia and actor facts.
• “That could have been made like yesterday and you would have been like, how the—” (02:54, Mark, re: Network)
• "You would never have a bald guy as a lead man anymore." (03:36, Sam)
• They debate whether certain performances and actors would fly in today’s climate, referencing everything from body image shifts to Hollywood nepotism.

3. Sports Fandom & Tribalism

• Pre-Gary, the comics reminisce about a Knicks game encounter and share stories about sports encounters and comedian access mishaps at MSG.
• When Gary Vee joins (~16:46), the tone shifts to a playful NYC sports argument—Jets vs Giants vs Bills, New York vs "Canada" (upstate NY).
• “I like the losing. I like the process. I grew up a huge Yankee fan and a huge Rangers fan. And after they won, I stopped caring.” (17:32, Gary)
• Deep conversation on how tribal sports loyalty is both harmless fun and a metaphor for bigger issues of identity.

4. Guest Focus: Gary Vaynerchuk on Social Media, Promotion, and AI

• Gary dives headlong into a masterclass on content promotion for comedians (36:10 – 54:00):
  • Clipping & Social Sharing: “Take all the footage from the show, chop it up into as many pieces of content, post it organically...” (36:50, Gary)
  • Algorithmic Feedback: “Use the algorithms to your advantage… they don’t change you, they expose you.” (43:53, Gary)
  • Balance of Analog & Digital: “Do both, because I think social can actually impact the set to be even better.” (41:23, Gary)
  • Mystique vs Exposure: Hosts push back on the importance of mystique for a comic, Gary counters that "overexposure is an old Hollywood concept" and advises not to worry (79:20+).

Notable Quotes & Moments:

• “If you hit those ads hard… you get more tune in, which takes you instead of number seven because you’re going to fucking be in the top ten regardless.” (37:55, Gary)
• Mark’s riff, frustrated at Netflix: “They make us do all the heavy lifting. These queefs sit on their ass…” (36:11, Mark)

5. Technology, AI, and the Future of Comedy

• They delve deep into the potential for AI to disrupt creative labor: AI stand-up comics, AI-written jokes, the “Hasselhoff AI rule,” and whether real humanity can be replaced.
  • “There will definitely be a writer who is going to stand up an AI standup comic that they own... It just happens to look literally like [a real person].” (59:20, Gary)
• Mark and Sam express skepticism about AI matching the authenticity of live standup; Gary is bullish on tech, while still emphasizing human creativity.

6. Stand-Up as Evolving American Art

• The trio discusses how stand-up is inherently American and recently developed compared to other forms of comedic expression.
• “Comedy’s been around forever, but stand up, the way we know it, is new and American. Invented here, I mean, like by the Jews.” (23:35, Sam)

7. Culture & Generational Change

• Tangents about changing norms—the shift from organic in-person connection to digital-first dating, Gen Alpha’s desire for analog experiences, and the challenge of authenticity in a filmed-everything world.
  • “I think everyone’s on these apps now… I miss eye contact. I can’t get a woman on the street to make eye contact.” (45:29, Mark)
• Gary: “Gen Alpha, the young crew behind Gen Z, is in full agreement with you and going much more analog.” (46:47)

8. Monetization, Commerce-tainment, and "Cream Rising"

• Gary predicts the rise of “commerce-tainment” (selling while entertaining, à la QVC meets TikTok live) and encourages comics to innovate in this space.
• “99% of the content on live shopping is what you would hate… but talent actually matters.” (74:11, Gary)

9. Keeping Creative Control & Avoiding Burnout

• Repeatedly, the hosts ask (sometimes skeptically) how to balance the modern demand for constant content with not becoming “robotic.” Gary reassures: “You’re fully in control… you can do whatever the fuck you want.” (83:41)
• They debate mystique vs. accessibility, sustaining creativity, and taking breaks to “live life.”

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Notable Quotes by Timestamp

• “The range. I mean—Network. That could have been made yesterday.” – Mark (02:48)
• “If you hit those ads hard… you get more tune in, which takes you instead of number seven because you’re going to fucking be in the top ten regardless.” – Gary (37:55)
• “There will definitely be a writer who is going to stand up an AI standup comic that they own. They're Walt Disney. That's their Mickey Mouse.” – Gary (59:20)
• “Do both, because I think social can actually impact the set to be even better.” – Gary (41:36)
• “Overexposure is 1987. Nobody's that big.” – Gary (79:20)
• “I do believe the cream rises, but there’s genres. 99% do it poorly… Talent actually matters.” – Gary (74:11)
• “We’re dangerously close to the next tier if we wanted it. And more importantly, there’s a lot of people listening who are junior versions of you who really need to hear what I'm saying.” – Gary (83:03)

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Key Timestamps for Major Segments

• 00:00 – 02:50: Banter about life on the road & Oklahoma comedy
• 03:00 – 06:00: Movie actor riffing, Godfather trivia, actor deaths
• 07:16 – 10:00: Knicks game stories, comedians backstage at MSG
• 11:00 – 16:46: Nostalgia & death in pop culture, sports as tribalism
• 16:46: Gary Vaynerchuk joins, sports argument erupts
• 23:19 – 36:00: Comedy as American art, invention, the rise of stand up
• 36:10 – 54:00: Gary Vee on social media strategy — promotion advice (Podcast Highlight)
• 54:00 – 65:00: AI, the future of standup, authenticity debate, nostalgia on growing up in Jersey
• 65:00 – 70:00: School memories, class diversity, advice for reaching new audiences
• 72:00 – 77:00: Commerce-tainment, live shopping, QVC for comics
• 79:20 – 83:41: Overexposure, mystique, the perpetual content grind
• 84:18 – 86:00: Wrapping up: how to balance ambition, fun, and fulfillment as creative people.

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Memorable and Funny Moments

• Mark joking that Tulsa is “the Austin of Oklahoma” (00:34)
• Hilarious riff about AI comics performing in foreign markets (“Hasselhoff AI rule Germany,” 21:07)
• Gary cutting up his brother’s Barry Sanders jersey for rooting for another football team (“That was life,” 33:15)
• Mark quips: “We’re just very self-conscious about putting too much out.” (80:04)
• Sam: “If I see AI porn, I move along… I know La Fontaine’s bush when I see it.” (58:09)
• Deep nostalgia detour on class photos and diversity at Gary’s elementary school (66:34–69:45)

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Overall Tone and Style

The episode has the fraternal, loose, fast-paced riffing energy characteristic of two seasoned comics and an ultra-positive, smart-alecky entrepreneur. Gary Vee’s blend of street-tough Jersey energy and Silicon Valley optimism collides with the comics’ sardonic, neurotic worldview, making for plenty of rich, provocative (and deeply funny) back-and-forths about modern life, hustle culture, and the eternal struggle to be both creative and visible "in a world where you have to post everything every day."

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Takeaways for Listeners

• Gary Vee’s main advice for comics and creators: Chop content, post endlessly and organically, use social media algorithms as creative feedback—not just for marketing.
• Don’t fear “overexposure”—there’s no such thing in the fragmented digital era (unless you’re literally Chappelle).
• Embrace new tech but don’t lose sight of the analog roots of standup and human connection.
• Use your own process and comfort as a guide—there’s room for both mystique and constant engagement.
• Change is relentless, but being authentic, funny, and adaptable keeps both comics and entrepreneurs ahead of the curve.

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For fans of the intersection between comedy, tech, and cultural commentary, this episode delivers a mix of wisdom, sharp jokes, and unfiltered optimism.

Transcript

[Mark Normand]

Oh, all right.

[Sam Morril]

Try to get on the camera.

[Mark Normand]

Trying to wake up here.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

How you doing, man?

[Sam Morril]

Good, good. Had I made a mistake, I've had a 5am flight out of Tulsa.

[Mark Normand]

Did you Kane's Ballroom?

[Sam Morril]

No, I did the new comedy club.

[Mark Normand]

Oh, it's good.

[Sam Morril]

It's good. It's like a bark club, like Spokane.

[Mark Normand]

It's the same people.

[Sam Morril]

Same people, yeah.

[Mark Normand]

Tulsa's cool, man.

[Sam Morril]

Tulsa's cool. They call the Austin of Oklahoma.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah. A lot of bars, a lot of competition in Oklahoma.

[Sam Morril]

No, no, that's true.

[Mark Normand]

Although Oklahoma City is pretty cool.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, yeah.

[Mark Normand]

I've ever good times there.

[Sam Morril]

My opening line was, I've never been here. I've been okc. I bombed there. Not as much as the last guy. And they would go, boo.

[Mark Normand]

I think my opener in OKC was, you guys weren't part of the Confederacy, but you would have been.

[Sam Morril]

They weren't.

[Mark Normand]

No, no, they weren't around, I don't think.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, yeah, good point. Very Native Americany state.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Sam Morril]

Oklahoma. Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

Oh, yeah.

[Sam Morril]

And black Wall Street. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So. Didn't mean to break it down.

[Mark Normand]

Tulsa.

[Sam Morril]

Tulsa. Yeah. So Tulsa, you know, you just want to. There's like, not a lot of direct flight. So I got the first one out out of Nam. And so then you do three shows Saturday. You don't get to bed till 2, you gotta wake up at 4.

[Mark Normand]

You gotta stop that three show Saturday. You're getting. You're getting old for that.

[Sam Morril]

All right, I'm getting old.

[Mark Normand]

I should take my own advice. But, yeah, you should stop.

[Sam Morril]

Well, that's why I'm all stuffed up. Because then you land in New York and you're like, it's 11:00am what am I doing? I'm here too early. I showed up, my wife was like, huh? What are you doing here? She just hands me the baby.

[Mark Normand]

Come home, you give your baby Covid. I got the third show, though, baby.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah, Third show, I show her the check, she doesn't care. And then. Yeah, then you're just on with the baby all day. Then it was, I missed Valentine's Day, so I did a big Valentine's dinner with drinks. We went to Caf Raise, Cafe Zafry, which is a nice little spot if you want to take a date out. Yeah, yeah. She dressed to the night. Look at this place. It's gorgeous. Right by Union Square.

[Mark Normand]

Oh, look at that. That is fancy.

[Sam Morril]

It's right in the heart of Manhattan.

[Mark Normand]

I run a joke by you.

[Sam Morril]

Sure.

[Mark Normand]

Speaking of a date, I went on. Went on a date with a 25 year old. We go back to my apartment. She's going through, you know, I got a lot of DVDs. She's going through them all. She goes, I've never seen the Godfather. And I was like, you got to see the Godfather. And I was like, wait, is this grooming? That could be something, right? All right, great.

[Sam Morril]

Caught me off guard.

[Mark Normand]

Completely fucking Duvall, dude.

[Sam Morril]

All right. All right.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, I guess this is a.

[Sam Morril]

This is.

[Mark Normand]

This might be coming out later. We had to backlog some of these because of our schedules, but man, Robert Duvall, fucking legend.

[Sam Morril]

One of. Yeah, I'd say top five actor American actors.

[Mark Normand]

He's up there for sure. I mean like the range.

[Sam Morril]

Oh yeah, dude.

[Mark Normand]

Network.

[Sam Morril]

Network. He's not.

[Mark Normand]

Prescient movie. I mean that's like. That could have been made like yesterday and you would have been like, how the.

[Sam Morril]

It's true. Just called streamer, you know, updated. Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

Cable news.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

Just poison.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah. Podcast.

[Mark Normand]

Dude, that movie, so crazy thing about. So network. William Holden, awesome in that movie, by the way, dies, you know, he has like one of the all time drunk deaths of all time. He's an alcoholic. William Holden, if you don't know, like Sunset Boulevard. Awesome actor. He is such a fall down drunk that he just slips in his apartment, hits his head on the side of a table and bleeds out.

[Sam Morril]

Wow.

[Mark Normand]

Like 61 or something. Or 62. Not that old.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Wow.

[Mark Normand]

And then Peter Finch, who's in this movie as well, dies. He was the first actor to win an award posthumously. So the pre Heath Ledger.

[Sam Morril]

Wow, look at that.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah. Hell. And I'm gonna take. I'm not gonna take anything.

[Sam Morril]

I'm not gonna take it.

[Mark Normand]

Evol man. Fucking. I just watched Burr text me to watch this movie called the outfit from the 70s and Duvall and Burr's like, I love it. You would never have a bald guy as a lead man anymore.

[Sam Morril]

Like this ain't that.

[Mark Normand]

Definitely not horseshoe bald.

[Sam Morril]

No.

[Mark Normand]

You could be like.

[Sam Morril]

You could be like the Rock ball or Statham.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, well, I'm watching. I'm watching old La Gould movie. I'm like, not a lot of heartthrobs with back hair anymore.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, good point.

[Mark Normand]

That shit anymore.

[Sam Morril]

That's true. How about Michael Caine and Alfie? Oh my God, he looks like a melted candle when he takes his shirt off. It's horrific. But he was a hunk back then.

[Mark Normand]

But do the outfit. Badass movie. Also a badass book. If you. It's Donald Westlake under his pen name Richard Stark. Awesome series of books. They're all fucking. Did, like the Hunter, which was a movie with Lee Marvin, point blank, and then it was remade with Mel Gibson. Payback.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, I love Payback.

[Mark Normand]

It's a fun movie.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah, Yeah, I had that on vhs.

[Mark Normand]

I mean, that's ridiculous.

[Sam Morril]

Look at this guy's. Smooth as a seal. Not. Not an inch of definition.

[Mark Normand]

He looks like he's like 7 years old.

[Sam Morril]

Yes, exactly. Or. Or Kim Jong Un. Same body. Look at that guy with the gun and everything.

[Mark Normand]

Guy's never done a curl in his life.

[Sam Morril]

No, no.

[Mark Normand]

You look at this so much. He signed it.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

That's.

[Mark Normand]

I mean.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, gosh, look at that. I mean, it looks like a. Like a trans woman.

[Mark Normand]

Duvall, man.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah, so Duvall. You know, Apocalypse Now, Napalm in the morning. Yeah, but there's a scene in the Godfather, I was going down a deep dive where they're all at dinner and they all get up at some point during the dinner, and then it hit me. They're all leaving in the order they die.

[Mark Normand]

Oh, no.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah. So it's a fun, fun little Easter egg or whatever you want to call it.

[Mark Normand]

Damn.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah, Little nuggets like that.

[Mark Normand]

But Pacino's just hanging on at that table.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah, exactly.

[Mark Normand]

Such a great movie.

[Sam Morril]

What was the courtroom movie? He was in the Judge. Was it the Judge? Was that it?

[Mark Normand]

That was one with Downey Jr. Oh,

[Sam Morril]

yeah, that was later. I don't know, maybe. I think a Paul Newman and the Verdict. The Verdict?

[Mark Normand]

That's the Verdict.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah. The Judge. You're right.

[Mark Normand]

Sidney Lumet Network in the Verdict.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah. Look at that.

[Mark Normand]

Fucking great movie. Paul Newman's best performance, my opinion.

[Sam Morril]

Hey, there you go.

[Mark Normand]

Big fan. But, yeah, man, we had fun at that Knicks game the other night.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, that was a good time.

[Mark Normand]

We're at the game. Josh Hart dabs up Chris. Chrissy D. Dabs up me. Then he turns around, then he turns back around. He goes, oh, shit, Mark, I see you. And then he dabs up Mark, too.

[Sam Morril]

I'll take it. I see.

[Mark Normand]

It was a cool moment. It was pretty. And then as Tyler Kolik, Nick's point guards jogging by just pointed at Norman. Nice moment.

[Sam Morril]

It was a weird point, but I'll take it. Yeah, it was like a. Like.

[Mark Normand]

You piece of shit.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

You fucked my wife.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah. You had Jonas Brother.

[Mark Normand]

I'm not sure if he told the story about you going to go see. You went to MSG to go see somebody?

[Sam Morril]

Shane. Oh. Shane.

[Mark Normand]

And something happened.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, I didn't tell you this.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

You met.

[Mark Normand]

Oh, you did tell me this. The other day. Yeah, I know. Yeah, yeah. That's funny as hell, though.

[Sam Morril]

He got me. I asked Shane to get me backstage. I wanted to hang out. And he's like, I got you, man. He got me tickets. Like hard seat tickets. So I showed up and they're like, here you go, sir, with an envelope. And I was like, thank you. And I walk in, the guy's like, whoa, where are you going? You're down here? And I was like, what the hell? Some texted Shane. He's busy. So I'm like, I'm just making a run for the backstage. So I make a run for it and like five guys are stopping me. You know, like security. Yeah, yeah. And I'm like, I'm a comedian. Like, everybody's a comedian. Shut up. And then one guy goes, are you Sam Morill? And I go, yeah. And he goes, get back there. So I got in.

[Mark Normand]

Thanks to the only place. I'll give you a boost.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

Mixed territory.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah, yeah. That synagogue, maybe. But yeah, So I got in. Thank God.

[Mark Normand]

Damn it, dude.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

But you.

[Sam Morril]

You feel like a. Like a plea. I'm like, no, no, I swear I performed here. And they're like, shut up. Everybody says that, you know. So you got me.

[Mark Normand]

The show is awesome.

[Sam Morril]

Show is awesome. It's like Soder and David Tell and Salvo Cano and all these. Oz the Mentalist was there. That hot lady, the gymnast from lsu, Livy Dunn. Oh, she was there with her boyfriend who looks just like Shane.

[Mark Normand]

Paul Skins.

[Sam Morril]

Yes. The baseball player. Yeah, he's like a hotter Shane, which is strange. But they were all back there. It's just a great time. Just doing the Garden is. Had to get my high five.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, I should have fucking pulled up. I think was on the road. Yeah, I should have. I wish I went to that.

[Sam Morril]

Look at that. Hachi Machi. Yowza.

[Mark Normand]

Tiny or is he just huge?

[Sam Morril]

Both.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, that makes sense. Gymnasts, they're always tiny.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, yeah.

[Mark Normand]

You don't need a lot of big gymnasts.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah, that's true.

[Mark Normand]

Weird.

[Sam Morril]

That's true. That's a sumo, I guess. But yeah. So Tulsa was great, but now I'm all. I'm all Flemmy.

[Mark Normand]

I was in Stamford, Connecticut all weekend, just running the hour at the club.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah, great club, by the way.

[Mark Normand]

The New York Comedy Club there.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

It's awesome.

[Mark Normand]

So one of my favorite basketball analysts comes out. Zach Lowe with the Low Post, the best basketball podcast. He's great. They did a.

[Sam Morril]

This is a peeve.

[Mark Normand]

It's a real comedy specific peeve. They set him right up front.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, that's a great feed.

[Mark Normand]

Luckily, they were laughing. I was like, here's a real tester because I have a WNBA joke. Let's see if he laughs. I'm like, all right. I got the laugh on that.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, nice.

[Mark Normand]

But it is annoying that you're like, did he like that one?

[Sam Morril]

Right?

[Mark Normand]

How am I doing with him?

[Sam Morril]

I know. And he's an analyst, so he's literally analyzing you.

[Mark Normand]

Morell had an off night.

[Sam Morril]

I've seen him play better. Yeah. Probably injured.

[Mark Normand]

That's a great little club, man.

[Sam Morril]

Great club.

[Mark Normand]

David Anthony DeVito. Shout out. His new shit is killer.

[Sam Morril]

Did he do the bit about Gen Z and social media and getting called out? He got. He went viral. He's like, I went viral in the bad way.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Sam Morril]

Everybody said I look like Jeffrey Epstein.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, it's a great one.

[Sam Morril]

That's a great bit. Yeah. 10 minutes long.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah. He's got so much good shit. He's got all this stuff, but his dad being in the mob. He's on an old episode. He talks all about it.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

Amazing old ep, if you haven't heard

[Sam Morril]

it, but old ep, old studio, great comic. But I want to say, with Robert Duvall, Norm MacDonald, here's my wreck. He did an interview with Robert Duvall. So those two together is, like, crazy. And he opens up, he's like, I just want to say, you're probably the top five actors in America. All this shit. And he gets some good. Some good moments out of Duvall.

[Mark Normand]

Fuck.

[Sam Morril]

Great interview.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah. I've never seen the Apostle. I heard that's an amazing movie he directed. Win Academy Award for that. He was nominated. He directed it, too.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Amazing.

[Mark Normand]

Crazy run of so many. But that movie, the outfit I said earlier that Bird told me to watch, it's like an old throwback, badass, kind of.

[Sam Morril]

I love it. That's right up my anal. But also, Jesse Jackson died. Rip shot.

[Mark Normand]

I met him once.

[Sam Morril]

What?

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Sam Morril]

Wow. Front row at your show. Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

Did not laugh. But, you know, I just saw him in, like, it was. That's a fucking Knicks game, like, many years ago. He was just in the room and he just. We both, like, locked eyes. And it was that weird moment where I was like, I just didn't know what to do.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah. You just see him.

[Mark Normand]

You're like, it's fucking Jesse Jackson.

[Sam Morril]

Give him one of these. I'm with you.

[Mark Normand]

I was like, yo, yo, brother. Yeah, he just came over to me and just walked over. He's probably just used to getting recognized. He Just walked over and shook my hand. Kind of a cool moment.

[Sam Morril]

Could have used that photo during blm. I'm a good one, guys. Me and Jesse hanging out at the Knicks.

[Mark Normand]

By the way, Jesse Jackson was standing next to MLK when he was murdered. Wow.

[Sam Morril]

That's a piece of history right there. How about that? Jeez, man.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah. Way to bring the podcast.

[Sam Morril]

Wow, look at that.

[Mark Normand]

Damn. Yeah, he's seen some shit.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. So good. Good to be back. I got a million peas. We got it. We got a fun guest, but looking forward to it. Yeah. A lot of people dying.

[Mark Normand]

Everyone's dying.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

No, I mean Vanderbilt, you know, it's crazy. You rewatch Varsity Blues? Paul Walker and James Vanderbeek, both dead.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, that's what I said. The fat guy still alive?

[Mark Normand]

Oh, yeah. We did talk about.

[Sam Morril]

We talked about it at lunch at the diner.

[Mark Normand]

Oh, okay.

[Sam Morril]

Is the fat guy alive? All right. All right, good. Because if he was still alive.

[Mark Normand]

Good, good.

[Sam Morril]

Well, just. The world would be off kilter. No funny.

[Mark Normand]

Life's unpredictable, buddy.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah, that's true.

[Mark Normand]

Just means Stav's going to outlive us.

[Sam Morril]

He probably will.

[Mark Normand]

He probably will.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

Oh, yeah. Long dead, I heard.

[Sam Morril]

Okay.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

He's dead.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Sam Morril]

Billy Bob. Oh, when did he die? Oh, wow. So he beat Paul Walker, is it Right?

[Mark Normand]

You win if you die?

[Sam Morril]

Well, you know what I mean. He outlived Paul Walker.

[Mark Normand]

Oh, okay. No, I don't think so.

[Sam Morril]

When was Walker? Ron Lester. All right.

[Mark Normand]

You looked at the character?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

The character's not dead.

[Sam Morril]

Okay. Oh, he got thin.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yeah.

[Sam Morril]

Hey, look at that. Well, I still got the fat cheeks.

[Mark Normand]

Wait, so is he or not dead? He's now dead. Yeah, but he got thin and then died. Yeah. That's fucking unfair.

[Sam Morril]

Do we know why, how? Or how?

[Mark Normand]

I'll do his wiki here.

[Sam Morril]

That's good.

[Mark Normand]

Anorexia.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

Hospitalized issues due to his liver and kidneys.

[Sam Morril]

Interesting.

[Mark Normand]

Could be drastic weight loss.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Damn, that sucks. How about that? All right, well, a Varsity Blues. Jon Voight, still kicking.

[Mark Normand]

Damn. Who would have bet on him?

[Sam Morril]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

Outlive everybody.

[Sam Morril]

I know.

[Mark Normand]

The evil coach won.

[Sam Morril]

Angelina.

[Mark Normand]

Movie. Dude. I dug that movie.

[Sam Morril]

Great movie. Love that movie.

[Mark Normand]

I love a good sports. A good sports. Young. Like, young, hungry kids. Badass.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah. When they're at that house party and they steal the cop car. Just. It's so fun.

[Mark Normand]

Khan, dude.

[Sam Morril]

Scott Khan.

[Mark Normand]

Holy Twitter.

[Sam Morril]

He's a handsome guy, that Scott Khan. I guess his dad was hot, too. Oh, yeah.

[Mark Normand]

Scott Khan.

[Sam Morril]

Ocean's Eleven.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah. And Casey Affleck. It's all. It's all nepotism, baby.

[Sam Morril]

I know. It really is. Even like with. You hear, Sophia Coppola obviously is Coppola's daughter. Yeah. But then Nicholas Cage is Coppola's cousin or nephew. Nephew. Crazy Coppola. Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

Change it to Cage that.

[Sam Morril]

We wouldn't notice. Yeah, we got you, dude.

[Mark Normand]

I. Speaking of Sophia Coppola, we watched Lost in Translation.

[Sam Morril]

Fucking great, great movie.

[Mark Normand]

First time I've seen it as a comic. The first time I saw it was when it came out.

[Sam Morril]

So, you know, what's that, 2010?

[Mark Normand]

No, it's gonna be like 23.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah. Wow.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

So, dude, that hits different as a comic, that, like isolation, just living in a hotel.

[Sam Morril]

Totally.

[Mark Normand]

You're like, total shit. I've definitely overspilled the strangers and vice versa. Because you're just. I can tell them anything.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah, yeah. So they tweet about it.

[Mark Normand]

You're like, I shouldn't have said that. I shouldn't have said that. What's the age of consent? I shouldn't have said that out loud.

[Sam Morril]

Different in every state. You might as well ask. You never know.

[Mark Normand]

Guy who knows every state. Nah, it's okay. Here, it's okay to make.

[Sam Morril]

Well, what is Mississippi? It's gotta be like.

[Mark Normand]

I think it's 14.

[Sam Morril]

Wow. I'm pretty sure it is 14.

[Mark Normand]

Chalicuce is hoping it's 14.

[Sam Morril]

Good place to go to college.

[Mark Normand]

Jesus Christ.

[Sam Morril]

I'm just saying because if you bang a 17 year old, it's like a cougar.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

16.

[Mark Normand]

That's okay. That is a child, dude. That is.

[Sam Morril]

That is very young.

[Mark Normand]

That is insane.

[Sam Morril]

I think it went up. I think it used to be lower, but.

[Mark Normand]

Really?

[Sam Morril]

Yeah, they're getting pretty progressive over there. You know what I would.

[Mark Normand]

One guy at the town hall meeting, like, we have to keep it.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah, there's always that guy. I will say, if I was Bill Gates or Bill Clinton, I would try to change Epstein's island age of consent. Oh, because you have. You have pull in the government.

[Mark Normand]

The age of consent was still. I don't think it was that.

[Sam Morril]

Is it. Is it American land?

[Mark Normand]

No, no, it's. My friend was just on vacation there and like near there, and he was like, I'm three and a half miles away from it. I'm like, that's weird.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, I've seen it.

[Mark Normand]

How do you pitch that shit to your wife? We got a great deal.

[Sam Morril]

I went on a booze cruise. I went. I went to St. John with the wife on a Little romantic vacay. We did a booze cruise. And they're like, that's Epstein's island. And I was like, oh, wow. We were like, right in front of it. Beautiful island.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yeah.

[Sam Morril]

I'm sure there's a bunch of girls waving us in. I was like, ah, we're good.

[Mark Normand]

Come on, honey. For the story. To tag your point, I think the problem with Epstein was location. Yeah. If he set the island up in Mississippi, he's in the clear. Well, there must have been younger than 16 with Epstein, right? Probably.

[Sam Morril]

Probably. Yeah, probably.

[Mark Normand]

I didn't read the files, but.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

Seems bad.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah. Yeah. Too long. They're very long, the files.

[Mark Normand]

Someone's doing the work for us. And they're like, look at this shit. We're like, yeah, what the fuck?

[Sam Morril]

Yeah, Right? Exactly. That's exactly what happens.

[Mark Normand]

But that's.

[Sam Morril]

I mean, I don't get the redacting. Why are we redacting? Like, aren't they criminals? I get rejecting the women.

[Mark Normand]

Redact the victims. Why are we redacting the people?

[Sam Morril]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

Because the government's protecting them, I guess so.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Matt.

[Sam Morril]

Hey, our guest is here. Gary V, everybody. Yeah.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Right into it.

[Sam Morril]

Step right in. It's like an orgy.

[Mark Normand]

We're on his podcast, too. Look at this.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Are we literally on?

[Sam Morril]

Yeah.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I don't understand the disrespect of having a Bills fan greet me. I'm very upset.

[Sam Morril]

Jets nut.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I'm a Die Hard. Oh.

[Mark Normand]

See, I'm a Giants fan, so I kind of pull for them.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

You don't even care.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

You don't even care.

[Mark Normand]

I was rooting for them in the playoffs.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I'm sure. Well, you beat them in one of the most important Super Bowls of all time.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah. You're a Die Hard jets guy.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Crazy.

[Mark Normand]

I feel bad for you, dude.

[Sam Morril]

Hey, what's up?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Say hi.

[Sam Morril]

Hey.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

That was weird. I hope you caught that.

[Sam Morril]

Go Jets.

[Mark Normand]

That's a tough life.

[Sam Morril]

You know, we got nine cameras here. You didn't need to bring one.

[Mark Normand]

By the way, our guest is Gary Vee, if you're listening. Sorry, we didn't even intro you.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I like the losing. I like the process. I'm serious. I grew up a huge.

[Mark Normand]

It builds character.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yeah. I grew up a huge Yankee fan and a huge Rangers fan.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah. And you get a taste.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

And after they won, like, it was. I stopped caring.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah. Don't you think we should give them a jersey? Just give the jets the jersey because we got the Giants.

[Mark Normand]

Oh, no, he doesn't want that. He's a fan.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I'M a Jersey boy.

[Sam Morril]

So you're from Jersey.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yeah. I'll be thrilled with the jets and

[Sam Morril]

the stadiums in Jersey.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Anyway, the Giants and Jets are New Jersey football teams.

[Mark Normand]

They play.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

They play and practice.

[Sam Morril]

That's what I'm saying.

[Mark Normand]

The only technically, New York team is the Bills.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

But, like, we all know this. I mean, everybody at home, we all know this. Buffalo is dramatically more Canada then it is New York.

[Mark Normand]

This is.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Then it is New York City.

[Mark Normand]

Very controversial. I didn't know we had an immigrant running our podcast.

[Sam Morril]

Please say sorry.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I think we know this, though, right?

[Sam Morril]

Like, I never thought.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I love when the Buffalo fans are like, we're the New York. And, like, the world views New York as not New York State. They view it as New York City. With. And I love my Canadian brothers and sisters.

[Sam Morril]

Sure.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

And I actually, you know what? I hate the Bills. But, like, I love the people of Buffalo. Like, it's a gritty. That's just real talk.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

But, like, with all due respect to my Buffalo brothers and sisters, you're dramatically more Canada than you are New York City.

[Sam Morril]

But by that logic, the Chargers are Mexico.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yes. I'm into that.

[Mark Normand]

Okay.

[Sam Morril]

I'll change the whole team. I mean, it's shorter. Players cockfight during halftime.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I'll take a cockfight.

[Sam Morril]

Halftime.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

That'd be good. NFL. That's the way they should do it.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah. Bad Bunny did miss out on the cockfighting. It was all supposed to be Puerto Rican culture.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

By the way. The Bad Bunny content that's being made that translates to what he said on Social right now is dominating. I love to, like, kind of just follow what is happening in pop culture.

[Sam Morril]

Sure.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Just the people that were like, he's such an amazing performer. But I think it's funny that now a lot of people realize what the words translate to.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, let's hear it. I don't know any of them.

[Mark Normand]

It's basically, like, sex stuff, right?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Well, it's not even, like. It's actually very mellow, but it's like, I have so many girlfriends. I have so many girlfriends. I told my auntie that I have a lot of girlfriends. What do I do with all these girlfriends? It's pretty basic.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

And it's been fun. Funny to watch people get into it.

[Sam Morril]

I love. Like, my mom is super liberal, so she has to be like, I love Bad Bunny. He's so great. I'm like, you don't know one song. I think he's saying, living la vida loca. Shut up.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yeah. We've definitely gotten sports oriented in Politics like blind. Like the jets can't.

[Sam Morril]

I hate it.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Like, I loved it when it was. Life was just sports that way. Like, I love sports where like, no matter here it is in English.

[Sam Morril]

It's truly.

[Mark Normand]

Because I never.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, wow. They did Hitler

[Mark Normand]

myself. And you should too. You really should also believe in yourself

[Sam Morril]

so much more than you believe me

[Mark Normand]

when I say this.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Trust me.

[Mark Normand]

Tell me, tell me, tell me.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Do what you wanted to do.

[Mark Normand]

It's like if you watch Parasite dubbed, right? Keep going.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

This is too good. Keep going. Hey, hey, hey. Fourth of July was the fourth of July.

[Sam Morril]

I'm with my drunk cousin.

[Mark Normand]

Good time.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

My people in the Bronx know what's up.

[Mark Normand]

Feeling high through Washington Heights I like better, actually.

[Sam Morril]

This is incredible because years go.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

By the way. By the way, this is all of

[Sam Morril]

our sound like Maga, but by the

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

way, this is all of our future.

[Sam Morril]

What?

[Mark Normand]

No, no halftime show, dude.

[Sam Morril]

Puerto Rican. What?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

You guys are going to enjoy your content in you speaking Mandarin more than English.

[Sam Morril]

Great. More fans.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yeah. You guys are about to explode. You know this, right? No, I see a huge future for you guys.

[Mark Normand]

This is his thing. He's really positive.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

No, no, I am positive.

[Sam Morril]

I love it.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

But I actually believe he kind of

[Mark Normand]

looks like if we each.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Which is a huge compliment because I find you guys very attractive. Real talk. This is the future for all content creators. Like, we're going into a wild era in the next 24, 36 months. A lot of, you know, I'm calling it the Hasselhoff AI rule Germany. Yeah, when we. Right. You guys are probably gonna explode in South Korea is my personal guess.

[Sam Morril]

My dick is huge in Korea.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Huge.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, but he means explode. I think we're really gonna explode in North Korea. That's the real gig. He's not gonna like our comedy if his dick's hu.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

South Korea. It's gonna explode in South Korea too. So, like, I think that we, a lot of us that produce content are gonna find ourselves building fan bases in places we never could have imagined.

[Sam Morril]

Yes.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Because all of our content will be. Will be done in AI in a manner where it's not subtitles, it's not bad dub like we see on Netflix. It will be perfectly AI matched. And right now, in fact, in the meta of it all right now, we are talking Portuguese and Korean, Mandarin and Russian. And I don't know, like, back to the way you guys look like Eastern European, like, Like, I think you could explode in Poland, I think is a good one for you guys.

[Sam Morril]

Well, he's a Russian descent.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

I know my ancestors exploded in Poland during World War II. I'm going to Poland, I think in September. I've never been. I'm really pumped to go for like family reasons or. No, just for gigs. I mean, we already tour that world, but I mean, have you gone anywhere where you're like, oh, I did not know people like me this much in this part of the world.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

The first one was I did a speech in Kuwait like a thousand thousand years ago, like 2007.

[Sam Morril]

Wow.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I was plenty small in America, let alone thinking that someone would know me in Kuwait. But for some reason, one of my YouTube videos went viral in Kuwait and I spoke there. I also curse like a true stand up comic on stage as a business talker. So like everyone scared me before I went there. Like, you're gonna fucking curse in Kuwait and they're put you in jail for all this propaganda. But that was the first time I was like, wow. Like, you know, I always believed in

[Mark Normand]

what the saddest reason to go to prison is. Just like, you gotta fucking believe in yourself, man. Like, sorry, you're going away forever.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

The fucking OGs in your guys game back in the day, that happened in America, let alone.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, Lenny Bruce, right?

[Sam Morril]

Oh yeah, the real cancel. Like, you know, like yell time.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I mean, just like really like, it's crazy. The evolution.

[Mark Normand]

This is a new standup is pretty new. That's the thing. It's, you know, comedy's been around forever, but stand up, the way we know

[Sam Morril]

it is new and American. Pretty American, you know, invented here, I mean, like by the Jews.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Most things like, like with real talk, like America's pretty unparalleled and unprecedented in the things that events.

[Sam Morril]

We got a couple of things. Yeah.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Invented everything.

[Sam Morril]

The car, the tv, flight, Internet.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

It's a pretty big deal.

[Sam Morril]

Jazz, stand up, the nuke, country nuke, basketball, football. Basketball, yeah.

[Mark Normand]

It's like love basketball.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I mean, what else do you want from us?

[Mark Normand]

That's why I met you at a Knicks game. You're a big Knicks fan?

[Sam Morril]

To Die hard, yeah. Yeah. Hell yeah.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I never think about what to wear. I'm like, you know what? I'm going to see him today. Oh, yeah, I'm going to fucking bring it. There's no reason not to bring positive vibes, which is exactly what I think this handsome gentleman did to me in reverse coming where this Bills thing, you

[Mark Normand]

just shamed him into taking it off. Holy shit.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

He's representing. Actually, you know what? This was the first year I felt all four super bowl losses for the Bills didn't feel bad. They were my four high school years. It was devastating. Being a Jets at four. You know, high school is prime fandom. If you're a maniac, it's the prime of the prime. You're old enough to know you've got enough downtime and you're a lunatic to like be all in. The Bills went to fucking all four Super Bowls of my high school years. Never felt bad that they lost. This was their window this year. Like, if you're a Bills fan, this was the one.

[Mark Normand]

I like Josh Allen a lot.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yeah, I hate him as the football player, but in real life, real talk, he's a great dude.

[Mark Normand]

I love watching him. He's one of my. He's probably my favorite to watch.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, really? What'd you think?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Aaron Rodgers, that whole thing, I'm still devastated about that. That. That talk about jets fandom. Like, that team won seven games without Aaron. Aaron coming off an Achilles at his age. The following season, the second half of that season, the jets put up fucking points. They fired Salah. Their defense fell apart because they were brilliant enough to make their defensive coordinator the head coach, which is not what you do in a football team. You always take like the running backs or line coach because you have continuity. But this moment is like, sums up the last 15 years. Watching my 12 year old at the time or 11 year old son cry when raring. When he sat right back down, right. Because he got up and then he sits down. And when he sits down, I just basically blurt out because I'm completely psycho. I'm like, he's out for the year. And start like losing my mind.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

And then I turn to the left. I mean, this is. By the way, this is where the Jets. I just want everybody to understand Jeff Bands, you're watching right now, one of the seven best moments in jets history.

[Sam Morril]

Wow.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yeah. This a man carrying a flag.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah, that's it.

[Mark Normand]

That's top seven. Because you like, I believe.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

And like. And then five minutes later after this, he literally stands up, sits down, and it's over.

[Mark Normand]

And it was the first play, wasn't it?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Third, fourth. Fourth play. Third play, Third play. Third or fourth play? I think the first play was a first down and it was second series. Former Bill or, you know, you know, like, it's just like, like what I. Yeah, here.

[Sam Morril]

Damn.

[Mark Normand]

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[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Protection breaks down and time runs out. Down goes Rogers in the sack for

[Sam Morril]

Leonard Floyd

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

and now hopping.

[Mark Normand]

I mean, that's impressive. Even though this year, and after spending

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

three years with the Rams, the former

[Sam Morril]

first round pick of the Bears and now Rogers sits there. It is really. Oh, Bills fan, we lost.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yeah, he did lose in a miracle win. Antonio Gibson as a rookie at the time, ran back a kickoff in overtime, but we really lost. You might have lost the battle, but we lost the war. And in reality, like, yeah, man, what do I think? I think that jets team makes the playoffs. Things are very, very different.

[Mark Normand]

I believe that because you win one with him, it's just like it should.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I mean, two years later, he's like, two years later, he's good enough to make a. A Steelers team, get to the playoffs.

[Mark Normand]

Do you feel like the jets are kind of cursed?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I don't really believe in that. I don't think like Namath, like the devil the night before the super bowl and like one and like he somebody. He someone for sure.

[Sam Morril]

Had zero interceptions this year, whole season.

[Mark Normand]

That's remarkable. Zero interceptions.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

No, no. The jets are the first team in NFL history. We just did it. We did not have an interception all season.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, wow.

[Mark Normand]

Oh, you. Oh, you didn't have an interception all season.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

We did not create. We on defense. Did not have an interception all season.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah, that's what I mean.

[Mark Normand]

That's crazy.

[Sam Morril]

Damn, that's bad.

[Mark Normand]

That's bottom of the barrel stuff.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

We are definitely like. Like, what's crazy is. What's crazy is in the late 90s, we went 1 in 15 and 97. Like, the jets were definitely like, boo. Like, and then really, when parcells came from 98, where we went to the AFC 96, we were one in 15 parcels. First year was 97. 98, we go to the AFC championship game. We go to two more championship games with. With, you know, Sanchez and Rex, you know, from 98 to 2011, in that 13 year window, we make the playoffs six, seven times. We go to two AFC championship games. We win plenty of playoff games.

[Mark Normand]

But Sanchez sold his soul or something to get to that AFC championship because. Because he just beat the shit out of some dude, right?

[Sam Morril]

Yeah, he got really.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I love.

[Mark Normand]

He must have made. That's like a version of Damn Yankees or something where Pull it up. Sold his soul. And then he's like, all right, but I got to beat the shit out of an old man now.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

But these right now, right now, though, the last 15 years, we've not made the playoffs in 15 years, it's the longest drought in North American sports. There's no team in hockey, baseball, football, or basketball that has not made the playoffs longer than the Jets.

[Sam Morril]

Worst Jet than Lolita Express.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

So, yeah, it's been. It's been rough, boys.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah. I'm sorry.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Brighter news. What about you guys? Like, from afar, if I may just give some flowers.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, God.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

It's been enjoyable to watch the growth over the last two, three years. It's been very obvious that the. This is bad.

[Sam Morril]

Well, we can't take compliments. It's weird. But, hey, it's good to have you at least. At least your son.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Thanks for having me.

[Sam Morril]

At least your son is into the team. Wouldn't that be more. More of a bummer if your kid hated the Jets?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yes, I'd be dead.

[Mark Normand]

Imagine. Well, by the way, real quick, the

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

truth is, he'd be like, there was no option.

[Sam Morril]

Right? Right.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

You can do anything in my family. You can't. You can't be a fan of the. Of a team that's not the Jets.

[Sam Morril]

Bills.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yeah, that would be, like.

[Mark Normand]

That would break my heart.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I went to College. My brother's 11 years younger than me. Best friend of my life. Started a lot of businesses with my brother. He actually runs a sports agency. Runs Vayner Sports, our sports agency. You know, we have Sauce Gardner, her cousins. Brandon Miller in basketball. Like, it's a big firm. He's 11 years younger. I went to college. I was 18. Obviously, I come home for that first Thanksgiving. I walk in, and he has a Barry Sanders jersey.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, boy.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

In his closet that my mom bought. I didn't even talk to him. I looked at him. Hug, kiss, miss you. Let's play video games after dinner. So happy to be. Back seat in the corner. No talk. Just grab it, take it out of the closet, bring it into my room, pull out the scissors from my desk, and literally cut it up. Whoa. That's my life.

[Mark Normand]

And what do you say?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

He was fine. He thought, like, I don't. He was seven.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, my.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

My mom was pissed. I was born in the Soviet Union. You don't throw out 13 cents of food, let alone cut up a $30 shirt.

[Sam Morril]

Sure.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

She should have. She was pissed.

[Mark Normand]

Damn.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

And it was the first time. This is like that college bravado.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

It was actually the first time I ever went back at my mom in my life. I didn't even think about disrespecting her.

[Mark Normand]

You cut up her clothes, too.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I was like. Yeah. I was like.

[Mark Normand]

Showed her who's Boss.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I was like, mom. I was like, not this.

[Sam Morril]

Whoa.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yeah, Mom.

[Mark Normand]

Cause you thought it was like, character building to do that.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I only understand why people hate each other in real life. Race, gender, religion. Only understand it. I think it is the craziest fucking shit. I'm so pissed at all of us right now. The fuck's the matter with you fuckfaces? Hating people for no reason other than different. But I do understand.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

That gentleman. It was weird what my chemicals did when I saw the Bills code. It was weird. I'm telling you. I brought up that nine times in the first two minutes. I can only better than if we

[Mark Normand]

had like a black producer and he's like, I don't know what happened to me, dude.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

I went. I saw red.

[Sam Morril]

He had a FUBU sweater. I cut it up.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Literally. I literally do. I literally can understand tribalism.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

In human race. Only through the lens of sports.

[Sam Morril]

Well, it's better through sports. I mean, that's a good way to channel it.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

That's.

[Mark Normand]

That's because it's not real. It's all.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

It's a game.

[Mark Normand]

It's fun. Yeah.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

When we're at the Garden and we're going to be psychos this summer.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

And when the Pacers. Well, not this year.

[Mark Normand]

We were at the Pacers game and they beat us again.

[Sam Morril]

Overtime.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I know. I saw you guys. I know that. No teeth.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I hate Indiana. What a shithole Indiana is. Reminds me of Buffalo, where the Klan started.

[Sam Morril]

That's right. I believe so.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Is that true?

[Sam Morril]

I might have made that.

[Mark Normand]

It's also where a whiskey is distilled, so don't.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

That I respect. But no, I actually love the University of Indiana, so I better not. Shit.

[Mark Normand]

Oh, dude. Yeah, Bloomington's great.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Great.

[Mark Normand]

I have a Hoosier.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I just hate the Pacers, by the way.

[Mark Normand]

No, it's the Pacers.

[Sam Morril]

I hate Tennessee.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yeah. It made no sense to me that it wasn't in the south on Christmas Eve. Congrats.

[Mark Normand]

There's some crazy KKK ties to Indiana.

[Sam Morril]

Thank you, by the way.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

By the way. By the way, this is remarkable. The fact that the KKK was founded on Christmas Eve is not talked enough about.

[Mark Normand]

That's hilarious.

[Sam Morril]

Very Jewish of them. They should be celebrating.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Wow. Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

The next day they had Chinese food. They're like, it's pretty good.

[Sam Morril]

What the hell?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

It's pretty good.

[Sam Morril]

Okay. Force. The powerful force based in the Indianapolis. There you go.

[Mark Normand]

Mark knows his racism.

[Sam Morril]

Thank you. Thank you. My dad's a dragon. Grand wizard. Sorry. So, yeah, I got A question, please. So you're a big hustle grind guy. You're good at Internet promoting. Getting the word out.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yes.

[Sam Morril]

I got a Netflix special coming out in one month. What is your advice? Or give me a pitch to really get this puppy out in the world. Because they make us promote it. These queefs sit on their ass. They got all the money in the world, but they make us do all the heavy lifting.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Queef.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

The word that most made me laugh in junior high.

[Sam Morril]

I'm excited that you try to bring it back.

[Mark Normand]

Ted Sarando's just pulled the special.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Do you have the rights to all the raw footage, or does Netflix.

[Sam Morril]

Not all of it.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Most. Not all of it. Right.

[Sam Morril]

I have a lot of it.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Now, when I say the rights, here's what I mean. And I'm empathetic because I do this for a living. Netflix would be hesitant because they have this theory that if you put out too much, people won't tune in.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, is that right?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

But I will tell you that the way to win on this game, please. Is to take all the footage from the show, chop it up into as many pieces of content, post it organically or.

[Sam Morril]

What do you mean, organically?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

That means you're just posting it on social without putting paid media behind it.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, okay, okay.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

That's an industry marketing term. Organically normals are just like, post it, post it. And if something hits, which it will because you're talented, you definitely have at least one good fucking moment.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, yeah, there's a couple.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

What do you think, 17?

[Sam Morril]

Well, it's an hour long, so I hope so.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

You 17. 31 good moments.

[Sam Morril]

All right, I'll take it easy.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

So in those 31 moments, you clip them up, you post them organic. Whichever one organically gets a million views. 500,000 off your baseline of 40,000, 100,000. I don't know your social enough to know what your baseline is, but anything that over indexes.

[Sam Morril]

I.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

If I'm. You am running thousands of dollars in ads against certain demos. You know the content of your special.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

So again, if you talk a lot of football stuff, you go in football fans. Like, there's a way for you to use ads.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

It's a couple bucks out of your pocket. But the upside's so worth it because you know this. If you hit those ads hard for the 3, 4, before it hits, and you really have that opening and the algorithm gets you to, you know, you get more tune in, which takes you instead of number seven, because you're going to fucking be in top ten regardless.

[Sam Morril]

Hopefully.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I think you're at that point in your career. I believe it. You'll be in there. But being 7 versus 1 and being 7 on top 10, Netflix for a half a day and then 11. And being off the grid versus being 1 for 48 hours changes everything for you.

[Sam Morril]

Okay, so, Gary, if I gave you

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

my phone right now, I would take

[Mark Normand]

it and said, can you make a video for Mark?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Like, yes.

[Mark Normand]

Lead him with a hook, get him

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

to say something to camera. Yes.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, geez. A lot of pressure, but he's up for it. Anyone who can do it, it's him.

[Mark Normand]

So here, make a video.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

You can use anything in the room.

[Mark Normand]

His face.

[Sam Morril]

Yep.

[Mark Normand]

Make him.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I'm gonna use my face because he'll get more views. Mark, why should people watch this special?

[Sam Morril]

Hey, it's a good special. A lot of jokes, very funny.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

That's not enough, bro.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, it's. It's gonna be world changing. I'll name all the Epstein people by name. I have all the names. I'm the guy who does the black marker, so I can tell you who's on him. Yeah.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Tune in Netflix now. Like, it's basically a lot of that kind of stuff.

[Sam Morril]

Right?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

But then again, but then again, it's that mixed in with when he made the Epstein joke. You put in a clip from the special and there's a little post production. Very easy shit.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Even in Cap Cut fucking Adobe. Like, you can do it. And here's the key of marketing in 2026. It's all social, organic. It's multiple accounts. Let me give you a real. I'm going very nerdy Instagram, TikTok, but I want to give you one that's gonna really work for you.

[Sam Morril]

Okay.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

If I'm you guys, you create a TikTok handle that doesn't exist yet. Arcs.

[Mark Normand]

Epstein's innocent.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

What's the name of the special?

[Sam Morril]

None too pleased untoupleased. Yeah.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

@marksnetflix special. Two new accounts and you're fucking posting organically there like crazy.

[Mark Normand]

Whoa. Got it.

[Sam Morril]

Wow.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

And again, here's the key. Here's the key. When it does.

[Sam Morril]

Well, he's cooking.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I didn't get here with my fucking looks.

[Sam Morril]

Even though, like, I'm gonna look like

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

you in eight years when it gets a lot of organic views that needs to be discussed. Do you put paid media behind it? Do you clip it and put it somewhere else? Like, what do you like the insights from knowing what hit? In fact, if I was a standup comic, which I secretly Why I want to hang out with these guys. I secretly. If you look at my business keynotes, I have that cadence, but I don't have this skill. But if I was cooking on my special or like, what I was really working, when I go in the lab, I know some of my most successful standup comic friends. They, like, really go off the grid. I don't know your guys. Process. I would be putting out shit. Not the whole thing, but using Social's AI relevance algorithms to my advantage to tighten up the shit. No matter how smart my fucking comic friends are. And they could sit there no matter how hard I try and play it in smaller clubs before I get to the prime time. AI algorithms and Social are better than fucking Conan's subjective opinion. Or seven shows in Calgary, Buffalo, Indiana, Tennessee, where not a lot of people are to get a feel for it. It's going to outpace it. So the combination of the new and I look at it like a barbell. I like the analog. I like going to the club and trying it out.

[Sam Morril]

Right.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I like that, sure. But I also like weaponizing this new digital world and putting out little pieces. Do both, because I think it's even more upstream. I think it. I think Social can actually impact the set to be even better.

[Sam Morril]

But don't you want to not.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

You don't want to explain.

[Sam Morril]

Okay.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

You're working on something. You're working on your next thing.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah. Taping. Taping next week.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Is that true?

[Mark Normand]

Yeah. Yeah. Tampa Amphitheater.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Okay, first of all, congrats. Fuck, man. If I just may, I'm just gonna do it for the whole genre. I'm 50. Like HBO standup. Like Andrew Dice Clay.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, that's all of it.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

My buddies all made fun of me in college. Cause Everybody came with CDs of music. I came with Sandler Jerky Boys. Richard Pryor, like, stand up for me is to watch what's happened.

[Mark Normand]

Those Sandler albums were, like, innovative, man.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Bro, what about the Jerky Boys?

[Sam Morril]

You're too young.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

How old are you?

[Mark Normand]

I'm 39.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yeah, I think you just. Maybe just a hair, like, maybe a decade above. I. I prank called people in 8th grade just because I'm like. I want to be like them. I just. It was the best. It was the best. And then to me, Richard Pryor, I know he gets. Thank God he gets the flowers. He gets. I think it's. I think he's even better than people. Like, truly, actually.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, yeah. Maybe the best of all.

[Mark Normand]

Peak is insane. I mean, like, live in concert and Sunset Strip are like, it's. It's just so different.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I feel like everyone's a weird derivative of him in some shape. Or it's that top of the tree. And obviously others, Carlin and Bruce. But nonetheless, here's how. If this was a week from now, your shit's tight. You pretty much know what you're doing.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, but. Yeah, but after that, I'll be a cripple for quite some time.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Respect. But I would say this the next one.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

When you're like in the earliest of stages, just thinking of shit. I think when you like, here's what I would do. I would try a lot of shit on stages in small places, film it and then like, really see if you can put little mini clips out and like you're gonna get a different response from 38 people, 57 people in Cincinnati than you might get from Coastal. You know, I don't have to explain what I'm saying to you. Use the algorithms to your advantage. Let me explain something to everybody that might be valuable for anyone who's listening. Small business owner, somebody's trying to pop off the algorithms, expose you, they don't change you. Everybody's algorithm is a complete direct correlation to what they're engaging with and searching and looking at.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah, but don't. You don't want to curate to the algorithm because that's going to change your voice.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Correct. It's actually the opposite. You're exactly right.

[Sam Morril]

Okay.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

You want to only do your shit post at scale.

[Sam Morril]

Wow.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Follow me.

[Mark Normand]

I know, man.

[Sam Morril]

A lot of posting.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I'll tell you why. When you're even writing or like, again, I don't know your process, but as you're putting together your next special, like literally right after Tampa, you're you. You know, it's gonna be another year, six months. I don't know your cadence. Right.

[Mark Normand]

Longer respect.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

18 months. Even when you're writing, even when you guys are jamming, you're fucking filming it. You guys laughed. It goes out. It fucking goes out. Like the whole. I would literally film every second from day one of like, fuck, I'm on the hook. Yeah. That's why he's filming.

[Sam Morril]

That's what he's doing literally every.

[Mark Normand]

Like, I basically, he's taking a shit later. He's like, let me get this. Let me.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Because get taking a. Gets views. With all seriousness note, I think if you film the whole process, put out lots of pieces, you can use it as a feedback loop. And here's the best part.

[Mark Normand]

Isn't it good to have Some mystery though.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yes it is.

[Mark Normand]

Cuz it feels like if you film everything, we're going to become a society of everyone just walking down the street. Like. And then I said that and you're

[Sam Morril]

just like, what the.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

But you know what the best part is? And I've, you know, we've all seen that like video and all that stuff. Yeah. But the fucking truth wins. Meaning we're not gonna be a society of everyone filming because everyone. Well, yeah, governments are gonna be filming everything that's done. Robots filming everything is done. Like surveillance state is real for our grandkids.

[Sam Morril]

The ring camera, it's got everything.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

It's gonna be way more than that. Like once China puts the thumb on the scale, we're gonna have to counter.

[Mark Normand]

But don't you think, like I feel like it's changed the way. I don't like that the way to meet people is through our phones now. Like, I miss eye contact. I can't get a fucking woman on the street to make eye contact. Drawing their phones.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

So. So prior you were just like, you really liked a good street encounter.

[Mark Normand]

I think, I think it was more organic, to use your word. Organic.

[Sam Morril]

I agree.

[Mark Normand]

No, and I kind of like that now it's like you want to make eye contact, you got to follow them in their hallway, you know, uh oh,

[Sam Morril]

easy, big like all the way down their hallway.

[Mark Normand]

I'm joking. But no, but now it's like everyone's on the phone.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

There's no.

[Mark Normand]

Because I think everyone's on these apps now. I think it's just harder to meet people now. Everyone's.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

It's easier and harder. Right. It's easier to meet than ever. There's so many people that were introverted.

[Mark Normand]

That makes it harder by the.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

There's plenty of people who are 60 right now saying shut your fucking mouth. I wish I had swipe right at scale. I would have fucking crushed. You know what I mean? Like, like there's plenty of people it would have been better for plenty of people that it's not as good for. But I would say to you, and you know this, like you're in control. You don't want to play that game. You don't have to. Yes. Are other people playing it? Yes. Are there plenty of people that agree with you both on the women and men's side at scale? In fact, it's very clear that the early trends are in place. That Gen Alpha, the young crew behind Gen Z, is in full agreement with you and going much more analog. Oh, there's 13, 14 year olds yeah.

[Mark Normand]

So until I bring a woman home and she sees a red light in my. In my room, and I'm like, gary, Vee told me to videotape everything. I got a videotape usa.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Gary, remind her that some of the most famous people became famous through sex tapes. She might think it's a good strategy.

[Sam Morril]

Chuck Berry did it. Yeah.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Chuck.

[Sam Morril]

Camera in the toilet.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

By the way. That is a crazy video.

[Sam Morril]

Crazy.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Guys, if you guys. I think he was the filmmaker.

[Sam Morril]

I don't. You're thinking in the bathroom of his bar.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Chuck Berries, though. I don't know. It. It might be better. But Marion Berries.

[Mark Normand]

Is he really have a sex day.

[Sam Morril]

He was a crackhead smoking crack.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

That's it.

[Mark Normand]

That's from. That's from a Chris Rock.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

This is cracked crazy.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, you can't do that at McDonald's. I know.

[Mark Normand]

The whole great special.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Oh, that's all you need to see. Keep hitting dismiss. Now.

[Sam Morril]

We had a scrub. Barry.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Unbelievable.

[Sam Morril]

Barry Sanders. I can't believe it.

[Mark Normand]

Anyway, how is it helping? How is it really helping your material? I think it's making your material worse. I think.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I think it's helping.

[Mark Normand]

Really?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yeah, brother. I'll tell you why. You're building so much more awareness. Like, you're gonna have so much more.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, here we go.

[Mark Normand]

What the is this?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Guys, this is. You have to understand this. 1990.

[Mark Normand]

He's the mayor.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

He's the mayor of D.C. whoa. This isn't the Internet era. There is no Internet yet. So, like, real footage is, like, rare to begin with.

[Mark Normand]

So he's filming this. Or she is. The cops are.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

He's literally in a hotel room smoking crack.

[Sam Morril]

Wow. Crap.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Right, brother.

[Sam Morril]

Yep.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

It was crack.

[Sam Morril]

It was definitely crack. It says crack bust now. Who is. Oh, this is in section actual.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

No.

[Mark Normand]

No.

[Sam Morril]

Okay.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

He was probably thinking that might be part of the equation, maybe added value.

[Sam Morril]

Who's this lady? Crack dude.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

The added value crack dealer.

[Sam Morril]

I guess so.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

The best part is the cops coming in.

[Mark Normand]

Holy.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

You guys are young. Yeah. Guys in your bedroom alone. You have no idea how insane this was.

[Sam Morril]

I remember this.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

There's, like, nobody. All these expensive over here.

[Mark Normand]

Come on, Hit the pipe. There it is.

[Sam Morril]

There we go. Hell, yeah.

[Mark Normand]

And now we got him.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Now there's trouble.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, that's good stuff. The Canadian guy was a crackhead, too.

[Mark Normand]

Oh, yeah. The one who looked like Farley.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

Ford Toronto guy. Yeah.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Wow.

[Sam Morril]

Swarm. Swarm.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Anyway, I think it's better got reelected,

[Sam Morril]

by the way, after that.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Sam, I think you can get a lot more awareness to who you Are. I don't think you have to give it away. I think there's really strategic ways also. I'll be honest with you. I would love to watch.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

This was wild. I forgot about him. Holy grace. Crack mayors, that whole genre.

[Mark Normand]

This is great.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

You know what they say, it comes in threes. I wonder which mayor joined.

[Mark Normand]

I hate that TMZ voice. If you want to see the crackhead mayor, I want to punch that voice.

[Sam Morril]

By the way, Harvey Levins in Epstein. He's all over the files. Yeah. Fun fact. Yeah, yeah, Pull it up. Play that video. Harvey.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Is that right?

[Sam Morril]

Yeah.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Jesus.

[Sam Morril]

I know. Everybody's in the files, including Jesus. No.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Okay.

[Mark Normand]

He came back just to go to the island here.

[Sam Morril]

It was great. He did have a lot of holes. He's like.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

This was the moment I was waiting for.

[Mark Normand]

Come again?

[Sam Morril]

He is risen.

[Mark Normand]

Harvey.

[Sam Morril]

Lev.

[Mark Normand]

That's a peers in the. Some reports indicate. All right, we have to say allegedly.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah, yeah. I'm not trying to get anybody in trouble.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

You better allegedly edit that.

[Sam Morril]

All right, what are you saying here?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

What I'm saying is, I actually would love to see the process of you working on a joke along the way.

[Mark Normand]

He's got a show about that right now.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, yeah, we're working on that.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yeah. So to me, seeing little clips, especially once the first one hits. I like it now it's in my feed. I see another version. And then when the special comes to see that you tweaked it a little bit, I actually think that's super interesting.

[Sam Morril]

Okay.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

And I think a lot of people would like that. I'm not asking you to put out the whole fucking special.

[Sam Morril]

Right.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

But I think. I think there's a way that yours. I guarantee, in fact, that you would have a better special if you did it this way, because you would have a much better read. This is why all of you were brilliantly doing this for decades, doing small shows in small areas to get a feel for the prime time. This is just the fucking dramatically scaled. I love this.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, see, I've worn this to nerd.

[Mark Normand]

No, no, no.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

This is smart.

[Sam Morril]

So this would be running the joke by other comedians, which is what you guys do. That's all we do. And no one ever has shown bad

[Mark Normand]

people have great aim.

[Sam Morril]

I just mostly was gonna make fun of Jews.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

Bobby flicks my nipple. I hate the nipple.

[Sam Morril]

Hate the nipple.

[Mark Normand]

We're too old for a nipple flick.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

We got into a very big combo the other day about pantsing.

[Mark Normand]

You guys do a joke about what are we doing?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Doing Pantsing is very. Pantsing was very big.

[Sam Morril]

I got pants in front of a woman in like seventh grade.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

A woman or, or a girl.

[Sam Morril]

In front of a girl. Okay.

[Mark Normand]

God.

[Sam Morril]

I just wasn't that cool.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

How to make sure it was going

[Sam Morril]

classmate but he pants more important if

[Mark Normand]

you know the other way.

[Sam Morril]

Tiny dick out the whole thing. Schoolyard. And it was like full on fist fight. Because I was so enraged cuz the humiliation. I kicked his ass. I jumped which was a big move back. I won. Yeah. I jump kicked him in the stomach. He went down and I really pummeled him with my little dick. But yeah, that was.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Did you use your f or just your dick?

[Sam Morril]

The dick didn't do any damage.

[Mark Normand]

Wedgies.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I will say pantsing was terrified me from 92 to 93.

[Sam Morril]

Oh yeah.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

And you remember the biggest moments. I I, I guess I'll say it. I hope her kids like ask her about it because it's just a funny thing now. I hope 32 years later. But like Michelle Lamonte got pantsed in like our main.

[Sam Morril]

A lady.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

A lady. Which was super inappropriate. And what year?

[Sam Morril]

What grade?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

1994. North Hunterdon High School.

[Mark Normand]

La Fontaine.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

La Fontaine.

[Sam Morril]

Pull her up. Maybe she's got only fans now at all in your future.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

She was a nice girl too. It sucked.

[Sam Morril]

Who pants is a lady?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Some jerk off probably like I'm trying to think who.

[Mark Normand]

I think she may be married and has a different name now.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yeah, that's probably right.

[Mark Normand]

Or she changed her name for another reason. Gary keeps telling this story on a podcast.

[Sam Morril]

I gotta change.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

She preempted. She was smart. She's a genius. She's like. I bet you someone will tell this story in 32 years ironically. Change my name.

[Sam Morril]

You have the loose lips. We're having fun.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

You guys are damn fucking good.

[Sam Morril]

But yeah, Charles Watney, he was the guy who passed.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I really, I really think that the process of the jokes and the pro the road to the stand up in social at scale as a promotion vehicle but also as a test bed for material.

[Sam Morril]

Okay.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I think makes both of you. And you guys are very legit in your fucking game. And for you guys I think your fucking special is better if you went psycho on that process.

[Sam Morril]

I love it. That's it.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I don't think you compromise it. I think there's ways to hedge. You know what the punchline is? You don't want to compromise.

[Mark Normand]

I get it.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

But I'm telling you it would fucking work. And I'm gonna tell you again. Your best friend comics you know, testing it out. It's tiny compared to the algorithms. The algorithms, the fucking world.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah, true that.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

And to your point, you're not compromising the content's finding its audience, which is building micro fandom to the punchline moment. It's like book sales, right? Everybody comes to me. I've done well in book sales.

[Mark Normand]

How many books have you written?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I've written seven.

[Sam Morril]

Whoa.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I have six New York Times best selling books.

[Sam Morril]

Whoa.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Only my.

[Sam Morril]

I'm listening.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Is that what you do when you're impressed?

[Sam Morril]

Yes.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

So I. I tell people all the time, like you're coming to me three weeks before the book's out. You're fucked.

[Sam Morril]

What do you mean?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

The promotion.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, the promotion.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Six months are like Bill, six. Yeah, bro. Like I'm telling you. And by the way, what do you think is happening? You guys aren't lost on this. Tons of people are getting specials just because they're doing social.

[Sam Morril]

Well, that's true.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

So what is that? That's years in advance.

[Sam Morril]

That's promoting yourself.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

That's it. Yeah, but again, I think there's. I. I'm glad that you two are deep in like. What you just showed me would be one of the few things I would consume on television.

[Sam Morril]

Me, gal, I'm just talking about me as a human.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

One of the few things I would watch is a show like that. Because I think the creative.

[Mark Normand]

The other one is crackhead.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Crackhead on camera TV Crackhead Mayors 4. I would. On the record, if you want one view, put out something called Crackhead Mayor's 4. The search for three. We're only on two right now. I always. Did you know that that was the Spaceball. No to name space. I believe this is true. Could have been myth and lore when I was a kid. When I was a kid, Spaceballs was my favorite movie.

[Sam Morril]

I love Spaceballs.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

And the rumor was Spaceballs was gonna come out. I know it's coming now. Finally. There was gonna be. It was gonna be called baseballs3 the search for two. Right in spaceball three. There it is. There it is. No, no. For two, there it is. Was.

[Sam Morril]

Yes.

[Mark Normand]

Wait.

[Sam Morril]

Cuz the search. I think it's the search for money.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

That's a tagline when I was a kid. Scroll down, scroll down. I think it was there.

[Sam Morril]

Funny tag plot.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Sweet. Spaceballs 3. The search for spaceball.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah, okay. There you go.

[Mark Normand]

We were just talking about the Mel Brooks doc because. Oh my God, by the way, Judd and Michael Bonfiglio killed that man. I loved it, dude. I mean it was a Wreck on the Pod Previously. So I just finished it. It's unreal. So funny.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

90%.

[Mark Normand]

Blazing Saddles is perfect.

[Sam Morril]

It's amazing.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Perfect.

[Mark Normand]

That is like.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

That is like.

[Mark Normand]

People say, like, you can't do this type of humor anymore. You really can't do that type of.

[Sam Morril]

Well, Dave Chappelle had the best line. He goes. They go, could you do Blazing Saddles today? He goes, you couldn't do it today. You couldn't do it then. But he could.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Sam Morril]

Which is so true.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

There it is.

[Mark Normand]

I mean, the Producers is genius.

[Sam Morril]

Producers is so ahead of its time. It's crazy. And it bombed in the theater.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Just super talent.

[Mark Normand]

Until Peter Sellers writes an open letter. Took me like, this is the best.

[Sam Morril]

Two pages. Two pages. That's.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

What do you guys think about AI stand up comics taking your money?

[Sam Morril]

I don't even know what it means.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yeah. So let's explain. You guys know. This is what you guys almost respect. There are writers that you guys know that are better than anyone, but they don't have the ability to do it on stage.

[Sam Morril]

Sure, sure. Yes.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

What about 12 years from now where that writer has creates an AI person that fully looks like a person? Because that's where this is all going. And they now are the money maker because it's actually their ability to get to the core of the craft, not the vehicle that delivers the information that gets the economics thoughts.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, but, like, a lot of the money's in live, so that. How does that work? Are they a hologram?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

They could. I mean, to your point, I don't think that's. I don't think that's not happening in your career time or at least towards the tail end. End. What's great about comedy, you can do it forever.

[Mark Normand]

But this is the drinking podcast. We don't have long.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yeah, you guys look great.

[Mark Normand]

We're doing all right.

[Sam Morril]

Well, I hear you on that, but as a porn consumer.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yes.

[Sam Morril]

If I see AI porn, I move along.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

You've already consumed AI porn and not realized it.

[Sam Morril]

There's no chance. I know La Fontaine's bush when I see it. We wi. We wiki.

[Mark Normand]

Search all the women to make sure they were really abused.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

And men, men, we are within 24 to 36 months where there is no shot that the human eye will know if it's human or really no shot.

[Sam Morril]

I don't know. Pretty good with a. With a labia. With a belly button. With a tit.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Nope.

[Mark Normand]

They should be complaining about losing their jobs. This is crazy.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Everybody's going to have to Go through this. There was a video that went viral this week about Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise fighting.

[Sam Morril]

I saw it.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Okay, guys, But Epstein's island, guys, It's. It's.

[Mark Normand]

That's where the fight was about.

[Sam Morril]

Is that right?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I'm telling you, this is like real shit.

[Sam Morril]

It.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

This is like, like, like, it's re. And. And to me, the reason I asked the question is I'm curious. It's interesting, right? Because where is the real art? Right? There's the cre, the creative, and there's the vessel that delivers it.

[Sam Morril]

Yes.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

And I think both are real art. Of course. Stage presence, cadence. Like, I'm obsessed with that. I rely on that for my career. But it is going to be interesting. There will definitely be a writer who is going to stand up a AI. Stand up comic that they own. They're. They're. They're Walt Disney. That's their Mickey Mouse. It just happens to look literally like.

[Sam Morril]

I think that's okay because at least a human wrote it. I'm okay with that. But it's when the AI starts writing.

[Mark Normand]

I think we're getting into murky waters here.

[Sam Morril]

Well, it's definitely murky, but I'd rather that than AI writing jokes.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

You know, what just happen.

[Sam Morril]

We're in trouble.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

We just expose who's more purist of the crap.

[Sam Morril]

At least the guy wrote it. Well when they start.

[Mark Normand]

Well, so now they don't have to perform it. Part of the. Part of the building the jokes is. Is actually performing and honing it. But you also make him less of a.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yes, but you also just said something earlier. You said, stand up's a new art. You know? You know, my favorite thing to.

[Mark Normand]

But to me, that's a shortcut to me. Part of what? Building the hour. The reason I've done nine hours a week leading to this special is to cut all the fat through trial and error. So to me, eliminating that process, it's not gonna be. It's just not gonna be as sharp. It's not gonna be as good.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Well, I'm.

[Mark Normand]

But I think that will probably show

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

in the work on the consumer side. It's gonna be better. Better.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

This is where it's going super quicker.

[Mark Normand]

Why do you sound like a fucking super villain right now?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

No, by the way, I'm actually posing this as, like, something that I think we all collectively need to talk about versus what I think everyone's doing, which is this. Yeah, Like, I'm actually going the other way. I'm like, hey, can we start talking about shit like I don't know if you know this, but talking things out matter. By the way, one of the great reasons you fuckers really matter to the world is you have a format and a style and a structure and a thing called stand up that allows you guys to fucking talk about shit.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

That others can't talk about because of this beautiful craft.

[Sam Morril]

Gonna tell the truth? You better be funny, Oscar Wilde.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

That's right. So I'm doing something similar, which is like, I'm in business and culture and advanced technology, and I am. I'm weirdly not concerned because I'm super bullish and optimistic about the human race. We figure things out, hopefully.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

But really there's.

[Mark Normand]

Where do you think you get your optimism from?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

My mom's. My DNA. Like a circum. Like, nature, nurture, you know, like, when you're born in the Soviet Union, you come to America, like, you're already grateful for everything. You know, like, everything's awesome. And then my mom was just. Is. Thank God she's still with us. Is a gangster of, like, what I would call practical optimism. I'm optimistic, but I'm a street Jersey immigrant kid. Like, I'm not delusional. I'm not, like, everything's gonna be okay. Like, in fact, as you probably know, because I have enough content out there, you probably stumbled on it. I'm the one that's like, stop being a bitch. And like, everything's your fault and like, it. You know, the optimism comes with accountability and truth, but there you go. And so, like, you know, every time you're impressed.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah, there you go.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

This makes me feel really good. So I think the farts, that's when you're really hitting.

[Mark Normand]

If you cross the line, he'll his pants.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

But it goes the other way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just. I just think that I got very fortunate with, like, circumstance and parenting, like, back to fighting, like Jersey in the 80s. And you guys know this. The other thing that I've always loved about comics and why I love the genre, the people, the craft is, like, being made fun of is the biggest. This term of love.

[Sam Morril]

Sure.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Like. Like, if we were in this culture when I was growing up, like. Like, I'd have all. Every one of my core best friends spent 97 of their time trying to think of how to make fun of me.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah. That guy who pants Mark really loved him.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah, that's true.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

You should actually send him a letter.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah, yeah. He's. I think he's a heroin addict now. So should we look him up? I Think I don't want to bother the guy.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Oh, you guys have a rivalry.

[Mark Normand]

He's gonna come.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

You guys might have a celebrity fight. Like, you should be on the undercard of Jake Paul's next.

[Sam Morril]

There you go.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Here, pull him up. You could make, like, 5 million.

[Sam Morril]

I don't want to out think.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

5 million.

[Sam Morril]

He could be a changed man.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

What about 5 million?

[Sam Morril]

Sure. All right.

[Mark Normand]

Out him.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yo, look, can we talk basketball for five seconds, please? Do you think we can win this title?

[Mark Normand]

I believe I like the moves at the deadline. I like Grand Theft Alvarado.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Oh, my God.

[Mark Normand]

I'm fired.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

A mini Josh Hart from New York. What?

[Sam Morril]

Puerto Rican?

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, we were fired up.

[Sam Morril]

Another fact about him.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Are you guys fired up?

[Mark Normand]

I'm fired up, dude.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I really. Can I ask you this as a diehard Knicks fan? How often every day, week, month, does it cross your mind of, like, we're set up, which means something stupid's gonna happen, someone's gonna get hurt?

[Mark Normand]

I don't think that way because it's been this long since we. We've been in contention. I think last year we should have gone to the finals and we fucked up. And that would have been, you know, 25 years. 20. I mean, it was 25 years since we made the Eastern Conference final. So to me, I was like, let's just fucking be positive. Let's just feel good about this. I love the team.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I mean, there are Brunson's amazing, but, like, defensively and he does so many small. And it's not his fault.

[Mark Normand]

He just got a rebounder, though, so.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Correct. It's like all these nuances. I feel like. Like, they're just. I. I agree. I, on the other hand, am like, man, I really think this is our year. And, like, fuck, you know, like, the Bills, right? Like, this was their year.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, right. The Chiefs just hear a gunshot off camera, just like.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Just like, you know, like, you don't want to miss that window.

[Mark Normand]

But the Pistons are tough.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yeah, man, they are tough.

[Mark Normand]

It annoys me.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I like that they've beaten the shit out of us, though.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I like this false bravado. I kind of, like, already have fully dreamed up.

[Mark Normand]

The Celtics did to us last.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Correct. I fully, fully have dreamt in game one, stunning them in Detroit and then being like, oh, fuck. And then, like, fucking taking the serious.

[Mark Normand]

I'm nervous.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I'm nervous, too.

[Sam Morril]

I'm nervous, dude.

[Mark Normand]

They're very tough. It sucks to go against a tougher team in the playoffs, but we are more skilled, I think.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

But they're tough.

[Mark Normand]

They're tough.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

They're tough. I respect them.

[Sam Morril]

How far out in Jersey did you live? Like, did you get to come in the city and go to games and all that?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

No, that was more just because we were fully immigrant life. In high school, I did. In high school, I did. But I lived in Edison.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, okay.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

So I lived in Edison, New Jersey, not far from where Kat grew up. And it was awesome. Like, I. Another thing that I think makes me love people is I got very fortunate with the diversity I grew up with. I went to Martin Luther King elementary School in Addison, New Jersey, and we had like the crazy. I looked at my second grade picture. Yeah, thank you. I love this fucking. This is the best part of the show.

[Sam Morril]

Google bitch.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

We had crazy diversity. I was there with the big Indian immigration era. Look at that school, by the way. By the way.

[Sam Morril]

Was that it?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I was the president of the school in fifth grade. I'm feeling feelings right now.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah. Wow.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I was depressed.

[Mark Normand]

Did you have to run against anyone?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

You do anything? I did get any campaign ads. You know what? In hindsight, I used to feel proud of myself. And then I realized something. Not too long ago, it was a three person race. It was me versus Kim Delakey and Kristin Diane Foster. I don't remember. But it was two girls and me. So I won the full boys vote. 5th grade. I won the full boys vote.

[Mark Normand]

Women, they're temperamental.

[Sam Morril]

They can't.

[Mark Normand]

They can't decide what's for lunch.

[Sam Morril]

They can't lead.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

How the. Did you know my opening line of my speech?

[Sam Morril]

I'd be scared to give a speech to the mlk.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

What do you mean? Alumni?

[Mark Normand]

She sounds a little cranky. Sounds like she hasn't eaten in a while.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Oh, which one?

[Sam Morril]

At that time of the month.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I like this.

[Mark Normand]

78 to 83.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Wait, did Jessica Alba go to my school?

[Mark Normand]

I didn't.

[Sam Morril]

She would have won.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

She would have beat me. Yeah, no, that's Thomas Edison in Florida. Anyway, so I grew up there. Like classic 80s Jersey fucking childhood. But no, I didn't get to go to games. Cause we didn't spend money on things like that in the beginning. And then my dad went from being a stock boy and owned a small liquor store in Springfield, New Jersey. And a big thing happened for me in my favor. My dad was part of a co op because all these stores were small, they couldn't buy a full page ad in the Star Ledger themselves. So they built a whole co op. Everybody would chip in. And then they were able to Buy ads. And my dad was in charge of the beer that would go in every week on sale. So the beer people would want to hook him up because they wanted their beer and Mads. So Miller and Coors and they all had seats. And so when I was in high school, I was able to. I was able to go to. I was able to go to a lot more Knick games and Ranger games.

[Sam Morril]

I was a.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

You know what? The 92 Rangers is prop. Look at that guy. Look at that Yankee shirt. Look at that cutie.

[Sam Morril]

I would molest him. Look at that. That's adorable.

[Mark Normand]

You wouldn't laug of the day on that island, buddy.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

All right, I'm impressed with that. Look at those. Look at these y, bro. I was a big Yankee fan. That is cute. That one's cute.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah, that's a dope.

[Mark Normand]

That one's really 85. Look at that, huh?

[Sam Morril]

Boy, oh, boy. Jared Fogel is calling.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

There's my real face. Oh, wait, scroll. That one right there. Yeah. Oh, no, they edited it.

[Sam Morril]

Look at that sweater. That's 80s, baby.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yeah, baby, that they edited. If you can find the real version, it shows my interest. I wonder if there's a version of that. Oh, actually, there's my second grade class. Class. There is to left.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, here.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yeah.

[Sam Morril]

Holy.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I want you to focus. Look at this diversity. There is Indian, Asian, black. Look. Look at. Look at that.

[Sam Morril]

This will be all Indian today, by the way.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Correct. That is like, I was there when it really exploded. It got even crazier, but there it is. This is wonderful diversity.

[Sam Morril]

Sure.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Michael Wong right there. Jonathan Cador. Boy.

[Mark Normand]

Wakil Shaw looks like Sarah Sherman in the bottom.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I'm in with my two best friends, Dave Jennings and Rashawn Courtney. Is that here in the middle? Yep, that's me in the middle with a little pink.

[Mark Normand]

That's my.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I mean, pretty much.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, this is you here.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yep, that's me.

[Sam Morril]

Look at that.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Brian Chen right below me to the left.

[Sam Morril]

Wow.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Ricky. Diane. Next time. Her name was Ricky Ann Rickety.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah. God damn.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

All the way to the far right. All right, that's Marissa Bird, May she rest in peace. One of my best friends. Tomboy. She passed from cancer 10 years ago, unfortunately. But I love that her name was Marissa Bird because she loved Larry Bird. And she literally was like the third best athlete, boy, girl included in the class.

[Mark Normand]

Who's this dork?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

That is Mike Sakochi. Really dorky kid. Really? He was dorky all the way through.

[Sam Morril]

He took his own life eventually.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I hope not. He was A nice kid, but he was super dorky.

[Sam Morril]

Sweet boy.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Kazadoi. Michael Wong, right there. I brought him up recently. Smartest kid in our house.

[Mark Normand]

This is good content right here. Let's go through name by name.

[Sam Morril]

Anyone else hard.

[Mark Normand]

We have literally the king of content here is like. And over there and over there.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I'm enjoying final point. To your point. Let's move on. But I gotta say this. We're gonna Michael Wong in the red. Yeah, we did a neck the year after this. We did.

[Sam Morril]

Is that it with the camera?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Michael. Michael Wong.

[Sam Morril]

If you can see it, we did

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

a clown last vote for the 84 presidential election. And Michael Wong was the only kid in the entire school that voted for Walter Mondale.

[Mark Normand]

And his reasoning, his campaign was, he's Wong for the school. Don't vote for him.

[Sam Morril]

He's Wong. I don't want to be white country.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Everybody voted for Reagan. Every single kid in the school voted for Reagan.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Fun fact, everyone. Who's listening? Reagan won 49 of 50 states in 84.

[Sam Morril]

Wow.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Seems insane now, right?

[Mark Normand]

Lose his own state.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

No, he won his own state.

[Mark Normand]

He won his own state.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Okay, Minnesota. And Michael Wong. This face. Look at this face. He, at nine years old, explained in deep analytical truths why Mondale was the right choice.

[Sam Morril]

We call that autism today. But any days, the guy goes by his own.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Actually brought him up the other day. For the first time in 30 years, people found him on LinkedIn. He's crushing it.

[Sam Morril]

Good.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

He's like some lawyer executive.

[Sam Morril]

He's got balls. He went the other way. You guys, all intellectual.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Monster.

[Sam Morril]

Monster, yeah.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Michael Wong.

[Sam Morril]

There you go. Yeah, he went. He went his own way. That's. That's commendable.

[Mark Normand]

Actual monster does sound like a slur for an age.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

By the way, I got something for you guys.

[Mark Normand]

These intellectual monsters, they're taking over tech, man.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I want to back to bringing good content. I got something for you.

[Sam Morril]

All right.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I gotta wait for you guys to make millions. I think both of you should start doing live social shopping. Oh, do you guys know about this?

[Sam Morril]

This is.

[Mark Normand]

This makes it sound hateable.

[Sam Morril]

I'll take the black dildo.

[Mark Normand]

You guys are previewing which. Which one's good for dandruff?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

You guys have crushed. You guys have crushed. You guys have crushed hate ability already. You're good. You're over the line on that. Watch this.

[Sam Morril]

But look how this is so stylized and big production. She's got a conveyor belt. That's a green screen.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

It's a green screen. And some intern is just Handing her shit.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, all right.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Now, this is the extreme in China 10 years later. But you men should create a product product and start doing live shopping where you're cat.

[Sam Morril]

Yes.

[Mark Normand]

Whiskey.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah. Sell our whiskey. You sold booze for years.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, we do. But shout. I think we do you. Yeah, Yeah, I think so.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

So I will super support you. Do you guys want to do an event in Wine Library?

[Sam Morril]

Yes.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yeah, I'll get thousands of people there.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, I will do a sale.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

You guys will promote and get like 15 to 20 people there. Oh, I'll promote.

[Sam Morril]

That's pretty good for us. Hey, hey, that's content right there. Gary Vee has been sober 12 years.

[Mark Normand]

What do you think?

[Sam Morril]

It's got a nice spice. Yeah, it's a hell of a rye.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Guys, you did a nice job.

[Sam Morril]

Hey, thank you.

[Mark Normand]

You know what?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Kudos. You know, usually you want some water or anything when. When celebrities make something, we're not that. That's exactly what I was trying to say. Celebrities. When celebrities make something, a lot of times they'll put a private label on some horseshoe and they try to pedal. It was really prominent in the 90s, early 2000s. That's really good stuff.

[Sam Morril]

It's quite smooth.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

What's the suggested retail of something like that?

[Sam Morril]

39.99.

[Mark Normand]

But yeah, online it's like 45, I think.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Respect. We had, like, at Wine Library In Springfield, New Jersey, by the way, we'll probably be 29.99 because we discount everything. Hey, but seriously, if you guys have a Jersey distributor, I'd love to support you and do something meaningful.

[Sam Morril]

Wow. We would be honored.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I'll take f. This is why. This is why Train's here. By the way, his name's Train.

[Sam Morril]

Train. Careful, I ran one of you.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I'll take a shot of this. We'll do something proper. I'll help you out because that's. That's. It's really good, man.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, I thought it would be Springfield Edison, Bring the Indians.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

But on a serious. On a serious note, I really think live shopping, some comedian. Some comedian of your general ilk, call it tier 1.5.

[Mark Normand]

Sure.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Right. Maybe not the top five. You guys are in that next one.

[Mark Normand]

It is to them.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yeah, it's QVC on TikTok on. It's coming to all the platforms.

[Mark Normand]

I know it may work, but don't you think it's bad?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

No, I'll tell you why. And I'm starting to see a theme with you.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, that.

[Mark Normand]

I'm gonna want my shit to not suck ass.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

No, that's why I like you.

[Mark Normand]

Okay.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

That you think that everyone defaults into sucking ass.

[Sam Morril]

Right.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

There's genres, and to your point, 99% do it poor. I was about to make that point earlier. The reason the world's not gonna have everyone doing is cause they're not gonna get views. Cause they're not good enough. Like talent actually matters.

[Mark Normand]

But do you believe that the cream always rises to the top?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I do, but I do really, I do believe. Well, more now than.

[Mark Normand]

By that logic, the best filmmaker ever is like, Michael Bay.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Great. So a couple things. The best commercially, right? And to your point, not in the old world. I'll tell you what I love about social in comedy talk. I believe many of the comedians that are doing well right now would have had no prayer if the Internet didn't exist.

[Sam Morril]

I agree with that. But are they good or are they just out there a lot?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

The question becomes who gets to decide what's good? People who decided?

[Mark Normand]

Because everyone gets decided.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Correct. And so the market is the market is the market now in Hollywood, I don't think that's true because people subjectively decide what films go in. That's a small sample size. And it has to play out. They're gatekeeping. And by the way, I'm not mad at them. It's the nature of what we grew up with. Yeah, Only so many screens. Like, I get it. I love when everyone's like, fucking like Superman 9 or we don't do new franchises and then they get pegged to be a superhero. And they're like, this is the best amount of people that have shitted on the Marvel Universe only to then get $10 million to be a new superhero. And they love it.

[Sam Morril]

I would do it in a second.

[Mark Normand]

I got pegged to be superhero. It was painful.

[Sam Morril]

Painful, Captain Peg. But yeah, no, that's. It's a good point.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

You guys were so, like. That was so fun to watch. The fact that you two look alike and are in the same exact place. Mentally.

[Sam Morril]

Our periods are synced fully, right? Fully. It's a heavy flow day.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

On a serious note, what superhero do you think you play?

[Sam Morril]

I could be like Ant man or something, you know, something minor. I couldn't be Iron man or Superman, but I could be a douchey, you know, loser superhero to be superhero. That's true.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

You guys are keeping it together.

[Sam Morril]

Captain Apathy. We'd be something, you know, anyway. The listener, I. I think the diddler.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I think that to your point, 90 of the content, I can tell you right now, 99 of the content on live shopping is what you would hate.

[Sam Morril]

Right?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

It's just, yeah, low budget qvc. If, as if QVC wasn't like, like low budget QVC comma, there are people that are starting to figure out something I believe in called commerce tainment. Let me tell you why I think you guys would crush. You guys actually know how to entertain if you took a step back and you understood what you were selling. Alcohol's a little tricky. You know how that is with American laws. But let's just say this was non alcoholic and it was 40 bucks. Now you got a product that has a good AOV average order value, it's 40 bucks. If you guys did a show where, you know you're live selling and you want people to buy, but you also want to entertain them. My belief is that knowing your talents from afar, that I know that you guys would figure out how to make that mix. And then now you're putting out an hour piece of content where you're interacting with your fans, which, by the way, both of you on the record should do more of.

[Sam Morril]

Mmm.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

You guys going live for 15 minutes pre or post, like, by the way, before I came on, or after, just going live on TikTok, where they're just gonna send you random people because you're in the for you page, would make you guys much bigger.

[Sam Morril]

We should try that. I mean, he'll feel. He'll film it. We don't want to do anything.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

No, but you understand, right? And by the way, you guys could do it again. My greatest strength is I've got just enough percentage points of what you guys do for a living that I've been able to break out. I'm a businessman who just happens to have a personality that is a little bit more engaging. But my biggest strength for sure is I've got improv capabilities. I can roll. When you go live, your greatest strengths shine extra when you go live on Tick Tock. Unlike when you go live on Instagram. When you go live on Instagram, it pings your fans.

[Sam Morril]

Yep.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

And then, you know, because you've probably done it a couple times, like it starts with a couple hundred and then there's like 12 people now.

[Sam Morril]

Yes.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Because it only pings once and people.

[Mark Normand]

It's like an orgy.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Respect.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Tick Tock's the reverse.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

By the way, this man deserves a raise.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, really?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I'm being dead serious. This gentleman.

[Sam Morril]

Okay, we're going. Oh, we're doing a lot. We're doing it now. Now.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

What are you Live on Tik Tok. Great. Beautiful.

[Sam Morril]

I don't even know we had a Tik Tok account.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Let me tell you why this is important.

[Sam Morril]

You see, this is where I give up. Right there. I already give up.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

You're fired now. But you'll be. You'll be rehired.

[Sam Morril]

He is risen.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

What you're about to see is super important.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, God.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

And this will help both of your specials get bigger, too.

[Sam Morril]

Okay, let me.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Let me play with it. TikTok has the for you page.

[Mark Normand]

Yes.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

They want live to grow, so they're throwing lives into people's for you page at a higher propensity. The people that are about to show up on this may not know any of the three of us.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah, no clue.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

It's random people. But random people's no different than having a Netflix special. And they're like, let me try it.

[Sam Morril]

True.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

So you're getting distribution for free. No one's deciding at Hulu, Amazon, Netflix, or anywhere else that you get on. And this has the potential audience that's greater than any platform in the world.

[Sam Morril]

I hear you. Can I ask a question, please? What do you think about a little thing called overexposure?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I believe that that is a old Hollywood concept. That because we live in such a fragmented world, that nobody has overexposure. And with all due respect, men, neither one of you are overexposed.

[Mark Normand]

Well, I have a question to go off. What? Mark says, look at someone like Sydney Sweeney, who is so famous and all that.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Correct.

[Mark Normand]

Don't you feel like people kind of turned on her for a while due to overexposure?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

No, I think they turned on her because we're in a politically charged world. And there was a couple different instances. And good news, both of you are highly capable of having people turn on you.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah, it's already happened. Yeah, I've been called a Nazi many times. I don't even have tits.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

You understand?

[Sam Morril]

I think so.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Overexposure is 1987. Nobody's that big.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah, there's.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

There's tons of people that you think are. Do you know how many people have no idea?

[Mark Normand]

We're just very self conscious about putting too much out.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Guys. I know, because you're in the perfect age where you're confused by this because you're just old enough to hold on to yesterday's years of distribution.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah, but what I feel like everybody. We're boring these people already.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Not boring these people. Can you please explain to these handsome men that you are not bored? Please explain to them that you are not bored?

[Sam Morril]

I'm bored. I don't want to see this ugly mug. Look at these Brillo pads floating around.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

So men like Chappelle, right?

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Like Kevin. Kevin Hart. I'm going to use him. Kevin Hart.

[Sam Morril]

Already exposed.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Ready. Not overexposed on the data. Over exposed. On your subjective opinion, based on yesterday's rules, you would. How many people have no idea who the. Kevin Hart.

[Sam Morril]

No way.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Okay.

[Sam Morril]

Come on.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

All right.

[Sam Morril]

He's pretty popular.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

He's as famous as it gets. And when he goes on a twitch stream with a young streamer, half the room is like, who's this?

[Sam Morril]

Really? Show speed. Or one of those guys. Right size and that.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I'm proud of you.

[Sam Morril]

I think I got that.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

That's Kai.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah. We're too old to be superheroes.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

This is a big deal, especially for you guys personally. Like, real talk outside the pod. Seriously. Before a Nick game or if we were hanging. You guys are in a very interesting spot. Cause you're. And by the way, I don't know you dudes. I have no idea of how much bigger you want to get. You might be fucking pumped exactly where you are.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah, this is not bad.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

But real talk, there are definitely strategic executions that put you in a different stratosphere if you want it, because you have all the elements, all the ingredients. It's about playing the distribution and awareness.

[Mark Normand]

I'm gonna call my agent. Like, I should be bigger. He said real talk, damn it.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

But you know what I mean.

[Mark Normand]

No, I. I mean, there's stuff we want to do. I think we're kind of patient. We wrote a movie. We're gonna film it. I think it's like, yeah, by the way.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

All of that.

[Mark Normand]

Like, maybe we'll hit you up at the Promoting the movie. I feel we were doing this without something like, push, you know?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Bro, you'll love this so much, I couldn't understand what the fuck you're saying. More makes all the sense in the world. I would also say that if you actually gave me three hours to explain it in detail. It's not the ick that you think

[Sam Morril]

it is, but there's a little thing called mystique. Don't you feel like some guys have mystique? And you go, oh, I wonder what they're up to.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yes.

[Sam Morril]

But you see them every three years and they blow your mind and they go away again.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yeah, I. I couple things. One, I don't think you're playing that game.

[Sam Morril]

Okay.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Like, I don't think you guys are. I don't think you're doing every three years make 50 million.

[Sam Morril]

No, we're definitely.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

So you're not playing that game.

[Sam Morril]

Two.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I'm telling you, the attention of society's fragments.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, we lost all our listeners in this episode.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Especially because I was pointing to Michael Wong for an hour. You know, I ruined you guys.

[Sam Morril]

We lost the females with the bills talk too.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yeah, for damn sure. But that, that's.

[Mark Normand]

We don't have any female listeners.

[Sam Morril]

I guess that we had one trans.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

You understand it's not as

[Sam Morril]

strange.

[Mark Normand]

You've turned him into like. He's like a mini me version of you now. That was like a Norman autistic, like trans.

[Sam Morril]

Trans brain. Brain insane, man.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

You were dangerously close to the next tier if you wanted it. And I think there are some tweaks. And more importantly, why I'm really ranting this, you guys. I'm really proud of. You guys are crushing. There's a lot of people listening right now who are junior versions of you who really need to hear what the fuck I'm saying.

[Sam Morril]

I hear you, but there's also. There's a lot of work. Because once you do this level of work, you got to keep it up. Then you have no life.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

No, you don't have to do anything. Anything.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, that's what I've been trying to say. I don't want to do anything.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

But you understand you could do it for six months. You decide it's too much. You could go to Africa for a month.

[Sam Morril]

What am I, Chappelle?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

That's exactly where I'm going. I use Chappelle as the example. You can do whatever the you want.

[Sam Morril]

I'll go to South Africa.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

You know what I mean? You know what I mean, brother? You like. Like this whole thing, like you're fully in control. I'm asking and wondering, does this crew. I mean, he's ambitious.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah, well, he's broke.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Makes sense. I. I feel like you. It's cool to know how much you guys are in charge and like where you can go. Like again, I come here out of like real joy because you guys are in the sweetest spot that I think a career can be in where you have optionality. And if you're romantic and I'm. And. And I think it's strategic that like. No, no, I want to go down this path. We're going to write film. Like that makes sense to me.

[Sam Morril]

Sure.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Like, it's definitely the game that you guys watched happen before you.

[Mark Normand]

We had fun writing it together. I think we're gonna have fun making

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

it I mean, now you're talking about the realest shit. Anything that I'm saying, that's not fucking fun. Fuck it.

[Sam Morril]

All right, all right. Like, this is not.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

This is not about. You have to.

[Sam Morril]

I like that.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

This is. You should consider if you want XYZ to happen.

[Sam Morril]

Yes.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

And back to the Chappelle reference. If you get, like, if you followed it and it goes to a place financially, brand awareness, opportunity, and you're like, actually, this is this, then take your foot off the pedal.

[Sam Morril]

But it's nice to hear. We're watching you. This is like watching Walter White make meth. We got you on here and you're. You're doing your thing.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yeah, I like making meth.

[Sam Morril]

That explains your face, which you share.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Very simple. Remember, this is like, we've established that we all look enough alike that any diss is a dis on your self. It's a mirror.

[Mark Normand]

We all have this Eastern European face. For sure.

[Sam Morril]

For sure, man.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Thank you for having me on.

[Mark Normand]

No, it's been awesome, man. We appreciate it.

[Sam Morril]

That was amazing.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, I mean, anything you want to plug. Oh, look at the talkers and doers.

[Sam Morril]

Baby get on his Instagram.

[Mark Normand]

On the right is Chris Brown, by the way.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Nah, man, I. Honestly, this was very selfish. I've been enjoying watching you guys execute over the last five years. I'm a real fan of, honestly, the whole genre and kind of this modern comic with all this optionality. And I think you guys do good work. And the Knicks fan thing really matters to me.

[Mark Normand]

Dude, everyone on my team is a big Knicks fan. And like my lawyer, my agent, I'm like, that's important to me.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Do you like the Knicks?

[Sam Morril]

Yeah.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Like, you're good that way, right? And why, Bob, you grew up there. Respect.

[Sam Morril]

There you go. But I've been watching you for years, man. I've been watching you before I moved to New York, before I did comedy all over YouTube.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Thank you, brother.

[Sam Morril]

Hey, you got it.

[Mark Normand]

Good to finally talk to you.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah, dude.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Thanks, man. Bye, everyone.

[Mark Normand]

So, really, I'm adding a bunch of stuff, guys, but I'm also going to take a little time off the road after I tape this special. So come see me in LA. Netflix is a joke fest. May 7th at. I can't read where I am.

[Sam Morril]

Right there.

[Mark Normand]

The United Theater on Broadway. United Theater. I'm with Jordan Jensen, Joe List, and Rachel Feinstein. Be a really cool show and it's gonna be great. And then I'll be in Lisbon the end of August. But, you know, all of this is. I'm gonna add a few more things. I'm probably gonna do another Europe tour. Different places. I hit them last time. But no, I'm gonna keep it. Kind of like I need to live a little. I need to create the new hour.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

As Chris Rock has said to us, you gotta. You gotta live life to have to write about.

[Sam Morril]

Take the foot off the gas.

[Mark Normand]

Take the foot off the gas a little. And then hopefully we're filming a movie.

[Sam Morril]

Hopefully.

[Mark Normand]

Hopefully.

[Sam Morril]

God damn, it takes forever. These execs. All right. Buffalo, New York, that's gonna sell out. So come on by. Go build. Portland, Maine. Already sold out. Providence, Rhode Island. The Veterans Memorial. Auditory. One of the great theaters. Love that town. Theater. Sorry about the shooting. Kentucky. Lexington. Love this club too. Comedy Off Broadway. Fort Lauderdale at the Improv. Dania Beach. And Chattanooga. We just added the Walker Theater, which is a great theater. I love that town. Chattanooga, Great city. Good nights in Raleigh. Going back to the clubs. I'll be at the Comedy Store in the Netflix Fest as well. Well, and what is that? Ontario. New Nouveau. Brunswick in Canada. Spokane and Philadelphia to name a few.

[Mark Normand]

I. I haven't plugged this in a few weeks. Get back on track. The threesome tracker. I have not really tried. I got to get back out there. I've been busy. I've been busy running this. This special I've been living in.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah, we got to get on and keep us posted.

[Mark Normand]

I'll keep you posted. As Gary Vee said, Page Stage is a great idea. It's available on Punch Up Live.

[Sam Morril]

That's true episodes on there right now.

[Mark Normand]

You can go get it for like three bucks each.

[Sam Morril]

That's a good point. The Epstein specials up there. And get some bodega. Been in the liquor game for 30 years. So tell a friend.

[Mark Normand]

See you guys next week.

[Sam Morril]

I got a piss.

[Mark Normand]

Me too.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Sunday's the day for my next bender.

[Sam Morril]

A bit of piva wreck. You know, the fear juice. Close.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I've had a little. A little too much burping. And Norman's talking shit about the fucking poke.

[Sam Morril]

And I get down in the same

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

way up on the roof like a cops coming and naked Samuel is feeling dangerous. I'm out to lunch here in New Orleans.

[Sam Morril]

This woman doesn't look like I remember her. And I get down in the sand way

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

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