Jessica Kirson

Summary

Podcast Summary: "We Might Be Drunk" – Episode Featuring Jessica Kirson

Release Date: August 4, 2025

Produced by Gotham Production Studios, LLC

In this engaging episode of "We Might Be Drunk," hosts Sam Morril and Mark Normand delve deep into the multifaceted world of comedy with special guest Jessica Kirson. The trio navigates personal stories, the intricacies of touring, handling hecklers, and societal changes, all while maintaining their characteristic humor and candidness.

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1. Jessica Kirson’s Journey and Coming Out Story

The episode kicks off with a heartfelt introduction of Jessica Kirson. Mark Normand shares a memorable story about Jessica’s experience at the Gotham Comedy Club:

• [00:32] Jessica Kirson: "I went to Gotham Comedy Club and I wasn't out yet. The minute I walked in, Judy Gold was like, 'Hey, you big dyke.' It was so uncomfortable."

This incident highlights the challenges Jessica faced while coming out and the unexpected support—or lack thereof—from fellow comedians.

2. Navigating Labels and Acceptance in Comedy

The conversation shifts to the evolving landscape of sexual orientation labels within the comedy community:

• [01:21] Mark Normand: "That was my way of being like, I'm okay with it. I don't give a shit."

Jessica emphasizes the importance of self-acceptance over seeking approval from others, noting:

• [01:20] Jessica Kirson: "It's about you and how you feel about it. It's not that other people are okay with it."

3. Handling Hecklers: Personal Anecdotes and Strategies

A significant portion of the discussion revolves around dealing with hecklers and maintaining composure during performances. Jessica recounts a particularly intense encounter:

• [14:28] Jessica Kirson: "I snapped. I saw red. I said, 'Don't you ever fucking talk to me. You probably treat her like shit.' The crowd heard it all."

Mark Normand shares a similar experience, detailing a confrontation that escalated on stage:

• [16:29] Mark Normand: "I was holding the microphone while a huge guy was trying to heckle me. I had to manage the situation without letting it ruin the show."

Jessica and the hosts discuss the delicate balance between standing up for oneself and maintaining professionalism, acknowledging that such moments can both alienate and endear them to the audience.

4. Touring Tales: From Clubs to International Stages

The trio delves into their touring experiences, sharing stories from various venues and countries:

• Jessica Kirson talks about performing in theaters and the unique challenges they present compared to clubs.

• Mark Normand recounts a harrowing experience in Bridgeport, Connecticut, where a heckler became physically confrontational:

  • [27:05] Mark Normand: "He stood up and started walking toward the stage. I just walked off and ran."

• Joe List shares his experiences at international venues, including a sex club in Berlin:

  • [54:02] Jessica Kirson: "I was at a sex club in Berlin, and things got wild with pools and swings. It was a trippy experience."

The discussion highlights the unpredictability of live performances and the diverse environments comedians navigate across different cultures.

5. Coping with Bombing and Developing On-Stage Personas

Jessica Kirson opens up about her methods for handling performances that aren’t going well:

• [11:03] Jessica Kirson: "When a joke bombs, I turn around and engage in an inner monologue persona. It helps me stay present and keep moving forward."

Mark shares his approach to acknowledging when a set isn’t working:

• [12:13] Mark Normand: "It's a mix of self-confidence and self-hatred, but it emerged from years of therapy and personal struggle."

The hosts discuss the psychological toll of comedy and the importance of coping mechanisms to sustain long-term careers.

6. Personal Lives: Relationships and Family Balances

The conversation briefly touches on personal relationships, with Jessica introducing her partner, Sarah, and discussing her background:

• [66:21] Jessica Kirson: "My partner Sarah grew up Hasidic and couldn’t come out until she was in her 20s. She’s now a therapist and has written a book about her experiences."

This segment underscores the intersection of personal identity and professional life, emphasizing the supportive networks comedians build outside the spotlight.

7. Peeves and Everyday Annoyances

Towards the end of the episode, the hosts and Jessica share their pet peeves, transitioning from personal experiences to relatable everyday frustrations:

• Joe List: "I hate when people criticize something I didn’t do, like delays with Uber. It’s frustrating to take responsibility for something beyond my control."

• Jessica Kirson: "People using speakerphone in public spaces is incredibly rude and invasive."

• Mark Normand: "I can’t stand when strangers act condescendingly, like asking 'Are you okay?' when it’s obvious they're just projecting their stress."

These light-hearted exchanges provide listeners with humorous yet relatable insights into the comedians' daily lives beyond the stage.

8. Upcoming Shows and Europe Tour Excitement

The episode concludes with an enthusiastic discussion about upcoming performances and tours:

• Mark Normand outlines his extensive tour schedule across various U.S. cities and Europe:

  • [87:31] Mark Normand: "Barcelona, Lisbon, Dublin, and Berlin are next on my list. Can't wait to hit Europe again."

• Joe List shares his excitement for shows, mentioning highlights like performing in Amsterdam and upcoming specials:

  • [88:57] Joe List: "I'm heading to Athens next. Comedy in Greece is something I’m pumped about."

• Jessica Kirson promotes her new Hulu special titled "I'm the Man," expressing pride in her work:

  • [85:03] Jessica Kirson: "I have my new Hulu special called 'I'm the Man.' It was executive produced by Bill Bird, and I’m really proud of it."

The hosts encourage listeners to check out their shows and follow their tour dates for more comedy content.

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Notable Quotes:

• Jessica Kirson [00:32]: "Judy Gold was like, 'Hey, you big dyke.' It was so uncomfortable."

• Mark Normand [01:21]: "That was my way of being like, I'm okay with it. I don't give a shit."

• Jessica Kirson [14:28]: "I snapped. I saw red."

• Mark Normand [27:05]: "I was holding the microphone while a huge guy was trying to heckle me."

• Jessica Kirson [11:03]: "When a joke bombs, I turn around and engage in an inner monologue persona."

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Conclusion

This episode of "We Might Be Drunk" offers an unfiltered glimpse into the lives of professional comedians battling personal and professional challenges. Through Jessica Kirson’s candid storytelling and the hosts’ shared experiences, listeners gain a deeper understanding of the resilience and adaptability required in the world of comedy. The blend of humor, vulnerability, and insightful discussions makes this episode both entertaining and enlightening for those aspiring to enter the field or fans eager to learn more about their favorite comedians.

Transcript

[Mark Normand]

All right, well, we're here with Jess Kirsten, man.

[Joe List]

Oh, yeah?

[Mark Normand]

Yeah. I told a girl we had you on today, and she was like, I love her.

[Jessica Kirson]

That's so nice.

[Joe List]

Yeah. All right. What do you think of Zoran? Just joking.

[Mark Normand]

I like that you. But we were off.

[Jessica Kirson]

Everybody mobilize. The end.

[Joe List]

Sorry, what were you saying?

[Mark Normand]

I was just saying I like that story you told us before we were rolling, where you said, yeah, you rolled into the.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah, I went to Gotham Comedy Club and I wasn't out yet. And the minute I walked in, there were a ton of comics there, and Judy Gold was like, hey, you big dyke. And I'm like, who? Oh, my God, she outed you? Yeah, she did.

[Joe List]

That's pretty.

[Jessica Kirson]

And then I fingered her. It was so uncomfortable.

[Mark Normand]

Did it give you a nudge to come out, though?

[Jessica Kirson]

No, it just. It just happened when it was the time, you know, the time was right.

[Joe List]

Sure. I did the same thing to Sam Jay.

[Mark Normand]

Then he fucked her.

[Joe List]

Yeah. Weird. Then he fingered. Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

I had a friend in high school who I would, like. He was clearly gay and he was a friend, so I'd always, like, call him a homo. Trying to, like, nudge him. Like, come on, just be gay. And it didn't work.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

It doesn't have the effect. You're like, I was trying to do it in a friendly way.

[Jessica Kirson]

Right. You know, because it's about you and how you feel about it. Like, it's not that other people are okay with it.

[Mark Normand]

Sure.

[Jessica Kirson]

But my family was fine.

[Mark Normand]

That was my way of being like, I'm okay with it. I don't give a shit.

[Jessica Kirson]

That I know. But he was probably not okay. I mean, was he very feminine? Yeah, he was like a. Like, not.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, I didn't. I didn't use that word, but.

[Jessica Kirson]

No, I can.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Joe List]

Comedy. Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

No. Yeah. He.

[Joe List]

That's what Bezos Calling Eating out girl. He's. He likes boxes.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah, he does.

[Joe List]

That's a bad Amazon joke.

[Jessica Kirson]

But you just bombed.

[Joe List]

I ran. But, yeah. Wait, what was I gonna say? Oh, it's weird. Do you feel like the time has shifted where 10 years ago or whatever, you hide the lesbo. Now people lie and say they're lesbians. Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

Now they're like nine years old. They're like, I'm gay. You're like, you don't know what sex is. You don't know anything.

[Jessica Kirson]

I'm attracted to my Barbie. Yeah. Everything you guys say, I laugh at.

[Joe List]

I'm a very good guest to be Amazon joke.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. That was horrific.

[Joe List]

I'll tweet it.

[Mark Normand]

Luckily, they take returns.

[Jessica Kirson]

A lot of girls will say they're. Because they say this on stage. Like, they play with someone's hair and they're like, I'm. I'm a lesbian. I'm bisexual. I'm like, no, you're. But, you know, it's a new thing. It's good that some people are exploring, because I think a lot of people years ago would have sure. Explored it and.

[Joe List]

But then. I agree. But now you got to acknowledge that, hey, it's not that oppressive if you're wanting to be that.

[Jessica Kirson]

Right.

[Joe List]

But they will never do that.

[Mark Normand]

The Gay Pride parades come a long way because, you know, it's all about acceptance. And you think about, like, the history of Stonewall, and I was going out, and all my straight friends were like, be careful out there.

[Joe List]

Oh, yeah.

[Mark Normand]

You know what I mean? So I was like, all right. I mean, there was a shooting, I.

[Joe List]

Guess, still, but there was a shooting. Yeah. This Sunday.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah. We should talk about that. The whole. What were they afraid would happen to you? Because it is wild. I don't know. I will not go to the park.

[Mark Normand]

I think not. They're not, actually, but it's like, just people just so drugged out. Any practice is a nightmare. The Halloween parade is a nightmare. The same Santa.

[Jessica Kirson]

It's not a parade, but when the Santas are out. Yeah. That is rough.

[Joe List]

That is.

[Jessica Kirson]

You just see, like, seven Santas passed out on the street.

[Joe List]

Yes. That's the Gentile parade. Is this Sant? It's.

[Mark Normand]

It's like St. Patty's but without any historical relevance. It's just like, let's get hammered and wear an outfit.

[Joe List]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

I mean, it's kind. It does seem fun.

[Joe List]

It's fun. The girls get into it, too. Cleavage, Mrs. Claus are out there whoring it up.

[Jessica Kirson]

Oh, yeah, that's true. How come I don't see them around?

[Joe List]

They're out there. Look at parades.

[Mark Normand]

You just gotta know not to go out.

[Joe List]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

You just gotta know to, you know.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah. I can't go to big gatherings anymore. I just. It's too much for me, like, being around all those people. I just can't.

[Joe List]

It's.

[Mark Normand]

Ironically, I was telling people on the Gay Pride parade, don't come out.

[Joe List]

There we go.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Joe List]

Yeah. But that's how it used to be. People would say that with Harlem, too. They'd be like, watch out, Harlem's, you know, 110. That's a good little. Gets a little dicey. And you're like, well, it's Just black. It's not dicey.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah, right.

[Joe List]

Yeah, but that's what people would say.

[Jessica Kirson]

Most people are racist.

[Joe List]

You in this city, you, you.

[Jessica Kirson]

Oh, yes. I mean, against one group or another. Not just black people. I'm saying. I mean, everyone is a little bit.

[Joe List]

Right, Right, right, right, right.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah.

[Joe List]

It is funny how black has the market cornered. If you go, that guy's a racist, you assume he hates black people, but it could be Native Americans, Chinese, you know, Indian.

[Jessica Kirson]

White people.

[Joe List]

White people. Yeah, we'll forget about that one. Yeah, there's a lot of white hate out there.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Joe List]

All right.

[Mark Normand]

I just hate parades, man. I just hate them. They're just brutal. I guess if you're like a little kid, they're kind of fun for a second. But how long can that even stimulate a kid at this point?

[Joe List]

True.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah. I mean, it's Thanksgiving Day parade, the floats. Right. But I feel like kids would swipe it if they could. You know what I mean?

[Mark Normand]

With all the stimulation on your phone, does it even excited? Like, when I was a kid, I guess I thought it was cool for like, a second.

[Joe List]

Sure.

[Jessica Kirson]

My kids like the Thanksgiving Day, like, watching it online.

[Joe List]

You got Woodpecker. You got a big Pikachu going by. That's fun.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah.

[Joe List]

I mean, I went to market.

[Mark Normand]

You got actual Chris Christie walking around.

[Jessica Kirson]

They love the Nazi float. There's a Nazi float, which is a Nazi float.

[Joe List]

Okay. Is that a big cyber truck? No.

[Mark Normand]

The way things are going, I believed you for a second.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah, I know. It really was. Believe. You guys were like, wow, is there.

[Joe List]

It's coming.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah.

[Joe List]

But, yeah, I went to Mardi Gras as a kid, but I loved it because you get. You get thrown things. So that changes.

[Mark Normand]

Mardi Gras is like a once a year thing.

[Joe List]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

It's like, you know what you're in for. Mardi Gras is different. It's New Orleans.

[Joe List]

It's tits out. You get beads. You know what?

[Mark Normand]

That's the big difference. Tits are out.

[Joe List]

Tits help.

[Jessica Kirson]

If there were more tits out at the gay, gay.

[Joe List]

That's true.

[Jessica Kirson]

Parade.

[Joe List]

That's true.

[Jessica Kirson]

There's a lot of different kinds of tits.

[Joe List]

That's true. They're all over.

[Jessica Kirson]

There's one tit, there's.

[Mark Normand]

But it's like a Where's Waldo thing. You got to really work for it, you know?

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah, I know.

[Joe List]

I mean.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah, it's.

[Joe List]

That's true.

[Mark Normand]

There was a protest back in the day down by nyu, and all the women were topless. And it's like, that's a good That's a good plan because you. You stop and see what the protest is.

[Joe List]

Yeah, true.

[Jessica Kirson]

Mark, what did you eat for lunch? Because that burp reeked.

[Joe List]

Oh, sorry. What? A sloppy Joe.

[Mark Normand]

What?

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah, I feel like I just was.

[Mark Normand]

In a free lunch in a high school cafeteria.

[Joe List]

I'm not allowed near there.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah, I feel like pickle just flew past.

[Joe List]

Oh, sorry.

[Jessica Kirson]

It's okay. I don't care.

[Joe List]

I thought Jews like pickles.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah, well, I'm not Jewish anymore, people, so I converted.

[Joe List]

Oh, smart. You got out like a Rosie o'. Donnell.

[Mark Normand]

I want a sloppy Joe now. It sounds kind of good.

[Jessica Kirson]

See, I have. Sloppy Joe is different to me, I think, than it is to you.

[Joe List]

Huh?

[Jessica Kirson]

Is it? Because sloppy joes where I grew up in Jersey.

[Joe List]

Yeah.

[Jessica Kirson]

Are like turkey, Swiss, Russian, and coastal.

[Joe List]

Oh, it's the best.

[Mark Normand]

That sounds amazing.

[Jessica Kirson]

Sandwiches. Rachel's had them. They're amazing.

[Joe List]

They're called the Rachel.

[Mark Normand]

I thought.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah, there's. Well, there's ones called the Rachel. I are the ones with turkey and. And they're hot. But these are like a thin slice of rye bread. And they're. They come as a big square cut into.

[Joe List]

Little different.

[Jessica Kirson]

It's unreal. And then you can get, like, corned beef, you know, Russian, Swiss and koslaw. You can get egg salad and tuna.

[Mark Normand]

Salad sauerkraut on there.

[Jessica Kirson]

I'll get you guys some.

[Mark Normand]

I'm a. I'm all about. Dude, I went to this place a la Antique by the cellar. Have you been there?

[Joe List]

No.

[Mark Normand]

The sandwich spot. Pull that shit up, dude. It's like.

[Jessica Kirson]

That's the sloppy Joe, by the way.

[Joe List]

That looks great.

[Jessica Kirson]

It's their high.

[Joe List]

Oh, I'm in.

[Jessica Kirson]

Y second one.

[Mark Normand]

Definitely not the slob I was picturing. Just like the ground.

[Jessica Kirson]

That's the exact sandwich I'm talking about.

[Joe List]

Wait, what'd you want To Allah? Was it a Muslim joint?

[Jessica Kirson]

Is that what it's called?

[Mark Normand]

No, All Antica. It's like, it's. Dude, it's. It's a. It's like a sandwich joint that originated in Rome, but now it's all over the world and it's popping up in New York.

[Jessica Kirson]

I never heard.

[Mark Normand]

They're massive. They're like this big. It's on, like, focaccia type bread.

[Jessica Kirson]

Oh, my God.

[Mark Normand]

Prosciutto, mozzarella, basil oil. It's unreal. And everyone's like, go over there. I go over there, I eat the whole fucking sandwich. I did your four sets. I wanted to kill my. He's just watching me. He's like, you're gonna eat all that? I was like, I think I am.

[Joe List]

That's great. I'm in.

[Mark Normand]

I want.

[Jessica Kirson]

I know I want it. Where is it? Where is it?

[Mark Normand]

On Sullivan. It's right by the cellar.

[Joe List]

All right, all right.

[Mark Normand]

There's usually a line, I think, but I went, like, right as they were closing. I lucked out.

[Joe List]

I'm in. Allah. What the hell are you putting in?

[Mark Normand]

I. It's antika. A la antika. No, no h. No h. It's Italian, not Muslim.

[Joe List]

There we go. It'll be Muslim.

[Mark Normand]

No, no, no. One word. Antika. Yeah, you got it.

[Jessica Kirson]

Imagine if the whole podcast was trying to spell this restaurant.

[Mark Normand]

That looks.

[Jessica Kirson]

Oh, yeah, it says Italian sandwich.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, it was good.

[Joe List]

Okay.

[Mark Normand]

I dug it, dude.

[Joe List]

Oh. Oh, it's a chain.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, those look good.

[Joe List]

That looks.

[Mark Normand]

Dude, it's insane.

[Joe List]

I'm in.

[Mark Normand]

You know, it was a good chain back in the day. Remember Cosi sandwiches around.

[Joe List]

They closed.

[Jessica Kirson]

There was one by the Old Gotham. I used to go there.

[Mark Normand]

I go all the time, dude.

[Jessica Kirson]

Amazing. Their skunk was amazing.

[Mark Normand]

That bread was legit.

[Jessica Kirson]

It was. It was like they had the best bread.

[Joe List]

It was an upper Panera, almost.

[Mark Normand]

It was like a nicer Panera, like a.

[Jessica Kirson]

In, like, a little white sleeve thing.

[Mark Normand]

I loved it.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah. I used to my face with that.

[Mark Normand]

Oh, I loved it. I love you. I love your bits. When you're on stage and you're just like. And you're just like you. Did you do a thing? I'd never seen another comic do you.

[Jessica Kirson]

A lot of people copy it now.

[Mark Normand]

A lot of people copy it.

[Jessica Kirson]

Oh, yeah. You'll just be talking to yourself, like, I just saw some guy.

[Joe List]

That's flattering.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah. I mean, not to. I'm not telling you the name, but someone did it at the Cellar, and five comics called me. And then one of them was, like. Called him and was like, you know that you're stealing Jessica's. He's like, I had no idea it was a guy. Yeah.

[Joe List]

Whoa.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah. It's so obvious. I've been doing it for 20 years.

[Mark Normand]

What he didn't know?

[Jessica Kirson]

I don't know. But it's like anyone's gonna say that's Jessica's thing. When I turn around and talk to.

[Mark Normand]

Myself, you turn around, you talk. It's like your inner monologue. And it's like sometimes you're spiraling, and sometimes you're like, I'm gonna fuck a sleeve of Oreos with my face and stuff like that. But it's almost more fun.

[Jessica Kirson]

The guy in the front is not your father.

[Mark Normand]

But it's almost more fun to watch you not connect with the crowd. So I get to see more of that character.

[Joe List]

Same time. True.

[Jessica Kirson]

It only works when I'm not doing well. Or a joke bombs. That's the only time I used to. When I was first doing it. Like, I be doing great, and then turn around and, like, everyone's like, what the fuck is she. Because it's. I'm like, it's okay. You chose this business. No one made you do it. You know, you ate a bag of Tostitos. It's not a serving of corn. You're a liar. Like, I'll do a whole thing. And then I turn around and they're like, why is she trying to, like, motivate herself or pump herself up? Yeah, we like her. But when I'm bombing, it's comics die.

[Joe List]

So is it bittersweet? Like, on your Hulu special, you're killing, but then you feel like, can I do the voice thing if I'm killing?

[Jessica Kirson]

I did it once when a joke didn't.

[Joe List]

Okay, well.

[Jessica Kirson]

But I did it. I. You know, you go over your set, but then. Do you keep the joke in the special 500 times?

[Joe List]

Yeah.

[Jessica Kirson]

And I had my whole set, and then I did a joke that I did a punchline that he told me to do that I knew wasn't going to work, and I did it, and then it bombed, and I turned around. I'm like, you shouldn't have listened to him. You knew that joke.

[Mark Normand]

You did it on the Tonight Show. Yeah, I love that.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah. Yeah. I don't give a shit anymore.

[Joe List]

Yeah.

[Jessica Kirson]

You guys know what I'm talking about. Nothing means anything in this business. Like.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, I know.

[Jessica Kirson]

Oh, my God. You got a deal. I'm like, yeah, it won't go through. Fine. It's more money, but it's not. Yeah.

[Joe List]

So true. I mean, you just see that tonight's show offer. You set the set in. They're like, it's a little dark. And you're like, all right.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah. I'm not trying. I'm not trying to.

[Jessica Kirson]

You don't need.

[Mark Normand]

I'm not trying to neuter a set at this point. We've talked. Yeah. We've talked about this shit to death. But, I mean, yeah, it's kind of a beautiful thing that this character you came up with, like, this gear you can shift into came out of bombing.

[Joe List]

True.

[Jessica Kirson]

I did it for the first time when I tanked and I hated the crowd.

[Joe List]

Yeah.

[Jessica Kirson]

And I'm like, none of these people matter. They can never do what you're doing. You know, they all hate themselves. Like, you know, it's. It's. It came from that, but it really came out.

[Mark Normand]

It's a mix of, like, self confidence, but also self hatred, which is what I like.

[Joe List]

Yeah, it is.

[Jessica Kirson]

It's both.

[Mark Normand]

You're right.

[Jessica Kirson]

But it came from being in therapy for so long. My mom's a therapist. You know, like, it's all that. That psychological.

[Joe List]

Well, you need that comics really get. Yeah, you need that bombing to pull something out of you sometimes. So as horrible as it is, it actually gave birth to this great.

[Jessica Kirson]

What's your big thing when you don't. Aren't doing well.

[Joe List]

Well, that's where I got comedy. Because I was bombing so much, and I was like, this is comedy. I'm doing comedy. Like, I had to remind them, like, I'd say an offensive joke, and they were like, jeez. I'm like, I'm joking. I'm a comedy.

[Mark Normand]

When I do my own thing, I go, humor. You know, this is humor. No, I usually just let them know I know it's not going well. I'm like, I don't want anything. I suck and I'm not self. Aw. So I just let them know this is not going well. I'm aware. So I, like, I try to turn it through, like, bonding over how much we both don't like each other.

[Joe List]

That's good.

[Jessica Kirson]

I used to just get really angry. I'm sure you did. When I was.

[Joe List]

Of course.

[Mark Normand]

Because you're doing so many bad shows that you. You're like a rabid dog. You're just ready. You're like a dog that's just getting hit. So you're just, like, ready to fucking attack. Even nice crowd sometimes.

[Jessica Kirson]

I know. Yeah, I used. They don't get you quick lazy on people.

[Joe List]

Oh, yeah.

[Jessica Kirson]

Years ago. I don't do it anymore. Unless it's like.

[Mark Normand]

I think I saw that back in the day.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah, I'm sure.

[Mark Normand]

I'm sure. You know, we've all seen each other, like, spiral a little.

[Jessica Kirson]

I told this story on Birbiglia's podcast, but it's really amazing. Did you hear when I walked off stage, I was in the, you know, in the small. In the lounge at the Cellar, and I was burnt out, you know, doing so many weekends on the road. And this guy supposedly was talking the whole show. He was like, in the front row, this, you know, buff, Connecticut, like, you know, financial guy. And he's like this hot girl. They're Both hot. And I go up, and he's talking and just looking at me like this. And they get up to leave. They're in the front. I'm the last comic. And they get up to walk out, and I go, oh, God, I'm sorry you guys are leaving, but I hope you're going home to have sex. Like, you're so hot, both of you. Like, it was a compliment.

[Joe List]

Sure.

[Jessica Kirson]

And he's like, yeah, whatever. Just fuck. And then he walks out. He comes back in, and he goes, by the way, your hair looks like shit.

[Joe List]

Whoa.

[Jessica Kirson]

I snapped.

[Mark Normand]

That is the cattiest insult.

[Joe List]

True.

[Mark Normand]

And by the way, I don't like your shoes either.

[Jessica Kirson]

Right? Yeah. You have horrible knees. So I snapped. I know this has happened to you guys, but something turned.

[Joe List]

You see red?

[Jessica Kirson]

Oh, I saw red. I was like, it was so insane what happened to me.

[Joe List]

So.

[Jessica Kirson]

And he was in that little curtain area where you pay, you know, in between the two clubs.

[Joe List]

Sure.

[Jessica Kirson]

I said, excuse me, everyone. This is the craziest story, right? I put my mic in the stand calmly. I walked out into the curtain area, and I. He was. He was up against the wall. And I said, don't you ever fucking talk to me. So the whole crowd heard, whoa. I said, who the fuck do you think you are? I'm like, you probably treat her like shit, you fucking asshole. I'm like, I can't even imagine what you do to her if you just talk to me like that. I don't know you.

[Joe List]

Yeah.

[Jessica Kirson]

And he was like, hey, hey. You know, and this is enormous. There's enormous guys at the Cellar, security guys, and they're dying laughing. Because I literally have this up guy up against the wall. Like, I'm gonna. You.

[Joe List]

I don't know.

[Jessica Kirson]

I've never done that.

[Joe List]

Good for you.

[Jessica Kirson]

And because I saw dad like that.

[Joe List]

My dad was like, oh, you went off on Dad.

[Jessica Kirson]

I think that's what happened.

[Joe List]

Wow.

[Jessica Kirson]

His girlfriend was like, he didn't even do anything. And I'm like, shut up. So I started abusing her. But anyway, yeah, back into the audience. They all stood up and gave me a standing ovation. And I'm like, I'm so sorry, but I snapped. And I had had it. Like, I. Yeah.

[Joe List]

Did you get the clip? That's where comedy's at now.

[Mark Normand]

Comedian follows heckler home back to Connecticut.

[Jessica Kirson]

All the comics heard about it. I mean, it was really.

[Mark Normand]

Damn.

[Jessica Kirson]

This was a while ago.

[Mark Normand]

You know, it's crazy. I heard this guy did the same thing to a heckler at the Cellar. He stole Your essence or something. No, it's crazy. I had a breaking moment like that once, way back in the day. I was at the Village Lantern. I was just, like, bombing for life.

[Jessica Kirson]

Which is a dumpy. We all did.

[Mark Normand]

It was tough.

[Jessica Kirson]

What a dump that is.

[Mark Normand]

You'd either have a great, like, wow, I can't believe I turned this set. Or you have those sets where you're just like, should I be doing this?

[Jessica Kirson]

I know.

[Joe List]

Yeah.

[Jessica Kirson]

It's in a basement. It's a small room. It's like. But it's good. It's barked right. People are.

[Mark Normand]

But it was. You'd have moments where you're like, try out stuff. Yeah, But I remember it was one of those where there's like, fucking six people or something in the crowd, and I'm just bombing. And this one guy's just like, you fucking suck. He just. And it's like, six people. And it's the point where I'm like. It's, like, hard when you're not doing well enough, like. Cause you know, at this point, someone does it, you're like, I got the room on my side. You're fucking dead. When you got six people, you're just kind of.

[Jessica Kirson]

Of like.

[Mark Normand]

And it was. I'd had so many sets like that in a row where I finally was like, why don't you fucking meet me outside then? And I was like, I couldn't see what he looked like. I didn't know who I was fucking challenging to a fucking fight.

[Joe List]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

But I was like, why don't you fucking meet me outside? And I walked off stage, and I walked up to him and I was like, why don't you fucking meet me? And he was like, no, man, no. And he was with a friend. His friend was kind of like. And I was like. In my head, I'm like, I think I could take this dude. But I'm also really glad he backed down, because I don't want to fucking fight. But. But I was. That. I saw red like that where I was like, you have usually. Even in those bad sets, even in the early days, you try to do it.

[Jessica Kirson]

You try to do anything.

[Mark Normand]

But it was at that point I just fucking broke. And I was like, let's fucking go.

[Joe List]

Yeah.

[Jessica Kirson]

I mean, you guys did what I did where I went up every night and did fucking 4, 5, 6, 7. Like, it's rare you guys did it.

[Joe List]

Oh, yeah.

[Jessica Kirson]

You still. Still do stuff, right? But a lot of people now do not.

[Joe List]

Yeah, that's true.

[Mark Normand]

It's hard to shut off, though. It's like, it was really hard. Like, I. I realize I should be doing less sets. I. I think it takes a toll at a certain point when you do too many sets because, well, it's like what rock always says. Like, your audience is living. You got to be living.

[Joe List]

You got to be living.

[Mark Normand]

And so I do think the repetition, like. But then every time I feel that way, I'll get. I'll get like, one line. I'm like, I wouldn't have gotten that line if I didn't do all these. You start to hate the material so much that you. It forces out a new joke. Like, I can't. And then sometimes I'll mix it up. I'm like, fuck, I had four. I was with my brother, and we're just pounding martinis, and I had to go do an hour at the Cellar. He's like, are you good like this? I'm like, yeah, sometimes I gotta mix it up and be loose.

[Joe List]

I completely agree.

[Mark Normand]

And I. And I was looser.

[Joe List]

I mean, it's not.

[Mark Normand]

I'm not gonna do that all the time, but every once in a while you're like, I'm just throwing fucking lines out.

[Joe List]

Mix it up.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah, those are good. I mean, those shows are real. Like you said. When I was doing, I was burnt out for years, and I'm like, I have to take a night off or like a weekend vacation. I can't.

[Joe List]

Yeah, I have this fear of lo.

[Jessica Kirson]

It. I know.

[Joe List]

Because you get that momentum and you're like, hey, I'm writing a lot. I'm getting up a lot. I'm finishing jokes and perfecting my act. And then you. You get scared. You take three days off and then you go back up and you're like.

[Jessica Kirson]

That'S what's happening to me now. Because I'm not on the road as much this month. And it's really affecting.

[Joe List]

You feel it.

[Mark Normand]

But isn't that hilarious that. That sentence this month? I know, like, year round, we're still touring, like. But I relate to what you just said.

[Jessica Kirson]

I tour like you guys do. I mean, so does Rachel. Like, I tore. You know, I. I can. I could. A lot of people. Like, I'm taking the summer off. I'm like, what?

[Joe List]

I know.

[Jessica Kirson]

How can you take the whole summer off?

[Mark Normand]

I kind of had to because I had 50 cities already this year, so I was out. But, like.

[Joe List]

But then we're going to Europe.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Joe List]

Because you're like, I need more cities.

[Mark Normand]

Going to Europe again. October.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah, I love Europe.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, Europe is fine.

[Joe List]

Well, I gotta Tell you my snap set, please. I was at the Vu and this lady wouldn't. She kept going boo after every joke. And it was like, the jokes would do pretty good, but she was like, boo. So I said, you want to go outside? And I beat the out. No, I'm kidding. But at least with a guy you can challenge him to fight. With a girl. You just want to call her a. But you can't go right to.

[Mark Normand]

You have to. You have to let them know how shitty. Because they don't. They don't know usually how shitty the person is.

[Joe List]

Right.

[Mark Normand]

Because our spider sense is tingling from the. From the jump.

[Joe List]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

So you have to. You have to let it unfold and you have to let them kind of be. It's like a actual fight. You have to let them make the first move.

[Jessica Kirson]

You have to. Because then the audience turns on you. And I'm gonna say something that people might not like, but especially if you're a.

[Joe List]

We'll like it.

[Jessica Kirson]

No, if you're a white guy, it's even harder.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Joe List]

I'm telling you.

[Jessica Kirson]

I'm serious.

[Joe List]

Acknowledgment.

[Jessica Kirson]

Because it's like, immediately.

[Mark Normand]

It depends on who's heckling.

[Jessica Kirson]

I know. I'm saying if it's a woman.

[Mark Normand]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe List]

Yeah.

[Jessica Kirson]

If it's a woman. They are like, it's you.

[Joe List]

You're a straight white guy.

[Jessica Kirson]

The worst. I'm telling you.

[Joe List]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

Depends on the guy.

[Jessica Kirson]

It's okay. Like. Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

It depends on, like. Like, if you just let it play out a little though, man. It can be.

[Joe List]

It can unravel.

[Jessica Kirson]

I mean, some of. I've gone through so many things like that and then ended up, like, high fiving the person. Like. But I'll say you guys are all tense and he's fine. Like, we're. We're at a point where we're bantering. It's fine. But you're all tense like that. It's not okay.

[Joe List]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

They'll hang themselves a lot of the time if you just let them. If you feel like they're an asshole and you let them just kind of have the floor a little bit.

[Jessica Kirson]

100.

[Mark Normand]

They're not used to talking. They're gonna hang themselves.

[Joe List]

100. And they just get meaner and mean. Then you can just kind of pull back and just, like, keep being mean to me. Everybody's watching you be a douche. You know what the worst is? When somebody with you all your whole show and then you see them outside and they're like, that was great, man. We really had A moment there, and I was like, I hate you.

[Jessica Kirson]

I hate you. This is the best. I, I. I helped you out.

[Joe List]

Oh, they help you out.

[Jessica Kirson]

I helped you.

[Joe List]

God you wonder. Hitler did that. I helped you out.

[Jessica Kirson]

I love when people scream, which they don't really anymore, but they. If they would scream out like, you suck, you fat. And I'm like. Like, who was. Who was that? Come, let's have a conversation. And then they duck. I'm like, you're a. Yeah. You're gonna say that now you're hiding from me?

[Joe List]

Yeah. Well, there's this weird thing with crowds where they think we can. We're allowed to be mean to you. You're the clown. You're the comedian. And I'm like, I'm up here alone. I'm vulnerable. I'm trying. You guys bought a ticket. I'm trying to entertain you. Why? What gives you the right to be mean?

[Mark Normand]

Like, it's a comedy seller. It was a cheap ticket.

[Joe List]

That too.

[Mark Normand]

Shut up.

[Jessica Kirson]

Up.

[Mark Normand]

You're getting a great show.

[Jessica Kirson]

It's. You're getting an amazing. The best show.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Joe List]

Yeah. And here's another one I love. Come on. You're supposed to be able to take it. You're a comedian, professional. You can't take it. I'm like, it's not that I can't take it. I just don't want it. A cop can take a shot, a shooting, but he doesn't want to go into a shooting.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah.

[Joe List]

You know, true.

[Jessica Kirson]

I mean, honestly, like, old show. I do a lot of old shows, like, in Florida and stuff, and they're horrific because they'll just yell out, this isn't funny. Oh, they say, what? Who is this? You couldn't get someone out? It's like a free show for them at the development or something.

[Joe List]

Right, right.

[Jessica Kirson]

I mean, I want my money back. And it's, like, free.

[Joe List]

Like, they're just. You start to get Hamas.

[Jessica Kirson]

It's in my special. But one of them once asked me to get them a seltzer water. This is totally hilarious. Can you get me? I'm like, now I'm the waitress.

[Mark Normand]

People in wheelchairs start walking out. You're like, holy. They had it in them.

[Joe List]

Wow. Seltzer Florida. One of these Asians.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah.

[Joe List]

Damn. Yeah. The war stories out there, that's. People don't get all this. They see the. The glimpse and the glamour, the Hulu, and they go, oh, it must be nice. You're like, what, are you kidding?

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah. I had a bottle thrown at me. Broadway.

[Mark Normand]

A guy I got Spit on there. Yeah.

[Jessica Kirson]

If someone spit on me, I'm telling you right now, I would kill them.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Jessica Kirson]

Like anything physical like that, I would.

[Mark Normand]

A bottle is worse than spitting.

[Jessica Kirson]

I was like, a year.

[Mark Normand]

It's more disrespectful.

[Jessica Kirson]

And it was all tourists. It was a Broadway. It was all tourists. And this French guy threw a full water bottle at me.

[Joe List]

Wow.

[Jessica Kirson]

Okay. And I duck. It didn't hit me. I picked it up. This is a snapping thing, too. I picked it up, turned it over and whipped it at him. And he ducked and it hit a Swedish woman in the shoulder.

[Joe List]

Oh.

[Jessica Kirson]

And she's like, oh, how could you do.

[Joe List]

That's impressive right there.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah, it's a great.

[Joe List]

Wow. Yeah, that's great. But if someone spit on you, you'd kill them. You hear that rich voice? Better stand a few feet away from old Jess here. Sorry. Okay. That's for three people who get that.

[Mark Normand]

I liked it.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah, I liked it, too.

[Joe List]

Yeah. Okay.

[Jessica Kirson]

It was really funny. Yeah. No, if someone spit in my face, did they spit in your face?

[Mark Normand]

Yes.

[Jessica Kirson]

I just can't.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, it was rough. I was young, too. It was like, you know.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah, that's rough.

[Joe List]

Yeah, that's bad. I'm impressed. You ducked on the water bottle.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah. Well, he was like, why are they doing.

[Mark Normand]

Giving out glass water bottles there, too? I guess they give out glasses.

[Jessica Kirson]

No, it was a. It was a glass. No, it was a bottle. Bottle of plastic. Oh, but those are heavy.

[Joe List]

Yeah, they got some heft.

[Jessica Kirson]

Like it wasn't even opened. And he just whipped it at me.

[Joe List]

That's insane.

[Jessica Kirson]

I mean, it was weird.

[Joe List]

It was.

[Mark Normand]

That is crazy weird.

[Jessica Kirson]

Has anyone ever gone on stage with you? That's happened to me.

[Joe List]

Attack. Once I kicked him, though. I kicked him. He was walking up the little stairs at the. What's the club? Funny Bone. And.

[Jessica Kirson]

So crazy.

[Joe List]

Manchester, Connecticut.

[Mark Normand]

Hartford.

[Joe List]

Hartford, they call it. He came on and I gave him one of these, like, get back, kind of. He's a big fat guy. It was. It was pretty.

[Mark Normand]

That's so funny, because it happened to me in Connecticut, too. It was the Bijou Theater and Bridgeport. Can I.

[Jessica Kirson]

Theater or something.

[Mark Normand]

It wasn't a nice theater. I was. I mean, it is a nice theater, but I wasn't, like, selling tickets at that point. It was kind of like, I did this gig for these people, and it was like they were talking it up. We're like, oh, my God, like, we're gonna book you. And it wasn't even crazy money, but at that point, it was nice money.

[Jessica Kirson]

Of Course, it's a lot.

[Mark Normand]

And they were like, we gotta see you in the city first. And I was like, all right. So they see me at Eastville Comedy Club.

[Joe List]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

And I'm like, auditioning for a gig, and I crush. It's one of Eastville on Saturday night. Back in the day was like, they were layups.

[Joe List]

They were.

[Mark Normand]

It was so easy to kill in there.

[Joe List]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

And they were like, if you do this well here, imagine how well you'll do in Bridgeport, Connecticut. Not how it works. Yeah, but that's all right. And we get there and it's like a weird gig. There's, like a weird friend they have there. They're like, this is our friend, the muscle. And I was like, all right, this is getting worse. There was something weird about him where he was like. I was like, why are you like. He's already told me about, like, how he was in prison. He was like, yeah, I was in the clink. And I'm like, all right, these are fucking weird dudes, I guess, whatever. But this guy keeps fucking heckling me during the show to the point where, like, I put him down every clever way. It was kinda like. I was kinda doing all right. But it gets to a point where, like, 25 minutes in, I can't tell a joke. Cause he won't shut the fuck up.

[Jessica Kirson]

That's so annoying.

[Mark Normand]

I finally go, you're a fucking idiot. You're a Neanderthal. You're a dipshit. And then he stands up and he's like six' six, and he's fucking huge. And I was like, you're the biggest dude I've ever seen in my life. And he starts walking toward the stage. And I was like, well, surely security will do something. There's no fucking security. So he starts trying to mount on this. I'm like, are you fucking. So I just. I just walk off stage. I'm fucking. I run off.

[Joe List]

That's horrific.

[Mark Normand]

And I'm hiding in some fucking. Some green room, and some woman comes out. Like, the crowd's booing me, by the way.

[Joe List]

Yeah.

[Jessica Kirson]

This is horrible.

[Mark Normand]

I don't know if they're booing me or the situation. Probably me. They're like, you should have fucking fought him. But I'm in the green room and the woman's yelling at me, like, how the fuck, like, do you get off? And I'm like, I've been punching the face a few weeks. Like a few months ago, and for a gig in Seattle, some guy fucking sucker punched me. I insulted his girlfriend in A bar. I was on a bad streak of confrontation, but she was. She insulted me. And then I fucking insulted her. And then he popped me in the face.

[Joe List]

Whoa.

[Mark Normand]

And I was like, all right. And then. So I'm like, I don't need this again. I'm like, let me. I dodged a bullet. Not getting, like, a broken jaw, the way I'm seeing it, getting sucker punched. So I'm in there and this woman's like, go back out there. And I was like, no, this is insane. And she goes, go back out there. And I was like, have you ever been. Punch in the face? And you're going back and out there. And I think. Have you ever done comedy? Was, no. I was like, well, then you're not really qualified to tell me what to do. And it keeps intent. And by the way, it keeps going back and forth. And I was like, fuck.

[Joe List]

Bridgeport, Connecticut, down.

[Mark Normand]

I shit you not. I'm holding the fucking microphone the whole time. It's a cordless mic. The crowd hears this whole. They hear me being a pussy. They hear me. They hear this whole interaction. I'm getting booed, and this is so crazy. And I had to go back out and finish the show.

[Joe List]

What the guy do, the buff guy.

[Mark Normand]

They got rid of him eventually, but it was like. It was like seven minutes, but it felt like fucking forever. And I have to go back out and do, like, another 25 to 30.

[Jessica Kirson]

This is seriously a nightmare.

[Mark Normand]

And it was not a good 25 or 30, but I got paid.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah.

[Joe List]

And a story that's.

[Mark Normand]

And they snuck me out the back. You don't feel like a winner leaving that game.

[Joe List]

Yeah.

[Jessica Kirson]

They snuck me out the back the night of Broadway, But I was at Dangerfields once. I was. Used to be there every single night. Unbelievable. Unbelievable.

[Joe List]

And since closed.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah. And now it's Rodney's.

[Joe List]

Yes.

[Mark Normand]

Are you serious?

[Joe List]

Yeah. You haven't done it. Rodney's.

[Mark Normand]

What a fucking silly change.

[Joe List]

I know. They revamped the whole inside, too.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah, Well, I. I was up, and it's always Taurus and these two, like, Swedish women. They were huge. Hated me. They were like rugby. They were. And they came to the stage and I took the mic stand and was like, I can't get into a fight.

[Joe List]

Like a lion tamer.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah. I was like, you need to go sit down.

[Joe List]

Wow.

[Jessica Kirson]

The staff there, they all would wear. Remember those black, like, tuxedo jackets?

[Joe List]

Yes. Yes.

[Jessica Kirson]

And they literally stand there like this and watch everything that happened.

[Joe List]

Unbelievable.

[Jessica Kirson]

Nothing. I was like, are you.

[Mark Normand]

It's got the vibe of a Funeral Every time you walk.

[Joe List]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

There's like a darkness to it.

[Joe List]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

I haven't been back, but. But it's.

[Jessica Kirson]

I haven't been to the new room.

[Mark Normand]

Okay.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah. I mean, is it okay? Because I thought of. Because I. My partner lives down the street.

[Joe List]

Sure.

[Jessica Kirson]

So I was like, I should just walk up there and do shows.

[Joe List]

I think if you announced the show and like your people came, it'd be great.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah, I'm not doing that.

[Joe List]

Okay. Other than that, it's a. It's a toss up of. Of if there's gonna be an audience there.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

Doesn't look like great reviews.

[Joe List]

Yeah, that's a fiver.

[Mark Normand]

Three ones in a row ain't great though. Another one. Damn. What the hell? Why is it so bad? Can we zoom in on something?

[Joe List]

I feel bad we're taking this club down a peg here.

[Mark Normand]

Well, I don't. You know, maybe it's a wake up call for them. Maybe it's good. These are real reviews.

[Jessica Kirson]

I feel like so many clubs would get bad reviews.

[Joe List]

Oh, the seller gets a lot of them. Do they? Yeah, yeah. Cuz you know, some of them might not be fair.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah, of course.

[Joe List]

Oh, that's a long one. Oh, that's the owner. The owner's writing back.

[Mark Normand]

That's good.

[Joe List]

Whoa. All right. Well, they're trying. Yeah.

[Jessica Kirson]

I mean, if they're getting back people, that's great.

[Mark Normand]

Oh, there's a lot of good five.

[Joe List]

Oh, great place would be funny if the own.

[Mark Normand]

It was one of those. Some of these places the owners are so toxic. You just picture them riding back like, like. Thank you, Kelly. You stupid.

[Joe List]

Yeah, great crowd work. All right, great. All right.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, a lot of fibers there.

[Joe List]

All right, there we go, Rod laughing all night.

[Mark Normand]

Maybe we will pop in.

[Joe List]

Oh, Larry Bay. Wait, he's a comedian. Yeah, he wrote his own.

[Mark Normand]

Didn't he write for Frasier?

[Joe List]

He did, yeah. That's his credit. Top notch.

[Jessica Kirson]

Imagine it's all comedians getting good reviews.

[Joe List]

That'd be great. I killed. Okay, well, the owner again. Boy, the owner is really busy. Well, now I feel bad. The owner's trying. Yeah, good luck to you there, Rodney. Yeah, well, the three of us will do a set there tonight. Yeah, yeah, we'll pop in. Boy, these heckle stories are wild. And you're doing clubs, theaters.

[Mark Normand]

Where you at theaters?

[Jessica Kirson]

I've been doing theaters for the past couple of years, but now I'm. I mean some clubs. But now this summer I'm doing a bunch of clubs and I have to be honest, I'm dreading It. I told you that because it's so.

[Joe List]

Long of a weekend.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah. It's like instead of one night, one show, it's like. Or being away two, three nights and you're doing a theater each night, which is great.

[Mark Normand]

I get it.

[Jessica Kirson]

Right. And it's like, now I have to do five shows in three nights or four shows. And sometimes it's. It's good money, but sometimes it's the same money.

[Joe List]

Right? Like, you guys know, true.

[Jessica Kirson]

For one show, it's like at sellout, you'll make this much. It's like. Like it's the middle of the summer. You know, I'm in a mall in, like, Columbus. Like, this is not. I'll do well, but it's. And plus, it's even more people in a huge club for five shows than it is in a theater. I would do sometimes. It's like almost 2,000 people.

[Mark Normand]

I totally. I totally am with you. Sometimes what helps is like, I just, like, I'm just gonna treat this like I have no distractions. I'm in the middle of nowhere. I'm gonna write as much as possible.

[Jessica Kirson]

It's the best way to work on stuff. That's why I'm doing it too. Do like.

[Mark Normand]

And the repetition, man, I know.

[Jessica Kirson]

There's nothing like it. Every time I come back from one of those weekends, I'm like, oh, my God, I'm so. Like, I'm so good. Yeah.

[Joe List]

Yeah. But at least the food's great.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah. Yeah. It's amazed the chicken fingers.

[Joe List]

Yeah, I know. I always over drink and I eat the. The wings, the pizzas, whatever's in there. I always gained six pounds and like a big zip.

[Mark Normand]

It's impossible. It's impossible.

[Jessica Kirson]

Diarrhea.

[Joe List]

Yes. Yes. You know, you always go, I'm gonna eat good on the road. But then eating good is like, I went to Panda Express, you know, I had some rice and broccoli.

[Jessica Kirson]

I know some people go out to, like, go like amazing restaurants. I'm like, I hate myself. I am not taking myself.

[Mark Normand]

Also, how do you even do that when you got two shows, you know?

[Joe List]

Yeah. The time, I don't know.

[Jessica Kirson]

They'll go out during the day. I guess they really pamper themselves. I am not like that at all.

[Joe List]

Me neither. Like, Dylan goes to the best steakhouse I know.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah. When I was on the. With Tom Segura last summer doing all these gigs, and in Canada, we went to the sickest restaurant, really. And it's like, I want. I. I don't really care. Like, I wanted to be with him and like Bobby Lee and these other people. But I don't really care about like amazing restaurants and I like it for the bonding.

[Mark Normand]

I like, like stuff. Yeah. When I'm with Gary, he's demanding some good food, right? Yeah. But clubs, we usually just order into the club.

[Joe List]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. What the hell? Why don't I do that?

[Jessica Kirson]

I've done that many, many times.

[Joe List]

I've never even thought of that. That.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah, I, I do that a lot.

[Mark Normand]

I just can't go. I can't do two hours if I'm eating chicken wings and chicken fingers and I need something.

[Joe List]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

A little lighter.

[Joe List]

How are those Cigara Gay? Was that arenas?

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah. They were sick.

[Joe List]

Oh, really?

[Jessica Kirson]

They were either outdoor. It was that great outdoor, whatever.

[Mark Normand]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe List]

That was cool.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah.

[Joe List]

Oh, nice.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah. And they were unbelievable. I did like a 15,000seat arena with him and that's in the round. And it was unbelievable how much time. I was nervous because I never did in the round.

[Joe List]

Yeah.

[Jessica Kirson]

And you know, it's his fans.

[Joe List]

Sure. They're wild, fun guys.

[Jessica Kirson]

They're great. And it went well. But I, you know, he told me what to do. Like I had, I turned around, looked at different people because I'm so used to just standing.

[Joe List]

Yeah.

[Jessica Kirson]

In one place. I don't move.

[Joe List]

And it was you and Bobby Lee.

[Jessica Kirson]

It was me and Bobby Lee.

[Joe List]

Whoa. That's a fun show.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah. Yeah. And Kirk. I was dating someone already. Yeah. It was really. And then some of them were outdoors.

[Joe List]

Oh, Kirk Fox, maybe.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe List]

He's funny.

[Jessica Kirson]

He's great.

[Joe List]

Good one liners. Fun dude. And Tom's so chill and easygoing.

[Jessica Kirson]

I love him. I just did your mom's house. I love him.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, he just did the pod. He's the best.

[Jessica Kirson]

He's so funny too.

[Joe List]

Oh, yeah, he's real. He's very real.

[Jessica Kirson]

It's like we're friends. Like it's not. We've become good friends. I love him.

[Joe List]

Yeah. He doesn't work a lot though.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah, he doesn't. Just every weekend. Yeah, that's the other kind of gig. We did those outdoor where everyone's sitting.

[Mark Normand]

And I will say this, those are fun gigs in general. Can we stop with the outdoor content?

[Joe List]

I agree, it's a lot.

[Mark Normand]

Rachel just came to see me from one and she's like, I did an outdoor benefit and I go, it's a fucking heat wave.

[Joe List]

I know.

[Mark Normand]

Who's booking outdoor benefits in the summer in New York?

[Joe List]

It's crazy.

[Jessica Kirson]

It's probably so much cheaper.

[Joe List]

Ah, you don't have to rent a building.

[Mark Normand]

A hell gig.

[Joe List]

It is. You just count the minutes.

[Jessica Kirson]

It's hell. People are walking.

[Mark Normand]

It was a benefit. So she's doing someone a favor. So you're doing someone a favor to eat on their show. Which I'm kind of like, you're setting.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yourself up for failure, basically. Maybe not, but I don't do that stuff anymore. I can't. I. I give her credit because I just. It's too much like, if I know it's going to be horrific. I mean, you have to pay me a shitload to do that. That.

[Joe List]

Well, I'm at the great Outdoors fest in Calgary.

[Mark Normand]

It was fun.

[Joe List]

Coming up. Was it okay?

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah, no, I did too. Because they're good. They're comedy fans. Everyone that goes.

[Mark Normand]

Those who actually. That was the rare thing where it kind of worked. But like, it rarely works, dude.

[Joe List]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

They kept people really tight, which was nice. The crowds were huge. Easier. I've also done like a couple. Like, when you do those music fests and you're in a tent, it's not as bad either. When. When there's some ceiling.

[Joe List]

I like a tent.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

But that. It was a fun.

[Jessica Kirson]

These have it. These have a huge.

[Joe List]

Oh, there's a tent.

[Jessica Kirson]

Because it was. It was pouring.

[Mark Normand]

The ones I did were not. But there was. There was a wildfire. So there was the city. The city was shut down. We literally do. It was me and Theo and Laura Peak. And the city is. They're like, we gotta shut down the city. Of course. Like, you know, Theo's like, eh, it's not a big deal, man. I'm like, dude, it's like, this is fucking bad air quality. I'm being like the token Jew. I'm like, this is not suitable. And right after I say that, they're like, the city shut down. Will you guys stay another night? And we're like, yeah, all right. And the next night I'm like, it's going to be better air quality tomorrow. They're like, yeah, yeah. It's at a worse. It's at 7, Friday, Saturday is at 9. And we're like, I guess we're doing the fucking show in worse air. We should have just done the show.

[Joe List]

Yeah.

[Jessica Kirson]

I couldn't believe they did it when it was pouring. Pouring.

[Joe List]

Wow.

[Jessica Kirson]

And I was shocked that people were. Thousands of people sat in the pouring rain. I'm like, really? Yeah.

[Joe List]

Holy.

[Jessica Kirson]

It wasn't just raining. It was like really bad.

[Joe List]

No tent or no.

[Jessica Kirson]

Around them.

[Joe List]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

They didn't have. They got drenched.

[Jessica Kirson]

The thousands Okay.

[Mark Normand]

I misunderstood.

[Jessica Kirson]

By the way, you didn't get your money back. If it says in the ticket thing, if it's raining, you don't. You either show up or you don't get your money back. I guess because they're outdoors. I don't know.

[Joe List]

Yeah, I think I'd rather.

[Jessica Kirson]

But I was shot. I was shot. We were all shocked that there were so many people.

[Mark Normand]

That's a tough. And they laugh still.

[Jessica Kirson]

They did. Wow.

[Mark Normand]

But I mean, it's a story.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah. I mean.

[Joe List]

Yes.

[Jessica Kirson]

You know, I'm. I can do well. Bobby kills and. And Tom, they ear love with.

[Mark Normand]

I mean, an old lady died of hypothermia. Later that night, someone drowned.

[Jessica Kirson]

But it was really a good show.

[Joe List]

That's so Canadian. You know, like, we'll do it.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah.

[Joe List]

Nice. Sorry. You know, we don't want to be in the way.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah.

[Joe List]

But I don't think that would fly here. It was pouring rain.

[Jessica Kirson]

No.

[Joe List]

People don't go to the shows indoors if it's raining here.

[Jessica Kirson]

I know.

[Mark Normand]

That's so true.

[Joe List]

We're all American.

[Mark Normand]

We're lazy.

[Joe List]

Yeah. But now I feel like tickets are tough to move because prices are high. The heat wave tensions in the world.

[Jessica Kirson]

Right. They're afraid to spend money.

[Joe List]

Yeah.

[Jessica Kirson]

You know, it's. It's. It's a weird time.

[Joe List]

Yes.

[Jessica Kirson]

We were booming for. We were booming after Covid. It was insane.

[Joe List]

We should be great.

[Mark Normand]

It'll flush some people out. Some people will quit.

[Jessica Kirson]

You're right.

[Mark Normand]

You just gotta ride on. Just like, hang on for a few years. It'll. It'll get good again. It's still good.

[Joe List]

It's great. It's still. It's still. We're at like, the tail end of the boom, which is still in the boom.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Joe List]

So I'll take it.

[Jessica Kirson]

We'll all, like, stay. Like, we'll be okay. But you're right. I think a lot of people end up in the clubs again and not get out.

[Joe List]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

Which is not horrible.

[Joe List]

No, I like clubs.

[Mark Normand]

I like clubs.

[Joe List]

Yeah.

[Jessica Kirson]

I mean, I like them for the reasons we said to try material. It's just easier for me than a theater.

[Joe List]

And I think audiences like it too. They're like, he's right there. She's right there.

[Mark Normand]

With those Ticketmaster fees. I feel guilty that people are paying to see me and they're getting just raped by Live Nation. It's not right.

[Joe List]

It ain't right. And, you know, sometimes the theater, there's those balconies, you just. Those people are gone on. Like, you're not even connecting with them.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, especially Lincoln. He was out of there. But no.

[Jessica Kirson]

Did you perform in that theater where he was? He. I performed in a theater in Dallas where he hid after the shooting. He went there and hid? Yeah. And hid under one of the. Like, they told me that after. And I'm like, are you kidding me? That's where they found him.

[Joe List]

I thought he was shot in D.C.

[Mark Normand]

He made it that far.

[Joe List]

Wait a minute, I'm confused. You think he hid there later? Were we talking JFK here? What are we talking about?

[Jessica Kirson]

Let's see. I might just Jealous. Yeah. See.

[Joe List]

Ford Theater, which is where we should know this.

[Jessica Kirson]

Wait, what?

[Joe List]

Where's Ford Theater? D.C. okay.

[Jessica Kirson]

No, it wasn't him. Let's check Kennedy.

[Joe List]

Are you thinking of the. What's the guy who shot him? Lee Harvey Oswald?

[Jessica Kirson]

It might be.

[Joe List]

Yeah. Cuz I think the big story is Booth shot him in a theater.

[Mark Normand]

Got out on the horseback. Yeah.

[Joe List]

And ran.

[Mark Normand]

I watched that show. I watched that show on your ex. Manhunt was good.

[Joe List]

Yeah.

[Jessica Kirson]

I never saw that.

[Mark Normand]

It's on Apple. It's cool. It's about John Wilkes Booth. That was a Norman Rec on the show.

[Joe List]

He shot him in a theater and ran to a book depository. Whereas Oswald shot him from a book depository and ran to a theater. Theater. I think that's the big.

[Jessica Kirson]

Right. This is the theater I performed at.

[Joe List]

Oh, cool.

[Jessica Kirson]

It's gorgeous.

[Mark Normand]

Which theater is it?

[Jessica Kirson]

Texas Theater, Cliff. It was a movie theater.

[Joe List]

Ah, that whole thing is crazy. He was shot. Kennedy was shot in a. In a Ford Lincoln. And Lincoln was shot in Ford theater.

[Mark Normand]

Wow.

[Jessica Kirson]

Wow.

[Joe List]

You never heard this?

[Jessica Kirson]

No, no.

[Joe List]

It's incredible. Give that a goo there, Peters. It's a hell of a coincidence. The biggest coincidence in history. Shot in a Ford Theater. He was shot in a Ford Lincoln. I can't remember all the connections, but they're great. Wow. Then he. Oh, Booth ran to Maryland and Kennedy. Marilyn Monroe was the big end.

[Mark Normand]

Damn. Yeah, but that's a reach, that part.

[Joe List]

That's the punchline. Hold on. What is this? This is. No, you gotta give me the Kawanki dink. Oh, really? Oh.

[Jessica Kirson]

In the presence of the wise shop from behind.

[Mark Normand]

A lot of presidents have been shot.

[Joe List]

Yeah, it's eight, right? Yeah. Reagan too.

[Jessica Kirson]

But I remember the Reagan one.

[Joe List]

Whoa.

[Jessica Kirson]

That was. That was.

[Joe List]

Don't show your age.

[Jessica Kirson]

I don't care. I didn't give a shit. I'm with a hot 40 year old.

[Mark Normand]

Me too.

[Joe List]

You are?

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah, it's. That was insane. The footage of that was really. Yeah.

[Joe List]

Hinckley and James Brady.

[Jessica Kirson]

That was like. Yeah, he's ended up in a wheelchair.

[Joe List]

Yeah. Whoa.

[Mark Normand]

Brady act. The charity started.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah, yeah, it was.

[Joe List]

His secretary was named Kennedy. His secretary was named Lincoln. Come on.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah, that's, that's crazy.

[Joe List]

Theater. Rando. Warehouse. Lee Harvey shot Kennedy in a warehouse, ran to a theater. The names Lincoln and Kennedy could send seven letters. The names Andrew Johnson and Lyndon Johnson each contained 13 letters. The names John Wilkes Booth and Lee Harvey oswald each contain 15 letters. Both were killed before being brought to trial. Both Johnson's were opposed for reelection by men whose names start with G. Keep going. Damn. Oh, there's way more.

[Mark Normand]

JFK had Kevin Bacon. So.

[Joe List]

Who?

[Mark Normand]

I don't know. Trying to do the Kevin Bacon six degrees thing.

[Jessica Kirson]

Maybe the.

[Joe List]

The.

[Jessica Kirson]

Oh, that might be cuz.

[Joe List]

Yeah, all right. But yeah, just. It's just fun. It's the most coincidence in history. That's blurry. One of them's funny. They made it funny. But we'll, we'll find that in three years.

[Mark Normand]

I do love stuff that ends up being like wordplay like that. Remember Carlin's bit about, about Muhammad Ali? How they're like, they won't let him fight, you won't go to war. They're like, if you want to fight, you better kill.

[Joe List]

Yeah.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah.

[Joe List]

So good.

[Mark Normand]

I mean, just simplicity.

[Joe List]

Fun with history. American history.

[Jessica Kirson]

This is weird. Booth ran from a theater and was caught in a warehouse. Oswald ran from a warehouse and was caught in a theater.

[Joe List]

Yeah. Three names. Crazy Kenny was born in 08.

[Mark Normand]

Both assassins known by three names. That's like. Yeah, that's like the common thing.

[Joe List]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

And the Trump Failed Assassin was a theater.

[Joe List]

Oh, yeah. Matthew Thomas Crooks.

[Jessica Kirson]

Wait, we never heard about him again. Again.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah. What's going on with that guy?

[Jessica Kirson]

Not one word.

[Joe List]

He was, what is he, 17? I think he's pretty young. Hey, look, how cute is Joe List.

[Mark Normand]

How the hell does he have a herpes sir when he's definitely a virgin?

[Joe List]

That's a good point.

[Jessica Kirson]

He might have a peanut allergy.

[Joe List]

He apparently had a huge dong.

[Jessica Kirson]

What?

[Joe List]

What? Yeah, give it a go.

[Mark Normand]

How the did you hear this?

[Joe List]

I saw him on a video with a bunch of. Of high school kids, and he was bragging about his huge hog.

[Jessica Kirson]

I never saw a video of him.

[Joe List]

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[Jessica Kirson]

Oh, my God. This is.

[Joe List]

I think he had like a 12incher.

[Mark Normand]

If he's a 12incher, he wouldn't become.

[Joe List]

An assassin, but it gave him the confidence. 6 foot 4. I go to Stanford University. I have a 10 inch penis. There you go.

[Jessica Kirson]

The fact that he just said penis made me more gay.

[Joe List]

But something's up with. Why don't we know more about this kid? I know. I know more about Lee Harvey Oswald than I knew about this guy. And this was less than a year ago. He had no silverware in his home.

[Mark Normand]

He sounded like a detective. Something about this doesn't sit right. Yeah, no silverware in his home.

[Jessica Kirson]

He kind of looked like Elizabeth Warren.

[Joe List]

He does.

[Mark Normand]

Trump should have called him Pocahontas.

[Jessica Kirson]

And she also has a 10 inch penis. Yeah.

[Joe List]

Good. Good stuff.

[Jessica Kirson]

Who's that?

[Joe List]

Oh, she was all right.

[Jessica Kirson]

Was that.

[Joe List]

Oh, that's the Princess of Wales.

[Mark Normand]

This is the most scattered podcast.

[Joe List]

This is insane. We're all add.

[Jessica Kirson]

This is like. We're talking. It's insane.

[Joe List]

That's true. God damn it. Dude, I went to Wales. That is a wild place.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah. You said they were the drunkest, right?

[Joe List]

It was like the. I said it was a long island of England. Like, it's. They're fatter, drunker, and. And trashier, really. But I couldn't even understand them. Their accent was so thick.

[Mark Normand]

I'm doing Manchester. I've never been there.

[Jessica Kirson]

That's cool. Supposed to be great. And I have so many people that, like, message me from Manchester and they're great.

[Joe List]

Like, great crowd. It's a working town.

[Mark Normand]

Oh, good. Yeah, I love it.

[Joe List]

Yeah. The blue collar.

[Jessica Kirson]

Are you going to any other?

[Mark Normand]

Like, I'm going hard all over Europe. Like, just, you know, I think we're doing, like, probably Lisbon. Definitely Barcelona.

[Jessica Kirson]

I'm dying to go to Lisbon.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Joe List]

Unbelievable. Prettiest place I've ever been to.

[Jessica Kirson]

Really?

[Joe List]

Yes. So cool. It's right on the water. Then the. They got the old, old village with the stairs and those little white cottage houses.

[Jessica Kirson]

Wow, look at.

[Joe List]

That's a trolley that goes up the hill.

[Mark Normand]

Oh, that's beautiful. Picturesque Milan. I got so jealous. I'm gonna do comedy there. I'm kind of pumped. Then I got. Yeah, back to Dublin. Back to London, back to Paris, back to Amsterdam.

[Jessica Kirson]

I had fun in Paris.

[Mark Normand]

And then Berlin, because I've never been.

[Jessica Kirson]

There, so Berlin were my favorite shows.

[Joe List]

Really?

[Jessica Kirson]

I loved Berlin.

[Joe List]

Well, you can go right in there.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah.

[Joe List]

With the Jew stuff.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah, that's fun. They loved it.

[Joe List]

Yeah.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah.

[Joe List]

That's great. They got the guilt.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah, that's true.

[Mark Normand]

And they also have, like, being a black comic. It's like your one chance.

[Joe List]

Yes, exactly.

[Mark Normand]

You're like, you guys know what you did.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah, exactly. They. They have sec. Very good sex clubs.

[Joe List]

I went to one.

[Mark Normand]

Did you go to one?

[Joe List]

I went to Kit Kat.

[Jessica Kirson]

I. Oh, that's like. I, I. We didn't have time. I was only there for one night. Like 6am KitKat is like the club.

[Mark Normand]

Is it crazy?

[Jessica Kirson]

Everyone's fucking everywhere.

[Joe List]

Everyone's fucking. And they seem to only let attractive people in, in. Because if you saw a fat guy, it was like a novelty. But everybody's. There's like a room of crazy stuff. One guy was getting his dick pierced. One guy was getting whipped.

[Mark Normand]

That's too much.

[Jessica Kirson]

A lot of S M. What did you wear? Because you have to wear an outfit. Like, not an outfit.

[Joe List]

Pull up my Instagram. I went with the wife. I banged her in the club, by the way.

[Jessica Kirson]

Oh, my God, this is so great.

[Joe List]

We had to get dolled up. We. We shopped all day and thank God you got in. Yeah, that's Mark.

[Jessica Kirson]

This is incredible.

[Joe List]

We're an eyeliner and nipple clamps. That's me drunk after we did shrooms. She touched my leg. It was great. How about this, though? A guy, when I was banging the wife, because, you know, when in Rome, a guy did one of these and he goes, me next. And I was like, hey, she's not a whore. Then I looked at my left. There's a guy yanking it to us, banging. Which was kind of flattering.

[Mark Normand]

It was Doug Key.

[Joe List]

Yeah. I was like, what are you doing?

[Jessica Kirson]

Did she. Well, she was probably up, but did she mind that someone was like, she.

[Joe List]

Was off and facing Mecca? Because I don't like that because I was from behind. So she didn't. I was like, I had a head on a swivel. I was like a periscope so I can see everybody.

[Mark Normand]

It is hard to be in a sex club. Like, do you mind?

[Joe List]

Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

[Mark Normand]

Damn.

[Joe List]

I made a Louis joke and I got out of there. But yeah, we had a great time in Berlin.

[Mark Normand]

The second you come, are you a little bit like, like, what did I just say?

[Joe List]

100%, a thousand percent. Yeah, it was weird. Definitely.

[Jessica Kirson]

You have to wear. You can't get in unless you're like, naked or. I mean, wearing like a crazy outfit. They won't let you in.

[Mark Normand]

Really?

[Joe List]

No, no. You had to dress up.

[Jessica Kirson]

Mark, this outfit is so great.

[Joe List]

I'm wearing pink fishnets. You can't see them.

[Mark Normand]

You look like you're doing Stand up in Brooklyn.

[Jessica Kirson]

Look at you.

[Joe List]

Well, this is at the end of the night. Been. I've been doing some crazy stuff. They had a pool there in the club. There's women just swimming in the pool. There's people in the pool. There's a big swing.

[Mark Normand]

Why is Berlin so kinky? What do you think it is?

[Jessica Kirson]

I don't know, but it's really.

[Joe List]

Yeah, there's an underground thing there. There's a vibe in the air. It's all like heavy metal. There's the pool.

[Jessica Kirson]

Oh, my God, it's huge.

[Joe List]

It's an old apartment building they. They revamped into a sex club.

[Mark Normand]

What's the music like?

[Joe List]

Well, there's a whole club in there too. The music's techno wars with different clubs.

[Jessica Kirson]

Right.

[Joe List]

Floors of horrors. Yeah, it's crazy. I wouldn't get in that pool though, I'll tell you that. Yeah, but what a. What a romp. What a fun.

[Mark Normand]

What's the crazy. What's the kinkiest you saw in there?

[Joe List]

Probably a guy getting. A guy getting in the ass by a woman with a strap on. Oh, wow. That was like right in the open. So she was just on her knees and the guy was like, ah.

[Mark Normand]

So why do people want to do that in public? That's crazy.

[Joe List]

That makes it hotter.

[Jessica Kirson]

Humiliating. Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, I guess.

[Joe List]

I saw a guy with a, like a bull head, like a horns full face mask thing getting blown in the hallway. That was trippy.

[Mark Normand]

The guy from January 6th, he got out.

[Joe List]

That's great. Yeah, he was the shaman.

[Jessica Kirson]

I was just thinking that. That he was a. January 6th?

[Joe List]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

Damn, that's crazy. Yeah, I'm kind of pumped to go to Berlin. I just never been to Germany and I just figured, like, I. I get a lot of messages about Berlin.

[Joe List]

I do too.

[Jessica Kirson]

That's why I went.

[Mark Normand]

I think they're in the comedy there.

[Joe List]

Yeah, they love it.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, I'm fired up.

[Joe List]

Germans aren't the funniest people, so I think when we go over there, they're like, oh, hey, funny. That's not really in the culture. It's kind of like the Middle East. It's not. There's not a lot of haha going on down in Libya, you know. You know, the Libya chuckle hunt, you know.

[Mark Normand]

Although we did get an offer to play.

[Joe List]

I think I'm gonna go.

[Mark Normand]

You're gonna go?

[Joe List]

Well, I'm only doing two days going.

[Mark Normand]

In and out Saudi Arabia.

[Joe List]

Just forget that patron.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah, yeah. Why?

[Joe List]

I'm doing it two days.

[Jessica Kirson]

Do you ever go to Abu Dhabi?

[Joe List]

No.

[Jessica Kirson]

I would love to go.

[Joe List]

I would like to go to that too.

[Jessica Kirson]

I've heard it's great.

[Joe List]

Do you guys nervous to go there? Yeah.

[Jessica Kirson]

But those.

[Mark Normand]

I mean, you got two. I just got one. You got. You got three.

[Jessica Kirson]

Three kids.

[Mark Normand]

No. Gay woman and Jew.

[Joe List]

Oh, yeah.

[Mark Normand]

I just got Jew.

[Jessica Kirson]

I wouldn't do. I wouldn't do gay material there.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Joe List]

At all. Weird. No, really.

[Mark Normand]

I'm like everything they hate. I'm like a drunk Jew.

[Joe List]

Oh, yeah. We eat meat or pork.

[Jessica Kirson]

A drunk Jew.

[Joe List]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

They don't like that.

[Joe List]

No, they don't. Any bad language. I mean, you're done.

[Jessica Kirson]

I think you have to be clean.

[Mark Normand]

We could be clean. We've done enough late night sets, right? I mean our version of clean.

[Joe List]

I guess I'm just gonna go up and draw Muhammad. That's my big closer. I can't wait.

[Mark Normand]

They see this. They're like, kidnap him.

[Jessica Kirson]

Kidnap him to be scenes in these places.

[Joe List]

They really do. They really do.

[Mark Normand]

No, I was talking to a friend. He goes, you're fine there. It's like basically America.

[Joe List]

Oh, all right.

[Mark Normand]

I was like, basically. I don't know if it's basically supposedly.

[Jessica Kirson]

I don't know if this is the case for everyone, but it would be for you guys. You get treated like gold. Like it's five star, like crazy treatment hotels and, you know, car service and food and they really take care.

[Mark Normand]

But no alcohol or chicks.

[Joe List]

Whoa.

[Jessica Kirson]

No one drank drinks in the. I guess.

[Joe List]

Yeah.

[Jessica Kirson]

Oh, my God.

[Joe List]

Weird.

[Jessica Kirson]

But isn't that amazing? Like it's so weird that you're brought up in a culture where no one.

[Joe List]

I know, it's crazy. I'm impressed that they can pull that off.

[Jessica Kirson]

Me too. But especially if that a bad childhood.

[Joe List]

If you go to YouTube and like Indian comedian and then it goes over to like Middle east comedian.

[Mark Normand]

It's.

[Joe List]

It's booming. It's comedy.

[Jessica Kirson]

I know.

[Joe List]

Over there in that part of the world. So. Yeah, but we started it.

[Mark Normand]

I mean, I'm. I'm thinking, hey, I. I hope we go. It'd be great if we went on the same flight. Dude, that'd be perfect.

[Joe List]

Let's do it.

[Mark Normand]

Let's figure it out.

[Jessica Kirson]

The same, like tour it's not the same.

[Joe List]

You get to pick. You gotta get your own night kind of thing.

[Mark Normand]

Oh, to fast.

[Joe List]

Yeah, but it's. Tom's going, Fluffy's going. Oh, that's Fahim a Z.

[Mark Normand]

Is Jim Jeffries a lot of people? Yeah.

[Joe List]

Good crew. Good crew. So I'm going to Athens right after that. That.

[Jessica Kirson]

Oh, my God.

[Mark Normand]

Comedy in Athens.

[Joe List]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mark Normand]

I got. I got a couple restaurant spots for you in Athens.

[Joe List]

Oh, really?

[Mark Normand]

I love Athens.

[Joe List]

I've been. Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

What I did. That was like my one adult vacation.

[Joe List]

Whoa. Oh, is amazing. Was that. That was the one with the photos. Yeah, yeah. Oh, all right, good.

[Mark Normand]

Got a good sex club for you in Athens.

[Joe List]

Bring it on.

[Mark Normand]

No, yeah, it's great. I love. I love Greece, man. Let me do we. Any peeves going?

[Joe List]

One.

[Mark Normand]

Oh, I got some peeves.

[Joe List]

I gotta. I gotta peeve. You'll think of something.

[Jessica Kirson]

No, I sent stuff.

[Joe List]

Oh, great. All right.

[Mark Normand]

You sent it in. You're prepped. Holy.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah. I love you guys. I mean, if it was another, I would have never.

[Joe List]

You hear that? All you garbage.

[Jessica Kirson]

All right.

[Joe List]

How about this one? I hate when people get mad at you for something that you didn't do. It's not really your fault. So you go. You get. Let me get an Uber. All right. Uber will be here in four minutes, everybody. I'm showing everybody. And then they're like, all right, great. Then they're like, five minutes went by where the. The Uber.

[Jessica Kirson]

And I'm like, that's very funny.

[Joe List]

The Uber. I'm just. I told you what it said. And they're like, you said five minutes. And I'm like, yeah, so did it. So did the phone. I didn't do it.

[Jessica Kirson]

You didn't tell them to add a minute.

[Joe List]

Yes, exactly. But. But I'm the guy who pulled it up. So now I'm the. I'm like, I pulled it up. I'm paying for an Uber. And you guys are yelling at me.

[Mark Normand]

Oh, yeah. The guy's like, yeah, Trump bombed Iran.

[Joe List]

What?

[Mark Normand]

The your problem.

[Joe List]

Thing. Right, right. So that. That. That pisses me off, you know?

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, that's a good piece.

[Joe List]

Delay. And they're like, what's up with the flight? You got the tickets? I'm like, I don't know.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, I got the tickets.

[Jessica Kirson]

That does happen a lot.

[Joe List]

All the time. You're the messenger, I guess. So they have to yell, don't kill the messenger.

[Mark Normand]

That's where it came from.

[Jessica Kirson]

I hate when people go, are you okay? It's like, you're not okay.

[Joe List]

Yes.

[Jessica Kirson]

You're projecting onto me.

[Mark Normand]

Yes.

[Joe List]

100.

[Mark Normand]

Someone do that to me on the street once. How are you? Good.

[Joe List]

Good.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah?

[Jessica Kirson]

Oh, yes.

[Mark Normand]

I'm all right.

[Joe List]

Yeah. Now.

[Mark Normand]

Okay. Then they hit with it. Okay.

[Joe List]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

You can't let me have it.

[Joe List]

Yeah, That's a good one. Oh, God. Are you okay?

[Mark Normand]

The condescending person.

[Joe List]

So condescending.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah, it's really.

[Mark Normand]

Are you okay?

[Jessica Kirson]

Are you okay?

[Mark Normand]

It's never a close friend either.

[Jessica Kirson]

Never.

[Mark Normand]

If it was a close friend, I'd be like, all right. At least they. Maybe they care.

[Jessica Kirson]

But they would go, sam, are you okay? Is everything okay? But they wouldn't go, are you okay?

[Joe List]

Yes.

[Mark Normand]

Why do you tilt your head like that?

[Jessica Kirson]

I know there's always a tilt that's.

[Joe List]

Up there with do better. Go. Just do better. You do better.

[Jessica Kirson]

When people tell me, just breathe, I'm like, just die. I hate when I'm like, having a hard time or like it's a horrible situation like the divorce. You just breathe. I'm like, thanks. Yeah, that's really gonna make.

[Mark Normand]

I've been doing that the whole time. I don't know if you know that.

[Jessica Kirson]

I can't stand that.

[Joe List]

Think of that one.

[Mark Normand]

You know what? You know, it's an annoying one lately to me. Is everyone calling everyone king.

[Joe List]

I hate the king.

[Mark Normand]

You the man, King. Yo, what's up, King? I. I was at a cvs. The cashier was like, all right, have a good one, King. I was like, I'm buying stool softener, dude. What the fuck are we doing? What are we doing? I'm not a king. Let's, let's, let's dial it up.

[Joe List]

You will be on the throne later. Yeah, well, I, I say, I always say every woman who calls herself a queen is the least accomplished person I've ever met in my entire life. Don't talk to a queen that way. I'm like, you've done nothing.

[Mark Normand]

You've done nothing.

[Joe List]

Zero to say for yourself.

[Mark Normand]

You might get murdered.

[Jessica Kirson]

My kids call me bruh.

[Joe List]

I'm like, oh, that's fun.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah. I mean, they're six.

[Joe List]

Oh, weird.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah. One of my six year old twins is like, bruh. And I'm like, who are you?

[Joe List]

Is he on Creatine Wipe?

[Jessica Kirson]

You.

[Joe List]

Yeah. Calling me bruh. Weird. That's worse than what Judy Gold told you.

[Mark Normand]

Well, yeah.

[Joe List]

Oh, you guys got a bunch of these.

[Jessica Kirson]

You're a big dike.

[Mark Normand]

Can we make it bigger?

[Jessica Kirson]

So, Jessica, that's my first one, believe it or not. Yeah. When people talk speakerphone and I know a lot of people say that. It's really rough for me.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Jessica Kirson]

Like, I've been in the market, and they're like, I told you I wouldn't be back until, like. And it's on high volume.

[Joe List]

Yeah.

[Jessica Kirson]

Like, you're taking up my space.

[Joe List]

I never got that.

[Jessica Kirson]

Disgusting.

[Joe List]

And then you hear the other person, too. I'm like, right. What's wrong with this? Whatever happened to this? Why do we have to hear your. Your other side of the conversation?

[Jessica Kirson]

It's incredibly rude.

[Joe List]

It is.

[Mark Normand]

This is what we all used to do, by the way. I do it sometimes. You forget your headset. You just. I just do this, and it's fine.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah, me too.

[Joe List]

I had the guy on the flight doing that recently. Full FaceTime. Like, we just landed. We're coming soon. I'm gonna be there. We just landed. I'm in row 38, so it's gonna take me a minute. And I'm like, we all gotta hear this and see your ugly wife. Wife. Like, what are we doing? All right, what else you got? People constantly say the word triggered. That's a good one.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah.

[Joe List]

I hate the triggered.

[Jessica Kirson]

Well, especially when it's a joke.

[Joe List]

Yeah, of course.

[Jessica Kirson]

Like, I'll do a joke about myself, like, about something, about my looks or my family, and they'll be like, you know, I'm triggered by what? I'm like, it's my life.

[Joe List]

Yeah. Why are you triggered? Don't leave the house. Then everything's going to trigger you.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah.

[Joe List]

Enough's enough.

[Jessica Kirson]

Pasty mouths are a lot for me.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Jessica Kirson]

My mom has a pace. She's like, how are you?

[Mark Normand]

Like, dry. Dry mouth, Right?

[Joe List]

Yeah. That's no good.

[Jessica Kirson]

There's foam.

[Mark Normand]

It's one of the reasons I hate weed. I. I dry up.

[Joe List]

Sure.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah.

[Joe List]

When I'm bombing, I get that. And, like, what else is going on?

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Jessica Kirson]

Bo.

[Mark Normand]

Hold on. No, I'm all right.

[Joe List]

I've been wearing this shirt for three days. Yeah. Okay. I'm okay.

[Mark Normand]

This is a repeat customer, too, right here.

[Jessica Kirson]

In those old shows, I have people come up to me, like, there's always some old Jewish guys, like, you know, you're gonna be funny. You're gonna make me laugh.

[Joe List]

Yeah, that's tough.

[Jessica Kirson]

There's always a guy there.

[Joe List]

Do they do that to hookers? You gonna make me come?

[Mark Normand]

Well, they should.

[Joe List]

That's true. Good point.

[Mark Normand]

You can't be a hooker and be like, I was trying new stuff.

[Joe List]

You gotta kind of.

[Mark Normand]

You gotta kind of stick the land.

[Jessica Kirson]

Into your off tonight.

[Joe List]

Yeah. The hookers looking at notes. Hold on. All right.

[Mark Normand]

Tongue shaft.

[Joe List]

What the hell is this? Is.

[Jessica Kirson]

This is a big one. I mean, I know people have said these things, but when you're getting off a plane and people behind you. Go in front of you.

[Joe List]

That is annoying.

[Mark Normand]

Get enraged with you breaking the social code.

[Joe List]

I know you talking about in that little. That little aisle to get out. Yeah, I'm with you. That's brutal.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah, especially. Some of them will push you out of the way and just start going, yeah.

[Mark Normand]

If they're like, I got a connect flight. I'm like, but. But if they're just doing it to do it.

[Joe List]

Yeah, yeah. And then what? Are you gonna get up two feet? I know there's another guy in front of you. You had to bump me to get up here.

[Jessica Kirson]

It's ridiculous.

[Mark Normand]

Breaking of social codes really pisses me off.

[Jessica Kirson]

Me too.

[Joe List]

Mm. Okay.

[Jessica Kirson]

Big thing with that.

[Joe List]

Same. Well, what do you got? Did you have one?

[Mark Normand]

Yeah. Well, this isn't even a peeve. This is just like. This is. People are like. People act, like, super scared when it's not really that big a deal. Like, I had a girl over, and we were. I'm not healthy. I'm always fucking dehydrated.

[Joe List]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

So I wake up in the middle of the night. Horrible fucking leg cramp. Like, I'm just like. Like, screaming. I'm like, ah.

[Joe List]

Ah.

[Mark Normand]

And she. And she's like. And she starts freaking out. Like, what's happening? I'm like, what do you mean, what's happening? It's clearly a fucking leg cramp.

[Joe List]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

I'm not turning into a wolf, you know?

[Jessica Kirson]

You're not having. Yeah, I know.

[Mark Normand]

Cramping. But she was like. She was like, ah. And I was like, what?

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah, that's a lot.

[Mark Normand]

You're scared.

[Joe List]

I know.

[Mark Normand]

I'm sorry you woke up like that. This is not a normal thing.

[Joe List]

Right, Right.

[Jessica Kirson]

But you're holding your legs. I used to get them.

[Joe List]

Those are the worst.

[Mark Normand]

God.

[Joe List]

The only way to get rid of it is to walk around. I find.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, you got to walk it out. Have a little coconut water or something. Some potassium.

[Joe List]

But I'm not my mom, but when I was a kid, I would wake my mom up randomly, and she'd be like. Like, I'm six. What are you doing? It's 11:30.

[Jessica Kirson]

Your son?

[Joe List]

Yeah. Your son. I'm wearing a Batman T shirt and a. A Bessie diaper. Like, what do you, like, don't rape me.

[Mark Normand]

You're like, what?

[Joe List]

Exactly.

[Jessica Kirson]

Where's the gun?

[Joe List]

Yeah, Dad's next to you. It's all Going to be okay. And I'm just like, hey, mom, can I get some orange juice? She'd be like, what do you think this is? I'm not wearing a scream mask and holding a knife every time. So I would get scared to wake her. I'd have to hit her with a stick from the Bro Stick 10ft away.

[Jessica Kirson]

Oh, my God.

[Joe List]

Yeah. But she was freaked out. She must. She must have been triggered. Oh, we got Rex. Huh?

[Mark Normand]

Oh, some wrecks. Kissing girl because it asked if I.

[Jessica Kirson]

Wanted to, like, recommend TV shows.

[Joe List]

Oh. What the hell is this?

[Jessica Kirson]

I thought you. So this is my partner, Sarah.

[Joe List]

Oh.

[Jessica Kirson]

She's a therapist. She's a doctor.

[Joe List]

Wow, she's hot.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah, she is hot.

[Mark Normand]

Damn. Nice.

[Jessica Kirson]

She. This is amazing. She grew up hasidic.

[Joe List]

Oh, wow.

[Jessica Kirson]

Couldn't read. I mean, couldn't. Couldn't. Yeah, she couldn't do anything. Couldn't dance. She couldn't sing, play sports. I mean, it was a cult. It's a cult. You know Brooklyn.

[Mark Normand]

Sure.

[Joe List]

Whoa.

[Jessica Kirson]

I think it's a cult.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah. What part of Brooklyn were shooting? Williamsburg area. Crown Heights.

[Jessica Kirson]

Crown Heights.

[Joe List]

Yeah.

[Jessica Kirson]

And. Yeah. Yeah, she's gorgeous. Anyway, she got. She was gay. Could not come out. I mean, of course. Just wasn't even an option for her.

[Joe List]

Yeah.

[Jessica Kirson]

Got married off, had kids, 19 and 20. Yep.

[Mark Normand]

Wow.

[Jessica Kirson]

Eventually came out and left the community. But the story in her book, the stories, it's.

[Mark Normand]

Did she talk to her kids?

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah, her kids are with her.

[Mark Normand]

Wow. But not the ex husband, I'm guessing.

[Jessica Kirson]

No, no. I mean, he's. He's in their lives a little.

[Mark Normand]

But this is like the lesbian Brady Bunch because you got your kid, she's got hers.

[Jessica Kirson]

Her story is unbelievable. And.

[Mark Normand]

Oh, it's cool.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah. And people really are getting so much out of it because all these people are in the community, not just gay. They're in a bad marriage. They're miserable and can't get out. You can't like. Can't get divorced. Can't anything.

[Joe List]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jessica Kirson]

You're set up. She went on six dates with her husband. They had no idea who they were set up. You know, it's a. It's.

[Mark Normand]

It's so old fashioned, so primitive.

[Jessica Kirson]

We're talking real like the, like fur hats.

[Joe List]

Yeah, yeah. And now she's like, I ride my moped through there. I'm just like, what the.

[Jessica Kirson]

That's how she grew up.

[Joe List]

That is.

[Jessica Kirson]

And then she ended up going to get a master's in social or at a doctorate. It wrote a book about it. Speaks and is a therapist. In the city.

[Joe List]

Wow.

[Jessica Kirson]

I mean, she got a doctorate. Like, it's cra. You're not even allowed to study if you're a woman.

[Joe List]

Really?

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah. And everything has to be checked out by the rabbi. It's like. I'm talking. You have to read it.

[Joe List]

Where are the women's rights groups on this? Well, they. They attack a lot of comedians on.

[Jessica Kirson]

A lot of stuff.

[Joe List]

Yeah.

[Jessica Kirson]

You know what I'm saying? Soa.

[Joe List]

I mean, I don't get it. Why is that okay? I don't understand a lot of stuff.

[Mark Normand]

It's not okay.

[Joe List]

I feel like no one's really. People get mad at comedians for saying a joke. But then it's like, I've always had.

[Jessica Kirson]

A thing with that.

[Mark Normand]

They attack people who they think are sensitive enough to respond. You know what I mean? Like, they're not going after fucking rappers who just be like, shut the fuck up. Going after people who are like, am I a piece of shit? They're going after targets they think they can hit.

[Jessica Kirson]

Right. And we're vulnerable.

[Joe List]

Ball. Okay. But that's not.

[Mark Normand]

I'm not saying it's right. I'm saying it's. That's like heroes. No, it's insane.

[Joe List]

It's.

[Mark Normand]

That's their tactic.

[Joe List]

Okay. All right. That's all I needed to hear.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

You don't think I'm on your side?

[Joe List]

No, I'm just. I want to admit this.

[Jessica Kirson]

They do act like heroes.

[Joe List]

That's what I'm saying. Yeah.

[Jessica Kirson]

And, yeah, it is interesting that no one tries to do. But this is like a whole nother world.

[Joe List]

Of course they're.

[Jessica Kirson]

You're not allowed to be around people from the outside.

[Joe List]

Wow.

[Jessica Kirson]

And they have no culture. Like, meaning. They don't know anything. That's with.

[Mark Normand]

They'll hear about this. We have a big orthodox listenership on this pod.

[Jessica Kirson]

So they have no.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, this will get to them.

[Jessica Kirson]

They have no access to. You can't read a magazine. You can't. You can't read anything but. But religious books. Like, I'm talking no tv. Think about that.

[Joe List]

Yeah.

[Jessica Kirson]

If you had no TV in your. I mean, some of them their whole lives. But her. Until she was in her 20s.

[Joe List]

It's just crazy. You're in the, you know, biggest metropolis in America.

[Jessica Kirson]

I know.

[Joe List]

And it's just. Can't have a magazine.

[Mark Normand]

Was she just being like, I should watch the Fresh Prince of Bel Air. I should catch up on some of this shit?

[Jessica Kirson]

Finally, she started dabbling with. She would take her wig off in the car and go to a lesbian bar.

[Mark Normand]

Nice.

[Jessica Kirson]

And then put it back on and go home and, you know, put on jeans and. Yeah, it's really. I mean, the fact that she got her kids out for them, that's really why she did it.

[Mark Normand]

So do the kids grow up Orthodox to a point or no?

[Jessica Kirson]

Well, they were in this whole life and then she got them out and they ended up going to school in the city and having a life. And they're amazing. I was with them last night. Like, they're. One of them's at Columbia getting he wants. And the other one's at Charleston and wants to be a therapist. Like she did that for them. They would both be married off right now.

[Mark Normand]

Is the dad a positive force in the kids lives or no?

[Jessica Kirson]

Well, he's still Hasidic.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Jessica Kirson]

So, you know, they still have contact with him, but it's. They're not in that life anymore.

[Mark Normand]

But does he hold it against them for leaving that life and not wanting to be a part of that life?

[Joe List]

Life?

[Jessica Kirson]

I don't think he holds it against them. I mean, no one was happy about it. Yeah, of course, but because you have to have a Jewish divorce and a legal of. Or you have to. You have to get like. You have to get divorced through the Jewish system first.

[Mark Normand]

That's a crazy process. Like, what's your reason for divorce? This world is insane.

[Joe List]

I know, right.

[Jessica Kirson]

But to them we're out of our minds.

[Joe List]

Right.

[Jessica Kirson]

And they are, you know, at least they're not violent.

[Joe List]

Violent.

[Jessica Kirson]

No, they're not violent. But there's a lot going on in the community.

[Joe List]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

A lot of oppression.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah. There's just a lot of dark stuff.

[Mark Normand]

And the dudes are doing dark stuff too. They're doing some weird sex stuff after hours.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Joe List]

What's up with the tunnels?

[Jessica Kirson]

I was obsessed with that.

[Joe List]

Yeah, that was fun.

[Jessica Kirson]

But there's also.

[Mark Normand]

Sounds like a Seinfeld B side.

[Joe List]

Yeah.

[Jessica Kirson]

She says she was taught certain things that are, you know, about relations. She had to go to ice cream school. This is all in the book school. You have to go to wife school and taught how to be a good wife.

[Joe List]

Some of that we should keep.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, I like that.

[Jessica Kirson]

That some of it made sense. And she told me, I'm like, you know what? This does make sense about relationships and stuff.

[Mark Normand]

Like what? Like what's one positive.

[Jessica Kirson]

I'm trying to think of the one that she has talked to me about. I mean, it's. It's about like communication, like listening. There's all stuff like that. But then it's a lot about, like, how to put a fitted sheet on. I mean, it's really. That's nothing. There's so much other stuff there.

[Mark Normand]

Damn.

[Joe List]

Well, it's not a cooking chapter because I've had the Jewish food, let's be honest. Kugel. What are we doing here? There's definitely.

[Jessica Kirson]

I love cook.

[Mark Normand]

I love Jewish food. I grew up. I grew up on it, so it's like.

[Jessica Kirson]

I love it.

[Mark Normand]

I love. You know, it's like comfort to me, man. Like the. The bagel spreads, the smok.

[Joe List]

Smoked fish is great. The locks is great.

[Mark Normand]

I, I even.

[Joe List]

This is.

[Mark Normand]

No, I'm going to turn off a lot of people here, but I love gilta fish.

[Joe List]

Really, I do. Pull it up.

[Mark Normand]

Throw some horseradish radish on that. It's great.

[Joe List]

It's green jello.

[Jessica Kirson]

No, no, no.

[Joe List]

Isn't it? It's like a fish jello.

[Mark Normand]

I'm gonna get crushed in the comments for this, but I like it. Me, too, because I have it like once a year, and it's. And I like it. Yeah, it was.

[Jessica Kirson]

Oh, how about herring?

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, I like all that stuff.

[Jessica Kirson]

Cream. Cream herring.

[Mark Normand]

I like all of it. I. I'm. I'm in that anymore.

[Joe List]

Gelta is just not a great appetite word.

[Jessica Kirson]

It's sweet. It's. It's sweet white, white fish.

[Joe List]

Sweet white, white fish.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah. And like, it's. It sounds disgusting.

[Joe List]

Yeah.

[Jessica Kirson]

A lot of people like it.

[Joe List]

I never had it, so.

[Mark Normand]

You put me in Russ and Daughters. It's like heaven.

[Jessica Kirson]

Me, too.

[Mark Normand]

That's my favorite place in the Barney. Greengrass. That type of food. I love it, man.

[Jessica Kirson]

I had Sarge's last night.

[Mark Normand]

We went with that.

[Joe List]

I love Sarge.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah, Last night.

[Mark Normand]

Let's trash you. That's Jew food.

[Joe List]

Okay. All right. What's a lot. I like the meats.

[Jessica Kirson]

I like the sandwiches, like noodle, kugel, or potato.

[Joe List]

I don't even know what kugel is.

[Mark Normand]

It's not. It's not my favorite one. It's fine, but it's not my favorite one.

[Joe List]

Good.

[Jessica Kirson]

Noodle cocoa.

[Joe List]

Do you. Oh, that looks pretty damn good.

[Jessica Kirson]

It's delicious.

[Joe List]

Yeah. Oh, all right. I've been. I'm in on the cook. Take it all back.

[Jessica Kirson]

I put apricots in it and raisins, and it's. It's made with cream cheese and butter. It's really fattening, but it's really good.

[Joe List]

All right, I'm down. All right. I take it all back.

[Jessica Kirson]

I mean, some of it's disgusting.

[Joe List]

Okay. Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

Well, which is the one you don't yeah.

[Jessica Kirson]

Passover food. I'm not.

[Mark Normand]

It's awful.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah. Like.

[Mark Normand]

But that's like celebrating starvation. That's the holiday. That's what. That's what we're doing. It's a bad holiday.

[Jessica Kirson]

That's so true.

[Mark Normand]

I mean. I mean, it's. I mean, that's like Jewish Thanksgiving, basically. You get everyone together and you're like, so we just don't eat good shit.

[Jessica Kirson]

But at least you have stuffing.

[Joe List]

Yeah.

[Jessica Kirson]

Like, you can't have bread. The matzah. I like plain matzah.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Jessica Kirson]

But I don't like the matzah desserts and the.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, yeah. It's not good.

[Joe List]

So I used to live in Crown Heights. I lived on the black side.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Jessica Kirson]

Oh, really?

[Joe List]

Yeah. And all the Jews would be like, what are you doing? You're on the wrong side. I'd go, I'm not Jewish. And they would quickly turn away. But point is, I would have to pay my rent. It in hand. In hand. So I have to go into the Jewish area. Of course, it was banana. I mean, everything was written in Hebrew or whatever. And you see a Jewish guy with a tool belt, which I was like, that I've never seen because they all.

[Jessica Kirson]

Do their own jobs.

[Joe List]

Yes. You see a Jewish guy with, like, a police shelter. Crazy. But, like, still the garb. But a tool belt.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah. That's interesting.

[Joe List]

It was one.

[Mark Normand]

It's shocking to see a Jew doing, like, manly work.

[Joe List]

That's what it was. Yeah. Jew under a car, crank in. I was like, what the hell? It was like bizarro world.

[Jessica Kirson]

That's really bizarre.

[Joe List]

It was wild under a car.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Joe List]

And my girlfriend at the time, she couldn't pay the rent. They wouldn't talk to her, so I had to go do it.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah. You can't even look at women.

[Joe List]

Oh, yeah. Crazy. Hilarious. Remember that old Apollo joke? He's trying to buy a car in the classifieds. He's like, all right, I'll go to this guy's house. He meets up with him, rings the doorbell. Hasidic Jew answers. He goes, ah, I didn't know I was dealing with a black belt.

[Mark Normand]

Oh, my God, he had another one. I was thinking about because I just to want watched on Sugar's Wreck that Bin Laden doc on Netflix, the Manhunt one.

[Joe List]

Loved it.

[Mark Normand]

It was incredible. And the third EP is like, just how tense it was.

[Joe List]

Unbelievable.

[Jessica Kirson]

With them looking for him.

[Joe List]

I have to see night vision.

[Mark Normand]

It was incredible. And all the things that went wrong. And this guy. One of the funniest lines is, you know, they, they get out of Pakistan and they, they. The pilot gets it. They're like, the mission's not over yet. We have to get to Afghanistan. And the pilot comes on, he goes, well, this is the only time you'll be happy to hear this. Hear this. Welcome to Afghanistan. Mission accomplished, basically. But it made me think of that all, you know, the wives are being human shields in this. And it made me think of that DePaulo joke, like, the day of bin Laden's death, Apollo is like, you know, his wife, they use his wife as a human shield. If only he was married to Kirsty Alley, he'd still be with us.

[Jessica Kirson]

Very funny.

[Mark Normand]

I was like, God damn.

[Jessica Kirson]

That's it.

[Mark Normand]

Got the angle.

[Joe List]

Yeah, Just came out. Out. Yeah, it's been out like a couple weeks. It's on Netflix.

[Mark Normand]

It's good, man. Yeah, it's. First two episodes are like, fine. They're kind of setting the table. And then episode three is like.

[Jessica Kirson]

How many episodes is it?

[Joe List]

Three.

[Jessica Kirson]

Oh, okay.

[Mark Normand]

The third one, you're just like, wow. And you know, you're reliving some of that, just how horrible that was.

[Jessica Kirson]

Footage of it happening.

[Joe List]

Oh, yeah.

[Mark Normand]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe List]

I mean, they don't show bin Laden dying, but they talk it out. You can see the whole thing in your head. They show the house, they show the kids. It's crazy.

[Mark Normand]

And the decision Obama made to bury him at sea and give him his last rites as to not make him a martyr. It's kind of interesting.

[Joe List]

Very interesting. I didn't know that.

[Jessica Kirson]

I didn't know they buried him at sea.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah. So it wouldn't be like an attraction.

[Jessica Kirson]

This world is so insane.

[Mark Normand]

I know.

[Jessica Kirson]

Look at what happened in Israel and Iran. And now everything's back. Not back to normal, but. Meaning where no one's talking about it.

[Joe List]

No.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah. The news cycle is.

[Jessica Kirson]

Meaning the news is back to, like, just other stuff now.

[Joe List]

Now all I see is big, beautiful Bill. You know, like, we forgot, like, he got shot a year ago. Him and Elon broke up. The LA was on fire.

[Mark Normand]

He wants him deported now.

[Joe List]

Yeah, yeah, he wants to deport him now. It just keeps ramping up. You can't keep a. Kanye's in a clan hood. Who knows what's going on? But the cool thing about this, though, and I'm gonna. This is where I become a. Again. It was just fun. Pro America. Now everybody hates America. So I was like fist pumping on my couch. I was draped in an American flag. I was jerking off. I was drinking a bl. It was great. And not American. That's true. You're right.

[Mark Normand]

But I'm with you for the Miller and I. It is nice to collectively be like, yes.

[Joe List]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

It is kind of crazy. Yeah.

[Joe List]

And. And also, it was just fun. Like, Seal Team 6 is a bunch of tall white guys going into a build. There wasn't like, we got to get a black woman in a wheelchair to be part of SEAL Seem six. There's no trans people on the team. This is great. It was just.

[Mark Normand]

That was my one problem with it. I wanted. I wanted someone in a wheelchair.

[Joe List]

And, you know, I'm like, I'm not against diversity, but just the force shit, where you're like, just let these fucking psycho white men shoot this brown guy. Can we have. Can we have anything? So that was fun.

[Jessica Kirson]

Can we have anything?

[Joe List]

Joking. But you know what I'm saying is that, like, the compound, that was their house. Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

Well, one of the crazy parts is they. They try to bomb the door to get into the compound, and they're like, it's a. It's a fake door. And one of the other guys goes, that means he's here.

[Joe List]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

You don't build a fake door if he's not in there. So that, you know a lot of crazy moments.

[Joe List]

And a helicopter. There was two helicopter.

[Mark Normand]

One crash. I know a helicopter crashes. And they're like, we have a plan B. But the guy that one of the guys in charge is talking, he goes, we have a plan B. We have a plan C. We have a plan D. We have a plan E. Like, we will pivot.

[Joe List]

How about building the set they had to redo? They would rehearse it. Rehearse it, Rehearse it, rehearse. They built a set, and they would tear it down with shooting it up, and then they rebuild it again. It was unbelievable.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah. And then there's all this intelligence in there. So they're supposed to get the. Out of there, but they. They're like. They've got all this intelligence. Like, we got to get it. So they're supposed to be out in, like, 30 minutes. They're at, like, a minute 45. Like, we got to keep grabbing this. And then they're like, get the out. So this is a successful mission because, you know. You know, you don't get out of there. It's not a great story.

[Joe List]

I know. And then. Then he had to get from Pakistan. Was in Pakistan to Afghanistan, which is an hour ride. So then they. They started shooting fighter jets at him to kill them because they're like. They figured it out. So now they're in a helicopter. Helicopter, trying to get back to Afghanistan. And the guy said he was freaking out, so he had to. He had to go to a happy place. He went to Lake Placid in his head. The hockey game. That was the only way he could, like, calm himself down because he's like, we just killed bin Laden. Now I gotta get home. What if I die now? I'm gonna die in the air in this helicopter, like Kobe. And he thought of Lake Placid and he got.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Jessica Kirson]

I don't even know how you do that.

[Joe List]

I don't either. Oh, there's one black guy on the team.

[Mark Normand]

Well, it's like. It's like the. It's like the. You know that in. In the hockey game is like, sounding it out like, you know.

[Joe List]

Yes.

[Mark Normand]

10 seconds, nine seconds. Like, you just, like, just get to the buzzer.

[Joe List]

Yes.

[Mark Normand]

You know, you couldn't even.

[Joe List]

There was no phone to look at.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Joe List]

You had to just live in that moment. Being your head. I'm such a. Now I'm like, no phone for an hour.

[Mark Normand]

I know. They're probably just, like, talking like, who'd you rather bang? Like, that's probably the flight.

[Joe List]

Yeah, exactly. Boy, it was great.

[Jessica Kirson]

Which wife would you want to bang?

[Joe List]

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[Mark Normand]

No, but. And that guy right there. Who Shopping Laden was like, robert Rob o' Neill had a good line. Was like, yeah, we expected. We were, like, ready for it to be a suicide mission, but, like, it's nice to be alive. Yeah, you got a good bar story for the rest of your life.

[Jessica Kirson]

Who's that woman in front of the flag?

[Joe List]

Oh, that guy transitioned. Wow.

[Jessica Kirson]

Wow, that's interesting.

[Joe List]

That's very interesting. I guess you're the manliest guy ever, right? Where do you go from there? You got to go the other way.

[Mark Normand]

Bored.

[Joe List]

He got bored. He's like, I've got peak mail.

[Mark Normand]

He's climbed the mountain.

[Joe List]

Yeah, I gotta mix it up.

[Jessica Kirson]

That's really interesting.

[Joe List]

That's a TV show. This. Let's get this Gal Off.

[Jessica Kirson]

This is a TV show.

[Joe List]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

Click on that article.

[Joe List]

Wow.

[Mark Normand]

Oh, yeah. Kristen.

[Joe List]

Look at that. Interesting. This is fascinating.

[Mark Normand]

Damn. 20 years as a elite US Navy Seal. When operating the. Can you make it a little bigger? My eyesight. Shit.

[Joe List]

I know. Cutting off the left side of it.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, a little cut off there.

[Joe List]

Scroll to the left. A smooch, if you don't mind. There.

[Mark Normand]

Peters, you might not be able to.

[Joe List]

Okay. Yeah, A little more floor.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, just right.

[Joe List]

There we go. Now you got it.

[Mark Normand]

This is like, right Here, just a little to the left.

[Joe List]

Nope. True. What do you got there? I was always hiding a deeper personal secret. Since early childhood. He felt he was a female born in a male's body. He still became a seal.

[Jessica Kirson]

That's unbelievable. Not just a seal, but like you.

[Joe List]

Guys can't claim this, by the way. You can't now say there was a woman on the team.

[Jessica Kirson]

I know. I'm would never say. But you know, it's very sad to me every time I hear something like that. Because the. The risk. Risk that this person it like to do this. Can you imagine?

[Joe List]

Seal or the woman?

[Jessica Kirson]

The transition.

[Joe List]

Oh, sure.

[Jessica Kirson]

After all this.

[Joe List]

Yeah. True black. Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

You're just still not happy. Yeah, it's sad.

[Joe List]

Sorry. White cock down. But yeah, we lost him. Yeah. No, you're right. But at least he pulled it off. Off to being a her.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah.

[Joe List]

So it's a happy ending.

[Mark Normand]

Ryan's private.

[Joe List]

Thank you.

[Jessica Kirson]

I think she's amazing. Yeah, I do.

[Joe List]

On both fronts, I mean, and also.

[Jessica Kirson]

To be public about it.

[Joe List]

Yeah.

[Jessica Kirson]

You're still.

[Mark Normand]

I'm still thinking of more.

[Joe List]

Oh yeah. More puns. Damn. Yeah. I got nothing. Ben Lavy. Okay. All right. But yeah. Wow. What a story. What an ending.

[Mark Normand]

It was cool. Yeah, it was. I mean the first two episodes are like just setting the table. They're fine talking about it. Yeah. And like how they're gonna respond and like how they just can't find this guy. And it's crazy. They use footage of bin Laden in an interview to see how he walks so they can kind of tell if it's him walking around in the cave.

[Jessica Kirson]

Wow.

[Mark Normand]

Cause he had a weird walk. He's a tall guy, six five. So you know, he did. He. It's amazing. You do an interview and you're like, you think you're giving away nothing. He did an interview with this guy. He wouldn't allow follow up questions, wouldn't allow a translator.

[Joe List]

How crazy is that?

[Mark Normand]

I mean, wow.

[Joe List]

But you know, and then he goes, he had a translator. And he goes, what'd he say? He goes, we gotta get the fuck out of here. That's what he said.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah.

[Joe List]

And so they're like, all right, let's go.

[Jessica Kirson]

Was his house extract? Like, it was.

[Joe List]

No, no, it was a.

[Mark Normand]

But he was worth a lot of money. It was worth like 250 mil.

[Joe List]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

Could have bought a sports team.

[Joe List]

Yeah. He was a nepo baby.

[Mark Normand]

I wouldn't, I wouldn't have flown in the jet. But yeah, his dad had a lot of money. It was like construction or something, right?

[Joe List]

Yeah, something like that.

[Mark Normand]

Like that.

[Joe List]

So he was loaded and he did all these plots around the world. Like he had a whole team and he was. He was a bad dude. Death to America. Thank God we haven't heard that again since he died.

[Mark Normand]

Everyone likes us now. It's awesome.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah. Yeah. That stopped right after this.

[Joe List]

Yeah. Weird.

[Mark Normand]

What if we all get kidnapped in Saudi Arabia? It's like a this is the end type movie.

[Joe List]

But we saw the podcast. We've been waiting. We had. We hired you just to kidnap you. All right. Hey, we know Hassan Minaj.

[Mark Normand]

They're like, oh, yeah. They take a bag over his head. We're like, you're here too. This is terrible.

[Joe List]

Oh, man. Man.

[Mark Normand]

God damn.

[Joe List]

Well, yeah. Jess, where you gonna be? You gonna be on the road? You gonna. You got stuff coming up.

[Jessica Kirson]

My whole schedule is on jessicurson.com and I have. I have my new Hulu special called I'm the Man.

[Joe List]

Nice.

[Jessica Kirson]

And, yeah, I love it. I'm really proud of it. Bill Bird executive produced it. Executive produced both my specials.

[Joe List]

Did you feel like. When it came out, did you get a pop? Did you get a buzz? Did you feel like.

[Jessica Kirson]

I think yes. But again, it's like the summer's right after.

[Joe List]

Yeah, true.

[Jessica Kirson]

I think in the fall, I got a. I'm getting a lot more followers.

[Joe List]

Great.

[Jessica Kirson]

A lot. But, yeah, I have a big YouTube channel where I put long crowd work clips.

[Joe List]

Beautiful.

[Jessica Kirson]

Which are so much fun. And then I have a big Tik Tok page and hell yeah, Instagram and everything. You know, it's all dates coming up.

[Joe List]

I mean, this is like this Hampton Beach Casino, Turner Hall Bar, Milwaukee, Grand Hall, Brunswick, Tulsa, Fayetteville. Boy, you're going to the deep.

[Mark Normand]

Oh, Kane's Ballroom is epic. You got to go to Andolini's Pizza and.

[Jessica Kirson]

Wait, where's Cane's? Oh, Tulsa.

[Joe List]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

That's like one of those, like, famous. The Sex Pistols punched a hole in the wall.

[Jessica Kirson]

Really?

[Mark Normand]

We just left it there to show you it's badass.

[Jessica Kirson]

Oh, that's cool.

[Mark Normand]

If a comedian does that, you get a bill.

[Joe List]

But if a cool.

[Mark Normand]

If a cool band does that.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah, yeah, of course.

[Joe List]

Kansas City, New Haven.

[Jessica Kirson]

I mean, some of these people I've never. Some of these places I've never been to. Like, if you. Whatever, you don't.

[Joe List]

You'll go anywhere. I love it.

[Mark Normand]

Birmingham. Huntsville, Alabama. Jacksonville. Florid. October 10th and 11th in Washington, D.C. philadelphia.

[Jessica Kirson]

The audience is there. I'm meaning, like, their fans who want to come out. I'M going to milk it.

[Joe List]

Same here.

[Jessica Kirson]

I'm going to do shows.

[Joe List]

I love it. I went to Guadalajara because we had fans there. Really? I'll go anywhere. Yeah.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah. You're a very. You work your ass.

[Mark Normand]

State Theater, I love that. That's a great one. Portland, Maine. Northampton, Mass. Coral Springs, Florida. Dallas.

[Jessica Kirson]

Hampton is amazing.

[Joe List]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

Really it is nice.

[Jessica Kirson]

Right near amherst, where know UMass.

[Joe List]

It's great.

[Mark Normand]

Houston. Yeah. San Antonio, Norfolk. You're cooking. Richmond, check out. You gotta hit. We're talking about Jew food. Perley's Jewish Deli. Richmond, Virginia. That's a spot. I'll remind you. It's killer.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah, I want to go there. That's awesome.

[Mark Normand]

Madison, Wisconsin and Minneapolis.

[Jessica Kirson]

I mean some of these places I've been so many times and I love that. Madison, Minneapolis are great.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, we got there, boss. Yeah. Boston, August 7th at the Wilbur. Then I'm at the Irvine Improv. August 22nd. We got Oklahoma City. The following weekend, Bricktown Comedy Club. The venetian in Vegas. September 19, Rochester Comedy at the Carlson the following weekend. That's a fun one. The Chicago theater. October 4, Winnipeg. And then I'm doing fucking Europe, so I'm gonna be all over Europe.

[Jessica Kirson]

So do you have your Europe dates or.

[Mark Normand]

No, they're not on the site here because we're pre recording here. They'll be up this week. I bet. They should be up now by the time this episode's out. So it should be Barcelona, Lisbon, I think Lisbon.

[Jessica Kirson]

That's great.

[Mark Normand]

Fucking. Yeah. As I said I earlier.

[Jessica Kirson]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

I can't bringing a buddy with me.

[Jessica Kirson]

Okay.

[Mark Normand]

Just like a non comic friend.

[Jessica Kirson]

Oh, really good.

[Joe List]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

Paris, London, Manchester, Dublin. All Amsterdam and Berlin and Milan, as I said. And then we got Salt Lake City, we got Reno, Nevada and we got Wise Guys. Oh, it's classic. I. I've been there. I've already been there this year I'm going back. I love it. I love the club. And then we got a December 1st fourth, Carnegie Hall, New York City. Hope to see you there. So get the tickets on that.

[Joe List]

That's exciting. Hey, I'm gonna go bomb outdoors in Calgary. Las Vegas at the Palazzo. Dallas, doing a nine sold out show. This is because I'm doing a special in September. So I'm getting it all buttoned up in Addison. So come on out to Dallas, Dayton, Halifax, Effects, Ottawa, Huntsville, Hattiesburg, San Jose, Boulder, Athens, Oslo, Helsinki, Stockholm, Dublin. And then we're back to America in Valley Center, California. Timonium Magoobies. Rochester's, Niagara, San Diego.

[Mark Normand]

You miss D.C. as well, D.C. thank.

[Joe List]

You, John Wilkes Booth. Thank you. Get some bodega cat, folks. Jessica, your hair looks like. Just kidding.

[Mark Normand]

We love Jessica.

[Jessica Kirson]

Love you guys.

[Mark Normand]

We bet you already. But if you don't get on that. And she's a killer, watch her special on Hulu. She's one of the best. See you guys next week.

[Joe List]

You're the man. Sunday's a day for my next bender. A bit of piva wreck. You know, the beer juice. Close. I've had a little too much burping. And Norman's talking shit about the fucking poke. And I get down in the same way up on the roof like the cops coming and naked Samuel is feeling dangerous I'm out to lunch here in New Orleans this woman doesn't look like I remember her And I get down in the same way we might be true.