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All right, back to the show. And that takes me to number seven, which is a wonderful quote by Ray Dalio. You can have anything, but not everything. And if you're anything like me, as a kid, you would dream about the perfect life you would want. As an adult. I thought I would have the perfect job, the perfect family, the perfect everything. And in my early 20s, struggling with life and everything professionally, I thought to myself, well, if I just made this amount of money and got that promotion, my life will be perfect. Of course, as you grow older, you'll learn that the world isn't that kind. You learn that human nature is never to be completely happy. Happiness can be an emotion, but it's always fleeting. And you want more. Whether it's love, money, success, or perhaps you want all of it. The world is a complex place. And just like every cloud has a silver lining, the opposite is true as well. Let me give you an example. Being a teacher at heart, I'm biased and wanting to help young people break through. And even as I've, which you can probably tell from this episode, gotten a bit more cynical with time, I come from a place where I want to help. And so every day I have someone who wants something from me in my inbox. Perhaps it's 10 people, perhaps it's more. One of the common requests I get is something along the lines of, I love your show and I have XYZ product I want to sell. Can we please do a revenue split which seems to be a reasonable business proposition if it comes from a true friend of the show. We share the upside together and there is, quote, unquote, no downside. But let me take one step back. So here in the Investors Podcast network, we make a few million dollars in advertising. All that is good and well. And the way the system is set up is that advertisers come to us and if a campaign works, we get paid, and if it doesn't work, we also get paid. In other words, there's no financial reason to do a revenue split on an unknown product, and obviously even less with a business that's typically in its infancy. That's why they suggest a pure revenue split. But here's one example of how you can have anything but not everything. If I don't Respond to the young ambitious man. I kind of feel bad about it. I mean, I used to be that guy, and it was my rite of passage to grind and find a way to succeed in business. So I want to get back to him and decline and explain why. And of course, order this politely. And if possible, I would like to give advice. And I want him to know that it's not a no to him, but it just doesn't make financial sense to us to do a no cure, no pay for an unknown product. And I want to wish him luck. I certainly don't want to ignore that email. I've been on the other side of the email, and I feel terrible about being ignored. So you might be listening, thinking, well, that's all good, and, well, why don't you just spend five minutes and then you respond to this young man and then you get on with your life. So this goes to this principle. You can have anything, but not everything. Again, I could choose not to respond to him, but I would feel bad about it. But if I do respond, this young man is thinking, this is great. Stig is actually responding. And a good salesman doesn't take no for an answer. So I will continue to approach Stig until he gives in. And all of a sudden you have the 10 requests, each of them taking five minutes. That's probably okay. You spend 50 minutes of your day, but then the next day you have 10, plus the other 10 that you had from the day before because now you have a conversation. And then obviously the third day you would have 30, and so on and so forth. And so, of course, this is just one example to illustrate my point. But I think we all have a version of that in our lives. Perhaps you're in a situation where you can have your dream job just two hours away from your home, or you can take a less good job next door. But your dream job adds four hours to your day and likely a lot of road rage. If you're listening to this podcast, you're likely quite successful, or at least you want to be successful. And this is not just empty flattery. There's a strong selection bias to those who listen to this podcast, who study billionaires and how they live their lives. And you're likely in a situation where you have the talent to do anything you want. If you truly are obsessed with being successful, nothing is stopping you from achieving that. But what I wish I had known back then, and what I would tell my younger self today, is you can have anything, but not everything. You can rise to the very top of your profession in the corporate world. You can train to run a marathon or you can become a successful business owner, but every time you say yes to something you love, you say no to something else. And so what I've learned and what I wish I knew back then was that the best thing you can hope for in life is to struggle well. And on that note, I want to go to the 8th advice I would give to my 20 year old self. Become financially independent before 40. And yes, even after knowing that you have anything and not everything, you probably still want everything. Well, welcome to the club. That is why I suggest at age 20, you need to make the decision to become financially independent before age 40. And I was torn about whether or not I should put this down as advice. After all, it would be better to say something inspirational like follow your passion and don't think about money. Well, I've seen young people follow the money in an occupation they don't like. Then they get lifestyle creeps. That means they can't stop doing what they do and as a result they become miserable. That's clearly not the advice I've given to my 20 year old self. So what do I mean? Well, when you're 20, you're in a great position because you typically have low spending. Keep it that way. Low spending gives you a lot of freedom. Even though at age 20 you might feel like it's the other way around where high spending gives you a lot of freedom. Well, I Already recorded episode 689 Where I Talk about my journey into financial dependence. I'll make sure to link to that in the show notes and I won't repeat all of it here, but if you allow me to be a bit of a grumpy old man here, I don't think following your passion blindly is the way to go for most 20 year olds. You can 100% find successful people who did just that and through being a starving artist became rich and famous. But simple base rate math would disagree with that choice. If you can find a career where you're 8 out of 10 passionate, that can lead you to financial independence before age 40. It's better than the starving artist route. Even if you think that the starving artist route is a 10 out of 10 on passion. And partly I say that because nothing in this life is really a 10 out of 10. The world just isn't that kind. And if something is 10 out of 10, it's only a question before it is no longer. Unless you're born into a rich family, which most of Us are not. You have to do things in the right order, accumulate wealth first, and then get your freedom. You can do it the other way around, but it's so much harder. Obviously you don't want to start in a profession where you're 3 out of 10 passionate. You'll burn out and you'll not reach financial independence. You have to find the intersection where you're adequate, passionate, but you can also make money. And on that note, I sometimes wonder why reaching financial independence was so important to me, and whether I should truly give that advice to others who are 20, or if it's specific to me and kindred spirits. Now, I grew up in a beautiful countryside of Denmark, 45 minutes from where I live today. And perhaps the best way to explain what it is, just because it's top of mind, is Netflix's show Virgin River. But I should say without the crime and trauma and probably also less attractive people. But well, every morning I walked to school and it was only a few hundred meters away. You had to time when you left, though the road closed in the morning and in the afternoon when the cattle crossed the street. And to me this was just the most natural thing in the world. My parents always had stable jobs. We never liked anything. The summers were long, sunny, beautiful. And often my dad would take out his guitar and the family would gather around a bonfire, singing songs and making twist bread. And my parents still live in that house, and it's a place with fond memories. I come from a village where you're ambitious on behalf of your local community, but perhaps less so professionally. You worked for the man, and everyone seemed content with that. You worked until you retired. And while many liked the job and perhaps more importantly, didn't dislike it, it was really the social activities outside of work that made the difference for most people there. Because the journey of financial independence was so important to me, it has been natural for me to believe that it's equally important to others to become financially free. Before 40, perhaps that is. Or wrong. I've certainly seen in my local community how there are so many wonderful, happy people where I never was something that they aim for. But it is still nonetheless the advice I've given to myself. Age 20, and that takes me to the next advice number nine. Remember that time passes by. Anyway, make the most of it. Your life is how you spend your time. It's that simple. And it's that hard. That said, at age 20, I wish I knew the time would pass by anyway. Okay, so I'm a slow learner. And what do I mean by that, well, I absolutely love Jim Collins book Good to Great. And the book teaches you how corporations go from good to great and how doing so doesn't take any longer than staying good. You simply have to make a different choice about becoming great. And once you see it, you can't unsee it. Let's take the world of sports. Arguably the best two footballers in modern times are Lillian Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo. And what fascinates me about them is that they won everything and still they're super hungry to continue to be the best even after all their prime. And it's just not how most people are wired and certainly not outside the world of sports. It just frustrates me when great footballers don't want to give it their all. Think about it like this. They're playing an away game and spend a day traveling to that stadium. It's not like they have something better to do for those 90 minutes than to go on the pitch and be the best version of themselves. And why not do the best that you can? And I see this in business all the time. Many have jobs they're not passionate about. I've certainly been there. But if you're tied to your desk for eight hours anyway, why not do your best in those eight hours while you're there? Not because of the company and certainly not because of your boss. Perhaps you don't like either, but perhaps you want to perform for you because that's who you are. And I find the idea of time passes by in a way to be a fascinating mental model of the world and I heavily lean into it in all walks of life. Like so many other people, money can be burning a hole in my pocket, and when I was 20, reaching my financial goals just seemed daunting. But time is passing by anyways and why not liberate the beauty of compounding? I usually hit a wall between 10 or 10:30pm and I don't feel creative or productive anymore. My opportunity cost at this time are typically to, I don't know, doom scroll on my phone. This is typically whenever I would double down on a good non fiction book. And if I want something lighter I might read at 10k or 10q which is typically a bit easier to digest and can be skimmed if need be. And when you make the decision that time passes by anyway, you also know that whenever you're just worn out after a long day, you have lower willpower and you don't make good decisions. So you have to make decisions about how you want to make decisions. And so what do I mean by that? Well, I have a terrible habit of always having my phone around me. So what I do at that time is that I always carry a book with me in the room that I'm going into to make it easy for me to read the book instead of scrolling on my phone. Also, I tend to like junk food at night, so I always make sure to have fruit available. It doesn't always work, but with small things, you can ask yourself to be the best version of yourself. So remember that time passes by in a way. You don't have to be messy to be the best version of yourself. And that takes me to advice number 10. Do what you say and say what you do. The origin of this was something I cloned from Manus Pabrai and my friend and co host, William. If it wasn't for them, I don't think I would have discovered the powerful framework from David Hawkins. In short, people can sense whether you can be trusted or not. They may not be able to tell you why, but your subconscious mind is strong and recognizes certain patterns with people you encounter. Think of new people you met over the past month. Do you know why you trusted some and not others? The key to unlocking that trust is to do that. By saying what you do and doing what you say, and when you do, you radiate authenticity. And people would start trusting you, but you have to act accordingly. You can't be trustworthy on command. Either you do it or you don't. And other people can sense that. It's a survival mechanism that is hardwired in us. Now, doing what you say and saying what you do is a hard way to live. Let me give you an example of how this mindset. To commit to such a life can be exhausting and make you say stupid things. So last weekend I was out with a friend and his girlfriend and his girlfriend asked me if there was something I wanted to become better at. And I not so elegantly said, I wish I was better at lying. Now that is not a nice quote, is it? Well, my friend's wife understandably got quite confused by this seemingly odd statement. I mean, who would want to become better at lying? I don't know. Con men, perhaps. But we live in a society where to function socially, you're obligated to tell white lies. You tell your boss that the COVID activity has been fun. And when someone calls you and you don't want to talk to them, you say, I was just about to call you, even if that's the Last thing you want to do. I know I've done both. A few years ago, I made a commitment to myself to say what I do and do what I say. And it is a hard way to live your life. But as I found out, if you're hard on yourself, life will be easy on you. And if you're easy on yourself, life will be hard. And it comes in all shapes and sizes. For example, you can be hard on yourself and underspend your income. You can be hard on yourself and not eat junk food. And if you do, life will be easy on you. Not today or tomorrow, but in the long term, if you want to lose weight, you might have a rule about not eating dessert, but you can make exceptions if that dessert is really delicious. And it's seemingly a good rule, but it's also a painful rule because you have to spend mental energy on whether or not you can make exceptions for yourself or not. And this is typically at a times where you know that you don't make good decisions, it's much easier to make a decision I eat dessert or I don't eat desserts than to make a decision every single time. Let me give you an example. During the Berkshire weekend in Omaha two years ago, I flew in a little early to get used to the time difference. So I sent a message out into a mastermind community, and I wanted to know if anyone was up for a walk and talk. And luckily for me, a young man named James said that he would set aside a bit of time to walk around the city and talk about stock investing and whatnot. Now, as I went to the lobby of Martel, I happened to run into Guy Spier's wonderful chief of staff, Chantal Hackett. And Chantal was very kind, and she invited me to the Berkshire Value X event that had just started. And the tickets are notoriously difficult to come by. And I've never participated before, but really wanted to. And I was obviously tempted to take Chantal up on her invitation and then give James a bad excuse for why I could meet him. But the decision was very easy. You do what you say and you say what you do. And I had promised James to go for a walk with him. Now, if I had been the kind of person who would ditch James to go to a cool event, you probably wouldn't be listening to this podcast. You all met that person who promised you whatever it is. But if something is more exciting than you, they are the first to cancel on you. I've certainly had that happen to me many times before, and I Just don't want to be that guy. So I do what I say and say what I do for selfish reasons. In this case, James, who I've never met and by the way did get to meet his super, super nice guy. But it was because I made a contract with myself. Perhaps it seems like a very tough way to live your life, and sometimes it is. Hence my terrible response to my friend's girlfriend about being better at lying. But at the same time, the commitment to make your word your bond is also very liberating. You don't have to think and evaluate if you want to keep your word, you just do it. And the way you do the small things, also the way you do the big things in life. Life has taught me that it's hard always to keep your word. And it's hard to live a life where you constantly break your word. Choose your heart. Alright, shifting gears here, going to point number 11. Let people do CrossFit. Okay, so what do I mean by that? A few years ago, it seemed like everyone and their mother were doing CrossFit. And it was quite easy to tell if someone did just that. Not because they were ripped, even though they probably were, but because they always found a way to tell you within 10 minutes without any good primer. You could talk about the weather and they would suddenly tell you there was perfect weather to do CrossFit. Or if you were having lunch, they would tell you that it's great having carbs because they were just about to do CrossFit, had just been doing CrossFit or something. Something CrossFit. And I think we all have our own CrossFit, something we're really excited and proud about, but that the rest of the world doesn't care about. And one thing I wish I knew when I was 20, and one thing I still struggle with today is not imposing my own values and opinions on other people. In today's polarized world, it's very easy to make assumptions about why others have different opinions than you. Typically, we tell ourselves that it's because the other side, perhaps politically, is just uninformed, they were lied to. Or perhaps they're simply not as smart as you. You will save yourself a lot of headache if you choose your battles. The person you speak to is likely as little interested in being told that they're wrong as you are. So let the other person talk about how proud they are about doing CrossFit and you can obviously make it as metaphorically as you want to. It makes them go strong to talk about it. And perhaps you can even ask into it and learn a thing or two and then move on to other topics. That makes both of you go strong. Let's take a quick break and hear from today's sponsors.

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To the show advice number 12 deserve good things in life at age 20, I wanted to find excuses for redefining success in whatever way that could make me look good and others look bad. For example, if someone had financial success, which few had on their own at age 20, I was the first to point out that it was likely due to someone having a rich father. And while that might be true sometimes, it's an incredible negative approach to life that would not do you any good. When you do this to make yourself look good, we ironically make ourselves look very bad. And it likely doesn't surprise listeners of our show. But Warren Buffett has a profound impact on my life, and we could probably do an entire show with Buffett quotes now. One thing that always stuck with me was this idea of deserving your successes. It's not only the case for financial success, but it's also similar whenever you want to attract the right spouse or a good friend, you start by being a good spouse and a good friend. And it doesn't really work the other way around. At times when you feel a little lost, a feeling that would likely never disappear for good. It has served me well to start with the end in mind. Ask how you can deserve success in whatever way you define it. And this is not the same as saying that the world will be fair. Far from it. But a good starting point is to serve what you want in life, even though it doesn't always work in your favor. It's the right way to approach life. Number 13 Learn from other people's mistakes when you're 20, the world is very simple and it's very complicated. It's a time of experimentation, and you're trying to find your place in the world. It's a time when you make many mistakes, and it seems like you're spending too much time getting yourself back on your feet after life has knocked you out. It might also be the most exciting time of your life because you're exploring so many new things at age 20. I wish I'd been reading more books. Of course, as a student you feel that all you do is nothing but read. But studying a textbook that you're supposed to take an assignment is very different than reading books to learn about the world and how to live a good life. Ever the economist. Looking back, it seemed to be such an inefficient use of my time to make so many mistakes by myself rather than reading books by people who live wonderful lives and just learn from their mistakes. I whistle Stumbled on Warren Buffett and studied how he lived his life whenever I was 20. At the same time, I don't think it would have made any difference at all. Yes, learning from other people's mistakes is cheaper and faster than making your own. And just like you can read about how it is to fall in love and perhaps out of love again, you must feel it on your own body before you really understand it. You can read about how it is to have a family that depends on you as the breadwinner, but at age 20 you hopefully don't have any experience with that. Later you learn how empowering it can make you feel, and then other times how crushing the irresponsibility can be. In preparing for this episode, I asked my friend David from a Mastermind community which advice he would give himself at age 20 and he said lose money. Absolutely love that advice. If you're young and listening to this episode, I hope you will lose money too. Not a lot of money, but enough money to make you humble at a time when losing 50% of your net worth might feel like a lot, but where it really isn't, since your investable assets are only peanuts compared to your lifetime earnings. Gen Zs and Millennials grew up in a time with a strong bull market and easy credit. They might have seen the COVID crash and believe that a bear market is short lived and the market is only up and to the right. And like falling in love, you can read about how it is to lose money, but you have to experience it and suspect that much of the crazy gambling and speculation we see younger people do today has to do with the time they're brought up in, and perhaps it will catch up with them when it's too late. At age 20, I wish I didn't see failure as something negative, which I most certainly did. I wish I've seen failure as life giving me a gem, a gym that was disguised as a seemingly bad experience that I had to unwrap and teach me something valuable in the process. And that is also why my advice number 14 is get your education. In the real world, few age 20 are aware that what you give is what you get. I certainly wasn't aware growing up. I was quite sure I didn't appreciate the privilege of having solid role models in my parents. And looking back, I feel a bit embarrassed about how much I took for granted as a kid. I remember asking my parents if I could be paid to do chores around the house and my father looked at me and said, how about three meals a day and a roof over your head, son? We didn't talk much about money growing up. We Never needed anything. But there was certainly no trust fund for me whenever I turned 21 either. I remember how much I wanted a computer. Well, quickly I learned how many hours I needed to do hard physical labor at the local dairy farm to afford that. After years as a paperboy, I finally got my first real job. I was 16 and I got a job working for $7.60 an hour. It felt like a fortune at the time. I bought a PC. Not a laptop, which almost no one had at the time, but one of those big computers you see in old movies. It was really high tech, it ran Windows XP and it constantly crashed. Sometimes you would see the so called Bruce Green of death. And if you had a computer in that age, you know exactly what I'm talking about. My wife and I sometimes discuss how much we should spoil the next generation. I have two nieces who were brought up similar to me in a household where you learned the value of honest and hard work. And on one hand, I want to give them all the luxury in life, you know, all those luxuries I would have loved to have gotten at their age. For whatever reason, the newest tech and branded clothes seems to determine your social standing at a certain age. And it seemed to be so important in those formative years. And of course also such a nothing burger in hindsight. On the other hand, how can you teach a young person the importance of hard work and saving before consuming if you haven't felt it on your own body? At age 20, I was doing the night shift and at 2pm I would be a temp worker handling dangerous chemicals at local factory. You learn a lot from honest work and also you learn a lot from being the lowest on the totem pole. One of the things is that you learn that you better study hard so you don't have to continue doing so. And I see how young people today have been told by their parents how special they are. I even had a parent of one of them applying for a position with us here at the Amassed Podcast Network on his son's behalf. And yes, I'm not kidding. What I would say to myself at age 20 and everyone else at that age is that you're special, but don't expect special treatment when you meet the real world. Yes, you may one day follow your passion, and yes, you might one day find a lot of purpose in changing the world. And you may or you may not be destined for greatness, but at age 20, it doesn't really matter. Be humble and don't think that honest work is beneath you. Keep your head down and work hard with integrity. And that is also why My advice number 15 is enjoy the phase of your life you're in. When I asked my godmother which phase of her life were best, she said it wasn't the right question to ask. She said that all phases of her life were wonderful in their own way. And I've been pondering that for quite some time. I've certainly had phases of my life that was just very, very painful. And I don't subscribe to the idea that what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. In many cases, I found that some phases in my life was just terrible, full stop. That being said, my godmother is right that you should lean into what is wonderful in that phase of your life. I certainly do not miss being 20 with all of the insecurities that came with that age. But I miss certain things from that time. The feeling of time being infinite is one. And on that note, this feeling of being immortal and that serious illness was something that only happened to others and certainly not something that could happen to my family or to me. At the same time, I don't believe in the whole idea that the truth of how to live a good life will be revealed. Whenever you're on your deathbed, you optimize for different things in your different life phases, and that is okay, too. When I was 10 years old, Disney made Lion King, and I absolutely loved that movie. And if you were lucky enough that your parents would buy a VHS tape. Yes, that is what it was called. Well, then whenever you finish the movie, you would rewind the tape and start watching the Lion King from the beginning. And I don't think you would find many people saying that rewatching Lion King repeatedly is a good use of life. At the same time, I have absolutely no regrets doing that. You optimize for different things and different stages of your life. And you will later find that if you can't waste hours, you would waste years. Just Before I turned 23, I attended summer school taking a course in international trade and investment. Fool of myself. I thought I would be getting an A. Well, I got a C. It certainly wasn't the grade I was hoping for, but I found myself quite preoccupied with this young woman in the class and didn't spend much time reading. Of course, that young woman ended up with a top grade in our class, and I partly attribute that to her just being much smarter than me. And as I remember it, she wasn't as preoccupied with me as I was with her. Well, all is well, it ends well. And here 17 years later, we're coming up on a 15 year anniversary. After meeting my wife, I didn't do a good job spending time with my parents. They only live 45 minutes away so don't really have a good excuse and I've since spoken with my father about it and I told him that I didn't feel too good about my neglect and he looked at me and said what hopefully other fathers would tell his son that a young man in his early 20s finding his new girlfriend and partying with his friends more interesting than spending time with his old folks were probably a healthy and completely unnatural thing to do. Again, you have different ages and different things you optimize for and fast forward I often hear from people near the end of their lives that they regret working too much and not spending enough time with their friends and I think it's a completely understandable regret, but also depends on how the chips has fallen for you. I think if you put a camera on my shoulder it looks like I'm working on tip 16 hours a day and it's the first thing I do whenever I wake up and it's the last thing I think about whenever I go to bed. But I don't see it as work and it only has a positive connotation. I see it as a beautiful journey with friends where we're helping each other out and I can't see how I can spend 16 waking hours better than that. So I don't divide my time between friends, less family and work. But I want to take my friends and family into the wonderful world of tip that doesn't feel like work but purpose. We can't all be that lucky, but it certainly wouldn't happen if we didn't ask for it in life. And it doesn't imply that I don't have any regrets. I've made so many mistakes I would rather be without. But your regrets should be seen in the faces of life you're in. Regrets also builds character and is an education on the wonderful journey into adulthood. After all, reflection plus pain equals progress. Number 16 have fun. And I'm a little torn about including the next piece of advice about having fun. Much misery in this world has come from being unable to delay gratification and I hope this point doesn't come across as countering that. Certainly many 20 year olds are too busy enjoying life and do not prioritize education or setting money aside for investments and let the magic compounding do its thing. However, I also think that there is an adverse selection of many who listen to our show. At age 20, just starting my undergraduate studies, I attended conferences, spoke with potential employers about the prospect after grad school and looked at various salary tables. Today I would tell the young man to kick back and enjoy life more. Those things will come in due time. Remember to have fun and enjoy the good things about being 20. In my first job after college, I did three rounds of interviews only to realize the extra work I had done to get the highest grade made zero difference. The trading company had heard a rumor that I have a reputation for being a half decent hold on player and that was really the skill set they were interested in. After my first job, my second employer couldn't care less about my grades or extracurricular activities and I hope this doesn't come across as you not working hard in school. You certainly should, but many who listen to this show are already in the top 10 and thought was really hard on being top one or perhaps even point one in whatever field they're in. And I completely understand that mindset. I had it myself for many years and honestly I still have that today. I have a really really hard time letting that go. At times it seems like being number two is just the winner and being the first loser. But today I try to look at it a little bit differently. Though my competitive side sometimes get the better of me. You don't know how much time you have in your hourglass. Remember to have fun being the top one or top 10% of students. It likely doesn't make much of a difference when you're 40 and look back at your life. But don't miss out on the fun things. All those fun things you can do whenever you're 20, they just won't come back. And similarly, Whenever you are 20, you think that whenever you're 40 you will no longer have the problems you're currently facing and therefore your life will be so much better. And by and large indeed you don't have the same problems. But here's the kicker. You will just have exchanged one set of problems with another and it never stops. The best thing you can hope for in life is to struggle well. Advice 17 Be intentional about your relationships, but not too much. Aside from family and a close knit group, I don't have many close relationships today that are forced before the age of 28 and sometimes it makes me sad, but it's also a very conscious decision. Before age 28 I didn't have much of a strategy for the people I surrounded myself with. And please don't get me wrong, they were not bad people. It was just people who happened to grow up near me and later it was friends who happened to study the same thing as I did or worked the same place that I worked and I had a blast with those people. At the same time, I felt that something was missing. I believe in making your own luck, and the friendships in my life were often made so because they coincidentally happened to be geographically adjacent. When I was 20, the world was very much where you were based. Sure, everyone had Internet access, but you didn't seek out online communities like you do today with very like minded people. When you wanted to find people with similar interests, you looked around your city to see if you can find kindred spirits. When I turned 21, my wife was doing a part of her PhD in Sweden and I had a year's garden leave from my training job and it was the perfect time to explore new relationships. I found an online community called Buffett's Books and this is where I met my future co founder of the Investors Podcast network, Princess Preston Pesch. And looking back, what was so amazing was that I didn't need to meet that person, in this case Preston in real life to build a relationship. The new world allowed you to make friends all over the world. In that sense, our mastermind community has been a blessing and I hear the same story for all our members because it's my own story. We meet up online and share our thoughts on stocks, portfolio management, intergenerational wealth and whatnot, and we do it because we like each other. But the reason why we joined and found new friends in the first place is because we couldn't find any of our assistant friends to go on that journey with us. And back in 2004, when I was 20, I wish I had been more intentional about my relationships and found friends with similar niche interests worldwide instead of only looking locally. Now, ironically, I'm also grateful that I didn't. When you're 20 years old, you don't know who you are. I surely didn't. And you meet many different people from all walks of life and then you can let serendipity take over. As you grow older and you get more dedications, you really want to make your time matter and you typically only have so much time you can dedicate to your friends and you want to maximize that time. It's completely natural and we all do it. We know that one hour with one friend could be spent on one hour in your job or with your family, and it's great being intentional with your time, but it's also incredibly limiting and can sometimes make you cynical. Having relationships with people over zoom is wonderful because you can with intention connect with the most like minded friends globally at any time. But it's also terrible because it limits you from having experiences together and you feel there is a counter on your call and a mental agenda that has to be prepared. If I could give myself Advice at age 20, I would be more intentional with relationships in my life, but again, not too intentional. Set a direction for your life and then perhaps sometimes count yourself lucky. Then what happens is not what you had planned. Advice number 18 start compounding now you probably think that this is the section where I would say that you should start compounding capital at age 20 and as such it could be. We all know that compound interest is very powerful in that a dollar compounding can turn into an incredible amount of money giving enough time. It is however less so the intention, as valid as it might be at age 20. I wish I knew that. Like I said here quite a few times, if you're hard on yourself, life will be easy on you. And if you're easy on yourself, life will be hard on you. And it's a piece of advice that is valid in many walks of life. One is health. It was very easy on myself at age 20 and it meant that so many things in life became hard. I mainly lived off bacon and frozen pizza at the time. And of course whenever you are 20 your body can tolerate more than whenever you get older. And like so many young men, after the excitement of moving away from home and not having your mother tell you to eat healthy food anymore, you perhaps realized that she was probably right all along. Diet is nonetheless something that can be hard to change if they become a habit. Now, lucky for me, I met my wife at age 22 and it didn't take long before she turned me away from takeaway into home cooked meals. But I wonder sometimes what happened. If she didn't, I likely shouldn't wonder. I see it among my peers where the chains of food habits are too light to be felt until they're too heavy to be broken. And it reminds me of this wonderful piece of advice I got years ago. The advice was simple and yet profound. It was to read everything you can until you turn 30 and then spend your time re reading the best books. Now, I don't think you should take it too literally, but it is how I think about many things in life. I tend to be curious about everything in life, but I'm also aware that one hour doing X is another hour you can't doing y when you're 20. That is not how you should look at the world. You should both do X and Y Try everything. This is not an age where you know what you like and dislike, and if you're lucky, this should be the time for a bit of an adventure. When you grow older, you feel like time is going faster and faster, and the reason is that you have progressively fewer new experiences as you get older. We might be stuck in the rat race and do the same thing every day, and even if we escape the rat race, we might have figured out which routines we like and we therefore get fewer new experiences. Our perception of the world just becomes more automatic. But regardless of the reason, our perception of time changes. For better or for worse. You don't know how you are the best version of yourself and how you should spend your time to achieve that. And perhaps as you grow older, you're too sure of that. And even worse, you might be mistaken in that when you're 20 you can make the best of both worlds and explore yourself and the world without the scars and the following precautions advice number 19 loneliness is an unwelcome guest, but be hopeful when I was 20, I felt lonely. In a way, it's odd to say. So I just moved to a new city and I loved hanging out with new people I met and I enjoyed exploring the city. It felt like every day was a new adventure. At the same time, ironically, I felt quite lonely and I felt most lonely whenever I was around other people. Being an undergrad was a time for me and for many others where they explore who they are, they experiment with different things never tried before. And it's also a time where you to a large extent, don't decide who you hang out with and what to do throughout the day. You follow a program determined by the university and you happen to hang out with the people who happen to attend the same program. You find that most of the relationship you forge are there for a reason, a season and less so for a lifetime. It was not before I found the value investing community close to the age of 30, that I truly found kindred spirits in the world of investing, business and life that all interact so wonderfully together in the value investing community. Now, whenever I attended a conference last year, my father asked me whether I was growing as Stack or as stack from tip, and I wasn't sure how to respond to that question and it made me surprisingly sad. The value investing community has allowed me to connect and be friends with high quality people I never would have chance to meet. It also boxes me into a role of being less stick the random dude and more stake from tip, which is sometimes wonderful and other times feels incredibly lonely whenever I interact with others in the community. And if I could go back to myself age 20, I would tell him that with age you get more opportunities to be around kindred spirits. But I would also tell him that loneliness is an unwelcome guest that seems to drop by at the most inconvenient times. I would also tell the young man that being alone and lonely are two very different things was something I didn't do a good job of understanding at the time. And then the final advice number 20 don't carry the world upon your shoulder. Now admittedly I 50% chose this as the final advice because it's part of the lyrics to the Beatles hate Jude. But 50% is also because it's good advice. So when I was 20, it seemed like everything was black and white. I had a hard time putting up with how unfair the world was. And here, 20 years later, the world is still unfair. So what has changed? Partly, as you grow older, you start to see the nuance of more things in life. You see that some things and some people are not purely bad or purely good. You see how complex the world is and how seemingly contradictory facts can sometimes be. When I was most in emotional turmoil about how terrible the world was, my father would tell me that I couldn't change the world. He said I could change the world for those close to me and in the local community and being more pragmatic today, I find that to be good advice. The responsibility to make the world a little better than whenever I found it is still ever present, sometimes more often than others. I met some of the best capital allocators in the world, and I met wonderful people who want to improve the lives of the least fortunate. There is sometimes an overlap, but most often not. While I'm far from being the best capital allocator, I still have a sense of guilt that I continue to wrestle with. A part of me wants to buy and consume the finer things in life, and a part of me feels a deep social obligation to give back to society, as it feels like I've gotten so much more than what I contributed, and it comes in all shapes and sizes. With my skill set. The best thing for society is probably accumulating capital and then funding a terrible organization. If I work for $1,000 an hour, it's an inefficient allocation of resources for me to pursue in a shelter. And it would be mathematically better if I kept my head down, worked extra hours and donated more money instead of volunteering my time at the same time as well. Meaning as most charities are most of them optimize for feeling good and resources are allocated terribly as in that case you can argue that capital allocators such as you listening to this podcast should work on the design on charity. As such, you can argue that capital allocators such as you guys listening to this podcast should work on the design of charities. This could be a way for you to generate a social higher return than $1,000 per hour. But if all you do is organizational work and you never get to meet the people you want to help, it can be draining and it might prohibit you from helping in any capacity in the first place. Now I'm engaged in a foundation that's co founded by team members here at tip. We want to provide education for kids below the poverty line and if possible, provide housing for them because many of them come from, let's say, not so stable homes, if not outright abusive homes. However, in this specific country we're working in, it's incredibly difficult to build real estate if you do not bribe government officials. I've obviously refused to pay any bribes, even though the sums we would face in the grand scheme of things are minuscule at best. It would simply not be aligned with my values to even consider that and as a result the meaningless amount paid as bribe which is not even considered as a bribe to locals because it's more similar to a one time property tax stops poor children from safe housing and I sometimes wish that I was 20 and I thought I had all the answers. The older I get, the more I'm aware of how little I know for sure. And no, I should say that I am 100% confident that you should never pay bribes to anyone. But that's not the point. The point I want to make is no matter where you are, life will continue to challenge your values and your ability to tell right from wrong. And if I could give my 20 year old self any advice, I would tell him that if you are directionally correct in how you approach life and business, that's really all you can ask for. Hold yourself to high standards and do not beat yourself up when you fail, because you will. You're just human like everyone else.

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