E.R. Fightmaster & Katie Kershaw Take Over Welcome To The Party

Summary

Podcast Summary: Welcome to the Party

Episode: E.R. Fightmaster & Katie Kershaw Take Over Welcome To The Party

Date: July 2, 2026
Hosts: Abby Wambach, Julie Foudy, Billie Jean King (frequent), plus special guests E.R. Fightmaster & Katie Kershaw

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Episode Overview

This crossover episode is a riotous, joyful takeover where queer comedians/actors E.R. Fightmaster and Katie Kershaw bring their signature wit and energy to “Welcome to the Party.” The hosts and guests blend playful competition, genuine insights about queerness in women’s sports, high camp, and community-building into a nearly hour-long celebration of inclusivity, levity, and queer contribution to the sporting world. The episode is marked by personal stories, hot takes on how to “queer up” sports like soccer and basketball, and an irreverent, love-filled game segment.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Pride, Queer Community, and the Joys of "Queering Up" Sports

Timestamps: 00:27 – 14:08

• Abby and Julie recap their Pride Month activities, notably a Hermosa Beach gay cornhole event (00:36).
• A comedic “takeover” occurs as Fightmaster & Kershaw “kick off” their own gay sports podcast (01:17), proposing collaboration and blending the two shows.
• Warm, joke-filled introductions: E.R. Fightmaster (actor/musician, Human Rights Campaign Visibility Award) and Katie Kershaw (actor, known for “Killing It” and “Fargo”) (02:04).
• Discussion about how to “queer up” traditionally straight-coded sports events like the World Cup.
  • E.R.: “I get really upset when they're wearing the long… They should be wearing short shorts.” (06:59)
  • Katie: Suggests a rule where every time players fall, “they should help each other stand up and give each other a little kiss.” (07:26)
  • Jokingly push to banish the offside rule for being “very homophobic” (07:58).

Memorable Quote:
Katie (on men’s soccer): “Every time they fall down, they should help each other up and give each other a little kiss.” (07:26)

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2. Gender, Representation & Parity in Sports

Timestamps: 09:25 – 13:50

• Abby shares the paradigm-shifting fact that, for the U.S., men’s and women’s national soccer teams split prize money equally—a first and a point of pride (09:25). This altered rooting interests for the U.S. men’s team, even among staunch women's sports fans.

  • Host 1: “That's paradigm shifting information for us.” (10:41)

• The group riffs on how, if queer women ran FIFA:

  • There would be enough women’s bathrooms.
  • The VAR replay system would be renamed “Are We Sure, Babe?”
    • Abby: “Are we sure, Babe?” (12:52)
  • Indigo Girls would soundtrack replay reviews; Brandi Carlile would headline opening ceremonies.

  Memorable Quote:
  Abby: “If queer women ran FIFA… VAR would be called ‘Are we sure, babe?’” (12:52)

  Katie: “Every time we stop to review, we need to hear Indigo Girls ‘Closer to Fine’ as we get closer to the call.” (13:11)

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3. Queer Culture in Women's Basketball & Soccer

Timestamps: 18:21 – 24:08

• Kershaw highlights WNBA coach Cheryl Reeve’s viral “We should have done it for the gays” clip—applauding open queer acknowledgment in women’s basketball fandom (18:23).

  • Katie: “Logically, The W isn’t 100% gay in their players, but I’d say emotionally, it's 110% gay.” (19:33)

• Abby recounts being mistaken for a fan at an LA Sparks game—a comical doppelganger incident that led to a potential courtside meet-up (19:42).

• The group discusses the “waves” of out athletes in women’s soccer, with Abby and Megan Rapinoe’s teams being especially “the gayest gays that ever gayed.” (22:19)

  Memorable Quotes:
  Abby: “When Pino and I played together, probably the gayest, because we’re like the gayest gays that ever gayed.” (22:19)
  Katie: “Women's soccer is making up for lost times. I mean, y’all feel pretty gay.” (21:46)

• They touch on the 1999ers’ World Cup team as a site of “many gay awakenings.” Brandi Chastain's famous shirt removal is cited as mythically important for queer viewers.

  Abby: “It's the kick that created the most gay women in the history of all things.” (23:59)

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4. The “Queer MVP” Conversation & Queer Influence in Women’s Sports

Timestamps: 24:17 – 30:00

• The crew debates Megan Rapinoe’s joke: “every championship team has a gay player on it.” By extension, the conversation explores the broader, foundational influence of LGBTQ+ athletes and fans in building women’s sports fan culture, community, and advocacy.

  • Host 1: “They’re always the first fan base...because they have nothing to lose by being there.” (25:26)
  • Julie: “Queer people give us courage to do more...There was always a greater purpose...comes from the LGBTQ community.” (26:45)
  • Katie: “It’s never just playing for yourself. You’re playing for all young people, all queer people, all young women.” (28:16)

• The conversation smoothly transitions into the additional “twists” and depth that queerness brings to women’s sports, both on and off the field.

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5. Bracket Talk: “Queer Madness” and Community Rituals

Timestamps: 35:30 – 41:40

• The guests explain their show’s “Queer Madness Bracket,” a March Madness-style contest between “iconically queer” and “classically gay” events/behaviors.
  • Includes inside jokes (“cropping anything,” “fanfic,” “two pinkies almost touching”).
  • Generational humor: Abby jokes about feeling “geriatric gay” (39:31).
  • Fanfic is defined for the uninitiated: “It’s kids that wish there were more queer representation, writing it for themselves and then sharing it in community spaces.” (40:39)

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6. "What's the Gayest?" Game with Julie Foudy

Timestamps: 41:50 – 45:33

• Foudy presides over a hysterical round of “What’s the Gayest?”—choosing between classic, tongue-in-cheek stereotypes (jean vests vs. studded belts, Birkenstocks vs. Doc Martens vs. toe shoes, whittling birds, pit bull ownership, Indigo Girls, etc.).
  • The hosts and guests riff off her answers: “You, to me, are the gayest non-gay person I’ve ever met.” – Abby (45:41)
  • The panelists cackle over generational touchstones ("crusty white dog is the gayest? I never knew that!" 45:04)

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7. Rapid Fire & Final Fun: Power Slap & Party Pose

Timestamps: 46:47 – 50:26

• The jocular signature: “Who would you want to be power slapped by, but in a slightly horny way?” Results:

  • Katie: Cherry Jones.
  • Host 1: Cate Blanchett in “Tár.”
  • Abby: Ariel, from “The Little Mermaid.” (“This is a pod exclusive. I’ve never told anybody that story.” – 48:36)
  • Julie: Michelle Obama. (“You might die, but you’ll come back gay and it’s so worth it.” – 49:19)

• Raucous “party pose” and the classic “Oosa” team cheer close out the fun (50:16, 52:01).

  • Katie’s computer dies before the cheer; the team jokingly yearns via “two pinkies almost touching”—a running gag and callback to queer yearning memes (51:40).

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “Every time they fall down, they should help each other stand up and give each other a little kiss.” — Katie Kershaw (07:26)
• “If queer women ran FIFA… VAR would be called ‘Are we sure, babe?’” — Abby Wambach (12:52)
• “Logically, The W isn’t 100% gay in their players, but I’d say emotionally, it's 110% gay.” — Katie Kershaw (19:33)
• “When Pino and I played together, probably the gayest, because we’re like the gayest gays that ever gayed.” — Abby Wambach (22:19)
• “It's the kick that created the most gay women in the history of all things.” — Abby Wambach on Brandi Chastain’s legendary moment (23:59)
• “Fanfic...it’s kids that wish there were more queer representation, writing it for themselves and then sharing it in community spaces.” — Host 1 (40:39)
• “You, to me, are the gayest non-gay person I’ve ever met.” — Abby Wambach to Julie Foudy (45:41)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Pride Recap and Podcast Takeover — 00:27–01:50
• Meet the Guests & Queer FIFA Segment — 02:04–13:50
• WNBA and Gay Fanbases — 18:23–24:08
• Queer MVPs & Influence in Women’s Sports — 24:17–30:00
• Queer Madness Bracket & Generational Jokes — 35:30–41:40
• "What's the Gayest?" Game — 41:50–45:33
• Power Slap & Closing Party Pose — 46:47–52:08

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Tone & Atmosphere

The whole episode is inclusive, irreverent, playful, and celebratory. It’s driven by in-jokes, community folklore, queer culture references, and a mutual warmth between all speakers. There is both seriousness (around visibility and representation) and high, affectionate camp (“the gayest gays that ever gayed,” generational banter, “Are We Sure, Babe?” as VAR replacement).

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For First-Time Listeners

This episode is a masterclass in how sports, humor, and the queer community collide in joy and solidarity. Through games, banter, and candid talk, listeners get a glimpse of why queer women are not just fans or former athletes, but the backbone and heart of women’s sports culture. If you want to know why and how “the first party rule is: have a sh*t ton of fun,” this is the episode to start with.

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End of Summary

Transcript

[Katie Kershaw]

Attention.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

The party is about to commence.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Welcome to the party.

[Julie Foudy]

What's up, party people? I'm Julie Foudy.

[Abby Wambach]

And I'm Abby Wambach. Hi, Jules.

[Julie Foudy]

Hi, Abigail.

[Abby Wambach]

How are you?

[Julie Foudy]

How we doing?

[Abby Wambach]

Good, good, good.

[Julie Foudy]

Yeah.

[Abby Wambach]

Yeah.

[Julie Foudy]

Pride month just wrapped up.

[Abby Wambach]

Can you believe it? Another one in the books.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

How was it? Did you know?

[Abby Wambach]

It was good. We did this Hermosa Beach Pride gay event. We did a cornhole, and me and Kristen Keys were teammates.

[Julie Foudy]

I love her, by the way.

[Abby Wambach]

Yeah, yeah. And it didn't.

[Julie Foudy]

You were teammates? The cornhole competition?

[Abby Wambach]

Yeah, we lost. It was sad.

[Julie Foudy]

Oh, Abs. We don't lose. We don't lose, Abby.

[Abby Wambach]

I know, but the other people won, and so that was good. But it was just really cool because it was. It was, I think, the first time they had this kind of event. They had, like, food and this cornhole tournament and me and Kristen Keats.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Hello?

[Abby Wambach]

Oh, what are you.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Sorry, what. What's going on here?

[Julie Foudy]

Wait, who is that? Who's here?

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Hi. Hey. Sorry, we reserved this link.

[Katie Kershaw]

Wait, yeah, this is our rivers because we host a gay sports podcast and

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Riverside only allows one gay sports podcast.

[Julie Foudy]

What?

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

So we're either bumping you off here or we have.

[Katie Kershaw]

You want to share?

[Abby Wambach]

Oh, geez. We're gonna have to. I think we should share.

[Julie Foudy]

Yeah, definitely.

[Abby Wambach]

How this goes.

[Katie Kershaw]

All right. For.

[Julie Foudy]

For sure. That's right, party people. Welcome to the jocular party.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Let's go, let's go.

[Julie Foudy]

We've got er, Fightmaster. An actor and musician known for their work on the Hulu series Shrill, the A24 film Sorry, Babe. And as Kai Bartley, the first non binary do ABC's Grey's Anatomy. They've spent the last two years touring their music under the moniker Fightmaster and just released their first full length album, Tolerance. They are the 2023 recipient of the Human Rights Campaign Visibility Award. Go on.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Seriously?

[Julie Foudy]

Okay. Katie Kershaw can most recently be seen in recurring in season two of the Peacock original Killing It. Before that, she recurred on season four of the FX series Fargo. She previously starred in HBO's limited series Mrs. Fletcher opposite Katherine Hahn. Her athletic career peaked when her fifth grade basketball coach asked her to sub in and she said, I can't. I'm having a conversation. And she hasn't stopped talking since. Yeah, that's me. I love that so much.

[Katie Kershaw]

Kade.

[Julie Foudy]

Yeah, Kade. Let's go.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Welcome to this.

[Julie Foudy]

Well.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Oh, my.

[Julie Foudy]

Wait, wait. Despite Tian's absence, shouldn't we intro her? Yeah, we should. Right? Okay. Tian is a comedian, actor, and Writer. She starred as Ellen and How I met your father and Lucy and Mr. Throwback. She's also really sad to me, missing two people whose World Cups she recorded on vhs.

[Katie Kershaw]

It's true.

[Julie Foudy]

Sorry to say it was vhs, but it's the truth. Er, Fightmaster and Katie Kershaw, you queer icons, welcome to the party.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Let's do it.

[Katie Kershaw]

Okay.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

That was too nice. That was too nice that we had no idea what was gonna happen. I don't even know how you knew all that. No idea. We want to do some intros for you guys, too.

[Abby Wambach]

Oh, gosh.

[Julie Foudy]

Okay.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Abby Wambach. She her Gemini.

[Katie Kershaw]

Julie Foudy. She her Aquarius.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Welcome to Dracula.

[Katie Kershaw]

Aquarius.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Aquarius.

[Abby Wambach]

Wait, before we get started, I have a fun.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

So nice to be here.

[Abby Wambach]

I'm so excited, but I have a fun little fun fact. Er, you have been one of the most. So my wife wrote a book called Untamed, and it could be made into a film or a movie or whatever jargon you guys use in Hollywood world. And you, er, are often a person that many people recommend to play me. Ooh,

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

well, would be the honor of my lifetime.

[Julie Foudy]

2.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

If it comes out and I'm not playing you, I will boycott it. They're not. Three, It's. I've. I've seen those comments, and the. The. The great honor that I received from that is that you were one of the first, like, more mask queer people I'd ever seen in my life. So it would really be full circle. And I'm willing to go, yes, let's go.

[Abby Wambach]

Let. So good. So good.

[Julie Foudy]

Oh, this is going to have to happen. We just put it into the universe. Make it happen.

[Abby Wambach]

Yes, I know.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

That's how it works.

[Abby Wambach]

But here's the problem. My wife, anytime somebody gets suggested, she, I think, gets nervous because she doesn't want to make me think that she thinks that that person's attractive. So she's like, they're not as attractive as you. And I'm like, babe, I.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Okay, I'm. I'm gonna foster. So I'm gonna make up some text messages between me and Glennon that are just like Glennon texting me, being like, you are ugly. And then I'll. I'll send them to you guys as proof. Yes, yes.

[Abby Wambach]

Anyways, little fun. Fun factoid.

[Julie Foudy]

Oh, I love it.

[Abby Wambach]

Okay, so thank you. The World cup is here, right? We know the World cup is here, and it is the straightest event on earth. And my question to you all is, how do. How should we queer it up? Like, what If Queer women ran feature,

[Katie Kershaw]

okay,

[Abby Wambach]

what would it look like, do you think?

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

I know for a fact. I get really upset when they're wearing like the long.

[Katie Kershaw]

They should be wearing short shorts.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

What's, what's going on with that? God gave you thoughts that appeal to all people and you're coming into God's green earth and wearing like long old school basketball shorts. X nade no, there's rules.

[Katie Kershaw]

You know, I was, I was watching the. I mean, first off, I make it a rule not to watch men's sports, but I take, you know, I'll make an exception for World cup. And I was watching the Iran Egypt match and my mom was watching it with me and she never watches soccer and she was like, good Lord, they just keep falling down. They can't stand up. So I think every time they fall down, they should help each other stand up and give each other a little kiss just to say, yeah,

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

totally. That's so.

[Abby Wambach]

Yeah.

[Katie Kershaw]

And I also, I, I don't understand. I refuse to understand offsides. It feels very homophobic. I think we get rid of it. They had that second vote. But, you know, I digress.

[Julie Foudy]

I know that was messed up.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

That was messed up.

[Julie Foudy]

I was kind of heartbroken for them in that moment. Like the fans and the little boy crying.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Yeah, I, before we came on the pod, I was like, re watching the 99ers penalty kickoff, like. And I was, I've seen that a billion times. But this is the first time I like paid attention to the audio. And at one point the male announcer is like the second mother up to kick. And I found it so bizarre. He refers to like two of the players as mothers and not players. And so I think that if we, if FIFA, if it was run by queer people, I would insist that we would call all the men that had children daddy players.

[Katie Kershaw]

The next daddy player.

[Julie Foudy]

Who's your daddy? Who's your daddy?

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Who's your daddy?

[Katie Kershaw]

Who's your daddy?

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Two small kids at home is missing his daughters. Incredible. He made it here to be here

[Katie Kershaw]

to do this kid. We are so.

[Abby Wambach]

This is a little, this is a little fun fact, Katie, for, for your mom and er, for you too, those of your listeners and followers who don't normally watch men's sports. Something to know about this tournament specifically is that our women's national team actually shares the prize money with our men's national team equally. So how well our men's national team does. Our men's U.S. national team does. The women are at home making mailbox money. So this can Give you something more to cheer for these men to keep going further in the tournament because the further they go, the more money they make, meaning the more money the women make.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Is it usa? Is that true? Oh, my God. Is that true across the board? No, no, it's just.

[Julie Foudy]

Just us. Yeah.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Oh, no.

[Julie Foudy]

I mean, the women have always cheer for the men, for sure, but now I am imagining they're like, come on. Because the prize money for the men's side, of course, I mean, huge.

[Katie Kershaw]

I'm watching it.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Absolutely.

[Julie Foudy]

Every time the U.S. plays, that's going to change.

[Katie Kershaw]

I am back on board.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

I can't.

[Abby Wambach]

That's.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

That's paradigm shifting information for us like that. That's crazy because I was gonna root for on. And I know I don't want to upset anybody, but I was gonna root for. Oh, I am rooting for co Because I was like. Well, I was like, it's a bad time here, so I'm just gonna root for our neighbor and because I'm not exactly happy with the country right now, but now that I know that it's gonna be fed back to our gals. USA all the way. Let's go. I'm gonna be playing.

[Katie Kershaw]

Is there anything, like, hornier than just opening it? You're like, oh, here's a little residual check. Oh, here's this, like, mailbox buddy.

[Abby Wambach]

I am happy.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Cool.

[Katie Kershaw]

Horny. I want it.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Yes.

[Katie Kershaw]

It's so Good.

[Abby Wambach]

Yes. That 19.20 $19.20 check I get for doing a voiceover for Blaze and the monster machines. I love that shit, Abby. I love it.

[Katie Kershaw]

I got a residual check for 19. Like, yesterday. Exactly. 19. It wasn't for Blaze, unfortunately, but this time.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Julie Foudy]

Crushing.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

My lowest has been 92 gorgeous. But I was so. I was thrilled as a title. That's right.

[Julie Foudy]

Okay. I think if queer women ran FIFA, there would actually be enough bathrooms for women to tinkle in. And I am a frequent tinkler. And so I have a little tea bag for a bladder. I would really love it if queer women could add some bathrooms.

[Katie Kershaw]

Oh, 100.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

A tea bag for a bladder is the cutest way to say that it's leaky.

[Abby Wambach]

Okay. I've got a good queer. I've got a good idea for if queer women ran FIFA. You know, var. The reviewing. The video review system that they do. I think we should rename it and it would be renamed to Are we Sure?

[Julie Foudy]

Babe?

[Abby Wambach]

Babe, Babe, Babe, Are we sure?

[Julie Foudy]

So, Glennon.

[Katie Kershaw]

Are we sure?

[Abby Wambach]

Are we sure, Babe?

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

And it's okay if we're not. It's okay if we're not sure.

[Abby Wambach]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

That's what it's for. Yeah, definitely.

[Katie Kershaw]

I also think every time we do stop to review, we need to hear, like, Indigo Girls closer to. Fine. Just kind of, like very.

[Julie Foudy]

Yes, yes.

[Katie Kershaw]

As we're getting closer to the call, we just hear that kind of going in the background.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Yes.

[Katie Kershaw]

Oh, that would be beautiful.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Beautiful.

[Julie Foudy]

So far we have little Brandy Carlisle, opening ceremony.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Running with a big flag.

[Katie Kershaw]

She could do it. Yeah.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Oh, a hundred. And it would be, like, studded 100% without a doubt. Yeah.

[Katie Kershaw]

I like this new FIFA. I think this is a better FIFA.

[Julie Foudy]

Wait, when is this World cup happening? I want. I want to play. I want to start playing again in this world.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

We're booking now, and you are shortlisted, so do not burn.

[Abby Wambach]

Okay, Jules. So as an official sponsor of the FIFA World Cup 2026, Dove is using one of the world's biggest sports stages. Okay. To champion a different kind of goal. Okay.

[Julie Foudy]

Yeah. I love this.

[Abby Wambach]

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[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Yeah.

[Abby Wambach]

So from now until December 31st, your Dove purchase keeps girls in sports. Go get your Dove stuff, guys. Learn [e-mail] purchase to donate learn more about Dove body confidence sport program and how to keep girls [e-mail] let's talk

[Julie Foudy]

about game day, but not like actual game day. I want to talk the fit because look at. Look at me.

[Abby Wambach]

Oh, like fan game day.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Abby Wambach]

Okay.

[Julie Foudy]

And look at you. How cute are we right now?

[Unknown Male Speaker]

Because my kids are like, give me

[Julie Foudy]

that, give me that. I know, I know. Same. I was like, y', all, look what I got.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

They were like, what?

[Julie Foudy]

Okay. Because whether you're a die hard fan or you're just there for the Vibes. What you wear on game day is, like, part of the whole experience. And this episode is brought to you by Levi's. And Levi's has always sat at that intersection, which we love, of sport, style, culture. And now they're partnering with some of the most iconic football federations in the world. I love that they're doing this.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

So good.

[Julie Foudy]

Obviously, the usa, as we see with what we're rocking, but also Mexico, England and France. Come on. I want the whole collection. And it's all about rethinking fan style because the match is the occasion, of course, but Levi's is the lifestyle. So when you're dressing for game day, are you abs thinking about you're going to dress for the team? Are you. Are you dressing for the vibe? Are you dressing for the photos? What. What are you thinking?

[Unknown Male Speaker]

It's sometimes hard to look cool and also wear something that is branded of your team of choice. Right. So for us, we're obviously rooting for the usa and. And it's hard to find cool stuff to wear. That for me, like, that's different.

[Abby Wambach]

Exactly.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

Because everybody has the same thing and everybody wants to be a little different and have their own spin on it. So for me, it's like, nobody will, like, this jacket is 100% what I'm wearing. Oh, and also, I don't know if you can see. Let me show you the back, because the back is so amazing.

[Julie Foudy]

I think you always have to be dressing for your team. So I'm always dressing for my team, but I'm thinking, like, okay, rather than just the jersey, can I do something fun? And that's why when I saw this red jacket, I was like, oh, give it. Giz it. As they say in England. Gizzit, Gizzit. Give it to me. Because I just thought that's so cool. And I love Levi's denim looks. Check out their collection and find your own take on fan style. Head to Levi.com.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Katie, I think you've got a good one for us.

[Katie Kershaw]

Oh, when we're talking it being pride, we need to go to the WNBA for a second and look at coach Cheryl Reeve. A little clip I'd like to show you. Jack, play the clip.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

We should have done it for the gays. We. We didn't get it done, so we got our lick back for the gays. Is that what you want me to say? She's so charming. My God, I feel like blushy. Oh, yeah.

[Katie Kershaw]

So when they. When they lost, we should have done it for the gays. Was so emotional and I think it healed so many people to just hear this woman say, we should have done it for the gays.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

It's so good finally being audience. Being like really honest about the audience, I think was really refreshing for people to hear. Yeah, because it didn't even need to be like Pride night.

[Abby Wambach]

Right.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

She could have said that any night of the week. It really would have been like, yeah, true, the whole time.

[Katie Kershaw]

I know logically The W isn't 100% gay in their players, but I would say emotionally it's 110% gay.

[Abby Wambach]

Have you guys seen the, the Lakers doppelganger of me? No, so not the Lakers, sorry. The Sparks. The LA Sparks. They have, they have a person who sits on court side of a Sparks game and the, the video TV crew put this person on the video and they have bleach, blonde hair, buzz cut, long top like mine. And it's not me, but they put they thought it was me, Abby Lombach on the screen. As if. I'm like, yeah, so good. And so look like there's doppelgangers of all of us. Probably somewhere in a. At a W game for sure.

[Katie Kershaw]

Without doubt.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Well, was it a flattering, Was it a flattering one?

[Abby Wambach]

Oh, yeah. We look very similar. Very similar. Let me, I'm gonna pull it up. LA Parks Abby Wambach.

[Julie Foudy]

And everyone's comments were even better. Find it, Abby.

[Abby Wambach]

Here it is.

[Katie Kershaw]

I mean, that makes your day. That makes your year to be compared to you, Abby. Like, that has gotta be the best thing that's ever happened.

[Abby Wambach]

Yeah, I commented on it and I can't remember what her name is, but the LA Sparks have now invited me to sit next to this person courtside.

[Julie Foudy]

You gotta do that. Yeah.

[Abby Wambach]

So we're gonna go and who is the real Abby Wambach? Like these sorts of things. But the WNBA has been gay for so long. Since the beginning, it's been out. Like, if it feels like the WNBA has been out way before, it was way cool to be gay. You know what I'm saying? They're like the old. If we could rank all of the sports. It does feel like women's soccer has just like recently come out, but women's basketball has been out and it's like the old time gay.

[Katie Kershaw]

I feel like women's soccer is making up for lost times. I mean, y' all feel pretty gay.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Totally.

[Katie Kershaw]

Would you agree?

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Yeah.

[Katie Kershaw]

Do you agree?

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

I'm more surprised when they're straight players.

[Julie Foudy]

I actually, actually think the current US Team is less gay than before. But the Prior US Team wasn't unabashedly gay. If that makes.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

What's the gayest team of all time for US Women's soccer team?

[Abby Wambach]

I would say the ones that Pino and I played on. Pino and I. Yeah, when Pino and I played together, probably the gayest, because we. We're like, the gayest gays that ever gayed.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

You said it.

[Katie Kershaw]

I'll agree.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Yeah, yeah. The rest of the team could have been straight, but you two together, that would have still been the gayest thing. Team of all time.

[Abby Wambach]

Yeah, exactly.

[Julie Foudy]

The gayest gays that ever gave. That's my line. I'm stealing that one from you.

[Abby Wambach]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

And you know that, Megan, the look is pretty gay. The 99ers look is pretty gay.

[Julie Foudy]

Oh, the 99ers look. Yeah, yeah. And we had a lot of. Of gay women on that. On that team, but they weren't outwardly gay. Yeah.

[Katie Kershaw]

Yeah. And I would say the number of gay awakenings that can be accredited to the 99ers could. Could potentially make it the gayest.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Yeah. I'm so sad TN is not here because TN's ultimate, like, gay moment was when Brandy rips the shirt off. And specifically when everyone runs to Brandy to. To, like, hug her and jump up and down. That is tn's.

[Katie Kershaw]

And it's her point. That's origin story the pig. Is everyone coming Sports bra to hug? I mean, when you're young, you're like, they're touching with less clothes.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

What's happening? Yeah.

[Abby Wambach]

That's crazy.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

And you're all. You're all tackling each other, and, like, everyone's happy.

[Abby Wambach]

It's the kick that. That created the most gay women in the history of all things.

[Katie Kershaw]

The kick that did it all.

[Abby Wambach]

Of all sports.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Yeah.

[Katie Kershaw]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

It's so good. Funny. That was conversion therapy for a lot of people.

[Abby Wambach]

Okay, so this is. This is the thing I wanted to talk about, because I want to know. The queer mvp, like, the gayest team wins. Right? Okay. So Megan Rapinoe, she once joked that every championship team has a gay player on it. And honestly, I don't know. Is she wrong? No, I don't think she's wrong. She's right because they have actually. No, she's wrong because they have many gay players on it.

[Katie Kershaw]

Yes.

[Abby Wambach]

Yeah. And we'll have some fun unpacking kind of, like, the outsized role queer women have played in women's sports, from not just winning titles and building fan culture, but just also to creating the communities that help the entire industry. The sports and the women's sports industry grow. How much of what we love about women's sports that today can be traced back to the LGBTQ athletes and fans, do you think?

[Katie Kershaw]

I mean, how does it. How is it even quantified? Because I feel like it's so intertwined queerness.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

I feel like they're the. They're the first fan base. They're. They're always the first fan base. And I think it's. It's because they're already on the margins, so there's no. They're always paying attention to events that are going to feel. That are going to center marginalized people. So anytime, like a league has started, anytime a team forms that's centered on women or queer people, queer people. And women are the first people to show up and support it because they're so excited for the representation and because they have nothing to lose by being there. And I think there's still some stakes for people who, like, don't want to be seen as people who. Who support women's sports. But queer people do not have that barricade. So they are really the first ones at all of these events.

[Katie Kershaw]

I think it's so important to find your tribe and to find your people, and especially when you're on the margins. I think queer youth, we find it in that team sport. We find it where you are accepted for your talent. You're accepted for how. What kind of team member, what kind of player you are, and you get to be as one instead of be a part of something bigger, instead of being that person just standing right outside. So it attracts that, and I think it fosters that so beautifully.

[Julie Foudy]

I think, too, to that point, queer people give us courage to do more. Like when we had to fight for things. Like I always say, I've never thought about it on that level. What you talked about, er, and Katie of that, they have always been on the margins. And so they've always understood the importance of fighting for the margins and for things that are counter to what society says it should be. And for so long, we always felt like, yes, we want to be winning, but there was always a greater purpose to it.

[Katie Kershaw]

Winning.

[Julie Foudy]

And we call this right. Winning and changing social justice. Winning and showing young women, straight or gay, that they have a place in this world. Winning. And because of what you all had to fight through for so long, then that gave us courage, and me courage, as one of the leaders on the team, to say, we are going to do more than just win. Winning is enough, right? And understanding the value of stepping out and speaking out out is really, I think, something that comes from the LGBTQ community. And so thank you for helping us win the 1999 Women's World Cup.

[Katie Kershaw]

I was wondering when you were going to say it, Julie, so I'm glad.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

We were both wondering. It was getting awkward. We're, like, side texting, like, is she going to thank us?

[Katie Kershaw]

This is really weird. Now there is this being queer, I think, and being in women's sports, there's this, like, pioneer, explorer feel that you have to. Have to it. You aren't just playing for yourself. You're never just playing for yourself. You're playing for all young people, all queer people, all young women, which makes it so much heavier and so much more important when those wins come for sure.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Which is why I think it's, like, hard to feel as invested all the time in men's sports. Like, I think that the.

[Katie Kershaw]

The.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

All of these women's leagues, like, when you. When you're watching them play. And then, of course, there's, like, the queer history that's added on top of all these things. They. These are not people that are just fighting through, like, the physical endurance and hardship it takes to be the best athletes in the world. These are also people that are fighting through all of the endurance and resilience it takes to. To be there with an entire culture that's telling them not to be there. And so you really have, I think, even watching, like, you know, women's soccer versus men's soccer, you know, it sounds like a funny little complaint that we're making about the men pretending to be hurt all the time. But actually, the critique is, when you watch women's sports, women can't flail around like that because there's already an understanding that women are weak and they're babies and they're histrionic. And so they don't get to do these big displays of, like, oh, my ankle. When they've been hit in the arm. And when you watch the men do that, and then they're still, like, these, like, icons of masculinity. The hypocrisy is too intense for me to. Yeah, that is so good.

[Julie Foudy]

I've never thought of it that way. That's brilliant.

[Katie Kershaw]

So maybe when we announce men in soccer, we don't say that they're daddies. We say that they're little boy sons. They're little baby boys, these tiny baby boys.

[Abby Wambach]

And.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

And we. We have to add that the reason we support men's sports is because we have brothers and we have dads, and we want them to have somebody to look up to, which is like, actually, the. The thing about women's sports is and. And queer people inside of women's sports is like, once again, we are always fighting. You guys are. You guys are becoming something that's never been seen before. You're doing it for. You're doing a lot of firsts for the first time for an audience that's never seen this and that is iconic and important. And you are setting up these stories for little girls to see themselves inside of. But the sad part of it is when I hear men talk about women's sports and they're like, I support women's sports because I'm a girl, dad. Or I support women's sports because I'm a daughter. I'm like, well, you could just support women's sports because it's the most elite athletes on the planet playing a game. You could support women's sports because it's a human being. You actually don't get to. To be the one that says, like, I'm a hero for supporting women's sports, because it's really cute that they're doing this for my girl relative.

[Julie Foudy]

Yeah, preach. As you know, one of my favorite things about traveling for sports is that an excuse to see the world through someone else's eyes. So obviously, you're there because you love the game, but you leave with this incredible perspective because you've been hanging out with all these different nations and cultures. And this is exactly what I love about the FIFA World Cup. It's been a perfect example of this because it's has brought together all these different cultures. And as we know, the United States is this wonderful melting pot. We all come from different backgrounds and cultures and languages. I think where you stay plays a huge role in that experience, because when I travel with family or friends even, I love, as you know, finding a home on Airbnb because it gives us a space to actually be together, to be together in community. And we can start off our mornings with coffee in the kitchen and recap the day at night and have real quality time. I also love that we get to stay in neighborhoods where you get a feel of what daily life is actually like. So you discover the local cafe that everyone's recommending and at, and you find the park where families are gathering after work, and you just get a deeper sense of the place rather than just passing through airbnb. The world is meant to meet.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

Okay, Jules. So I try to be pretty intentional about the products that I buy for my family. So when it comes to laundry, I really, I. I choose All Free Clear detergent.

[Julie Foudy]

I love this.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

Yeah.

[Julie Foudy]

Because we're always talking about being mindful with what we eat or what we put into our bodies, but I actually never really thought about laundry detergent in the same way.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

Yeah, I know. Same. And. And when you really think about it, you're wearing these clothes all day, you're working out in them, you're traveling in them, sleeping in them, and then drying off after the shower with them on. So I do think it matters. That's why I like that All Free Clear uses only essential ingredients that jewels tackle tough stains and tough odors. We've got teenagers.

[Julie Foudy]

I was going to say you need that.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

It's exactly.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

It' gentle on the skin, so it's.

[Abby Wambach]

It's also soft.

[Julie Foudy]

Yeah. And it's 100 free from dyes and perfumes and parabens. And I feel that once you know that, you can't unknow it. Which is a good thing.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

Totally. I know. And for me, between our kids and sports gear and just life, there's just always stains, stains, always stains. Like there's always something happening.

[Julie Foudy]

Yeah, always. And honestly, I do feel like workout clothes and watch washing them and especially Declan's like layers of workout clothes and how many he puts on a day is a full time job.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

Exactly.

[Abby Wambach]

But. But that's what's great. Right?

[Unknown Male Speaker]

Because it actually works on all of that. But I still feel good about using it for everyone in the house and myself too.

[Julie Foudy]

Yeah. I love that you can look at the back of the bottle and actually see what's in it and what each ingredient actually does. That level of transparency, by the way, is not just something you usually get with laundry detergent. Plus, my son Declan has really sensitive skin. He has some allergies. So I love that. As I was saying, there's no dyes or perfumes since those can be irritating to his skin. And as we know, skin is an organ, we worry about what we put on the inside of our bodies. So we should also care about what touches our skin too. With clothes and what we wash them in.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

I know. And that is why it makes it such an easy choice. Jules.

[Julie Foudy]

It works. And it's a clean you can feel good about.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

Pick up a bottle of all free clear detergent for your next laundry day.

[Julie Foudy]

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[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

You do not need to understand all of it. It's really about a feeling.

[Katie Kershaw]

It's all about vibes.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

And we have, we set up our bracket and there's two sides of this bracket. There are iconically queer events and there are classically gay events. And we spend the, we spend honest to God, like two weeks thinking about iconically queer things and classically gay things to fill in the team's thoughts through these brackets. Iconically queer thing that made it to the list this year was trauma bonding. Another one was using the word community, letting the body hair grow and none of the things that were classically gay, like just, just quote all the things she said and. And then we let folks vote.

[Katie Kershaw]

It is. And that's hard. It's like letting your baby out into the world.

[Julie Foudy]

What is chopping anything? Oh, cropping.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Is that cropping anything?

[Julie Foudy]

Cropping anything?

[Katie Kershaw]

Yeah, Just taking any old shirt and dropping it. Crop them. Probably thrifted them.

[Abby Wambach]

So I feel like.

[Julie Foudy]

Oh, wait, wait, wait. This is my other question. Two pinkies almost touching.

[Katie Kershaw]

Oh, that's queer. Yearning. The yearning.

[Julie Foudy]

Yearning to touch. Okay, close up, but.

[Abby Wambach]

Okay, here. Here's the thing. I feel like we need to add something in this based on your Gen Z ness, because I'm assuming you guys are.

[Katie Kershaw]

Oh, my God. That's the nicest thing anyone's ever said to me.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

That's. So.

[Katie Kershaw]

I am a millennial.

[Abby Wambach]

How old are you guys? No way. Okay, so then we need to make this millennial slash Gen Z hearted because, I don't know, some of this shit, I'm like, am I now, like, a geriatric gay? Is that what I.

[Katie Kershaw]

We should make a geriatric gay bracket, Abby. You. You submit. Why have we not.

[Julie Foudy]

Okay, that makes me feel so much better.

[Katie Kershaw]

Abs, is there anything you need, clarity?

[Abby Wambach]

Because, like. Yeah, I mean, the cropping. Anything. I have children, so I understand the cropping. Anything. I have. I have. I have queer children, so I get that. Fanfic. What is fanfic?

[Katie Kershaw]

So fanfic would be. So if you take, like, I'll say it. The TV show Rizzoli and Isles, and we rewrite it, that they hook up in every episode. That's fanfic.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

And then you upload. I'm sure that there's fanfic about every team.

[Katie Kershaw]

You're 1,000%.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

But it's just people, like, they're writing. Basically, these fans are writing romance novels about the things that they would like to happen between characters.

[Abby Wambach]

And it's.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

It's really. It's a really queer thing to do because it's kids that wish there were more queer representation, writing it for themselves and then sharing it in community spaces. And then they all. I also. I have a queer teen in my life. This is like. Like, they take this stuff so seriously. Like, I. I find it silly, and they're like, it's not silly, so.

[Abby Wambach]

Yeah, yeah, I hear you. Well, it's. It's freaking. It's genius. I love this so much. It's so good.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Oh, thank you.

[Katie Kershaw]

Thank you.

[Julie Foudy]

It's really.

[Katie Kershaw]

It's really.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

I know you might want to let us go, but you actually can't because. Julie, we have something for you.

[Katie Kershaw]

Oh, what do we got for Julie? Yep.

[Julie Foudy]

Okay, good.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

This is a jocular game that we created and everyone can play, but it's really. It hinges on you, coach. This is Julie Foudy and two cisgendered lesbians and one non binary king Play what's the gayest. Now, we've got a few rounds and I'm just gonna read them off to you and everyone can answer.

[Julie Foudy]

Oh, my God, I love games so much. Yes, but coach.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

What? Whatever you decide, that's the gayest. So round one.

[Julie Foudy]

Whatever I decide, that's the game.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Whatever you decide. Yeah, you. You really can't lose this. We're giving you honorary. You're. You're really into club? In the club? Yes.

[Julie Foudy]

Okay. I can't wait.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

So round one.

[Katie Kershaw]

All right.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

What's the guy? Carabiner jean vest. A two inch wide studded belt.

[Julie Foudy]

I'm gonna have to go with jean vest.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

Wow.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Oh, man. I really thought it was gonna be a studded belt then.

[Julie Foudy]

Okay, I was gonna go studded belt, but that just felt like, too obvious.

[Katie Kershaw]

Yeah, no, that's too obvious. Yeah.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Okay, round two. Is it indoor lock?

[Julie Foudy]

Is it a cropped jean vest? I think that would have been extra gay.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

It's too long.

[Julie Foudy]

It's too long.

[Katie Kershaw]

Okay.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

It's too long. Okay, round two.

[Julie Foudy]

Okay.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Indoor rock climbing, pottery class, and whittling birds.

[Julie Foudy]

Whittling birds.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Correct.

[Katie Kershaw]

Correct.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

That's good.

[Katie Kershaw]

Correct.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

That's good.

[Julie Foudy]

I thought you said whatever I said was correct.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

It is, and you are right. You are right. Okay.

[Julie Foudy]

Okay.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Round three. Birkenstocks. Doc Martens toe shoes.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

Toe shoes?

[Katie Kershaw]

What are toe shoes?

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

They are shoes that wrap around your toes individually.

[Julie Foudy]

Definitely. Definitely toe shoes.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Correct. Round 4. Owning two cats with human names. A collection of plants named after Victorian era lesbian authors. Planning to one day change your car's oil.

[Julie Foudy]

A collection of plants named after Victorian era lesbian authors. I know. Correct. Glenn has plants like that. Come on, Abby, you can. Glenn in the pants. Like that.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Who's your five?

[Julie Foudy]

Who's your dad?

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Oh, yeah. Who is your author? Do you have one? Mine's. Mine would be Virginia Woolf.

[Abby Wambach]

Of course it's Virginia Woolf. Yeah. And of course it's Georgia o' Keeffe.

[Katie Kershaw]

As the artist.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

You know Georgia.

[Katie Kershaw]

Olif. Okay, Olif.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

I'm gonna skip to round six here. This is important. Round six. Lady Gaga. Chapel. Rowan.

[Katie Kershaw]

Indigo Girls.

[Julie Foudy]

Oh, Indigo Girls. Correct. Indigo Girls.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Come on, we got two rounds left. You are on a roll, Coach. This is round seven. Golden retriever, Pit bull or a crusty white dog?

[Julie Foudy]

Pit bull.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Correct.

[Katie Kershaw]

Correct.

[Julie Foudy]

Is it?

[Katie Kershaw]

Yes, that is correct.

[Julie Foudy]

Do you disagree with that? Would you have gone crusty white dog?

[Abby Wambach]

Oh, yeah, yeah. I would have gone crusty white dog. But that's. That. That's what that is, like, the gayest. But I personally like golden, retro.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Okay.

[Julie Foudy]

Crusty White Dog is the gayest.

[Katie Kershaw]

I never knew that.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Okay, this is. This is our final round.

[Julie Foudy]

Okay, this is.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

And this one's really fascinating to us.

[Julie Foudy]

Okay.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Midfielder, Goalie.

[Julie Foudy]

Forward. Oh, this is good. The gayest. This one's easy.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Yeah.

[Julie Foudy]

Correct, Correct.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Perfect round.

[Julie Foudy]

Abby, would you. I mean, you are a forward and a midfielder.

[Abby Wambach]

Yes.

[Julie Foudy]

And you said you were the gayest gays of all gays, so maybe I'm wrong.

[Abby Wambach]

Look, anything that you decided, Julie, we felt like it was correct because we, I believe that you, to me, are the gayest non gay person I've ever met.

[Katie Kershaw]

Yes. Correct.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Yes. Oh, my God.

[Julie Foudy]

Do I get like a crown for that or something?

[Abby Wambach]

I just feel like you're wearing it like the.

[Julie Foudy]

The.

[Abby Wambach]

The amount of hearts that. The amount of gay hearts you've broken for when they find out you're in fact are straight. They're like, really?

[Julie Foudy]

Wow. Because I wear jean vests.

[Katie Kershaw]

What?

[Abby Wambach]

No.

[Katie Kershaw]

And I want to say, Julian, there's always time to grow and change in your life.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Of course there is.

[Julie Foudy]

There is.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

You can.

[Katie Kershaw]

You can reform

[Julie Foudy]

mindset.

[Katie Kershaw]

That's amazing. Okay, we have.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

I guess this is our last.

[Katie Kershaw]

We have one. One more question we ask every guest we have on Jocular, which. Are you familiar with the sport power slapping? Yes.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Yes.

[Katie Kershaw]

Okay.

[Julie Foudy]

No, basically, it's. I know you do this on your show, but. What? Yeah.

[Katie Kershaw]

Two people standing in front of each other, slapping the. Out of each other and whoever stands.

[Julie Foudy]

Okay.

[Katie Kershaw]

Yes. Okay. Abby has watched. So the thing about it is, we like to ask, who would you like to be power slapped by, but kind of in a slightly horny way.

[Julie Foudy]

So I would.

[Katie Kershaw]

I would like to be maybe slapped by, you know, Tony Award winning actress, Cherry Jones, queer icon. I think that would be kind of cool.

[Julie Foudy]

Okay, who would you.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

And in kind of like in a mommy way, I kind of want it to be Cate Blanchett, but specifically in her role as Tar.

[Katie Kershaw]

Yeah.

[Abby Wambach]

Wow.

[Julie Foudy]

Okay.

[Abby Wambach]

That is a really. That. That is a.

[Julie Foudy]

That's a deep, big.

[Abby Wambach]

That's not just a deep cut. The TAR reference is tough.

[Katie Kershaw]

Lydia Tar is tough.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Okay, Abby. Julie. Yeah. It's gonna hurt.

[Abby Wambach]

Okay. I have to do this because this was my very first crush.

[Julie Foudy]

Oh, gosh.

[Abby Wambach]

I want Ariel from Little Mermaid.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Does she use her tail to do it?

[Katie Kershaw]

And does she have a voice or no voice? She has a voice.

[Abby Wambach]

Yes.

[Katie Kershaw]

Thank you, Abby. She always.

[Abby Wambach]

She has a voice.

[Katie Kershaw]

Never take noise.

[Abby Wambach]

Yeah. First.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Abby Wambach]

You've learned it here. I've never told anybody that story.

[Katie Kershaw]

POD exclusive.

[Abby Wambach]

This Is a first.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Yeah.

[Abby Wambach]

Jules, who do you want to slap the shit out of your.

[Katie Kershaw]

Out of your face?

[Julie Foudy]

Okay. Now that I fully understand it,

[Katie Kershaw]

Thank you for taking the time to learn. That's an ally.

[Julie Foudy]

That's an ally growth mindset. Again. I would like to be power slapped by Michelle Obama.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Yes. Yes.

[Abby Wambach]

Good one.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Yeah, I think that's good. I think that will kill you. I think you might die.

[Julie Foudy]

You might. And you'll come back gay and then so worth it.

[Katie Kershaw]

And that's beautiful. Yeah.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Wow. Thank you, too. I really appreciate you answering that for us.

[Katie Kershaw]

How beautiful, y'.

[Julie Foudy]

All.

[Abby Wambach]

This is so much fun.

[Julie Foudy]

Oh, my God.

[Katie Kershaw]

Thank you guys for coming so much.

[Julie Foudy]

This is awesome.

[Katie Kershaw]

Dream come true.

[Abby Wambach]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

It's such an honor. We appreciate it.

[Julie Foudy]

Tell Tien we missed her as well.

[Katie Kershaw]

We will.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Absolutely.

[Abby Wambach]

Okay.

[Katie Kershaw]

The.

[Julie Foudy]

The final two things we do is on our show is we do a party pose, and. And then we're going to teach you our usage here.

[Katie Kershaw]

Okay?

[Julie Foudy]

Okay. So are you ready for a party pose on? Oh, we got to think about this one, abs. This is going to be a good one. What are we doing? Power slap. Yeah, I was just gonna say the same thing. Okay. Party pose on three. One, two, three.

[Katie Kershaw]

Okay, Nice.

[Abby Wambach]

All right, so on our women's national. On our women's national team, I actually slapped myself.

[Julie Foudy]

Did you hear that?

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Yeah.

[Katie Kershaw]

Unreal.

[Julie Foudy]

I don't know why I did that.

[Katie Kershaw]

Thank you.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

Thank you.

[Abby Wambach]

So in 1985, our U.S. women's National Team traveled over to Italy for the very first trip overseas. And the Italians, they would read, like, almost phonetically, usa. And so they called our team usa. And so from the very first trip, they. The team huddle cheer is called Oosa. And so we do this thing at the end of our show. Every show, it's called usa. Usa. Usa. So on three, I'll say.

[Julie Foudy]

Because that's our cheerleader national team cheer.

[Abby Wambach]

And it has been that cheer for 40 plus years, just so you know. So we're teaching the jocular folks.

[Julie Foudy]

Put your pinkies in.

[Abby Wambach]

Put your paws in.

[Julie Foudy]

Two pinkies. Got it. Okay. Do it, abs. Lead us in.

[Katie Kershaw]

All right.

[Julie Foudy]

Wait, did we lose Katie?

[Abby Wambach]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Oh, Katie, come back to us. We need you.

[Julie Foudy]

Katie, we can't.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

No kidding. Come back.

[Abby Wambach]

I'm feeling so.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

She was afraid of the cheer.

[Abby Wambach]

Yearning with myself.

[Julie Foudy]

They're almost touching. Give her a second.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

Well, okay. Katie just texted me and said that her computer has fully died and it's gonna take some time. So she says, send her love, and we're gonna have to. To do this to three of us.

[Abby Wambach]

All right, Katie. Katie, My pinkies are yearning for you.

[Julie Foudy]

Yep, mine are there. There.

[Abby Wambach]

All right.

[Host 1 (Jocular Podcast)]

USA on three.

[Abby Wambach]

Ready? One, two, three. Usa. Usa. Usa. Welcome to the Party is an independent

[Unknown Male Speaker]

production brought to you by Treat Media.

[Abby Wambach]

Treat Media makes art for humans who want to stay human forever.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

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[Abby Wambach]

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[Unknown Male Speaker]

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