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Are you shaving your legs? Are you. What are you doing? In order to give yourself those milliseconds that you're gonna.
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I'd be like shaving my head. Attention, the party is about to commence. Welcome to the party. What's up party people? I'm Julie Foudy.
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And I'm Abby Wambach.
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Abigail, I have been dying to talk to you. I know, I know you had parents weekend. I was away at Mia. Mia Ham's golf tournament. But we need to talk about Nafiza Collier's please exit interview from last week on Tuesday. Oh my gosh. Okay, so in her exit interview for the 2025 season, Minnesota Link Star and WNBPA, that's their players association Vice president Nafisa Collier, called out WNBA commissioner Kathy Engelbert in a four minute red statement that went scorched earth. I mean, it was bold, it was brave, and here is just a glimpse of it.
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We have the best players in the world, we have the best fans in the world, but right now we have the worst leadership in the world.
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She went on to say in that four minutes that the league leadership has been tone deaf, dismissive, willing to sabotage its own product and caring more about control and power than innovation or collaboration. And to a player, to a player, from Caitlin Clark to Asia Wilson to Angel Reese to Paige Beckers, just to name a few, they all supported Fee's statement, which tells you I think so much. And, and mind you, Fee is cerebral and thoughtful and is not prone to big, you know, reactions, but you could tell she had had enough. Enough. Yeah, I get it. I understand. What was your reaction to it?
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Yeah, I mean, first of all, well done, Fee. The league and the players are in this kind of chess match right now working towards signing a deal and coming to terms. And I think that, you know, this is an evidence of how far apart they might really be and these frustrations that the players have and, and Fee stepping up, like it's not an easy position to be asked or to want to step up in the position that, that she did by calling the league out, by specific, specifically naming Kathy in some of the private conversations that they had, which I thought was like kind of brilliant strategically. I think that this is what the WNBA has to do in order to reach the deal that's going to serve them in the best possible way. They have to call the league out where they see holes, where they see gaps, where they see problems. And, and I don't think that it's wrong that that Fee is saying that the The. That the league is trying to have control and power, because that is essentially what the problem is. The league doesn't want the players to have as much control as the players want. And this is the biggest issue. When, you know, we had this with US Soccer, what did you think? Like, what's your overall reaction?
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Oh, my God. I. I mean, I get that emotion entirely that it. It felt like rewinding to our days fighting U.S. soccer, where you get to a point where you're like, I can't. I cannot. I cannot take this anymore. We called it our GFY point. I don't know if you knew this.
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I didn't. What does that mean?
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This is pre. Abby.
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Yeah.
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Go F yourself. US Soccer. So when John Langel, our lawyer, would come back to us with, like, where they stood on the negotiations, we would be like, you know what we're gonna say, John? We're gonna say G. We made him a hat that said G F, Y. So.
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And you.
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You really do. And you could hear it and feel it in the players. You get to a point that you snap and. And you're like, we cannot keep doing this. We've. We've tried talking about it. We've tried negotiating this. And they knew that something bigger had to be done. And Fee knew that and is the perfect voice to do it. My concern is that, as you know, Abby, relationships and trust in. Is so important in all those negotiations. And when that is gone, which it was for us with US Soccer, it's really hard. And you could see it is gone with Kathy.
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Yeah.
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And the commissioner and the league. Like, how you can't get that back.
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You can't.
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It's gone. That trust is gone.
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Totally. And Caitlin Clark said it best in her exit interview, too. It's like, it's gotta be about relationships. It's gotta be people. People first. And I think that is what feels so icky when you're a player and you are giving everything, your whole body, your mind, your soul. Right. And you're out on the court and you are doing everything possible to allow your team and league to not only just survive, but thrive When. When the business side of it comes into it, it makes you feel gross. Right. Like, that they're not taking care of you first. They're worrying. Their worries are. Are mostly about, you know, the BO line and the. The dollars and cents. It's like. But the people are the ones that are making this thing happen. The players.
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Yes.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Exactly. So the relationships. And it's hard to get that back.
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You're right.
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Like, I don't know how, how. I don't know if Cappy can keep this job and get an actual deal done without having the trust of the players. Because a deal and negotiations is. You have to be doing it in good faith. And I don't know if that. I don't know if she's. She's, she's lost it or not, but I. Sounds like she had changed.
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I think she's lost it. I think she has. I mean, this was all indications. And the support from all the players immediately was, I think, another troubling sign for, for Kathy. And then you had Nafisa, who had said, look, I'm willing to meet. But then, according to ESPN's weekend reporting, Kendra Andrews and Ramona Shelbourn that Nafisa actually canceled that meeting she had scheduled, scheduled with WNBA commissioner Kathy Engelbert after Engelbert's assertion at a Friday news conference that Collier's description of some private conversations between them was filled with inaccuracies. And basically, in this reporting by Kendra and Ramona, they said it has, quote, pretty much pushed the relationship beyond repair, as one source put it. So, I mean, not good.
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No, not good at all.
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Not good. And they've got to get their CBA negotiations done by Halloween. Oh, my goodness. It's such a big, historic moment for WNBA right now.
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Really is.
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And with, with the ratings, the record numbers, the revenue, the attendance, it's a lot on the table right now. And when you don't have that trust, as we know. Well, it is a slog, those negotiations.
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It is a slog. And it's like a game of flinch. Right. Like right now. And I think that it looks really, really good for the WNBA players. Like, it feels like they're all standing together and they're standing strong and they're not, they're not ready to flinch.
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No. And that is, as we learned, the key. You stay unified.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Who's driving the bus? We driving the bus. Who's driving the bus? We're driving the bus, as we always say. Oh, he's driving the bus. Okay. Coming up, the Kinger joining us for a conversation with three time Olympic gold medalist Harvard grad and sprinter Gabby Thomas. And before we get to that, let's get this party started with the highlights and headlines you all want to celebrate this week in women's sports. Our party starter is brought to you by Ally the Bank. That's your Ally. And you know where we're starting, abs? We're starting right where we just Finished WNBA Finals. Las Vegas Aces are up two games to none on the Phoenix Mercury in the best of seven series. First time the WNBA Finals has been a best of seven series. Game two featured incredible performances by MVP Asia Wilson, of course, and Jackie Young. Wilson had 28 points, 14 rebounds. Young added 32 points. She went off in that and that. I thought it was the second quarter. 20. Was it third?
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Yeah.
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21 of those points, which is the most any player has ever scored in a single quarter in WNBA Finals history. Beating out Angel McCaughrey's record of 19 points, by the way. And I, I loved Chelsea Gray's feistiness. I mean that woman, I mean beyond that, she just like threads these incredible bounce passes that, you know, thread the needle. She had 10 points, 10 assists, eight rebounds. But she is feisty and fierce and I love. She's just like they had her biked up the whole game. It was so good. And they won game two on Jewel Lloyd' birthday, no less. So happy birthday, Jewel. And the series moves, as we know, to Phoenix for game three tomorrow. Tip off is 8:00pm Eastern on ESPN. And get this, party people. Game four is Friday evening, October 10th. Mark your calendars. Tip is at 5:00pm Pacific Time. Abby and I are going to host our first Watch with Us live event at WatchMe Sports Bar in Long Beach. So for all you California party people or it doesn't, you don't even have to be in California. Just get on a plane, let's go. Come. You have a whole, what, three days to plan this. Come, come west. Come out to Southern California. It's the first women's sports bar in California. Watch me Sports Bar in Long Beach. We are going to be hanging. We'll get there a little bit early. 4 o'. Clock. We're going to be hanging and watching and cheering with all our people. So huge thanks to Ally for helping us throw this party. And we'll be there. Overflow crowd goes into the courtyard. Bring your little beach chair. It's so fun.
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It's gonna be so fun. I, like, literally can't wait. And we honestly, Jules, you and I wanna go all around the country to all these women's sports bars that are popping up and watch with you. Watch women's sports with you. Because to me, the community of women's sports is the best and we have the best time. And so we are coming to a bar near you at some point in the near future. At some point. Come and join us this Friday, October 10th. It's going to be a blast and then up next, we want to talk about the PWHL. It's dropping their 2025, 2026 schedule. It's a very exciting time. The third season of Professional Women's Hockey League starts November 21st with an opening night doubleheader featuring incoming expansion team Seattle and Vancouver, along with a game against the reigning champs Minnesota Frost and the Toronto Scepters. There are now. It's so great. There's eight teams in the PWHL, up from six last year with these two new expansion teams. And 30 games for each team for a total of 120 total games. That's the most in league history. The league will pause from January 29th to February 25th for the 2026 Winter Olympics. Basically 50, 50 players from the league are expected to play in the games. Yeah, it's amazing. And Canada unfortunately is the reigning Olympic champions. I love you Canada, but when it comes to USA vers versus Canada, I'm always US. Obviously the US won silver in 2022 Winter Olympics, so watch out for that. But we're very excited about the PWHL starting and dropping.
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And so is Kinger and Alana because they helped found it. Yes, of course she did.
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Come on, like, what hasn't they helped find?
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Right?
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And then another NWSL news. Want to just give you a little, I don't know, this is just like the feel good moment for me this weekend with the government shutdown affecting thousands of federal workers in D.C. the washing spirit. They offered Jules 200 free tickets for this past Sunday's game in Washington D.C. versus the San Diego Wave. They were basically claimed within hours. And they also offered $10 tickets so families could still come together at Audi Field. Washington Spirit. They ended up winning two to one. And so did the community. Because the community always first party people. This is, this was a quote by the Spirit CEO Kim Stone. This is not a political statement. It's about kind love and community. Honestly. Thank you Washington Spirit, for reminding us that this country is in need of full on kindness, love and community. Honestly, come on. Like, yeah, it's just good.
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This is good.
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And it made me, it made me think like, okay, what can I do to show people that there still is kindness, love and community in this country? Like let's like as the party people, let's all go out and do something to anyone, to a stranger, to a friend, like to some group to show that yes, that is what this country is.
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So good. And then finally, just like a big congratulations to soccer capital L legend Christine Sinclair for becoming the First Portland Thorns player to have a jersey retired and being inducted to the inaugural Thorns hall of Fame. Sink, you're the best. Uh, she spent her final 12. Her final 12 professional years with the Portland Thorns. It's very rare these days. And then retired after the 2024 season. She was the all time leading goal scorer with 79 goals with appearances 237 and minutes played. She captained the Thorn to three NWSL championships. And Sink's legacy includes not only her individual records, but also her huge role in building Thorns into one of the. The women's soccer's most successful franchises. And I, and I would be remiss to say this, she also holds the. The international goal scoring record for both women and men. And I can say this because she took it from me. She. She stole it from me. It's just honestly, it was such an honor to play alongside and against Sync for so many years. Congratulations on an incredible honor. And folks, that's it. That's your party starter. And thanks to Ally for sponsoring this segment. As we know, Ally is more than a bank. And their do it right approach helps customers unlock their economic potential and guides their efforts. As a leading sponsor and a true dedicated lover of women's sports, just like us, Ally believes that when women in sports win, we all have a reason to party. Ally, Bank Member, fdic.
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And now to the parties. Part of our party. I'm certain many of you party peeps were like me during the Paris Games in 2024. And literally I could not get enough of it on a daily basis. One day I'd be cheering for Katie ledecky. Another, the U.S. women's soccer team is winning a gold. And then how about track and field? I mean, our guest was part of an epic performance by the US women sprinter. Gabby Thomas won 3, 3 gold medals at the Paris Games in the 200 meters, 4 by 100, 4 by 400 relays as well. And coming out of high school, this is the crazy thing. Gabby totally rewrote the script. She attended Harvard University. Harvard University. Instead of a traditional top track and field college powerhouse. And at Harvard, she earned an undergraduate degree in neurobiology. What? And global health. She also has a master's degree from University of Texas in public health with a concentration in epidemiology on the racial disparities in sleep health, and has become a vocal advocate for prioritizing sleep. Word. I could not agree more. She is also an athlete owner of the Athlos League, which is a professional female only track and field series with their new York event happening on October 10th. And let's not also forget she is a Vogue cover model. Si swimsuit model. The list just keeps going. Gabby Thomas, welcome to the party.
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Yeah, Gabby.
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Thanks, Gabby. That was my. That was my favorite intro ever. Oh, my God.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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We do that at the party.
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Well, Julie loves to do intros.
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Oh, my gosh.
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Wait, we have to start with. I was gonna first start with all the degrees you have, because I don't even know what half of those mean. But we have to start with, because before we started recording, we were chatting with Gabby. You have six weeks off. Let's go. How does that happen? Like, what do you do?
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Let's freaking go. So I have six weeks off of just no running at all. I was telling you before, like, I don't look at a track. I don't think about a track. Although the other day I did try the impossible mile. I don't know if y' all have seen that on the Internet.
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No.
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So you do it mile. I. It would be so fun if you all tried this or anything.
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What is it?
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It is. You burpee, broad jump, one lap, you walking lunge, one lap, you bear crawl and then the last one. Sprint of 400.
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Nope.
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And see how fast?
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Not happening.
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No, no.
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Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Go back again. Do that again. You what? What was the first one?
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Burpees broad jump.
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So you go into a burpee and then you do a broad jump and so that you're doing those the whole 400 times around 400 meters.
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And then the next one was what?
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Yeah, 400 meters and then walking lunges.
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Okay. I would be so sore.
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Bear crawl and then. No, your last lap is a sprint.
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No, wait, you.
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You decided to do this on your 6 weeks off? What is wrong with you?
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I get so antsy, I think. Yeah, I'm like, I'm not going to do a track workout. I can't do that. And I have. I have like an Achilles injury, so I. I can't actually. I probably shouldn't have even done that, but it was great. If you can do it under an hour, then you are.
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One hour.
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Yeah. It took.
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Didn't you undo everything in that hour?
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Yes.
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The goal is to really want to quit and then. Not that.
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Yeah, that's.
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It's a mental exercise more.
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So I just have a follow up question. Um, the burpee broad jump lap. How many burpees and broad drums do you suspect that that is.
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That is a good question.
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Hundred.
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More. More than a hundred oh, yeah, like.
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Maybe 200 because you're broad jumping. Probably on average like two meters every broad jump.
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Yeah, probably 200.
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No, thank you. That would take me 25 hours. It would take me a whole day, 24 hours.
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As long as it takes. But other than that, I really just. I've spent a lot of time, like binging tv. I might do pilates. I make up for a lot of time that I miss with my friends and family. Like, I went mom, I have weddings, I have bachelorette parties. All the things that I can't do when I'm, you know, an athlete, as you, as you all know very well. So making up a lot of time and it's. It's really great, you know?
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Yeah, I bet, I bet you go to all your friends. If you're going to schedule anything that you want me to be at, put it in this six week window. Get married, do it in this six weeks.
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Everything revolves around track season. Like, even my wedding. I'm. I just started planning my wedding and I'm thinking, okay, well, I might have a meet this weekend, so got to do it. You know, this date, I'm planning my bachelorette party. Same thing. I'm like, everything revolves around track.
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Yeah. Have it. It is amazing. And as you can imagine, abs, I'm pretty particular about how I work out because I can't just run on my own anymore. I can't just run like that. Obviously, we spent our life doing that and training that way. But it is the hardest thing and I won't do it. I just won't. I won't do it anymore. It's not enjoyable. And that's why this new Peloton Tread plus is amazing because you get all the classes, of course, in front of you. So you feel like you're in a class, but you can totally mix things up. You're not just running. You can swivel that screen and you can get off and start doing a little boot camp on the side. It's so. Oh, cool. The swivel. I was like, what?
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It's the best. It's also, it's been a game changer for me because like you, I can't run. But I can't run because I have foot problems. And so the tread and the forgiving nature of the actual tread helps me to be able to actually Move. I can walk on there. I can get an incline on there. I can swivel that screen.
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It's in your basement. It's down in your basement.
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My wife loves it.
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Seriously, I'm stunned at how much I actually didn't know I needed this. It mixes up my weekly routine. Teams, guide, guides by instructors. Like, I feel like I've got friends and I've got trainers on my side now.
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Yeah, yeah, I love it too. I love it. So let yourself run, lift, sculpt, push, and go. It does it all. Explore the new peloton cross training tread +@1peloton.com all right, so, Jules, you know.
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That US athletes, we know a lot about clothing. We have to, because. Yeah. After so many years in such specific high performance clothing, and in the early years, it wasn't very high performance. I now have extremely strong feelings about everything from fabric to cuff height to breathability.
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Wait, let me just interject real quick and tell you how. How much I know about fabric. Because it was like you talking about the old days, it was like heavy cotton that, like, you. If you sweated in it, you had these. Remember those big gray, like, sweat marks? Because it was so thick and rough.
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The worst.
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And it was like. It was like an extra 10 pounds on your body, by the way, FYI.
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And that's why I love Vuorie's dream knit Performance jogger. Honestly, they somehow figured out how to make parts of that feel like pajamas, but still look like I'm put together enough to wear anywhere. And when I'm on the road, it's what I travel in. When I walk the dog, it's what I walk them in when I'm going to meetings, when I'm having coffee, when I'm just relaxing on the couch with my family. The magic is in Vuori's dream knit fabric. It's unbelievable. Have you felt it, Jules? It's lightweight, it's soft, it stretches with.
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You lots of pairs, but it seems.
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To never lose its shape, no matter how many times you wash it, no matter where you wear it, no matter how much you sweat in it or try to ruin these. These clothes, they don't ruin.
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No, no. And they're so light and airy that when you're actually working out in them. I was just running on the tread the other day when I was traveling, and they're great travel clothes, by the way, because you just roll them up and they're in. But is. I actually felt like I had nothing on. I mean, it was just like, oh, My gosh, it's so light and airy and beautiful. Like, I just. I can actually run on a treadmill again. Oh, my God. Okay, so Vuori is an investment. Yes. In your happiness. And for all our listeners, this is the really cool thing. They are offering 20 off your first purchase. Get yourself some of the most comfortable clothes and versatile clothing on the planet@vuori.com welcome to the party. That's v u o-or I.com welcome to the party. Exclusions apply. Visit the website for full terms and conditions. And not only abs will all our listeners receive that 20% off their first purchase, but you're going to enjoy free shipping on any U.S. orders over $75. And I love this free returns. So go to Vuori.com welcome to the party and discover the versatility of Vuori. Clothing exclusions apply. Visit the website for full terms and conditions. Let's talk about these degrees before we even talk about track and field, because honestly, like, the fact that you were like, I'm gonna go to Harvard. I'm gonna go in neurobiology. Sleep. EPI was your master's. I mean, what is the genesis behind all of that?
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So for me, like, growing up, academics was everything. And I'm sure you all also know very well now the landscape of women's sports is very different. But when I was younger, I didn't. There was no, like, aspiration to be a professional sports person. I just. It wasn't as prominent as it was for young guys. So for me, it was always just, okay, what are these other avenues that I can. That I can pursue? And I landed on neurobiology when I was in high school mainly because I have two neurodivergent brothers. And I watched how they navigated that. I watched how my brother navigated through the world, through society, through school, and my twin brother. And it was very different. And I really wanted to see how we could create not just a society, but especially in education and school, like, an environment that serves them better. Right? They are kind of forced to fit into our mold and. And what we consider standard. And I wanted to just kind of.
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What is their biggest need, would you say?
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I guess it's different for. Depending on what you have. So my twin brother had adhd. And I think just this expectation or requirement for you to be in a classroom in a certain way and learn in a certain way and have it just be structured a certain way was just. It wasn't fitting for him. He needed a different learning style, and he did a lot of treatment to try to try to put him into this particular structure and learning style. But I would rather just design something different. Right. Something. And have an expectation that educators have a better understanding of what his needs are. And I think we would have to start there, because as you even asked that question, like, I don't know. I don't know. Specific needs would be. But I don't think many people do. I don't think many people care. Same with my brother with autism. I don't really think people cared. It was more so, you know, you have autism, you might figure it out, you might not. Your other. Oh, well. And I was. I didn't. I just didn't like it as a height, as a, you know, a young girl in high school, just seeing it firsthand, I thought, this is something that I wanted to pursue just to make a better space and have kind of a foundational understanding of it. So I wanted to pursue neurobiology. And when the opportunity to go to Harvard presented itself, obviously, I was like, okay, no brainer here, no pun intended. Started at Harvard. And I loved neurobiology. I loved my major. I also did track and field at Harvard, but it's not really, you know, a sports school. So my track career, really. It came secondary to my academic career, but I wanted to do research, and so I did research. I remember my freshman year after. After that whole year, I went to Olympic trials that summer while doing research at Boston Children's Hospital on reps and form of autism, only in girls, and didn't make the Olympics that year. But I was. I loved running. It was something that, you know, it fueled my cup. Filled my cup, as well as my research at Boston Children's Hospital. And as I continued to study at Harvard, I started taking sociology classes, too, to supplement neurobiology, just to branch out to something a little bit different. And that's when I started learning about health disparities and racial disparities and things that you aren't really taught in high school, things that you aren't really taught unless you seek the information or you're listening to someone like me who talks about it. I remember being so disturbed and just shocked, especially as a black woman, and thinking about all of the health implications that that causes. Thinking about my family and where they come from, thinking about my place in society or socioeconomic status and all that, and how it affects our own health and our own access to health care. And I knew I wanted to go into public health pretty soon after. So as soon as I graduated, I started applying for public health Programs moved to Austin, Texas so that I could go to University of Texas and study epidemiology there. And really, as soon as I moved down here, that's when the COVID pandemic hit. And it really validated what I was doing. And going into public health and even just seeing how different demographics were affected by Covid definitely validated what I was studying. And I decided to volunteer at a healthcare clinic down here in Austin too. Your clinic that I volunteer at provides health care services for people who otherwise wouldn't have access. People who don't have health insurance, for example, people who just can't afford the care that they need, or people who just aren't educated about it and don't know where to go, who are intimidated by the healthcare system. So having this firsthand experience, really, I mean, it deepened my love for the public health sector. And I still am involved. I still love it. While all that was going on, track and field was also going really well for me.
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So the crazy thing is, is like, you know, so many athletes of your generation have sports as the primary focus.
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That's right.
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And you seem actually in. In such a fabulous way that there are, there are clearly larger aspirations at play here than just, you know, sport first, which we get consumed in. And yet you're doing volunteer work, you're talking to, you know, you're going to clinics. I mean, that seems for your generation, incredible, rare.
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Yeah, yeah. People are specializing a lot, which I think is great too, because you have people in my sport who did that and it worked out incredibly for them. Allison, Felix and McLaughlin, like, just. It's perfect. I don't think it's. For me. I think that I definitely need that, that balance and I need something that is off the track that keeps me sane, makes me happy, makes me feel like a full person. And it kind of fuels my love for track too. It's just having away from the track really helps me appreciate my time on the track. Where it comes from. I genuinely believe it comes from my upbringing. I mean, my mother is a superwoman. She, Yeah, I like, just follows her own passions, follows her own dreams. She is an educator. She makes a big difference. Now she has a nonprofit where she travels around the country and teaches professors and people who make standardized testing how they can be anti racist. And watching her pursue her dreams, coming, going from, you know, not having a job to being a preschool teacher, to be a high school teacher to going to back to school. Now being a professor and doing this and seeing that and having that purpose, I mean that's what drove me. I saw it every day. So that was my normal. And so for me, I wanted to figure out my place in the world, and that place had to be making a difference, giving back to society. And I saw that in the health sector. I think there are a lot of intersections between sports and public health with what I do, which is probably.
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B
Absolutely.
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C
And sports has become such a great, great, like, vessel for talking about public health. But, yeah, it comes from that. It just comes from finding my purpose and wanting to leave society better than I found it. Yeah, that's really it.
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A
I mean, talk about, like, ex. Using all the parts of yourself. I was the kind of athlete that I couldn't. I had to focus only on my sport. I couldn't do anything else. And. And I just think it's extraordinary that not only are you choosing to go towards also another passion of yours, but that it's in service of bettering the world. I just think, like, that. That's fascinating. I have a question. While you are at University of Texas, are you still training? Are you still working out? Are you still running?
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C
Yeah. So the thing about track is interesting. So when you graduate, you go pro. And going pro means you sign with a shoe sponsor, right? Nike, Adidas, New Balance. I'm with New Balance, and that's really all it means. So technically, like, anyone could just say they're a pro runner and go train and try to make the Olympics. And that's essentially what I did. I graduated from Harvard and I moved to Austin, Texas to get my master's and I started training with my coach, who I'm still with coach Tonja Buford Bailey, who was also an Olympian, a bronze medalist. And I started training and everyone would ask me, oh, what are you training for? And I would say, oh, I want to try to make the Olympics. Like, we'll see what happens. And this was for Tokyo 2020. Covet happened. We had to push it a year, but I just kept training. And the reason why I kept training was because I. I just love running. I love the journey. I love the process. Like I said, I love that anyone can do it. You don't need much. You just need a pair of running shoes and a trap. We practice at a local, like. Like public track. Anyone had. Anyone can have access to it, right? We would just be training for them.
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B
You could be like, literally running and, like, doing your. Whatever mile you talked about, my little burpees and broad jumps and be like, oh, that's Gabby Thomas next to me. Seriously?
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C
Yeah, no, exactly. It happened all the time. Like, people always. A mom with a stroller. It's just anyone can do it, which is what I love so much about it.
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B
So fabulous.
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C
And I was. Yeah, I was studying and training, and then when Olympic trials came around in 2021 and I made the team, and, I mean, I was shocked to even make the team. That's. That was a dream come true for me. But I had run the second fastest time to Flo Jo, too, at that time. So suddenly, now I'm a medalist favorite. And like, my. The whole trajectory of my life changed instantly. Like, in 21.6 seconds, to be exact. It just.
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B
Wow.
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D
So you didn't expect it and it happened. Wow.
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C
You know, I was surprised, but at the same time, I mean, that it's also many, many years of work that people don't see. And so I was surprised and I also wasn't right. That wasn't just, you know, it didn't happen, that one race. It was really like, at that point, six, eight years of training at Harvard and being like, the first one at the track, the last one to leave the track and, you know, not going out all the time and eating right and all, it all just culminated in that moment, and it worked out for me. But.
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B
Yeah, yeah, do something. Let's rewind to what you did in track two. Right. Obviously, bronze. Bronze and silver at the Tokyo Games. And then let's rewind to the Paris Games. Just last summer, just over a year ago, three Olympic gold medals. Gabby. And I've heard you discuss the mindset required there, but I'm curious to hear what was different and why do you think you were so successful? If you could give us a glimpse.
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C
Of that short version and long version. Short version. Because I was resilient over the last few years. That medal, like I said, was just years in the making. And I think what sets me apart from other athletes in the sport is just that ability to bounce back from losing, that ability to learn from each year before and staying consistent, staying committed, staying driven, and it paid off. Tokyo Olympics was such a great experience for me. I. I went in suddenly as a gold medal favorite, and I got a bronze in the 200 meters. And I think a lot of people saw that as a failure for me, but I love that medal. That's my favorite medal. That's my baby.
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B
Oh, really?
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C
Why.
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D
Why is it your favorite?
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C
Because that was my first Olympics, and I showed myself what I was capable of, and I was so proud to be in Olympics. And you just. I will never Forget that feeling. The Tokyo Olympics were weird. There was nobody in the crowd. But I will never forget fighting for that medal. I beat Shelly Ann Fraser Price by just, like, the tiniest hair for that medal. And looking up and seeing my coach, and it was such a proud moment for me. And while other people, like I said, might have seen that as a failure because I didn't get gold, I saw it as such a win. And I saw so much potential for myself and how much further I could go in the sport. Prior to that, I thought I was going to try to make the team and then retire and go into public health, and that would be it for track and field. But after that moment, I knew that there was so much more I could do. But then the next year, I got injured, and that really did feel like a failure because I was running so fast all season, and just before the World Championships, I tore my hamstring. And that was just mentally one of the toughest years that I've ever had to go through. It was the only World Championships that has ever, like, been in the United States. So I had to just watch everyone run in their home country, not be able to participate.
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A
Brutal.
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C
But then the next year, I came back and had my best season, you know, to date at that point. And it was a silver medal at World Championships. And while a lot of people thought that was a failure, because in track and field, if you're not first, you're last again, I thought it was an accomplishment because it was still my best season. I had upgraded from bronze to silver in my individual event and then upgraded from silver to gold in the relay. And then the next year was a Paris Olympics. And so I was thinking, all right, I have a bronze. I have a silver. Now it's time to get a gold. And I was just so dialed in. I had felt prepared because I had practice. I had practiced on the international stage. I had two other major competitions on a global stage, and I had come back from an injury, so I felt like I could do anything. I had proven to myself that I could do anything, that no matter what happens, I know how to deal with it. And I had the maturity, so I was ready for the Paris Olympics. I felt very confident. The only thing I needed to do was go execute and be able to manage the pressure of competing in front of 80,000 people in person, really more online and on TV, but that's really what it came down to. And I think because of the experience that I had and the maturity I had and how much I've Grown in the sport. I was ready to do it.
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A
Okay, so when you're in the blocks and it's the final and you're about to run for that gold, like, take me back, like, six hours prior, are you specifically only adding certain things to your body to make you as fast? Like, are you shaving your legs? Are you. What are you doing in order to give yourself those milliseconds that you're gonna.
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B
I'd be, like, shaving my head.
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A
I know.
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B
Everything gone.
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C
The marginal gains. Like, conversation is so funny in track and field. Some people don't care at all, right? Because at all, right? You see sprinters wearing their hair down and jewelry and all that. And some are very dialed in with the sleek box. I'm. My first Olympics in Tokyo. I didn't care. I will say I wore the hair down, like, a really long, like, weave. Just makeup, lashes, everything. Jewelry. And then for. For Paris, I was. I was dialed in. So, yeah, I was definitely thinking about that. Hair was slicked back into a ponytail.
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B
Very, very aerodynamic.
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C
Yeah, very aerodynamic. I definitely was shaving little. Every little bit. Was I. I wasn't super. I'm not, like, a superstitious person, so I keep things very normal. I eat healthy, but I'm not nitpicking every little detail because I don't want to give too much control into those types of things. I'm really focused on, okay, how you feel on the moment you step on the track is truly all that matters. My entire day is just about being calm, collected, Zen, mainly meditation and just, like, having fun. I definitely saw, like, my friends, hung out with my fiance, did normal things, and then all that mattered was when you step on the track in that moment. How do you feel in that moment? That's it.
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D
What do you know that you have to do, right, to win the 200? Like, I watched you on Sprint, on Netflix, and they showed you running, and I'm thinking, I wonder, during the process of those 200 meters, what do you think about, like, you know, they talk about the blocks. What is there certain thing you think about there? And then is there a certain thing you think about farther on? How do you get this worked out and planned so you can win?
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C
I mean, all of that really happens in practice. Like, we. We train, like I was telling you guys so long for these moments. Like, what, 10 months of training, if you include our. Our preseason training just for that moment. So at that point, right, You're. You're spending every day, like, fine tuning a race. So it should be muscle Memory. When you get to that point, I like to say, if you are able to, like, think about what you're doing, you're not running fast enough. Like, you need to get into a flow state. But what I will say is, when I'm stepping up to the blocks, like, in that moment right before the gun goes off, I am going through my race plan. Like, I am visualizing every. Every single bit of it. I'm thinking about how I'm going to explode out of the blocks. Like, I'm thinking about those angles. I'm thinking about exactly what I want to accomplish. My favorite cue is, like, splitting my arms. As soon as the gun goes off, you need to, like, react. If your arms move, then your legs will follow. Thinking about how hard I'm going to push, I pinpoint one point on the track and, like, I'm going to push really hard. At that point, you don't want to think about too much, right, because then you'll get distracted. But those are the two things that I think about. And after that, you really are in a flow state. Like, when you think about it, you just. This is all we do. So my muscles should be able to do exactly what I want to do.
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D
Do you look at the tape or the finish line ever before the race? No.
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C
Before the race, during the race? No.
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D
Do you think about whether you have to lean or not? If it's really close or not?
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C
Oh, everyone is so divided on that. I, I do, I, I. But I. It's very intuitive. Like, like when exactly you need to lean. If you lean too early, then you shave time off of your. Yeah, you shave.
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A
Okay. It sounds like you have done an incredible amount of work with your mentality and, and meditation and presence and awareness. Do you think that that was one of the things that helped you win these three golds in. In Paris that, like, put you over the edge?
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C
I think because everybody is so talented at this level. The sport is so cutthroat because anybody can win on any given day. And at the Olympics, like that Olympic final, I race those girls all the time. Like, the same lineup of girls, meet after meet every year, every season, and every time someone else wins, it's just people are watching on this day on the Olympic final to see who's going to win. But it could be any of us. So you need that edge. And for me, I do have that mental edge. And I think I really got that from my foundation at Harvard. My college coach introduced me to meditation, visualization, and just having kind of that. That approach to running. And I'm so grateful for it because once I got to this level, it is so easy to just to let the nerves get to you, to let the pressure get to you, to be scared of the girls in the other lane. But when you, when you have that power and control over yourself, yeah, I do believe it made all the difference. Difference. I visualized that race so many times. I felt so in control.
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A
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B
It's, it's those little margins, isn't it? Like everyone's doing the stuff. What are the margins? If you're telling a young kid to like, give me an example. What when you say like mentally because I, I think I read somewh you wrote down every single day I'm going to be an Olympic champion. Is that true?
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C
Yeah. No, absolutely.
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B
Yeah. Give me that story because like some tangibles a young kid could grab onto like beyond meditation and what's the mental.
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C
Prep required even if it's not. If you don't want to meditate, I think even just taking five minutes each day to just slow down and focus on your breathing, sit down, set a timer for maybe start at two minutes and just focus on your breathing and that's it. And become very in the present moment, I do it before I practice and I Do it before I race. It's so easy when it enters you. It's multiple how it can actually make changes in your brain so that when you are in these situations, when you're in these high pressure scenarios, you're able to just calm down. And I. It's so. It seems antithetical to what we're trying to do. If you want to be really hyped up when you compete. Yeah, but no, you need to be centered. You need to not be disturbed by everything around you. And I will say, like the visualization. I'm not really that big of a journaler, but I did write down I will be Olympic champion hundreds and hundreds of times over and over because it's, it's powerful. Like your brain is just really, really powerful and you can actually trick yourself into believing those things. And I totally believed it.
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A
I totally buy, buy into that because that is how I've lived my whole life. I almost like, like fake myself into winning things in a way or like I, I'm. I, I already think that I've won. And also, Jules, if you're bad at meditating.
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B
Cuz I like five minutes of breathing. Sounds like torture.
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C
So here's the thing.
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A
What I'm gonna, I'm gonna challenge you. Do you just sit quietly for one minute? That's it.
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B
Don't call it meditation.
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A
Like people have this aversion to met the word meditation. Just sit quietly for one minute and think about your breath. Focus on your breath. Okay, we gotta keep going and moving on to the. To. To the really exciting thing that you've got going on with Athlos.
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C
Can.
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A
Can you tell us all the things about Athlos? Your. You're part owner in it, an athlete owner. Tell us everything that you want us to know about Athlos.
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C
Okay. Athlos is really exciting. It's created for athletes and people love track and field. Every four years at the Olympics, everyone.
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A
Wants to watch it.
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C
But then suddenly people think we just disappear and they don't know what we're doing. And the point is to get track and field, which is such an incredible product, in front of everyone, right in front of eyeballs and to kind of create a fan base. We were trying to create this more sustainable, athlete centered, team based league. And Alexis Ohanian was so great. When he first reached out to me, he didn't know anything about track and field. He just saw us track women on social media all the time and was like, oh, okay. They have fun personalities. Like, why don't we see them more Often. And he was so eager to learn. He. Now that I've spoken to him about track and field, he is like using track and field lingo. He is such a great listener and has really brought the vision to life. We had our inaugural event, inaugural event last year in New York and we're doing it again this October. Yes. Which I'm really excited about.
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D
Randall's Island.
- [51:00]
C
Randall's island, exactly. But it's the highest, you know, prize money potential in track and field history. He changed the game with that. And it's a women's only track league for now. And it just really empowers athletes. Right. We have say in it, we have equity in it, and we're just reforming it. So it's for us, it's by us. And it's really exciting.
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B
Because of the higher prize money as well. Hasn't that also impacted other events and their prize money in terms of this, like, kind of rollover effect of like, oh, we've got to actually pay more to these athletes because we. We talked with Allison Felix on welcome to the Party. She was one of our first guests. She was actually our first guest we had and she was talking about just what you said. It's hard in between Olympics and World Championships to get that visibility and recognition. And the great thing about Athos is it's kind of rise. It's. It's really raising all boats. The tide is lifted.
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C
I mean, absolutely. Like you in track and field, it's really, really hard to make money. Right. It's hard to make a living. You either have to be the best of the best, right? You can't just be one of the best. You have to be the best of the best. And even then, your money is primarily outside brands and sponsors. You're not making it actually on the track. So it's just. It's not very sustainable for a lot of athletes to stay in it. And Apples is really working to change that, to have something that we can do year after year that actually pays you for running. So it's pretty revolutionary. And like you said, it definitely challenged the status quo. Everyone else kind of stepped up when they saw that Atlas was serious about the prize money. You had World Athletics introducing higher prize money for the World Championships. For Diamond League races, they came up with an entirely new event, the World Ultimate Championships. That is the highest prize version World World Championships history. So it definitely changed the game almost instantly.
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B
Great.
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C
I was really excited to see that.
- [53:05]
B
Awesome. Awesome. And you're not going to be racing on. On October 10th. That Achilles is still present. Right. How are you doing with all that? I know you've got your six weeks off. Like.
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C
Yeah, Achilles are tough, but I mean, I know, you know, be patient with injuries. And thankfully we have a little bit of an off year next year without Olympics or World championships. So plenty of time to just get ready for athletes next year when we roll out the official league.
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B
Yeah, that's going to be fun with. With all the teams in the league.
- [53:38]
C
It's going to be great.
- [53:40]
B
Awesome. Congratulations on that. That is very cool. And I love that you all are athlete owners. Abby Kinger and I are all.
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C
We love it.
- [53:47]
B
Angel City. And it's so fun. And Kinger owns about 700 things as well. So.
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D
It'S called investment and what you believe in.
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B
That's right. That's right. Okay, we're going to start a new segment with you. Okay, Gabby, it's called Party Poppers. We haven't done this before. I'm very excited for it. Rapid fire, ridiculous questions. Okay, Kinger, do you want to start this off?
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D
You want me to start it off?
- [54:16]
B
Yeah. You don't have to. But do you want to? I feel like you're the. You're the party popper. You pop it off. Let's go. Let's go. Gabby, are you ready?
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D
Question.
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C
I'm ready.
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A
Yeah.
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D
Ready?
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B
Yeah.
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D
What's the most money? Any. Well, in. In competition, has any track star won.
- [54:35]
C
Or the most money? Yep. Ah, gosh. I don't know what they used to do in the Diamond League. I. I think you used to be able to win. I think it might be 70,000.
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D
Okay.
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C
I think. Yeah.
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D
What is that? How does it working with Athos?
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C
I think it's 70 world championships. Just last year changed the prize money, so now you can win 70,000 for winning a Golden World Championships, which is very funny because. Because it came shortly after Alexis offered $65,000 for winning gold Atlas. So they.
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D
That's the way things keep going up, though. That's good. It's competition.
- [55:14]
C
That's exactly what we're talking about. So prior to that, it was Alexis Ohanian at atlas offering the 60,000 or 65,000. I can't remember.
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B
Okay, mine is. What was your reaction to Sidney McLaughlin Levrone shattering the 40 year old record in the 400 meters, minus the hurdles, mind you. Right. Like a totally different race.
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C
That's the only race I watched live of this entire World Championships just because the time zones were so crazy. But I got up to watch that. Yeah, I was. I was in dis. Not in disbelief because it's Sydney. And I'm like, in Sydney, we trust, but so proud, I think just really. So that's what it is. She's such a great teammate, and to see her go after something and challenge herself and work so long and hard for that and to really get it. Oh, my God. I was so proud.
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A
Okay, my question is, and in the spirit of potentially changing things up, what race would you like to try that you haven't yet?
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C
That I haven't? Yeah, probably the four hurdles. I. I might try.
- [56:20]
B
What?
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C
Yeah, I think I'm. I'm built for it. It. And so I'm not built like a traditional sprinter. I'm more of, like, a 404 hurdle build. And so maybe. Maybe one day.
- [56:29]
A
Are we getting breaking news here that this might be something that you're working for?
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B
You're like, sydney left that. I'm gonna go to it.
- [56:36]
C
I think we can. We can try that one.
- [56:39]
B
We were just saying, Abby and I like, why would. Why would you want to go over hurdles instead of just run? Like, hurdles are hard. They get in the way. That's the whole point. But as a child.
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D
As a child, what did you think about as far as which event or events you wanted to run?
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C
I never tried a hurdle in my entire life. I just did what looked fun every. The 100 and 200 is what everyone wants to do. And I did long jump. I did long jump in college too, but I had to give that up. But.
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D
But what's fascinating about hurdles for you?
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C
What's fascinating about it? I don't.
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D
Why do you want to try it?
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C
I'm competitive. I think I could do a really good job. Fascinating. I want to try, and I want to see what I could do.
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D
Great.
- [57:20]
B
Gabby really is a renaissance woman.
- [57:22]
D
Totally king.
- [57:23]
B
Or you got another. You want me to go?
- [57:25]
D
You go.
- [57:26]
B
Will there one day be a doctor attached to Gabby Thomas? Oh, my.
- [57:32]
C
My mom would love that. Arguing about that. I went to Ann Arbor to visit her, like, two weeks ago.
- [57:38]
B
She's a professor, by the way, at the university.
- [57:41]
D
What do you want?
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C
Not. Probably. Not that I'm gonna be honest. I think I've done enough school.
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D
I love it.
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A
So this is the last party popper. Who would be the person you would want to invite to this party? Like, in terms of them coming on as a guest, who is your party person? And if we had them on this show, what question would you want to ask them?
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C
Oh, that's a good one. Oh, man. Okay. Initially, immediately comes to mind is Sydney because We were just talking about her, Sydney McLaughlin. But I would love to just ask her about the transition and probably challenge her to some type of horn or turtle race in the far future.
- [58:24]
B
I love that. So good. She's your party person. Sydney McLaughlin is your party person. A little context for the party people. Sidney McLaughlin is a 400. She ran the 400 meter hurdles and in the last year decided why not Try just the 400 meters without the hurdles. And as we were mentioning at the world championships for track and field a couple weeks ago, she literally shattered the 40 year old record in the 400 meters, which is fairly new to her having transitioned over. And so now Gabby is saying she's going to the hurdles. Ah, this is going to get interesting. Yes, Gabby, thank you, thank you. Thank you so very much for joining us. We often talk about the importance with our kids and with our friends about being more than just an athlete. And the party people got a beautiful example of the balance that is required for that. And thank you for shining that light and all you're doing in the global health space as well and the advocacy work and, and we, we, I, I just am like, oh my gosh, we miss you.
- [59:37]
C
Well, I have great role models and I'm looking right now, so thank you guys for all you do as well. It really is inspiring and this is what I aspire towards. Right. So thank you for the mark you've left on sports as well.
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A
Whatever you're doing, just keep doing it. That's all we're saying. Good job.
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D
Thank you.
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B
Gabby, party pose on three. Gabby, this is what we do. Your best. Party pose. One, two, three. Kinger's running. Look at her.
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A
I'm too.
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B
I've got an. Are you kidding?
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D
Gabby Thomas is on and I'm. What do you think?
- [60:14]
B
So good.
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D
Get track, baby.
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A
She said same thing.
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B
200. Yeah.
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C
100.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Oh, oh.
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C
400 meter hurdles now.
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D
Oh, okay.
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B
Now we're doing hurdles. Oh, you crazy. Oh, that was fun. Gabby's amazing. Holy good.
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D
Yeah, she was. She's an all time great, you know, not just as a track star, but as a human being, which is great. But she reminded me of something when she was talking about she wrote down I'm going to win the Olympics. I thought that was so adorable. But 1990 I was a part time coach with Martina Navratilloa. She, she Wanda win her tenth.
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A
Yeah.
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D
Tenth Wimbledon. No, nine. Nine. Cause Helen Will smoothie and her were tied at eight and she was older and so she couldn't win as much. And so I asked her, I said, if you could only win one, what would you want? She said, that's easy. I want to win Wimbledon. I want her to break the record, have nine. So I had her journal every morning and every night. I won Wimbledon, 1990. Me as it was, faded, complete. Because she looked at me. Are you sure? Because that's, like, past tense. And I said, exactly. And then when I heard Gabby today, I'm like, ba, bang.
- [61:31]
B
So cool.
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D
It's very similar.
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B
Yeah. Yeah.
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A
I want to be friends with Gabby. You know what I mean? Like, totally. I feel like she would make me a better person. I feel like I'd be automatically smarter and faster just around her.
- [61:46]
C
Gosh.
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B
I mean, I was calling her Gabs at the very beginning. I was already.
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D
I thought that was.
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B
I shortened everything. I was like, gabs. And I was like, I don't. Sorry, Gabby.
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D
She's not a. Do you think she's a Gabs? I'm not sure.
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B
I don't know. She was fine with it.
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C
Gabs, go for it.
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D
Who cares? We'll find out later when I. When if I ever see her again, I'll go. Well, I know I'm going to see her again, but just. I'll say, gabs, I need to talk.
- [62:09]
B
You're going to see her again because we didn't mention this in the bio. We should have. She is now on the Women's Sports foundation board of directors. Yeah, she's a trustee. Okay, party people, don't forget to subscribe to the welcome to the party YouTube channel. Please do that and click that little bell icon so you get updates when new episodes go live.
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A
And if you just take one minute, we would so appreciate if you can rate. Leave a comment and subscribe for the podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you get your podcast. And don't forget to follow us on TikTok and Instagram @. Welcome to the Party show where Julie, Billy, and I will bring the party straight to your feed and shout out. Shout out to Kate Diaz for our theme music. Our theme music. We love it, and it's like it becomes an earworm. Kate Diaz, you are the best. Thank you so much.
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B
Close us out. We lost. We lost the Kinger. To some technical difficulties.
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C
We lost the King Kinger.
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B
You're with us in spirit on three. One, two, three.
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A
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