The Most Dangerous Challenge in Sports?

Summary

Welcome to the Party: “The Most Dangerous Challenge in Sports?”

Podcast: Welcome to the Party
Host: Treat Media (Julie Foudy, Abby Wambach, Billie Jean King)
Air Date: June 2, 2026
Featured Guest: Catherine Legg

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Episode Overview

In this lively, witty, and inspiring episode of Welcome to the Party, hosts Julie Foudy, Abby Wambach, and Billie Jean King welcome racing trailblazer Catherine Legg. The main focus is Legg’s unprecedented attempt at "the Double"—racing both the Indianapolis 500 and NASCAR’s Coca Cola 600 on the same day, marking her as the first woman ever to try this grueling feat. The episode dives into the physical and mental toll of motorsport’s toughest challenges, the realities of being a woman in elite racing, and the need for genuine pathways for women in motorsports. Alongside Legg’s electrifying story, the hosts share updates and thoughts on the latest happenings in women’s (and men’s) sports, and throw an uplifting birthday celebration for Abby.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Historic “Double” — Catherine Legg’s Sporting Feat

[32:33 - 43:00]

• What is the Double?
  Catherine Legg describes the Double as racing the Indianapolis 500—open-wheel, 350,000 spectators, three to four hours—then immediately flying to Charlotte for NASCAR’s five-hour Coca Cola 600, for 1,100 miles of competition in a single day.

  “It’s 1100 miles in a day, spans two states...a minute-by-minute military operation just to have a chance. I was honored to attempt it—it’s insane!” – Catherine Legg (32:53)

• Physical and Mental Toll
  Legg emphasizes the marathon endurance, with 5,000 calories burned and nine hours spent in race cars, heart rate steady near 170 bpm.

  “I have, however, never known an exhaustion like I did at the end of Charlotte...I’m just gonna close my eyes for 30 seconds. I’m gonna be okay.” – Catherine Legg (37:33)

• Mindset & Training
  The cognitive and emotional stamina are as demanding as the physical, especially under the life-and-death stakes of racing.

  “You just lock in, you get it done...it’s mental and emotional more than physical at times.” – Catherine Legg (39:13)

• Women as Athletes in Racing
  The team addresses lingering misconceptions about drivers not being “real athletes.”

  “There’s even a debate on whether or not y’all are actual athletes? Are you kidding?” – Billie Jean King (41:16)

2. Barriers Facing Women in Motorsport

[45:09 - 55:11]

• Equipment, Sponsorship, and Fairness
  Legg recounts frustrations trying to break into top teams:

  “I still can’t get an opportunity with one of the top teams...it’s too much for them. You gotta have a top team. I’ve never had that.” – Catherine Legg (46:22)

• Lack of a True Pipeline
  The conversation highlights how “women’s” racing series (like F1 Academy/W Series) end up isolating talent instead of preparing them for integrated racing.

  “There’s absolutely no reason to segregate us, because we can race against the guys.” – Catherine Legg (50:06)

• The “Pink Car” and Representation
  Initially hesitant about being reduced to the “girl in a pink car,” Legg is now proud of the movement ELF Cosmetics started by unapologetically supporting women in racing.

  “Elf changed the face of motorsport...there was this solidarity...finally, we’ve been seen!” – Catherine Legg (54:01)

3. Broader Women’s Sports Headlines

[06:06 – 23:25]

• NWSL Update & US Women’s National Team
  • The NWSL standings going into a break, competitive parity noted.
  • Mal Swanson’s triumphant return post-maternity.
  • The return of the "Triple Espresso" attack—Swanson, Sophia Smith, Trinity Rodman—to the USWNT; milestone for mothers in the national team.
  • “If Swanson plays in that first US women’s National Team game…it will be 604 days between those two appearances…19th mother to play.” – Julie Foudy (14:53)
• Men’s National Team News
  • Pre-World Cup friendlies.
  • Christian Pulisic gets his scoring groove back after a long drought.
• WNBA News
  • Minnesota sitting atop standings, Portland Fire’s explosive start, and Dallas Wings’ surprise success, with Paige and AZ dominating.
• NCAA Spring Champions
  • Northwestern wins ninth NCAA Lacrosse title.
  • Stanford secures women’s golf championship.

4. Personal and Community Moments

[03:33 - 06:02]; [47:49 – 55:11]; [81:45 - end]

• Julie’s Emmy Win
  Julie Foudy shares the emotional experience of winning an individual Emmy for “Save: The Katie Meyer Story.”

  “It was a weird moment…this story should have never had to be told…[but] it’s so important…storytelling can save lives.” – Julie Foudy (05:25)

• Abby’s Birthday Celebration
  A surprise on-air visit from Abby’s wife, Glennon Doyle, sparks a heartfelt celebration and reflection on love, teamwork, and Abby’s reliability—mixing humor, warmth, and a few tears.

  “The way Abby shows up for me reminds me of all the things I see you guys champion in sports—never giving up, believing in each other, showing up every day.” – Glennon Doyle (86:44)

  • Team shares a list of “46 things we love about Abby.”
  • Laughs about Abby’s obsession with socks, Love Island, and “Random Shit Knowledge.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Exhaustion:
  "I have, however, never known an exhaustion like I did at the end of Charlotte…I’m just gonna close my eyes just for 30 seconds. I’m gonna be okay.”
  — Catherine Legg ([37:33])

• On Being an Athlete:
  “There is even a debate on whether or not y’all are actual athletes or not.”
  — Abby Wambach ([41:16])

• On Gender Segregation in Racing:
  “There is absolutely no reason to segregate us because we can race against the guys.”
  — Catherine Legg ([50:06])

• On Representation:
  “There was this movement…all these little girls wearing pink jerseys…you don’t have to not be authentic…there are barriers you perceive that are probably just that: perceived.”
  — Catherine Legg ([54:01])

• On Progress and Money:
  “If you have this whole base of women, I would be much more interested in watching the Indy 500 because you are racing it…money moves mountains.”
  — Julie Foudy ([75:54])

• On Love & Teamwork:
  “The way Abby shows up for me reminds me of all the things I see you guys champion in terms of never giving up on each other…belief and support in the gritty, day-to-day.”
  — Glennon Doyle ([86:44])

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Important Timestamps by Topic

• Intro & Highlights / Pride Month Fun — [01:04 – 06:06]
• NWSL and USWNT Updates / Party Starter — [06:06 – 23:25]
• WNBA / NCAA Champions — [17:09 – 23:25]
• Catherine Legg: Introduction & "The Double" — [32:33 – 43:00]
• Physical/Mental Demands of Racing — [34:38 – 41:36]
• Women & Barriers in Motorsports — [45:09 – 55:11]; [47:49 – 55:11]
• The Pink Car & Young Girls in Racing — [52:45 – 55:11]
• Catherine’s Racing Journey & Breaking In — [61:35 – 68:13]
• Surprise Birthday & Reflections on Abby — [81:45 – 89:00+]

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Tone & Style

Maintain the episode’s signature style: energetic, celebratory, irreverent, and honest. Big issues are tackled with humor, candidness, and mutual respect among icons and guests.

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Summary Table

| Time | Topic | Key Speaker(s) | Highlights | |---------------|--------------------------------------------|--------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------| | 01:04-06:06 | Pride Month, personal updates | All | Banter, pride gear, Emmy win, family moments | | 06:06-16:35 | Women’s/Men’s Soccer updates | Julie, Abby, Billie Jean | NWSL standings, Mal Swanson’s comeback, Pulisic | | 17:09-23:25 | Women’s hoops, NCAA spring champions | All | WNBA standings, Northwestern/Stanford victories | | 32:33-43:00 | Catherine Legg: The Double | Catherine Legg | Explains physical, mental demands; recounts day | | 45:09-55:11 | Women in Motorsport—Barriers, Pink Car | Catherine Legg, hosts | Pipeline, sponsorship, game-changing representation | | 61:35-68:13 | Legg’s Racing Origins & Breakthrough | Catherine Legg | Entering racing, breaking in, mentorship | | 81:45-89:00+ | Abby’s Birthday Surprise | Glennon Doyle, team | Heartfelt tributes, laughter, reflection |

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Final Thoughts

This episode delivers a candid, empowering, and thoroughly fun exploration of what it takes to redefine the possibilities for women in sport—and beyond. Catherine Legg’s epic Double, her openness about exhaustion and barriers, and her eventual pride in unapologetic representation leave listeners with both awe and fire. The "Welcome to the Party" ethos—community, fun, and raising the bar—shines throughout, anchored by the hosts’ humor, friendship, and fierce advocacy.

Party Rule #1: Have a sh*t ton of fun—while making history.

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Transcript

[Julie Foudy]

The double racing both the Indianapolis 500 and NASCAR's Coca Cola 600 on the same day.

[Catherine Legg]

I have, however, never known an exhaustion like I did. I'm just gonna close my eyes just for 30 seconds. I'm gonna be okay.

[Abby Wambach]

There is even a debate on whether or not y' all are actual athletes or not.

[Billie Jean King]

Are you kidding?

[Catherine Legg]

I'm gonna show this to Stephen Smith and be like, yo, are you kidding?

[Billie Jean King]

Sports are athletes.

[Abby Wambach]

Yes.

[Catherine Legg]

Like, I love women's sports with all my heart, but there is absolutely no reason to segregate us because we can race against the guys.

[Abby Wambach]

Attention. The party is about to commence.

[Julie Foudy]

Welcome to the party. What's up, party people? I'm Julie Foudy.

[Abby Wambach]

And I'm Abby Wambach.

[Billie Jean King]

And I'm Billie Jean King.

[Julie Foudy]

Happy Pride Month, party people. We're into June.

[Abby Wambach]

It's my favorite month.

[Billie Jean King]

I got my rainbow glasses here. Do you look at this? Beautiful. Are you kidding? They're.

[Catherine Legg]

We can have.

[Billie Jean King]

They're great. I'm trying to figure out where people

[Abby Wambach]

get the extra steam.

[Billie Jean King]

No, no, they're fantastic, but they're only for distance. Like, if you watch a match or a soccer match, whatever. I can't use it.

[Julie Foudy]

Wait, put yours on. Do you have any rainbow. Rainbow glasses, Abby?

[Billie Jean King]

No.

[Abby Wambach]

Where did you guys pull those out of?

[Billie Jean King]

Like, it's like all these different colors.

[Abby Wambach]

Do you have a Pride store at your house?

[Billie Jean King]

Of course. Now my everything went out.

[Julie Foudy]

Sunglasses store at my house, for sure.

[Billie Jean King]

That's because I've got sunglasses on. I just wore it now I can

[Abby Wambach]

see rainbowy color now.

[Billie Jean King]

I see. Okay, these are awesome.

[Julie Foudy]

I took mine off. They're good, too. You wore these before, Kinger? You've seen them?

[Billie Jean King]

Yeah.

[Julie Foudy]

All right, coming up on later in the show, we have Catherine Legg, who attempted one of the most insane feats in sports, y', all, the double. And you probably haven't heard about this. It's more specifically the indie Charlotte Double, as in she's racing the Indianapolis 500, the only woman in that race. And then on the same day, she's racing NASCAR's Coca Cola 600 over in Charlotte. Gosh. On the same day. That's more than 1100 miles of racing. And she's got a chopper to a private plane. She's got quick changes IV for hydration, and basically a minute by minute military operation just to even have a chance to pull it off and go from place to place. And Catherine became the first woman in history to attempt it.

[Abby Wambach]

Julie Foudy, what is in your background? What is that Thing. Is that it?

[Julie Foudy]

That is it.

[Abby Wambach]

Oh, let me look at that. The Emmy. The Emmy.

[Billie Jean King]

Congratulations, Julie.

[Abby Wambach]

Julie.

[Catherine Legg]

Thank you.

[Abby Wambach]

Freaking foudy.

[Julie Foudy]

And it's even got my name on it already.

[Catherine Legg]

Yo.

[Julie Foudy]

They gave it to me right away.

[Billie Jean King]

Really? So they actually. They actually did vote for you, then? It wasn't the flu.

[Catherine Legg]

They must.

[Julie Foudy]

I don't know, they must be able to, like, inscribe it right then in the moment.

[Billie Jean King]

Right. Why did you win it? Why did you win it?

[Julie Foudy]

So this. This. Can we just tell this story?

[Billie Jean King]

You got to tell the story.

[Julie Foudy]

Yeah. Like, as you guys know, this. This one was so emotional. Like, even on stage, for how many speeches in my life I've given, I was like, just hold it together. Just hold it together. Because I was. It was this weird. Obviously, there's joy at winning an Emmy, and you think, like, oh, I've won a collective one before. I've never won an individual Emmy before. And. But it was this weird moment of like, but this story should have never had to have been told. Right? As we know, the Katie Meyer story, that. The story we did was called Save the Katie Meyer Story. If you haven't seen it, it's on ESPN Plus. And if you don't have ESPN, it's not behind a paywall anymore. It's now on YouTube. And so you could see it there. But there. There's just. It took us two years to do the story. There was a lot of internal issues within ESPN about telling the story in terms of how long it could be. Just getting them on board to tell the story took a long time, like, all the things. So there was a lot of emotion around being able to share one, obviously, Katie's story, and two, her parents, Steve and Gina, who hands down two of the greatest humans I've ever met and their courage and willingness to share and trust us to tell the story. Right. So it was heavy.

[Abby Wambach]

Congratulations, Jules. I think that it's important because when. Even though it feels a little bittersweet when stories like this can rise above, you know, all of the content out in the world, this one is one of those that people, all parents should sit down with their kids and watch it.

[Julie Foudy]

Yeah.

[Abby Wambach]

You know, it's such an important story to tell. At the very least, you know, least the loss of Katie, like, what this. This story telling can do is actually save lives. And that's why I think her parents are so brave to want to do it and for you to be able to. It's really cool.

[Julie Foudy]

Yeah. Thank you. Thank you.

[Billie Jean King]

Well done, Julie.

[Julie Foudy]

Abigail. Yeah, it Is your birthday.

[Billie Jean King]

It's your birthday.

[Julie Foudy]

It's your birthday. While we're recording that, it's tomorrow, but it is almost your birthday.

[Abby Wambach]

Almost. Yeah.

[Billie Jean King]

Happy birthday.

[Abby Wambach]

Thank you.

[Julie Foudy]

What are you gonna do? Do you want me to put my little happy birthday crown on for you?

[Abby Wambach]

We. We. I don't. Tish has a dentist appointment that I'm taking her to.

[Julie Foudy]

I'm gonna go to a dentist appointment for my child. Yeah, we have a.

[Abby Wambach]

We have a content call. We have a content call.

[Julie Foudy]

We gotta move that.

[Abby Wambach]

You know, we've got. We've got things happening.

[Julie Foudy]

I know you do love your content calls, but we have to move that.

[Abby Wambach]

We. I think. I don't know if we'll go to dinner or not, but we're just. I really like. My favorite thing to do is chill. So that's what we'll do.

[Julie Foudy]

It's at the dentist and on a content call. We're gonna. We're gonna have to come up with some better ideas.

[Abby Wambach]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Julie Foudy]

Oh, my gosh. So good. Kinger, how about you? What have you been doing? Last time we saw you, you were graduating. Oh, come on.

[Billie Jean King]

Oh, my gosh. I don't know. I'm working. I never stopped working, actually. I've had some tough things actually happen. My former husband passed. Larry. That was rough. He had cancer. We had somebody in our family in Australia that's got brain cancer. It's a lot of tough stuff right now. And Lana had to go to Australia. She just got back, which I'm really happy. She went with her sister Merle, who's great. She got to see all the South Africans that they haven't seen. So that was good to connect.

[Julie Foudy]

We got to meet all of the South Africans we hadn't met at your graduation ceremony.

[Billie Jean King]

I bet you did. There was a few there. All right. I know it's very heavy South African accent. Yeah, no, it's really good.

[Julie Foudy]

I know we sent you a note about Larry, but I'm sorry to hear that.

[Billie Jean King]

Thank you for doing that. But it's. Otherwise, things are really very good.

[Julie Foudy]

We're sad that you can't join us because. Did you hear about what we're doing this week?

[Billie Jean King]

No.

[Julie Foudy]

Kinger.

[Billie Jean King]

What?

[Julie Foudy]

This week, the U.S. women's Open, presented by Ally is coming. That's right. Women's golf is coming to Riviera.

[Billie Jean King]

Oh, I knew that. Is that the Riv you used to play there?

[Julie Foudy]

Really?

[Billie Jean King]

Oh, it's right off Sunset. I used to love the golf. Yeah, it's had a lot of ads on the tv, which I'VE noticed. And yeah, the LPGA is doing great. We just. Yeah, I just want the lpg.

[Julie Foudy]

Best players in the world. Huge week for women's sports. So we're gonna be there.

[Abby Wambach]

We're so excited.

[Billie Jean King]

I know Abby's gonna be there. She's gonna try to figure out how to get her handicapped in.

[Julie Foudy]

Exactly, exactly.

[Abby Wambach]

Major championship golf by day, women's sports celebration by night. I mean, come on. It's gonna be pretty perfect, this combination. And on Thursday, y', all, we're gonna be there live for an exclusive fan experience. Special conversations, meet and greets, photo ops, and a full, full welcome to the party moment. RSVP [e-mail] ally-house we will see you there, folks.

[Billie Jean King]

Don't you love Ally? I mean, come on, step up for Ally. They are so good to women's sports.

[Julie Foudy]

Yes.

[Billie Jean King]

Thank you. Thank you, Ellen.

[Julie Foudy]

They show up everywhere.

[Billie Jean King]

They are unbelievable. I saw that on the tv. I saw that they were going to sponsor it. I thought. Thank you.

[Abby Wambach]

Yeah.

[Julie Foudy]

So on that note, let's keep this Ally party going and get into our party starter. The highlights, shake ups and headlines. You'll want to celebrate this week in women's sports. This party starter is brought to you by Ally the bank that is your Ally. Okay, topic number one, party people. We are giving an NWSL update because we're about to go on a month long break. So that's right from. They're pausing the regular season from June 1st to June 28th. Yeah, they one, it's a CBA mandated players week off. But then it's also to navigate stadium conflicts. As we know, the, the World cup, the men's World cup is coming to the United States. So there's broadcasting demands during the World cup and, and obviously stadium demands. So regular season matches will resume on July 3rd. But before we hit that break, can we talk about this insane table that is the standings right now? Okay. San Diego sits in first with 25 points. Utah. Utah. I can't believe I'm saying it. Utah and Portland are right behind with 24 points. And there's only three points that actually separate second place from sixth place Kansas City. So literally one hot streak after the break and you're back in the mix of that. And you saw maybe Utah and Portland. So two teams literally separated by nothing in the shield race played to a wild two. Two.

[Abby Wambach]

It was wild. I watched that.

[Julie Foudy]

Yeah.

[Billie Jean King]

So through Wilson, it's a team that gets the most points at the end, right?

[Abby Wambach]

Yeah.

[Billie Jean King]

You guys go by points. I know we go by points. I always find that extraordinary.

[Julie Foudy]

Well, then they go into playoffs, so that gives you your playoff ranking. And then they go into the playoffs, so they go into quarterfinals, semifinals, and finals. So you could win the Shield, which is you had the most points, but not in. Win the actual title, if that makes sense. So Sophia Wilson came through Kinger and stoppage time, calmly bearing a penalty to rescue a point for the Thorns. And I don't. I don't know if the party people saw it, but Barbara Banda, unfortunately, I mean, Orlando got the. The big 31 win over BFC, but Barbara Banda scored twice. She added an assist. She's been on absolute fire with a golden boot race. Leading, leading, you know, the league with 11 goals in 12 matches. But she left late in the game with an injury, so we hope that she's okay. And she's leading that race, by the way, by four goals over Ashley Sanchez, who's sitting at seven. Who is the American right now playing with the most goals, who's been on fire? And she plays for North Carolina. They played Angel City. I was at that game last night. Abby, it's not you. They lost without you there. I was like, damn it.

[Billie Jean King]

And aren't we in last place, Angel City?

[Julie Foudy]

No, we are not in last place.

[Billie Jean King]

Kinger, where are we?

[Julie Foudy]

We are not in last place. We're in like. I didn't look after we lost. Are we 14th?

[Abby Wambach]

I think so.

[Julie Foudy]

I think we were at 11th or 12th when we started the game.

[Billie Jean King]

Oh, come on, you guys.

[Julie Foudy]

Sanchez did not score either of the two goals. We lost two to one. But she started both of them. She got the assist. That led to the assist and. Okay. But on more positive news, a highlight has been seeing Mal Swanson back on the pitch in just her second game back after an 18 month absence for maternity leave. And a week ago, she came off the bench, ripped a low rocket from the outside, from outside the box for the game winner. Her first goal back. It was her first NWS cell goal since 2024 and a huge boost because that Chicago team is even below us. Kinger.

[Billie Jean King]

Yeah, I know.

[Abby Wambach]

We're in 12th place.

[Billie Jean King]

I actually talked to the Chicago.

[Julie Foudy]

We're in 12th. We're in 12.

[Abby Wambach]

I just showed.

[Billie Jean King]

All right, it doesn't matter. Just give it everything you've got, every game. That's all I care.

[Julie Foudy]

Okay? Speaking of Mallory Swanson, she is also back on the U.S. women's National Team for the first time since winning Olympic gold in Paris. So Emma Hayes has reunited the triple espresso. That deserves a I love Espresso. I think it also deserves, like, do you guys have it like a little espresso shot? You can clink to the camera, get your. Get your espresso shot. You know, I know you have a coffee cup everywhere. Yeah. Okay. A triple espresso. Clink. Kinger, you got yours up? Ready?

[Billie Jean King]

Got it.

[Julie Foudy]

On three. One, two, three, three.

[Abby Wambach]

Clink.

[Billie Jean King]

Clinkers.

[Julie Foudy]

Clink. Take that shot, Kinger. Okay.

[Billie Jean King]

You know, I have to drink decaf. I hate it.

[Abby Wambach]

I want them.

[Julie Foudy]

I know.

[Billie Jean King]

I want the jolt.

[Abby Wambach]

Yeah.

[Julie Foudy]

So we've got Mal's back with Zofia and Trinity, the self anointed triple espresso. Espresso. As you may recall, they combined for 10 goals during the Olympics. And this is the first time they're back since the Olympics. They beat Brazil in that gold medal match in 2024. And if Swanson plays in that first U.S. women's National Team game, which is on June 6, it will be 604 days between those two U.S. women's national team appearances. And get this, she would be the 19th. 18th was Sophia Wilson, 19th mother. To play on the US Women's National Team roster.

[Billie Jean King]

Awesome.

[Abby Wambach]

That is incredible.

[Julie Foudy]

Right? I know. When I saw that stat, I was like, what? Okay, so the US Is going to face Brazil twice on Brazilian soil. So June 6th in Sao Paulo, June 9th in Fortaleza. And as we know, the World cup is happening in 2027 for the women's World cup. And that's happening in. In Brazil. Hence why the US Is down there. Okay. DEI segment. Very excited about this. In other national team news, I don't know if you guys saw this yesterday. The US Men's national team Kinger played its first of two pre World cup friendlies because they kick off on the first US men's game is June 12th. World cup is on June 11th. It kicks off. But this is one of their two friendlies preceding the World Cup. They beat Senegal 3 to 2.

[Billie Jean King]

Let's go. Come on, guys.

[Abby Wambach]

Let's go.

[Billie Jean King]

You know, everyone yells about the guys, but it's not fair because boys in the United States have all these other sports that.

[Julie Foudy]

Yeah.

[Billie Jean King]

That they learn first. Okay. Or they learn soccer with them, but. So it's not fair with the guys. We gotta be. Give them more time.

[Julie Foudy]

We are rooting hard for the boys.

[Billie Jean King]

They're doing better and better and they'll get there. They're doing better and better.

[Julie Foudy]

Here's the thing. Christian Pulisic, who we know is the star of the team, he had not scored in all of 2026 for club or country. He had not scored after being so hot for AC Milan last season. Beginning of the season. And he got a goal and an assist in the 3, 2 win. So that is huge. It's like you got to just as Abby, you know. Well, right. You just got to get that first goal back.

[Abby Wambach]

That's right.

[Billie Jean King]

Yeah.

[Julie Foudy]

Right.

[Abby Wambach]

Get the monkey off your back.

[Billie Jean King]

Totally.

[Julie Foudy]

But you could see he. He was quite relieved the way he celebrated that goal. Um, so come on. They got a game on June six in Chicago. It's their final against Germany. Their final pre game World Cup Germany. And then As I said, June 12th is the US opener. June 11th is the opening day of the World Cup.

[Billie Jean King]

I'm so excited.

[Abby Wambach]

I cannot wait. And you know, no matter what, we're going to be rooting for the boys all.

[Billie Jean King]

Yeah, for sure.

[Abby Wambach]

Whatever.

[Billie Jean King]

Go, guys.

[Abby Wambach]

But we want to switch topics now. We want to go move over to the wnba. We want to give a little update because it's been a minute since we've talked hoops. So now a handful of games into the season, we also want to do a little check in because Minnesota, this is incredible, is sitting on top of

[Julie Foudy]

the standings, following without Nafisa Collier yet as well.

[Abby Wambach]

Exactly. Followed by Atlanta, Dallas, Las Vegas, and then Golden State. So to those teams, the Aces and the Valkyries met up Sunday, which, you know, love seeing the celebrities like Adam Sandler and his wife supporting women's sports, too. But despite all that good Valhalla home

[Billie Jean King]

love,

[Abby Wambach]

Golden State fell to the defending champs 9181 after kind of a crappy third quarter where they were outscored by 16 points. And of course, Asia Wilson did her thing, you know, finishing with 28 points, 15 rebounds and four blocks. That's an incredible statistical night. Now, Saturday night, the expansion Portland fire held king six points and rolled to their fourth win in five games, which is with. With 180. With 100 to 84 victory over the fever, who are just four and four on the season. That's pretty good. Portland Fire for the first.

[Billie Jean King]

Portland's great. I watched them a couple. I've watched them in two games. God, I can't remember. Anyway, I've been watching a lot of WNBA and I can't keep track though. There's so many games on that, which is a nice problem.

[Abby Wambach]

It's a good problem.

[Billie Jean King]

It's totally still.

[Julie Foudy]

I love it too.

[Billie Jean King]

And when I turn on the like, okay, I go, who's playing? Who's playing? And they're playing.

[Julie Foudy]

Yeah.

[Abby Wambach]

And in that game, Caitlin Clark, she played 22 minutes going 1 for 7 from the field, and just the seventh single digit scoring night of her career. I think a lot of people probably saw. But when she was on the sidelines, her and her coach, and she was getting a little bit animated, I think, which a lot of people are talking about. But I love that because, like, you care, you know, and like, you're. You're a competitor. You move your body parts. Like, that's just like a normal thing.

[Billie Jean King]

Her passing was still good.

[Julie Foudy]

Stephanie White was like, okay, you're out. Johnson, sit down. Did you see that?

[Abby Wambach]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Julie Foudy]

I did kind of love that too. I love both of it. I was like, okay, same. Yes.

[Abby Wambach]

Um, so we all thought that we're expected to struggle after last season's dismal finish. Like the Dallas Wings, they have been coming out pretty strong swinging. In fact, Paige and az.

[Julie Foudy]

Wait, Abs, you predicted this, by the way you talked about this. You were so excited about Dallas.

[Billie Jean King]

Yeah.

[Abby Wambach]

Thank you. Thank you. I know what I'm talking about, folks. Paige and az, they've been dominating the backcourt. And recently they combined for 48 points against Liberty. 48 points between.

[Billie Jean King]

Yeah. When they got. Everybody got excited. Yeah.

[Abby Wambach]

The Wings are now tied for third place in the league. I'm excited to continue to watch them play. But here's the thing. Like, when you have two big stars like that.

[Julie Foudy]

Yeah.

[Abby Wambach]

It's hard to defend both.

[Julie Foudy]

Yeah.

[Abby Wambach]

You put your best player on one, and then it leaves this other player who's just like, gonna crush you for the entire. For the entire game.

[Julie Foudy]

Wallet as well. It's like, gosh, they're good.

[Abby Wambach]

Exactly.

[Julie Foudy]

Yeah.

[Billie Jean King]

Yeah, they're really good.

[Julie Foudy]

They looked really good. And AZ has been lighting it up after, you know, like, it took. It takes a little bit to get going.

[Billie Jean King]

And.

[Julie Foudy]

And now she's crushing. Yeah, she's crushing.

[Abby Wambach]

She's a baller.

[Julie Foudy]

Let's go, ace. Okay, bonus topic. Let's give some love, shall we, to some of the NCAA Natty winners. Yes. Northwestern won its ninth. Hello. NCAA Division 1 National Championship in lacrosse, defeating North Carolina 14 to 11. That was a crazy game. I just tuned in right in the fourth quarter and caught all the end of that. And Northwestern coach Kelly Amante Hiller extended her record as the most successful coach in NCAA Division 1 women's lacrosse history. So since taking over the program in 2002, the Wildcats have become one of the greatest dynasties in women's college sports. Ninth NCAA Division 1 title, and Amonte Hiller and UNC coach Jenny Levy have combined for 13 national titles.

[Abby Wambach]

I'm just going to say this really quick because I watched the game and I've talked to the people, and Northwestern deserved to win this game. I think that they outplayed UNC for the four quarters, but it was closer at the end than the scoreline reads in the final. There was. There was a lot of conjecture and talk after the game about the refereeing. And I just want to say that because I'm friends with the North Carolina coach, Jenny Levy. Her husband was my agent for many, many, many, many years. Decades. And so I'm very close with this family, and I'm just, like, heartfelt extended love to you, Jenny, and to you, Kate, their daughter, who's. Who's a sophomore on the team and plays. They won the national championship last year. So, like, I'm not, like, too sad for you, but I know how much time and effort you put into this.

[Julie Foudy]

Well, you know, no one wants to. Yeah, I'm sure even Northwestern was like, ugh, you know, like, yes, they're gonna be excited that they won, but, like, it. It ended with a little bit of controversy, some of the refereeing calls, and no one wants that.

[Abby Wambach]

Exactly.

[Julie Foudy]

Yeah.

[Abby Wambach]

Sorry to interrupt you.

[Julie Foudy]

No, no worries. Stanford Women's golf, y'. All Go card. Stanford are national champions again in women's golf. They beat USC in the NCAA Women's Golf Championship to capture its third national championship in the last five years.

[Catherine Legg]

Yeah.

[Billie Jean King]

Wow.

[Julie Foudy]

I know. They've been hot. And the program, why are they so good? How did they get the best golfers ever, Kinger? Duh. Because it's Stanford.

[Billie Jean King]

Squeeze me. Squeeze me. What am I talking. Who am I talking to?

[Julie Foudy]

Senior Megha Ghana delivered the clinching point, finishing her Stanford career. How cool is this? By helping bring another trophy back to the farm. So that's how she finished off her career.

[Abby Wambach]

That's.

[Julie Foudy]

Good job. That's a wrap on our party starter. And thanks to Ally for sponsoring this segment. Ally is more than a bank, and their do it right approach helps customers unlock their economic potential and guides their efforts as a leading sponsor in women's sports. And just like us, Ally believes that when women in sports win, we all have a reason to party. Ally Bank Member, FDIC okay, up next, she has sacrificed nearly everything for the sport she loves and just attempted one of the most insane challenges in all of sports. Along the way, she's gone from feeling pressure to hide her femininity to proudly driving a pink elf car. And in Catherine's world, ELF Cosmetics stands for eyes, lips, not Face. But fuel. The indomitable Katherine leg is next. I. As you know, you see me a lot on calls. I take them from the backyard. I love to hang out in the backyard and grill.

[Abby Wambach]

Yes. Yes. Me too.

[Julie Foudy]

When the weather is nicer, I love it.

[Abby Wambach]

I'm a grill freak.

[Billie Jean King]

Yeah.

[Julie Foudy]

And I have this huge Blackstone.

[Abby Wambach]

Oh, flat top. Okay, here we go. Here we go.

[Julie Foudy]

And so you can literally do breakfast, lunch, and dinner on it at the same time if you wanted. Like, sometimes I'll do, like, eggs, bacon, and pancakes.

[Abby Wambach]

Yeah, yeah.

[Julie Foudy]

If I'm, like, grilling in the morning. So what's your meal like? Favorite meal to grill.

[Abby Wambach]

Okay. So I also, too, had a Blackstone, but now I have a gas and a smoker, and so my favorite. I actually just did this yesterday. Last night, we call it favorite Chicken. And so I marinate chicken for, like, four days in the fridge with a little barbecue and a little honey mustard. Mm. Marinades. Mm. Mm. And then you do that for four days, and then you slow cook it. Right. So it's like you put low and slow, and then right at the end or the beginning, you can do, like, a reverse char. Tell you. I'm like, I'm a grill. I'm a grill fiend.

[Julie Foudy]

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[Billie Jean King]

Yep.

[Julie Foudy]

Literally, as we know, thousands of fans can get into the action with experiences taking place across six host cities from June 11 to July 19. So we're talking fan events, match day parties, and authentic experiences led by locals, athletes and cultural insiders.

[Abby Wambach]

So exciting.

[Julie Foudy]

I know. And what I really love about this is that Airbnb is thinking about the fans who can't necessarily attend a match themselves. Yes, you can still be part of the tournament atmosphere through these Game day meetups happening across Miami, Los Angeles, New Jersey and Mexico City. And every experience is curated with local hosts, athletes, and cultural insiders to give fans an authentic connection to each city.

[Abby Wambach]

I love this.

[Julie Foudy]

I know. I love it too. Because not everyone can go to these games, of course. Right? Yep. So fans can learn more and book tournament time [e-mail] FIFA-CITIES that's airbnb.com FIFA-CITIES

[Abby Wambach]

and Jules, don't forget, we are doing two of these. So if, if you all want to look into it, go to Airbnb Experiences and look up Julie Foudy and Abby Wambach and you can come and hang with us for two of these experiences. Let's go. You guys know how much we love the Peloton Cross Training Tread plus, powered by Peloton iq, Peloton helps you unlock all the expansive, joyful feeling one gets through movement. Truly, it's not just running. You can literally go from a walk or run straight into strength training with like the swivel screen that, you know, that we all love. It just feels so seamless.

[Julie Foudy]

Love it.

[Abby Wambach]

It's. There's no stopping, no overthinking without losing any momentum. And my goodness, if I lose, lose momentum, I'm gone.

[Julie Foudy]

And let me tell you, I have to fight the family to get on the pel. The Peloton Cross Training Tread plus lately, yeah, everyone is on it. They're all doing the swivel, they're doing the cross training. I'm like, listen, yo, this is mine. Get off. It's built around you too. Your pace, your energy, what you need that day. It's like having a roadmap, which we all want, but without the pressure. So Peloton IQ gives you the level of support you deserve. And let's be clear, us women deserve tools, support, and experiences built for us and around us. And of course, our potential.

[Abby Wambach]

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[Julie Foudy]

And now, party people, to the parties. Part of our party. Katherine Legg has raced Indy cars, NASCAR stock cars, formula E cars, endurance cars, and she became the first one woman to win a major open wheel race in North America. She holds the fastest Indy 500 qualifying speed ever by a woman and has spent decades throwing herself into some of the fastest and most dangerous racing on earth. And recently, y', all, she became the first woman to attempt one of the wildest challenges in all of sports. The double racing Both the Indianapolis 500 and this is insane. NASCAR's Coca Cola 600 on the same day. She's been incredibly honest about the sacrifices, about dedicating her entire life to racing, about feeling pressure to hide her femininity and adapt to a culture that wasn't built with women in mind. And despite the setbacks, the doubts, and even some terrifying crashes, she keeps coming back for more. And in a sport where women have constantly been questioned, underestimated, and outnumbered, Catherine continues to force people to rethink what's possible. Katherine Legg, welcome to the party.

[Abby Wambach]

Welcome to the party. Catherine Legg.

[Catherine Legg]

I was not prepared for this level of party. It's too early. Thank you. Thanks for having me on.

[Abby Wambach]

Oh, my gosh.

[Julie Foudy]

You got a new horn or something. What do you got there like that?

[Billie Jean King]

You know Josh, who does everything for me, he bought you some new things. Buy some things that I can blow on. And they're loud. And it's party time. I love it.

[Abby Wambach]

Okay.

[Billie Jean King]

So great to have you. Kathryn, I'm so excited.

[Julie Foudy]

Great seal. Yeah.

[Abby Wambach]

Catherine, can you explain this historic double that you recently, recently attempted, like only five other drivers, all men, have ever done it, as you, as Julie mentioned. So can you explain it? What the hell is it?

[Catherine Legg]

I'll start at the end.

[Billie Jean King]

So.

[Catherine Legg]

So it is quite an accomplishment to do the Indy 500, right? It's the biggest sporting event in the world. 350, 000 people. It's the pinnacle of open wheel racing in. In America, probably the world. And it's a big deal. And so I was super honored to be able to do that for the fifth time. It's, it's quite amazing to be able to do that and then to be able to have had one of the most diverse careers in racing, like from necessity was born my diversity. I guess I've had to take every opportunity that has been put my way. So I've driven, as you mentioned in your wonderful intro. Thank you very much. I've driven everything with four wheels and a steering wheel. So I did a bunch of NASCAR races last year and was qualified to be able to take part in the cup series. And so my team said, why don't you do, why don't you do the double? And I said, you're crazy. That's insane. Like, why would I want to do that? And then I thought, why not? You know, maybe I'll never get the opportunity again. Maybe it will open doors for other young girls coming up through racing. Maybe, maybe, maybe. Right. Like I would just regret not doing it. So basically it's 1100 miles in a day, spans two states. You've got the biggest or the, at least the longest NASCAR race, which is the coaxic 600 in Charlotte and you got the Indy 500. You start off in Indy and you finish in Charlotte about midnight, do 1100 miles. It's a lot physically, mentally, emotionally. I think mentally it's the hardest thing.

[Billie Jean King]

But yeah, so you go transportation.

[Abby Wambach]

So you go from Indianapolis 500 and you're racing in an F1 car.

[Julie Foudy]

Right, an Indy car.

[Abby Wambach]

Sorry. So what time?

[Catherine Legg]

It's, it's a bit of a day. You start at 5am when the gong goes off at Indy and then you do all of the pageantry, I guess is the best way of putting it. Where they, they do the autographs and the grid walk and the back home again, Indiana and the flyover and, and like it's a few hours of intros and all the things. So you start like 11ish, 1030 to 1130ish. I think in Indy that's a three to four hour race. You get on a helicopter, it gets on a jet to go to Charlotte. You land, you go to driver intros at Charlotte and then you get in the car and that is a, or was a five hour race. We finished at 11:45. And so it is like 10, well, probably eight to 10 hours in the race car. It's about 5, 000 calories in a day.

[Abby Wambach]

Oh my God.

[Catherine Legg]

Oh yeah.

[Billie Jean King]

I just don't understand how you can concentrate that long because I mean you really have to. This is life and death. Concentration, kids. This Isn't like, oh, hit them all over the net.

[Julie Foudy]

Yeah.

[Catherine Legg]

I don't know. 230 miles an hour feels a lot safer to me than having a ball smacked at me at 100, whatever miles an hour. It's, it's not like it's my first time. So it's. If somebody said to you you had to go and do that, it would be that you wouldn't be able to.

[Abby Wambach]

Right.

[Catherine Legg]

Mentally, you'd reach a point where it's overload. You remember when you were learning how to drive a streetcar? Yeah. And like everything they were throwing at you was too much information in the beginning. And now you do it without even thinking and it's just like subconscious. Well, racing is somewhat similar in that you start off racing in your early career and they do 20 minute races and even that's a lot. And it's tiring because it's like you say the mental aspect of it and then you go up to like 40 minute races and then by the time you reach the big leagues, it's two or three hour races that you're trained for. I've also done a bunch of endurance racing, like 24 hours of Daytona and things like that, where you're in the car for two or three hours, then you get out, you give it to your teammate, and then you kind of cycle back through. So you're used to getting out, getting back in, getting out and getting back in. And I think I was hoping that would carry me. I have, however, never known an exhaustion like I did at the end of Charlotte, because they kept stopping the race at the end for rain. So it'd stop and I'd sit there in the race car in pit lane and I'd be like, I'm just gonna close my eyes just for 30 seconds. It's gonna be okay.

[Billie Jean King]

Like napping, snappers.

[Catherine Legg]

So tired.

[Billie Jean King]

Gotta go to go to sleep.

[Julie Foudy]

Oh, my gosh, I'm fascinated. I mean, the mental, of course, because it's not like a soccer player where, you know, we talk about this with winter Olympians. You know, like what you were doing, you're stepping out into something that is life or death, literally. And so you have to be so locked in, you don't have that feeling when you're stepping on a soccer field. Right. Of like, what I am doing is, is so on the edge. So I think it is.

[Catherine Legg]

I think it's the same. No, I think so. Once you're in it, it's like tunnel. It's like you're in the zone. I think it's the same.

[Julie Foudy]

Oh my gosh. When I see these Indy races and in the NASCAR races and like the craziness, like if your wheels even touch, right, like you're airborne and then you're flipping through the air and it's not like that to me is insane how close you're getting all the time and then, I mean it's insane. But my, my point being the physical side of it though, with the GS, like, how is that even possible? I, I, I've never been in a race car going 200 miles per hour over and over for 11 hour. How many hours did you say that was that you were on?

[Catherine Legg]

I think it's like nine hours in total.

[Julie Foudy]

I'm a, what do you feel like? Are you just collapsing at the end or what is that like?

[Catherine Legg]

Yeah, pretty much. It's, you're trained for it though, right? Like your necks would fall off.

[Julie Foudy]

Yeah, my neck would fall off.

[Billie Jean King]

Trained for it.

[Catherine Legg]

I, I, I think you just, you know, you just lock in, you just get it done. It's, it's like the first three laps you're like, holy moly, this is heavy. And I'm not. Your neck is locked in in an Indy car, so you can't move it. So like you don't really have to worry about it. Not in a stock car. That was, that was a challenge at the end because I kept banging my head on the, on the headrest. But I train, I do two a days for all year round pretty much. And I train hard to be able to do it. Actually, women are better equipped to take G force than men because of our physio physiology, I guess. Like our center of gravity is lower, so we're better at it than the guys are. And it's repetitive strength. Right. Like we're never, we're never sprinting. It's, it's like being an endurance athlete. It's like running a marathon or an ultra marathon or like you just keep on keeping on. And my heart rate was for the five hours, my average heart rate was just under 170 for five hours in the stuff.

[Abby Wambach]

170.

[Catherine Legg]

Just under. Yeah, it was between 165 and 170.

[Abby Wambach]

Whoa.

[Billie Jean King]

Yeah.

[Catherine Legg]

Hence the calories.

[Abby Wambach]

Yeah.

[Billie Jean King]

Yeah.

[Abby Wambach]

Which is so interesting because it's, there's so much that's happening physically because of the G force and because of the gripping and because of the speed, but then the emotional, like the mentality, I just think that that's so interesting because of course, whether you want to acknowledge it like, you're. One wrong move and it could be bad News Bears. Right. So. And. And I've been in an ask car before as a passenger, not a driver, and it was the scariest thing ever. And I. I stepped out of that vehicle and I felt like, so much respect for you all and that there is even a debate on whether or not y' all are actual athletes or not.

[Billie Jean King]

Are you kidding?

[Catherine Legg]

I'm gonna show this to Stephen Smith

[Billie Jean King]

and be like, kidding horse are athletes?

[Abby Wambach]

Yes.

[Billie Jean King]

Who says non athletes? You must.

[Abby Wambach]

Steven, There's a lot of. There's a lot of.

[Billie Jean King]

You've gotta be kidding me.

[Abby Wambach]

Yes, I know, it's ridiculous. How do you consume calories during a race? And how do you pee? I'm just curious.

[Catherine Legg]

I love this question. I love this calorie question because I eat so, so much food. The thing going into the double I was worried about was like, what am I going to eat? How am I going to eat it? Because, yeah, it's hot in the race car too. It's like 130 degrees. So it's like working out.

[Julie Foudy]

Oh, my God. They don't have air conditioning.

[Catherine Legg]

No, that's weight and takes away power. No, we can't even open the window.

[Julie Foudy]

Realize that.

[Billie Jean King]

Of course. Yeah.

[Catherine Legg]

So it was obviously I. I have a trainer. And we were going backwards and forwards on what I was going to eat and how I was going to eat it. When I get out of the IndyCar, I feel sick because you've put your body under so much stress and pressure and you're right. It's the mental and emotional combination that is the tougher thing. And I think that's what, like, hurts you physically, like physically not a big deal, but becomes a big deal. And if you're not fit, by the way, then it takes away from the mental. You have to be fit enough to not have that be an issue so that it's not mental. So I made sure that I was like, carb loading for a few days on the. On the load up on. On the run up and. Yeah, well, it was fun because normally I am, like, very protein focused. So did that. Then on the day, I ate little and often I couldn't eat after I got out the IndyCar and I had to force myself to. And it was very unpleasant because it just felt so sick. And then I felt worse after I'd eaten. And then actually we came up with a strategy for. For Charlotte because I got through all of that no problem. We actually crashed out of. Of indie early, so it wasn't like I, I had too many. Yeah, it sucked.

[Julie Foudy]

It wasn't that hard to watch cuz you had to avoid what was the car.

[Catherine Legg]

I'm sorry, Ryan Hunter, Ray Wanker spun in front of me.

[Julie Foudy]

He came right in front of you and you almost, I mean, you did great not to t bone him.

[Catherine Legg]

Yeah, I know, it was a bummer. I actually shot the gap. So you don't see anything in those situations. So you're doing 200 miles an hour and all you see is smoke and you're like, I know there's a car in there somewhere. I just don't know where it is. And it hurts when you hit somebody at 200 miles an hour. So I saw the car kind of going to the inside and I thought I'd shoot the wall and normally they go to the inside, but he came off the brakes and then he started moving his way back up the track. So I had to dive to the inside and it was just, it overloaded the tires and it was, it was game over, unfortunately, because we had a good car for Indy. So I was, I was looking forward to that one. But back to the, back to the food. I always want to talk about food. And so we came up with a strategy which was basically gels and bars and baby food. So they have this new baby food with electrolytes in it too. So I was like, during the race, under yellow, I have my little stash and I'd be like shoving food up in my helmet like a bar. I'm so hungry and normally I don't need to pee. Because you're so dehydrated because it's so hot in there. I. You have a safety pee before you get in the race car and then you don't need to go. But at the end of the five hour race, I was like, are they going to stop this for the rain? Because I really, really need to pee. And a lot of drivers just do it in their seats. But I, I've spent 40 odd years trying not to pee my pants that I can't do it.

[Abby Wambach]

That's tough. Oh my gosh. Okay, so the food and the peeing, I want to talk a little bit about the different. Go ahead, Jules.

[Julie Foudy]

Oh, wait. I just wanted. When she mentioned her car was really good at Indy, this is one of the things that is super fascinating to me because I heard you talking on a podcast talking about the fact that the best driver on the day, right, can have and drive the most elite day they've ever done with all like perfect driving. But that is all rendered kind of useless if you don't have a good car. You are so dependent, which I think would be really frustrating as a driver, Right. You're so dependent on the type of car and how fast your car is. And as we know, because there's so few women in racing, they are never given the resources to have the best car. Right? So, like you saying, oh, that was. Actually, I got a good car that day triggered that thought for me of, you know, for so many women, it's hard enough to get into racing, and then you can be the most elite driver, but if you don't have a good car because you're not given those sponsorships or you don't have that, like, how do you fight that? How do you overcome that?

[Catherine Legg]

That's a good question, one that I've been fighting against for. For ages. Even when you do have the sponsorship and you have the firepower behind you, like ELF with me and their activations and, I mean, they changed the face of racing for women. Right. Even with that, I still can't get an opportunity with one of the top teams. Penske, Ganassi, Anybody? Everybody. Because it's. Yeah, it's too much for them. You got to have a top team. And I've never had that. So I don't know. And I. And I want to fix it for the next generation. Right. Like, I don't know how to fix it for the next generation, because the only way I think you can do it is if you start off in the best car on the ladder and then you jump to the best car on the next rung of the ladder and you keep working up from the bottom to it, because that's the only way you're going to win races. That's the only way you're going to move up. And nobody. Yeah. Sarah Fisher, do you have a team

[Billie Jean King]

of women that try to help each other or not? Like, not really generations?

[Julie Foudy]

Of course.

[Billie Jean King]

I'm so old, I can go Back to the seventies with guy raising and women. Lynn St. James, Janet Guthrie. Janet Guthrie. They can never get enough money. Just forget they couldn't. They just couldn't get the sponsorship. I mean, they tried everything. And then you just keep going through every generation and you're still, to some, in some ways, are having the same problems, although I think elf's starting to change it. But it's like. But now you got to get on the right team. Like you said, that's the next thing, right?

[Catherine Legg]

Yep. And we.

[Billie Jean King]

We are.

[Catherine Legg]

We were at Indy this year. On a better team. So normally I'm on like, I hate to call it the worst team because that's like not respecting that they're still better than 99% of the teams out there. They're just at the top echelon.

[Billie Jean King]

Right.

[Catherine Legg]

It's like being at the bottom of the premier division. You're still in the premier division. So this year was better. Next year, hopefully with more time leading up to and etc, etc will be better. And so you kind of, you just have to put yourself in the best situation possible, but you also have to take whatever opportunities are afforded to you. And actually Lynn St. James still works with a bunch of women drivers. But the problem we have now, this is another favorite topic of mine to talk about is we have the inception of the F1 Academy, or the W series as it used to be known, which is an all female series that follows Formula one around. And so basically they've been given a very low powered car and they've been. The premise of it, it's run by Susie Wolff who I used to race against. She used to be a good driver in her own right and has had to fight the hard way coming up through too. But the premise of it is to get these women an opportunity to get on the first rung of the ladder and from there they then go out and race with the guys. Because to be the best, you have to beat the best, right. To move up. So that's not what it's done actually, because if you look at it, you've got the Janet Guthrie's and the Lynn St. James's and the Sarah Fishers and the Danica Patrick's and then the me and you had Simona and Anna, Beatrice and I want to say like 10, 15 years ago there was six of us racing professionally. Like it was, it was like a snowball going down a hill. Like there was more and more and more and more and more. And then the F1 Academy came along and kind of like sucked all of the young female talent out of those lower echelons and they haven't moved out of there. So there is nobody behind me and I'm getting older. So what? Who's going to fill that gap? They've all gone to, to the be this like all girl team and like I love women's sports with all my heart but there is absolutely no reason to segregate us because we can race against the guys.

[Billie Jean King]

Yeah, you're the one sport you don't have to segregate.

[Catherine Legg]

Exactly, exactly.

[Billie Jean King]

I agree.

[Julie Foudy]

So when they're going to the F1 women's side, why aren't they then transitioning over to the men's side? If it's there to develop them, right, It's a gimmick.

[Catherine Legg]

So they've got money and sponsorship and everything to, to run their female series, but then to get out of it, they give them, oh, you can be a test driver in Formula E or you can be a support driver for Formula 1 or whatever. However, there's no money then supporting them to go and do what they should have done in the first place, which is like Formula 4 or Formula 3 or something like that. And they get stuck in this cycle and it's, it's almost like, if you're gonna make a women's series, then make it for everybody, not just the young ones coming in and suck them out and then make it a Formula one car. Give us the same equipment like the guys have and then we'll. I still don't agree with it, by the way, because there is no reason for segregation, but we probably do have to work harder physically just to get to that level. And yeah, it's disappointing because it's basically taken anybody out in that generation behind me. Although the new generation coming up through. I'm actually doing a project with GM at the moment in Chevrolet where we have a couple of young girls that are very young, probably five years out from being at the top levels of IndyCar and NASCAR. But they are kick ass and they are like, they're like me on steroids. Like it's, it's. They are. They take no prisoners. Like, it's awesome to see. I wish that I'd had that opportunity when I was coming up through because they are going to be, they're going to be winning NASCAR races in IndyCar races and they're going to 1's 15 and 1's 18, nearly 19.

[Abby Wambach]

That's great.

[Julie Foudy]

And it would seem that it's in their best interest, Right, like, meaning the racing world, to embrace that diversity of drivers. Right. Like I've even heard you talk about, Catherine, the fact that, you know, you didn't want to initially be in a pink car because you thought it would be like this pinket and shrink it type of feeling from people. And yet you're seeing all these young girls now at races celebrating you and ELF Cosmetics in a way that has made it really almost tangible because you're seeing them there. Right. Like, you got to see it to be it.

[Catherine Legg]

Yeah. I think, like I say, ELF changed the face of motorsport by doing the pink car. And they said, we're going to do a pink car because it matches the lip oil that they were doing the activation on. And I was like, I am not doing a pink car. I don't want to be the girl in a pink car. And they're like, how are we doing it anyway?

[Billie Jean King]

And Elf's out there, man, they go for it.

[Catherine Legg]

They really do.

[Billie Jean King]

Yeah, they're fantastic.

[Catherine Legg]

But it was the best thing that ever happened to me, and it was the best thing that ever happened to women in racing because there was this movement, and I was kind of. I've been trying over my entire career to get this movement of women in racing. I've put teams of endurance women together to try and showcase that women belong. And I've been trying to do it. And until Elf came along, I hadn't really broken through. And then Elf came along and they did the pink car. And literally there was this bizarre but awesome solidarity between all the women. In Indianapolis Motor Speedway, 350,000 people, 40% of them were women. And they were all cheering every time the pink car went by. And they were like, finally, we've been scene. And there are, you know, there are products that are advertising to us. There is activations that suit us. It's not about what wheel bearings can I put on my truck or whatever else it is, Right? And so there was all these sea of little girls wearing these pink Elf jerseys, and it's. It's become. I hate the term girl power. And I feel like it's really cliche, but it's definitely like, you don't have to not be authentic, because until then, I wanted to be seen as just another driver. I didn't want to talk about the girl aspect at all. I was like, listen, the car doesn't know the difference. I put my helmet on. It doesn't matter. And then this happened, and now I'm like, yeah, you can be anything that you want to be. The barriers that you perceive are probably just that perceived, and they're not real. So go out and kick ass at whatever it is you want to do. If you want to be in construction, go for it. If you want to be an engineer, do it like. I am very proud of the program that Elf put together because it's made such a difference to so many people.

[Abby Wambach]

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[Julie Foudy]

I love this. Yeah, because we're always talking about Being mindful with what we eat or what we put into our bodies. But I actually never really thought about laundry detergent in the same way.

[Abby Wambach]

Yeah, I know. Same. And. And when you really think about it, you're wearing these clothes all day. You're working out in them, you're traveling in them, sleeping in them, and then drying off after the shower with them on. So I do think it matters. That's why I like that All Free clear uses only essential ingredients that Jules tackle tough stains and tough odors. We've got teenagers.

[Julie Foudy]

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[Abby Wambach]

It's exactly. It's gentle on the skin, so it's. It's also soft.

[Julie Foudy]

Yeah. And it's 100% free from dyes and perfumes and parabens. And I feel that once you know that, you can't unknow it, which is a good thing.

[Abby Wambach]

Totally. I know. And for me, between our kids and sports gear and just life, there's just always stains. Always stains. Like, there's always something happening.

[Julie Foudy]

Yeah, always. And honestly, I do feel like workout clothes and watch washing them and especially Declan's, like, layers of workout clothes and how many he puts on a day is a full time job.

[Abby Wambach]

Exactly. But. But that's what's great, right? Because it actually works on all of that. But I still feel good about using it for everyone in the house and myself too.

[Julie Foudy]

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[Abby Wambach]

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[Julie Foudy]

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[Julie Foudy]

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[Abby Wambach]

You must be so relaxed. And I'm like, the kids are home, the schedules all are all over the place. There's Travel, there's the pressure to say yes to everything. And in my work, yes.

[Billie Jean King]

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[Catherine Legg]

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[Billie Jean King]

How did you get started in racing? How did you get into racing?

[Catherine Legg]

I was always a little bit of a tomboy and an adrenaline junkie and I started racing go karts with my dad every weekend and realized that I was pretty good at it. Never thought I could be because there was never any girls in racing, especially in Europe. Like Europe was definitely behind the eight ball when it came to women in racing, which is why I ended up over here because it was much more usa. Love it.

[Billie Jean King]

But you're from, you're from Surrey, England, right? That's why we hear that accent.

[Catherine Legg]

Yes. Although I feel like I've been over here for my entire adult life now. So I feel like I'm kind of mid Atlantic. Sometimes I sound more British. If I talk to my mum, I sound very British.

[Julie Foudy]

And if I'm over here, you still sound very British.

[Catherine Legg]

I can, yeah. Unless I'm in a NASCAR and I'm like y'. All. But I started racing go karts and then I won a scholarship to move on and then actually the big break came. So I was always relatively shy as a kid and I didn't want to want to put myself out there too much. But I learned very early that you have to do the things that scare you and make you uncomfortable to be able to get anywhere in life. So the guy who ran the IndyCar series at the time 2005 was a guy called Kevin Kalkoven. He's unfortunately since passed, but he was in England buying Cosworth from Ford. They were like the performance brand of Ford, like Lexus R to Toyota kind of thing. And he was a very successful businessman in his own right and he owned IndyCar series. And so my dad had the bright idea that I should turn up at Cosworth and give him my CV. No resume, no way. So there's like 20 year old Catherine knocking on the door like, hi, can I speak to Kevin Kalkoven please? And the. Luckily they didn't call security on me, right? But I sat there for like four, four hours waiting for him and they're like, he's not going to see you because he's busy buying a multi billion dollar company and his wife and his daughter came out to see the crazy English lady who wanted to see Kevin. And then so I spoke to them and I Gave them my resume, and they were the ones who persuaded him to give me a chance. And then the first race was. I know, right? First race was Long Beach, California, 2005, and I won the race. And so he's.

[Billie Jean King]

Long Beach. Long Beach, California.

[Catherine Legg]

Yeah.

[Billie Jean King]

That's where I'm from. I was born and raised there.

[Catherine Legg]

Oh, yeah. I have my star on the Long Beach. You know, we did your star on the. On the real Walk of Fame. I've got the race in L. A. Yeah.

[Billie Jean King]

But you have one in Long beach, which is. Means so much to me personally, because Long beach is the reason I made it. The people of Long beach made my life. And I had three.

[Julie Foudy]

Oh, gosh. And she won her first Indy race there.

[Billie Jean King]

Can you believe?

[Catherine Legg]

Something magical about Long Beach, Apparently.

[Billie Jean King]

I love it. No, Long beach is big on racing. They have been since I was born, I think.

[Catherine Legg]

Yeah.

[Billie Jean King]

That's why I'm very excited for you, Tio.

[Julie Foudy]

Go back to that story. They sent the daughter and the wife out there, but not Kevin.

[Catherine Legg]

Yeah.

[Julie Foudy]

Like, did you ever get to talk to Kevin?

[Catherine Legg]

I did, four hours later.

[Julie Foudy]

Oh, you did? Yeah.

[Catherine Legg]

But so it was. I spoke to them, and they were really kind to me and nice, and they said to Kevin, you know, you should really give her five minutes, because I think there's obviously something about her that gave her the balls to sit in the office and to try and wait on you. I was, like, sweating and shaking, and I was wearing this suit that I borrowed from somebody because I didn't own a suit, proper suit, you know, like, it was disgusting. And so he came out and he said in his typical form, like, hello, young lady. And I was like, hi, Mr. Kal Coban. I want to drive for you, please. I want to drive in America. I think it's wonderful. I promise I'm really good. And nothing happened from it. From that meeting? Actually, I drove home, and in those days, it wasn't illegal to talk on your cell phone and drive. So I called my dad, and I was crying. I was like, that was so hard. And he thought I was crazy. And four days later, I got a call from Jim and Pam Griffith, who owned an indie lights team, you know the Ladder, I was talking about earlier? And they said, hey, Kevin, Kalkoven wants us to test you. Can you be in Phoenix on Thursday? So I. I know. I called my dad, and I was like, hey, I'm gonna need to borrow some money for a flight to Phoenix, if that's okay.

[Abby Wambach]

That's right.

[Catherine Legg]

And so he lent me the money, and that was the rest the of from there is history. That's what made my career.

[Billie Jean King]

That's great.

[Abby Wambach]

And I, I'm curious, like, at that point, had you raced in the car that you were about to go test in?

[Catherine Legg]

No.

[Abby Wambach]

Yeah.

[Billie Jean King]

How.

[Abby Wambach]

How do you, like, you're. Did you just like do a once over? You look at like. And I get that, like, there's a steering wheel and a gas pedal and a brake pedal.

[Catherine Legg]

Gear, stick gear.

[Abby Wambach]

But like, these cars are built so differently. So how did you have the knowledge to be able to like, figure it out on the fly and then as you keep moving up, the cars change. Right?

[Catherine Legg]

Yeah. I think also the arrogance of you, right? Like, you think you know it all. So I worked my way up through different cars. When I'd like, I'd win a scholarship to do a Formula Ford, which is entry level. So I'd race a few of those races that I had enough sponsorship to go and do, and then I'd do Formula Renault and then I'd kind of do bits and pieces, like whatever was offered to me that I had the means to get because we're not from a wealthy family. So I couldn't buy my way up through the ranks. I had to win opportunities or, like, try and find sponsors. And I would work during the day and I'd be sending off sponsorship proposals until 2am, like, trying to get people to take a chance on me. And that's one of the hardest things, I think, is you have to have somebody that is not scared of the negative repercussions, because there's a lot of people who are like, I don't want to support the girl because of all the backlash. And there is a lot of it because there's still a lot of misogyny in this world. And so you have to have somebody that's going to stand up against that. And, you know, what if the girl gets hurt? Then you're hurting a woman. You're not hurting a dude. Dudes are big and tough and all the things. So there's also the teams. The teams don't want to take a chance on you sometimes because they're like, well, where is she gonna get changed? And like, is she gonna flirt with the mechanics? And then what if? And what if. And so there's. There's a whole lot of people that have given me the opportunity because they, they think that that's all bs, you know.

[Abby Wambach]

Wow. I just am so grateful for you to also. I'm 45 years old. I turned 46 tomorrow.

[Catherine Legg]

Happy birthday.

[Abby Wambach]

Thank you. And I'm curious, like, are there like, places for adults? Like, because I love cars. Like, I've gone to the Long Beach Porsche center here and done the drive there. Like, I love, I love. I'm an adrenaline junkie too. Can, like, old people get involved in this?

[Catherine Legg]

Hey, we're the same age.

[Billie Jean King]

Whoa, girl.

[Julie Foudy]

Exactly.

[Abby Wambach]

I mean, you're current, a current pro athlete, so I'm a former pro athlete who can barely like, run. So. And of course I'm not old people, but, like, you know what I'm saying?

[Catherine Legg]

Like, no, I know young. It's hard to teach an old dog new tricks, let's put it that way. Because racing drivers learn when they're young. It's like learning to play soccer. I would be rubbish at it because I didn't build that muscle memory and that subconscious thing when I was younger. Right. It's like adults who learn to ride a bike struggle much more than kids because you don't have sticky brains anymore. But yes, there is a ton of places where you can go and you could get like a pseudo race car that you can use on the road and you can go and do ssca. And we actually, pro drivers tend to gravitate towards people who are fun, who used to be pro athletes or like really successful business people that want to go and race their Porsche or their Ferrari challenge car or whatever because they have that same killer instinct still, you know, so they want to learn. So I have a few people I coach. I have this little 4 foot 11 firecracker called Eileen, bright red hair who races her Ferrari that I coach and she's so much fun. Like, it's, it takes longer to learn, but you can absolutely do it and it's whatever floats your boat. Do you want to do sports cars? Which I suggest probably because it's endurance and so it's easier to, to do that. I wouldn't, I wouldn't say get into open wheel or even stock cars because it's, it's not fun. Like, endurance racing is fun. You'd enjoy it and you could actually get up to racing with a pro. And endurance racing, they'll like pair the am, the amateur driver with the pros. And so we kind of teach you what you're doing, but it's also like, we're a team. So it's in my interest that you go and do as good a job as possible and as fast as possible. And that would, that would actually be really cool. And again, there's a ladder that you work your way up. So you understand racing on what to do when the yellow flags come out and you know, all the things.

[Abby Wambach]

So I've always had, like, a secret. This is gonna totally out me as, like, a, a weird. I, I love Porsches so much.

[Catherine Legg]

You need to come to Atlanta and go to the one, the center here. It's really cool.

[Julie Foudy]

Yeah.

[Abby Wambach]

And I want one. And it's kind of embarrassing in a way that I want one because I love them so much and I've loved them since it's time. I'm embarrassing, I don't know, because it's like, material.

[Billie Jean King]

You live in Southern California now. It's the perfect place to have a beautiful car.

[Abby Wambach]

It's like, materialistic in a way. And I'm like, I don't know. But, like, I love vintage Porsches. I love the, the 992.2s, the new ones that have come out.

[Catherine Legg]

I'm like, yeah, no, it's not materialistic. It's a work of art. Right? Yeah. And it's, it's one of those things, like, I like vintage jewelry, too. Like, I like antique jewelry. I don't like the new stuff. I like the old stuff because it has this, like, I don't know, allure to it. But yes, get a, get a turbo, because you can use it as a daily and still, like, really cool. No, no, a 911 Turbo Turbo S. No, it's just a 911.

[Billie Jean King]

911. I think I heard.

[Abby Wambach]

Well, yeah, so it's, it's 911 Turbo S.

[Catherine Legg]

I don't know.

[Billie Jean King]

Maybe.

[Catherine Legg]

But I, I, I think if it's just known as the turbo, it's like the, the best of the best without being like a GT3 or a GT2 car, because you can't get in and out of those things and you can't put your shopping in them or.

[Abby Wambach]

Right.

[Catherine Legg]

Or your bag when you go.

[Julie Foudy]

She wants to know where to get her next Porsche. I want to know how I get more teenagers racing in Porsches. I don't, that, that, that bothers me that you said, like, there's no young women coming behind you.

[Billie Jean King]

Yeah. That's what's bothering me. That's what's getting me crazy for a while.

[Catherine Legg]

Like, like, if you look, I want

[Billie Jean King]

women to win, right. And they will. You said it's genderless.

[Catherine Legg]

Right.

[Billie Jean King]

Just get in the car and win. And it's not that easy because they don't really, they're really not getting behind women like they do, the guys. And we need that. We need them to Give them the same opportunities, invest the same money, all the right things.

[Catherine Legg]

I mean, I know.

[Billie Jean King]

Oh, my gosh. I've been hearing this story since the 60s, actually. Isn't that cool?

[Julie Foudy]

How can we help Katherine? Like, what can the party people we always love to, like, say.

[Billie Jean King]

I've already got some ideas, actually, and

[Julie Foudy]

Kinger will be on this.

[Billie Jean King]

But, like, how can we all help Katherine? You'll be hearing from me, unfortunately.

[Catherine Legg]

No, I would love that. Honestly, Any ideas and any.

[Billie Jean King]

Oh, no, I've got. Okay. Here's what it always is. Bottom line money. And the opportunity has to be correct. It has to line up like you're saying they're keeping you separated. That's not good. I've heard you. You said it three or four times in different ways. So who can we go to that's going to start breaking that down slowly but surely. And even the academy that started this way doesn't mean it has to, to stay this way.

[Catherine Legg]

That is absolutely true. Actually. I think there is a way out of the academy if they would acknowledge their issues, and I'm disappointed that Susie hasn't.

[Billie Jean King]

The main thing we would have to think about is how can we make them look really good by their actions to make them look absolutely fantastic to themselves and to the world.

[Catherine Legg]

Yeah.

[Billie Jean King]

Always think about the people you're talking to. How can we make them look good? How can they be like. Well, like elf did. They made the difference. Right. They came in and it's just not belief, it's money behind that belief. It is, how do we, you know, how would you make them look good in all the future decisions?

[Catherine Legg]

Also, we're thinking about it from a very American way of thinking about it. Right. But actually formula one is predominantly European and a lot of Middle Eastern, and they are not as far forward in their thinking with regards to equality as we are.

[Billie Jean King]

No. No, they're not.

[Catherine Legg]

So I don't know the answer to that question because I don't know that culture so well.

[Billie Jean King]

But you're working with gm, Cadillac's gm, so that's not all bad. I've already connected a lot of things in my head. But anyway, you. I love what you're doing.

[Julie Foudy]

But even though they. They aren't maybe where we are in terms of, you got to get us started. This is the same fight back in the day with U. S. Soccer. I said, I don't care whether you love or hate women playing sports or women playing soccer. The fact is you are leaving so much money on the table.

[Billie Jean King]

Correct. You said the right word.

[Julie Foudy]

Money. Money, money, money. This is better. If you have this whole base of women, I would be much more interested in watching the Indy 500 because you are racing it.

[Billie Jean King]

Right.

[Julie Foudy]

Like I tune in this year because you're racing it. So, like, that kind of stuff is helpful for their business. And if you can make that argument, I know it's not the only one, but like, money, money moves mountains, as we know.

[Billie Jean King]

Sadly, also, the women don't realize the power they had. Didn't you, if I heard you correctly, you said 40% of women are fans at the Indy 500 race. Is that correct?

[Catherine Legg]

That is absolutely correct.

[Billie Jean King]

I know, but if you ever could get 40% of the women. It's the same with the NFL.

[Catherine Legg]

Yeah.

[Billie Jean King]

Without the women and also buying the merchandise. The women buy a lot of merch. How do you touch their hearts and minds? How do you make everyone look good and feel empowered to help? Oh, my gosh. This is so exciting, gm.

[Catherine Legg]

If you look at them, they're on board because they realize, one, because they want to do the right thing. But two, because they realize that women have so much power over which car gets bought in the family because it's their own cars.

[Billie Jean King]

Women spend all the money. 85% of this export expenditure of the money in the household are by women.

[Catherine Legg]

Right.

[Billie Jean King]

They have so much power and they don't know it.

[Catherine Legg]

But you've seen the statistics on women's sports. And then women in a man's sports, even worse. Like, they're alpha. The only ones that have come in and gone, no, this is how we're going to do it. But it's like, I was speaking to Visa the other day, and they do not realize they sponsor the F1 Academy. They do not realize that they're supporting segregation. They think they're supporting women. Right?

[Billie Jean King]

Correct.

[Catherine Legg]

So it's how you get the message out there. So they're like, oh, yeah, okay. If we want to be part of this F1 Academy because we like the F1 hoopla, then what we're going to do is we're actually going to support them through the ladder so they can start there, and then we'll support them going into F4 or whatever path.

[Billie Jean King]

That's exactly because the women need to be racing, period. At the top level.

[Julie Foudy]

Pipeline and pathway.

[Abby Wambach]

Wow. Thank you.

[Julie Foudy]

This has been so good, Catherine.

[Catherine Legg]

Sorry, I sidetracked the conversation, too.

[Billie Jean King]

Sorry. I shouldn't. I couldn't help myself. You just, like, there's so many possibilities here.

[Julie Foudy]

Just like, goodness gracious. I'm so also incredibly proud of the Fact that you attempted that double. I'm sorry that that crash didn't allow you to complete it. But, like. And then the rain as well.

[Catherine Legg]

Well, and I had a wheel full.

[Billie Jean King]

Do you want to try that again or not? Or is that it? One and done.

[Catherine Legg]

I think it's still too soon.

[Billie Jean King]

It's, like, ridiculous even to say yes to something like that. But you did it. But now I'm wondering, now that you experienced it, what are your thoughts?

[Catherine Legg]

Are you.

[Billie Jean King]

Probably not.

[Catherine Legg]

Here's the thing. No, I don't want to do that again. It was brutal. But I cannot end on a fail failure, or what I perceive as a failure either. So this stubborn part of me is like, I'm gonna do it until I do it.

[Julie Foudy]

Yeah, I know.

[Abby Wambach]

Oh, well, we will be here watching you and afar.

[Catherine Legg]

I got it.

[Julie Foudy]

Yeah.

[Abby Wambach]

Thank you so much for coming.

[Julie Foudy]

The last thing we always do is a party pose, so whatever your favorite party pose is, I'm going to think of my race car driving party pose on three. Are you ready?

[Abby Wambach]

Three, two, one. You guys, I want to practice. I want to do this.

[Billie Jean King]

What do you mean you want to drive? Yeah, I know you're getting very itchy over there and very inspired, and your little brain was going a mile a minute. I'm like, you're big brains going a

[Abby Wambach]

mile a minute with the go karts. That was me as a kid. I'm obsessed.

[Julie Foudy]

You do.

[Billie Jean King]

You did go guard. I mean, go kart.

[Julie Foudy]

I didn't know that.

[Abby Wambach]

I'm obsessed with, like, I'm obsessed.

[Billie Jean King]

You should do it. Elana did it right now.

[Abby Wambach]

I. I was a starter at. At Daytona one year, and I was, like, in the bird's nest, is what

[Billie Jean King]

they call the bird's nest, huh?

[Abby Wambach]

And it's so scary.

[Billie Jean King]

It is so scary when they whiz by. Can you believe it?

[Julie Foudy]

So scary.

[Abby Wambach]

So amazing.

[Billie Jean King]

I had to do the flag. Lynn St. James had me do the flag for the qualifying because I couldn't make the real one. And you lean over, and you right, abs. You lean over and you're waving the flag, and they start coming to your. Well, they're coming to my right, and I'm like, oh, they're going. So you cannot believe the feeling and how fast. But then the good thing was, somebody came up to me after, said, you know what? You're the first person who never went backwards. You stayed right in the same position, which I didn't realize at all. I had no idea, but it was hard.

[Julie Foudy]

I am so impressed by her.

[Billie Jean King]

She's amazing.

[Julie Foudy]

She had the guts to say, which a lot of people would not. What Formula one is doing for the women is not working. The idea was there, but it's not transitioning to this pipeline, this pathway. Right. Like, that's brave because there's so many sponsors, to her point, that are associating, thinking that they are helping the women in that way. I just was very impressed.

[Billie Jean King]

Yeah. She's very smart, too. She gets it. She understands the business side, which is most athletes we don't know. I mean, I always tell every athlete, know the business you're in.

[Glennon Doyle]

Happy birthday.

[Julie Foudy]

Happy birthday, dear Abby.

[Billie Jean King]

There you go, Abby.

[Julie Foudy]

Yeah.

[Billie Jean King]

Happy birthday. 46,

[Abby Wambach]

You guys.

[Billie Jean King]

They're still a baby.

[Abby Wambach]

And there's a present.

[Billie Jean King]

Go, go.

[Glennon Doyle]

This is from. Welcome to the party.

[Billie Jean King]

Go fire up that Porsche.

[Abby Wambach]

I'm like, I was so mad at you guys all of a sudden, because I was like, they're being so loud, trampling down the stairs.

[Julie Foudy]

Wait, who's there? I can't see.

[Catherine Legg]

Okay.

[Abby Wambach]

It's Chase and Tish and.

[Billie Jean King]

Oh, my gosh, now you know it was all for you. Absolutely.

[Glennon Doyle]

Open it to. I'm thinking. Sit next to you for a minute.

[Abby Wambach]

You are.

[Julie Foudy]

What are you wearing?

[Abby Wambach]

What?

[Catherine Legg]

So bad.

[Billie Jean King]

So bad you're worried about what they're wearing on your.

[Julie Foudy]

Where did you birth it?

[Glennon Doyle]

I special ordered it.

[Julie Foudy]

Yeah. Birthday. Did she have a birthday costume on?

[Abby Wambach]

Yeah, but it's not right. I don't know if it's suitable for this show.

[Billie Jean King]

In other words, you don't want us to see it.

[Julie Foudy]

Yay.

[Glennon Doyle]

They got you.

[Julie Foudy]

Oh, show the burrito. Show the burrito.

[Abby Wambach]

Burrito. And 46. You know, I've asked, like, six times this. This week.

[Billie Jean King]

What?

[Abby Wambach]

How old I was turning. I kept forgetting.

[Glennon Doyle]

I know.

[Abby Wambach]

Which is.

[Glennon Doyle]

But they brought us candles, so we'll remember.

[Abby Wambach]

Yeah. Okay. I'm feeling very flustered. Feeling very flustered.

[Glennon Doyle]

Look at.

[Abby Wambach]

Look at her shirt.

[Billie Jean King]

I've been looking. This is my life.

[Glennon Doyle]

The fried wheat for Pride Month. I thought that I would objectify you for the day. This is a picture of abby from the SMBs.

[Abby Wambach]

Nope.

[Julie Foudy]

Lean in a little bit more because you're still cut off. Lean in a little more.

[Billie Jean King]

Stand up, stand up, lean in.

[Abby Wambach]

This is my esg.

[Billie Jean King]

There you go.

[Abby Wambach]

Bodies magazine photo shoot that I'm naked in. There's a vault of naked photos of me somewhere.

[Catherine Legg]

Welcome.

[Julie Foudy]

We're gonna do the 46 things we love about Abby Glennon. Do you want to go first of, like, some of the 46 things you love about Abby?

[Glennon Doyle]

Yes, I do.

[Julie Foudy]

Okay.

[Glennon Doyle]

Okay. I think that So I have seen reruns of all of the things that Abby did in the sports world many times. The highlights, the award ceremonies, the wins, the championships, all the things. And I think that I know she was the best. She was the best at soccer. But the way she is in, in real life is she is always the best person in a room. She's always the most generous with her energy and time. She's always like a sun that everyone wants to be around. She's always the light in the room, and she never uses it to draw attention to herself. She always is lifting up everyone else in the room.

[Catherine Legg]

She.

[Glennon Doyle]

She's like a light that. That everyone's attracted to, but since she points it to other people all the time. And I feel like that's what she was doing in the sports and that's what she does in our family, our entire family. It just. None of our kids are who they are today. If Abby doesn't step into their life exactly when she did, because she had this. And has this insane, honestly, belief in them that they can do things that then they live into. And each of them is living into what Abby believed they could do, and then not only believed it, but day in and day out, did the nitty, gritty, relentless, supportive, annoying things to help them get to the place they are. And then my other thing is that we have this, like, I thought our love story was when we met, because it was pretty cool. And it was kind of like, you

[Catherine Legg]

know, it was awesome.

[Glennon Doyle]

And then, you know, I wrote a book about. We did, like, all the things that was the love story. But then we had, like, eight years of marriage in the last two years, I have had a really hard time, physically, mentally, a really hard time. Just one of those seasons in life that has lasted a while. And Abby has shown up for me in a way that I feel like I have understood love for the first time in my life ever in these last two years. I know now that this part is our love story. Not the first part, this part. And sometimes when I see her,

[Catherine Legg]

just

[Glennon Doyle]

I look at her and it's like day after day after day, and she's still showing up. And she's so patient and she's so loving and she's so relentless. And I think, like, I know that people are always talking about. I know this is a sports show, so I'm not going to cry because I know there's no crying in baseball, etc.

[Abby Wambach]

We cry all the time.

[Billie Jean King]

We cry in sports all the time. Don't worry. Go for It.

[Glennon Doyle]

Okay, great.

[Julie Foudy]

She's like, I have permission.

[Billie Jean King]

Thank you.

[Glennon Doyle]

But sometimes when I look at her and I'm like, I can't believe she's still showing up with her full self, and she never gives up. And it makes me, like, I understand. They're always saying, you know, people in sports will be CEOs, or they'll. There's the most CEOs that come out of women's sports, and, like, that's great. Like, yay, girl bossing. Great. But I also feel like there's something about what you all learn to be in sports that translates to. To love so beautifully. It's like, the way Abby shows up for me reminds me of, like, all the things I see you guys champion in terms of, like, never giving up on each other and believing in each other and staying close and showing up and believing and believing and believing and never leaving anybody behind. I just think there's something I. About what people learn in sports and what Abby brought to sports that she shows up every day in our family with. And I love you so much.

[Abby Wambach]

I love you so much. Thanks for sharing all of that.

[Glennon Doyle]

I'm sorry it wasn't 46 things, but it was 46 minutes.

[Billie Jean King]

It was beautiful. Oh, my God.

[Julie Foudy]

I got teary.

[Billie Jean King]

I know. You get teary, and then you start thinking, God, show up. Abby does show up, and mentally and emotionally. Yes, she does.

[Glennon Doyle]

And you too. You too. What you guys have built together and what the joy that she has and the way she talks about you two. I'm just so grateful for you guys, too.

[Catherine Legg]

You're just doing well.

[Billie Jean King]

Thank you. But we're lucky to have you.

[Julie Foudy]

Do you want to hear some of the things we have as our 46? Stay here.

[Abby Wambach]

Please do not take 40. 46, please.

[Julie Foudy]

We're not gonna do all 46.

[Billie Jean King]

We could send them to her.

[Julie Foudy]

We're gonna list them, though, on social media, because they have to. Good. This is from the entire team as well. Abby, the podcast team. So do you know what the number one thing they put on there that they love most about Abby?

[Abby Wambach]

What?

[Julie Foudy]

She is undefeated in minute to win it.

[Billie Jean King]

Go peloton.

[Glennon Doyle]

She's so happy.

[Julie Foudy]

I was like, do we love that about Abby?

[Billie Jean King]

And we've had to watch that. That is hard for me. It's hard to watch one on the list.

[Julie Foudy]

Okay.

[Billie Jean King]

Are you all right, Jules?

[Julie Foudy]

I'm okay about it.

[Billie Jean King]

Okay.

[Julie Foudy]

Here's some other things. Her ongoing desire to celebrate and lift others around her.

[Billie Jean King]

That's what Glennon said. Really? Yep.

[Julie Foudy]

Her thoughtfulness when others are Hurting or in need. To Glennon's point, her childlike wonder when our guests share cool smile stuff, which I love, her, like, face just lights up. This is. This is one that I am so grateful for. How you stand up for what's right and give voices to those who don't have one.

[Billie Jean King]

Totally.

[Julie Foudy]

And like, I say, like you, I always tell people, like, Abby makes me braver to speak up about things that in the past, I probably wouldn't have had the courage to speak up about. But Abby gives me that bravery, so thank you for that. Your infatuation with Love island, that is something I love

[Abby Wambach]

shamelessly.

[Julie Foudy]

Love island is the show.

[Billie Jean King]

Love island, right? Oh, God. That's your. Okay, never mind. Yeah, exactly.

[Julie Foudy]

Okay. Your rsk. Do you know what RSK stands for?

[Abby Wambach]

No.

[Julie Foudy]

Random Shit Knowledge of Everything.

[Billie Jean King]

Not Random Shit Knowledge.

[Julie Foudy]

Oh, my God. I was in ER with Declan the other day, and he was getting stitches for a big gashy hat. And Abby is talking to me about the stitch type that he should.

[Billie Jean King]

That he should get. She knows a lot.

[Abby Wambach]

Been there, done that, how they should stitch it.

[Billie Jean King]

And I was like, but she is life. She is a lifelong learner. Don't you think that right goes with that?

[Julie Foudy]

Okay, Kinger, what are some of your favorite.

[Billie Jean King]

No, you guys have taken most of them, the ones I like. But she is very generous. I thought the generosity, and I was thinking with her time, her money, her smiles, she's very present, and she's very generous at the same time.

[Catherine Legg]

Yeah.

[Billie Jean King]

I love that about her. Yeah. But you guys have.

[Catherine Legg]

And.

[Billie Jean King]

And she does like to problem solve, which is such a jock. I love it.

[Julie Foudy]

She can solve every problem.

[Billie Jean King]

She's always thinking, how can I solve this? I love it. Yeah.

[Julie Foudy]

Oh, Glennon, you'll like this one. The team put this one in there. She's the only one in her house who keeps the kitchen sink clean. Is that true?

[Glennon Doyle]

You talk about the sink here, too. It's just.

[Abby Wambach]

I do.

[Billie Jean King]

Is that true?

[Glennon Doyle]

Yeah, it's true. But I just feel as if If I clean 90% of the thing, can I just leave 10%? I feel like you could come to the sink and think, glass half empty. You could say, the sink is dirty, or you could say, oh, the counter's clean. I'll just do the sink real quick. No glass half full.

[Abby Wambach]

No. It's either it's done done. It's not just like, see, it's got to be done done. It's not done.

[Billie Jean King]

That's another thing you learn in sports. It's either done or it Isn't. You can't half. There's no half measures.

[Glennon Doyle]

Yeah, but, Billy, I wasn't an athlete. I was a poet. And we don't finish things all the time.

[Julie Foudy]

Exactly.

[Billie Jean King]

I get it. I'm not.

[Abby Wambach]

You have what's called an ellipse. Gypsies, dot, dot, dot.

[Billie Jean King]

Exactly.

[Abby Wambach]

That's what.

[Billie Jean King]

That's knowledge. We didn't have dot.

[Julie Foudy]

Oh, that's.

[Billie Jean King]

I just think it's great.

[Julie Foudy]

Well, you got your. You got your breakfast burrito, which I know means a lot to you. Hopefully you got some socks, because there's no way.

[Billie Jean King]

Oh, so you like socks?

[Julie Foudy]

Did you?

[Catherine Legg]

Yes.

[Julie Foudy]

Oh, is that in the bag?

[Billie Jean King]

Does she like. Does Abby like socks?

[Julie Foudy]

She complains all the time about the kids stealing her socks.

[Abby Wambach]

I have to go into their room and steal my shit back.

[Julie Foudy]

She steals it back. That's what I do all the time in Izzy's drawer. I'm like, who's got all my sports bras?

[Abby Wambach]

Who got these? Who got these for me?

[Catherine Legg]

Your team?

[Glennon Doyle]

Should I. Yes.

[Abby Wambach]

You guys, I love stance socks.

[Julie Foudy]

I know. We know. I'm gonna wear these. We know all.

[Abby Wambach]

How did you know You. I like stances. Nobody knows that about me. Not even my family.

[Julie Foudy]

She likes. You know, they're a s. Mini company.

[Billie Jean King]

Okay, I'm sorry. Tell me again.

[Julie Foudy]

They're a San Clemente company. Stance socks. Yeah.

[Abby Wambach]

Oh, okay. I love socks.

[Julie Foudy]

That's good.

[Abby Wambach]

Give me some socks and underwear every birthday. I know, and I'm happy. Do. Do I open this now also?

[Glennon Doyle]

I think so. I think that's from.

[Julie Foudy]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the 46 things, I think.

[Abby Wambach]

Okay, I'll read it later.

[Billie Jean King]

No, there's a lot, but they're great. And every. There was a real team. Yeah, but it was a team effort.

[Abby Wambach]

Look at how wonderful I am, everybody. Wait, you guys, this is so sweet.

[Julie Foudy]

I think Glennon should stay for the outro so she can do our ooza. Ooza?

[Billie Jean King]

Yeah, she's good at the ooza. She's such a jock at heart, right?

[Catherine Legg]

No, you are.

[Billie Jean King]

She don't have a choice anymore.

[Abby Wambach]

Every recording Monday. All right.

[Julie Foudy]

And I'm gonna change the outro up because Glennon's here and she goes. Gives Good. Such great call to actions to her listeners. So I'm changing it up a little bit, because party people, we usually say, like, oh, welcome. You know, subscribe to the YouTube channel. I'm telling you that I hope with everything in me because we have so much love for what we do that you understand by subscribing to the podcast and the YouTube channel and all the things it tells all the people that care about all those things. So the companies, the corporations, the people that support all that, we're doing that actually, everyone does watch women's sports and that it is a cool thing. And there's so many people that are supporting this space by showing them those numbers. So if you would just take a second to do just that. It makes a world of difference to us. It makes a world of difference to the women's sports space by showing your support and love for this show. And I learned all of that from Glennon, who is sitting right there, and the importance of that abs.

[Glennon Doyle]

A good way to show support and love.

[Abby Wambach]

Yeah, that's it. I also think, you know, first of all, thank you guys for all of this. This is silly. You all are silly.

[Billie Jean King]

We.

[Abby Wambach]

I also just love feedback, like, as an athlete. So we just should be doing what we should be doing more on the show. Like, look at. This is a fun little guest that we've had. I did not expect you to come on right now with this great shirt.

[Billie Jean King]

Bonus, bonus.

[Julie Foudy]

Go to YouTube if you want to see.

[Glennon Doyle]

You guys. The kids were like, mom, I'm not going down with you if you wear that shirt.

[Julie Foudy]

Thank you, Glennon, for repping.

[Billie Jean King]

Yeah, thank you so much.

[Abby Wambach]

But honestly, I love you guys so much. And I was thinking this morning before I came down and I was looking at myself in the mirror, and I was like, oh, my God, I get to go hang out with my friends for, like, a few hours. This is so fun.

[Julie Foudy]

That's how I feel every single time.

[Abby Wambach]

So grateful. I'm so grateful. Also, we have a new substack. Do you know this?

[Julie Foudy]

I do know this.

[Glennon Doyle]

This is exciting.

[Abby Wambach]

What are you guys doing there this weekend? Jules And Billy Glennon is like, I want to watch some sports. And I was like, oh, let me go to my substack and see what's on. Sports.

[Glennon Doyle]

We watched all the soccer games, and we watched a WNBA game.

[Julie Foudy]

We watched the Sparks. Look at you guys.

[Glennon Doyle]

And the Suns won by three points. It's really intense.

[Abby Wambach]

Yeah.

[Glennon Doyle]

Basketball is. Wow. Very stressful. It's like EMD contact.

[Billie Jean King]

I love basketball, man.

[Catherine Legg]

Yeah.

[Billie Jean King]

I love them all. I love everything I watch. You love it.

[Abby Wambach]

Welcome to the party. We have a substack. You can find out.

[Billie Jean King]

Here we go.

[Abby Wambach]

Jazz. All the jazz.

[Julie Foudy]

So fun. So fun.

[Abby Wambach]

Sweetheart.

[Glennon Doyle]

Yes.

[Abby Wambach]

Do you want to bring it in? And we're gonna do usa, usa. USA on three.

[Billie Jean King]

Oh, look at her. She knows exactly what she's doing?

[Glennon Doyle]

Of course I do.

[Abby Wambach]

Okay, do you know how it works? You say 1, 2, 3. So you say Oosa on 3 and then you count it in.

[Glennon Doyle]

Okay, wait, I'm saying I'm doing it. I'm saying USA on three. One, two, three. Oh, my God, the pressure.

[Abby Wambach]

Okay, hold on.

[Glennon Doyle]

Dude, in the mic on three. One, two, three. Okay. USA on three. One, two, three.

[Julie Foudy]

Oh, my gosh. That might have been our best one on.

[Billie Jean King]

I think it's the quickest one.

[Julie Foudy]

I love how you went into your athlete voice

[Billie Jean King]

and dropped.

[Abby Wambach]

Welcome to the Party is an independent production brought to you by Treat Media. Treat Media makes art for humans who want to stay human. Initial Digital is our production partner and you can also watch our full conversations on the welcome to the party YouTube channel and follow us at welcome to the Party show on Instagram and TikTok. Thanks for listening.