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But I found out that he had over 60 victims, I think most of them at the YMCA. And you could probably double that, you know, if you wanted to be accurate, you know, because I'm sure there was a bunch that, that were meaningless to him. Maybe a one night stand or something with a kid that just quit the Y and that's the end of it. But 60, long term, you know, I'm going to wreck your life. Relationships with kids, with boys. So at some point, he would have talked forever. I finally, you know, I looked at my watch and said, I got to go, man. I got to fly back. I got to get some rest. And, you know, I was like frazzled and I was in another world getting this information. So I drove back and did my trip. About a couple weeks later, with my wife in tow, we went back and she stayed in Phoenix. But I drove up to Sun City, sat down with him again for another four or five hours, and he just couldn't stop. Just couldn't stop. And my questions were much more directed this time, much more valuable to be used as evidence. Not just generic. I was asking him questions and Asking him names and asking him details. Right, right. A lot more details. Yeah, sure. Well, that, that, that came to an end. My wife is Twig, by the way. That's her nickname. Twig. And I went back, flew back to Florida, and I talked to David and I said, you know, you're interested? You want to. You want to meet with him? He said, yeah, I do. You know, for his own mental health and therapy and whatever, he felt it was important. So we went, I told Nolan that I had a surprise for him. And he was like a kid in a candy store. He was like, oh, boy, I can't. Oh, great. Awesome. You know, he thinks that we're gonna, you know, we're trying to be pals or whatever. So I picked David up at Tampa. No, no, that was a different. I picked him up at Phoenix Airport and we drove up there and we sat down and he was phenomenal. The quest. He was like. He was like one of these TV shows that you see with the police. Good Cop Get Bad Cop. He was like, right, right here on Nolan. And he was just, well, what about this? What about that? And Nolan actually said in his comments, boy, you're very direct. And I'm thinking, man, home run, that the evidence you're getting is just incredible. There's no way they could deny this. He's telling us what he did. He's admitting it. And he said to me something that just described me to a T when I was a little boy. And I was like, yep, yep. Anyway, the next day we went back and he took us to a swimming pool. And he's strutting around like he's a peacock and like we're his little toys or what have you. And, you know, we're in our 50s now. He was pushing 80. He drew us a map of the Y and all the different areas of the Y. He was in charge of the whole thing. He had keys to everything. He was the boss. He was the aquatics director. And like a peacock. He was so proud. And that was it with Nolan. We got what we wanted. Yeah. We didn't bother him. We didn't. We didn't threaten him. Arizona is a one party state, which means that if you have an interest and you want to record somebody, you can do it. Other states are two party, right? If I want to record you, I have to get your permission to make it legal, to make it usable in court. Right? Okay. So we got what we needed from him. We have it all. It's incredible. I called the lawyer, I said, dude, we have evidence. And he was thrilled because it was all circumstantial before that. Well, I decide, you know what, going to look up Lampy, I'm going to find out where he lives and I'm going to go knock on his door. Why not? He lived in New Port Richey. He lives in Newport. If he's still alive, he lives in Newport Richey, Florida, which is about three hours from me, right across the state. He's on the west coast, I'm on the east coast. So I drove over there, I borrowed my son's camera, I drove over there and I set up a stakeout outside his house. I mean, I don't know what a stakeout is going to do after 50 years. But it was garbage day and the folks were starting to wheel their garbage out. So I decided, oh, okay, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go get my windows tinted and then I'm gonna buy some garbage bags and some gloves and I'm gonna take his garbage. And so I get my windows tinted. Took a couple hours, got the bags, went back. By the time I went back, the garbage was picked up, it was gone. And it was a lame idea anyway because what purpose would it serve? So after sitting there after dark another hour or two, I decided, you know what, this is useless. So I went home. I didn't plan on knocking on his door yet, so I went home. Wasted day. About a week later I went back and this time I knocked on his door and he answered the door and I recognized him right away. He's still just big, fat, out of shape, crew cut, pathetic. And he kind of opened the screen door and I walked in and I'm in his house and it looks like a shrine to Elvis Presley. There's, you know, plates, there's his shower curtain, was even Elvis Presley. It was ridiculous. It was absolutely ridiculous. I mean, just, he had statues. He had. So people would have pictures of like their family, right? He had a picture of Elvis Presley, you know, on the wall singing or something. Just crazy. So I sat down with him and he was way. I don't think he's a sociopath. He's just a pedophile. Where Nolan was a full blown. Yeah, nut. So I sat down with him and I had, I didn't tell him, but I had my recorder going, which could be a problem because Florida is a two party state, right? But he's talking and he's just talking about how he taught driver's ed and how he helped to register kids for preschool and, and this kind of stuff. And it's. It's really bothering me that he's. That he's been around kids and stuff. So he starts talking about, you know, he's reminiscing about the. The fun he had, the glory days of his up at Huntington YMCA and stuff. And he. He. He started talking about a time when he took. He said, oh, yeah, I took this boy, and this boy, he. He said, their names. I just don't want to use their names now. And Brian. And I paused for a second and I looked at him and I said, yeah, that's me. And then he realized. He realized, you know, what just happened? And he kind of. He. He took a. A moment and then he. He said to me, I'm sorry. He just like a very low, I'm sorry. So he knew what he did was wrong. He knew he was on a different level. He was still a creep, he was still a scumbag, but he. He was on a different level. He wasn't insane. Yeah, he was just wicked. And then I. I kind of got the sense that. That he was getting a little bit uncomfortable, and I didn't want to ruin my future with him. So. So I just said, you know what? I'm visiting with you. And. And he's in terrible shape. His feet are terrible. And I said to him, as an in for the next time, I said, you know, I bought a foot massage machine at Patrick Air Force Base a little while ago, and it seems to really work. I could bring it over. You could maybe. Maybe it'll help out your feet. He goes, yeah, yeah, that would be great. Okay. All right. I shook his hand. I said, so long. And about a week later, David. I mentioned to David, I said, do you want to sit in front of him? And he jumped on. He said, yeah, you know, this is all for his mental health and his process, David. So he said, yeah. So I picked him up at the Tampa airport. We came up with a plan. I said, I'm gonna go to the door with this foot massager. He's gonna let me in, and I'll be inside, and then wait a few minutes, and then you come to the door. And then when he comes to the door, just open the door and come in. If we go together, he might just slam the door, and then we're in a whole different situation. So it worked like a charm. I'm in there, I'm pretending to set up this foot massager. Ding dong. And then in comes David. Now we sit down. And now we're like, on a different. We're treating him a little different. We're not mean, but we're firm. And I told him, I said, listen, here's the situation. Florida is a two party state. We need your permission, we need your permission to record you. If you give us your permission, we're going to get what we need. We know a lot. You don't know what we know. But we know a lot. And we just want to find out some more. We just want a few more details. If you give us your permission, we'll probably go away. You'll never see us again. If you don't, we're going to leave and we're going to put you on the lawsuit and you're going to have to take, you're going to have to bring yourself up to New York, get a lawyer, and you're going to have to testify and you're going to be going to court and you'll probably be named in the lawsuit. So it's your call. And he agreed. He said, okay, you can, you can record me. I'll answer questions honestly and you can, you can record me. And then I said in this. Other stipulations too. From this point forward, you don't work with children anymore. Your days of being a driver's ed person are over. And you're not helping these little kids. You're not pretending to help these little kids register for preschool or kindergarten or whatever you're doing. That's over because he had a newspaper article that, you know, oh, look what I'm doing. And you call that lady and you tell her you're not doing it anymore. That's it. And I'm going to check. And if I find you're doing it, I'm going right to the law and to the papers or whatever, but you're gonna feel it. And he agreed. So we sat down a couple hours and we asked him. Like I said, David was like a master. I was sitting back like, wow, this is good.
