From Med Student to Porn Star

Summary

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Episode: From Med Student to Porn Star
Host: Devorah Roloff
Guest: Joey Gray
Date: September 8, 2025

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Overview

In this episode, Devorah Roloff sits down with Joey Gray, an adult film performer signed with OC Modeling, as he candidly unpacks his unconventional journey from a quiet, academically driven med student and nurse to becoming a porn star. Joey discusses navigating identity, entering the adult industry, overcoming self-doubt, and the realities (and stigmas) of modern porn. The conversation is raw, personal, and brutally honest, offering insights rarely heard from within the industry.

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Early Life & Academic Path

[00:01 – 04:29] Childhood and Career Hopes

• Joey grew up in Connecticut and then upstate New York, describing his childhood as “typical” with a strong focus on gaming and few social exploits.
• Initially aspired to be a mathematician in high school, despite claiming to not enjoy math:

  “It was crazy. And I never cared for math. But I just remember in high school, towards the end, I was like, oh, I really want to do this.” (Joey, 02:42)

• Majored in mathematics in college, later switching to biology.
• Wasn’t active in dating or partying and focused primarily on studies and hobbies ("Just quiet… did a lot of nerdy things," 03:32).

[04:29 – 07:08] Journey into Medicine and Nursing

• After college, Joey was uncertain about his future:

  “I didn’t know what to do. So this is where the adult industry actually came in first thing.” (Joey, 04:38)

• Attempts medical school but doesn’t finish and pivots to a master’s in nursing, later becoming a nurse practitioner during the pandemic, although he never felt fulfillment in the role:

  “I didn’t like it at all. I became a nurse practitioner...I just got denied by hospitals...I honestly do not like being a nurse in general." (Joey, 07:11 & 08:33)

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First Contact with the Adult Industry

[05:00 – 07:02] Flirtation with Porn via Craigslist

• While searching Craigslist for regular jobs, Joey stumbles upon an ad for an adult film actor, almost accepts (flight tickets were sent), but ultimately backs out due to uncertainty.

[09:30 – 12:22] Nursing, Burnout, and Edgy Curiosity

• Real disillusionment with healthcare sets in while doing clinicals in New Jersey.
• A coworker mentions Skip the Games (an adult services site); Joey books a dominatrix for an unconventional non-BDSM encounter:

  “I was so bored. I just remember I was playing Halo Infinite and...I met up with a freaking dominatrix” (Joey, 12:02)

• The meeting was nerve-wracking but mostly tame (handcuffs and a blindfold, nothing more).

[14:23 – 17:19] Thresholds: FetLife & First Group Experience

• Encouraged by the dominatrix, he joins FetLife (a kink social platform) and responds to an ad for a gangbang—his first group sexual encounter.
• Despite initial discomfort, he soon enjoys and participates in more events:

  “I felt uncomfortable, but I enjoyed it because she actually could sense that I was really anxious." (Joey, 16:55)

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Stepping into the Industry

[18:40 – 21:31] Building Connections

• Regularly attends group events, befriends an amateur porn producer, attends Exotica (an industry convention), and begins networking with performers and producers.

[28:20 – 32:19] First Shoots & Learning Behind the Camera

• First solo shoot at AVN (the "Oscars of porn" in Las Vegas) is “all right.” Admits to not being a big porn watcher himself.
• Learns production and technical skills working behind the camera. Gains creative satisfaction:

  “I did enjoy filming it, because I was like, how can I make this look really good? How can I make everyone look as good as they possibly can?” (Joey, 33:12 & 33:18)

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Navigating Challenges as a New Performer

[34:06 – 41:54] Nerves, Viagra, and On-Set Realities

• First time being filmed as a performer, he feels extreme nervousness, which even 100mg of Viagra can’t fix until much later:

  "When you're so nervous, so you were so nervous your first time that you couldn't get hard. So you take 100 milligrams of Viagra... it ended up working like six hours freaking later." (36:19 - 39:10)

• Reflects on improving with each shoot:

  “I just kept improving, and I was just learning my body… I’m still learning…” (Joey, 42:00)

[42:00 – 46:43] Going Public & Pseudonym

• Spends about a year deliberating before entering the industry, aware of risks:

  “Once you’re out, you’re out on the Internet. Yeah, that’s it. You have to see, ‘Is this what I really want to do?’” (Joey, 42:00)

• Chooses "Joey Gray" as his stage name, combining his middle name and a nod to Sasha Gray, a famous performer.

[46:43 – 54:18] Building a Platform & More Setbacks

• Details route to producing amateur content and navigating platforms (ManyVids, OnlyFans, LoyalFans).
• Describes technical and emotional challenges, e.g., difficulties performing in group scenes or when conditions aren’t ideal.
• Performs with other male talent for the first time and faces serious discomfort due to his partner's poor hygiene:

  "So, again, like. Again, I really dislike this guy. I think he's absolutely awful again… So, yeah, the scene was like. It was. It was. It was bad.” (Joey, 76:17)

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Life as a Performer: The Personal & Practical

[56:10 – 62:19] Industry Standards, Health, and Routine

• Discusses professional hygiene (testing required every 2 weeks, rectal swabs, health checks).
• Always remains focused on professionalism even when scenes are physically or mentally uncomfortable:

  “Pretty much just remain professional. Yeah, you have to remain professional.” (Joey, 56:21)

• Notes that agency representation opens doors to professional sets, though things start "slow" and building a following takes time.

[63:18 – 69:14] Physical Demands, Mental Game & Routine

• Performing requires stamina, self-awareness, and an ability to manage nerves:

  “If you think about [staying hard] constantly, well, you’re not going to remain hard.” (Joey, 63:54)

• Details personal health regimen: shaves everything below eyebrows, follows a strict (but lately loosened) diet, values leanness for camera.

[70:00 – 71:22] Relationships, Sacrifices, and Mindset

• Candid about the difficulty of relationships for performers:

  “You’re sacrificing a fragment of your soul here… The chances of you having a traditional relationship, it’s very low. I really stand by that.” (Joey, 70:10)

• No desire for relationships currently, keeps it professional on sets.

[80:06 – 85:59] Breaking with Toxic Mentorship

• Describes parting ways with the mentor who introduced him to the industry due to drama and poor decision-making:

  "That's when I broke away with him… I had to get away. And I knew to move farther in this industry, I had to go to Florida. I can’t stay in New Jersey." (Joey, 83:40)

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Finding Agency & Professional Stability

[86:02 – 92:04] Signing with OC Modeling, Professional Goals

• Finds his current agency after vetting for honesty and talent. “I've always...wanted to be on big sets.”
• Agency books him for pro shoots; he continues to develop his brand across platforms and social media.
• Admits to body dysmorphia, but pushes through in order to succeed:

  “I have body dysmorphia. So, like, I...was always conscious, self-conscious about photos of myself, but I'm taking, like, nude photos of myself, and, you know, I send it to him and he submits it.” (Joey, 84:19)

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On Set: Experiences, Challenges, and Pro Tips

[93:09 – 103:50] Set Dynamics, Chemistry, & Tips

• Performing is part-acting, part-improv, but attitude and professionalism are key.
• Navigating communication and personal boundaries on set; establishing rapport with repeat co-stars helps.
• Shares practical advice for new performers:

  “Make sure this is what you want to do...High risk, high reward here...Once you’re out there, you’re out there…” (Joey, 104:04)

• On Viagra: “I would start with the lowest possible dosage of it. I don’t recommend...honestly, I don't recommend it.” (Joey, 104:04)

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Industry Realities: Money, Stigma, and Self-Awareness

[106:44 – 113:36] Income, Social Stigma, and Boundaries

• Income as a nurse is far more stable; building a porn career takes considerable time and side hustles in the beginning.
• Social stigma is present—employers and family don't know, and he is not ready to tell them yet.
• Uses “modeling” or “content creator” as cover for civilian interactions.
• Drama and relationships (even stalkers) are a hazard; Joey remains focused on his work, echoing his mentor’s advice:

  "Do your job and go home." (Joey, 113:36)

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Hygiene, On-Set Surprises, and the Human Side

[124:50 – 132:13] Realities of Porn Sets

• Admissions about personal hygiene, scenes involving menstruation, and awkward requests (feet content).
• Admits to sometimes having to "act" enjoyment for certain kinks.
• Reiterates how crucial cleanliness, professionalism, and adaptability are:

  “You have to remain professional. I’ve seen people who don't shower...if you ever had to eat somebody out and it really stunk or tasted bad...just keep it professional." (130:36/132:13)

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Closing Thoughts & Key Advice

• Joey candidly admits he's still early in his career, focused on learning and growth.
• Remains grounded and realistic about both the potential and the sacrifices:

  “You’re sacrificing a fragment of your soul here...It’s really high risk, high reward here…Make sure this is what you want to do.” (70:10/104:04)

• Continues to chase his original goal of becoming a top male performer and building a sustainable career, while maintaining his integrity and personal boundaries:

  “I will get there. I just keep getting better and I just keep improving my body, my mind, and I’m going to go the distance.” (126:51)

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On being new to the industry:
  “If you could think of, like, Mr. Burns from the Simpsons, this guy looked like Mr. Burns from the Simpsons. Yeah, so. So if you can get through that, you can do anything in this line of work.” (40:42)
• On social stigma:
  “You have to come to grips with reality that the choice is out. Out there. I’m out there. And again, I’ve seen a lot of people want it, like, it's too late.” (120:03)
• On friends and acceptance:
  “Honestly, they were very accepting of it because they had another friend that apparently was in the industry.” (67:52)

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Notable Timestamps

• 14:23 – Joey uses FetLife, attends first gangbang
• 21:01 – AVN Convention in Vegas ("Oscars of Porn")
• 36:14 – First shoot nerves, using Viagra unsuccessfully
• 56:10 – Hygiene, professional standards, and testing procedures
• 70:13 – Reflections on relationship difficulties in the industry
• 83:40 – Moving to Florida, breaking from toxic mentorship
• 104:04 – Advice to new performers: be certain, start slow, have a backup
• 126:51 – Joey’s self-motivation: "I will get there..."

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Final Takeaways

Joey Gray’s route from healthcare to adult entertainment is shaped by introspection, risk-taking, setbacks, and persistence. He remains pragmatic about fame, risk, and the value of authenticity, both in performance and personal life. For curious listeners or those considering a similar path, his story is a testament to the reality that behind every performer is a human being with their own journey, doubts, and hopes.

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Transcript

[Joey Gray]

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[Interviewer]

And at this point, did you have any, like, idea or dreams of like, okay, this is what I want to do when I'm older? Like, it's like, what did you have in mind at that point?

[Joey Gray]

Oh, not at all.

[Interviewer]

Did you. Is this when, like, when you were that age, did you. Were you more set on like, the medical stuff or you still weren't sure yet, even with that direction?

[Joey Gray]

Oh, at that point, I wanted to be a mathematician.

[Interviewer]

Okay.

[Joey Gray]

It was crazy. Crazy. And I never cared for math. But I just remember in high school, towards the end, I was like, oh, I really want to do this. I could have never imagined myself doing something like this right? Ever. Like, it was crazy. And so, yeah, so after high school, I went to college I went to. So, yeah, I majored in mathematics. I changed that to biology. During the course of that. Yeah, I went to some parties, but again, this was far from my mind.

[Interviewer]

Right. And were you dating at this point?

[Joey Gray]

I. I did not date.

[Interviewer]

Okay.

[Joey Gray]

Like, at all.

[Interviewer]

So mainly just stuck to yourself, focused on yourself.

[Joey Gray]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

Okay.

[Joey Gray]

I just pretty much that. So it was. Yeah, just kind of. Just quiet. Just kind of just kept to myself. And again, I just did a lot of nerdy things to this day. Playing Magic, the Gathering, and just. Just again, just hanging out with friends, gaming. And again, I attended some parties, but I never. I never dated.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Joey Gray]

In high school. I never dated in college. Nothing wild, per se, in college. And. Yeah. So after that, you know, worked briefly, and then I decided, you know, to use my college degree and I applied for a master's in nursing. So I. I did that. And, yeah, I became a nurse. And then.

[Interviewer]

And how long did you do that?

[Joey Gray]

How long did I do that for? A couple of years. That's when the pandemic hit.

[Interviewer]

Okay.

[Joey Gray]

I got licensed when it hit and be going back to that actually, before, because I didn't know what to do. When I got my college degree a couple years out, I didn't know what to do. So this is where the adult industry actually came in first thing. So I was going on Craigslist, and I saw this ad, and it was.

[Interviewer]

And this is while you were in med school.

[Joey Gray]

This was so. So this. I forgot to leave out med school. So I was going back. So, you know, med school wasn't for me. So before nursing school, I tried. It wasn't for me. So I left. And then getting to that Craigslist that. So I'm out, right. I don't know. I'm like, what am I going to do? And, you know, again, the nursing was on my mind, but then again, it was a big investment. And then, like, after, like, I was, like, kind of lost, you know, and so I went on Craigslist and I'm just, like, looking, and I see an adult film star needed. And this was in California. I knew, you know, with the ads, they can be fraudulent and everything. So I replied to the ad and I set my picture of my face, and they're like, you're exactly what we're looking for. And immediately.

[Interviewer]

Did they respond? Until they responded.

[Joey Gray]

God, it was like an hour. Okay, an hour. And I saw the flight tickets and everything.

[Interviewer]

Wow.

[Joey Gray]

Yeah. So they were gonna. So this honestly seemed legitimate, but again, I didn't know. Well, maybe not. So, I mean, no, it's, it's hard to remember. It was so. It was like when I was 27, I mean.

[Interviewer]

So, so did you, when you went on Craigslist, were you just looking for like any job or you were specifically looking for jobs in that industry?

[Joey Gray]

No, I was looking for other jobs.

[Interviewer]

Okay. And then that just happened to come up.

[Joey Gray]

It came up. So. Okay, that was. So I ended up not doing it again because again, it was a while back and I just can't recall what the scene entailed and what I was going to be doing. So, you know, I said, yeah, this is crazy.

[Interviewer]

So you didn't end up doing the Craigslist one? The first.

[Joey Gray]

No, I did not. And so that's when I went to nursing school.

[Interviewer]

Got it. And you completed nursing school?

[Joey Gray]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

Became a nurse.

[Joey Gray]

Exactly.

[Interviewer]

Okay. And did you like being a nurse?

[Joey Gray]

I didn't like it at all. I didn't like it at all. I became a nurse practitioner. So after my master's, I did a post masters, became a nurse practitioner. This was during the pandemic. I was. So I went to nursing school in Chicago. I had to go back up to upstate New York because everything was closed down. I, I couldn't stay. So I went back up to my parents and essentially because I did everything in Chicago, I lost everything, all my connections.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Joey Gray]

So that the hospitals were very difficult. Like, I just got denied.

[Interviewer]

And nursing school is not easy to get through.

[Joey Gray]

Yeah. I mean, just for me, because of like the rigor of medical school, I, I know a lot of people were struggling, but I was able to just go right through. And it was, it was great in that regard. Like it was, you know, I was just looking to just make a stable income and just make the safest investment possible. I mean, then you're. And then comparing that to going into the adult industry where, well, that's a high risk, high reward. So I, Yeah, so I did that. And during the pandemic I was like, man, I'm not getting any like hospital jobs. So I work, you know, I worked in nursing homes and I hated it. Like, I just, I honestly do not like being a nurse in general. Be completely honest and right.

[Interviewer]

And you're not going to know until you try.

[Joey Gray]

Exactly. But when you put something into it, a good amount of money in it, and then you do a post masters, you want to keep on doing it. During the pandemic, you know, I was enrolled in nurse practitioner school. I finished that and I was like stuck at my parents house for the most part going, I mean, well, I was employed at a nursing home. And it just was. The hospitals just felt so out of reach because again, just all my networking was in Chicago. So even at that time, I. The industry wasn't on my mind.

[Interviewer]

Okay.

[Joey Gray]

So a big changing point is moving to New Jersey. I had to do my clinicals for a nurse practitioner school in New Jersey. So I went there and something changed. Like, just my whole mindset in terms of, like, just practicing health care. I just really did not like it at all. So I just remember just one night, like, I came back, you know, from my job and like, I'm just, you know, just throughout my life, I haven't really done anything too crazy. I would say I haven't. I played video games. I am just going through the motions, just making, you know, a stable income, choosing the safest way to invest in my future. And then I look at and. And I was. And more or less I just said, you know what? I'm going to do something, you know, completely different, something I wouldn't normally do. So I heard of this site, you know, at work from a coworker. It was. It's a website called Skip the Games.

[Interviewer]

Okay.

[Joey Gray]

So I went on Skip the Games and I saw an ad and it was a dominatrix. It was a dominatrix. And I, you know, you know, inquired and I. I met up with her and again, I wasn't gonna do anything, like, crazy, the whipping.

[Interviewer]

So would she be the dominatrix or is that.

[Joey Gray]

No, she was. Yeah, she was the dominatrix.

[Interviewer]

Okay. So she just was looking for someone that.

[Joey Gray]

Exactly, she was looking for clients.

[Interviewer]

That's. And you heard about this during your job?

[Joey Gray]

Exactly, Someone mentioned it. So I said, oh, okay, I'll go on this site.

[Interviewer]

I do have a quick question, side note. So do you find, like, do you think that there was anything. I guess when you look back throughout life, like, do you feel like you always kind of had an inclination to, I guess, try the things that were more like edgy or on edge? Cause these are more like edgy things. Like, I feel like a lot of people might be nervous to kind of step, especially like the dominatrix world, because that's something completely different as a whole.

[Joey Gray]

Yeah, I guess, like, I had that, like, edgy mindset.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Joey Gray]

Kind of like intermittently showing.

[Interviewer]

Right.

[Joey Gray]

And I acted on it. I was just, again, I was like, so bored. I just remember I was playing. I was playing Halo Infinite and I said. And then that, you know, website came to mind and again, I've went on it and Again, I met up with a freaking dominatrix.

[Interviewer]

Was it the same night? Like, did you find it and then met up with her the same night, or did you have to, like, plan it out?

[Joey Gray]

No, no, I met up with her the same night.

[Interviewer]

Okay. Were you nervous at all?

[Joey Gray]

Yeah, I was freaking, like, almost sweating profusely.

[Interviewer]

All right, so what happened?

[Joey Gray]

So I meet her, and again, like, I knew going into this it's crazy to see a dominatrix but not want to get whipped or anything or do any of those, like, anything like that.

[Interviewer]

You were totally new to it. Like, you didn't have any experience. So this was technically. This was the first kind of like, yeah. Act that you did in any of this kind of.

[Joey Gray]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

Okay.

[Joey Gray]

Yeah, so I just remember, and I don't know how explicit we can get.

[Interviewer]

You can get as explicit as you want.

[Joey Gray]

All right, Whatever.

[Interviewer]

You're comfortable.

[Joey Gray]

All right. So pretty much, you know, I met up with her, and essentially I just got a hand job from her, and that was it. Like, I told her, like, listen, like, nothing's going in my ass. And I point blank told her that. And, you know, she was. She was really cool. You know, I said, like, look, you know, I'm not getting handcuffed. So. So it. I'm completely doing the opposite of what people would do when they see a dominatrix. So, yeah, I said, okay. And she, you know, showed me, like, a magazine. She was like, you know, she was like on the centerfold of a magazine. And then she got quite comfortable with me and just telling me a lot of stuff. And again, we hung out a little bit. I did it a few more times.

[Interviewer]

Okay.

[Joey Gray]

And it was. It was crazy. I mean, even doing something like that, which is. It was insane. And then she mentioned. So, yeah, so I mean, the most we ever did was handcuffs and a blindfold.

[Interviewer]

Okay.

[Joey Gray]

And then again, we just did. We did the same thing, more or less. Then she mentioned FetLife.

[Interviewer]

So what is that?

[Joey Gray]

So it's like a kind of a kinky website because she's like a dominatrix. So she mentioned a few times. She's like, did you make a FetLife account? Did you make it? I was like, no. And again, I. You know, I made one finally. And then I saw an ad, and it was a gang bang, and there was, like, a porn star, you know, heading it. So again, I saw this. I remember seeing that ad for, like, a week. And I said, okay, you know what? Again, I'm playing Halo Infinite. Like, I'm completely bored of this Game. I do not like this game. So. And I'm just, I'm completely bored. And I said, you know what? I'm gonna go to this gang bang. I'm gonna go to it. So first thing I noticed when I went there, I see this, see this, this old guy, like on the couch with this, like this, you know, really good looking girl. And again, this guy did not look like he did like, any like, porn or anything. So I again, I make small talk with him and then I go into the gang bang. So there was like a lot of guys there? Like a lot of people total. Oh, man. I. I think There was like 20 people there.

[Interviewer]

It was all for 20 people for one gang bang.

[Joey Gray]

Yeah. Like, and so, so I'm there and I'm like, man, I. This is crazy. But you know what? I'll give it a try.

[Interviewer]

Were they filming it or.

[Joey Gray]

They weren't filming, so I, I, you know, did it. I was like, I took my clothes off and I again, I made small talk with like, you know, this was like, you know, a porn star. And I guess.

[Interviewer]

Was there only one girl?

[Joey Gray]

There were. There were two, I remember.

[Interviewer]

Okay.

[Joey Gray]

And then I just went ahead and, you know, I was able to perform, like, you know, again, I'm using the word perform now that I'm, you know, actually, you know, really perform. But I was able to do something right. And it was just really awkward.

[Interviewer]

I was gonna say, did you feel uncomfortable at all or did you like. Or did you enjoy it?

[Joey Gray]

I felt uncomfortable, but I enjoyed it because she actually could sense that I was like, really anxious.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Joey Gray]

And then eventually I. I just focused on her and then I. And then that was it. That was that for the most part then I had. I mean, it was a. I. I enjoyed it.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Joey Gray]

I mean, it was absolutely crazy because I went to more.

[Interviewer]

Okay.

[Joey Gray]

So I went to more with same.

[Interviewer]

People or just different groups that you were finding.

[Joey Gray]

It was mostly the same people. So I went to more. And it was again that. So the person I met, again, I talked with this guy more and more and I learned that he had a. He was running an amateur porn site. And if you look at the guy, you wouldn't be able to tell that he ran an amateur porn site. So I ended up befriending him. Like, we went out a lot and we talked a lot and like, just the whole adult industry, really, like, I was very interested at that point. Um, I would be going to those gang gangs. People said, oh, you know, you could be like a performer. And so. Yeah. But Then I grew, like, I just. I. No longer. To be honest, I didn't really want to do them anymore, to be honest. I wanted to do something, you know, on, like, legitimate. Like, on legitimate sets. Like, not this. It was fun, but it just, like, I just really didn't care for it anymore.

[Interviewer]

Right.

[Joey Gray]

I didn't really care much for. For the people I was kind of hanging around, to be honest. Like, we. We had completely. I mean, we're there for a gang bang.

[Interviewer]

But just during all this, were you still working the nursing job?

[Joey Gray]

Yeah, I was. Okay. So I was still like a double life, essentially. Yeah. So it was crazy. So eventually I befriended this guy and he then had me. Eventually I went to my first exotica, which is a. It's a porn convention, and this one was in New Jersey, so it was the biggest one. So I walked around and, like, I met a lot of porn stars within the industry, and I met people that I talk to regularly today. I asked them for, you know, insight advice and. But at that point, I did not decide to, you know, step foot in the industry just yet. I was just, you know, kind of just taking everything in, if you. Then I. Yeah, I mean, that was pretty much it. And I remember again, there was a small gathering with that same. That same group that did the gang bang. So I was with. You know, so again, you know, it was weird. They had, like, a mix of people that weren't in the industry and people that were in the industry. It was very weird. But that was at that exotica. So I was just walking around then. I liked it a lot. So I went to another exotica, and again, it was smaller. This one was in D.C. and I walked around and I. I met some other people that. Well, they were all in the industry pretty much at this point, and. But I. I talked to some producers. Now I was talking to some producers, some that just were on amateur sets. And, you know, again, I didn't step foot in the industry right then and there. Then, crazy enough, I went to avn, which is pretty much the Oscars of porn.

[Interviewer]

Okay, so where was that?

[Joey Gray]

That was in Vegas. So I decided to go to Vegas and I. Oscars of porn.

[Interviewer]

I've never heard of that.

[Joey Gray]

Adult? Yeah, adult video.

[Interviewer]

Was it a big event?

[Joey Gray]

It was. It was big. It was big. It wasn't as big as New Jersey exotica, like, you know, the first convention I met, but it was. It was. It was pretty big, I would say. So I went around and, you know, I saw familiar faces and I did my. And that's when I did my first shoot.

[Interviewer]

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[Joey Gray]

I did my first shoot there and it was all right. I mean it wasn't.

[Interviewer]

Was it nerve wracking?

[Joey Gray]

No, it was just me, her and we just had a camera set up and that was it.

[Interviewer]

So. And you guys were in control of the camera?

[Joey Gray]

It was exactly.

[Interviewer]

Okay, so it wasn't like a team?

[Joey Gray]

No, it wasn't a team. Just me and her. And we set the camera up and again, it was all right. You know, I didn't even post that.

[Interviewer]

Okay, quick question.

[Joey Gray]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

Throughout your life, were you like a big porn watcher?

[Joey Gray]

Like not so much. There would be periods, like, kind of. But for the most part, not really.

[Interviewer]

Okay.

[Joey Gray]

But, you know, actually doing it for the first time, like, I mean, like I said, it went all. It was all right, the shoot.

[Interviewer]

So when you. With this first girl that you did, like, the shoot with, did you. When you're, like, having sex with them, do you feel any sort of connection or. It's. It's like just be like, just.

[Joey Gray]

Oh, okay. So that's a good question. So I've never felt a. I felt a connection, like, once.

[Interviewer]

Okay.

[Joey Gray]

With one girl. And so. So, yeah, it could happen, totally.

[Interviewer]

Right.

[Joey Gray]

But. But yeah, you got to be careful with that because.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Joey Gray]

You know, because. Because I've seen it. I've seen people who do go on set and, you know, they. They tell me, like, you know, yeah, I'm, like, into her, but so again, it. It happens, right. To me, personally, it happened once, and actually I'm. More than once. But then I performed with her again, and I didn't have those feelings. It's weird. They kind of, like, wane.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Joey Gray]

Come and go, if you will, after.

[Interviewer]

Any of these, you know, times that you've had to perform, I guess, for camera. Do you ever find yourself getting, like, post not clarity of like. Or, like, getting grossed out or anything? Or. It's just kind of like, becomes like, second nature.

[Joey Gray]

It's second nature at that point. Like, I just, like, want to shoot again. It's crazy. Like, it's insane. But going back to, like, my first shoot. Yeah, I didn't. I didn't want to. To be honest. Like, I just. I didn't think it was. It was all right. It. In a way, it was kind of like. I think I. My goals were a little bit too high for that. Let's just put it at that. But this was, you know, at. This was at avn. And again, it was. It was. You know, out of all the conventions, I like that one the most by far. Because I was already thinking about going back the following year, which I. Which I did next year. So. So this is it. So finally, again, I'm talking to this guy and we're, like, going out, we're eating. You know, he's, you know, sharing quite a bit with me. And, you know, the months go on, and now I'm behind the camera. So now, you know, we're. I'm. I'm. You know, it's crazy. I remember the first time I was like, I thought I did a good job, but apparently not, um, not so great. But I definitely Learned in terms of just how to get, you know, everyone centered, all the action centered, and really making use of the lighting and.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. So at this point, like, you were able to sometimes perform for the camera, but then also, like, basically produce behind the camera.

[Joey Gray]

Yeah, I mean, more or less I was behind the camera more than I was performing.

[Interviewer]

Okay.

[Joey Gray]

And, yeah, I mean, I. I did some. I performed in front of the camera, but it was like. It wasn't a whole lot, to be honest, during that stretch of time.

[Interviewer]

Okay.

[Joey Gray]

I was really behind the camera. That's.

[Interviewer]

Now when you're filming it, are you, like, getting turned on?

[Joey Gray]

I mean. Yeah. By the. By the girl at that time, obviously.

[Interviewer]

Right.

[Joey Gray]

But.

[Interviewer]

But, like, as time has gone on, have you kind of, like, once again, it just kind of becomes like, a job where you just.

[Joey Gray]

Yeah, more or less. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes.

[Interviewer]

Because I feel like if you threw, like, a random guy in there, he'd probably get turned on, so it would be like, as if he was just watching porn.

[Joey Gray]

Yeah, I mean, I just kind of just film it and. Yeah, and that was it. I.

[Interviewer]

Did you enjoy filming it?

[Joey Gray]

Yeah, I did enjoy filming it because, like, I was like, how can I make this look really good?

[Interviewer]

Yeah, it becomes creative.

[Joey Gray]

Yeah. How can I make everyone look as good as they possibly can?

[Interviewer]

Right.

[Joey Gray]

And. And just getting the best angles and just really making use of my surroundings and the lighting.

[Interviewer]

So this one guy is the one that kind of brought you in to do that, Right. Okay.

[Joey Gray]

Yep. This all started the. The next year. So I went to New Jersey Exotica, and. And he. You know, that was the first time I went behind the camera, like on a set, and it was at his house. It was exciting for me because I was like, I want to, like, you know, I want to perform in front of a camera. And, you know, it was. It was weird, you know, but that exotic is when I said I was going to enter the industry.

[Interviewer]

Okay.

[Joey Gray]

I said, I'm going to enter the industry every. So the following year, I walk around Exotica Edison, and I'm already getting asked to sign on with agencies. An agency, I believe it was like, one, maybe two agencies. I don't remember. People were definitely interested. People were coming up to me asking me to, well, perform. And again, I didn't. So I decided I'm going to just enter the industry. People kept saying I had the look.

[Interviewer]

And so prior to signing with any agencies, were you, like, did you have to put yourself on any sites to kind of get gigs or anything or.

[Joey Gray]

Well, it wasn't getting paid gigs. It was just me just doing. So there's something called collabs, also content trade. So that's when we get equal rights to the content. So that's what I was doing. Okay, my first shoot. So, so I'm just going to go back to my first shoe. So that, that I did like my own production. So again, like the first production I was a part of was behind the camera for his production. So I, again. So I decided to enter the industry, you know, the following year at, you know, this exotica in Edison, New Jersey. I have my first production of my own. It was rocky, like when I. So this was when someone was filming me. So this was the same guy, he was filming me. And you know, my co star is amazing. I'm still great friends with her. She's amazing. I literally ask her for advice and everything. Like she's a veteran, so. But it didn't go as planned. Like he just, him behind the camera. I was, I was nervous like, and I was not taking anything. So he. Again, this is when I took my first Viagra. I took, I took 100 milligrams of Viagra and nothing happened.

[Interviewer]

Nuh, nothing.

[Joey Gray]

And like I had an empty stomach. But when you're so nervous, so you.

[Interviewer]

Were so nervous your first time that you couldn't, you couldn't get hard. So you take 100 milligrams of Viagra.

[Joey Gray]

Well, it's funny that you mentioned it because I did get hard initially. I did get hard, hard, but then he told me to cut. So we cut and then I went completely limp and then I couldn't recover. And then that's where the Viagra came into play. Okay, so I took, Yeah, I took 100 milligrams. He's like, Bite down on the Viagra. It will like, you know, the effects will be, well, quicker. You'll experience the effects quicker. So I, I was like, oh man. Okay, this is crazy. That's like, that's a max dose that you take within 24 hours. But I'm like, well, this is like my first production. And you know, I was like, yeah.

[Interviewer]

Got to get hard.

[Joey Gray]

Yeah, exactly, you do. Because so, so again I couldn't, I, I couldn't. So.

[Interviewer]

And no one wants to play with a worm.

[Joey Gray]

No, no one does. No one. So, so it was like, you know, I was like, I was embarrassed. I was like, I was like, man, this, this, this, this is awful. And so again, you know, we. So again he was behind the camera. And honestly, I no longer talk to this guy, by the way, personally, I, I, I think he's an awful person. I really do. And, and, you know, just, just kind of just going back to that. Just. But, but at the same time, you know, that, like, I was like, with this guy for, like, two years and, but yeah, he was like, you know, kind of saying, oh, this, this looks good. Right? And, and then I'm like, I'm like, this guy, like, knows what he's talking about. He's been doing this for such a long time.

[Interviewer]

Right.

[Joey Gray]

But then again, I'm just going back to that first shoot in terms of what he's telling me. I'm like, you know, maybe there's a better way to go around about these things, to be honest. And I just remember that first, um, again, like, you know, pointers and everything, and, and definitely some were valid, but then again, like, just, just some of the things just, you know, stuck. Yeah, I just think there were way better ways to just put on a better performance. And, and, and yeah, that's, that's what I've been doing, essentially perfecting my craft. But that, but it was definitely a good lesson. Yeah, that first production. Because you know what? I did, I, I, we, we did another one. I did it with the same performer, and I think we shot something. It was a lot better, I could tell you, because, you know, it helped because he wasn't, he wasn't there. Okay, so it's just us and.

[Interviewer]

Well, what happened when the Viagra didn't work?

[Joey Gray]

What happened with the Viagra didn't work? Well, I just. That was it. The shoot was. The shoot was.

[Interviewer]

You couldn't continue?

[Joey Gray]

No, I couldn't continue.

[Interviewer]

And it never ended up working. Like, did you have any.

[Joey Gray]

Oh, it did. It ended up working, like, six hours freaking later. It was kind of funny. I was with a friend and then. Yeah, then it was crazy. It was un. Freaking real. So. Yeah.

[Interviewer]

And how long did that last?

[Joey Gray]

That, that boner lasted? Like, God, early hours of the morning. So we shot this at, like, I think when I took it, it was like, I guess 5pm when I took it. But yeah, it was crazy. So, like, early hours of the morning.

[Interviewer]

Was it painful?

[Joey Gray]

No.

[Interviewer]

Okay.

[Joey Gray]

No, not at all.

[Interviewer]

It was, it was just like, not being able to get so.

[Joey Gray]

Exactly. And I said, like, you know, I know the max dosage within 24 hours, I said. And either way, like, this, this guy's, like, in his 50s. Like, I'm 32, and I'm like, in the end, I honestly like learning my body. Now. I never needed to take, like, that amount that's crazy, because it. I felt, like, desensitized. Like, I didn't feel the effects of it, but kind of did. Like, I felt a little bit lightheaded, and I felt like it was, like, kind of desensitizing me. And. But the second shoot went way better than the first one. And again, I knew I needed to get used to getting filmed.

[Interviewer]

Right.

[Joey Gray]

But again, you know, I. I do think back, and. And him having him, like, filming me actually did wanders, because if you could think of, like, Mr. Burns from the Simpsons, this guy looked like Mr. Burns from the Simpsons. Yeah, so. So if you can get through that, you can do anything in this line of work. I really feel like. So. So I was. Again, I. We. So that was my second. So, yeah, we redid it. And, you know, I actually, you know, have that, you know, online. And it. Yeah, it went very well. I couldn't ask for a better person to perform with. And, yeah, I still talk to her, asked for advice. She's amazing. And. And, yeah, so I. So, yeah, so this all happened like, you know, after Exotica Edison. So I. I officially just entered the industry. At that point. I was doing amateur. I wasn't, you know, any pro shoots, but, you know, that. That. That's a huge stepping stone.

[Interviewer]

So at this point, did you have any thoughts in your mind of, like, what if my parents find out or people that I know?

[Joey Gray]

Yeah, most certainly. I definitely looked at the pros and cons of it. I mean, once you're out, you're out on the Internet. Yeah, that's it. And. And, yeah, you have to see. Is this what I really want to do? This what I really want to do? Because like I said before I did this, I was. I took a year. Like, this was. You know, I thought about this for a year. I was like, yeah, I want to do this, because I think I could do it really well. I think I could really. I think there's so much untapped potential, and I could just really go all the way here and just. I just felt like my confidence just. It's just going up, just. Just increasing. Like, even, like, I guess again, just, you know, I shot. I was shooting quite a bit of amateur scenes, but even, like, during the worst times, like, you know, I was, like, thinking it wasn't as bad as I thought, but, like, I just. I just kept improving, you know, and I was just learning my body, and I still am. But, yeah, I was like, I could go all the way here. I think I can go. I can. I think I could do it. I did that. And then I. And this is the thing. So I did. I did my first. You know, I put something out. Like, that's when I set up my Twitter. And yeah, I just remember, you know, me and him, we. He's like, well, now you're a porn star. I was like. So once that Twitter launched, that was it. And then Joey Gray.

[Interviewer]

And how did you pick a name?

[Joey Gray]

So, you know, I. My middle names. Joseph. So just went with Joey. And then I thought of Sasha Gray, so I just went Gray. And that's. And that's pretty much it. She was the only one. Exactly. She was like, the only one, like, I really knew besides, like, Joanna Angel. Like, so I thought of, like, all these stars that, like. Like, I knew not a whole lot, but then. Yeah. So that. So I just connected the two and then. Yeah. And I think it sounds like it's like, it's very, like, clean and.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, I like it.

[Joey Gray]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Interviewer]

So at this point, did you stop being a nurse?

[Joey Gray]

No, I was still working.

[Interviewer]

Okay.

[Joey Gray]

I was still.

[Interviewer]

So you're juggling both these lives.

[Joey Gray]

Exactly. So I'm juggling both these lives. And I. I just knew because it's just like, it's not going to pay the bills or anything. I just shot, you know, again, I shot an amateur porn scene and I just. I just step foot in, like, that's it. It, like the following. It takes time. Rome wasn't built in a day, and I'm still, like, working on that. And so this is the thing that, like, was depressing. I didn't shoot again. So this happened in December. I didn't shoot again until May.

[Interviewer]

Okay.

[Joey Gray]

So that's like a long time. So again, I was behind the camera helping him shoot. Again. It's where I was in New Jersey. New Jersey is. Is not a good place to be in, like, it's. It's just. It was so hard to just try and do any content trades and like, I. Again, I'm so new. I don't have a whole lot of references.

[Interviewer]

Did you ever consider only fans?

[Joey Gray]

I was considering it at that point. But the thing with only fans is, you know, they've definitely gotten more stringent in terms of, you know, what you can have and what. Yeah, yeah. So I didn't think about that. I was, I. I went. I was thinking of just many vids. That's what I started. And is that a website? Yeah, it's a website. And so, yeah, I went with many of it. That's where I posted my first Production on. And.

[Interviewer]

And is that mainly just for like more views and collabs or are they able to pay you through that site?

[Joey Gray]

Yeah, you get paid through that site. And yeah, so it. So again, like they have, you know, I see a lot of amateur stuff mostly I would say amateur stuff on many of it. That's what people post. So I, you know, did many vids and again, I was very slow in terms of setting up websites. Right now I, I am focused on just. I have a loyal fans, I have an only fans. I have a many vids. I think you really do want to be on as many platforms as possible.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Joey Gray]

So you reach, you know, as much people.

[Interviewer]

Right.

[Joey Gray]

Because people have their preferences at the end of the day. But right now I'm kind of focused on only fans and. And many vids. Again, I'm just. That's it. I'm just focused on just kind of just getting my name out there and just growing and so how do you.

[Interviewer]

Get yourself on stuff like pornhub?

[Joey Gray]

Oh, I would say the easiest doing a pro scene. That's the first time I was on pornhub is doing my first professional shoot.

[Interviewer]

Okay.

[Joey Gray]

So. So yeah, but I do see people on definitely sets that are not as big that are on pornhub. I mean you could just do amateur scenes and.

[Interviewer]

And so it's just preference on where it's getting posted.

[Joey Gray]

Exactly. It's preference. And I think again, being on as many platforms. Platforms as possible to. To really, you know, because again, people have, you know, preferences and someone may like clips for sale more so than many vids and that's where they're gonna buy content from. And so that's what I did. So at first I was very, you know, I was very slow because I again, I had one. I had one production and that was it. And again, I'm still very new. I'm like in my rookie year. So again, you know, I remember I got my first sale and that was awesome. So that was cool. And then. But what was not cool was again, I just remember my second avn. Yep. So I went back to avn. So this was in December, you know, that, you know, I did my first production. I went back in January because AVNs every January. And this time, you know, I was definitely talking more to people. I, you know, definitely I was in the industry now. And now what I needed actually going back, I went to. I went to Exotica dc. Okay. So after Exotica Edison, I went to Exotica dc. And I'm going around, I'm saying You know, I'm a new content creator, right? And I go up to someone and they're like, where's your business card? I said, my business card? And again, I'm talking to again the guy who's been, you know, guiding me through this whole process. And, you know, but I was like, I need a business card. So. So again, it was cool. I definitely made connections during DC Exotica, which was like a month after. So I. Again, I was def. I was getting numbers and everything, and people were interested in shooting within. I did. I was part of a second scene during Chicago Exotica. This was something to learn from, so I did it. It was supposed to be a gang bang, I believe. And this is where I kind of learned the reality that nothing goes as planned. I arrive early. And honestly, you don't want to arrive too early. You want to arrive if it says, like, people said, oh, if it starts at like, 12, arrive at like, you know, 12. And so I arrived there. I'm like, waiting. I'm, like, waiting in front of this building, like, where the hell is everyone? And then I, you know, finally I see them and I notice, like, so pretty much you run out of. They're renting out a venue and, you know, you have a set amount of time. And again, we. We go in there. I'm like, where is everyone? Like, where. So I see two other male performers with me. And, you know, we have such a little amount of time at this point, so we have to shoot this. We all put in money for this. And, you know, so it's tense, and I noticed that it's dimly lit there. And, like, you know, just being behind the camera, you know, just aware of the, you know, lighting and everything, I was like, wow, you know, this is. This is going to be tough. So again, I, you know, before I went, I. I took. I took a Viagra. Yeah, I took like. I took about 60 milligrams of it. And I was like, you know, this. This is enough. Like, do I really need a hundred? No, this is crazy. No, I don't. I was like, well, when I did, I was like, yeah, I freaking do. I was good. I was good. Like 70. I would say. I was good. I was surprising myself. I was like, wow, you know, we're doing all these pictures and it's hard to, like, well, remain hard with your.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, do it.

[Joey Gray]

Getting in these positions and doing the photos. But I just, you know, the two guys were awesome, you know, great friends with one of them. And. Yes. So we do the shoot and then, like, 70% the way through. Sure enough, go soft. So go soft. And then again, I think it's because, again, we're rushing. We don't have a lot of time. Yeah, I'm moving. We're moving from place to place, trying to get, you know, to use the best lining we possibly can. And I really wanted to work with this performer for a while. And again, you know, it was tense, but I kept my composure. I was very calm. Like, things were not. I mean, you're going soft, you know, you're on set like this. This definitely was a test because I knew if I was going to freak out, there's no way I would be able to continue. I would be able to do this. Continue doing this. So anyhow, you know, things. Things didn't go according to, you know, how I wanted it. And. Yeah, I mean, when the thing is, when you don't. I mean, a lot of the time they do fake the commshot. They do fake the cum shot a lot.

[Interviewer]

But, like, how do they fake it?

[Joey Gray]

They use, like, you know, something that has that. That looks like actual calm. I. I don't know, like, the ingredients, per se, but it literally looks like it. And. But for this, you know, just, you know, I was. Again, I'm. When. When you're really anxious, you're not going to get hard. Like, you're not. And. But I was still keeping my calm. I was anxious, but I wasn't, you know, outside. Yeah, you wouldn't. You wouldn't know exactly. You wouldn't. So I was trying to just, you know, do the best I can. So it was, you know, again, like, you're 70% into that. And then. And then that's it. That's it. And then again, I just. I was. I remember apologizing. I was like, oh, man, I'm sorry. I, you know, and, you know, I was getting compliments. I was like, you did. You did it great. You know, I was like. But at the end, like, you just have to, like, you know, I was like, I didn't. I didn't, you know, finish the shoot. You know, it's. Again, I was. I went more so to this convention to shoot with this performer, and I just. I. I felt like I really let myself down. But at the same time, I, you know, took time to reflect on it. And I said, okay, well, I was able to perform in front of a camera. This was different. I think maybe I. Again, this happened a little bit too fast because. Because this was. I hadn't really shot. I've shot so Little. And now you have, like, a really, you know, guy behind very expensive cameraman. And again, I mean, this is. This is what.

[Interviewer]

There's a lot of pressure.

[Joey Gray]

It was. And, yeah, I mean, that was. That. So, again, this was, like, the night before the convention started, so wasn't a good way to start the weekend. And. But again, you know, I said, okay, well, I did some great stuff, I feel, during that shoot, so I think they could salvage something. So, again, I walk around the convention and, you know, again, I. When I met that producer, that. That was great. Definitely felt, like, a lot better. And I said, you know, because I'm like, people are gonna talk. Like, you know, I was. I was pissed. I was, like, really pissed. I couldn't let it go. But, you know, eventually, you know, I let it go. I. I said, damn, I should have took 100 milligrams of Viagra. Damn, I should have, like, have done this. And. But, yeah, I was learning my body. And again, I was like, just. Just the realities of being on set. So that was. That was really big. And so, yeah, so I did that. And again, I had this guy's number, right? And I didn't. You know, I wasn't making use of it at that point because I guess I still was very reluctant, you know, because the thing is, I'm still in New Jersey. New Jersey is, like, really bad. Like, I'm struggling to, you know, try and get other scenes and do, you know, another collab. So eventually, we go to. So I go to my first expos? In Miami. When I had my second production, I had him, you know, the person I've been with, you know, for quite a while at this point, behind the camera. And that went perfectly. Like, she. I'm still friends with her. She's great.

[Interviewer]

And I have a quick question.

[Joey Gray]

Yeah, sure.

[Interviewer]

Have you ever, on any of these sets, have you ever just been, like, really grossed out?

[Joey Gray]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

Okay. What do you do? Close your eyes, hope for the best.

[Joey Gray]

Oh, God. So pretty much just remain professional. Yeah, you have to remain professional.

[Interviewer]

And, you know, just, like, has anyone ever smelled.

[Joey Gray]

Yes. Yes, they have. They don't even shower. Like. Yeah, it's crazy. And I experienced that. It wasn't the greatest, but I was professional.

[Interviewer]

And how many shoots are some of these people doing in a day?

[Joey Gray]

Could be several. Could be several shoots in one day. Yeah, it's.

[Interviewer]

And everybody has to get tested.

[Joey Gray]

Everyone has to get tested.

[Interviewer]

How often?

[Joey Gray]

So two weeks. Every two weeks. You must be tested to shoot. And, you know, that's just the jet that's you know, just how it is. And it's a full panel. You do swabs, you do rectal anal swabs.

[Interviewer]

And, and you only do straight porn.

[Joey Gray]

Yes, okay. Only straight. I specified that. And so. Yeah, so that's. So, Yeah, I forgot to go into that, you know, of course. So industry standards, two weeks. So you have a, you know, 14 day, you know, window. Exactly. So it was, and it was really weird, let me tell you. The swabs were recently introduced. And you know, when you're sticking something up, up your ass, you know, it's, it's, it's weird. Some people stick it a little, you know, they just, you could break it off. But like, first time, I like really shove that up there and, and it's so, so. Yeah, so you're so. Yeah, that was like, I would say that's the first time something went into my. So. So it was so. Yeah, so I do that quite a bit now. Yeah, I don't, I don't like it, but it has to be done. And so, you know, I abide by. I'm very strict when it comes to, you know, testing standards because you have to be. You have to. And again, there's, there's still a risk with this, but to mitigate the risk. Yes. And I always, and you know, always, you know, you, I send my QR code, I look at their QR code, I watch them open the portal to, you know, make sure everything is clear. Because, you know, if you do not do that, you know, well, you're in for some trouble, that's for sure. And, you know, again, you want to mitigate the risk as much as possible.

[Interviewer]

Right.

[Joey Gray]

So, yes, industry standard in general at this point.

[Interviewer]

You didn't stop nursing yet. Right? Like when.

[Joey Gray]

Yeah, okay, I didn't, I didn't stop. I, I wouldn't say, like, I just have my license active right now.

[Interviewer]

Like, when did you, did you, did you stop nursing when you, like, fully went into porn?

[Joey Gray]

No, no, I have it on the side right now because things start out slow and especially when you're new.

[Interviewer]

Right.

[Joey Gray]

So.

[Interviewer]

And that's with anything too.

[Joey Gray]

Exactly.

[Interviewer]

You have to build up anything you do.

[Joey Gray]

Correct. So paid shoot. So I was, you know, again, I have an amazing agent. She's great, and she told me that things are going to start out slow and you definitely want to have something on the side. And again, that's why, you know, I have the nursing there now. If, yeah.

[Interviewer]

Question in nursing, like, if you were, if you were. Right now, you said it's Active. But you're not like working as a nurse, right?

[Joey Gray]

Not currently.

[Interviewer]

So, like, would you be able to do both? Yeah, like if, like if, let's say like a job found out, do you think it would matter?

[Joey Gray]

Yeah. What? Okay, for sure. It's definitely frowned upon. Let's just be realistic, you know, and.

[Interviewer]

But technically, what. It would be up to them if they'd want to hire you.

[Joey Gray]

Correct?

[Interviewer]

Okay.

[Joey Gray]

Yeah. So if they, you know, found out.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. So your family, do they still think that you're just a nurse? Is that what they.

[Joey Gray]

Yeah, they don't know that I'm doing this.

[Interviewer]

But do you think you'd ever tell them?

[Joey Gray]

Yeah, no, I would. Absolutely.

[Interviewer]

You're just not there yet?

[Joey Gray]

I'm not there yet and I. But I will get there. And things are about to move pretty quickly. And again, I made a very careful choice. If I did not sign, like I had to sign with what I perceived as the top agency, like that a male performer could sign on with. And that's what I did because I said, okay, this is going to give me the greatest likelihood of, of really establishing myself as a mainstream talent. So that's what I did. I said if I was not, I had to be able to sign on with a top agency. That was the first thing.

[Interviewer]

And when you sign on to a top agency, like, what are the differences? Like, what does that open the door to? Is that just like more professional productions and more often.

[Joey Gray]

Yes, definitely more professional productions. And the name carries weight, especially I, the one that I'm currently signed to.

[Interviewer]

Okay, so are they getting you a lot more just like shoots and things like that?

[Joey Gray]

Things are, you know, honestly, it's just things start out slow. I'm new, I am building up my following. I just entered the professional scene.

[Interviewer]

But the more you do and the more your name is out there, the more they're going to want you.

[Joey Gray]

Correct. And you know, it's how you conduct yourself on set and perform. But it comes with more scenes. The more scenes you do well, the, the better you.

[Interviewer]

And how many could, technically speaking, like, if you were to get like really, really big, how many could they have you do in a day?

[Joey Gray]

I guess how. It's how many you can handle.

[Interviewer]

Okay.

[Joey Gray]

You need to know your body.

[Interviewer]

Right.

[Joey Gray]

It's. People have asked me that about scenes, but I can't really give a clear cut answer, to be honest. Like, I really surprise myself.

[Interviewer]

Do you need Viagra every time or not now?

[Joey Gray]

No, I. Actually that's a good question. I recently did five shoots in a Row without taking anything.

[Interviewer]

That's a lot.

[Joey Gray]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

And how long do each last, would you say?

[Joey Gray]

Each scene? That was like two hours each scene. There were short scenes, like, on the big sets, like, they tend to go for, like, a lot longer.

[Interviewer]

Two hours each scene. And there was five of them. Yeah, it was a whole day.

[Joey Gray]

It was. No, it was. These were on separate days. These were not on the same day. But. But during those scenes, I honestly, I was like. I was like, I don't know if I could do this, but I did just fine. It was a slow start.

[Interviewer]

Okay.

[Joey Gray]

But I was able to do just fine. But on the bigger sets, you're going to be on set well, and you're going to be there for a longer period of time. So you kind of have to take something. It's going to be very difficult to perform.

[Interviewer]

What would you say are some of the most challenging aspects of being in the porn industry? Do you think it would mainly be just, like, remaining hard and. And that kind of stuff, or is there any, like, mental challenges that you kind of have faced as well?

[Joey Gray]

Oh, I just think, like, just in terms of physique. Is my physique, like, does it look decent on camera? So you, you know, you're in front of all this lighting and you see every perfect imperfection and you're, like, getting filmed in 4K.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Joey Gray]

So you're like, oh, man, I hope I look decent enough.

[Interviewer]

Right. And I think you kind of have to, like, mentally, like, not worry the moment.

[Joey Gray]

Yeah. And also, like, again, like, staying hard, like, you obviously want to stay hard, but you want to try not to think about it. Because if you think about it constantly, well, you're not going to remain hard.

[Interviewer]

Right.

[Joey Gray]

And also just, you know, focusing on finishing coming at the end. Like, if you're so fixated on that, then it's probably your mind's not going to be.

[Interviewer]

Be there.

[Joey Gray]

No, not at all. So you want to, like, kind of just. I'm getting to the point where, again, like, it's like us. It's. It's getting faster in terms of how I, like, shift into another gear. But again, just kind of like, you could have a slow start, but just kind of like just being relaxed, knowing everything's going to fall into place and continuing from there.

[Interviewer]

And then do you have a routine that you kind of follow before every shoot?

[Joey Gray]

Well, I used to exercise, but now I don't do that. I just go into the shoot. I don't eat anything. I don't eat anything. You want to take, like, viagra on an empty stomach.

[Interviewer]

Okay.

[Joey Gray]

I.

[Interviewer]

Do you ever eat, like, during or, like. Like during any breaks or you're just like. Not even.

[Joey Gray]

There's no. I've never been, like. There's been, like, on my first pro scene, there was like, you know, in terms of when we did one cut, you know, that there was no breaks again. You know, I just went right through it, and that's pretty much it. Now. I. I don't really see myself unless it's of eating during a shoot period. Again, I've tried eating like a couple hours. It just. No, I just felt like the effectiveness of the medication just.

[Interviewer]

And then. Are you shaving everything?

[Joey Gray]

Yeah, I shave everything below my eyebrows and. Okay. I really emphasize myself on just like, having that, like, clean appearance. Yeah, exactly. And just. Just meaning, like, you know, just trying to. Just being lean. Just being lean and just, you know, really just putting in the time. Just exercising is important because it really helps with your stamina. Yeah, it helps you just give you better. Just. Just physically and mentally, just.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, I feel like it balances out the lifestyle too, a little bit.

[Joey Gray]

It does. Like, and I see a lot of other performers that don't really exercise much, and I can honestly say when I. I've. It really helps.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Joey Gray]

Yeah. And it makes you perform, like I said, better and. And, yeah, it resonates well with the audience, I think. So. Um, and again, like, I just have, like, this ideal physique that I'm kind of like, you know, reaching towards takes time, but, you know, that's a. That's it. But you want to be. Honestly, you want to be physically and mentally as healthy as possible, because this line of work, it's training.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Joey Gray]

You know, it could be definitely very draining. And you really need to be, again, strong physically and mentally, because things are not going to go as planned on set. And you're gonna have people that. Again, they're. People are gonna get, you know, mad and you gotta just kind of just weather through it. And, you know, most importantly, I like to just, you know, focus on my performer. Fellow performer. And, you know, she, you know, again, like, that positive mindset does so much. Like, if you're. If you come off as negative, they're going to sense that. Even if you try to hide it, they're gonna sense it. And, yeah, it's essentially really it for that.

[Interviewer]

Are there any friendships that you had, like, prior to entering this industry that, like, that you kind of told them about this?

[Joey Gray]

Yep.

[Interviewer]

And what. What were their takes on it?

[Joey Gray]

Honestly, they were very accepting of it because they had another friend that apparently was in the industry.

[Interviewer]

Okay.

[Joey Gray]

So again, I. I mean, I don't speak to them a lot, though. I don't speak. They're in New Jersey and, like.

[Interviewer]

And you're living in LA now?

[Joey Gray]

I'm in Tampa right now. I'm in Sarasota right now. Oh, right, right.

[Interviewer]

Okay. So you're in Florida.

[Joey Gray]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

And then is the. Is there a lot more opportunity out there, would you say?

[Joey Gray]

Yeah, New Jersey was. I could tell you one thing, like, things, if I wanted to, I would not be able to do this in New Jersey. Like, doors are like, have really opened.

[Interviewer]

Like, how many days a week are you filming right now? Or does it just depend.

[Joey Gray]

It's slow. Like, it's slow. I. Right now, I did, like, you know, a scene last week with, again, content trades, collab. So I did that last week. And. But things are, you know, again, they just, you know, I knew it. It's just going to just be slow and it takes time. And, you know, I, again, I just think things are. They're falling into place. Yeah, it just takes time. It's just Rome wasn't built in a day. That's the way I look at it. I see, you know, the following. It. It's going up.

[Interviewer]

Are you able to. For the only fans and stuff, are you able to produce your own content for that, or is that, like, under the agency? Like, they have to have more control?

[Joey Gray]

No, no, no. So I, you know, you know, my. My productions with, you know, my fellow performer.

[Interviewer]

So will you do that when you're not filming, like, more professional shoots?

[Joey Gray]

Exactly, yeah. So you want to, like, do a mix of everything, really, and obviously to bring in as much revenue as possible. But again, like, I really aspire to, you know, just be on big sets. That's like, what I wanted, really, really what I wanted from day one.

[Interviewer]

Are you concerned at all of, like, down the road, if you ever get into a relationship? Do you ever think about that?

[Joey Gray]

Yep. So I honestly stand by it. I've mentioned it to people. I really think doing this, you got to make sure this is what you really want to do because.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, because like you said, it's like the risk and the reward, they're both high.

[Joey Gray]

Well, you're sacrificing a fragment of your soul here, and I strongly stand by that. And the chances of you having a traditional relationship, it's. It's very low. I. I really stand by that. And again, I've spoken to people and they are very, you know, reluctant to Admit that to me or themselves. But I mean, I, I really believe that it's going to be very difficult.

[Interviewer]

Does that upset you at all?

[Joey Gray]

Not so much. It's just like right now, right?

[Interviewer]

Like, it's not where you're focusing right now.

[Joey Gray]

No, no.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Joey Gray]

And I guess the thing is I've never really been in a relationship.

[Interviewer]

So you don't have that, like, desire?

[Joey Gray]

No, not really. But again, things can change and I'm completely aware of that. And again, when you're on set with like, again, I, I, I, I've seen people and they've developed emotions, but I've again, I just kind of just go on set, do what I need to.

[Interviewer]

Do and keep it professional.

[Joey Gray]

Exactly. Always keep it professional. And you know, that's, for the most part, if you can do that again, like, this has been like a little over two years. So again, like, if I, before I got into this, I needed a year. I needed a year to see, like, is this what I really want to do? And again, I, you know, just going back I, To X Biz. Yeah. So X Biz was big. Like, I had my second a production who I'm, again, I'm still great friends with her. And that went very well. That, that shoot went really well. Like, that is one of the best scenes I feel like I, I did. And yeah, so I got, I didn't. That event, it was like a little bit chaotic. It was chaotic with the lines. Like, I never waited online to get a pass that long before. I was in line for like three hours. Like over, I think four hours. And again, I was like, I was, I was a little bit depressed because, like, I was like, man, I haven't had a, I haven't done a scene in a long time. Again, I'm going, so this is like my second scene. And I, I'm concerned, I'm concerned at this point because again, I have not really shot anything. I'm just behind the camera. So. But again, when I did that second scene and things went really well, I was like, yeah, I was feeling really good. So after that we went, I had, I had a third collab after that. It went, it went well. It went well. I'm starting to learn my body. And yeah, funny enough, this is the thing. Okay, now I remember. So I did have a scene before that did not go well. Did not go well. So again, going back, you know, I've been with this guy for like two years and again, personally, I. Looking back at it again, I definitely do not look back fondly on this guy just introduced me to the industry and everything, but I remember doing a scene with him. So this is the first time I did a scene with another male performer. So this is where, you know, you mentioned about personal hygiene and everything. Okay? So this was absolutely disgusting. So, again, like. Again, I really dislike this guy. I think he's absolutely awful again. So anyhow, we do a scene, and I'm looking forward to, you know, working with this scene performer. And it started out well, but again, he went down on her. And let's just say this guy doesn't have the best oral hygiene. Think of Freddy Krueger. There you go. So now. So now I have to go down on her, right? And. Holy. I lose it completely. And there was no getting it back. So I was like.

[Interviewer]

Like, it just smelled from his breath.

[Joey Gray]

It's just. I was imagining, like, you know, again, just him going down. Like, God. So I. I just. I just. I just said, oh, my God. This is. I do it. I'm like. I'm like. Then. Then I find myself. And I made up an excuse. I said, dude, it's because I'm standing on the mattress. That's why I went completely. I. I swear. So, yeah, so I'm thinking. I'm like, oh, my God, this guy. I just. I can't. I can't. So that's when I. I. And the funny thing about that scene is initially, again, we're talking about, you know, he's supposed to be my, you know, stepfather and my father or whatever. You know, father. And, you know, it's. It was. It had a decent premise, but I really felt like, you know, honestly, the scene would have went a lot better if it was just me and her.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Joey Gray]

Because. Well, then I would have not went. I just, like, it was just really. That's when. That's when I noticed, like, he's. He taught. He gave me some valuable insight. But then I saw a lot of stuff he was telling me that just did not look good. Yeah, it did not look good. I said, you know, I feel I. I really needed this scene. Like, it's been, like, a while. Like, I. I barely have any productions. You know, I. I thought this was gonna be a huge milestone. So, yeah, that scene. So when that happened.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, what ends up happening? So you went soft.

[Joey Gray]

Oh, so I. Yeah, so I went soft. And then. And then shortly thereafter, he goes soft. So I. So, yeah, the scene was like. It was. It was. It was bad because, like, you know, I've been, you know, really putting in the time, just exercising Everything. And it was really, you know, for this, to get ready for this scene, I'm like, yeah, I look, you know, I feel like I look really good in those photos that were, you know. At least we got some good photos, right? Yeah, but, yeah, so I, So anyhow, we just both go limp and. Yeah, I was like, yeah, this, this, this, this. This is awful. This is like. I mean, I don't know what we could salvage. We could salvage a little bit. And so, yeah, that was like.

[Interviewer]

So was this scene just over at that point?

[Joey Gray]

Yeah, it was over. So I just remembered this girl that I met. I'm great friends with her, amazing person. So I said. And then she says. And then she, like, looks at me. She's like, yeah. I was like, yeah, it's. It's pretty much over. So, so anyhow, we do the, you know, post photos and everything, and like, it's, yeah, it was just, it, it didn't go as planned. And again, I just, I, I get it. You have to work, you know, with some people. But, like, I was, I, I honestly felt like if. It was just. I felt like this was a scene that should have been really me and her. And again, brief cameo by him, but hygiene, like, and, and, and that's when I mentioned about. I went into, like, you know, you know, for. I said, you know, dude, like, you know, in terms of, like, you know, oral hygiene, I was like. I was like, maybe you should get an electric toothbrush.

[Interviewer]

And what did he say?

[Joey Gray]

Nothing. He just was like, you know, I don't, you know, I don't have time.

[Interviewer]

You know, and to brush my teeth.

[Joey Gray]

So that, that, truthfully, I, again, I made up something, and, and that was that. So that was. That sucked. And at this point, I was, you know, getting a little pissed at the guy. So now we're getting kind of to current day here. We're going to current day. A lot has happened, so we're going to. We're going to Tampa now. We got a bunch of collabs lined up. So those are content traits. So I, I, I get those collapse. This is where I really begin shooting. Like, August is where I begin, like, really shooting. Some go better than others. This was a lot. This was the first time I did a very long stretch of shoots. So I, you know, did the shoots, and some went better than others. But this is where I really felt like I needed to break away from this guy. Something. Again. He's. Let's just put it like, there's like, he, he was dragging me into a lot of drama, a lot of drama. And the last thing you want to be involved in in this line of work is drama. And I did not want any part of it. But during, you know, I. I just. There was things that were said that again, personally, I thought, you know, I was ready, you know, like, for some specific scenes. He said otherwise, but I didn't like his decision making. I thought it was very. Again, I was getting pulled into drama and it was bad. And I said, you know, this is. This is getting crazy. This is getting insane.

[Interviewer]

Were you able to break away from him?

[Joey Gray]

Yeah, I. Yeah, I'll. I was able to break away, but not at that point. So we go to. So last. So again, we do the shoots, and again, some are better than others. And again, there's this drama that. It's just crazy. Not to mention we have, like, I believe a hurricane coming through at that point that's delaying us. And so what makes matters worse is, you know, the ride home. The ride home is where I really start resenting this person. And, you know, as a friend, I'm really going out of my way. I really do that. And, you know, at the beginning of the podcast, I mentioned, you know, I stand by. I really think this person's an absolutely awful individual. And just, you know, again, like, I remember driving with him. It's like, you know, we get a rental car and, you know, he needs to do things. You know, I'm again getting pulled into this drama. I don't. But at this point, you know, it's just his decision making is just. It's. You know, especially in this line of work, it's just so bad. And again, I have to listen. Well, it was like a 16 hour drive, you know, from Tampa back to New Jersey. And like, I'm driving like. Like, I think I drove, you know, 10 hours. I'm not used to driving like that and just having, like, a backseat driver. And at this point, I was like, yeah, this is like. And I knew I was moving to Florida, which was, you know, that's when I knew, like, I just, like, I'm moving here soon. And then I. I just said, you know what? This is? Like, I feel like something bad, really bad is gonna happen now. I even said. I said, you're opening Pandora's box. Like, and so, you know, so last convention I had with this guy, he did. I mean, some of the stuff he did, I mean, it was bad. It was really, really bad. And I said, this is. This is crazy. Like, I don't want any part of this. So I'm literally in my room. I'm, like, in my room. I have, like, a fruit bowl in my room, like, laying on the bed. There's, like, so much stuff going down. I said, yeah, there's no way I could, you know, that's it. Like, I can't be associated with this guy. Like, this is. This is crazy. And essentially, you know, that. That's when. That's when I broke away with him, really, without getting into any of the specifics, I. I just left. And I was now in the industry kind of just alone. You know, I did call this guy, like a mentor friend for two years, but he's absolutely, again, I. I believe, a terrible person. Like, absolutely awful. And I could go on and on why, but I. I just, again, you know, just irrelevant, omitting the details. I just had to get away. And I knew to move farther in this industry, I had to go to Florida. I can't stay in New Jersey. So a lot of stuff happened. It was like, God, everything was ablaze. Like, I had to tell my friends about, you know, this guy. And, like, I just, you know, word was going around. And then I decided at that point, you know, I got back and it was terrible. Like, I had to make sure everyone got back safe. And then I went back home and I. At that point, I pulled out, you know, that talent manager's card, gave him a call. I mean, I actually had his number. I texted him. I pulled out the card. I was like, oh, yeah, I have this guy's number.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Joey Gray]

So then I text him, and then I said. And then he said, we talk about agencies. I said, yeah, I think that's the next best step. And then again, he's like, I could get you on this pro set. I said, okay, all right, that sounds good. And, you know, I submitted pictures of myself for the first time. Like, I never. I have, like, body dysmorphia. So, like, I, you know, again, like, I'm like, I never. I was always conscious, self conscious about photos of myself, but I'm taking, like, nude photos of myself, and, you know, I send it to him and he submits it. So I'm pretty much just. I'm waiting now, you know, because I know at this time, like, I gotta, like, sign with an agency, a pro set. If I don't do that, then I'm just not gonna continue. It has to be a top agency. So I do that. And, you know, I moved to Tampa. And then I'm like, you know, I'm looking, like, at, you know, who I want to sign with. Really? You know who I want. I'm reaching out, and then I find my current agency. I find this amazing agent, and, you know, she's being so honest with me, and I appreciate the honesty so much, and, you know, just so responsive and everything. And I'm looking at the roster, and these. These, like. These are exceptional, like, talent and talent. So I. I just said, this is a. I'm just gonna sign with them.

[Interviewer]

And they have a lot of people on their.

[Joey Gray]

It seems more not so, like, really exceptional talent on that roster. Like, they're. They won an award, like, and. And they're. They're at, like, the top. And I said, yeah, I mean, this. I'm gonna sign with them.

[Interviewer]

So then how does that work? Do they take a certain percentage of, like, Correct.

[Joey Gray]

Okay, yeah. Commission fee.

[Interviewer]

And are they. I guess I might have already asked this, but then do they have any control over your other platforms? Like, only fans and stuff, or that's all separate?

[Joey Gray]

No, that's separate. They just. They. They book me for professional shoots, and I chose. I made the perfect choice, the way I look at it. And.

[Interviewer]

I'm glad this is the career that's, like, meant for you.

[Joey Gray]

I think I have longevity. Yeah, for sure. I'm in the best shape of my life, and I could certainly perform on camera. Though I'm still very much within my rookie year. I keep getting better and better. And. Yeah, I mean, I. I've been thinking about it. It's now, like, over two years, and my mindset really hasn't. Hasn't changed. I've always. From day one, even when I was with that guy, I said, like, I want to be on big sets. And. And, yeah.

[Interviewer]

So that's your goal right now? Just to keep growing within the industry.

[Joey Gray]

Exactly. And just go on big sets.

[Interviewer]

You want to be, like, a top male porn star.

[Joey Gray]

Exactly.

[Interviewer]

Has it made you view women any differently, would you say?

[Joey Gray]

To be honest, my mindset hasn't really changed in that regard. I just. On set, it's just always to remain professional. And, like, do you think if you.

[Interviewer]

Were gonna have, like, sex outside of being outside of. On these sets?

[Joey Gray]

Right.

[Interviewer]

Do you think it would be hard for you to, like, kind of separate that, or you think you've gotten good at, like, okay, when I'm on set, it's like, this is one version of me, and then offset, it's like a different version?

[Joey Gray]

No, I mean, I've done it. I've done it all set. And it's kind of funny that you say that. Because again, I. Some of the. The way I do things sometimes mirrors, you know, in terms of positions. It's like, I'm on set. It's really weird. But yeah, no, it. It's different. It's different. I'm able to separate it. Yeah, it's weird. I'm probably like one of the most vanilla person performers in the industry.

[Interviewer]

Is there a favorite, like, position or a favorite type of scene that you like, prefer to shoot or are you open to anything?

[Joey Gray]

Well, I mean, I have my limitations. You know, obviously nothing going in my ass.

[Interviewer]

Right.

[Joey Gray]

I do. Like, I think reverse cowgirl looks like the best on film. I really do. And like, that's the thing. Like, a lot of my thumbnails are that on my videos. And. Yeah, I mean, honestly, I'm kind of like, yeah, so I like that. Like, you know, various positions. It's funny because I used to cramp up a lot. I'm not cramping up a lot. Doing. I did some crazy positions, like on. Oh, my first pro shoe going into that. That. That was pretty big. Okay. So, you know, so I. Again, I. I remember talking about arriving early. You don't want to do that. So I come in. I have, you know, my in God We Trust license plate. I go in and, you know, I see the. I see jet skis, like, right? You know, he tells me to pull in and I see jet skis. And I remember those jet skis. Like, you know, those were in a video. He was like some girl like, well, I don't know. Someone was riding the jet skis or something. I just remember him. And like, so I'm like, you know, I'm like 30 minutes early. And he's like, you're early. I was like, yeah, like, I'm here. And then he's like, you're early. I'm like, yeah. And then I was like. And then no one was there. No one was there. And so I'm waiting there and I'm like, yeah, you know what? Maybe I should have just like, came right on time because that would be early. So that just occurred to me. And so again, I. Some waiting. And I'm like, all right, well, I know my coast. You know, I know my co performer. So I go on and I'm like, like, damn. Like, I really hope I could. Then I'm thinking, oh, man, I hope this, like, stuff works that I took. And again, I got. I. I was a little. I was trying not to show it, but I remember I kept saying, okay, okay, okay. I was driving the Guy. Guy was amazing. The producer, and they were amazing. They shot. And I said, you know, it's just gonna take me, you know, a little bit to just get going, but, you know, once I get going, I think we're good. And so, yeah, he was joking. Said I look like Mark Zuckerberg. You know, I'm getting that a lot. I mean, what do you think? Do I look like Mark Zuckerberg?

[Interviewer]

You kind of do.

[Joey Gray]

I know, I know, I know. Yeah. So I. So, yeah, that's. That came up and the lighting was so bright there. It was like, so bright being on a pro set.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Joey Gray]

So then, you know, again, it was like, I didn't want the scene to end, like, and the person I was performing with, like, it. Like, it was. I think we did it. I think we did a good job. I think we did a good job. A really good job. And again, for a first pro scene, I think it went quite well.

[Interviewer]

And so when you get on scene and, like, let's say you don't know the person that you're going to be having sex with, is there something that you, like, do you guys have any sort of, like, communication or, like, warming up to kind of build that chemistry? Like, prior or.

[Joey Gray]

No, you always usually know who you're gonna perform with.

[Interviewer]

But, like, what if you haven't met.

[Joey Gray]

Them yet in person? Yeah, yeah. I mean, I. Yeah, we talked briefly before we shot, and, like, do you.

[Interviewer]

Feel like it's easier to kind of perform with people that you've already shot with?

[Joey Gray]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

Okay.

[Joey Gray]

Yeah. But like I said, like, I've had situations where I've performed with them before, but again, I'm still learning my body in terms of what works and what doesn't work. But. Yeah, but, yeah, if you're with someone new, I mean, it's just like a.

[Interviewer]

New experience as a whole.

[Joey Gray]

Exactly. But, you know, again, like, I, you know, lucked out. It was. I thought it was, you know, we shot a. A great scene and. And, yeah, I mean, I was, you know, again, I was. I was nervous. I was trying to hide it. But it was. It was funny because the scene, like, centers around, like, the male performer. Usually it's the female performer. So I have my. Like, I was, you know, again, I'm getting my feet licked. I'm getting my ass, like, stuff I would, like. Like, I'm not, you know, really into, but it's the other things that I'm into so that, you know, things that, you know, I had to get through that. But then, you know, there were Things that I was into.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Joey Gray]

And, you know, you have to, you know, honestly enjoy. I like being in front of a camera and I like performing and, you know, so just. Just the entire. Just. Just being in front of the camera just. I mean, I just love it. Yeah.

[Interviewer]

And that's all that matters.

[Joey Gray]

Yeah, that's really.

[Interviewer]

And then I know that you said that obviously, like, you work out as far as, like, your diet goes. Like, are you fought? Do you, like, pretty much follow, like, really strict dieting or healthy eating?

[Joey Gray]

Yep, I do. I eat, like, around 2300 calories daily. And, yeah, I really try and focus on, like, my chest and my shoulders. I feel like, just, like, the shoulders especially. They just, like, look. They just look really good on camera. Like, strong shoulders, like a big upper chest. I'm just. That's just what I notice.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Joey Gray]

I just. Behind the camera and everything, I just, you know, that's just my Persona. I just like to be, like, kind of just lean and fit.

[Interviewer]

Right. And so you keep a good diet?

[Joey Gray]

Yeah, I do. It's pretty. It's a pretty strict diet, but at the same time, I, you know, definitely let loose. I've been letting loose these past two.

[Interviewer]

Weeks, but eating some snacks.

[Joey Gray]

Yeah, for sure.

[Interviewer]

Like what? Donuts?

[Joey Gray]

Yeah, donuts. Cupcakes. Like. Yeah.

[Interviewer]

I mean, Joey Gray.

[Joey Gray]

Pretty much. Yeah, pretty much. And. And so, yeah, I mean, it's. It's weird, though. I mean, like I said, the lighting makes. Makes the difference. So you, you know, you can look.

[Interviewer]

You can see that cupcake in there.

[Joey Gray]

You could. You could. No, but, you know, you could look like it's amazing what, you know, lighting does. Like, you could look absolutely flawless or.

[Interviewer]

You could look like pretty much.

[Joey Gray]

And I didn't know that at first.

[Interviewer]

Right.

[Joey Gray]

Had no clue because, you know, first time when I was doing it, I was using my. Again, huge difference, you know, in terms of the lens you use. The money's all on the lens of the camera usually. And, yeah, I thought what I was shooting with my iPhone camera. Oh, man. You know, I don't really look that great. But again, that's. You know, some people, I. Earlier on, I was fixated on that. Yeah, I was like, you know, I. But once I got over that, I really, you know, enjoyed being in front of the camera.

[Interviewer]

And.

[Joey Gray]

And, yeah, I mean, that's, you know, essentially, really, really, it. I mean, just. I mean, it's just. I've been doing this for a couple of years, but it wasn't until, I mean, you know, you know, having a presence in the Industry a couple of years, but not stepping foot, not really doing anything until late August.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. And then do you notice any effects on your mental health at all or. Not really.

[Joey Gray]

Not really. It hasn't really, it hasn't really changed.

[Interviewer]

Like, it. Okay. Because I know that you mentioned it could be like, draining at times.

[Joey Gray]

Yeah, it's just, you know, I usually just keep to myself and you have some strong personalities that you interact with. And I'm very short and concise with my responses. And you get some wallet, text and, you know, it's a lot to go through. And yeah, I just like getting to the pertinent information, but you have to just be respectful, show the utmost professionalism. So I guess, you know, mentally, you know, that's, you know.

[Interviewer]

And then you said you did, you have made like, good friends within the industry, right?

[Joey Gray]

Yeah. But the thing is about that is, you know, I feel like they were very strong at first, but as time goes on, you know, I feel like, you know, it, it kind of wanes really in strength. I don't, I would say I don't kind of talk to them as much as I did, but I understand, you know, it's that, that's the thing. We're all there to, you know, perform and work and, and yeah, no, I could again, you know, I just, I just entered, I'm just getting in the groove of things and I'm just a very young performer. And again, I went to my, I went to my first, like, I went to a strip club for like the second time. Yeah, like, yeah, like second time in my life. And it wasn't, it was just, it was like a lot of people in the industry. And again, it's like, you know, music's loud, I can't understand what people are saying, so I'm just nodding my hand and smiling. Yeah. You know, so I guess I got to connect with more people that I'm definitely going to see more of. I, I, again, every industry event I go to, I see familiar faces. Like, I, I've seen these people who I've, I've spoken to like many times before. But again, I see people a lot and again, we don't, we don't really talk as much as we did in the past. But again, as I, you know, get, go more and more into this, you know, again, you meet people and, I don't know, you only need a few good friends in life. To be honest, that's the way I think about it. Really.

[Interviewer]

Do you think overall, like, the social stigma around the porn industry like, does that bother you? Do you have any, like, mindsets around that or. Not really. I feel like you said in a way, like, it's frowned upon if that's something you do. I mean, that goes with only fans. It goes with anything.

[Joey Gray]

Yeah, it's frowned. I mean, that's. That's just how it is.

[Interviewer]

But it doesn't bother you at all? You wouldn't say.

[Joey Gray]

Not so much.

[Interviewer]

Okay.

[Joey Gray]

Because.

[Interviewer]

You stick to yourself. Pretty much.

[Joey Gray]

Pretty much. I just stitch myself. I stay away from the drama.

[Interviewer]

Right.

[Joey Gray]

That's the thing.

[Interviewer]

And I feel like there's. The less. The less people that they're already giving an opinion. It doesn't really matter, I guess.

[Joey Gray]

No. And I think every of any opinion holds value, but some opinions are, well, more valuable than others, to be honest.

[Interviewer]

But it's interesting though, because I feel like with the porn industry in general, it's like I, you know, obviously so many people watch porn and, you know, sex is a huge thing in life in general, but I just feel like it's so taboo still. You know, like people don't like talking about it or it makes them uncomfortable or if you do anything sexual as a career, I feel like it's just viewed as wrong.

[Joey Gray]

Yeah. You know, it. Yeah, it does. Like I said, just getting into. I'm sure you're. You've heard of the dark side of the industry with the drugs and everything. Like I said, the first person I met, granted, she wasn't in the industry, but I saw firsthand what drugs do to a person. It's. It's absolutely crazy.

[Interviewer]

Are there a lot of drugs in the porn industry?

[Joey Gray]

Personally, I have not seen anyone like, you know, snort cocaine or anything, but I'm sure it's most definitely. Most definitely is out there. It's out there. I, Like I said, I rarely drink, I do not smoke and. But I. I know, you know, it's out there.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Joey Gray]

But like I said, I've seen. I mean, I've been. I've been to after parties and I see people that are like, I guess not around the best group of people and they're completely plastered and I mean, not a good place to be.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Joey Gray]

And, you know, I think people just want to, you know, belong and so bad that they put themselves in such really, well, bad situations. And, you know, again, like, I don't have to impress anyone other than myself in the end. That's what I always say. But, you know, again, I know if I could impress myself, most likely that. That I'm probably impressing others. Because, so, yeah, that. That's really it when it comes to it. But, yeah, I think a lot of people just want to impress other people so badly that they'll just go with what they say and that's it. I see a lot of people. I've been. I guess you could say I. I've been a little bit around the block, and, you know, they'll just agree with whatever they're saying. And.

[Interviewer]

And I'm sure there's so much more for you to experience and see also, because, like you said, it is still so fresh.

[Joey Gray]

Yep.

[Interviewer]

So it's like, you know, I'm sure there's going to be times that you meet other people that you aren't really fond of or that, you know, I think in any job or position, you're gonna have the. The dark side and then the. The fine and the decent side of it. I think it just depends on, like, you know, the company you keep and who you're around and.

[Joey Gray]

Exactly.

[Interviewer]

All that stuff as well.

[Joey Gray]

Yeah, it's. Again, it's like, there's a lot of fun, but in the end, I mean, you're working, but you could have fun while working.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Joey Gray]

And especially, you know, on set. But. But, yeah, no, I've been. I. I'll be honest, I've been. I've. You know, I've done, like, a collab where it just. We were just going through the motions. That was my first experience. We were going through the motion. So it did. It was like, okay, it's gonna happen. But, yeah, that's essentially it. Again, that was my first time experiencing something. It was like, yeah, very robotic, if you will, and. But, yeah, I mean, more or less, yeah, you're gonna have a lot of fun, but I would just stay away from the drama.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. Well, that kind of leads me into my next question. I was going to ask you, like, do you have any advice for anyone going into this industry other than staying away from the drama? Well, don't take 100 milligrams of Viagra, maybe.

[Joey Gray]

I mean, unless you got to. I mean, honestly, unless you have to. I would start with the lowest possible possible dosage of it. I mean, I don't recommend. Honestly, I don't recommend it. I don't recommend, you know, do what you feel is right. That's it. But. But, yeah, I would just really make sure this is what you want to do. This is really high risk, high reward here. And you. Again, once you're out there, you're out there, and I've seen people who put Themselves out there, and now they want to, well, not be out there anymore. It's too late. So make sure this is what you want to do. And also, again, there's so many guys that are trying to do this, and, you know, they all want to, you know, go all the way. They want to go all the way. And I. I think, again, I. I really do think. I. I mean, I've seen guys who you wouldn't think would be able to pull such a large audience, but they do. But I. I really feel like, honestly, I'll be honest, at this point, I'm just taking advantage of all my physical traits. That's it. I'm taking it full. I've never taken full advantage of my physical traits like this in my life. But I. I feel like it is really what makes you stand out. I feel like if you have. I feel like height, I feel like, well, obviously, you know, attractive, physical. Just being attractive. That goes a long way. You know, if you have something very unique, then that really helps. But, I mean, you really need to make yourself stand out.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Joey Gray]

I mean, anyone could go in the industry. Anyone could, you know, everyone has something to bring to the table in the end. There's, you know, I had my, really criteria for an ideal performer, but honestly, now I rethought that completely based on what I've seen.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Joey Gray]

Like I said, there's people that have really huge group of followers, and they're far from what I thought would be ideal.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. So do you think that you're making a better income and, like, your lifestyle, I feel like, is better in an industry like this versus being a nurse?

[Joey Gray]

No, I think being a nurse is. It's very stable and it ensures stable amount of income. I just started. Things are very slow. That's what I want to emphasize. Things are slow. And I signed with a top. I signed with the top agency, and things are slow. But I knew that would be the case.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Joey Gray]

And I was, you know, and that was reinforced by my agent, who's amazing. I knew things would be slow, but.

[Interviewer]

It'S more so choosing something that you like and enjoy.

[Joey Gray]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

Rather than.

[Joey Gray]

It's looking more so in the long term.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Joey Gray]

And I think that's coming soon. I think, again, I just started. I just signed, and eventually, I mean, things are going to come together more so. But I would make sure you have something on the side.

[Interviewer]

Mm.

[Joey Gray]

I wouldn't. If you're new and you're anything, you need multiple different. You need a contingency plan.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Joey Gray]

And that's What I've. You know, that's what I've. People have come up to me and I feel like I am probably not the right person to come up to you, but I can give you something that's just common sense.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Joey Gray]

Have some. Do this. Have this on the side. I mean, on before that. Make sure you really want to do it. Make sure you really want to do it. And yeah, you definitely want to have things on the side. You're not going to. I mean, I guess some people could just have a massive following right then and there. I. I guess. I mean, but it's like the reality.

[Interviewer]

Of it is it, like, it takes time to build that momentum.

[Joey Gray]

It does. It takes time to build momentum and then you have to prove yourself.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Joey Gray]

And again, doing that first pro scene, seeing if you could go through the motions and well, well finish and everything. Yeah. I mean, so see. I mean, see how you. I mean, until you go through that, you're not going to know.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Joey Gray]

To be honest, you're not. And I think again, when I did all those scenes for, like, this new production company, I forgot to add, I did, like, that's when I wasn't on anything, when I did five scenes in a row with nothing on it. And then I went into that process and I just knew. I just knew I was able to perform. I was able to perform. It's. You have to learn your body. To be honest, it's hard to, like, one shoot you really. It's. It's hard to say because again, the environment changes. You have different personalities in terms of producers, and you have to, like, know.

[Interviewer]

How you're going to handle and react in, like, so many different types of situations with different types of people and.

[Joey Gray]

Exactly.

[Interviewer]

You know, a lot of things can come up that you're not prepared for. Like that guy's horrible breath.

[Joey Gray]

Yup. It wasn't that. It was the teeth. Oh, it was the teeth. It was just horrible. Yeah. We're going back to this guy.

[Interviewer]

No, sorry. Just something.

[Joey Gray]

It's okay. It's just, again, this.

[Interviewer]

It's something. I mean, something you got to prepare yourself for, though.

[Joey Gray]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

You know.

[Joey Gray]

Absolutely. You do. And let me tell you, there's no way you could prepare yourself for that. That is that if I have to not come, I think of the guys. I think of that guy's teeth.

[Interviewer]

Okay.

[Joey Gray]

I do. Because sometimes, like, I've been on set and, you know, you get a little too excited and, you know, you. You can't. You can't. You can't come right There.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Joey Gray]

So you have to hold back. So there you have a mental image.

[Interviewer]

Oh, that man's mouth.

[Joey Gray]

Yeah, I. As disgusting as it may be, it helps. Oh, it helped. It helped during my last shoot. I. But, yeah, you have to have, like, something. Like, something that you don't deem, but then you have to get it out of your head.

[Interviewer]

Right. That's true. Yeah.

[Joey Gray]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

Pros and cons to it.

[Joey Gray]

I notice a lot of them have open relationships or, like, they're in multiple relationships. This is. I mean, this. This. I'm, like, probably the most vanilla guy in the industry. I mean, people could. I mean, at that last gathering, I think people kind of like.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Joey Gray]

I mean, clearly. Yeah, I don't. I mean, I. I wouldn't be able to do that. Yeah, that's. That's, like, too much sometimes. Like, it's. It's. That's, like, insane. I didn't even know really about that. But, yeah, no, I have friends that have multiple relationships, so.

[Interviewer]

Do you think you could date a co star?

[Joey Gray]

Not right now.

[Interviewer]

Okay.

[Joey Gray]

No, it's. Again, this is just. I just want to keep it professional, focus. I go on set, then I go home.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Joey Gray]

And that's pretty much it. I am friends with, again, a lot of female performers in the industry, but again, I just. That's. That's it, really. I. I enjoy hanging out with them, and. And that's pretty much it. I'm very wary. When you go into relationships, you're really going into. I. I.

[Interviewer]

It's like opening other doors.

[Joey Gray]

It really is. And you could be opening, like, doors.

[Interviewer]

That don't want to be. That don't need to be.

[Joey Gray]

Yeah. And. And I've seen that. Like, again, I've seen it. You know, as much as I dislike this guy, he did serve as a mentor, and. And I've personally seen it again. Even before that. I knew it was a disaster. But, you know, when you're seeing.

[Interviewer]

It's, like, drama.

[Joey Gray]

It is. And you really just want to stay away from it. But again, I. As much as I stay away from it, you. You get pulled into it, and then not only that you're dealing with it, that you want to tell someone about all this you're going through. And. And, yeah, and, like, I've been like, I honestly have done my shoots. I go home, and I get pulled into drama. Like, it just. It's just how you. You handle it. Like I said, I'm very short and concise with my responses, and. But honestly, I had to kind of learn not to do that.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Joey Gray]

Okay, that. Honestly. Yeah, that. That again, I'm. I'm getting better at that. But. But yeah, you, you really do you really just. Again, that's what this well known star told me. She said, do your job and go home.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Joey Gray]

And I mean, yeah, so keep it hard. But it's hard, you know, you want to, you know, people are inviting you to, you know, and I, and like I said, I had a great time. I had a great time at that event. There was a. No, no drama.

[Interviewer]

It just depends too.

[Joey Gray]

It is. And I've gone and I mean, going back, I've had, I've had girls stalk me. I've had girls stalk me already. And what do you do? I, Well, I told him, like, look, like, I'm not interested in a relationship. I told you, I'm not trying to fool anyone. I said, like, look, were these people.

[Interviewer]

That you did shoots with?

[Joey Gray]

I did not do a shoot with this particular girl. I did not do a shoot with her. She, you know, I don't even know if she's still in the industry, but I said, like, look, you know, I'm not trying to be deceptive. I'm just saying I'm flat out telling you I'm not interested in a relationship. And I said, this is like, this is just absolutely crazy. This was before I actually stepped foot in the industry.

[Interviewer]

This was like, how did she take it? Was it all right?

[Joey Gray]

She took. Not so great. Oh, not so great. So I just remember it was like raining out. And I said, like, look, you know, I. And then she just wouldn't. She just became just too obsessed. And I just said, like, this is so. Eventually, you know, that was it. Then she, you know, I said, like, I just want to be left alone. And. And eventually she got the message and that was that I wasn't going. I'm not here to fool anyone. And I, again, I've gotten stalked. I've gotten like, stock. Like, I remember going to Vegas. Like, it's just weird. Like, I, like, had a really bad experience. Let's just say it wasn't stock, but it was like, I thought someone said they were someone who they were not. And I thought this was like a producer. And turns out she was not. She was not even in the industry. And I thought she wanted to see my business garden. Like, I said, like, you just like, yeah, so I mean, like, yeah, I'm just very careful, to be honest. I'm. I'm quite careful because I know I just, I try honestly to stay out of the drama, but Honestly, that's. You know.

[Interviewer]

But you get the territories.

[Joey Gray]

It comes with the territory. Precisely.

[Interviewer]

Were you a virgin when you went into the industry?

[Joey Gray]

No.

[Interviewer]

Okay.

[Joey Gray]

But I. Man, during Tinder's heyday, I was going crazy, though.

[Interviewer]

What's that? What was Tinder's. Hate it. What's that?

[Joey Gray]

Well, Tinder, you know, the dating app.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Joey Gray]

So when that launched, you could get laid, like, just. Well, at the click of a button.

[Interviewer]

Okay.

[Joey Gray]

So I was going crazy on Tinder. I was going crazy. I was, like, ever sort of family guy with Quagmire and Tinder. Well, that's it. He was, like, in his house, bloodshot eyes with Tinder. And that was you, Granted. Yeah, I was, like, kind of, like, crawled. I was, like, scrolling. I was like. I was like, yeah, so that. So, yeah. So I. That was like, a short period.

[Interviewer]

Okay.

[Joey Gray]

And then I. And then. And then. Yeah, I kind of, like. Then Tinder kind of, like, kind of died a little bit, you know, and then it came. Porn, pretty much. And the thing is, like, I'm very careful. I Honestly, I just. I mean, all I do is on. On set now. I just do. I'm just on set. I'm very stringent with the testing.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Joey Gray]

And again, you know, protection. I just. Honestly, I just go on. I just go on set right now, and that's. That's pretty much it. I. Yeah, I'm just careful because. Come on, like, you're telling like a girl, hey, I'm in the adult film industry. I've gotten a lot of, you know, people that are like, you know, they're. They're like, that's so freaking cool. And I'm like, you know, it's. You know, I. I think it's cool, but, you know, a lot of people don't think it's cool. And I. I mean, I could. I could understand why they think so. And, you know, I. Never again, you know, I. When someone asked me, I say, I'm doing modeling because technically, you know.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. So that's your go to. If somebody says, oh, what do you do for a living?

[Joey Gray]

Yeah. And this is the thing. I never thought of myself as.

[Interviewer]

You could always say, too, like, I'm a content creator.

[Joey Gray]

Exactly. Yeah, you could say you're a content creator. That's true. But I never. But, yeah, that's my. Pretty much my go to.

[Interviewer]

Okay.

[Joey Gray]

It's like George Cassandra saying he's an architect. Like, he wanted to do architect. He always goes back to him, like, oh, it's modeling, and that's it. And that's but, yeah, it was crazy. During. I did my first. Speaking of modeling, I did my first photo shoot. It was crazy doing the nude photos. Remaining hard while pictures of me, it's. It's difficult. First time I did, I was, like, really crinkling my forehead. I was, like, really concentrating on it. And yeah, the photo shoot was awesome. Again, really good friend of mine. And, you know, those photos were amazing. And. And, yeah, no, I'm excited to do another one down the line.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Joey Gray]

But that was important. I need, like, you know, photos.

[Interviewer]

Right.

[Joey Gray]

So if anyone says, oh, you know, I'm like, I do modeling. So I said, oh, yeah, what pictures? Like, I pull it up on my phone and I'm like, oh, yeah, these are like. These are like, pics. And yeah, they're like, oh, cool, that looks good. I'm like, yeah, because I. She's top notch.

[Interviewer]

She's.

[Joey Gray]

Yeah. She knows what she's doing.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Joey Gray]

And I don't. I have no clue. I know.

[Interviewer]

And you'll learn the more you go.

[Joey Gray]

Absolutely.

[Interviewer]

So. No, but I mean, I think this was great. You answered all my questions. Did you have anything else you wanted to hit?

[Joey Gray]

I think that covers everything, more or less. I'm still very new.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Joey Gray]

And, yeah.

[Interviewer]

You got a ways to go.

[Joey Gray]

I do.

[Interviewer]

And then. Are you. So what if. What happens if your family finds out before you tell them?

[Joey Gray]

Well, there's definitely a. Yeah. Big possibility.

[Interviewer]

Well, it just is what it is. Right.

[Joey Gray]

Essentially. Yeah.

[Interviewer]

I mean, you're an adult. You make your decision.

[Joey Gray]

Exactly. You. You know that. That's pretty much it. Really.

[Interviewer]

And like, you said, you knew, like, you made the choice. Like, is this really what I want?

[Joey Gray]

You have to come to grips with reality that the choice is out. Out there. I'm out there. And again, I've seen a lot of people want it, like, it's too late.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Joey Gray]

You know, and. But, you know, I really want to do this, and I'm making it happen. And. And, yeah, no, it's good to just have a contingency plan in place again. And. Yeah. So really think, who's that other guy?

[Interviewer]

That's a big porn star.

[Joey Gray]

There's a lot of them.

[Interviewer]

His name reminds me of Joey Gray.

[Joey Gray]

You know, I'm still learning about everyone. To be honest.

[Interviewer]

I can't think of his name.

[Joey Gray]

I talk about Gi. Joey. No, that's the only other one.

[Interviewer]

I can't remember his name, but he's like. And I only, like, know because he was, like, a big one that people were talking about at a certain point. But he had, like, a bunch of tattoos.

[Joey Gray]

Yeah, that's the thing. Tattoos.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Joey Gray]

Like when I said, no tattoos like that.

[Interviewer]

Because it sets you apart.

[Joey Gray]

It does. It's exotic. Most people have tattoos and to find someone that doesn't have tattoos and it's.

[Interviewer]

Tall and lean, it's.

[Joey Gray]

It's tough. Like, it's. I mean, I feel like I. I meet, like, a criteria, a talent that doesn't, like, come along too often. I mean, like, would you ever buzz your head? Yeah, I did it. I do. Oh, it's just like, this is. Yeah, no, I've done it. They, like, really screwed it up. If you go on my Twitter, you'll see they, like, messed my hairline up so bad. I was going around. So the recent convention, I went to Exotica again. And I'm looking back at the photos, I'm like, man, they really pushed my hairline back. My hair grows back pretty fast. But. But yeah, no, I do do that. I usually. I buzz it and. Because it turns into an afro if I don't. And this is pretty much as long as it gets. But, yeah, people were saying. People were saying in the video, you should, you know, you should get a fade, Joey. And I'm like, yeah, I. I did get a fade.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, look.

[Joey Gray]

Look, on my Twitter. And it.

[Interviewer]

So on Twitter, you can post anything on there, right?

[Joey Gray]

Yeah, you could post anything. I make sure, you know, it's not safe for work, that I have it. And. Yeah, you could, you know. Yeah, that's pretty much, I guess, you know, where our. Well, I have. I could clearly see all my followers and everything. Instagram's important, too, but you have to be very careful with what you post.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Joey Gray]

Nothing too explicit. Exactly. You got to be very careful because I see people who. Even with, like, the wording and everything, you really do. So that's one thing the guy taught me. Right. About was, again, I have to use my Instagram more. I don't really. I really need to use it more. Yeah, it's. But, yeah, I'm. I get too focused on Twitter.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Joey Gray]

And, yeah, that's pretty much, you know, really, it. I'm just waiting to. But yeah, I like, you know, I get some interesting dms. I'm sure it's really, though, like, you would think these people are bots, but, you know, and granted, a lot of them are boss. But then there's people that are not bots, and they. It's. It's very interesting in terms of what they request. I'm sure what they're saying.

[Interviewer]

And.

[Joey Gray]

And, yeah, now that's, you know, that's pretty much it. You get a lot of requests for cost. I get so many requests for custom vids. People wanting to see my feet.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Joey Gray]

I mean, that. Like, it's. It's.

[Interviewer]

There's a lot of feet. People out there.

[Joey Gray]

It is. And, like, I don't. I mean, more power to you if you like it. But people just kept talking about my big feet. That was pretty much, my feet are not pleasing. I. I run so much, and it just doesn't. Like I said, I didn't get a. I got my first ever pedicure before that scene.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Joey Gray]

I'm talking to the woman there, and I'm like. Like. Like, I'm a little ticklish, like, down there.

[Interviewer]

Right, right.

[Joey Gray]

So, like, there's water there. There's things are splashing around. And, like, it's just weird. I never had someone cut my own nails.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Joey Gray]

And I said. I said, like. Like, how bad is it? Like, how bad is the damage there? And she said, it's pretty. It's. It's okay. I was like, so it's. It. It's okay, meaning it's pretty bad.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Joey Gray]

But, you know, it looked fine on. On camera, and, you know, we got it done. I got so nervous, by the way. I was like, some girl is gonna suck on my toes. Yeah, I know. Like, someone's gonna give me a toe.

[Interviewer]

Job, and I'm like, did you like it?

[Joey Gray]

No. I mean, I didn't. I wasn't crazy. It's just about the other stuff that I was into.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. Yeah. So you just had to get through the toe job.

[Joey Gray]

Exactly. So you could. I was trying to make it seem like, you know, I enjoyed it.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Joey Gray]

Acting and. Yeah, it was weird. Like, I'm definitely good with talking on camera, for sure. But, like, it's. Yeah.

[Interviewer]

You become like an actor in a way.

[Joey Gray]

Yeah, you do. And it's so bad. I'm telling you. Like, the acting I've done, like, it's weird. Like, I feel like I'm pretty good at improv, but it's. But you're, like, really in the flow of things. That's the thing. I was shooting with this new production company, and, like, I thought we were like, I did such a great job. And then we get a cut. We get a cut. Everything's flowing so nice. And then we get a cut. And then I was like, oh, man.

[Interviewer]

Right. It, like, takes you out of the zone.

[Joey Gray]

It does. It does. And so I have to get used to that.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. To Be able to pick, Pick back up.

[Joey Gray]

Yeah, because the first pro scene, there was, like, there was no, there was none of that. There was no storyline. That's the thing with my productions. There's, there's, there's always a storyline.

[Interviewer]

Okay.

[Joey Gray]

And, and that's the thing I emphasized with my first production. A lot of people, you know, granted, you know, people just go right on into it. But again, it's, it's, it's corny. It's corny. This is not going to win any, you know, Oscars or anything, but, but yeah, I mean, I've, I've gotten better at it. It's awkward because you're not like, you're, you're having sex, you know, after you're acting.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Joey Gray]

It's just really. Again, I, I will experience that more as I go on.

[Interviewer]

It's, it's a growing and learning experience. Like with any, any career.

[Joey Gray]

Exactly.

[Interviewer]

You get better as you go. Yeah, but you're gonna be top, Top dog.

[Joey Gray]

Well, yeah, you know.

[Interviewer]

What do you mean? We'll see. No, you have to be positive.

[Joey Gray]

No, I know, I know. I mean, the thing is, the thing is, like, I don't wanna, you know, I don't want to flatter myself too much, but, you know, definitely you do.

[Interviewer]

You speak it into existence.

[Joey Gray]

You do. And that's, you know, when someone else tells me that, you know, I, I, I, I will get there. Yeah, I will get there. And again, it just, I just keep getting better and I just keep improving my body, my mind, and I'm going to go the distance. And that's, that's essentially it. That's what I told someone at that first industry gathering. Well, one of my first. But I said, like, look, I'm going the distance. I, again, we were talking about, you know, she's been doing it for a while, I think, and I said, like, you know, this is, I'm not, you know, this is, this is something I'm doing long term. And again, I emphasized I'm going all the way. And again, if I wasn't improving, then I would be nervous. But I definitely see improvement from shoot to shoot.

[Interviewer]

Do you think down the road you would ever, like, do some of the things that right now you're not comfortable doing?

[Joey Gray]

Oh, that's difficult to answer because, like.

[Interviewer]

You know, like, I feel like sometimes the more comfortable you get, the more you're like, all right, like, I'll do it, you know.

[Joey Gray]

True. I mean, there were things, like I said, like the, the foot licking. I just said, I'll do it right. I'll do it.

[Interviewer]

Maybe it depends on, like, your mindset.

[Joey Gray]

It does depend on your mindset. And. But yeah, I do have clear limitations. I'm pretty sure I'm never going to stray from those limitations. Just again, I'm just, you know, again, focused on just, Just straight content. That's, that's, that's it.

[Interviewer]

Just pumping it out.

[Joey Gray]

Exactly. So, so, yeah, I mean, it doesn't, I guess, you know, there's things that I didn't put as limit. There's things that didn't come to mind right now in terms of what I listed as my limitations.

[Interviewer]

But what about feminine hygiene? Like.

[Joey Gray]

Yeah, like. What do you mean? Like her.

[Interviewer]

Just odor, not shade.

[Joey Gray]

He said you have to remain professional. Okay, so I, I've seen it. Like, I've seen. I was on set and this person will remain, you know, obviously anonymous. I'm not going to name any names, but let's just say there was. There was some. They were using a cup and there was, you know, she was on her period and the producer couldn't see it. Right. And I swore it. I was like, yeah, this can't be on. Like, this is. I mean, so I just said. And so, yeah, so again, like, I just. Again, you're gonna. It's how you react to it.

[Interviewer]

What did you do?

[Joey Gray]

I just remained calm and I said, you know, are you all right? And, you know, it was just her cup and, and yeah, I mean, that was.

[Interviewer]

So did you. Her on her period?

[Joey Gray]

Yeah, essentially. Yeah. I mean, so what happened was just the death. Yeah, yeah, we've all been there. It was the first time I was really there. I was just, you know, very careful. I was, you know, just letting. Just, Just, you know, just. Again, it. You didn't have to put too much death into it for you to, you know. Well, and there's just. There's a lot of. There's a little bit of blood, but that was, that was it. Yeah. I mean, I've seen a lot of. Again, I've seen people who, they don't shower and like, if you ever had.

[Interviewer]

To eat somebody out and it really stunk or tasted bad.

[Joey Gray]

Not yet. No.

[Interviewer]

Okay.

[Joey Gray]

No, not. Not so far.

[Interviewer]

I hope that happens. You don't get sick.

[Joey Gray]

Exactly. I'm very, you know, honestly, since I've done a lot of my own production, I mean, the thing, the thing he, you know, again, the guy going back to him, because he was such a large part. I was with this guy for two years, was timing like 20 minutes. 20 minutes is always 20 minutes. I think it's the quality more so than the time. But yeah, you want to have a decent time. But again, I would say I was with, and I mean, yeah, I was with some, you know, this was a very small amount. Some perform. Again, I didn't, I could say, oh, you know, I don't want to go down. I'll just do something else. Yeah, it's, it's good. But yeah, yeah, no but for, but for the most part, everybody's fine. Really. But yeah, I mean, I would be lying if I said, oh, yeah, there's some people that I've worked with that I guess we're not the most hygienic. But again, just got to keep it professional. Yeah, and, and yeah, like I said, I gave you an instance that was gonna be my mental block. And, and yeah, I just, you know, I just like, my hygiene's really impeccable. Like, I just make sure of that. And you know, again, my, the co star was like really, like happy about that, you know, because I, you know, that's it. I made the shoot really smooth. Yeah, it became very smooth. And, and yeah, that's, you know, really it.

[Interviewer]

Damn. Well, thanks, Joey Gray, for coming on. No, seriously, thank you for giving us some insight on the industry. I haven't had anybody on here that kind of has, you know, their toe in the door with it and is actually like taking it to the big screen.

[Joey Gray]

Yep.

[Interviewer]

Like you. So you did amazing and thank you so much.

[Joey Gray]

Yep. Thank you for having me. Appreciate it.