How to Rewire Your Life: Erica Spiegelman on Recovery, Mindset & Habits

Summary

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We're Out of Time Podcast

Episode: How to Rewire Your Life: Erica Spiegelman on Recovery, Mindset & Habits
Host: Richard Taite
Guest: Erica Spiegelman
Date: February 10, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this inspirational and practical episode, host Richard Taite sits down with bestselling author, counselor, and recovery expert Erica Spiegelman. Together, they dive into Erica's signature "Rewired Method"—an eight-part framework designed to help people recover, heal, and reshape their lives. The conversation covers practical tools for mindset change, combating negative self-talk, establishing healthy routines, and finding empowerment through neuroplasticity and self-compassion. Real stories, actionable insights, and even some playful vulnerability from both guest and host make the episode relatable for anyone seeking change, whether in addiction recovery or in pursuit of general self-betterment.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Introduction to the "Rewired Method" and the Eight Rs

• The Eight Rs:
  • Restart
  • Reframe
  • Rewire (with routines)
  • Rewrite (narratives)
  • Reintroduce (self-love and compassion)
  • Reaffirm
  • Refocus
  • Reinvention
  • Purpose: The method is about using neuroplasticity and conscious repetition to "rewire" habits, thoughts, and identities, cultivating lasting change.
    (01:37–02:20)

"Really, the most successful clients I've ever had were the ones that change their routine and that begin to understand that repetition right in the right direction is what really changes our life overall and gives us a new, you know, kind of a new existence."
—Erica Spiegelman (02:23)

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1. Rewriting Narratives and Changing Self-Talk

• The Power of Narrative:
  • Negative self-talk ("I'm not good enough") keeps people stuck.
  • Many false beliefs are instilled early—by parents, teachers, or bullies.
  • Insight: The first step is becoming aware of these narratives, then actively rewriting them to move forward. (03:18–04:07)
• Perfectionism Trap:
  • Richard candidly discusses his own issues around perfection and negative self-image.
  • Erica underscores that perfectionism can drive excellence, but also breeds chronic dissatisfaction.

"All I require is perfection. That's it. I just require perfection."
—Richard Taite (04:27)

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2. Reframe: Shifting Perspective

• From Failure to Experience:
  • Erica shares how reframing failure as experience leads to resilience and new opportunity.
  • Constant self-judgment is corrosive; reframing is about focusing on what you gain, not on what you did wrong.
    (05:02–06:42)

"Reframing a situation that I failed. I'm such a failure versus: No, this was just an experience. And there's a better opportunity for you around the next door."
—Erica Spiegelman (05:42)

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3. Rewire With Routines

• Routine and Self-Care:
  • Positive routines (like exercise) build a healthier self-identity and provide day-to-day structure.
  • Routines should be personalized and meaningful—not forced.
  • Personal anecdote: Erica describes her transformation through daily running, including the validating moment of being seen as “the runner girl.”
    (07:01–08:47)

"For her to acknowledge that I was a healthy woman based on my new routines, it was an amazing moment because it gave me again, the motivation to keep on going down those healthy pathways..."
—Erica Spiegelman (08:39)

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4. Comparisons and Social Narratives

• Comparing ourselves to others (especially on social media) is common but destructive.
• Everyone’s narrative is shaped by unique family and cultural backgrounds.
• Playful banter highlights the difficulty and consequences of constant comparison.
  (09:07–10:37)

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5. Self-Love and Compassion

• Universality of Self-Healing:
  • Recovery principles apply to everyone, not just those with addictions.
  • Erica emphasizes the importance of being your own best friend, encouraging yourself with sincere and kind language.
  • Richard notes the difference between self-encouragement and self-delusion, stressing authenticity.
    (12:03–13:23)

"You have to be your own best friend. You have to talk yourself through things in life. No one else is going to do it for you."
—Erica Spiegelman (12:08)

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6. Reaffirm: The Role of Affirmations

• Affirmations for All Ages:
  • Using positive affirmations, especially with kids, can change lives by shaping beliefs.
  • Erica shares her experience using affirmations with her own children and the impact of gratitude rituals.
    (13:57–14:42)

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7. Refocus: Power of Attention

• Where You Place Your Energy:
  • Focusing on what you lack or dread creates anxiety; shifting to gratitude and solutions changes your quality of life.
  • Developing this positive focus is like building a mental muscle—it takes work and repetition.

"If I wake up in the morning and my focus is what I don't have, what is going wrong, what hasn't happened yet...that's going to be the trajectory of my...day."
—Erica Spiegelman (15:43)

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8. Reinvention: Becoming Your Best Self

• Identity Transformation:
  • Recovery eventually leads you to ‘see yourself in a new way’, forming a new, empowered identity.
  • Richard shares a personal story of modeling himself after an “elegant man” (Anthony Hopkins' character in Meet Joe Black) in his quest for reinvention post-addiction.
  • Erica affirms the role of stories—film, characters, and narratives—in shaping our vision for ourselves. (18:26–21:00)

"When you start to see yourself a new way...you identify differently with who you are, and that's the freedom of this path."
—Erica Spiegelman (18:27)

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Systemic Gaps & Erica’s Mission

• Need for More Modalities in Treatment:
  • Erica noticed limited treatment options; she created an online Rewired Program for incarcerated learners, now active in 1,100 US correctional facilities.
  • Over 10,000 prisoners have completed the program with a 92% completion rate—making it evidence-based in her eyes.
  • Erica’s new "Rewired Academy" offers certification for professionals and is launching a free four-week online course (Rewired Wellness) for the general public. (21:04–26:10)

"We've had 10,000 incarcerated learners graduate the Rewired program online. Now I'm trying to bring...a rewired coaching certification program where I can train other counselors, other professionals in our field."
—Erica Spiegelman (21:10)

"You do that, your life gets instantly better and you get...happier. And you have a fuller life. And when you're not like this all day long you can be present for your children, for your love, relationships, for your friendships, for people that need you."
—Richard Taite (23:04)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Negative Self-Talk:
  • "Part of my narrative is I'm an idiot." —Richard Taite (04:07)
• On Self-Compassion:
  • "You have to be your own best friend..." —Erica Spiegelman (12:08)
• On Comparison:
  • "If I compare myself to the president, I'm going to feel shitty. So I don't do it." —Richard Taite (09:45)
• On Recovery for All:
  • "Everyone's recovering from something." —Erica Spiegelman (12:10)
• On Personal Transformation:
  • "If you don't replace drug addiction and that life that you held as most valuable with something of equal or greater value, you can't stay sober." —Richard Taite (19:19)
• On Giving:
  • "There's nothing to get. There's only to give." —Richard Taite (20:19)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [01:37] – Introduction to the Eight Rs of Recovery
• [03:18] – Importance of Rewriting Narratives & Combating Negative Self-Talk
• [05:02] – Reframing Failure into Opportunity
• [07:01] – Power of Routines in Recovery
• [09:07] – The Dangers of Comparison Culture
• [12:03] – Embracing Self-Love and Compassion
• [13:57] – How Affirmations Change Lives
• [15:43] – Refocusing and the Power of Attention
• [18:26] – Reinvention: Identity and the Role of Stories
• [21:04] – Systemic Gaps and the Rewired Program in Prisons
• [24:41] – Launch of New Online Courses for Everyone

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Tone & Style

The episode mixes candid, conversational self-disclosure (especially from Richard), compassionate expertise (from Erica), and practical optimism. Both guests use humor and humility, while offering concrete steps listeners can apply immediately—making the content approachable, non-judgmental, and empowering.

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Summary Takeaway

Erica Spiegelman’s “Rewired Method” is about tangible, daily practices—backed by science and lived experience—that help anyone (not only those in addiction recovery) transform their habits, their mindset, and ultimately their lives. With actionable advice, real human stories, and an affirming tone, this episode serves as both a primer for Erica’s work and a motivational reset for all listeners.

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Transcript

[A]

I love to teach my clients this of reframing a situation that I failed. I'm such a failure versus. No, this was just an experience. And there's a better opportunity for you around the next door. If someone has a problem with substance use disorder, please call one call placement. That's 888-831-1581. And if we can't help you, we'll make a referral to someone who can. One call placement is affiliated with Carrera Treatment Wellness and Spa and One Method Treatment Centers.

[B]

Today on we're out of Time, I'm joined by Erica Spiegelman, a best selling author, counselor, and recovery expert whose work has transformed thousands of lives. She co founded New Spirit Recovery, created the Rewired online program that's helped over 11,000 incarcerated learners. And now she's launching the rewired method, the eight Rs of recovery, to bring her tools to even more people. Erica, welcome to the program.

[A]

Thank you for having me. It's my honor to be here.

[B]

No, the pleasure's all mine. If it wasn't, I would have told you. Okay. Your new book, the Rewired Method, lays out the eight Rs of recovery. What are they and what led you to create this framework? Can you show the book?

[A]

Yeah. Yeah, let's show the book. Okay. So this is the COVID We go from restart, reframe, rewire with routines, then rewrite our narratives because obviously those are important. We can talk about all these. Reintroducing self, love and compassion. Reaffirm. Start by changing the pathways in our brain with affirmations and positive self talk. Changing the language we use within our mind's eye. Refocus our lives with routine, how important that is. And then reinvention. It's kind of a reinvention for ourselves. And we get to thrive and again we get to choose a different path.

[B]

So that's magnificent. Thank you. I love that.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

So it's all about neuroplasticity.

[A]

It is. It's about again, I'm not a neuroscientist, but rewiring, I mean, I rewired my. My life 17 years ago. I got sober. And so for me, it was based on. I went to UCLA and became an addiction counselor, but also just personally and professionally working in the treatment field for 15 years plus seeing that really the most successful clients I've ever had were the ones that change their routine and that begin to understand that repetition right in the right direction is what really changes our life overall and gives us a new, you know, Kind of a new existence in a way. If you don't do that, we're stuck, you know.

[B]

All right, of the eight Rs, which one do you think is the most important starting point for someone in early recovery? I'm sorry, this is a horrible question, but you have to answer it because I know the answer. It works in synergy.

[A]

I mean, they're all important, but I mean, I would really encourage people to look at their narratives. I like to talk about that a little bit of just rewriting the. Again, stories we tell ourselves that keep us stuck. Right. And again, those could be the false core beliefs or they could be something.

[B]

Give me examples.

[A]

So, like, you know, I'm not good enough. I'm not worthy enough. I'll never get sober. I'll never be able to have a routine. I'm late.

[B]

All the negative talk.

[A]

All the negative talk. But again, it's most of the time reinforced by maybe a parent when you're younger or teacher or you've been bullied.

[B]

Always, Right?

[A]

Ye. So again, as adults that want to recover and move forward in a healthy way, we have to look at those and figure out what are they. The awareness has to be there. And then how do we rewrite them? How do I change and correct that thinking?

[B]

I have that problem and I've been trying to deal with it forever. About the negative self talk, you know, I've been. Part of my narrative is I'm an idiot.

[A]

Mm.

[B]

Okay. I'm a.

[A]

Right. Well, but also, again, like, how do you measure your success? And again, what?

[B]

Perfectionism.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

All I require is perfection. That's it. I just require perfection.

[A]

Right. But that's. That's obviously, as you know, could come with some issues because again, then we're never truly happy with anything. It's always.

[B]

What who said? I've never been truly happy?

[A]

No, I'm saying when people are perfectionists, right? They. They seem like they never do anything exactly the way they want it.

[B]

Good enough.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So it's never good enough. But you know what it does? It drives people to excellence.

[A]

It does, it does.

[B]

Let's go to the next one.

[A]

Okay, let's give it.

[B]

Give me an example of the next.

[A]

Let's go with reframing.

[B]

Let's go over.

[A]

Reframing, reframing. So as we know, right, Our mental. Our thoughts and our mental health are like this, right? And so again, if we're not aware of our thought habits, our thought patterns, and again, like I said, the awareness of correcting them, then we suffer. You know, people that are in this cognitive distortion, this loop of constantly, like you said, either being self critical or catastrophizing every situation. Right. And it creates a stress, it creates an anxiety, it causes cancer, causes us, you know, our mental health and the quality of our thoughts matters.

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

Reframing is, is the next one, which I love because I, I love to teach my clients this. Of reframing a situation that I failed. I'm such a failure versus. No, this was just an experience. And there's a better opportunity for you around the next door. But if we're not focused on what I gained from the experience instead of it's what I did wrong and the judgment, constant judgment, self judgment, that's where we fall.

[B]

So I'm really good with that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because every time I fail. Okay. I always create a win for myself.

[A]

Great.

[B]

Okay. So that's reframing you, right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Good name. That's, that's good branding. It's not defund the police. That's really good.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You always have to create a win for yourself because otherwise you're going to light yourself on fire. Okay. So anytime I go ahead and I screw up, that's good for me because I've just ruled out something that doesn't work and now my brain says, okay, let's go find something that does. I think that's really helpful.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, I didn't even know that was a thing. I thought that was something I just came up with.

[A]

No. No. Well, that's great.

[B]

There are no more original thoughts. All right, next one.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Number three.

[A]

Well, we, we didn't start with number one.

[B]

It's okay.

[A]

We went out of order restart. But we, we get restart. So now rewire with routines.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Okay. As you know, I can see that you, you're, you have physical self care and routines, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So again, a lot of us, I think in recovery find that movement exercise is, is a helpful routine for us to feel proud of ourselves, for us to get up in the morning and of course. Right. Um, but again, I think routines too. Again, we're not necessarily always proud of our past and we probably didn't have routines or self care.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So now it's.

[B]

Or negative routines or negative routines.

[A]

Habits. Right. But again, we could create good habits just like we create negative hab habits. And so again, we want to start to try and figure out us as individuals are so different. What is going to motivate you to get up and do the next best thing for your own self care, you know, and so telling someone they have to just go to a meeting for night and it doesn't resonate with them. And that's what they're going to, you know.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Basically feel either like they're doing the right thing or not. No. So we have to, again, give ourselves the permission to create our own routines, healthy routines that. That light us up, that. That speak to us spiritually, that give us that moment of joy and inspiration in our life. And again. So for me, for example, movement. I started running when I got sober and I would run every morning. Non negotiable, right? It was a non negotiable. And it. And because I did it every day, almost every day, one day this lady came up to me at the coffee shop and she said, you're the runner girl. And I started crying because she saw me as a runner. Right. And I never seen myself like that in my addiction. I never saw myself as a healthy woman, you know, so for. For her to acknowledge that I was a healthy woman based on my new routines, it was an amazing moment because it gave me again, the motivation to keep on going down those healthy pathways and to continue on with those routines.

[B]

How many children do you have?

[A]

I have two.

[B]

How old are they?

[A]

Five and a half and six and a half.

[B]

Those kids are the luckiest kids on the face of the earth.

[A]

Thank you. Thank you.

[B]

I'm not judging, I'm just reporting.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

Next one.

[A]

Yeah. Okay, let's go. We did rewrite the narratives. Do we want to go into that further? We get the narratives. I think we get it.

[B]

Oh, I want to do it all.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I want to do it all.

[A]

We did talk about the narratives a little bit.

[B]

No, he didn't. We talked about the negative self talk.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So let's go to the next one.

[A]

Well, let's. One more thing about the narratives. Let me just say, please. So again, in our. Let's say our culture, right. If we're both raised in the same kind of culture or in the same demographic, if you're a man, a woman. Right. We all have different narratives based on that.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So again, when we compare ourselves to others in recovery, it's. It's not. That's not what we should be doing because someone else has had a different experience than us.

[B]

How do you do that? Man, I compare myself to everything.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, I'll compare myself and. And I always raise the bar.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Right. So it's like, I get it. If I compare myself to the president, I'm going to feel shitty. So I don't do it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay. But just about, like, almost to that line.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Right. And that's a recipe.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

For feeling shitty.

[A]

Right.

[B]

All the time.

[A]

All the time.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But it. Man, does. Do you grow fast?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, and if you run fast, you gotta run fast. Right. I mean, at the end of the day, you gotta find out who you are.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And it's not like I need, you know, I'm not talking about material things or finance, finances, you know, because it's about, you know, just finding out who you are.

[A]

Right. And not comparing. But today with, you know, social media and this and that, it's. It's a hard world. But again, it's the worst.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But these narratives, again, so take everything with a grain of salt. When you start to, you know, explore what a narrative is and how it got there, you know, my.

[B]

You know, it got there from your parents.

[A]

I was just gonna say I'm the.

[B]

I'm the blame the parent guy.

[A]

Yeah. Well, that's true.

[B]

So if I tell you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

If I give you. If I gas you up.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

On the parent thing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's real.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah, I get it.

[B]

Because parents are. It's so hard to find a good parent. I was just driving. I took my kid to school, and on the way home, I'm coming down this blind curve and. And there's traffic. You can't even get up. You have to move to the side, and there's all this traffic. And this father is. Is on a blind curve with no sidewalks, wheeling his two toddlers up the hill.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I'm like, you're the worst father ever.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You're like a horrible father.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Right?

[A]

Yeah. I mean, and then there's, you know, fathers and mothers that drink in front of their children, that act out, that have their own unhealthy behaviors. And again, that's how these narratives are created. Let's say you have a man in the house that's cheating on his wife. What's the narrative? Oh, men aren't to be trusted. Right. Again. So when you become an adult, you have. Only when they got caught, there's a narrative. Exactly. Okay, we got that coming.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

That's what narratives are. Yeah. But then next. 1 reintroducing self love and compassion.

[B]

Give it to me. Yeah, I. I just started loving myself.

[A]

Good. At least we started. I think. I think again, when you rec. And I'm not. This is talk. When I say recover, everyone's recovering from something. So I'm not just talking about addiction and alcohol and drugs. I'm talking about recovering from a multitude of things that have gone on in our lives. So when people hear this, all this work applies for every human being that's out there. This is not just for people in recovery. Sure, recovery, but self love and compassion. You have to be your own best friend. You have to talk yourself through things in life. No one else is going to do it for you. You can't go to a therapist and have them fix your problems. You have to do the work. You have to. At the end of the day, this is what I did when I changed my life. Good job. You did amazing today. You're so strong. You got up, you did this. You're. You're the best. Give yourself a hug. Good job, girl. You got this. One more block. You're strong. Go. Run. You know, encouraging yourself, using kind language.

[B]

Yeah, but you can't horseshit yourself because when I came back to work, I was like, you're the king. You're the best. And then I just got my ass kicked.

[A]

Well, there's, there's ego, but then there's sincere talk to encourage yourself that you know when you're struggling that you can do things right. Like, that's right. You have to encourage yourself a little bit. But so many people don't. They're not even aware of, of like the self talk, the language that goes on in their mind's eye.

[B]

You know, I don't, I don't self. I don't self talk and gas myself up. You know what I do?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I just got God with me all day long and I just, and I just ask God to. I'm like, I check in like all day long. Are we good here? Is this the right way?

[A]

Right, right, right. So what makes you feel better?

[B]

Well, I trust, I trust him more than I trust me.

[A]

So that's great. I love that. Well, that's spiritual self care.

[B]

Next one.

[A]

Reaffirm. Reaffirm.

[B]

Ah, so it's not enough to just give yourself talk. Self talk. You gotta say, and I'm real about this, and I'm serious about this.

[A]

Yeah. I mean the word affirmation, right? It's not just, okay, I am beautiful, I am strong. I'm this. I mean, that's, that is great too. If that's all you can muster.

[B]

All I heard was, and I love myself. Yeah, I'm pretty enough, I'm handsome enough.

[A]

But you know what? If you teach kids that at my kids age and they begin that absolutely wiring it will change their lives.

[B]

That's why you're the best mother.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I love that.

[A]

I mean, at the end of the day, we do what we're grateful for. And what was the best part of your day? But it's so funny because my son always say, everything with you was the best part. Everything with you. But I think what he really means is, I'm grateful for you. He just doesn't know how to say that. But it's cute.

[B]

Oh, no, he meant it.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

He meant it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Everything with you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Is perfect.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And when he says something like that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What he's saying is, I've got the best mommy in the world.

[A]

Thank you. Yeah. That's what he's saying. Yeah.

[B]

So you know how you'll be able to tell because you've got young kids.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

When they start having play dates over the house all the time at about 10 or 12, you'll notice all the kids come to your house.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And everybody. And. And your kids have compared all of their friends, parents to you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then they're grateful.

[A]

That's cute. I love that. That's how that works. Can't wait. I can't wait.

[B]

Next one.

[A]

Okay, so after affirming. And also I have a affirmation book, so I truly believe in this. I just want to tell you I have a book called 101.

[B]

101 affirmations. Well, you've written seven books.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I want all seven books up there, not just the new one. Yeah, all seven books up there.

[A]

I brought a bunch for you.

[B]

You brought them all for me?

[A]

I brought a couple, yeah. I didn't have all.

[B]

I'm not. I'm not worthy.

[A]

You are. When I. When the. When the new shipment comes in, I'm sending them your way.

[B]

Don't forget.

[A]

Yeah. Refocus. Right. Refocus our. Our power. Right. Like where we. Where we put our energies, where we give our power, and where we put our focus.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

Right. So if I wake up in the morning and my focus is what I don't have, what is going wrong, what hasn't happened yet, What's. What I'm worried about. Right. That's like my first thought. Morning. Right.

[B]

That's all the catastrophic things.

[A]

Well, that's going to be the trajectory of my. For sure quality of my day.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

Versus getting up, learning how to. But this is. This is work. I mean, this is what. In terms of building a muscle. What we need to do is refocus. What am I grateful for? What are my blessings? What is going right. How Can I do better today and learn? What can I do to make myself feel good? You know, how can I solve my own problems? Like, moving towards solution is so much different than focusing on these things that are out of our control sometimes.

[B]

You know what I love most about this?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's practical and accessible and easy for everybody to do. And if they want to create change, they can. So I'm gonna make a commitment to you today. Okay. I am not going to talk about myself anymore. Good. I'm gonna try.

[A]

That's amazing.

[B]

And I'm not gonna work on it. I'm actually gonna put my best foot forward and do that.

[A]

That's amazing.

[B]

But I still can say idiot savant.

[A]

Okay, fine.

[B]

Because that's cool.

[A]

Fine. But that's the only one.

[B]

That's the only one.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I like it because that's like a hybrid.

[A]

I think that kind of means something nice to you anyway. It does. Yeah.

[B]

To me it does.

[A]

Yeah. Well, that's all that matters.

[B]

I like being a lot.

[A]

Listen, it just. If that for you is a loving term, that's good enough.

[B]

There it is.

[A]

You know, that's the test, Right? Who cares what other people think?

[B]

I don't care what the neighbors think.

[A]

No.

[B]

For sure.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Did your grandmother ever said that to you?

[A]

No, not the neighbors thing.

[B]

Not the neighbors thing.

[A]

She said a lot of. Just a lot of things.

[B]

Give me one. Are you going out to have a good time? Like, that was the worst thing in the world.

[A]

She was from Brooklyn, so she was, you know, she was major. She was a New Yorker. It was always, don't do. She was a worry. She was a worrier. He was an old school. She spoke Yida. She was really.

[B]

Well, that's because she lost half her family.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Well, so she's, you know, we're a little. We're a little touchy.

[A]

Right.

[B]

I won't even turn the heater on in my German car.

[A]

Oh, no.

[B]

We get a little touchy about that.

[A]

Oh, my God, you got you. Funny.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'll think of something that she said after I leave. Of course.

[B]

Of course. Right when we. Right when we push end.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

All right.

[A]

And reinvention. Last one.

[B]

Oh, we didn't get to all of them.

[A]

The last one. Reinvention, that's the most important. Yeah. Which is like that story about me running. It's just again, when you start to see yourself a new way, you see yourself from, like, outside yourself, you know, you have a new. You identify differently with who you are, and that's. That's the freedom of this path.

[B]

I don't think I've ever told anybody this.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So it's just going to be between you and I and the rest of the world.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay. Have you ever seen a movie by the name of Meet Joe Black?

[A]

Yes, Many times.

[B]

I love that movie.

[A]

Yeah. It's a great movie.

[B]

Right? Yeah. Let's get over the part where she looks at him and she's wells up. She's so in love with him. Like, that's. Like that. Nothing has ended more relationships for me than that. You're not looking at me the way she looked at Brad Pitt.

[A]

Comparing.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But I believe that if you don't replace drug addiction and that life that you held is most valuable.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

With something of equal or greater value, you can't stay sober. So for me, it was about being an elegant man. And since I didn't. Since the modeling I had was anything but elegant.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I took. I said to myself, I want to be like Anthony Hopkins character in this movie because he was the most elegant man I had ever seen in my life. And that's what I wanted. And so I'm so glad I remembered this. And so that's how I live my life. I try to live it in comfort and convenience and humility. You know, I try to be. I try to leave this place better than I found it.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Right. And I operate from really. There's nothing to get. There's only to give.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And when you operate in the world like that, it's pretty easy to be an elegant man.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Fall short all the time.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay. But I'm cool with it. I'm cool with. I'm cool with 85% success.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Not perfectionism in that.

[A]

Yeah. He was a great character. So is why I love film and movie and I studied that, too, and I'm for my undergraduate. But it really, I think, like, I think stories and us to relate to others in that sense is so much better than Joe Schmo over here, where we're comparing ourselves to, you know.

[B]

All right, where did we leave off from your perspective?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What is the biggest gaps in our current treatment system?

[A]

I don't think there's enough modalities to be honest. So I created an online program called the Rewired Program. It's online on tablets by a company called Adobo and 1100 prisons across the United States in every state. And we've had 10,000 helping people out in prisons. Yeah. A company called Adovo has These relationships with 1100 prisons, juvenile detention Centers and jails across the United States in every state. And there is vocational skills they can learn. There's. They could learn how to read. They can also learn for substance abuse and issues that are around addiction that they've never treated before. And so I gave them my rewired program for free. And we've gotten back the data and we've had 10,000 incarcerated learners graduate the rewired program online. Now I'm trying to bring. I have a rewired coaching certification program where I can train other counselors, other professionals in our field.

[B]

Oh, that's great. You got. You got to that. That's something that you should focus on. Because I have a friend that did that with the letters behind their name for interventionists. And everybody goes to that school and nobody knows that. It's completely unnecessary and you don't need that.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think.

[B]

And it's not even a good class.

[A]

Okay. Well, yeah. I mean it's hard. It's hard for. First of all, I'm not going to chase treatment centers to train their professionals in my rewired method. But that is the question you asked me. What is missing in our treatment world, which is. I now consider this evidence based. It is this, right? Because we've had 10,000 people and a 92% complete.

[B]

But it's not just that. But it's not just that. Everything that you just said is tried and true.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Everything. There's any one of those eight that you put into into your life that you weave into that I'm not talking about you're doing. I'm talking about it's part of your DNA.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Okay. You do that, your life gets instantly better and you get you. You are happier. Okay. And you have a fuller life. And when you're not like this all day long you can be present for your children, for your love, relationships, for your friendships, for people that need you. Right. And you're at your best.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

So you don't have to. Whether or not people think this is objective is. Is ridiculous. It doesn't matter. It's not subjective. It's objective. These are things that objectively make your life better.

[A]

Right, Exactly. I agree. So that's why I consider this a methodology now that's rewired method you'd be doing.

[B]

You do great. Taking this into treatment centers and doing groups.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And to train somebody because you're a big shot. Okay. You don't need to do that. That's not the world you're living in anymore.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay. But to train Somebody to go in or a bunch of people to go in and do groups.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

At these places will really benefit people.

[A]

Well, that's why. So it's. So I have this online, it's under rewiredacademy.com it's my business called Rewired Academy. And if you were, let's say professional, you could sign up today. It's, it's a four to eight week course. You graduate, you become a rewired coach and then you can teach the material in any treatment center you work at. Anywhere you work. The rewired wellness course is being created right now. I'm really excited. I really believe in these online educational courses.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

And what. So I also write for Poosh, which is like an online, like I, I write for a demographic that is young. Yeah. It's a Kardashian like blog that they.

[B]

I want to write for Poosh.

[A]

Yeah. I'll take you to a party with me.

[B]

You take me to a Poosh party?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's awesome.

[A]

But so my point is, is not mentioning that, but it's more of like so through the years of writing for them and also you know, doing some other media and for, for just every day, let's say everyday, 20 to you know, 60 year olds that are just dealing with a lack of self care, mental self care, emotional self care, spiritual self care, physical self care. This, all of this which I think you would agree is relatable to just everyday people. Rewired is all about healthy boundaries and learning how to communicate and self care practices. But again, I would like to create a course for the general public. So that's what this Rewired wellness course is. It'll be online, it'll be available for anybody to take. It's a free four week course and there's a meeting with me every week on Zoom. So we get to, you get a.

[B]

Bunch of group of people in the a community.

[A]

We'll start to build a community. They could take the course and after they could opt into some other options to keep their journey going. But you know, it's giving somebody like again a little bit of an outlet for them to have a path and, and have, you know, a better life even if they don't have an addiction. You know, a lot of people are suffering out there.

[B]

I love that. Yeah, I love that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

All right. Erica Spiegelman, this has been magnificent.

[A]

Thank you. See you next Tuesday.

[B]

She said it. We're out of time. Please subscribe on YouTube. Click the thumbs up and leave a comment. Please subscribe on Apple podcast and Spotify and leave a rating and a review and share the we're out of time podcast with others. You know who will get value out of it. See you next Tuesday.