Sober and Strong: Marine Veteran Shane Neal’s New Mission

Summary

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Episode Overview

Podcast: We're Out of Time
Host: Richard Taite
Episode: Sober and Strong: Marine Veteran Shane Neal’s New Mission
Date: November 25, 2025

This powerful episode centers on Shane Neal, a Marine veteran and former client of host Richard Taite, sharing his raw journey from addiction, through recovery, and into a life of hope and service. The conversation deeply explores Shane's battle with substances, his experiences in the military, struggle with the criminal justice system, and how community and helping others have become cornerstones of his new, sober life.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Early Life and Military Experience

• Family legacy of military service: Shane comes from a long line of servicemen (great-grandfather and stepdad both Marines, father served in Vietnam), sparking his early commitment to join the Marines after 9/11.
  Quote:

  “My great grandfather was a marine. My biological father was in the army, served in Vietnam. My stepdad was a marine... after 9/11, I took the opportunity when I graduated high school in 2004 to go in.” — Shane Neal (02:18)

• Loved his time in Marines: Served from 2004–2012, rose to rank of sergeant, discharged due to back injury.
  Quote:

  “Absolutely loved it. If I could do it all over again, I would.” — Shane Neal (03:19)

• Struggle after leaving service: Transition to civilian life was tough and led to further substance issues.

Descent into Addiction

• Alcohol & drugs from early teens: Began drinking at 14, then experimented with drugs before getting clean to join Marines.
  Quote:

  “I started at the age of 14 drinking alcohol... drink throughout high school, started doing drugs at a young age as well. And then I got clean to join the Marine Corps.” — Shane Neal (05:14)

• Continued use in the military: Drank while stationed overseas where the drinking age was lowered to 18.

• Later years escalated to heavier drugs:
  Quote:

  “I was pretty heavy in ketamine. Cocaine.” — Shane Neal (21:19)

Hitting Bottom and Entering Recovery

• Legal troubles & jail time: Recently served three months in jail (even while sober for over a year) due to a combination of a DUI and a probation violation.
  Quote:

  “Took me 38 years to get a DUI. I'm so lucky that I did not hurt anybody else.” — Shane Neal (00:00, 21:29)
  “I just got out October 10th.” — Shane Neal (21:56)

• Path to recovery: Entered rehab after being introduced via another veteran and went through multiple treatment centers, experiencing major internal change at One Method.
  Quote:

  “Once I completely opened up and participating in every meeting group, that's when I could see myself internally changing. A transformation was happening.” — Shane Neal (09:56)

Treatment, Transformation, and Service

• Importance of safe community: Shane credits the supportive environment and focus on group/community healing at One Method for his transformation.
  Quote:

  “You did it all. I just provided a safe space and good, loving people.” — Richard Taite (07:16)

• Found new purpose by helping others: Shane became a source of support and inspiration for other veterans in the program, reinforcing how serving others aids personal recovery.
  Quote:

  “Not only were you being of service to the other servicemen... but to everyone. Like, everybody loved you. You were of service to everybody. And just so that, you know, that's when the shift happens.” — Richard Taite (10:58)

• Continued commitment to mental health: Currently in a mental health treatment center, focusing on sustained healing.
  Quote:

  “I'm not working right now. Strictly focused on treatment. I'm still in it. I'm at Totality Treatment Center.” — Shane Neal (14:13)

Reflections and Future Mission

• Plans to keep serving: Shane expresses a desire to stay in the recovery community, offering support and mentorship to others walking the same path.
  Quote:

  “I want to keep being a service to others.” — Shane Neal (16:52)
  “After being through treatment rehab for as long as I was, I think this is my calling.” — Shane Neal (17:50)

• Striking renewed faith: Shane repeatedly credits God and deep self-work for his transformation.
  Quote:

  “I give it all up to God because he saw that as greatness… opportunity for us to internally look into ourselves.” — Shane Neal (13:45)

Giving Back, even in Jail

• Supporting others behind bars: Even during his jail stint, Shane started groups and church meetings, helping others start their own recovery journeys.
  Quote:

  “I had the opportunity to share my story with the guys in there... and we had a lot of guys come in and change their lives, too.” — Shane Neal (24:22)

Advice for Struggling Veterans

• On asking for help:
  Quote:

  “Find somebody to talk to. Don't stay closed. Let somebody know what's wrong. There's somebody out there that can help everybody. That's what happened to me.” — Shane Neal (20:12)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On recovery work:

  “It's not something you have to do, it's something you get to do. It's the ultimate luxury. It's how elegant men and women deal with their stressors so that they don't create wreckage in their lives.” — Richard Taite (15:00)

• On the future:

  “All the chains are broken. My past has changed. It's time to lead a new me. And I'm focused on that.” — Shane Neal (18:39)

• Marine Corps trivia & humor:

  “November 10, 1775, Philadelphia. In a bar.” — Shane Neal on the founding of the Marines (19:18)
  “As it should be. Where else would it be conceived?” — Richard Taite (19:25)

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Important Timestamps

• Intro to Shane, milestone in sobriety: 00:36 – 01:32
• Military service background: 02:14 – 04:22
• Substance use beginnings and escalation: 05:14 – 06:11, 21:15 – 21:24
• Entry into rehab & turning point: 06:11 – 10:58
• Service to others and group transformation: 10:58 – 13:45
• Current treatment & mindset on ongoing therapy: 14:07 – 15:39
• Reflecting on the future & call to serve: 16:52 – 18:18
• Jail experience, legal challenges: 21:44 – 25:22
• Advice to veterans in trouble: 20:12
• Marine Corps birthday & humor: 19:06 – 19:38

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Episode Closing

The episode closes with Shane’s affirmation of having found himself again and Richard’s encouragement. Both men underscore the ongoing need for community and service, and Shane addresses listeners directly, extending hope and practical advice for those on the brink.

Memorable send-off:

“See you next Tuesday.” — Shane Neal (25:57)

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Summary prepared for listeners seeking insight, hope, or powerful perspective from a veteran’s raw and redemptive recovery journey.

Transcript

[Shane Neal]

Took me 38 years to get a DUI. I'm so lucky that I did not hurt anybody else.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

Was that the court case that you had to go down for?

[Shane Neal]

Yes, sir.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

Is that all behind you now?

[Shane Neal]

It is. I just recently got out of jail. They extradited me back to Texas.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

Wait, wait, you went to jail? In sobriety for three months.

[Shane Neal]

Did.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

If someone has a problem with substance use disorder, please call one call placement. That's 888-831-1581. And if we can't help you, we'll make a referral to someone who can. Please, we're out of time. Okay, everyone, today we have very special guest Shane Neal. Shane Neal is a veteran and he was a client of mine. I've never done this before, but I thought this was an important episode and I asked Shane if it was okay and he was comfortable. So this is new for us. How you doing, buddy?

[Shane Neal]

I'm doing good. Thanks for having me.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

No, the pleasure's all mine, bro. You've been a joy from the very beginning. How long you got sober now?

[Shane Neal]

It's a little over 18 months. 18 months now.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

18 months sober?

[Shane Neal]

Yep.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

And so you came to me 18 months ago?

[Shane Neal]

Yes, sir. At one method, you. You invited me in and came in and changed my life.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

Tell us a little bit about yourself and about your journey.

[Shane Neal]

Oh, man. So I was born and raised in Texas. Midland, Texas. My birthday is actually today. Happy birthday.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

40, 40 years old?

[Shane Neal]

Yep. 30s are done. I see this as a new start and just a blessing coming ahead. And I couldn't ask for anything more.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

Why'd you go to the military?

[Shane Neal]

I joined the military mainly because of my family. We have a history in our family. My great grandfather was a marine. My biological father was in the army, served in Vietnam. My stepdad was a marine. So it's been my family for a long time. And after 9, 11, I took the opportunity when I graduated high school in 2004 to go in.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

So you couldn't wait to go in?

[Shane Neal]

Couldn't wait to go in.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

You were waiting three years to go in.

[Shane Neal]

Yes, sir.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

You're right. Dude, you're the best. You're an absolute hero. That is such a man up thing to do.

[Shane Neal]

Well, thank you so much.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

Yeah. So what branch of the military were you in?

[Shane Neal]

I was in the Marine Corps from April 2004 to April of 2012.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

You loved it?

[Shane Neal]

Absolutely loved it. If I could do it all over again, I would.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

Why don't you?

[Shane Neal]

Got medically discharged and I just got out and started doing My own thing, but found out soon enough that was the wrong thing to do.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

What.

[Shane Neal]

What.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

What was your medical discharge about?

[Shane Neal]

I got. I got hit and hurt my back pretty bad.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

How's your back now?

[Shane Neal]

It's doing okay. Being in the gym every day, just taking proper measures to stretch and do everything I need to do to take care of myself.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

Buddy, if you love that, okay. If you truly love it and the structure and, you know, it's like on a. It's like.

[Shane Neal]

I don't.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

For lack of a better word, it's like a mill. It's on automatic pilot. That's a better word. That's how the military is, right? Systems. And that's comforting for a lot of people. Right? What was your rank?

[Shane Neal]

I was a sergeant when I got out.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

Okay, and you're a sergeant, so you're a boss, right?

[Shane Neal]

Yes, sir.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

And you're serving your country. Why wouldn't you go back and say, I'm healthy now? I want to. I want to go back. I love my country. I want to go back to work.

[Shane Neal]

I just did my time. It was. It was. My time was over, so I had to end that chapter and start a new one.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

Cool. So you don't want to do that again?

[Shane Neal]

I mean, like I said, if I could do it all over again, I would, but it's time for better things now.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

Okay. All right. We'll talk about that off air. Okay. Because we're only responsible for our own happiness. You know what I mean? We've got to be our own advocates. When did you start drinking and using?

[Shane Neal]

Oh, that was early in my life. I started at the age of 14 drinking alcohol. It was just the thing to do. We were just bored, and we just started drinking. Drink throughout high school. Started doing drugs at a young age as well. And then I got clean to join the Marine Corps. And then, of course, being in the Marine Corps, my first duty station was Okinawa, Japan. And when we got over. When I got over there, they switched the drinking age to 18. So, you know, of course I'm gonna divulge, and I sure did that.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

Yeah. Do you do drugs?

[Shane Neal]

No, I did not do drugs.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

You didn't do drugs?

[Shane Neal]

No.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

Okay, good. So when you got to one method, first of all, how'd you get to us? Do you remember?

[Shane Neal]

Oh, man, that's. That's a path that I never thought I would go on. I was training with a guy in the gym who introduced me to the Sparta group in San Diego, and he ended up knowing a guy that worked at Wounded Warriors. No it was my first rehab that I went to in Del Mar, California. And then so I did that for 30 days. And then that's when I got transferred up to one method. And once I got to one method, I was there. And I didn't know why I was there or what to do or anything at that point, but it soon became clear that my life was changing. And I give that all up to.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

You, dude, you did it all. I just provided a safe space.

[Shane Neal]

Yes, sir.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

And good, loving people. You did it all. I want to tell the story about you going down to San Diego. Is that okay?

[Shane Neal]

Go for it.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

And you correct me if I'm misstating anything. Okay? I want to be pulled up. I heard you were leaving, right, to go away for the day, and I was concerned. So I remember calling the. The nurse's office and I said, can you please grab Shane for me? And we FaceTimed. And I saw you. And what did I say to you? I was like, dude, I was like, you're not going to see your probation officer tomorrow looking like that. Are you insane? And then I called Pearson to come give you a haircut and shave your beard and do the whole thing right?

[Shane Neal]

Yeah.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

And when you walked in there, your probation officer did not recognize you, did he?

[Shane Neal]

No, he did not.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

He was blown away.

[Shane Neal]

He was blown away and could tell the transformation that I'd gone through in just a short period of time.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

And what did he tell you?

[Shane Neal]

He just said, I was just doing a good job. Keep doing what you're doing.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

And he transferred you because you did such a good job to a new officer up in LA because he didn't want you to have to drive down to San Diego anymore since you were doing so well.

[Shane Neal]

Yeah, that's correct.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

Dude, I wish I had a before and after picture of you.

[Shane Neal]

Yeah, I'm sure if I could find.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

One somewhere, if I can find one, can we put one up? You can do that because, like, you're gorgeous now. I mean, you're just the best. Okay.

[Shane Neal]

All right.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

How was your experience at One Method? Did you. I mean, did it. Did it feel like home? Did it. Was it hard to get adjusted?

[Shane Neal]

It took me a while to get adjusted for sure. A new place, new surrounding, new people, and me as who I am today or who I was then. At the time, I was really sheltered. I didn't want to participate. I wanted to go. I wanted to leave. But going through the first couple weeks, two weeks, three weeks, I started to open up. I started to soften up, you know, and Once I completely opened up and participating in every meeting group, that's when I could see myself internally changing. A transformation was happening. And when that was happening, I felt. I felt the need to embrace what I was going through and I guess, help other people around me.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

You were doing that, man. Because when I was calling down there all the time, I was being told that the other wounded warriors that we were taking in, because I think I grabbed you. There was a guy for wounded warriors, and he came to meet me at one method, and we didn't have a contract yet, right? But I told him, it doesn't matter. We're gonna have a contract at some point. Just send all the wounded warriors to me, please. Right. And you are one of the first ones we got, you know, and we tried to have three of them in at all times because that's all we could afford. And I was constantly being told that not only were you being of service to the other servicemen that were there, the other veterans, but to everyone. Like, everybody loved you. You were of service to everybody. And just so that, you know, that's when the shift happens. Because when you're of service to somebody and you're genuinely concerned for them and you genuinely want to give them your support and your best thinking. Right? So what's important is you can't. You can't think about your own problems. If you're genuinely all in on being of service to somebody else. It's. It's not possible. Right. And when you are in those groups, you are listening to other people. You finally started listening to other people's share and story and. Right. And when that happens, right. You're genuinely thinking about that person and you're thinking, God, if you would have only done this, God, I wish you would have done that, or some variation of that. And from somebody else's experience, you're learning, and then everyone's learning from you, and it's really a beautiful thing, right?

[Shane Neal]

Yes, that's correct. I guess. I mean, I was. I got really motivated at one point and just started going to the gym every morning, every night, every time I could. The gym in the house, the gym at the house. And people also caught onto that. And, you know, I can just. Everybody there, including myself, you know, we saw it as a setback in our life, but I give it all up to God because he saw that as greatness.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

He saw what.

[Shane Neal]

He saw that as a greatness in us, the great opportunity for us to internally look into ourselves deeply. And once I did that, that's when I was really able to open up and help other people.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

You're helping people now, aren't you?

[Shane Neal]

Doing the best that I can every day.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

Where are you working?

[Shane Neal]

I'm not working right now. Strictly focused on treatment. I'm still in it. I'm at Totality Treatment Center.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

Oh, you're there now?

[Shane Neal]

Yes, sir.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

What are you doing there?

[Shane Neal]

I'm just. I'm doing it for mental right now.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

So you're in a mental health.

[Shane Neal]

Mental health facility. Yeah. Yeah.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

How are you feeling about that?

[Shane Neal]

I feel great. I feel great. It's my third time going through and I never thought I would be doing this for so long myself.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

Oh, dude. Dude. I'm the most over therapized person on the face of the earth. I still do my therapy three times a week.

[Shane Neal]

Yeah.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

And I'm the executive chairman of a healthcare corporation. It's not something you have to do, it's something you get to do. It's the ultimate luxury. It's how elegant men and women deal with their stressors so that they don't create wreckage in their lives.

[Shane Neal]

Yeah. You can't do it alone.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

No. And. And the fact that you've been working on yourself for 18 months, okay, is magnificent because you're still doing the work every day. And it took a. It takes what it takes. You know, some people may go, oh, 18 months and not back to work. They didn't, they didn't see you when you got here?

[Shane Neal]

No.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

Okay. It's a totally different deal, but in six months you'll have a job and then you'll do your best. And then, you know, you'll be pissed about that six months later because you deserve a better job. And that's what happens to all of us. And then you'll go, once you've had enough pain at that job, you'll go find a better job and rinse and repeat and you'll just keep doing that. Okay. That's how I did it. That's how everybody does it. Okay. This is so good, man. How long were you with us for?

[Shane Neal]

I was with y' all for seven months.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

Seven months?

[Shane Neal]

Yes, sir.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

Did anybody ask you to leave?

[Shane Neal]

No one. They wanted me to stay.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

Uh huh. Sure did. And until you're ready, baby. Until you're ready to go.

[Shane Neal]

Yeah.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

But you found another place because you decided you needed a mental health facility.

[Shane Neal]

I did. It was. It was time for a transition. Good for the next step.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

Good for you. You got any ideas for what you want to do? Because I know what you should be doing.

[Shane Neal]

I want to Keep focusing on myself until I'm. Until I know I'm ready. I want to keep helping other people.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

Let's say you're ready in six months. Let's just put it out there. We're not married to anything. Okay? Let's just assume in six months you're ready to go back to work. What do you think you want to do?

[Shane Neal]

I haven't really thought about it. But I do know that I wanted to keep being a service to others.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

You need to be working in treatment, sober living, outpatient, whatever it is. You need to be around alcoholics, okay? Helping them so that you're not thinking about your own. That's what I think you need. Okay. And I think that's what you'd be happy with. I think that would give you self esteem. I think it would give you purpose. Okay. And you'll have a good life.

[Shane Neal]

I think I would really enjoy that. I've thought about it several times. I was in communications outside, climbing poles and doing everything with at&t. But after being through treatment rehab for as long as I was, I think this is my calling.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

Of course it is. Of course it is. It's safe. It's familiar. It's God's work. And it keeps our head. Right. Cause if you and I aren't helping people all the time, we're.

[Shane Neal]

Yep.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

It's a good life, buddy. I swear to God it is.

[Shane Neal]

All the chains are broken. My past has changed. It's time to lead a new me. And I'm focused on that.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

Good for you. What did I leave unsaid? Because I've never done this before, buddy. I've never interviewed a client before. This is not something I would even ask. It's Veteran Month.

[Shane Neal]

And it's Veteran month. Marine Corps, 250th birthday.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

Really?

[Shane Neal]

Yes, sir.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

250 years.

[Shane Neal]

250 years.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

When did it start, do you know?

[Shane Neal]

November 10, 1775, Philadelphia. In a bar.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

In a bar?

[Shane Neal]

In a bar.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

As it should be. Where else would it be conceived?

[Shane Neal]

Who would have thought, right?

[Interviewer / Counselor]

Every alcoholic you would ask. Thank you for being here today.

[Shane Neal]

I've found who I am again.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

What would you tell a veteran who was struggling with alcohol or drugs? Who maybe was on the street or living in his car or on his last leg?

[Shane Neal]

Find somebody to talk to. Don't stay closed. Let somebody know what's wrong. There's somebody out there that can help everybody. That's what happened to me.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

People, I need you to call for help. When you or a loved one is struggling all the time. Doesn't have to be here. I don't care. I'm not missing any meals. Believe it. Okay, you can call the SAMHSA hotline. You go to the SAMHSA website. That's the government website that lists all the rehabs. You go anywhere you want, okay? Do your own research. Ask your doctor what he thinks you know. Gotta go to treatment first. You're lucky, dude, that you were only alcohol and that you weren't doing drugs because.

[Shane Neal]

Oh, I was. I had my fair share of drugs, too.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

When did you stop doing the drugs?

[Shane Neal]

May 25, 2024.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

What were you doing?

[Shane Neal]

I was pretty heavy in ketamine. Cocaine.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

Dude, you're lucky you're not dead, because everything's got all in it now.

[Shane Neal]

Oh, yeah, I got a DUI last St. Patrick's Day. Took me 38 years to get a DUI. But I'm so lucky that I did not hurt anybody else.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

Was that the court case that you had to go down for?

[Shane Neal]

Yes, sir.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

Is that all behind you now?

[Shane Neal]

It is. I just recently got out of jail. They extradited me back to Texas.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

They extradited you? Went to jail for three months.

[Shane Neal]

Three months? I just got out October 10th.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

Wait, wait. You went to jail in sobriety for three months?

[Shane Neal]

Did.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

No, no, no, no, no. We should have led with that. Give me that story. How the hell did that happen? You were. You were on good terms with your probation officer. You went down there, he didn't even recognize you. He said it was the best. You looked great. He sent you back up here so that you didn't have to travel. How the hell did that devolve into time?

[Shane Neal]

Well, I had a previous charge back in 2019. I was almost off of six years probation from that.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

What was that for?

[Shane Neal]

That was for. We'll talk about that later.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

Oh, God. Did you smack somebody?

[Shane Neal]

What's that?

[Interviewer / Counselor]

Do you smack somebody? Yeah. Okay. That's not. Listen, lack of better words, that's not the. That's not the worst thing. All right, Go on.

[Shane Neal]

So then I got a DUI about a month before my probation was up, which popped a warrant in Texas for me, right? So I love Texas.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

They don't fool around.

[Shane Neal]

No. No, they don't.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

I hate California now.

[Shane Neal]

Hate it.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

And I'm leaving.

[Shane Neal]

So, yeah, like I said, I got picked up August 15th. He went down to check in my probation or went. Checked in with my probation officer, got the warrant, and they extradited me back to Texas.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

Right then.

[Shane Neal]

Right then.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

No questions asked, like, no, I can Turn myself in or any of that. You just did a year, Almost a year and a half of rehab.

[Shane Neal]

That's what saved me.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

You didn't even ask me for a letter, did you?

[Shane Neal]

No.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

Why?

[Shane Neal]

Because I knew the treatment that you had put me through would save me, dude.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

You never asked me for a letter.

[Shane Neal]

I had already been through the rehab. I had already been through totality a couple of times. And when the judge saw that I was just. Lucky to get out.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

You should have called me, dude. You should have called me. I would have gone to court with you for sure. I love Texas. I love Texas.

[Shane Neal]

But, I mean, when I was in, I had the opportunity to share my story with the guys in there also, so a lot of guys actually started to go there. We had church every Sunday and every Monday in there, and we had a lot of guys. I had a lot of guys come in and change their lives, too.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

Really? You did that? Any fights in jail?

[Shane Neal]

Not on my behalf.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

Really? You didn't fight with anybody?

[Shane Neal]

No.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

That's new. That's new. You were feeling secure in your own skin, and you were tight and you weren't gonna deal with any of the bs, right?

[Shane Neal]

I was not. I found my freedom and peace through treatment to where I was. So I was comfortable enough to be in there and got along with everybody.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

Horrible experience.

[Shane Neal]

No.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

Good for you. Good for you. I'd be scared to death to go to jail.

[Shane Neal]

It's not that bad.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

How would I have done there? How would I have done that?

[Shane Neal]

It's all how you take it and how you put it into play. Oh.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

That sounded really gangster. All right, big man. You're the greatest thing in the world. I'm so proud of you. I don't even have the words. Thank you. All right. Why don't you look into that camera and say, see you next Tuesday.

[Shane Neal]

See you next Tuesday.

[Interviewer / Counselor]

He said it.

[Shane Neal]

Uh. Oh, we're out of time. Please subscribe on YouTube. Click the thumbs up and leave a comment. Please subscribe on Apple podcast and Spotify and leave a rating and a review and share the we're out of time podcast with others. You know who will get value out of it. See you next Tuesday.