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West of Centre
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We bring you into the Alberta state of mind, to explore how this province’s power is shifting and connect with the western voices driving national debate. Join Calgary’s Kathleen Petty every week as she helps decipher what's happening in Alberta politics for the rest of Canada. Whether you live in the province or just can’t look away, join us every Friday as we go West of Centre.
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The Coutts Diaries (Encore)
1w ago00:35:21Tap to summarize**New episode drops Friday, August 21**ENCORE PRESENTATIONWhat does a kid from Nanton, Alta., write in his private journals after spending his days influencing some of Pierre Elliott Trudeau's most controversial policies?This week on West of Centre, host Kathleen Petty takes a peek into The Coutts Diaries: Power, Politics, and Pierre Trudeau 1973-1981, with the book's editor, Ron Graham. As the prime minister's principal secretary, Jim Coutts was said to have exercised more backroom power than anyone else in modern Canadian political history. He was everywhere that mattered during the Trudeau era 50 years ago, and then went home and wrote a lot of it down.Just as you'd expect from a diary, Coutts' offers juicy insight into exactly what he thought of both Alberta premier Peter Lougheed and Progressive Conservative Party leader Joe Clark. His entries reveal how influential he was as the reviled National Energy Program was being devised in the spring of 1980. And his private anxieties about inflation, affordability, energy prices and Western alienation read like they could have been written today.As Albertans' anger toward Ottawa reached a boiling point, Coutts understood the West's legitimate grievances. But his diaries show he was a strategist first, who prioritized his party's survival no matter the cost to his reputation back home. Host: Kathleen PettyGuest: Ron GrahamProducer: Diane Yanko
Transcribe →'We're not dealing with normal'
2w ago00:33:09Tap to summarizeAs Canada stares down the barrel of fresh U.S. tariffs (50 per cent), there is a realization that the counter-strategies that succeeded in President Donald Trump's first term won't cut it today. For our expert panel, the power to change Trump's mind won't come down to the federal government or Prime Minister Mark Carney. Instead, the pressure will come from America's voters, businesses and political funders.What game is the U.S. playing in targeting products such as Christmas decorations, dog leashes, toilet paper and hockey sticks, while exempting crude oil, potash and critical minerals? Host Kathleen Petty has assembled a couple of the big guns to help make sense of the strategy:Gitane De Silva, executive director of the University of Alberta's Peter Lougheed School of Politics and Democracy; founder and president of GDStrategic; and Alberta's senior representative to the United States from 2016 to 2019. Martha Hall Findlay, a member of Carleton University's expert group on Canada-U.S. Relations; director of the University of Calgary's School of Public Policy; and a former Liberal MP.As Canada contemplates how it may respond, the experts caution there's a big difference between standing strong and hitting back. They say our country needs to stop wishing the U.S. would play fair, and focus on what can actually be done about the trade relationship. They say Alberta is getting greater recognition thanks to the dispute, and that Albertans and Canadians are seeing how each province contributes to the country as a whole.Host: Kathleen PettyGuests: Gitane De Silva, Martha Hall FindlayProducer: Diane Yanko
Transcribe →'We're not dealing with normal'
2w ago00:33:09Tap to summarizeAs Canada stares down the barrel of fresh U.S. tariffs (50 per cent), there is a realization that the counter-strategies that succeeded in President Donald Trump's first term won't cut it today. For our expert panel, the power to change Trump's mind won't come down to the federal government or Prime Minister Mark Carney. Instead, the pressure will come from America's voters, businesses and political funders.What game is the U.S. playing in targeting products such as Christmas decorations, dog leashes, toilet paper and hockey sticks, while exempting crude oil, potash and critical minerals? Host Kathleen Petty has assembled a couple of the big guns to help make sense of the strategy:Gitane De Silva, executive director of the University of Alberta's Peter Lougheed School of Politics and Democracy; founder and president of GDStrategic; and Alberta's senior representative to the United States from 2016 to 2019. Martha Hall Findlay, a member of Carleton University's expert group on Canada-U.S. Relations; director of the University of Calgary's School of Public Policy; and a former Liberal MP.As Canada contemplates how it may respond, the experts caution there's a big difference between standing strong and hitting back. They say our country needs to stop wishing the U.S. would play fair, and focus on what can actually be done about the trade relationship. They say Alberta is getting greater recognition thanks to the dispute, and that Albertans and Canadians are seeing how each province contributes to the country as a whole.Host: Kathleen PettyGuests: Gitane De Silva, Martha Hall FindlayProducer: Diane Yanko
Transcribe →It's all about the math
3w ago00:34:00Tap to summarizeA non-binding trilateral agreement to advance the multibillion-dollar Pathways Project, as part of the push to build a new bitumen pipeline to B.C.'s southwest coast, has now been reached. But in this episode of the podcast, there are serious questions about the math: on emissions, economics, and business case.Host Kathleen Petty is joined this week by three journalists who have all been analyzing this latest MOU:Max Fawcett, lead columnist for Canada's National Observer.Emma Graney, energy reporter for the Globe and Mail.Jason Markusoff, writer and producer for the CBC.Along with some head-scratching when it comes to the math, the panel wonders about the ability to fill the new pipeline. They note the absence of oil company representatives alongside the prime minister and Alberta premier for these major announcements, and question how long the companies will sit on the sidelines. Host: Kathleen PettyGuests: Max Fawcett, Emma Graney, Jason MarkusoffProducer: Diane Yanko
Transcribe →Big tent party
Jun 2600:39:26Tap to summarizeAlberta Premier Danielle Smith and several prominent federal Conservatives, including leader Pierre Poilievre, had a showdown with Calgary's mayor over a local noise bylaw. It was a master class in political communication by Jeromy Farkas, according to one panellist, in a battle with the Conservative political machine over how long and how loudly people are allowed to party in the Stampede city.Sounding off with host Kathleen Petty this week: Alex Boyd, Calgary-based writer for the Toronto Star.Rob Breakenridge, a columnist and podcast host at The Line.Jason Markusoff, producer and writer for the CBC.The panel also dissects the nine referendum questions on immigration and constitutional reforms on the fall ballot in Alberta, musing whether they're moot when voters are being asked to contemplate breaking apart the country. Host: Kathleen PettyGuests: Alex Boyd, Rob Breakenridge, Jason MarkusoffProducer: Diane Yanko
Transcribe →'It's always Band-Aids'
Jun 1900:34:08Tap to summarizeAbout 3.4 million Albertans are eligible to receive a $100 energy rebate. The provincial government says the cash will bring meaningful relief from the pain of the cost of living. But for some on this week's episode, the move doesn't cure what's causing affordability issues in the province.This week, host Kathleen Petty is joined by The Hub's Alberta Edge podcast panellists.Falice Chin, Alberta bureau chief for The Hub.Amber Ruddy, a former Conservative staffer and a vice-president at Counsel Public Affairs.Keith McLaughlin, a former chief of staff for Alberta NDP cabinet ministers and a partner at New West Public Affairs.Also on this episode: disagreement about where the heated rhetoric is headed around Alberta treaty chiefs calling for the RCMP and auditor general to investigate whether the fall referendum amounts to criminal treason by Premier Danielle Smith and her UCP government. However, all agree the option of an early election is a strategic necessity even if it's highly unlikely.Host: Kathleen PettyGuests: Falice Chin, Amber Ruddy, Keith McLaughlinProducer: Diane Yanko
Transcribe →Mixed messages in the argument for federalism
Jun 1200:38:28Tap to summarizeDanielle Smith uses the energy MOU has Exhibit A in her argument for remaining in Canada. Pierre Poilievre uses it as Exhibit A in making his case that the federal government is failing Alberta.Our guests worry that divisions over how to battle separatism could fracture the provincial conservatives and even pose problems for federal conservatives.Host Kathleen Petty is joined by two people with deep ties to the Conservative movement. Ian Brodie is a former chief of staff to Prime Minister Stephen Harper, a political science professor at the University of Calgary, and a senior advisor at New West Public Affairs.Sean Speer served as senior economic policy advisor to Prime Minister Stephen Harper and is editor-at-large at The Hub.Both explore the perils of this debate within the broader Conservative movement.Host: Kathleen PettyGuests: Ian Brodie, Sean SpeerProducer: Diane Yanko
Transcribe →'The art of humility'
Jun 500:30:56Tap to summarizeWest of Centre's citizen panel is back, this time to weigh in on October's referendum, where Albertans will be asked to decide the future of their province within Confederation.Returning to join host Kathleen Petty are Darryl Stanier, who runs a logistics supply chain business; Sunil Shah, an electrical engineer; and Chelsea Matisz, a research scientist. The panel agrees Alberta has legitimate grievances within Confederation. But they disagree on whether the 10 questions Albertans will vote on are necessary. They have differing takes on whether the Alberta-Ottawa memorandum of understanding will lead to a new bitumen pipeline to B.C. One panellist says Premier Danielle Smith is losing the art of humility and the United Conservative Party is governing for its base rather than the majority of Albertans.Host: Kathleen PettyGuests: Chelsea Matisz, Darryl Stanier, Sunil ShahProducer: Diane Yanko
Transcribe →'Primordial politics'
May 2900:34:07Tap to summarizeAs Albertans contemplate an October referendum that will see them choose between the province remaining in Canada or starting the process toward a future binding independence vote, the governing United Conservative Party is starting to show signs of internal strain and vulnerability of its leader, Premier Danielle Smith.The political game in Alberta has changed. The debate around the future of the province has ignited emotion on all sides, and has morphed into "primordial politics," a deeply-entrenched, identity-based attachment to your side.This week on West of Centre, host Kathleen Petty is joined by two long-time observers of politics in Alberta, with deep knowledge of how the political landscape has evolved. Anthony Sayers is a political science professor and director of Canadian governance policy in the University of Calgary's School of Public Policy; and David Stewart is a professor emeritus in the University of Calgary's political science department. Both are frequent collaborators who have co-authored a number of papers and academic book chapters, and they have a new book that will be published this summer, The Dawn of Competitive Party Politics in Alberta: An End to Solitude.In this rare conversation, Sayers and Stewart tap into the past, where the governing Progressive Conservatives enjoyed little opposition until the Wild Rose Party came along and posed a credible threat. But the merging of the parties has pushed the UCP further to the right, forcing the party to keep its base motivated and ready to turn out in an election. They say the UCP is a different party from when Jason Kenney was leader, and even more difficult for Smith to manage. Host: Kathleen PettyGuests: Anthony Sayers, David StewartProducer: Diane Yanko
Transcribe →Door No. 1 or Door No. 2
May 2200:40:02Tap to summarizeLet’s make a deal, Alberta! Will it be door No. 1 or door No. 2? Except there’s no zonk prize, and you’re not allowed to switch. Alberta’s premier has put an end to the speculation about whether voters will get a say on the future of the province. Danielle Smith has announced a tenth referendum question on the ballot in October with two choices: should Alberta remain in Canada or should the provincial government start the process toward a binding referendum on separation? What is the premier’s wager, based on the design of the question? And will anyone be happy with this next move to try to settle an emotional debate happening in the province?It’s one of the topics of discussion this week on West of Centre. Host Kathleen Petty is joined by Matthew Scace, a Calgary-based reporter for the Globe and Mail who covers politics and provincial affairs, and Jason Markusoff, a writer and producer for CBC.Also in this episode, we’re drilling down on the landmark Alberta-Ottawa energy deal, which has now entered the implementation agreement phase. How will industry and investors feel about a referendum on the question of separation pushing uncertainty about the province's future well past October?Amanda Stephenson, Canada energy correspondent for Reuters, and Robert (RJ) Johnston, director of energy and natural resources policy with the University of Calgary’s School of Public Policy, share their analysis. Host: Kathleen PettyGuests: Jason Markusoff, Matthew Scace; Amanda Stephenson, Robert (RJ) JohnstonProducer: Diane Yanko
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