Lena Zorenstein (2:50)

Thank you so much, Shane. I'm so excited to be here.

Jane Costin (2:52)

Biden and Senate Democrats are poised to just edge past the judicial confirmation record Trump and Republicans set during Trump's first term in office. What's the significance of that?

Lena Zorenstein (3:02)

The significance is not only that they are beating Trump's number, but more importantly, they are putting fair minded, well qualified jurists who have a demonstrated commitment to people's civil and human rights. So while there have been and hopefully will be at least 235 judicial confirmations that are attributed to this administration's efforts, where they have prioritized both demographic and professional diversity, that is delivering real results for people. Because we know that when you have nominees who come from all of our communities who have experience in voting rights, reproductive rights, access to health care law, disability law, and so much more, that they are better informing the judicial decisions that they are making that are impacting millions and millions of people's lives. But it's also increasing public trust in the judiciary itself. So not just the quantum quantity, but it's more important the quality of folks that we're seeing get put on the bench.

Jane Costin (3:56)

On that note, are there any particular standouts to you in terms of the people Biden is putting on the federal bench?

Lena Zorenstein (4:01)

Yeah. Well, one thing I want to applaud this president for doing is fulfilling his commitment that he made during the campaign to nominate the first black woman on the U.S. supreme Court, Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson. He not only nominated her for the D.C. circuit, but then also the U.S. supreme Court. So not only is she the first black woman to be on our Supreme Court, she is the first public defender, someone who has worked with people impacting the criminal legal system to be on our courts. We have seen a lot of other people nominated to the courts who have very similar background in terms of helping people navigate the very complex and deeply impactful criminal legal system, but also those who have done a lot of work defending people's voting rights. People like now Judge Dale Ho, who's on the Southern District of New York, or thinking of the reproductive rights advocates. People like now Judge Julie Rickelman, who's serving in the First Circuit. She is someone who advocated for the fundamental Right to abortion in the Dobbs decision, which unfortunately the Supreme Court got wrong, but she was arguing correctly in the law. We also see wonderful judges like Judge Nancy Abudu, who's been confirmed to the 11th Circuit. She is the first black woman to be serving and the first black judge from Georgia to be serving. She is somebody who has worked to help defend and support the voting rights of people accessing healthcare and reproductive healthcare through her tenures at the ACLU and Southern Poverty Law Center. And the list goes, goes on and on and on.

Jane Costin (5:26)

How can these lower court judges influence the shape of federal law?

Lena Zorenstein (5:30)

Well, if anybody ever enters a courthouse, most likely it is going to be at the district court level. But you don't even have to enter a courthouse in order to be impacted by the decisions that district courts and circuit court judges make. Because they are doing the job of interpreting federal law, they are hopefully being informed by law and facts, not necessarily just favor or what their personal preferences may be, but it impacts everything from whether or not somebody can access health care to whether or not they can get an equitable education. So every single one of these judges is issuing thousands of decisions throughout their entire tenure that may or may not actually be your particular individual case, but does impact your life.

Jane Costin (6:12)

Is their influence muted at all given the very conservative bent of the U.S. supreme Court?

Lena Zorenstein (6:17)

So their influence, every single judge is still deciding thousands upon cases that impact people. So while the Supreme Court is nine justices, the majority of whom are taking away many of our fundamental rights or have done so and are threatening to do so based on the types of cases that are coming in front of them soon, we know that the district court judges and the circuit courts are still deciding very real cases for everybody. A lot of the judges that have been put on by the previous administration, this incoming administration, have been selected because of their anti civil and human rights record. And that is something that has been deeply concerning to us. But we know that we have had to fight against that. I think that it is one reason why we are fighting so hard to make sure not only all of the pending nominees that are confirmed or confirmable right now because they're pending, who are fair minded, have a progressive vision of the law, and are dedicated to our civil rights are confirmed and how we're gonna continue to fight. It's the previous generation's fight, it's our generation's fight and it's something that we're gonna continue to have to fight for in order for there to be equal justice.

Jane Costin (7:20)

Now Trump has headed back to the White House and something that was interesting to me is that part of the argument for Trump among Republicans his first term was the list of judges he released during the campaign. That was a big deal, very much a Federalist Society project. He didn't do that this time, and it seemed like no one cared. What opportunities will he have to fill vacancies this time? Because there is a real chance that you could have at least two members of the Supreme Court step down to go hang out on Yats some more.

Lena Zorenstein (7:47)

That's right. I don't know that he had to release a list. What we know is that they were very successful in the first administration in installing a number of these judges who have these very specific agendas in mind. You know, when the President Trump released that list, it was under the promise that these judges, or soon to be justices, would overturn Roe versus Way and take away the fundamental right to abortion. And they did that. A lot of the judges that are on that list are now sitting on our Court of Appeals. Judges like James Ho, who's sitting in the fifth Circuit. He is somebody who I know many are talking about potentially being a future Supreme Court justice. And so it still, we know based on Project 2025, based on what the administration did previously, the types of folks that they are looking for. And it's one reason right now we are fighting so hard to make sure that there are so few of those vacancies that are open for this administration to fill.

Jane Costin (8:44)

Yeah. On that note, speaking about the Supreme Court, you know, there is a chance again that Justices Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito could retire. Both men are deeply conservative. So it wouldn't necessarily reshape the political leanings of the court. But what would it mean for Trump to get five Supreme Court picks as president?

Lena Zorenstein (9:00)

It entrenches how conservative, ultra conservative, that that majority will be decades. It could potentially prolong it by, you know, another generation, which I think is really scary. In my lifetime, you know, the fundamental right to abortion went away. It was revoked by the Supreme Court, and we still have to keep fighting for it. And I want to see that happen in my lifetime, in my mom's lifetime, and so many other people's lifetimes. But really, it is something that is so fundamental in terms of how we're fighting for equal justice for everybody, to make sure that we have jurists who one day will be fighting and working for all of us. And I'm so proud of the confirmation of Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson. And I'm so grateful for Justice Sotomayor and Justice Kagan because I know that they right now are trying to hold on to everything that they possibly can to make sure that the dissents that they are writing, the work that they are doing with their colleagues, is one that hopefully makes it easier for us in the future to have a majority on the Supreme Court that truly reflect all of us and will protect all of our rights.

Jane Costin (10:02)

Lena, thank you so much for being here.

Lena Zorenstein (10:04)

Thank you so much, Jane. I appreciate it.

Jane Costin (10:07)

That was my conversation with Lena Zworenstein, Senior Director of the Fair Courts Program at the Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights. We'll get to more of the news in a moment, but if you like the show, make sure to subscribe. Leave a five star review on Apple Podcasts, watch us on YouTube and share with your friends. More to come after some ads Water Day is brought to you by SimpliSafe. If you ever worry about the safety of your home and family, there's no better time to act. SimpliSafe is a new way to protect your home that stops intruders before they break into your home. My friend and colleague John Lovett installed SimpliSafe himself and he absolutely loves it. That gives me a lot of confidence about how good it is. SimpliSafe is extending its massive Black Friday deal for my listeners this week. Only you can get 50% off any new system with a select professional monitoring plan. This is your last chance to claim their best offer of the year. Head to simplisafe.com whatoday that's simplisafe.com whatoday there's no safe like simplisafe. What a day is brought to you by Aura Frames. Isn't it funny how the people we love the most are also often the hardest to shop for? Luckily, there's one gift that everyone on your list is sure to enjoy. An Aura Digital Picture Frame. Wirecutter called it the best digital photo frame. I took so many photos this year, from a trip to Portugal and France to just bopping around my neighborhood. I want to be able to share all of those photos with my friends and family, and I can do that so easily with an Aura frame. Save in the perfect gift by visiting auraframes.com to get $35 off Aura's bestselling Carver Mat frames by using promo code WAD at checkout. That's a U R A frames.com promo code WAD. Terms and conditions apply. Wadaday is brought to you by Deleteme. So much of your personal data is out there on the Internet for anyone to see even information about your family members all being compiled by data brokers and sold online. All this data hanging out on the Internet can have serious consequences. This is why you should gift a DeleteMe subscription to a loved one. I just got my dad's Christmas list and he doesn't know this yet, but he's getting Deleteme because I get worried about seeing him bopping around the Internet with no protection whatsoever. Today. Get 20% off your delete me plan when you go to joindeleteme.com wad and use promo code WAD at checkout. And now the News Head of Lines.

George Stephanopoulos (12:37)

I'm asking you a very simple question and I answered it. You're shaming me for my political choices. I'm asking you a question about why you endorse someone who's been found liable for rape.

Jane Costin (12:46)

It was not a criminal court. ABC News agreed to pay $15 million Saturday to settle a defamation lawsuit brought by President Elect Donald Trump over comments made by anchor George Stephanopoulos. Trump sued the network in March after that on air exchange between Stephanopoulos and South Carolina Republican Representative Nancy Mace. During the interview, Stephanopoulos said Trump had been found liable of raping writer E. Jean Carroll, which is technically inaccurate. Trump was actually found liable for sexually abusing and defaming Carroll in a civil suit last year. He was ordered to pay Carroll nearly $90 million in two separate civil suits. Trump is appealing both verdicts. As part of the settlement, ABC issued a statement of regret in an Editor's Note online. The network is also responsible for Trump's $1 million attorney fee. The $15 million payout by ABC is considered a, quote, charitable contribution and will go towards Trump's future presidential library. Former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is reportedly recovering from hip replacement surgery after falling down a flight of stairs over the weekend. The 84 year old California congresswoman was hospitalized on Friday during an official visit to Germany. A spokesperson for Pelosi said that she fractured her hip and that the surgery was successful. She's not the only lawmaker that recently took a spill. Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell tripped and fell last week. He sprained his wrist and suffered a cut to the face. The 82 year old senator worked from home on Thursday and GOP leaders insist he's just fine, but it's the latest of many health scares McConnell has had. To date, Pelosi and McConnell's injuries and their old age have renewed the debate over whether Hill lawmakers should have term limits. About a fifth of members of Congress are 70 or older. Only 6% are under 40.

Antony Blinken (14:32)

All of this was unthinkable just a week ago, and it does speak to the promise of this moment. We're determined to work with the Syrian people to shape a future that lives up to that promise.

Jane Costin (14:45)

Secretary of State Antony Blinken said on Saturday that the U.S. has officially made contact with Hayat Tahrir al Sham, the Islamist rebel group that has seized control of Syria. Blinken made the remarks from Jordan after meeting with world leaders to discuss Syria's future. HTS took the world by surprise when it toppled former Syrian President Bashar al Assad and ended his family's brutal, decades long authoritarian regime last week. The group has since called on Syrian refugees from around the world to return home now that the country's civil war has ended. Here's what one Syrian refugee in Turkey told Al Jazeera on Friday.

Unnamed Syrian Refugee (15:19)

The tyranny of over 50 years passed from the father to the son is gone. We can't believe it. It's like a dream. I cried when I found out it was over. Personally, I feel there is a big responsibility to come back and help.

Jane Costin (15:33)

It's unclear whether the rebels can rely on the US as an ally. We talked on the show last week about how HTS is considered a terrorist organization by the US President Elect Donald Trump said that the US should not get involved with Syria. The source of the mystery drone seen flying over New Jersey and other parts of the Northeast in the last few weeks still remains, well, a mystery. Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas said on CNN Saturday. There's nothing to be concerned about.

Alejandro Mayorkas (16:01)

We have not seen anything unusual. We have not seen any unusual activity. We know of no threat. We know of no nefarious activity.

Jane Costin (16:14)

But on the ground, civilians and officials are becoming increasingly frustrated by the lack of answers. New Jersey Republican Representative Chris Smith responded to Mayorkas at a press conference later that day.

Alejandro Mayorkas (16:24)

Is he kidding? How does Secretary Mayorkas, who infamously told us for years that our southern border was secure and closed when we know it's not, and now insult our intelligence that we haven't seen anything unusual? This is usual. I don't think so.

Jane Costin (16:45)

New Jersey Democratic Governor Phil Murphy wrote to President Joe Biden on Friday to ask for more federal resources to investigate the drones. New Jersey Democratic Senator Andy Kim is hunting the drones himself and posting about it on Twitter. He claims they're, quote, almost certainly planes. But still, nobody knows anything for sure about what these drones are or who sent them. One thing we do know though, is that the truth is out there and like the X Files. I do not want to watch it because I'm scared. And that's the news. One more thing. Suffice it to say, I do not think Donald Trump is the smartest person in the world. He is not an all powerful God emperor, as far as I can tell. He is a person who thinks that human civilization peaked when Bloodsport came out in theaters in 1988. But he does seem to have a unique ability. He seems able to convince people to vote for him on the basis that he will do and will simultaneously not do something. He's a liar who lies a lot, and a lot of the stuff he promises doesn't happen, and somehow that's good for him. Case in point, mass deportations. Trump made it very clear he wants to deport everyone here illegally. And in some cases, they're US Foreign family members. Here he is on Meet the Press.

Alejandro Mayorkas (18:17)

Is it your plan to deport everyone who is here illegally over the next four years?

George Stephanopoulos (18:22)

Well, I think you have to do it. And it's a. It's a very tough thing to do.

Jane Costin (18:27)

Remember the Republican National Convention this past summer? Remember the signs given to attendees? It says, mass deportations now. Mass deportations now. Now, if Trump were pretty much any politician of my lifetime, say, George W. Bush or something, and he said that he wanted to deport everyone here illegally, roughly 11 million people just under the population of Ohio, you'd think this politician wants to deport everyone here illegally. And yet this doesn't seem to apply to Trump because he can say he wants to deport everyone here illegally and even give everyone who attends the RNC mass deportation now signs, and people just don't believe him. It seems to me that many people who support him are like this Nevada family of Latino Trump voters who spoke to MSNBC during the election.

Lena Zorenstein (19:16)

When you hear Trump promise mass deportations, do you worry about them?

Jane Costin (19:20)

Yes and no. Because the ones that I know, they're doing good, they're not breaking any laws. I believe he's going to start deporting all the bad people. These voters feel the same way about Donald Trump that I do. Namely, he is a liar who doesn't keep his promises and he won't deport 11 million people. But that's good somehow, and a reason to vote for him. Has there ever been a political figure who benefits more from people not believing he will do the things he repeatedly promises to do? Before we go, here's a YouTube exclusive show I am loving this week. It's called this Fucking Guy from Hysteria, where hosts select one disaster of a person and uncover literally everything in their dark and twisted pasts. They just did a three part series on the worst fucking guy ever, Donald Trump. And this week they're taking on the corporate titan, the retail mogul, the man behind the mask, Jeff Bezos. But that's not all Crooked has to offer. Tommy Vitor and Brian Tyler Cohen have a series together called Liberal Tears where they rank everything political under the sun and whoever loses the draft gets an appropriately humiliating punishment. It's pretty entertaining. There's tons of exclusive content waiting for you on YouTube. Check out the full lineup@crooked.com videos that's all for today. If you like the show, make sure you subscribe. Leave a review Please tell me what the giant drones are and tell your friends to listen. And if you're into reading and not just about how. If you just tell me the giant drones are not here to kill me or harvest my skeleton for weirdo alien reasons, I will handle this information with maturity and a plum like me. Water Day is also a nightly newsletter. Check it out and subscribe@cricut.com subscribe I'm Jane Costen and what are those drone things? Water Day is a production of Crooked Media. It's recorded in a mix by Desmond Taylor. Our associate producer is Raven Yamamoto. Our producer is Michelle Eloy. We have production help today from Tyler Hill, Johanna Case, Joseph Dutra, Greg Walters and Julia Clare. Our senior producer is Erica Morrison and our executive producer is Adrian Hill. Our theme music is by Colin Gilliard and Kashaka.

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