Podcast Summary: "Can Big Oil Grease The Courts?"

Podcast: What A Day
Host: Jane Coaston
Guest: Mike Mino, Communications Director, Center for Climate Integrity
Date: March 16, 2026
Duration: ~20 minutes

Episode Overview

In this episode, host Jane Coaston explores the growing entanglement between Big Oil and the U.S. legal system, focusing on a pivotal Supreme Court case that could determine whether oil companies can be held liable by local governments for climate damages. The discussion is anchored amid skyrocketing oil prices driven by war in Iran, revealing the perils of fossil fuel dependence and the extensive political and legal maneuvers employed by the oil industry to avoid accountability. Jane is joined by Mike Mino from the Center for Climate Integrity to unpack the mechanics, stakes, and wider implications of the Boulder County lawsuit against ExxonMobil and Suncor Energy.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Context: Geopolitics, Oil Prices, and Policy Paralysis

• Oil Prices Soaring:
  The ongoing war in Iran has closed the Strait of Hormuz, a vital oil transfer point, causing global prices to surge past $100 a barrel.

  "[The war] has essentially closed the Strait of Hormuz, the world's most important oil transfer point. Because of that, oil prices are now over $100 a barrel and threatening to go even higher."
  — Jane Coaston, 00:55

• Official Non-Answers:
  U.S. Energy Secretary Chris Wright and administration officials dodge questions about how high prices might go and when relief might come.

  "That was not a no. ... So that's not ideal."
  — Jane Coaston, 01:48, 02:10

Why Is the U.S. Still So Reliant on Oil?

• Missed Opportunities:
  Despite crises, the U.S. has not accelerated a shift to renewables, in part due to administration hostility to green energy and support for fossil fuels.

  "[T]he odds of the Trump administration suddenly pivoting to invest in renewable energy are pretty much zero."
  — Jane Coaston, 02:13

The Lawsuit: Boulder County v. ExxonMobil & Suncor Energy

• Nature of the Lawsuit:
  Boulder County and others are suing oil giants for deceiving the public about the dangers of fossil fuels and demanding they pay for climate damages (e.g., wildfires like 2021’s Marshall Fire).

  "These companies knew they were selling a harmful product. They lied to protect their profits. And now communities like Boulder are saying they need to be held accountable and pay for the damages that their deception has caused."
  — Mike Mino, 03:40

• Comparison to Tobacco and Opioid Lawsuits:
  The legal strategy is to parallel previous litigation where companies knowingly misled the public about their products’ dangers.

  "We have a well-documented body of evidence that shows ... as early as the 1970s, ... if we didn't stop using fossil fuels, it could lead to potentially catastrophic events."
  — Mike Mino, 05:25

The Supreme Court's Involvement

• Why the Supreme Court?
  Oil companies petitioned for the Supreme Court to intervene, arguing these state/local lawsuits in effect set national policy and should be preempted by federal law.

  "[Oil companies] are terrified of standing trial in these cases. ... They're staring at billions and billions of dollars in liability."
  — Mike Mino, 06:32

• Court Skepticism:
  The Supreme Court added a jurisdiction question, signaling some internal doubt about whether it's appropriate to intervene now.

  "...there are really signs that the justices internally might have doubts that they should even be weighing in on this issue yet."
  — Mike Mino, 07:31

Big Oil's Political and Legal Playbook

• White House Lobbying:
  Oil executives identified climate lawsuits as a top concern directly to President Trump, prompting an executive order for DOJ intervention.

  "One of the top concerns oil executives brought directly to President Trump ... were lawsuits exactly like Boulder’s."
  — Mike Mino, 08:49

• Congressional Immunity Push:
  Oil companies are working with Republican lawmakers for legislation that would shield them from climate liability.

  "The American Petroleum Association ... said that killing these types of lawsuits is their top priority for 2026."
  — Mike Mino, 09:52

• The Larger Point:
  Despite expectations, the second Trump term hasn’t resulted in as much unfettered industry advantage due to international constraints and legal complications.

Root Causes: Decades of Misinformation

• Why We’re Still Dependent:
  Big Oil’s coordinated disinformation campaign stalled climate action and left the U.S. exposed to crises like today.

  "They launched this unprecedented, consequential, massive deception campaign to spread climate denial and disinformation and stall the clean energy transition..."
  — Mike Mino, 11:21

• The Costs:
  Current climate damages—“somewhere in the neighborhood of a trillion dollars a year”—fall on taxpayers, not the companies responsible.

  "All those costs right now are falling on taxpayers while the companies that knowingly caused the problem lied about it and continue to deceive the public."
  — Mike Mino, 12:08

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Jane Coaston on Official Obfuscation:

  "That was not a no." (in response to Energy Secretary Chris Wright’s evasions)
  (01:39)

• Mike Mino on Industry Knowledge:

  "They knew decades ago… if we didn’t stop using fossil fuels, it could lead to potentially catastrophic events."
  (05:23)

• Mike Mino on Why Big Oil Fights Accountability:

  "They're terrified of standing trial… they're staring at billions and billions of dollars in liability."
  (06:31)

• Jane Coaston on Why This Matters:

  "But I think the wider thing I think everyone should be thinking about is why are we so reliant on oil?"
  (10:29)

Important Timestamps

• 00:55 – Impact of Iran war and oil price surge
• 01:19 - 02:10 – Energy Secretary evades on price spike
• 03:26 – Introduction of Boulder v. Exxon lawsuit
• 03:40 - 05:23 – Legal parallels to tobacco/opioids; evidence of deception
• 06:31 - 07:31 – Supreme Court involvement; oil companies’ legal arguments
• 08:49 – Oil executives’ lobbying at the White House
• 09:52 – Congressional push for immunity legislation
• 11:19 - 12:08 – The consequences of decades of Big Oil deception

Conclusion

This episode gives a clear, urgent look at how the fossil fuel industry is leveraging both the highest court and Congress to escape blame—and costs—for climate change. Through concrete examples, expert analysis, and pointed questioning, listeners understand the stakes of Boulder County's lawsuit, the depth of oil industry influence, and the long-term implications for U.S. climate policy and everyday Americans. The episode closes with a call to reexamine the nation's relationship with Big Oil, the urgent costs of inaction, and a reminder that those responsible for climate damages often escape paying for them.

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