Do Democrats Need to Fight Dirty?

Summary

What A Day — “Do Democrats Need to Fight Dirty?” Episode Summary (July 10, 2026)

Main Theme & Purpose This episode, hosted by Jayden Costin, dives deep into the ongoing debate over how Democrats need to approach political power in today’s era of hardball Republican tactics and Trump-dominated politics. Progressive YouTuber and author Brian Tyler Cohen joins to discuss his new book, The Day: How to Wield Power in a Post-Trump World, and to articulate why, in his view, Democrats must stop being overly deferential to institutions and start fighting to achieve real outcomes, rather than relying on old norms.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Opening News & Political Updates ([01:11]–[04:47])

• The episode opens with major news: controversy over ICE’s fatal operation in Texas, Trump’s dismantling of the Election Assistance Commission, the Iran assassination plot, and Trump’s stalling of a housing bill.
• Jayden notes that many Democratic candidates now run against both Republicans and their own party’s old ways, given the perception that Democrats too often prioritize bipartisanship over results.

Why “Playing Nice” Doesn’t Work ([04:49]–[06:30])

• Brian’s book argues that Democrats are “too nice,” which hinders their effectiveness. He draws a comparison:

  “Democrats like to signal their virtues while Republicans like to swagger their virility.” (Jayden quoting Brian, [04:49])

• Brian insists that Democrats, when in power, prioritize protecting institutions rather than driving outcomes on policy.

  “There’s this sense that when Democrats actually get into power that they are there to protect the institutions, not to usher in some outcomes.” (Brian, [05:14])

• He argues that Trump’s disregard for norms has shown how much can be accomplished—or undone—by simply bulldozing procedural obstacles. Democrats should be just as decisive, but for causes like healthcare, voting rights, and climate.

Breaking Norms & The Dilemma of Institutions ([05:52]–[07:43])

• Jayden introduces Chesterton’s Fence—the idea that institutions exist for a reason, and removing them without understanding may cause regret.
• Brian responds forcefully:

  “I don’t think Democrats should not do something...for fear of Republicans abusing that power at some untold point in the future. Like they’re abusing it now. We’re watching democracy fall right now.” (Brian, [06:30])

• He points out Republicans have de facto eliminated the filibuster for things they care about (judges, tax cuts) while leaving it intact for Democratic priorities, resulting in gridlock on progressive issues.
• He concludes, Democrats are in a “break glass scenario” for democracy’s survival, and must act creatively and aggressively.

What Kind of Democrats Should Run? ([10:57]–[13:53])

• After the ad break, Jayden criticizes the notion that Democrats should only run “buttoned-up” candidates, citing examples like Jon Ossoff and James Talarico.
• Brian rejects a one-size-fits-all approach.

  “Democrats have to be okay with running candidates who resemble the districts they’re running in... That’s okay. The curse and the blessing of a big tent party is that we’re gonna have to be okay with... people that look really different from each other.” (Brian, [11:24])

• He notes the GOP’s “homogenous tent” versus the Democrats’ diversity of faith, background, and approach, arguing that “running people and electing people that look really different from each other” is necessary for a national party.

The Limits of “Fighting Back” & The Risk of Bad Candidates ([13:01]–[15:38])

• Jayden references “smooth groin candidates” as described by Ken Klippenstein, and discusses the pitfalls of valorizing fighters without principles.

  “Sometimes you wind up getting an asshole.” (Jayden, [13:53])

• Brian acknowledges no perfect formula exists for the right candidate, but stresses that modern Democrats must adapt to the media ecosystem—comfortable online, dynamic, and not simply entrenched in the status quo.
• He emphasizes the importance of anti-establishment appeal and a willingness to challenge the norms that have failed voters.

Are We Seeing a “Democratic Tea Party”? ([15:38]–[17:05])

• Jayden asks if the Democrats are experiencing their own insurgent movement, similar to the Tea Party on the right.
• Brian agrees in part, but insists the hope is for change to become party-wide, not just a factional aberration. He returns to the “Charlie Brown/Lucy” analogy on futility and trust in the old system.

  “I do hope that even the more establishment figures... adopt this general sense of a fight to get where you need to go... incrementalism is not enough.” (Brian, [16:42])

How to Win Back Voters—and Deliver ([17:05]–[19:11])

• If Democrats regain power, what’s the next step to regain trust and represent all Americans—including ex-Trump voters?
• Brian says delivering on promises is key. He points out that Trump thrived by addressing granular economic concerns, but his policies did the opposite of what he promised.

  “If you have Democrats in office who decide not just to say the right things, but to do the right things, I think that’s gonna be a huge step... showing them what effective governance for working class Americans actually looks like.” (Brian, [18:32])

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• “We’re watching democracy fall right now.”
  — Brian Tyler Cohen ([06:30])
• “Democrats have to stop being so deferential to norms and traditions and institutions and processes and procedures.”
  — Brian Tyler Cohen ([05:14])
• “The curse and the blessing of a big tent party is that we’re gonna have to be okay with... people that look really different from each other.”
  — Brian Tyler Cohen ([11:24])
• “Incrementalism is not enough to satisfy people. And again, that you have to be in government not to defend the institutions, but rather to deliver outcomes.”
  — Brian Tyler Cohen ([16:42])
• “People will lie, but the numbers don’t.”
  — Brian Tyler Cohen ([18:58])

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [01:11] — ICE shootings, Trump’s election board moves, and context for Democratic “fight” narrative.
• [04:49] — Beginning of interview (Why Democrats’ niceness holds them back).
• [05:52] — Chesterton’s Fence and the risk of dismantling institutions.
• [06:30] — Arguments for breaking through old norms; real-time threats to democracy.
• [10:57] — Running candidates who fit diverse districts, not just polished or traditional ones.
• [13:53] — Risks of valorizing “fighters” without values or scrutiny.
• [15:38] — Are Democrats having their own Tea Party moment?
• [17:31] — How Democrats can regain voters and trust by delivering tangible results.

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Tone & Language

• The episode is direct, combative and irreverent (“This guy seems stable”), but also thoughtful and analytical, in keeping with “What a Day’s” promise of substantive, hype-free reporting laced with sharp humor.
• Both host and guest use metaphors, pop culture references, and vivid language (“barrel through hurdles,” “smooth groin candidates,” “break glass scenario”) to make political arguments more relatable.

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In Summary

Brian Tyler Cohen and host Jayden Costin challenge the idea that Democrats should continue playing by old rules while their opponents increasingly do not. They argue for boldness, creative tactics, and authenticity—both in policy and in candidate selection. The “fight dirty” question frames not a call for lawlessness, but for Democrats to recognize the stakes, adapt to the media age, and unapologetically strive for outcomes that benefit ordinary Americans, even if it means breaking with tradition. The answer, says Cohen, is to “show, not tell,” the electorate what effective, progressive governance actually looks like.

Transcript

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

I don't think Democrats should not do something, should prevent themselves from doing something for fear of Republicans abusing that power at some untold point in the future like they're abusing it now. We're watching Democracy Fall right now.

[Jayden Costin]

I'm Jayden Costin and this is what a day. The show congratulating Colorado's Victor Marks on winning the GOP gubernatorial primary on Thursday. He's a self described high risk humanitarian who has claimed the he killed a man when he was 7 years old, called in military airstrikes on 70 ISIS fighters as a civilian, but won't explain how exactly, and does exorcisms over the phone. In short, he's a perfect Republican gubernatorial candidate. On today's show, we Talked to progressive YouTuber Brian Tyler Cohen about his new book and how Democrats need to stop playing nice and start playing to win. Before we get into all that, here's what we're following today. Friday, July 10th he did not deserve to die. He did not deserve to be reduced

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

to a headline of Mexican Man Shot

[Jayden Costin]

and Killed by ice. He deserved to quit to live a quiet life as Lorenzo Salgado Araujo. That was Ronaldo Salgado on Wednesday, speaking the day after his father, Lorenzo Salgado Araujo was killed by Immigration and Customs Enforcement during an operation in Houston, Texas. ICE said he was targeted because he was living in the country without legal status and that he attempted to ram an agent with his vehicle who then fired his weapon in self defense. According to the Department of Homeland Security, Salgado Araujo's car struck an ICE vehicle. But that story fell apart on Thursday when Texas Democratic Representative Silvia Garcia said Salgado Araujo, a Mexican national, was not the person federal authorities had been targeting in the operation. The Washington Post also reported the men who were with Salgado Araujo said ICE rammed vehicles into their van and he never used his vehicle against ICE. As a result of Salgado Araujo's killing, Mexico will request criminal charges over 17 Mexicans who died in ICE custody or during immigration enforcement operations by the Trump administration. President Donald Trump dismantled a bipartisan board that oversees elections on Thursday, weeks after the Supreme Court gave him more power to overhaul agencies. The Election Assistance Commission had resisted Trump's efforts to require would be voters to document their U.S. citizenship before registering. Its job is to distribute federal grants to states, oversee the testing of voting systems and maintain the national voter registration form, california Democratic Senator Alex Padilla and New York Democratic Representative Joe Morelli wrote in a statement that the move four months before the midterms is a blatant part of his plan to politicize our elections. According to the Wall Street Journal, Israel told the US that Iran hatched a new plot to kill Trump. That might explain why he randomly brought up the possibility at the NATO summit on Wednesday. I'm number one on the kill list for Iran. I like being number one on TikTok better, but I'm number one on the list for killing. I have more questions. Trump said that he's refusing to sign Congress's bipartisan housing bill because lawmakers refused to pass his super controversial Save America act to overhaul election. His supposed concern that Democrats could terminate the filibuster if they take power. Trump even ranted on Truth Social, quote, I will no longer be able to call them Democrats again. The title of dumb will revert to the Republicans. This guy seems stable. As long as Trump doesn't change his mind and veto the bill, it will become law at midnight Eastern. You know, since Trump has no record of flip flopping because again, he's super stable. And that's the news. Let's talk about what Americans want from the Democratic Party. A lot of voters want fighters in the battle against Trump and the Trumpified Republican Party. And it's pretty obvious why. While Donald Trump does pretty much anything he wants and Republicans talk about how great and manly and also very smart and handsome he is, it feels like Democrats are stuck. Even when Democrats control Congress and the White House, it feels like they focus more on making common cause with Republicans than on getting anything done. So it's no wonder that a whole host of Democratic candidates this year are running not just against the Republican opposition, but against Democratic Party business as usual. Brian. Tyler Cohen is a progressive YouTuber who thinks that if and when Democrats win back the White House in 2029, they need to take the office they've won and run with it. His new book, the Day how to Wield Power in a Post Trump World, comes out next week. We talked about what it means for Dems to fight back in the Trump era. Brian, welcome to Water Day.

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

Thanks for having me. Let's do it.

[Jayden Costin]

So your book, if I could summarize it, you get to the point on page 28, which is that you make the argument that Democrats are too nice and it stops them from getting anything done. You wrote, quote, the political truth is this, Democrats like to signal their virtues while Republicans like to swagger their virility. And you make the comparison of like, Lucy will never help you kick the football so what do you think Democrats need to change?

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

I think Democrats have to stop being so deferential to norms and traditions and institutions and processes and procedures. The filibuster, the parliamentarian. There's this sense that when Democrats actually get into power that they are there to protect the institutions, not to usher in some outcomes. And we have to get past that. Like, if Trump has shown us anything, it's that you can barrel through a lot of these hurdles and barriers that. That have been erected. Problem is that Trump has done it for self enrichment. My argument is that Democrats need to do it for healthcare, for voting rights, for climate change, you name it.

[Jayden Costin]

Brian, have you heard of the idea of Chesterton's fence?

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

No, I haven't.

[Jayden Costin]

So it's this idea of like, if you see a fence somewhere and you just knock it down, you probably will then find out why the fence was there in the first place. So like the parliamentarian, the filibuster. There's a reason I think people would argue those people include me, that those things are there and that we would knock them down and then be like, wow, I sure do wish we had the filibuster again. How do you think about that? Trump knocking through things to do bad things is bad, but also knocking through those things is also bad.

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

I don't think Democrats should not do something, should prevent themselves from doing something for. For fear of Republicans abusing that power at some untold point in the future. Like they're abusing it now. We're watching democracy fall right now. The filibuster's already gone. For Republican priorities, there is no filibuster for tax cuts. There is no filibuster for judges. Those are the two things that Trump and Republicans care about. What there is a filibuster intact for is climate change legislation, increased minimum wage, healthcare legislation. I mean, all of the things that would benefit the vast majority of Americans. And so I think that we are in the worst case scenario, we are in the break glass scenario right now. And if Democrats don't think of a more creative way around this stuff so that we can actually protect and restore some semblance of democracy, then we might be in a position where we lose it altogether. I mean, a lot of the things that Trump is doing right now is, as he himself says, to protect and entrench a Republican majority for 100 years. So these are not people who have any adherence to the concept of democracy. These are people who are only looking to consolidate their power forever.

[Jayden Costin]

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[Jayden Costin]

Let's get back to my conversation with Brian Tyler Cohen. So some of this would mean that Democrats would not only have to act differently, but they need to run different candidates. And I think that there's this idea that Democrats need to run very buttoned up candidates like James Talarico or Jon Ossoff to win. Do you agree with that?

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

No, not necessarily. I think somebody, I heard somebody online describe them as smooth, growing candidates. Just like these.

[Jayden Costin]

Yes.

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

These long like people who for their entire lives knew that they were going to run for office and so made sure not to make any missteps. I actually don't, I don't think that's the case with like Jon Ossoff. I think he's a really compelling candidate. I think Democrats have to be okay with running candidates who resemble the districts that they're running in. And that's going to look different in Texas than it's going to look in New Jersey and New York than it's going to look in Maine or Michigan. And I think that's okay. Like there are people for whom a more buttoned up candidate, I mean, James Talarico is, Is highly religious. Would that work in a place like New York? Probably not. I can't imagine that that, that would be what gets out of the primary. But obviously especially effective in a place like Texas. That's okay. Like the, the, the curse and the blessing of a big ten party is that we're gonna have to be okay with, with running people and electing people that look really different from each other. The Republicans have the benefit of having a really homogenous tent. Their only longstanding principle is adherence to whatever Trump has said that morning. I mean, Trump has flip flopped on his own priorities in the course of the of days. I mean, he was for the housing bill until he wasn't. Now he won't even sign his own housing bill, something that he promised in the campaign trail. He was against war until he engaged in a war with Iran. Now he won't end it. So I think that having different candidates running in different places who look vastly different from one another, who espouse different ideas is okay. It's going to be more frustrating, I think, for the general electorate, but I think we have to be more tolerant of people who look and sound differently.

[Jayden Costin]

It's funny you reference the smooth groin thing because that was a piece written by Ken Klippenstein in favor of Graham Platner. And in a lot of ways, Graham Platner kind of fit the bill of a Democrat who is running for his area. A candidate running on the concept of change, that he's imperfect, but he's different. It's a redemption story and he would fight hard for the people of Maine. Obviously that seems to have not worked out as anyone would have wanted to. So when we're thinking about what an ideal candidate looks like, how and where should Democrats draw the line? Because there's a real temptation, and I think you and I have both seen it to say, like, we're looking for, you know, someone who's gonna talk tough, someone who's going to fight back, but also, like, sometimes you wind up getting an asshole.

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

Yeah, look, there's not going to be some perfect prescription on what, what a candidate should look like or sound like. I think that, I think that Graham Platner resonated because in large part, he was a dynamic, charismatic candidate who also espoused like, a good deal of anti establishment sentiment that I think is, is popular right now. Obviously, you know, he lied about, about the, the baggage that he held, which would eventually come out. But look, I don't think that there's going to be like one perfect type of candidate. I think that generally you, you want to run candidates who are going to be able to operate in this media ecosystem, who are comfortable talking online, because that's where the vast majority of people get their information. Now, more people get their news from YouTube than they do from linear TV and, and who are willing to not be in office to protect a status quo that I think so many people have railed against. That will look like Graham Platner, that will look like Zorn Momdani, that will look like a whole raft of people who are running right now against the establishment, who don't necessarily sound identical to each other. Even James Talarico, you know, certainly doesn't sound like Rand Platner, but is kind of running on this same idea that we need a government that operates democracy differently than how it's operated before, a Democratic Party that's operated differently from how it's operated before. And so I think you can have, you can have that diversity in, in, in what it looks like. But yeah, I mean, look, Graham Platner had specific baggage, I think to him, but he doesn't own. He doesn't own this idea of what a New Democrat in 2026 and beyond looks like.

[Jayden Costin]

Brian, do you think we are in the middle of a Democratic Tea Party movement? At the Tea Party, which was focused on the Republican establishment, has failed us. We have to get these bums out. We need to find candidates who don't sound practiced. We have to do anything possible not just to beat the opposing party, but to beat members of our own party. Is that where we are?

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

I think so. But I also think that, you know, the Tea Party was a separate entity from the Republican Party. Like there was still, there was still a big swath of the Republican Party that existed separate from the Tea Party. I hope that what's happening on the left right now is not like an aberration. It's not a, not a bug, but a feature. I hope that the rest of the party, even those establishment folks, recognize that having blind deference to, to our institutions and norms is going to get you nowhere. Like how many times does Lucy have to put the football away from Charlie Brown before, before he starts to recognize that she's not going to let him kick it. And so I do hope that even the more establishment figures that remain in Congress who haven't been primaried or who haven't retired, I hope that they adopt this general sense of a fight to get where you need to go and B, incrementalism is not enough to satisfy people. And again, that you have to be in government not to defend the institutions, but rather to deliver outcomes.

[Jayden Costin]

Let's talk about the midterms and let's say Democrats pull it off, win back Congress, Senate, in the House, they will still be governing millions of Americans who voted for Trump. What do you think Democrats need to do to convince the American people that they will fight for them harder than the Republican Party? And I think, more importantly, that they will represent them better than the Republican Party.

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

I think if you, if you just deliver for people on the campaign promises you've made, that would be a really big step in the right direction. Like Trump garnered the support of a lot of people because he rightfully tapped into a sense of anger that the little guy wasn't being paid attention to. He talked about housing, he talked about rent, he talked about groceries. He got so granular that he was talking about the price of eggs. And yet, since he's taken office, we have seen, because he launched a trade war, prices go up because he decided to engage in war with Iran, gas prices rise and inflation go up because he decided to direct his DOJ to suppress the Epstein files. Those not get released because he decided to sign the Republicans one big beautiful bill. Healthcare get gutted, food assistance get gutted. So this stuff isn't happening in a vacuum. It is a deliberate policy choice. If you have Democrats in office who decide not just to say the right things, but to do the right things, I think that's gonna be a huge step in the right direction because it will be undeniable. And when housing costs go down because you have a Democrat who deigns to sign the bill that Trump ran on, when you have grocery prices that go down because we're not engaged in a trade war anymore, clothing prices go down, electricity and, and energy prices that go down, that stuff will be undeniable. So I think in terms of, in terms of being able to garner the support from a lot of people who we've lost, people will lie, but the numbers don't. And so I think once they see a lot of these, a lot of these bills and costs, the stuff that they're contending with start to ameliorate a little bit. I think that that's gonna be a good step in the right direction in terms of showing people, not telling them, but showing them what effective governance for working class Americans actually looks like.

[Jayden Costin]

Brian, thank you so much for joining me.

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

Thanks for having me.

[Jayden Costin]

That was my conversation with Brian Tyler Cohen, author of the Day how to Wield Power in a Post Trump World, out July 14. We'll link to his book in the show. Notes before we go. If you love women, and who doesn't, hysteria is the place for you this week. Aaron and Alyssa dissect the fallout from the latest Graham Platner allegations the vital status of Mitch McConnell and the BS Americans endured in the name of freedom. 250 Then they discuss the National Institute for Reproductive Health teaming up with Olivia Rodrigo's All Female Music Festival. Tune into Hysteria on YouTube or wherever you pod now. That's all for today. If you like the show, make sure you subscribe, leave a review, be more like Neil the Seal and tell your friends to listen. And if you're into reading and not just about Neil, the 2,400 pound Southern Elephant seal who has spent his bi yearly trip to his birthplace fighting with traffic signs and sleeping in the middle of the road like me. What a Day is also a nightly newsletter. Check it out and [e-mail] subscribe I'm Jane Kosten and and we should all be Neil Maxing becoming larger, more ungovernable and prone to taking naps in places no one wants us to nap. Waterday is a production of Crooked Media. Our show is produced by Caitlin Plummer, Emily Foer, Erica Morrison and Adrienne Hill. Our team includes Hayley Jones, Greg Walters, Matt Berg, Joseph Dutra, Johanna Case, and Desmond Taylor. Our music is by Kyle Murdoch and Jordan Kanter. We had help today from the Associated Press. Our production staff is proudly unionized with the Writers Guild of America East.

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