For Hegseth, It’s One Military Under God

Summary

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Podcast Summary: What A Day – "For Hegseth, It’s One Military Under God"

Host: Jane Coaston | Guest: Michelle Boorstein, Washington Post Religion Reporter
Date: April 6, 2026
Duration: ~24 minutes

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Main Theme / Purpose

This episode explores the controversial fusion of Christian nationalism and military policy under Secretary of War Pete Hegseth in the Trump administration. Host Jane Coaston interviews Washington Post religion reporter Michelle Boorstein about the ways Hegseth is infusing explicit evangelical Christian references into the culture and policy of the U.S. Armed Forces, raising alarm within the military and beyond about issues of inclusion, religious freedom, and the justification of the ongoing war with Iran.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Easter — Faith as a Global and National Force (00:04–01:24)

• Opening: Jane Coaston opens with global Easter observances, noting Pope Leo XIV’s call for peace at the Vatican.
  • Quote (Pope Leo XIV, via Reuters):
    "Let those who have weapons lay them down. Let those who have the power to unleash wars choose peace. Not a peace imposed by force, but through dialogue, not with the desire to dominate others, but to encounter them." (01:08)
• Contrast drawn with U.S. use of religion in politics, particularly as a justification for policy and military action.

2. Christian Nationalism in the Pentagon (01:24–02:32)

• Jane Coaston: The Trump administration, and especially Secretary of War Pete Hegseth, is actively promoting Christian nationalism in military culture and policy, eliciting deep concerns both inside and outside the armed services.
• Hegseth frames the war in Iran as "favored by God," using explicitly Christian rhetoric.
  • Quote (Hegseth, March Pentagon Press Conference):
    "May Almighty God continue to bless our troops in this fight. And again, to the American people, please pray for them every day... in the name of Jesus Christ." (02:07)
• Over 200 complaints from military members reported by the Military Religious Freedom Foundation about overt Christian rhetoric in official communications.

3. Hegseth’s Religious Views and Influence (03:27–04:35)

• Guest Segment with Michelle Boorstein:
  • Hegseth comes from an evangelical background and now belongs to a highly conservative, "dominionist, patriarchal" denomination (Doug Wilson, Moscow, Idaho), advocating for male headship and deep Christian nationalism.
  • The denomination’s pastor even suggests restricting women's voting rights within families, highlighting the extremity of beliefs shaping Hegseth's policy approach.
  • Michelle Boorstein:
    "He’s part of a very conservative part of evangelical Protestantism." (03:36)

4. Evangelical Services & Policy Shifts in the Military (04:35–06:34)

• Hegseth is hosting Pentagon evangelical worship services—unprecedented in modern history for a Secretary of Defense to lead.
  • Rapid reduction in recognized military faith codes (from ~200 to 30), eliminating formal acknowledgment and support for minority faiths or those with no faith.
  • Suspended the Army Spiritual Guide, which was deemed "too therapeutic" and not "religious or theological" enough.
  • Michelle Boorstein:
    "To have somebody in his position making these kind of theological decisions is really unprecedented in modern times." (05:43)

5. Troop Reactions & Culture of Exclusion (06:34–08:22)

• Military is religiously diverse; presence of religious pluralism is visible (e.g., at Arlington National Cemetery).
• Many service members feel sidelined or excluded if they don’t share Hegseth’s evangelical views. Reports of chaplains being left out of meetings, high-ranking officers feeling the need to depart rather than serve under the new regime.
  • Quote (recounted by Boorstein):
    "I spoke to an army general who said... they had been in the service for 30, 40 years and were just waiting to get out because they were so disturbed by this pattern." (07:54)

6. Faith as War Justification (08:22–09:41)

• Reports detail how leaders are using religious, specifically Christian, framing to justify military action in Iran, alarming both rank-and-file and external watchdog groups.
  • Over 200 complaints about war being described as a crusade/anointing by Jesus.
  • Highlights fear of identification and retaliation—most complaints are anonymous.

7. What Makes This Moment Different? (09:41–10:57)

• Past presidents (FDR, Eisenhower) invoked general religious sentiment during war, not explicit Christian scriptures.
• Hegseth’s use is direct, scriptural, and exclusive, in a time when the U.S. military and society are more diverse than ever.
  • Historic progress on religious accommodations (e.g., for Sikh service members) is seemingly being reversed.

8. Is This a Holy War? Establishment Clause Erosion (10:57–12:11)

• Boorstein: The language may reflect genuine belief among officials that the Iran conflict is a holy war; regardless, its use seems purposeful.
• Supreme Court decisions have weakened the "establishment clause," emboldening officials to disregard church-state separation.
  • Quote (Boorstein):
    "The floodgates kind of opened in recent years because of some court rulings..." (11:34)
    "If you look at his body tattoos and his memoir, he definitely seems to believe that there is a crusade of some kind." (12:06)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Jane Coaston, on the contrast between Vatican and U.S. approach:
  "Sounds pretty Christian to me. But in the United States, religious belief is being used a little differently, particularly by politicians looking to give their actions a faithful veneer." (01:24)
• On leadership style:
  "He's part of a very conservative part of evangelical Protestantism." (Michelle Boorstein, 03:36)
• On military culture under Hegseth:
  "In terms of inclusion... Some of the experts... said it felt like we were making progress and now we just went, you know, tumbling backwards." (Michelle Boorstein, 10:51)
• On why this is different:
  "I think there’s a few things... Hegseth is using... not just kind of general, you know, we all serve a greater purpose kind of God, but very explicit scriptural references." (Michelle Boorstein, 09:43)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Easter and Opening Theme: 00:04–01:24
• Hegseth’s Christian Nationalism in Pentagon: 01:24–02:32
• Interview: Hegseth’s Religious Background: 03:27–04:35
• Interview: Evangelical Services at the Pentagon: 04:43–06:34
• Interview: Troop Reactions/Exclusion: 06:34–08:22
• Interview: Faith Framing of Iran War: 08:22–09:14
• What’s Different About This Moment: 09:41–10:57
• Is This a Holy War?: 10:57–12:11
• Wrap-up and Acknowledgments: 12:11–12:16
• News Headlines (inc. Trump's Easter post): 16:47–21:10

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Tone & Style

• Direct, analytical, and sometimes wryly humorous:
  Jane Coaston’s style balances seriousness with accessible, relatable commentary and occasional dry humor.
• Candid insights from Michelle Boorstein amplify the concerns over pluralism, policy drift, and service climate within the military.

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Concluding Thoughts

This episode serves as an in-depth analysis of how Secretary Pete Hegseth has transformed the military’s relationship with religion from inclusive civic faith to explicit evangelical Christian nationalism, largely sidelining religious minorities and non-Christians. The discussion underscores the deep discomfort this shift has provoked within the military and raises big questions about the boundaries between personal faith, political power, and constitutional protections of religious freedom.

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Recommended for:

• Listeners concerned with the intersection of religion and public policy
• Anyone tracking U.S. military culture and constitutional issues
• Those curious about the practical implications of Christian nationalism in government

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Transcript

[A]

It's Monday, April 6th. I'm Jane Coston, and this is what a day. The show that has good news, you absolutely could eat your painted Easter eggs. Bad news, they'd still be hard boiled eggs, the single lowest form of egg. So maybe it's better if you didn't. On today's show, the Trump administration argues construction of its $400 million ballroom is actually a matter of national security. And President Donald Trump shares a heartwarming Easter message. I would repeat it now, but we're going to give you a little more time to cover your children's ears. So let's start with Easter. As in the religious holiday for billions around the world, Sunday marked the Christian celebration of Easter. In Vatican City, Pope Leo XIV gave his first Easter mass as pontiff and took the opportunity to call for peace around the world. This interpretation is provided by Reuters.

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Let those who have weapons lay them down. Let those who have the power to unleash wars choose peace. Not a peace imposed by force, but through dialogue, not with the desire to dominate others, but to encounter them.

[A]

Sounds pretty Christian to me. But in the United States, religious belief is being used a little differently, particularly by politicians looking to give their actions a faithful veneer. The Trump administration has repeatedly used Christianity, or more accurately, Christian nationalism against its enemies. And in the Pentagon, Secretary of War little boy Pete Hegseth is putting Christian nationalism into both the culture and the policy of the armed forces, drawing a ton of concern both inside and outside of the military. As the New York Times detailed in March, Hegseth has made it crystal clear that as far as he's concerned, the war in Iran is actually a war favored by God. And during a press conference of the Pentagon in March, he asked the American people to pray to Jesus Christ that the troops might be kept safe.

[C]

And I say the same to every American who wants peace through strength. May Almighty God continue to bless our troops in this fight. And again, to the American people, please pray for them every day on bended knee, with your family, in your schools, in your churches, in the name of Jesus Christ.

[A]

Previous military leaders have offered prayer before missions and to protect the troops. But Hegseth's explicit reference to Christianity has rubbed many within the military the wrong way. In fact, according to the Military Religious Freedom foundation, more than 200 members of the military have complained that high level officials are using Christian rhetoric to talk about the Iran war. One allegation involves a commander saying that Trump was, quote, anointed by Jesus to light the signal fire in Iran to cause Armageddon. And mark his return to earth. In previous years, the military made real efforts to make everyone feel welcome. But under Hegseth, that work seems to have been de emphasized in favor of a very particular brand of evangelical Christianity. Michelle Boorstein is the religion reporter at the Washington Post. She recently wrote about the ways Hegseth has changed how faith operates in the US Armed forces. We spoke about Hegseth's own beliefs and how people in the military are reacting to the new regime. Michelle, welcome to Water Day.

[D]

Thank you for having me.

[A]

For listeners who may not be familiar with Pete Higseth's background, how would you describe his religious beliefs and how central they are to his leadership style?

[D]

Well, he has described that he had a Christian background, more of like an evangelical background, but that he had some years of his life when he kind of fell away from regular practice, and that in recent years, since he's been with his current wife, that he has become much more religious. Whether that had to do with his experiences in the military, his experiences with his, you know, different relationships and marriages and children and that kind of thing. He's currently part of a small, very conservative denomination founded by Doug Wilson in Moscow, Idaho. And it's more what people would kind of call like a dominionist, patriarchal kind of faith. It's very much into, you know, religious nationalism, the place of Christianity in the United States, the idea of men as head of the household. His pastor has talked about thinking that women shouldn't have individual rights to vote, families should vote together with the men as the head of the house. So he's part of a very conservative part of evangelical Protestantism. Yeah.

[A]

In your article, you mentioned Hegseth has been hosting evangelical worship services at the Pentagon. Who was attending, and how unusual is this?

[D]

So he started last year, pretty soon after taking office, holding these monthly worship sessions at the Pentagon with him involved him hosting and different evangelical conservative pastors. And what's unusual? I mean, obviously faith and religion in the military, just like in the country, is, you know, it's a very rich and diverse faith community there. There's chaplains all over the place who are supposed to take care of people of all faiths and no faith. But to have a service like this that is led by the defense secretary, experts tell us, is unprecedented in modern times. And it's sort of a strategy that Hegseth seems to be using to try to fortify that type of Christianity in the military. He recently suspended the Army Spiritual Guide, saying that it was too therapeutic and too focused on emotional health and not Enough on religious or theological truth. So he got rid of that guide. And he also recently announced that he was gonna be cutting down from about, I think, about 200 to 30 faith codes in the military. These groups that sort of have a status in the military. And it makes it possible to know how many people are of that group and if their spiritual needs are being met and that kind of thing. So to have somebody in his position making these kind of theological decisions is really unprecedented in modern times. There have been more civic religion, what we call civic religion, like prayers to God, prayers to a higher force. And a lot of people that we talked to said that faith can be what they call the force multiplier, which is if people feel they're working together for some greater cause, that's a really positive thing. But that this is something different than what military leaders have been trying to do, how they had been trying to use religion or talk about religion.

[A]

Yeah. And I'm curious if you've ever been to Arlington National Cemetery. You can see how many tombstones have crosses, but also stars of David and also, you know, symbols for other religions, because there are so many members of the military who ascribe to so many different faiths and to no faiths. What are you hearing from inside the ranks? How are troops responding to this? Are there service members who don't share higsest beliefs, which I'm guessing is a lot of them. And are they feeling sidelined? Are they facing consequences?

[D]

We were able to talk to people of different ranks, people who are very high ranking in the military now, people who are civilians working at the Pentagon, people who were, you know, regular sergeant out in the field somewhere overseas. And people told us that there are definitely folks in the military who like this, but that a lot of people said that, that they felt sidelined. And I talked to one gentleman who was quoted in the story. He used to be number two at the National Guard, and now he trains chaplains. And he said he talked to dozens and dozens of chaplains working in the military who feel what he said was sidelined or excluded, literally, like sometimes not invited to meetings, Things like that. People know who's sort of on board with this, or, you know, people who are not. And the people who are not do not feel comfortable saying anything. You know, especially today, this is a period where people are. Who work for the government and in the military. Military are afraid to be on the record. So it's hard for us to know exactly the scope of what kind of support this has. But I spoke to an army general who said, you know, they were just despondent that they had been in the service for 30, 40 years and were just waiting to get out because they were so disturbed by this pattern and just felt it was really dangerous.

[A]

Where I started seeing stories about this was how Hegseth and other top military officials were using religion to frame the war with Iran. Can you talk about that a little?

[D]

Yes. So the Military Religious Freedom foundation, which is based in New Mexico, came out a couple weeks ago with a report where they said over 200 people who are, you know, either members of their group or people who respond to their group had called in to complain to say that their superiors were framing the war in Iran in religious terms and that they were, you know, very disturbed by this. So unfortunately, again, this is a time when people are just afraid to be identified. So we weren't able to confirm those things. But I mean, I just think the fact that we had such high ranking people speak to us about it was pretty telling that it just seemed like such a change from the past.

[A]

Yeah, I want to hammer in on that just a little bit. You wrote, quote, US Military leaders have long understood the power and perils of invoking faith, especially in wartime. And like military leaders and even presidents have clearly prayed publicly before major military events. FDR did before the invasion of Normandy. Eisenhower did when he was supreme Allied commander, also before Normandy. What is different about this moment? Cause clearly it's different. But I'm just interested to hear what you think.

[D]

Well, I think there's a few things. First, you know, Hegseth is using and his allies are using, not just kind of general, you know, we all serve a greater purpose kind of God, but very explicit scriptural references which are being debated by the Pope. And I mean, to go into this kind of detail, you know, is unprecedented. But I also think that we have a very diverse military and a very diverse country. So, I mean, these experts said that we had been moving towards more inclusion. Whether that had to do with, obviously, the language issue, allowing people whose faith requires them to, you know, wear their hair a certain way, wear their beard a certain way.

[A]

Yeah. I was thinking about for Sikh Americans and others for whom, like, a beard ban would be really problematic, or that they need to be able to wear specific head coverings because of their religious beliefs.

[D]

Yeah. And there had been an increase in the things that you mentioned, like on military cemeteries, the, you know, insignia that people have on their stones. Some of the experts we talked to, and not just experts, people who are in the service said it felt like we were making progress and now we just went, you know, tumbling backwards, basically. In terms of inclusion, I know this

[A]

is kind of a big question to ask, but is this rhetoric from Hegseth meant to justify US Action in Iran, or do you think Hegseth and other top officials genuinely see this as a holy war?

[D]

Do I think that he thinks it's a holy war? Possibly. I don't know. I can't really get into his head. But I do think that using this kind of language deliberately and in a new way definitely seems to be intentional. And we're in a period where the Supreme Court in recent years has really chipped away the establishment clause at what constitutes the government establishing religion and the separation of church and state. So that's something that's like the floodgates kind of opened in recent years because of some court rulings where people said, well, it looks like that's not really an issue anymore. And one of the things that's been debated in courts about the establishment clause is what constitutes coercion. And what constitutes coercion. The bar is getting like lower and lower. You know, Hegseth, you know, I mean, if you look at his body tattoos and his memoir, I mean, he definitely seems to believe that there is a crusade of some kind. So, I mean, to that degree, it seems like it is part of his personal worldview.

[A]

Michelle, thank you so much for joining me.

[D]

Thank you for having me.

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if your children are watching, be warned the president did not use polite language. Quote Tuesday will be power plant day and bridge day all wrapped up in one in Iran. There will be nothing like it. Open the fucking straight, you crazy bastards, or you'll be living in hell. Just watch.

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CNN's Jake Tapper quoted from a not suitable for works true social post sent out by President Trump on Easter Sunday because this is the world we live in, the unhinged violent threat against Iran was the latest sign that maybe those Iran war negotiations Trump keeps talking about are not going so well. In response to Trump's post, Iran's mission to the United nations posted on Twitter, this is direct and public incitement to terrorize civilians. They also said it was evidence of Trump's intent to commit war crimes. Under international law, nations can only target civilian infrastructure if the military advantage outweighs the civilian harm. Over the weekend, Iranian drones reportedly took a Kuwaiti water desalination plant out of service. Officials in Kuwait, Bahrain and the UAE also said that Iran damaged some of their petrochemical facilities. On Sunday, U.S. special Operations forces rescued the second of two Air Force members who were shot down over Iran Friday. The first crew member had been rescued quickly after the crash landing. The second rescue took more work. A U.S. government official told the Associated Press that the CIA tried to mislead Iranian officials by spreading word that they'd already found the second crew member. Prior to the actual rescue, Iran had promised a sizable reward for his capture. In a true social post Sunday President Trump said that the second rescued aviator had, quote, sustained injuries, but he will be just fine. A federal judge in Boston has pushed PAWS on a requirement that colleges collect data proving they do not consider race in admissions. President Trump rolled out the directive in August. His administration had raised concerns that colleges and universities used personal statements and other proxies to illegally consider race. The national center for Education Statistics would collect new data on the race and sex of students who applied, as well as the race and sex of students admitted and enrolled. Education Secretary Linda McMahon has called for the last seven years of data. It was originally due March 18, but a group of 17 Democratic state attorneys general filed suit, saying the universities needed more time and that the policy risked student privacy. In his ruling on Friday, the judge said the federal government likely has the authority to collect the data. However, he noted that the rollout was rushed and chaotic. Sounds extremely Trump administration the temporary block on the requirement only applies to public universities in states that suit, so a win for them. For now. The Trump administration is appealing a federal judge's ruling that halted construction on the president's $400 million East Wing ballroom. The administration argues that pausing ballroom construction threatens the security of both the White House and President Trump Administration lawyers say the project includes new bomb shelters and that the finished ballroom will be heavily fortified. 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