Anne Brannigan (3:12)

Hi. Thank you for having me.

Jane Kostin (3:14)

So this trial is about to wrap up its second week of testimony. What's the mood been like in the courthouse?

Anne Brannigan (3:20)

The mood has been pretty intense, and we're going through a lot of witnesses very quickly. There hasn't been a boring day so far in this trial, which is pretty, I think, incredible.

Jane Kostin (3:35)

Yeah. No. Having covered legal proceedings before, that's kind of surprising. Now, the primary witness in this case is a singer, Cassandra Ventura, better known as Cassie. She dated Combs for about a decade, and her testimony about the alleged abuse Diddy inflicted on her was horrible and graphic. Can you walk us through some of the big moments from her four days of testimony?

Anne Brannigan (3:54)

Right. Well, we got her testimony very early in the trial, which is kind of unusual to have a star witness go so early when, you know, the side is presenting their case, in this case, the government. Right. But she was very pregnant, which is part of the reason why she took the stand so early. And so we really saw her lay out their 11 year relationship going from meeting Sean Combs and how enamored she was with him and the lifestyle that he was introducing her to. You know, she talked about the honeymoon period at the beginning of the relationship, but she also delved into, in quite graphic detail some of the things that would come later. And so she alleges that she was forced to participate in freak offs. And these are the sex parties that have been talked about a lot at this point. You know, we first heard about them in the lawsuit that she filed in 2023. And she also detailed a lot of the physical abuse that she says she experienced at the hands of Sean Combs.

Jane Kostin (4:54)

How did Diddy's defense team try to poke holes in her testimony?

Anne Brannigan (4:58)

Mainly through text messages. So as you can imagine, over the course of an 11 year off and on relationship There were a lot of messages exchanged between these two. And they really honed in on a few messages. You know, ones where Sean Combs appeared to be kind of deferring to Cassie Ventura in terms of, you know, kind of following her lead on whether she wanted to do a freak off that evening or that week. There were texts that they shared in which she expressed how much she enjoyed them. Right. And to be clear, just to place us in time, these are texts that she sent when she would have been about, you know, 22, 23, so well over a decade ago at this point. So that's been the defense's kind of tactic in terms of chipping away a really essential part of this story, which is the idea that there was force and coercion.

Jane Kostin (5:58)

And without getting into too much graphic detail, can you tell us more about these freak offs and how the prosecution says they play into this case?

Anne Brannigan (6:06)

Well, baby oil has been mentioned just about every day of this trial so far. So what we know about the freakoffs is that these were held in hotels, that they involved Cassie Ventura, some other alleged female victims from whom we will hear later on in the trial, and that they typically involved a male escort. Right. Who would participate specifically with the woman, while Sean Combs would watch in a corner. And the important detail here, the prosecution believes, is how much he directed these events and how they were really tailored to his preferences. So that's where the baby oil comes in. He apparently would, with regularity, tell them to slather more and more baby oil on themselves. He was very involved in terms of the lighting of these rooms. You know, he had very specific demands in terms of snacks and drugs provided. So that's what the prosecution is laying out to kind of corroborate the argument that Combs was really driving these. These sex acts.

Jane Kostin (7:21)

And there was also video footage from a hotel security camera played in court. CNN had obtained and aired the video last year. It is horrifying. It shows Diddy grab, shove, drag and kick Cassie while they were at a Hotel in 2016. That seems to be especially damning in so many ways. But the case isn't specifically about abuse. It's about sex trafficking and racketeering. So how has the government been making its case for those charges that are bigger in scope than horrifying domestic violence and sex acts?

Anne Brannigan (7:50)

I'm so glad you brought that up. Right. And because that's a big part of what the defense's position is, Right. They are not dodging the fact that physical abuse happened. They are not dodging the fact that Combs did assault Cassie in the hotel that day. But their line is that this is not a domestic violence trial. It is, as you said, a sex trafficking and racketeering trial. So essential to the sex trafficking charge is trying to establish that you took part in a commercial sex act under force, fraud, or coercion. And so that's why we see the emphasis on physical abuse. Right. And why we have other witnesses corroborating the fact that Sean Combs was violent, that he would get violent with little provocation. It's because they want to establish that these are the reasons why Cassie Ventura might have participated in sex acts that she did not actually want to participate in.

Jane Kostin (8:49)

Right. And would be texting in a way that might seem like she was into it, but she may have been coerced into doing so and feel frightened.

Anne Brannigan (8:58)

Exactly. And another element that comes up, too, is the fact that these acts were videotaped. And something that she said in her testimony was that that would be used as sort of leverage against her as blackmail, so that if she left him, he would threaten to release those videos. Something that also came up is the amount of financial control he had over her. And that's not just in the fact that he owned and, you know, paid the rent on her homes, but that Combs was her boss. Right. She was a bad boy artist, and bad boy is the label that he founded. And so her career was really in his hands. And so those are the things that the prosecution has stressed in order to try to make those connections.

Jane Kostin (9:46)

Cassie wrapped her testimony on Friday. Who are some of the other notable witnesses we've seen at this point in the trial?

Anne Brannigan (9:52)

We have seen some very colorful testimonial. I'll say. So we've heard from law enforcement agents. We've heard from a couple of the men who participated in these sex acts. You know, a male exotic dancer who goes by the nickname the Punisher. And. Yes.

Jane Kostin (10:12)

Okay.

Anne Brannigan (10:14)

We also heard from Cassie Ventura's mother, who shared to me some really striking testimony about how Combs demanded $20,000 from her because he said that was money he spent on Cassie Ventura and he wanted to be reimbursed because she had been with another man.

Jane Kostin (10:34)

Yeah, I read a little bit about that testimony. And the person she had been with was the rapper Kid Cudi, whose real name is Scott Mascudi, who's expected to testify today. He briefly dated Cassie while she was involved with Diddy. And his car exploded after he alleges a heated argument with Combs in which Combs threatened to blow up his car. What can we expect from his testimony?

Anne Brannigan (10:59)

So he's definitely gonna be asked about that event because it's mentioned in the federal indictment. You know, part of the racketeering charge is arson, and arson relates directly back to that very specific act of his car exploding. So he won't be on the stand for very long today because they have a lengthy list of witnesses that they wanna get through before the Memorial Day weekend break. But we can definitely expect him to give us some more detail about what happened there.

Jane Kostin (11:30)

As someone who's been catching updates on TV and in the news, the evidence presented so far would seem to be especially damning for Diddy, one of the most influential people in the music industry. I was talking to one of my colleagues about how, like, if you're around our age, there was a period of us being teenagers where like, he was kind of inescapable, like either through his fashion or his music or just like being a famous person. Even if he's acquitted of these charges, what kind of reputational damage has this trial inflicted?

Anne Brannigan (11:58)

I've been thinking about that a lot because, you know, the jury has a job of looking at this very sort of narrow and specific scope of alleged crimes of behavior. But this has fundamentally, I think, reshaped his legacy in a way that I think we're still going to be reckoning with once the trial is done, no matter what the outcome is. Right. We know a lot about this man now that we perhaps did not want to know. And I mean, like you, you know, his music was a big part of my childhood. And maybe it's because the news is everywhere right now, maybe it's because of the level of detail that we know. But. But it's hard to listen to that music now without thinking about some of these things.

Jane Kostin (12:48)

Anne, thank you so much for joining me.

Anne Brannigan (12:51)

Thank you for having me. I really appreciate it.

Jane Kostin (12:54)

That was my conversation with Anne Brannigan, who's been covering Diddy's trial for the Washington Post. We'll link to her coverage in our show Notes. We'll get to more of the news in a moment, but if you like the show, make sure to subscribe. Leave a five star review on Apple Podcasts, watch us on YouTube and share with your friends. More to come after some ads. Water Day is brought to you by Nutrafol. Hot days, humid nights and non stop plans. All that heat can increase hair shedding, while a packed schedule can add stress which can impact your hair. Nutrafol's whole body approach and clinically tested formulas support your hair from within so you can focus on living your best life on all summer long. You may have heard of Nutrafol's hair growth supplements and wondered, do they actually work? It's a fair question. Many hair supplements overpromise and underdeliver, but Nutrafol is different. As the one dermatologist recommended hair growth supplement brand, it's trusted by over 1.5 million people and it's clinically tested to deliver real results in just three to six months. Everyone's root causes of hair thinning are different, so a one size fits all approach to hair growth doesn't cut it. Nutrafol has multiple formulas designed to give your body what it needs to grow and support your hair's unique needs. Whether you're navigating postpartum menopause, a plant based lifestyle, or simply looking to see less hair shedding, Nutrafol has you covered. And while many supplements rely solely on ingredient studies, Nutrafol clinically tests its final formulations using advanced hair measurement tools like hair counts and pull tests to track real improvements in growth, quality, shedding and texture. And it's not just backed by studies. Their research is published in peer reviewed journals and vetted by doctors, ensuring scientific rigor and reliable results. This summer, stop worrying about your hair and start making memories. For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our listeners $10 off your first month subscription and free shipping. When you go to nutrafol.com and enter the Promo Code Day find out why Nutrafol is the best selling hair growth supplement brand@nutrafol.com spelled n u t r-a f o l.com promo code day. That's nutrafold.com, promo code day.

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Jane Kostin (16:05)

Here's what else we're following today. Head of Lines.

Donald Trump (16:11)

What a group of golfers. South Africa's head on this. There must be something in the water, right? Something good. These two guys are unbelievable.

Jane Kostin (16:20)

President Donald Trump met with South African President Cyril Ramaphosa in the Oval Office on Wednesday. After the two initially exchanged pleasantries and discussed golf, Ramaphosa brought two South African golf legends to the meeting. Smart. President Trump moved on to another favorite topic of his misinformation.

Donald Trump (16:37)

Look, these are articles over the last few days. Death of people. Death, death, death. Horrible death. White South Africans are fleeing because of the violence and racist laws.

Jane Kostin (16:57)

More specifically, Trump harped on the idea that there is a so called white genocide happening in South Africa. This is false. A South African judge dismissed this in February as non existent. Just weeks earlier, President Trump issued an executive action allowing Afrikaners to resettle in the U.S. so far, 59 white Afrikaners have arrived in the U.S. as refugees. When a reporter from NBC News asked why it was appropriate for the United States to take in white Afrikaner refugees when other groups like Afghans, Venezuelans and Haitians have had their protective status revoked, Trump called the network. Truly fake news. Later on in the meeting, he called for an investigation into NBC's parent company Comcast. Free speech is alive and well in the Trump White House. At another point during the meeting, the lights in the Oval Office dimmed as Trump played a video purporting to show violence against white Afrikaners and mass burial sites for white farmers. President Ramaphosa wondered aloud where exactly the mass graves were located.

Donald Trump (17:53)

Those people were all killed. Have they told you where that is, Mr. President? No, I'd like to know where that is because this I've never seen.

Jane Kostin (18:04)

After pausing, Trump answered, it's in South Africa. But according to Barrons, one of the photos depicted a grave located in the Democratic Republic of Congo, which is a different country. The Trump administration received another judicial rebuke Wednesday. Another one. U.S. district Judge Brian E. Murphy in Boston called an emergency meeting to discuss reports that immigrants were being sent to South Sudan in violation of a previous court order. Judge Murphy cited that the previous order barred immigrants from being deported to countries they're not from. Without a meaningful opportunity to object on the basis of safety. He warned, everyone involved in an illegal deportation risks criminal contempt. According to the Council on Foreign Relations, South Sudan is suffering from one of the worst humanitarian crises in the world. Department of Homeland Security officials said eight immigrants were deported Tuesday. They claim that the migrants, who are from Cuba, Laos, Mexico, Myanmar, Vietnam and South Sudan, are criminals. During a press briefing Wednesday, DHS spokesperson Tricia McLaughlin slammed what she calls activist judges. It is absolutely absurd for a district judge to try to dictate the foreign policy and national security of the United States of America. Well, I think it's absolutely absurd for the United States government to send Laotians and Mexicans to South Sudan. So agree to Disagree, Trish. Anyway, McLaughlin would not confirm a final destination for the migrants.

Gerry Connally (19:33)

Thank you so much. And thank you so much for the moment of silence and the kind words of remembrance on behalf of our dear colleague Gerry Conley.

Jane Kostin (19:42)

House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries paid homage to his late colleague, Democratic Representative Gerry Connally. Connally had represented Virginia's 11th district since 2009. He died on Wednesday after battling esophageal cancer. He was 75. Connolly was widely known for his fiery spirit, along with his business and infrastructure efforts in Northern Virginia. Over the course of his career, Connolly expanded the Metro Silver line from the D.C. suburbs to Dulles Airport. Here he is during its opening ceremony 10 years ago.

Donald Trump (20:10)

This is going to transform this court into something a lot more livable, a lot more environmentally friendly, a lot more commercially successful. Successful and is going to make a difference for generations.

Jane Kostin (20:21)

Late last year, Connally announced his illness and said he would fight his disease. In April, however, he announced that his treatment had been unsuccessful, that he would not seek reelection in 2026, and that he would step down from his leadership position on the House Oversight Committee. Last December, one month after announcing his cancer, Connally beat out Representative Alexandria Ocasio Cortez to become the ranking member of the House Oversight Committee. Connally's death is the third of a Democratic lawmaker since November's elections. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth accepted a Boeing 747 from Qatar on Wednesday, which is a weird thing to say, right? In a statement, Chief Pentagon spokesman Sean Parnell said the secretary complied with all federal rules and regulations in accepting the jet. Parnell also said that the Department of Defense will make sure it's safe for a president of the United States to fly in to transport the president. Some Republicans and Democrats alike have criticized the gift, saying accepting it violates the Constitution. But President Trump has continued to defend the gift because of course he has. In a truth Social Post last week, Trump said, quote, why should our military and therefore our taxpayers be forced to pay hundreds of millions of dollars when they can get it for free. Ah, yes, there's the businessmen we know and taxpayers will be paying to refurbish the plane. So really, it's only free for one person. Trump was asked about the jet during his Oval Office meeting with South African President Ramaphosa. Ramaphosa piped in, I'm sorry, I don't.

Donald Trump (21:46)

Have a plane to give you. I wish you did. I would take it. If your country offered the United States Air Force a plane, I would take it.

Jane Kostin (21:55)

Of course you would. Shocking, but not surprising. And that's the news. Before we go. Project 2025 is no longer a warning, it's a reality. Four months into Trump's second term, Republicans have already begun executing their 900 plus page plan to transform America into a Christian nationalist state. We're seeing it in real time. Attacks on bodily autonomy, the targeting of immigrants, the erasure of history, and cuts to programs millions rely on. On today's episode of Assembly Required, Stacey Abrams sits down with Atlantic staff writer David A. Graham, author of The How Project 2025 is Reshaping America to unpack the radical Ideology and what we can do to fight back before it's too late. Tune in to this important episode of assembly required on YouTube or listen wherever you get your podcasts. That's all for today. If you like the show, make sure you subscribe, leave a review. Let me be the liberal Joe Rogan and tell your friends to listen. And if you're into reading and not just about how seriously, I also can fill three hours with MMA, World War II, and discussions about aliens like me, What a Day is also a nightly newsletter. Check it out and subscribe@cricket.com subscribe I'm Jane Costen and alternatively, we could come up with additional ideas besides that one. What a Day is a production of Crooked Media. It's recorded and mixed by Desmond Taylor. Our associate producers are Raven Yamamoto and Emily Foer. Our producer is Michelle Aloy. We had production help today from Johanna Case, Joseph Dutra, Craig Walters, and Julia Claire. Our senior producer is Erica Morrison and our executive producer is Adrienne Hill. Our theme music is by Colin Gilliard and Kashaka. Our production staff is proudly unionized with the Writers Guild of America East.

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