Is This Mamdani's Moment

Summary

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What A Day — "Is This Mamdani's Moment"

Date: October 29, 2025
Host: Jane Coaston
Guest: Alex Wagner (host of Crooked Media’s "Runaway Country")

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Overview

This episode focuses on the political moment surrounding Zoran Mamdani, the Democratic Socialist frontrunner in New York City’s upcoming mayoral election, and the broader implications for Democrats nationwide. Host Jane Coaston and guest Alex Wagner discuss early voting turnout, demographic shifts, high-profile endorsements, the specter of Trump, and whether Mamdani’s campaign strategy offers lessons for the national party.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Setting the Stage: NYC’s Mayoral Race

• [00:02] Jane Coaston opens with a witty Halloween analogy, then pivots to discuss the stakes of NYC's mayoral election.
  • Mamdani faces Andrew Cuomo (Independent) and Curtis Sliwa (Republican).
  • Early voting indicates record turnout, with older voters showing up in significant numbers—a trend that may favor Cuomo.

2. Early Voting and Demographics

• [02:26] Early voting trends show the majority of voters are over 55.
  • Alex Wagner: “There is a lot of interest in this mayor's race... Cuomo does better with boomers. So if you're the Cuomo campaign, you're delighted to see a stronger turnout from the 55 plus crew.” ([03:05])
  • Both note, however, that early voting numbers are notoriously misleading.

3. Primary vs General Turnout

• [04:03] Jane: Younger voters played a significant role in the primary, but may not turn out as strongly in the general.
  • Alex: “Older voters... they like voting early. This is what older voters do... I'm not sure how much to read into what the ultimate makeup of the electorate will be on Election Day.” ([04:38])
  • Emphasizes unpredictability, especially with high engagement and a newly energized base.

4. The "Trump Factor"

• [05:19] The influence of national politics and Trump’s shadow loom large.
  • Alex: “…the Trump of it all... is definitely shaping some minds about both for and against Mamdani and for and against Cuomo.” ([05:19])

5. Endorsements — Boon or Liability?

• [06:02] Discussion of establishment endorsements for Mamdani:
  • Jane: Hakeem Jeffries and Governor Kathy Hochul have endorsed. Who benefits?
  • Alex: “It wasn't Kathy Hochul... she mispronounced his name multiple times... I think Hochul needs Mamdani more.” ([06:25])
  • Hochul faces legitimate skepticism from Mamdani supporters, and the endorsements seem more about optics for the endorsers.

6. The "Quiet Cuomo" Voter

• [07:25] Jane asks about a possible silent bloc supporting Cuomo.
  • Alex: “There is a cut of New Yorker who's like, I just don't know about this guy [Mamdani]... the concern that he has become such a ripe target for Trump that it's going to redound to New York City's detriment...” ([08:24])
  • Fear that Mamdani’s win may provoke retaliation from Trump, making NYC collateral damage.

7. Local vs National Lessons

• [09:13] Jane explores whether Mamdani’s success holds lessons for Democrats elsewhere.
  • Polls suggest Mamdani’s appeal is highly local.
  • Alex: “What the Democratic Party needs is big ideas. They need conviction... it's not a time for shrinking violets... I actually don't... think it's a time to be trying to map Zoran Mamdani onto, like, Nebraska.” ([10:01])
  • Mamdani’s messaging and conviction, not his specific policy set, are what Democrats elsewhere could emulate.

8. Building a New Political Archetype

• [10:52] Alex: “This is generational talent. And Democrats would be foolish to try and diminish that talent in the name of trying to find some national media that's going to appeal to everybody... the nuts and bolts of how he's built something different are something I think Democrats can learn from.” ([10:52])

9. Predictions (Or the Refusal Thereof)

• [11:37] Both hosts express reluctance to make predictions: “Anything could happen.”
  • Captures the overall tone of cautious curiosity rather than certainty.

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Notable Quotes & Key Moments

• On Older Voters:
  • Alex Wagner: “Cuomo does better with boomers. So if you're the Cuomo campaign, you're delighted to see a stronger Turnout from the 55 plus crew.” ([03:05])
• On Endorsements:
  • Alex Wagner: “It wasn't Kathy Hochul. If you saw the reception she got this week where she mispronounced his name multiple times… I think Hochul needs Mamdani more.” ([06:25])
• On Trump’s Impact:
  • Alex Wagner: “…Trump is going to make New York City lives collateral damage in his war against Mamdani.” ([08:24])
• On Takeaways for Democrats:
  • Alex Wagner: “Democrats would be foolish to try and diminish that talent [Mamdani] in the name of trying to find some national media that's going to appeal to everybody.” ([10:52])
• On Making Predictions:
  • Jane Coaston: “This is why you're one of my favorite people, because you say things like, ‘I'm loathe to predict.’ And I love that, because we don't know. Nobody knows." ([06:02])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:02 – Introduction & Halloween cold open
• 01:39 – Framing the NYC mayoral election
• 02:17–04:03 – Alex Wagner joins; older voters and early turnout
• 04:03–05:18 – Voter turnout breakdown (primary vs general)
• 05:19–06:02 – The Trump effect and election unpredictability
• 06:02–07:25 – The meaning and value of high-profile endorsements
• 07:25–09:13 – The "quiet Cuomo voter" and New York’s unique political climate
• 09:13–11:37 – Can Mamdani’s playbook translate nationally?
• 11:37–11:54 – Closing thoughts and acknowledgements

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Tone and Style

• Conversational and thoughtful, with a blend of humor, skepticism, and insider political analysis.
• Alex Wagner’s responses are nuanced, with repeated “caveats” and caution against overgeneralizing or projecting results.

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Summary Takeaways

• Massive, diverse turnout is making the NYC mayoral race highly competitive and unpredictable.
• Demographic patterns (strong older voter turnout, uncertain youth engagement) may shift outcome expectations.
• Endorsements may boost politicians more than the candidate, especially if the base is wary of establishment figures.
• National Democrats shouldn’t attempt to carbon-copy Mamdani to other regions but should learn from his strategic authenticity and boldness.
• The Trump factor is omnipresent, raising concerns about backlash should Mamdani win.
• Both Coaston and Wagner urge caution about prognosticating, underlining the volatility of the current political era.

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For Further Listening

• Alex Wagner’s podcast, "Runaway Country", for more in-depth takes on political trends and campaign tactics.
• Stay tuned to "What A Day" for more election analyses as the results roll in.

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Transcript

[A]

It's Wednesday, October 29th. I'm Jane Coston and this is what a Day. The show reminding everyone. With Halloween coming up, it's okay to be scary and to wear a scary costume. But if you go up to someone's house wearing terrifying costumes, identify yourself as, quote, your worst nightmare and remain outside the house for 11 full minutes while threatening to break the door down. Do not be surprised if your intended victims call the police. The video of your creepy efforts goes viral and everyone gets very, very mad. At on today's show, Elon Musk hates Wikipedia so much that he launches Grokopedia to tell, quote, the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help us God. And Israel tests the limits of its ceasefire with Hamas. But let's start with next Tuesday's elections. In states from California to Virginia, Americans will be heading to the polls in big numbers. On November 4th in New York City, voters will pick a new mayor, choosing between former New York Governor Andrew Cuomo, who is running as an independent Republican Curtis Lewa, and the front runner, Democratic Socialist Zoram Mamdani. Mamdani has been the frontrunner since a stunning victory in June's Democratic primary. But the early voting tallies so far show two things. One, this election is going to have an absolutely massive turnout, and two, older voters are showing up. And that might be good news for Andrew Cuomo, who has gained on Mamdani in the polls. For his part, Mamdani is keeping his eyes on the mayoral prize. Here he is speaking to Fox News on Monday. With all the voters talking to you, do you feel like you have it in the bag or you still want people to show up, or do you.

[B]

Think you got it?

[A]

You can never take anything for granted. If you want to take something for granted, that's Andrew Cuomo. What he did in the primary, we don't want to end up like Andrew Cuomo. Now, you might not live in New York City, but an election in New York City is never just an election for residents of the Big Apple, especially with the potential for the city's first Muslim mayor to be going up against a Trump administration more than willing to make him and the city a target. So to talk about New York City's big decision and just what Democrats can and can't learn from Zoram Mamdani, I spoke to my new colleague Alex Wagner. She's the host of Crooked Media's newest podcast, Runaway country with Alex Wagner. Alex, welcome to what a day.

[B]

It's so great to be here. I'm happy to. I feel like I haven't seen you in years.

[A]

I know.

[B]

I saw you actually once at the crooked offices.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I don't think you did. I see. I mean, I feel like I was, like, trying to find where the good snacks were.

[A]

I know, I know. Maybe you were. I know. At some point we will have a good snack conversation and you can hear my snack diatribe. But more importantly, more importantly, early voting started this past weekend in New York City. And unlike in the primaries, voters over 55 made up a majority of those who turned out. Now, with the proviso that early voting numbers are often really stupid. I remember this. You remember this. We all remember this from every other election, except we forget every single time because that's how we are. What could those numbers mean for Zoran Mamdani's chances of defeating Andrew Cuomo?

[B]

Well, okay, look, just bait, again with a caveat that they're stupid and you shouldn't draw too many inferences from them. I will say one thing is, is certain. There is a lot of interest in this mayor's race in New York City. People are fired up. They're engaged. However you look at how the two candidates, Cuomo and Mamdani, are doing with older voters, Boomers, as we call them, and Cuomo does better with boomers. So if you're the Cuomo campaign, you're delighted to see a stronger Turnout from the 55 plus crew. Having said that, I know lots of people who are in their 50s and 60s that are excited about Mamdani. I think it's just, I do think the general. Surprise, surprise, the general election makeup is going to be different than the Democratic primary makeup, which is kind of always the case in every election ever. I will say, and I said this before, I would not be surprised if this race is tighter than people think it necessarily will be, given the enthusiasm and the amount of energy in and around the Mamdani campaign.

[A]

I actually want to ask you about the difference between the primary and the general with regard to voters. So there are two schools of thought in my head. One is that lots and lots of younger voters turned out in the primary and might not be turning out now. The other is that people don't vote in primaries. So if younger people show up at, like, baseline levels, it's like, oh, my God, so many younger people showed up for a Democratic primary that everybody kind of forgot about. Which do you think is more valid? And why do you think younger voters may not be turning out yet in the same numbers as they did in the Primary. I don't.

[B]

You know, like, this is a weird one, because often in, like, national politics, it's the older voters that, like, you'll. You want a reliable voting base if you're a candidate. Right, right. And Democrat younger voters tend to be less reliable. Now, there was the sort of shock of the primary results, the excitement around Mamdani, that I'm not surprised that older voters are turning out early. They like voting early. This is what older voters do. They like voting by mail. They like voting early. They're responsible voters. They don't wait till the last minute like the kids do. I not. I'm not sure how much to read into what the ultimate, like, you know, makeup of the electorate will be on on Election Day when all the results are in.

[A]

Right.

[B]

But I think, you know, the Cuomo team has acted aggressively. You have the Trump of it all, which I think is definitely shaping some minds about both for and against Mamdani and for and against Cuomo. And I think there are some X factors, like, New York City is a crazy place. Could anybody have predicted that Trump was gonna do better? Like, one of the cities where he was gonna make the biggest inroads in 2024 was. Would be New York City. I don't think most New Yorkers would have told you that. And that's. You know, I'm loathe to predict how it's all gonna shake down on Election Day just because it's such this. You know, this election is so tied to national political dynamics, and we live in a pretty chaotic time.

[A]

This is why you're one of my favorite people, because you say things like, I'm loathe to predict. And I love that, because we don't know. Nobody knows. But I did want to ask something you might know, which is last Friday, House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries finally endorsed Mamdani. New York Governor Kathy Hochul endorsed him in mid September. Who do you think has more to gain from these endorsements? Mamdani or establishment Democrats?

[B]

I mean, it wasn't Kathy Hochul. If you saw the reception she got this week where she mispronounced his name multiple times. I mean, like, yeah.

[A]

And then got Tax the rich chance that she seemed to think had to do with the Buffalo Bills, which I'm like, ugh, Governor.

[B]

Well, this crowd is certainly fired up. I think Coco needs Mamdani more. I'm not sure Jeffries is complicated. You know, that's the thing. I mean, first of all, if Democrats, especially those in Congress, have not learned anything at this point, I mean, the idea is like, now is the time to take a stand, but like being kind of like mealy mouthed and waiting to the last minute isn't going to win you points with anybody. And like, I don't think that Zohra Mamdani is going to. The difference maker is going to be Kathy Hogle. Especially given the fact that Mamdani supporters sort of undermined her legitimacy in a pretty shocking way at the actual event. Right. That's not gonna make Hogle supporters think, oh yeah, no, we have kinship here. And it's not gonna make Mamdani supporters feel any more enamored of the governor.

[A]

You spoke to my friends over on Podcast of America recently about how you've been hearing about so called quiet Cuomo voters. Yeah. Who are those voters and how could they impact this race?

[B]

Well, listen, I just think, I think I have Trump. I mean, who doesn't have Trump? Ptsd.

[A]

Yes, every, every single person. I think that, I mean, that's another big thing here is the Trump of it all is just being like, every, like there will be this silent flood of people who have not said anything and they will come out of nowhere and here we are again.

[B]

I also think there is, it's like the only different, that, the only dynamic that is slightly different is the fact that Mamdani, I mean, Mamdani has a tidal wave of public support. Like, he is very much in the zeitgeist. He is very much in the culture of New York City. And much like, you know, you would hear about rich New Yorkers quietly saying, I think I might vote for Trump. I mean, they would say that to themselves, not to me.

[A]

But right, right.

[B]

There is a, there is a cut of New Yorker who's like, I just don't know about this guy. And also I am general, I am generally and genuinely concerned that he has become such a ripe target for Trump that it's going to redound to New York City's detriment that he is going to, through no fault necessarily of his own. But just because Trump has his sights set on fighting Mamdani as again the vanguard of the Democratic Party, that Trump is going to make life miserable and New Yorkers are going to. Trump is going to make New York City lives collateral damage in his war against Mamdani. And so there's that concern, there's a concern about his experience. So again, I'm not endorsing any of that. But I think when you talk about New Yorkers who are on the fence or quiet cuomo supporters. These things come to their mind.

[A]

So something that I think is an obvious point is that New York City is a very specific place. Like, very specific. And over at the argument, data analyst Laksha Jain, who I've spoken to on the show, recently published some polling indicating that while Mamdani has run a very strong campaign, his favorability ratings don't look good at the national level. Which is fine. Like, there are lots of people who do very well in where they are, but that might not work nationally. But what do you make of the idea that national Democrats have something to learn from Mamdani and his messaging? Because I think that there's going to be. Regardless of what happens, there's going to be, like, the Mamdani message, the Mamdani moment. Like, you know, can we take that from there to an election taking place somewhere else? I personally don't think so, because New York City is not like anywhere else on Earth.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, listen, I think what the Democratic Party needs is big ideas. They need conviction. They need a set of. I don't mean to genderize it, but like, cajones to face down what we're looking at, which is an authoritarian who is going to try and potentially hold onto power well past what the Constitution dictates he can do. And so it is not a time for shrinking violets. And I actually don't even think it's a time to be trying to map Zoran Mamdani onto, like, Nebraska. You know, like, it's. What it's about is like getting. Getting fresh and sassy and, And. And championing people who are doing well in their respective markets. Right. Like, you end up in a mushy middle if you're trying to find someone that fits everyone's. That.

[A]

That.

[B]

That's like six T shirt sizes.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Like, this is. This is generational talent. And Democrats would be foolish to try and diminish that talent in the name of trying to find some national media that's going to appeal to everybody. I think it's about listening to what he's saying and also taking a cue from the way in which he has very naturally articulated a set of, like, passionate ideals, new policy prescriptions, and done so, like, where people are listening. Those parts of it are universal, if you like. Just the strategy alone is something that the Democratic Party could learn a lot from. Not everybody's gonna be able to do it like Zoran Mamdani, and maybe not everybody should. But the nuts and bolts of how he's built something different are something I think Democrats can learn from Alex.

[A]

As always, thank you so much for joining me.

[B]

It is such a pleasure always, and I hope anything that I said proves to be somewhat accurate in the next season.

[A]

This is why you never make predictions. You just kind of give people like.

[B]

The oh, could be.

[A]

Anything could happen.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

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