Matt Gaetz, Future AG?

Summary

What A Day: Matt Gaetz, Future Attorney General?

Hosted by Jane Coaston | Release Date: November 14, 2024

In this insightful episode of What A Day, host Jane Coaston delves into the controversial nomination of Congressman Matt Gaetz as the next Attorney General of the United States by President Elect Donald Trump. The episode provides an in-depth analysis of Gaetz's qualifications, the Senate's reaction, and the broader implications for the Department of Justice (DOJ).

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Trump's Nomination of Matt Gaetz

Jane Coaston opens the discussion by highlighting President Trump's recent announcement on Truth Social, nominating Florida Representative Matt Gaetz for the role of Attorney General (00:02). Gaetz, known as one of the most polarizing figures in Congress, has served four terms in the House and briefly practiced law before his political career. Coaston points out the significant skepticism surrounding Gaetz's legal credentials, especially for leading the DOJ, which oversees a vast network of over 10,000 attorneys globally.

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Senate Dynamics and Support

The episode explores the mixed reactions within the Republican Senate caucus. While some senators, like Tennessee's Bill Hagerty, have expressed support for Gaetz (01:57), others, including Alaska's Lisa Murkowski, have shown resistance. Murkowski stated, "I don't think Gaetz is a serious nomination for Attorney General" (02:33), indicating potential challenges in securing Gaetz's confirmation. The discussion also touches on Trump's consideration of recess appointments as a possible strategy to bypass Senate opposition.

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Expert Analysis: Ken White on Gaetz's Nomination

A pivotal segment features an interview with Ken White, a former federal prosecutor and current criminal defense attorney, who provides a critical perspective on Gaetz's suitability for the DOJ (03:24).

Ken White shares his initial disbelief upon hearing the nomination:
"I started laughing and then I inhaled some saliva and coughed, and then some paralegals came into my office kind of concerned." (03:35)

He emphasizes Gaetz's lack of relevant experience:
"He has really no relevant experience to run the United States Department of Justice, other than, I guess, being on the business end of an investigation." (04:46)

White discusses the potential chaos Gaetz could introduce to the DOJ, highlighting the department's intricate relationships with agencies like the FBI and DEA:
"If you get someone in there who's just going to do it like a clown show, then it may be very horrifying, but it may not be very effective at retaliation." (06:00)

He also addresses the morale and credibility of DOJ attorneys, expressing concern over Gaetz's nomination undermining the department's mission:
"The vast majority of them are going to be horrified because they think it really diminishes the credibility of the Justice Department and its mission." (07:23)

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Implications for the Department of Justice

The conversation shifts to the broader consequences of Gaetz's potential appointment. White outlines how a DOJ tailored to Gaetz's agendas could lead to significant shifts in prosecutorial priorities, potentially neglecting complex cases like civil rights violations and white-collar crimes in favor of more politically motivated prosecutions. He warns of increased instability and diminished effectiveness within the department:
"It's very easy, really, for the new executive if they want to completely gut the Department of Justice's ability to do more complex cases and more controversial cases." (08:05)

White also speculates on the long-term impact on the DOJ's relationship with federal judges and other sub-agencies, emphasizing the risks of politicization and reduced judicial oversight.

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Potential Workarounds and Confirmation Challenges

Coaston and White discuss Trump's possible use of recess appointments to bypass the Senate's confirmation process. White expresses skepticism about the feasibility and the institutional resistance Trump might face:
"These institutions, these rules are somewhat fragile and to some extent like Tinkerbell, they only stay alive to the extent we believe in them and decide to obey them." (10:03)

He questions the Republican senators' willingness to support such maneuvers, hinting at the fragile unity within the party.

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Conclusion: The Future of Gaetz's Nomination

Wrapping up the interview, White expresses doubt about Gaetz's confirmation, citing the overwhelming negative reaction from both within and outside the GOP:
"The reaction to him is such one of horror and contempt that it's possible this is where they stand up and maybe then Trump goes on to someone else." (10:38)

He concludes by preferring Gaetz over other potential nominees who might be even less suitable:
"I'd almost rather have a buffoon than a shrewd evil person." (10:44)

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Additional News Highlights

Following the in-depth discussion on Gaetz, the episode briefly covers other pertinent news:

• Biden and Trump Meet for Power Transition: Despite their tumultuous relationship, President Joe Biden and Donald Trump met to discuss the transfer of power. Coaston notes the strained dynamics and lack of reconciliation between the two leaders (14:00).

• Senate Majority Leader Election: John Thune narrowly wins the Senate Majority Leader position, overcoming challenges from within the GOP and securing the role with ties to Mitch McConnell (15:09).

• NLRB's Landmark Decision: The National Labor Relations Board rules against employers forcing employees to attend anti-union meetings, a decision with significant implications for unionization efforts nationwide (15:21).

• Infowars Auction: The controversial media empire owned by Alex Jones is up for auction following his bankruptcy due to defamation lawsuits. The outcome remains uncertain, with potential bidders ranging from political figures to media companies (16:00).

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Final Thoughts

Jane Coaston concludes the episode by urging listeners to stay informed and engaged, emphasizing the importance of discerning credible news sources and active participation in the democratic process. She underscores the potential ramifications of Gaetz's nomination and the broader political landscape shaping America's future.

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Notable Quotes:

• Ken White on Gaetz's Qualifications (04:46): "He has really no relevant experience to run the United States Department of Justice, other than, I guess, being on the business end of an investigation."

• Lisa Murkowski on Gaetz's Nomination (02:33): "I don't think Gaetz is a serious nomination for Attorney General."

• Ken White on DOJ's Future Under Gaetz (08:05): "It's very easy, really, for the new executive if they want to completely gut the Department of Justice's ability to do more complex cases and more controversial cases."

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This episode of What A Day provides listeners with a comprehensive analysis of Matt Gaetz's potential role as Attorney General, the Senate's stance, and the possible future of the DOJ under his leadership. Jane Coaston ensures that the discussion remains informative and accessible, even for those who have not tuned into the show.

Transcript

[Jane Coston]

It's Thursday, November 14th. I'm Jane Coston, and this is what a day. The show where we're thinking of things more enjoyable than living through Trump's Cabinet pic, getting a colonoscopy, having a uti, walking in on your parents, having sex. On today's show, Trump and Biden sit down for a cordial meeting and GOP senators have chosen their new leader. Let's get into it. The Trump Cabinet pageant continues, and we're all about to find out which of the judges, AKA our elected US Senators, are willing to let President Elect Donald Trump run the show and crown the contestants he wants, even if they seem poised to face plant on stage or during their Senate confirmation hearing. This is a tortured metaphor, but we are a tortured people right now because on Wednesday we got the nomination heard round the Beltway and beyond. Trump announced on Truth Social that he's nominating Florida representative and contender for most hated member of Congress, Matt Gaetz, for the ROL of Attorney General of the United States. Gates has served four terms in the House. Prior to that, he spent a few years in the Florida State House. He did practice law briefly before entering politics, though. Ideally you would hope that the top lawyer at what's essentially the world's largest law firm, overseeing more than 10,000 attorneys, would have a few more legal bona fides. But in the world of maga, Gates trades in the highest currency of them all. Unending, excessively vocal, and shameless loyalty to Donald Trump. And he would absolutely help Trump make good on his campaign promises of using the Justice Department to go after his personal enemies. For his part, Gates seems super confident that he's headed for a promotion to Trump's Cabinet because on Wednesday he resigned from his House seat. And maybe he should be confident. Despite his obvious lack of qualifications and the fact that everyone hates him, it's an open question whether the Senate will block his nomination. Already some Republican senators are lining up behind him, like Tennessee's Bill Haggerty.

[Ken White]

Well, you know, Matt has been an.

[Unnamed Senator]

Outspoken advocate in the House for reform of the doj.

[Ken White]

As you mentioned, he's been on the.

[Jane Coston]

Receiving end of the DOJ's weaponization. And if you look at what's happened.

[Unnamed Senator]

With the doj, it's in desperate need of reform.

[Jane Coston]

Oklahoma's Mark Wayne Mullen, you know, Matt.

[Unnamed Senator]

Gaetz and I, there's no question that we've had our differences. They've been very public about it. I completely trust President Trump's decision making on this one.

[Jane Coston]

And Alabama's own failed football coach turned Senator Tommy Tuberville vote with President Trump. This is the last chance we're going.

[Unnamed Senator]

To have of saving this country.

[Jane Coston]

And if you want to get in the way, fine. But we're going to try to get.

[Unnamed Senator]

You out of the Senate, too, if.

[Jane Coston]

You try to do that. But on the upside, it won't take much to sink Gates nomination either. Already, one Republican senator, Alaska's Lisa Murkowski, has suggested some resistance. She told reporters Wednesday that she doesn't think Gates is, quote, a serious nomination for Attorney general. Any of Trump's nominees can only lose three votes in the Senate and still win confirmation. Trump has floated a potential workaround, recess appointments, which would allow him to install who he wants and bypass what could be some bruising and embarrassing hearings. But that's easier said than done. So what would an Attorney General Matt Gaetz actually mean for the Justice Department? To help us game that out, I spoke with Ken White, a former federal prosecutor and current criminal defense and civil litigation attorney. He also writes the POPAT newsletter and hosts the legal podcast Serious Trouble. Ken White, welcome to what a day.

[Unnamed Senator]

Thank you very much, Jane. I'm happy to be here. I'm a big fan.

[Jane Coston]

Thank you. So I can't believe I am asking you this, but what's your reaction to Donald Trump naming Matt Gaetz to be his Attorney general?

[Unnamed Senator]

Well, I started laughing and then I inhaled some saliva and coughed, and then some paralegals came into my office kind of concerned. That was my first reaction.

[Jane Coston]

How seriously should we take this? Because, yeah, like, it's hilarious in a very dark way. It's not like Matt Gaetz has an illustrious legal career or an illustrious anything career besides making everybody in the House hate him, which I think is quite impressive. But, like, on the other hand, it's very serious that someone who has openly embraced Trump's mission of retribution would even be considered for such a major position. Even though that actually checks out in a lot of ways.

[Unnamed Senator]

Right? I mean, it's kind of like as if a big, violent criminal threatens to beat you to death with a dildo, on one level is extremely silly, but on another level, it's perfectly serious and you have to take it seriously. So Matt Gaetz is somebody who, I mean, he has the experience of being a congressman and a state representative. He has a handful of years as a private practitioner after he went to law school, but he has really no relevant experience to run the United States Department of Justice, other than, I guess, being on the business end of an investigation.

[Jane Coston]

We'll get to that in a Minute. But if Gates is some kind of test balloon to see how loyal senators are to Trump, as some commentators are theorizing, because we're already starting to do that four dimensional chess thing, right? What does that mean?

[Unnamed Senator]

Well, you know, I'm more hesitant to talk to you about the political side, but I do think that, yes, this could be a test of his power, of what he's going to be able to get away with and how much senators will abase themselves doing whatever he wants. It could be trolling. It could be basically a head fake when he actually wants someone else later. But, you know, with Trump, I've learned it's often wrong to impute to him too complicated or elaborate of a strategy. It may be exactly what he looks like, that this is somebody who is stood up for him, who he sees as similarly a victim of the establishment, someone who trash talks the way he likes people to trash talk, someone he sees as an outsider and that pushes all the buttons for him.

[Jane Coston]

If Gates were to get appointed, what would that mean for the Justice Department and for Trump's retribution mission? As you mentioned, zero relevant experience here.

[Unnamed Senator]

Right. And, I mean, I was a federal prosecutor. It's not rocket science. But on the other hand, you genuinely have to know how, how a lot of complex systems work to be the Attorney General or you're not going to be effective at it. This is always the dilemma facing kind of populist types who say, hey, look at me, I'm going to bring in a complete outsider to run this department and clean house. The problem is they quickly learn that to clean house or to do anything with a department, you have to have some vague sense of how that department works. And I don't think Gates really does. I don't think he knows how the mechanisms of power are going to work there. And if he truly cleans house and just fires everybody who doesn't toady to him, then he's going to find it very difficult to make things work. Because, you know, the Justice Department is not self executing. It's got, it has relationships with its sub components and things like the FBI and dea, things like that. Those relationships can be fraught. And it has relationships with federal judges. It can't do things without judicial approval all the time. And if you get someone in there who's just going to do it like a clown show, then it may be very horrifying, but it may not be very effective at retaliation.

[Jane Coston]

Gates is currently under investigation by the House Ethics Committee. He has been the subject of a DOJ investigation for Sex trafficking. But that investigation was pretty weird and concluded without charges. What kind of message does this send to the rank and file attorneys within the doj?

[Unnamed Senator]

Well, I think they're going to be pretty horrified. Even federal prosecutors, who are kind of really raw, raw, true believer prosecutors and conservative. They're much more likely to be conservative in a more classic, like Reagan Republican or even George W. Bush Republican way. Very few are nut cases. And I think the vast majority of them are going to be horrified. Certainly the ones that I have been in contact with, who are my former colleagues and even a few who are still there, are horrified because they think it really, it diminishes the credibility of the Justice Department and its mission. And they worry about how chaos can really interfere with their ability to do important things.

[Jane Coston]

Trump is obviously not a fan of the doj.

[Unnamed Senator]

Right.

[Jane Coston]

What does it mean to create this department in his likeness?

[Unnamed Senator]

Well, we could see gigantic shifts in priorities that could have a dramatic impact. So, for instance, in my own experiences, the 1990s were sort of the days of wine and roses for criminal defense attorneys in the white collar industry. Right? Because the Department of Justice put a lot of emphasis on investigating fraud and Foreign Corrupt Practices act and things like that. You know, it was a all you could eat buffet. After 9, 11, you saw a huge shift in priorities to violent crime, immigration, drugs, terrorism, guns, that type of thing. And that dramatically changed the landscape for what kinds of cases were getting prosecuted. So you could see that again and you could see Department of Justice overwhelmingly emphasizing prosecution of particular types of cases to the exclusion of other types of cases. And where that gets you sometime is just a complete failure to carry the ball in some very important issues. So you remember, there are lots of criticisms of the Department of justice after 2008, after the financial system collapse, for not going after any of the misconduct and fraud that was inherent in that whole systemic collapse. And that's because of the shift in priorities. They didn't have the people ready to go. They didn't have the investigations going. So it's very easy, really, for the new executive if they want to completely gut the Department of Justice's ability to do more complex cases and more controversial cases. I'm talking about civil rights. I'm talking about, about claims against violence by police officers. I'm talking about voting rights violations. I'm talking about complex white collar investigations against people who are perhaps cronies of Trump. All those things could go away and you could have a, you know, 10 times as many immigration prosecutions.

[Jane Coston]

Trump has openly called for recess appointments as a way to get around the Senate's advise and consent role with these appointments. How would that work?

[Unnamed Senator]

Well, you know, I'm not a congressional procedural expert, but I did see, for instance, rumors that maybe Trump is going to discharge Congress and call it a recess and start appointing immediately. The thing is, these institutions, these rules are somewhat fragile and to some extent like Tinkerbell, they only stay alive to the extent we believe in them and decide to obey them. So if Trump is doing all this stuff and just appointing people, who exactly is going to stand up to him is the question. And I can't say that this group of senators have inspired me with their ability to stand up to him.

[Jane Coston]

So how do you think this ends? Do you think Matt Gaetz will be the next Attorney General of the United States?

[Unnamed Senator]

You know, I think that from all the reactions I've heard about, I think that the reaction to him is such one of horror and contempt that it's possible this is where they stand up and maybe then Trump goes on to someone else. I would honestly almost rather have it be Matt Gaetz than someone like Ken Paxton from Texas, someone who is super smart, understands all the levers of power, super ideological in a specific way, and not a clown show way, and willing to do big things to change the way justice is administered in America. So I'd almost rather have a buffoon than a shrewd evil person.

[Jane Coston]

Ken, thank you so much for joining me. I really appreciate your time.

[Unnamed Senator]

It's my pleasure. Thanks for asking.

[Jane Coston]

That was my conversation with Ken White, a former federal prosecutor and current criminal defense attorney who writes the Pope Hatt newsletter. We'll get to more of the news in a moment, but if you like the show, make sure to subscribe. Leave a five star review on Apple Podcasts, watch us on YouTube and share with your friends. More to come after some ad what a Day is brought to you by ramp. Many businesses use multiple disjointed tools to keep track of their finances and still have limited visibility to how their business is spending. RAMP streamlines finance operations with a single platform that makes managing finances easier. RAMP plays bad cops. You don't have to detecting policy violations, chasing missing documentation, requesting repayment, unlocking cards of non compliant employees and now get $250 when you join ramp. Just go to ramp.com wad ramp.com wad r a m p.com wad cards issued by Sutton bank member FDIC terms and conditions apply. What a Day is brought to you by the Zero Emission Transportation Association Education Fund. The Zeta Education Fund wants Americans to know about the positive economic impact the EV and battery supply chain is having on our communities. Like how it's already created 240,000 jobs and attracted $177 billion of investment. More than a million EVs were sold in the US last year and there are currently over 200,000 public charging locations in the United States. Join forces with the Zeta Education Fund and help spread the facts about what a transition to EVs means for the future of America. Get on board@zeta zeta.org join what a day is brought to you by Americans United for Separation of Church and state for over 75 years, Americans United for Separation of Church and State has tirelessly defended your right to live as yourself and believe as you choose. From protecting LGBTQIA rights and marriage equality to safeguarding reproductive freedom in our public schools, church, state separation is at the heart of our most vital freedoms. Americans United fights for every individual's freedom to believe as they choose, so long as they don't harm others. Join the fight today at au.org crooked and now the News Head of Lines.

[Unnamed Senator]

Politics is tough and it's in many.

[Jane Coston]

Cases not a very nice world.

[Unnamed Senator]

But it is a nice world today and I appreciate very much a transition that's so smooth. It'll be as smooth as it can get and I very much appreciate that.

[Jane Coston]

You're welcome. President Joe Biden and Trump met at the White House on Wednesday. The two sat down face to face after trading vicious blows in the run up to the election. It was like running into your ex, except if your ex accused you of being a pedophile and tried to stage a coup and constantly talked about sending you and your entire family to prison, but otherwise, yeah, exactly like that. Anyway, they met for almost two hours to discuss the transfer of power. White House press secretary Karine Jean Pierre said that Biden and Trump discussed issues of national security, security and domestic policy. One reporter asked her if Biden apologized to Trump for calling the President elect a threat to democracy on the campaign trail during the meeting, to which she said, the president is going to always.

[Unnamed Senator]

Feel obligated to be honest with the American people. What he says still stands.

[Jane Coston]

Never mind everything that Trump called Biden throughout the election cycle or the fact that Trump didn't even invite Biden to the White House in 2020. You know, cause there was the coup attempt.

[Unnamed Senator]

It's a new day in the United.

[Jane Coston]

States Senate and it's a new day in America. The American people have loudly rejected the.

[Unnamed Senator]

Failed policies of the Biden Harris Schumer agenda.

[Jane Coston]

That was newly elected Senate Majority Leader John Thune of South Dakota. Thune edged out Texas Senator John Cornyn by a few votes in a secret ballot on Wednesday. The victory came after major MAGA fuss over the need to rally behind Trump loyalist Rick Scott, but he was knocked out after the first round. And while Thune has more experience than Scott, he's also Mitch McConnell's protege. So not great. We will make sure that the President.

[Unnamed Senator]

And his team have the tools and support that they need to enforce border.

[Jane Coston]

Security laws and to remove the violent criminals who are wreaking havoc in every.

[Unnamed Senator]

One of our states.

[Jane Coston]

That should end well for America. The National Labor Relations Board issued a decision saying that employers cannot force employees to attend anti union meetings under threat, discharge or discipline. Organizers say that these so called captive audience meetings are a union busting tactic that hampers unionization efforts. The ruling is a result of a complaint against Amazon's actions back in 2022 during a push to unionize the Staten island warehouse. The decision sets a precedent that could have broad ranging effects across the country, especially for huge companies like Starbucks, Trader Joe's and rei, which are all trying to unionize. But don't get too excited, the ruling could easily be reversed by whoever President Elect Donald Trump taps to lead the nlrb Conspiracy theorist Alex Jones Infowars media empire was auctioned off on Wednesday. The results of the action are still unknown. Infowars was sold due to Jones personal bankruptcy which is a result of the almost $1.5 billion he was ordered to pay to the families of victims in the Sandy Hook shooting for defamation. In a video posted on Wednesday, Jones said the trial was a sham. The goal was never to get money. They rigged court cases, found me guilty.

[Unnamed Senator]

By the judges, had show trials produced.

[Jane Coston]

By hbo, completely fake, completely rigged. A thing I think about sometimes is the fact that Alex Jones attorney described him as a performance artist during his divorce hearings Anyway, on the auction block. Aside from Infowars itself, Jones desk microphones, more shady supplements than anyone could possibly need and an armored truck. In order to bid in the auction, potential buyers had to sign non disclosure agreements. The winner will be selected by a court appointed trustee for Jones bankruptcy case, not necessarily the highest bidder. Jones fate could be drastically different depending on whether the winner is a friend or a foe. Rumored bidders range from Roger Stone to Elon Musk to the company that owns the Onion. Jones waxed poetic about the ambiguity in a video posted Tuesday. But I pledge the enemy this. I have never been stronger in the Lord. And I promise you that if you think you have faced resistance so far, we're bringing the victory in the name of Jesus Christ. The Lord does not want to be a part of this narrative. The Lord is busy, and that's the news. One more thing. I am, to put it mildly, not happy about all of this happening. I did not want Donald Trump to win the election. I do not want Matt Gaetz to be Attorney general, because I would not let Matt Gaetz watch my dog. Senator Marco Rubio as Secretary of State. No thank you. And Pete Hegseth, a guy who thinks committing war crimes is a sign of true patriotism does not fill my heart with joy. But as someone who was working in journalism during the first Trump administration, there are a few things I learned about dealing with all this bullshit that I think will be useful to remember. First and foremost, it is bullshit. Steve Bannon, Trump's chief strategist back in 2016, once said that the real opposition to Trump wasn't the Democrats, it was the media. And the best way to deal with them was to, quote, flood the zone with shit. Trump and his allies just keep saying insane things. The media reports on the insane things that they say, and even if there's a fact check, all you remember are the insane things they said. Did this happen? Is it true? It doesn't matter. So pick your battles. Find good news sources like Water Day and pick the stuff you're going to focus on and care about and get enraged by. You cannot spend the next four years staring at your phone and yelling, can you believe this? At passersby. Secondly, There is no 4D chess. There is no secret Trump strategy. If Trump wants to hire someone, even if they're a raving maniac who spends a lot of time talking about how they want to bowhunt liberals on the Internet, it's not because there's some plan to make some other maniac look better in comparison. It's because Trump wants to hire that person. And finally, do not fall for the temptation of the one easy trick. I've seen some tiktoks arguing that Trump didn't really win and there's some grand solution coming that will make sure he doesn't see the White House. There isn't. There will be people who claim that only they can stop Donald Trump if you just give them your attention and maybe your money. They can't. Google Michael Avenatti if you need a refresher. The only way out of this is through. If we're going to stand up to this and we are, Then we have to do it together. Not by giving into fear every time Trump says he's going to take a look at something and not by deciding that Trump is actually much smarter than he actually is, and not by selecting some random hero who tells you they can save us all. We do it with down ballot Democrats and union leadership and organizers who actually do stuff with people in public. It'll involve going to meetings and compromising and doing a bunch of stuff that is very boring and quite difficult. Most importantly, it'll involve doing, not posting or worrying or panicking or turning away hoping someone else deals with it. Before we go wondering what comes next, Stacey Abrams talks with historian Heather Cox Richardson to see how history can guide us forward. Together they dive into strategies for countering disinformation, harnessing states rights, and how past eras can inspire progress today. Plus, Stacey answers audience questions about getting involved and impacting your community in this post election environment. Listen to the latest episode of Assembly Required now or watch on YouTube. That's all for today. If you like the show, make sure you subscribe, leave a review. Pray that Matt Gaetz is despised by his colleagues enough to lose his confirmation vote because this is a show that roots for haters and tell your friends to listen. And if you're into reading and not just all of the freaky rules of the Infowars Auction like me, Water Day is also a nightly newsletter. Check it out and [e-mail] subscribe I'm Jayan Coston and someone please get me the Infowars desk. You know, for my house. Water Day is a production of Crooked Media. It's recorded and mixed by Desmond Taylor. Our associate producer is Raven Yamamoto. Our producer is Michelle Eloy. We had production help today from Tyler Hill, Johanna Case, Joseph Dutra, Greg Walters and Julia Clare. Our senior producer is Erica Morrison and our executive producer is Adrian Hill. Our theme music is by Colin Gilliard and Kashaka.

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[Unnamed Senator]

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