Mike Waltz Loses Job, Gets A New One

Summary

What A Day – Episode: Mike Waltz Loses Job, Gets A New One Release Date: May 2, 2025
Host: Josie Duffy Rice (in place of Jane Coaston)
Produced by: Crooked Media

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1. National Security Shakeup: Mike Waltz's Departure

The episode kicks off with a significant development in the Trump administration's national security apparatus. On Thursday, President Donald Trump announced the removal of National Security Adviser Mike Waltz from his position. This decision came weeks after Waltz inadvertently added journalist Jeffrey Goldberg, the editor in chief of The Atlantic, to a confidential Signal group chat discussing a military operation in Yemen.

• Waltz's Gaffe: In March, Waltz included Goldberg in the chat and later claimed that his contact was “sucked in to his phone” (00:02).

Despite previous reassurances from Trump that Waltz would not be fired for the mishap, the president has now decided to reassign him within the administration.

2. Reassignment to Ambassador to the United Nations

Instead of outright dismissal, Trump is nominating Waltz to serve as the U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations. This move is presented as a promotion by Vice President J.D. Vance.

• J.D. Vance’s Statement:

  “So he wasn't let go. He is being made ambassador to the United nations, which, of course, is a Senate confirmed position. I think you can make a good argument that it's a promotion...” (03:10)

This strategic repositioning allows Waltz to remain within the administration while mitigating the fallout from the Signal chat incident.

3. Marco Rubio Takes on Additional Roles

In the wake of Waltz's departure, Secretary of State Marco Rubio has been appointed as the interim National Security Adviser. This marks Rubio’s third or fourth role within the administration, raising concerns about the concentration of responsibilities.

• Host’s Commentary:

  “This is Rubio's like, third, fourth job, maybe so many jobs. This is the efficiency dream.” (00:02)

Rubio now juggles his duties as Secretary of State, interim National Security Adviser, and head of the National Archives, leading to questions about the sustainability and effectiveness of such an arrangement.

4. In-Depth Analysis with Jake Traylor

4.1. Factors Behind Waltz’s Ouster

White House Reporter Jake Traylor from Politico provides insights into the timing and reasons behind Waltz’s removal.

• Traylor’s Insights:

  “They got rid of Waltz because of the Signal Group chat that became so infamous and looked so, so rough for the administration.” (04:13)

Traylor suggests that the administration had been planning Waltz’s departure to avoid the appearance of instability, using the Signal incident as the pretext.

4.2. Influence of Far-Right Activist Laura Loomer

The conversation explores whether Laura Loomer, a far-right activist, influenced Trump’s decision to oust Waltz.

• Traylor on Loomer’s Role:

  “...Loomer brought up Waltz as one of the individuals who is not good for Trump to have around in his administration.” (05:31)

While Loomer claims credit for Waltz's ouster, her direct impact remains ambiguous, with Loomer himself responding only with the term “loomered” when questioned (05:31).

5. Speculation on Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth

The episode delves into rumors surrounding Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth’s possible removal, highlighting the administration’s cautious approach to personnel changes.

• Traylor’s Perspective:

  “Trump does not care too much about titles... Marco Rubio doubling as Secretary of State, but also now as NSA...” (06:46)

Hegseth’s tenure is under scrutiny due to controversies, but Trump’s efforts to present a more stable administration suggest that any changes would require substantial justification.

6. Administration's Stability and Future Prospects

Despite efforts to present a stable second term, recent turnovers signal potential volatility within the administration.

• Traylor’s Observation:

  “This is kind of true to form. Trump doesn't mean it's an entire return to the first administration...” (11:20)

Traylor warns that the administration's reliance on Trump's personal loyalty may lead to unpredictable shifts, even as attempts are made to avoid the high turnover seen in Trump’s first term.

7. Kamala Harris’s Return to the Public Sphere

Former Vice President Kamala Harris delivered her first major public speech since leaving office, signaling a potential political comeback.

• Harris’s Speech Highlights:

  “...fear is not the only thing that's contagious. Courage is contagious.” (16:17)

Speaking at an event hosted by Emerge in San Francisco, Harris criticized Trump’s policies on tariffs, immigration, and education, hinting at a possible gubernatorial run in California for 2026.

8. Joe and Jill Biden’s Upcoming Appearance on The View

Former President Joe Biden and former First Lady Jill Biden are set to appear jointly on ABC's The View on May 8, marking their first interview since leaving the White House. This appearance suggests Biden’s eagerness to remain engaged in the political discourse.

• Host’s Note:

  “The Bidens appearance is set for May 8.” (16:53)

9. DOJ’s Legal Actions Against States Over Fossil Fuels

The Department of Justice (DOJ) has filed lawsuits against Hawaii and Michigan to preemptively block these states from suing fossil fuel companies for climate change-related damages.

• DOJ’s Argument:

  “...states' planned legal actions threaten American energy independence.” (15:52)

Legal experts criticize this strategy as unconventional, noting that typically, a plaintiff must first initiate a lawsuit before any defensive legal actions can be taken.

10. Changes in Vaccine Testing Protocols by HHS

Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. announced a shift in vaccine testing methodologies, advocating for placebo-controlled trials even for diseases with existing effective vaccines.

• HHS Statement:

  “All new vaccines will undergo safety testing in placebo controlled trials prior to licensure.” (15:52)

Medical experts express concerns over the ethical implications and potential delays, especially for vaccines against well-controlled diseases like polio and measles.

Conclusion

In just over a hundred days back in office, Trump's administration faces significant challenges, including high-profile personnel changes, legal battles over climate policies, and controversial shifts in public health protocols. Meanwhile, former officials like Kamala Harris and Joe Biden remain active on the political stage, hinting at continued engagement and potential future campaigns.

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Notable Quotes:

• J.D. Vance on Waltz's Reassignment (03:10):

  “We brought Mike on to do some serious reforms of the National Security Council. He has done that. I like Mike. I think he's a great guy. He's got the trust of both me and the president.”

• Jake Traylor on Administration Volatility (11:20):

  “Trump doesn’t mean it's an entire return to the first administration. But I think a lot of us kind of had senses something like this was coming all along and it's kind of coming to fruition now.”

• Kamala Harris on Courage vs. Fear (16:17):

  “...fear is not the only thing that's contagious. Courage is contagious.”

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Timestamps Reference:

• 00:02 – Introduction by Josie Duffy Rice
• 03:10 – J.D. Vance’s Statement on Waltz
• 04:13 – Jake Traylor Discusses Waltz’s Ouster
• 05:31 – Discussion on Laura Loomer's Influence
• 06:46 – Marco Rubio’s Expanded Roles
• 11:20 – Jake Traylor on Administration Stability
• 15:52 – DOJ's Lawsuits and Vaccine Testing Changes
• 16:17 – Kamala Harris’s Speech
• 16:53 – Biden’s Upcoming Appearance

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Transcript

[Josie Duffy Rice]

It is Friday, May 2nd. I'm Josie Duffy Rice in for Jane Coston. And this is what a day. The show that can't stop laughing at the fact that the man Trump once derided as Little Marco is now running half the government. Good for you, Little Marco. Get a pay raise. Don't be shy. On today's show, the Department of Justice preemptively sues states before the states can sue fossil fuel companies. Yes, you heard that correctly. And former President Joe Biden announces his first daytime talk show appearance since leaving the White House. But let's start with the administration's national security shakeup. On Thursday, President Donald Trump announced that he was ousting National Security Adviser Mike Waltz weeks after Waltz accidentally added a journalist to a Signal group chat. For those who may have forgotten, in March, Waltz included Jeffrey Goldberg, editor in chief of the Atlantic, in a confidential chat discussing details about a military operation in Yemen. He later claimed that Goldberg's contact was, quote, sucked in to his phone. After that, Waltz's future in the administration was clearly uncertain. But Trump denied that he was planning on firing Waltz for the gaffe. But as of Thursday, Waltz is moving on. The king of firing people is playing this one a little more demurely. He posted on Truth Social that Waltz would be taking his talents to a different part of the Trump administration. The President has said he will nominate Waltz to be his ambassador to the United Nations. Meanwhile, Trump said Secretary of State Marco Rubio will serve as interim National Security advisor. So if you are keeping track at home, this is Rubio's like, third, fourth job, maybe so many jobs. This is the efficiency dream. Have the guy responsible for our international relationships and our national security work part time in both those roles. Great.

[Tammy Bruce]

Yeah.

[Josie Duffy Rice]

Makes a lot of sense. Here's State Department spokesperson Tammy Bruce learning in real time that her boss has.

[Tammy Bruce]

Just been given yet another job.

[Jake Traylor]

It is clear that I just heard this from you. I had, I. This is the. The magic.

[Josie Duffy Rice]

Clearly surprised by this news, Bruce tried to improvise a coherent response.

[Jake Traylor]

It is, as I think would be clear to all of you. You don't want to get ahead of your skis in drawing conclusions or speculating about what may occur. And you can have a general sense of what's possible and then you see that manifest usually. But I think the one thing I certainly've learned is that things don't happen until the President says they're going to happen. So the fact that that is. Which was obviously truth social. Yeah.

[Josie Duffy Rice]

Again, Waltz's departure is not a shock exactly. Given that he added one of the most famous journalists in America to a chat about a military attack.

[Tammy Bruce]

But it is still a blow to.

[Josie Duffy Rice]

The administration, which has been trying to avoid the high turnover that characterized Trump's first term. And that seems to be the reason that Trump is working so hard to spin this. Here's Vice President J.D.

[Tammy Bruce]

Vance on Thursday.

[J.D. Vance]

So he wasn't let go. He is being made ambassador to the United nations, which, of course, is a Senate confirmed position. I think you can make a good argument that it's a promotion, but we brought Mike on to do some serious reforms of the National Security Council. He has done that. I like Mike. I think he's a great guy. He's got the trust of both me and the president.

[Josie Duffy Rice]

I love this. He's like, we brought him on to fix national security. He did it in a hundred days. So we're just gonna put him in another job. Now it's time for him to take on another Trump priority, human rights and international cooperation. I spoke to Jake Traylor, White House reporter for Politico, about Waltz's departure and the possibility of other transitions due to Signalgate as speculation about Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth continues.

[Tammy Bruce]

Jake, welcome to what a Day.

[Jake Traylor]

Thanks for having me.

[Tammy Bruce]

What a day, What a day.

[Josie Duffy Rice]

What a day. That's every day these days.

[Tammy Bruce]

So, Waltz, his ouster had been rumored for a while. Why do you think this is happening now?

[Jake Traylor]

Yeah, it's really interesting. And my colleagues over at Politico, Dasha Burns and Rachel Baid, had some really great reporting on this in March, saying basically that the plan all along was that we would see Waltz eventually get kicked in some capacity, that essentially they did not want it to look like that. They got rid of Waltz because of the Signal Group chat that became so infamous and looked so, so rough for the administration. And then what's still really interesting to me is in all the reporting about Waltz being ousted from his position, the fact that then, hours later, Trump then announces that he's shifting him over to the UN I'm still curious if that was a product of him trying to save face and not see him fired, as we saw in the first administration, or if that was actually the plan all along. So I can't say as to why today specifically. We just, it seemed as though wanted to wait for things to die down, and obviously things are fully back in commotion so far.

[Josie Duffy Rice]

Right activist.

[Tammy Bruce]

I feel like that's not even a strong enough descriptor for Laura Loomer. Yeah, she's something, but let's call her.

[Josie Duffy Rice]

A far right activist. Right.

[Tammy Bruce]

She's taking credit for this for getting Waltz ousted. Is there any truth to that? Like, what do we know about what actually influenced Trump to take this step?

[Jake Traylor]

Yeah, a couple things. One, we know all along that President Trump was very upset with Waltz and that the situation took place. Waltz is the one, of course, that for those that have had their heads under a rock, he was the one that added the original journalist from the Atlantic into the Signal Group chat. So we knew all along that, like, Waltz was the kind of the scapegoat, the person to blame. Separately, Trump met with Laura Loomer, I think, weeks ago now, and it is believed, and it's been reported, I believe as well, that Loomer brought up Waltz as one of the individuals who is not good for Trump to have around in his administration. So to fully credit this happening to Laura Loomer and to the meeting she had with Trump now weeks ago, may be too much to assign. She did, however, Politico reached out to her and asked about, was this one of the ones that you had said that you wanted to get out? She just responded one word, loomered, which is her kind of infamous word for what she does when she gets someone canceled or ousted or taken down.

[Josie Duffy Rice]

Right.

[Tammy Bruce]

You mentioned that Trump is nominating Waltz to be the next ambassador to the UN And I'm wondering, I mean, on.

[Josie Duffy Rice]

One hand, that's a big job to.

[Tammy Bruce]

Give someone that you clearly think you can't trust and doesn't know how to, you know.

[Josie Duffy Rice]

But on the other hand, is this.

[Tammy Bruce]

A demotion for him?

[Jake Traylor]

Yeah. Well, it's certainly interesting because some would argue this Ambassador of the Union role could be a more significant role than the one he was currently in. I mean, the ambassador to the United nations is a very significant role, especially right now in terms of just everything going on globally in Trump's kind of isolationist technique. But for a long time, there's been criticism of Waltz in this position even before Signalgate took place. I would say, at least publicly, this doesn't appear as a demotion. Trump doesn't. Isn't one to care too much about titles per se when it comes to stuff like this. And now, craziest of all is Marco Rubio doubling as Secretary of State, but also now as NSA as well.

[Josie Duffy Rice]

Yeah, well, that's what I was gonna.

[Tammy Bruce]

Ask you about next. So Marco Rubio has too many jobs. I think we could, we can all agree. New interim National Security Advisor, Secretary of State, national archivist.

[Josie Duffy Rice]

Right.

[Tammy Bruce]

So with these kind of two huge national security roles. How does this work?

[Jake Traylor]

Yeah, I think, honestly, Josie, the answer is we don't fully know yet. Like, these. These roles, though, they have a lot of overlap. Secretary of State and National Security Advisor, they have overlap. They're also certainly different. I think for context, I don't think this has been done simultaneously since it was. Henry Kissinger held both titles under Nixon and the Ford administration. And then you're right, like, not that these are significant roles, but on top of these two very significant roles, he also is serving as the head of the National Archives. So, like, he has four titles now in this administration. I will say Marco Rubio has been actively present for a lot of these meetings and a lot of these conversations. We've seen him in the Oval Office and in these rooms, but he also kind of has been to the side. Like, it's been a lot of, like, Steve Witkoff, or it's been Trump himself, or it's been J.D. vance. And then Marco Rubio has kind of been like, the fourth or fifth player at the table. And so it's. It kind of feels like he's just picked up another, like, side character plot role in this big Trump administration where he's got a lot of important titles, but he's certainly not acting as a conventional Secretary of State. I don't imagine he'll act as a conventional National Security Advisor as well.

[Josie Duffy Rice]

Well, the two jobs do feel like you.

[Tammy Bruce]

They come from a different position. Right. One of them is a little bit more defensive or oppositional. Right. And then the Secretary of State is kind of a mediation job. Right. It's like building relationships, et cetera. I wonder just how you think the two different goals of these roles, having one person play them, how that's gonna play out.

[Jake Traylor]

Well, I'll just add on top of that is you also have. You have these two roles that you're right. In some ways, they can be potentially adversarial, and that's intention to kind of have a full scope of a White House administration. It's kind of why it's meant to be held by two different individuals, two different motivations separately. On top of that, you kind of have, like, Marco Rubio still, who has a kind of somewhat previous, like, hawkish stance when it comes to international affairs now playing into the Trump isolationism as well. And so it's like he's balancing what Trump wants versus what he kind of used to be on top of. Now, this NSA role, on top of the Secretary of State role as well. I'm curious how much of A, yes. He had in agreeing to this additional tacked on role that he took on.

[Tammy Bruce]

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, so there are a couple other rumors swirling around, right, that possibly, as you mentioned before, Steve Wykoff could be the next National Security Advisor. There are rumors that Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth could be the next one to be, you know, removed from his position. What do you think about both of those?

[Josie Duffy Rice]

And on the Hegseth point, where do.

[Tammy Bruce]

You think would be the tipping point for Trump to actually get rid of him?

[Jake Traylor]

Yeah, it's a good question, because I think what we've seen is Donald Trump likes Pete Hegseth, and he has liked him. And we even saw in the Cabinet meeting, like just a couple days ago, like he joked with him, like, oh, my most controversial Cabinet member. Like Trump's aware of the controversy surrounding Hegseth, but, like, views him kind of as this, like, maverick who has faced a lot of controversy. I don't know what will be the thing to tip Trump off on Hegseth. Also, it's worth noting too, the White House and Trump have very heavily attempted to not have a first administration like they had, where people were flying out left and right, where there was infighting, where there was firings. I think at all costs, they're trying to avoid another version of this. So I think it would take a lot for Hegseth. That being said, there are a lot of eyes on Hegseth and there's a lot of concern around how much he can be trusted and how much authority he should be given right now, given everything that's happened over at the Pentagon.

[Tammy Bruce]

Yeah, I mean, the point you just made about Trump trying to signal a sort of different second administration.

[Josie Duffy Rice]

Right.

[Tammy Bruce]

Especially when it comes to their turnover. And now we're just, at this point.

[Josie Duffy Rice]

He'S 100 days back in office.

[Tammy Bruce]

The administration's kind of trying to spin.

[Josie Duffy Rice]

This term so far as, like, pure success.

[Tammy Bruce]

But there's been a shift this week. We got some bad poll numbers, the economy numbers, you know, and now the first, what looks like an ouster of a top advisor, no matter how they try to spin it. So what do you think? Is this a vibe shift? What are we seeing right now? Like, how do, how do you kind of think that this plays out going forward?

[Jake Traylor]

Yeah. I'll tell you this, this is not the 100 day fodder the Trump administration was probably hoping for. Like, this week, this 100 day marker of the administration is supposed to be kind of celebratory of all the things that have been done and we've seen the Trump administration do a lot of that, talk about the promises they've kept so far, but Trump is still Trump and his team. You have these loyalists come in where the major measure or marker of who is to come in is how loyal are they to Donald Trump. And because of that, I think you end up with there are some holes in this administration or there are some allegiances of who does Trump like the most or who does he have favor with? And maybe he has favor with someone today, but it goes away tomorrow. That's a very volatile metric or measure to have. And so as we see Trump potentially turn on Waltz, as we maybe see him turn on Hegseth, I think this is kind of inevitable. And it doesn't mean that all the marbles are now gonna fall out and we're gonna see firings left and right per se. But I do think this is kind of true to form. Trump doesn't mean it's an entire return to the first administration. But I think a lot of us kind of had senses something like this was coming all along and it's kind of coming to fruition now.

[Tammy Bruce]

Jake, thank you so much for joining us.

[Jake Traylor]

Thanks for having me.

[Josie Duffy Rice]

That was my conversation with Jake Traylor, White House Reporter for Politico. We'll get to more of the news in a moment, but if you like the show, make sure to subscribe, leave a five star review on Apple Podcasts, watch us on YouTube and share with your friends. More to come after some ads.

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[Josie Duffy Rice]

Here's what else we're following today.

[Jake Traylor]

Head of Lines.

[Kamala Harris]

Instead of an administration working to advance America's highest ideals, we are witnessing the wholesale abandonment of those ideals.

[Josie Duffy Rice]

Former Vice President Kamala Harris gave her first major public speech since she left office. She spoke Wednesday at an event in San Francisco hosted by Emerge, an organization that backs Democratic women candidates running for office. And during her speech, she slammed her former opponent and now commander in chief, Donald Trump. Harris went off about everything from the president's tariffs to his immigration crackdown to his assault on colleges and universities.

[Kamala Harris]

We all know President Trump and his administration and their allies are counting on the notion that fear can be contagious. They are counting on the notion that if they make some people afraid, it will have a chilling effect on others. But what they're overlooking, what they have overlooked, is that fear is not the only thing that's contagious. Courage is contagious.

[Josie Duffy Rice]

Harris has largely kept out of the public eye since her loss in 2024. Her fiery speech Wednesday could signal that she's gearing up for a political comeback. It's rumored that she's weighing a bid for California governor in 2026. Sources told ABC News in March that she will make a decision by the end of the summer. Former President Joe Biden seems itching to step back into the spotlight as well. He and former first lady Jill Biden are scheduled to appear live on ABC's.

[Tammy Bruce]

The View Next week.

[Josie Duffy Rice]

It will be their first joint interview since leaving the White House. The Biden's choice to do the view makes sense. Joe became the first sitting president to appear live on the show last September, and he's been a guest on the show nearly a dozen times. The Bidens appearance is set for May 8. A federal judge barred the Trump administration on Thursday from using the Alien Enemies act to deport Venezuelans in South Texas it deems to be criminals. The ruling is a blow to the administration's continuous crackdown on immigration, so let's back up for a little bit of context. Earlier this year, the administration labeled the Venezuelan gang trend Aragua as a designated foreign terrorist organization. And in March, Trump issued a proclamation claiming that TDA is threatening an invasion of the US in order to justify deporting alleged gang members through the Alien Enemies Act. In his ruling on Thursday, U.S. district Court Judge Fernando Rodriguez Jr. A Trump nominee, by the way, said that the proclamation does not describe actions by TDA that fall within the statute's meaning of invasion. Also, just a very important reminder here, the Alien Enemies act has only been invoked three times in US History before Trump, and all of them were during times of war. And judges in multiple states have since temporarily blocked the deportation of migrants detained under the law. The Department of Justice sued Hawaii and Michigan over their plans to sue fossil fuel companies for harms caused by climate change. The DOJ announced the two separate lawsuits on Thursday. And this comes after Hawaii Governor Josh Green said earlier this week that his state intends to sue oil and gas companies and make them pay for damages caused by climate change. He cited the 2023 Maui wildfires. And Michigan Attorney General Dana Nestle said last year that she may pursue litigation against the fossil fuel industry for negative impacts on her state's climate and environment. But Hawaii and Michigan haven't sued yet. The Trump administration is suing the states preemptively to stop them from suing in the future. The DOJ argues that Hawaii and Michigan's planned legal actions, quote, threaten American energy independence. Legal experts say that this you can't sue if we sue you first maneuver is pretty unusual. In fact, one expert told the New York Times, quote, procedurally, it's wacky. You learned this day one of law school, you can't just someone has to do something true to sue them. Come on. The DOJ also said on Thursday that it sued the states of Vermont and New York over their climate Superfund laws that require fossil fuel companies to chip in for state initiatives to prevent and repair damage caused by climate change. Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Is planning on changing the way some vaccines are tested, spurring concern from medical experts. The potential shift would require new vaccines to go through placebo trials, meaning some people would receive the vaccine and others would receive a dud like a saline shot, and then the results would be compared, an HHS spokesperson said in a statement. Quote, all new vaccines will undergo safety testing in placebo controlled trials prior to licensure, a radical departure from past practices. Health experts say it's common to test vaccines for new viruses this way, but they say it makes little sense to do this for diseases where effective vaccines already exist, like polio or measles. Not to mention, it's potentially unethical. You'd essentially be giving someone a placebo for a disease with an existing effective intervention, leaving them more vulnerable to getting sick. The new testing could delay Covid boosters in the fall, and that's the news before we go as we all know, in just a hundred days, Donald Trump has blown up America's role on the world stage, pulling out of the World Health Organization, slashing foreign aid, retreating from NATO. On this week's Assembly Required, Stacey Abrams talks with Ben Rhodes from Pod Save the World about how Trump and his MAGA allies are dismantling the global order, what it means for democracy worldwide, and whether there's still time to stop it. Listen to Assembly Required now. Wherever you get your podcasts or on YouTube. That is all for today. If you like the show, make sure you subscribe, Leave a review, don't let your boss make you do multiple jobs and tell your friends to listen. If you are into reading and not just transcripts of Mike Waltz's signal chats during Cabinet meetings. What a Day is also a nightly newsletter, so check it out and subscribe. [e-mail] subscribe I'm Josie Duffy Rice and little Marco. Update your resume. Recruiters are gonna love you.

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