Stacey Abrams on America's Food Insecurity Crisis

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Stacey Abrams on America's Food Insecurity Crisis"

Podcast Information

• Title: What A Day
• Host: Jane Coaston, Crooked Media
• Episode: Stacey Abrams on America's Food Insecurity Crisis
• Release Date: November 27, 2024
• Duration: Approximately 24 minutes

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Introduction

In this episode of What A Day, host Jane Coaston delves into the pressing issue of food insecurity in America, especially poignant during the Thanksgiving season. She welcomes Stacey Abrams, a renowned politician, voting rights activist, and host of Crooked Media's podcast Assembly Required. Together, they explore the roots of food insecurity, current challenges, and actionable solutions to address this persistent problem.

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Stacey Abrams on Food Insecurity

Personal Connection and Passion Stacey Abrams opens the conversation by sharing her personal connection to food insecurity, stemming from her upbringing in a family that often struggled to make ends meet.

• Quote: “I grew up in a family that made ends meet, but sometimes it took a lot of struggle, a lot of pulling... Hunger is one of those fundamental challenges that is both solvable and perennial.” [02:33]

Critique of Brooke Rollins' Nomination Abrams expresses deep concern over President Trump's nominee for the Department of Agriculture, Brooke Rollins, highlighting her conservative ideology that may hinder the expansion of anti-hunger programs.

• Quote: “If you make a condition of getting food aid access to something you are denied access to, you are guaranteeing hunger.” [03:52]

Project 2025 and Food Programs Abrams discusses Project 2025, emphasizing its intentions to cut essential food programs like SNAP (Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program) and WIC (Women, Infants, and Children), which are vital for the most vulnerable populations.

• Quote: “Project 2025 is designed to harm communities. That is its purpose.” [05:37]

Solutions to Food Insecurity Abrams outlines several strategies to combat food insecurity, focusing on federal support, community initiatives, and systemic changes.

1. Year-Round Support: Emphasizes the importance of continuous support for food banks rather than seasonal aid.

   • Quote: “Make sure that if this is an issue that matters to you, that you're giving and not just giving during Christmas and during Thanksgiving.” [09:38]

2. Community Engagement: Encourages communities to organize potlucks and address zoning issues that prevent grocery stores from operating in certain neighborhoods.

3. Educational Initiatives: References her children's book, Stacy Speaks Up, which educates young readers on addressing hunger and encourages civic participation.

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Tom Colicchio on State-Level Solutions

During the episode, Jane Coaston references a prior discussion Stacey had with celebrity chef Tom Colicchio on her podcast, Assembly Required. Colicchio emphasizes the critical role of state and local governments in addressing hunger.

• Quote (Tom Colicchio): “This isn't just an issue of poverty because there's hunger in every single county in this country.” [09:03]

Abrams echoes these sentiments, highlighting the broader implications of food insecurity beyond just economic status.

• Quote: “It's not about race. It is not about region. It's not even totally about income. It's about access.” [07:49]

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Brian Tyler Cohen on Discussing Politics During Thanksgiving

Later in the episode, Jane Coaston transitions to a segment featuring Brian Tyler Cohen, a popular progressive YouTuber, discussing strategies for navigating political conversations at family gatherings.

Avoidance vs. Engagement Cohen shares his personal approach of avoiding political discussions to maintain peace during Thanksgiving.

• Quote: “I choose peace and I choose avoidance because I'm from the Midwest and that's what we do.” [19:51]

Advice for Productive Conversations He offers practical advice for those who wish to engage in political dialogues without escalating tensions:

1. Know When to Engage: Recognizes that not all conversations will be fruitful and advises focusing energy on persuadable individuals.

   • Quote: “Focus our energy on people who are up for grabs, who are persuadable.” [23:04]

2. Be Prepared with Facts: Encourages consuming reliable progressive media to effectively counter misinformation.

   • Quote: “My goal is to equip people with some facts that they can bring into these conversations.” [21:59]

Humorous Closing on Pumpkin Pie The segment concludes with a lighthearted debate on the merits of pumpkin pie, illustrating the challenges of finding common ground.

• Quote (Cohen): “I think pumpkin pie is overrated.” [23:55]
• Jane Coaston: “There will be more pumpkin pie for me.” [24:19]

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Conclusion

This episode of What A Day provides an insightful exploration of America's food insecurity crisis through the expertise and personal experiences of Stacey Abrams. It underscores the systemic challenges and political barriers that exacerbate hunger while offering practical solutions and emphasizing the importance of community and policy-level interventions. Additionally, the episode offers valuable advice on maintaining constructive conversations about politics during family gatherings, balancing serious discourse with moments of levity.

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Notable Quotes:

• Stacey Abrams [02:33]: “Hunger is one of those fundamental challenges that is both solvable and perennial.”
• Stacey Abrams [03:52]: “If you make a condition of getting food aid access to something you are denied access to, you are guaranteeing hunger.”
• Tom Colicchio [09:03]: “This isn't just an issue of poverty because there's hunger in every single county in this country.”
• Brian Tyler Cohen [21:59]: “My goal is to equip people with some facts that they can bring into these conversations.”
• Brian Tyler Cohen [23:55]: “I think pumpkin pie is overrated.”

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Final Thoughts

What A Day effectively highlights the urgency of addressing food insecurity in America, shedding light on both personal narratives and broader policy implications. Stacey Abrams' passionate advocacy offers listeners a comprehensive understanding of the issue, while the practical tips provided by Brian Tyler Cohen empower individuals to navigate politically charged environments respectfully and constructively.

Transcript

[Jane Costen]

It's Wednesday, November 27th. I'm Jane Costen, and this is Water Day, the show that is not feeling very bad for former New York City mayor and Trump lackey Rudy Giuliani, who revealed to a judge on Tuesday that he is totally broke and definitely couldn't hand over more of his assets to the two election workers he defamed. As he told US District Judge Lewis Lindman, I don't have a car. I don't have a credit card. I don't have cash. Sad. On today's show, some good, good news in Lebanon and a conversation about how to have a conversation about politics at Thanksgiving. If you want to, let's get into it. Tomorrow's Thanksgiving Day in the United States, and many of us will be celebrating with full tables. But for millions of Americans, food insecurity is a daily problem year round. According to the USDA, roughly 14% of American households dealt with food insecurity at some point during 2023. That means that they didn't know where their next meal was coming from or whether they could afford to feed everyone in their home. That's about 18 million households, homes that probably look very similar to yours. One person who cares a lot about this issue is Stacey Abrams. You know Stacey, she's a politician, voting rights activist, and host of Crooked Media's podcast, Assembly Required. Stacy has spent years talking about how food insecurity impacts communities of all kinds and what we can do about it. She recently chatted with celebrity chef and food activist Tom Colicchio for her show, and we got to discuss what she's learned about food insecurity, why she's passionate about the issue, and what we can do about it every single day of the year. Stacy, welcome to what a Day.

[Stacey Abrams]

Thank you for having me.

[Jane Costen]

So you've talked about how food insecurity is an issue that's near and dear to your heart. Where does that passion come from?

[Stacey Abrams]

I grew up in a family that made ends meet, but sometimes it took a lot of struggle, a lot of pulling. Unfortunately, for so many of the kids I grew up with, it was an everyday experience. And my parents, one of the things they would have us do when we were growing up, they would take us to volunteer. And their point was, no matter how little we had, there was someone with less. Your job is to serve that person. And so we would go to food banks and soup kitchens, and we were like, you guys do know we're poor, too, right? But for them, that wasn't the point. It was to serve to solve the problem. Not serve to solve yourselves. And it stuck with me that hunger is one of those fundamental challenges that is both solvable and perennial.

[Jane Costen]

Trump announced Brooke Rollins as his nominee to lead the Department of Agriculture. And you've talked on your show before about how the USDA oversees the nation's biggest anti hunger program, the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP for short. What was your reaction to Rollins nomination and what impact do you expect her to have on food insecurity in the.

[Stacey Abrams]

U.S. i am deeply concerned about her nomination because she has made her practice of participation in public service around conservative ideology that includes this notion that children aren't entitled to service. And unfortunately, that ethos is what has limited expansion of the food hunger programs for children in schools. She has espoused, or at least seems to be tangential to this notion of nutrient dense foods as the only source of food benefit and the reason this matters. Getting nutrient dense food is hard. There are food deserts. There are entire systems at play to keep us away from nutrient dense food. And if you make a condition of getting food aid access to something you are denied access to, you are guaranteeing hunger. And you are doing so under the guise of nobility, but with a very real intention of causing harm to the most vulnerable among us.

[Jane Costen]

I also think that there's so much moralizing with food, like no one is looking into your Whole Foods cart about your organic potato chips. And yet we are very willing to tell poor folks how to eat and what to eat and what not to eat in a way that the same people would scream about government overreach if we did the same to wealthier people.

[Stacey Abrams]

And the reason it is so absurd is that the very architects of the systems that are denying access are the ones are also denying solutions. We know that grocery stores base their locations in part on your census data. So if you don't get clued in the census, it can be years, it can be a decade at a time before you can get access to a grocery store. And yet those same communities are often denied full participation in the census. And so you are in these food deserts because the systems that could get you out, you're dissuaded from participating. I recently wrote a children's book called Stacy Speaks up, and it talks about how kids can get involved in this dynamic. When a child is denied a school lunch, there's a federal program called the Summer Books Program that could feed hungry children. And yet governors like Brian Kemp and governors like Greg Abbott and Ron DeSantis have refused to accept the money because they say, well, it's not going to be healthy for children because they think hunger is healthier than having any caloric intake. If you're going to deny the solution, you cannot then, to your point, moralize about why the problem exists. You are either part of the problem or you're part of the solution. And while I am hopeful that Brooke Rollins proves me wrong, her work with the American First Policy Institute suggests that she intends to be part of the problem.

[Jane Costen]

And what does Project 2025 say about addressing food insecurity?

[Stacey Abrams]

So there are two big food programs. There is SNAP and WIC. SNAP is the the supplemental food aid, what used to be known as food stamps. And then WIC helps women, infant and children. They intend to cut both of those programs. So you're telling the poorest and the most vulnerable that we not only don't intend to help you, we intend to blame you for your lot in life, deny you the benefits that would get you out of that, and then hold you accountable for not having solved the problem on your own. Project 2025 is designed to harm communities. That is its purpose. And the trend, the tangential program, which is what Brooke Rollins has led, which is not the same as Project 2025. It's sometimes worse. They've got a bunch of executive orders they've got ready to go. They're all designed to strip the most vulnerable of the very few levers they have to get things better. But knowing is why we need to take action. We've got to do the work of tackling this not only by paying attention at the federal level, but we've got to pay attention at the state and local level. We've got to pay attention to what's happening in our schools, what's happening at our state legislatures. Project 2025 might start in Washington, but it's coming for a state legislature near you.

[Jane Costen]

Let's get into some of those solutions. You just did an entire episode about food insecurity with Top Chef Judge Tom Colicchio for your show Assembly Required. The two of you talked about Tom's background as a food activist who's used his platform to advocate for food justice. He's testified before Congress about hunger and spoken to tons of lawmakers about food insecurity. And as you said, state and local governments have a huge impact on hunger in our communities. Here's a clip of Tom talking about it on your show.

[Tom Colicchio]

But on the state. On the state level, yes, a lot can be done. A lot of the money comes from a federal government, but it's actually, you know, especially Looking at things like school lunch. Right. That's a federal pro. It's funded by the federal government. But that's a state run, county run, you know, district run run program. And when you looked at so many governors that weren't taking that additional money that the Biden administration was giving out, that's just telling your constituents you don't care for them.

[Jane Costen]

Can you paint a picture of how federal funds could improve neighborhoods beyond school lunches if allocated?

[Stacey Abrams]

Well, I know you said beyond school lunches, but I want to bring that in because school lunches often help middle class and lower income families who can't afford that extra meal because they're paying higher rents. And so while we tend to think of school lunch programs as being purely about the poorest, it's actually what the community is willing to support. Because we know that if we had universal school lunch, that would actually reduce cost overall and would reduce prices at the grocery store. You could pay less at the grocery store if kids got to eat because the cost efficiency of schools buying all of that food actually reduces prices. Tom does an amazing job of describing that. This is not about race. It is not about region. It's not even totally about income. It's about access. And we have access to opportunities, but we also have impediments to those opportunities that we don't see because sometimes they're invisible or because they're just hard to look at directly.

[Jane Costen]

I think that that's something that's so important is, and Tom touched on it, is what food insecurity actually looks like in our communities. Tom touched on it during your conversation. Here's a clip.

[Tom Colicchio]

This isn't just an issue of poverty because there's hunger in every single county in this country.

[Stacey Abrams]

Yeah.

[Tom Colicchio]

And the difference in America is that it's not like the Sally Strothers commercials that we grew up on. It doesn't look like hunger, doesn't look like that in America. It doesn't look like the kids with distended stomachs and flies flying around. It doesn't look like that it's your neighbor who is struggling.

[Jane Costen]

So how can people like us do their part to help their neighbors throughout the year? Because food banks, a lot of times they get overrun for Thanksgiving and Christmas, but you know, when kids are really hungry. Summer break.

[Stacey Abrams]

Exactly. So one is make sure that if this is an issue that matters to you, that you're giving and not just giving during Christmas and during Thanksgiving, as you pointed out, but that you're giving year round. Make that your financial contribution, because people are always hungry. Number two, ask questions. Every single state has an ag committee at the state level and so make sure you know who is in charge and make sure they hear from you. Number three, ask your community groups what they're doing to tackle hunger. Is it that once a month you have a potluck? Potluck can solve a lot of problems. For a family that's trying to make it from week to week, if they know there's one day a week or one day a month where they don't have to solve for that meal, that's not only stress relief, that's food in the bellies. But then it's also asking questions about the systems we have in place. We're talking about zoning issues where you only have access to liquor stores and gas stations, not grocery stores where convenience stores are okay. But you can't get the zoning or the income stream that you need to have a grocery store in your neighborhood. So we need to be asking zoning questions and those questions can be asked by anybody who votes. You don't have to live in the neighborhood of need to have the right to speak up. These aren't just problems we can solve during the holidays. These are problems we can solve by believing that we have the right and the responsibility to take action.

[Jane Costen]

Stacy, thank you so much for coming on.

[Stacey Abrams]

Thank you for having me.

[Jane Costen]

That was my conversation with Stacey Abrams. We'll get to more of the news in a moment, but if you like the show, make sure to subscribe, leave a five star review on Apple Podcasts, watch us on YouTube and share with your friends. More to come after some ads. What a day is brought to you by Aura Frames. The best gifts feel like they were picked out just for you, which is why Aura Digital Picture Frames are perfect for the holidays. It's easy to set up and get connected to your photo library. I have a lot of family who live very, very far away and we don't get to see each other very often. But with Aura Digital Picture Frames, I get to see them and they get to see us every day. For a limited time, visit aura frames.com and get $45 off Aura's best selling Carver Matte frames by using promo code WAD at checkout. Terms and conditions apply. Water is brought to you by Bookshop. Maybe you're searching for history that helps you make sense of this moment or a novel that takes you out of it. Bookshop.org has you covered. Bookshop.org helps foster culture, curiosity and a love of reading for generations to come. Every purchase made directly supports local independent bookstores. Find your nearest shop with the bookstore map. Use code WAD to get 10% off your next order at bookshop.org crooked that's [e-mail] crooked for 10% off. What a day is brought to you by the Zero Emission Transportation Association Education Fund. The Zeta Education Fund wants Americans to know about the positive economic impact the EV and battery supply chain is having on our communities. Like how it's already created 240,000 jobs and attracted $177 billion of investment. More than a million EVs were sold in the US last year and there are currently over 200,000 public charging locations in the United States. Join forces with the Zeta Education Fund and help spread the facts about what a transition to EVs means for the future of America. Get on board@zeta zeta.org join and now the News Head of Lines.

[Joe Biden]

Have some good news report from the Middle East. We just spoke with the Prime Minister of Israel and Lebanon. I'm pleased to announce that their governments have accepted the United States proposal to end the devastating conflict between Israel and Hezbollah.

[Jane Costen]

That's President Joe Biden speaking Tuesday. The two month ceasefire went into effect at 4am local time today and he said he hopes it will last longer.

[Joe Biden]

The fighting across the Lebanese Israeli border will end, will end. This is designed to be a permanent cessation of hostilities.

[Jane Costen]

The deal would be enforced by Lebanese troops and UN peacekeepers who would be stationed in southern Lebanon. There are some doubts as to how well they'll be able to enforce it though. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in a statement that Israel, quote, reserves the right to act against every threat to its security. At the same time as the agreement was announced, Israeli planes intensified bombing in Lebanon, including in Beirut's crowded southern suburbs. But at a press conference Tuesday, Secretary of State Antony Blinken said he hopes a ceasefire between Israel and Hezbollah bodes well for negotia negotiations with Hamas as well. I also believe that by de escalating tensions in the region it can also help us to end the conflict in Gaza. In particular, Hamas will know that it can't count on other fronts opening up in the war. President Elect Donald Trump said on Monday that he wants to use his first day in office to enact sweeping tariffs on our three biggest trading partners, Mexico, Canada and China. And since then, the reaction on Tuesday was a mix of concern and a sort of let's see how this shakes out. On the concern side, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said he spoke with Trump Monday night and that they had a good talk. But he also said that he would hold an emergency meeting with other Canadian officials to figure out how to respond.

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

This is a relationship that we know.

[Stacey Abrams]

Takes a certain amount of working on and that's what we'll do.

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

One of the really important things is.

[Stacey Abrams]

That we be all pulling together on this.

[Jane Costen]

Mexico's new president, Claudia Sheinbaum, said she was prepared to retaliate with similar tariffs. On the wait and see side, the world stock markets were mostly stable. But if Trump actually does this, the consequences could be huge. We could see higher prices on vegetables, cars, lumber, clothes, beer, electronic equipment, a whole bunch of stuff. I hate that for us. Donald Trump isn't in the White House yet, but there's already a scandal that someone in his inner circle has his palm open for bribes. Shocking. The advisor involved is Boris Epstein, and he was under an internal investigation. That's because he was accused of offering to put in a good word for two potential administration picks in exchange for money. One of those potential picks, Scott Besant, who was nominated by Trump last week for treasury secretary. The New York Times reported Epstein offered to promote Besant in February for a cheap fee of 30 to $40,000 a month. That is too much money. Besant turned the offer down. Trump himself told a conservative website that he was unaware of the allegations. Even Eric Trump chimed in on Fox News Monday, saying he's never seen that side of Epstein. But there will be consequences if he did take bribes. You do not, you do not do that under any circumstance. And believe me, there will be repercussions if somebody was. At least one of Trump's lawyers suggested that they cut Epstein's access to Trump. But for now, it doesn't seem like Trump's transition team is taking the advice. Comms director Steven Chung said in a statement that they're, quote, moving ahead together as a team. The Biden administration says it wants Medicare and Medicaid to cover the cost of big name weight loss drugs like Wegovy and Zepbound. There's an existing law that prevents Medicare from paying for drugs specifically for weight loss. The administration proposed a way to sidestep that law on Tuesday. These drugs can be prohibitively expensive. A month's supply can cost more than $1,000. The change could make them available to millions of Americans who struggle with obesity. It also likely sets up an interesting standoff with Trump's pick to head the Department of Health and Human Services. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Doesn't like the drugs. He knocked the cost on Fox News ahead of the election. If we spent about one fifth of that giving good food, three meals a day to every man, woman and child in our country, we could solve the obesity and diabetes epidemic overnight. You know, those famously giving Republicans. But because Biden is at the end of his term, he can't take it across the finish line. The incoming administration would need to endorse the change for it to become official. And that's the news. One more thing. You may have seen a lot of media stories over the last few weeks or actually the last few years about how to talk about politics around your Thanksgiving table in our time of Trump. Or maybe you've been trying to figure out whether or not to broach the subject of politics with relatives you disagree with. Now, personally, I'm a non confrontational person. Despite what I do for a living, I actually don't talk about politics with my family very often. See, I was raised Catholic in Cincinnati, Ohio, where when it comes to politics or religion or feelings or anything serious, we follow an ancient tradition best explained by comedian John Mulaney. We keep our emotions right around the solar plexus region and then we eventually die. So I'm not the best person to ask about how to talk about politics with your cousin you love so much, but who thinks tariffs are going to bring back the American avocado industry or something. And I'll also say you can just talk about anything else. Has your cousin seen Wicked yet? Did they sing in the theater? Why did they sing in the theater? Could they possibly please not sing in the theater next time? But I digress. You know who is ready to chat about how best to talk about politics with your family? Brian Tyler Cohen. He's one of the most popular progressives on YouTube and he spends a ton of time talking about how to change mindset, even the ones belonging to your nearest and dearest. We got to talk about how to handle the holidays with MAGA loving family. And we even agreed to disagree on the critical issue of which pies are best. Brian, welcome to Water Day.

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

Thanks for having me.

[Jane Costen]

So let's start with you. Do you talk about politics with your family at Thanksgiving? Because I do not. I choose peace and I choose avoidance because I'm from the Midwest and that's what we do.

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

Yeah, well, as a coastal elite going back to New Jersey for the holidays, it's okay. Like when I talk to my family, it's not a situation where there's any hostility. At least my immediate family, there's no hostility. We'll talk about it in the sense that it's what I've got to talk about. I've at this point, sacrificed so much of my life that it's not really like I can talk about anything other than what was on C Span that day. Right. So I'm kind of forced to in that sense. But there is definitely a limit that I'm willing to talk about politics when I'm off the clock, so to speak.

[Jane Costen]

Right. There is something like when you work in this field, people just ask you questions.

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

Yeah.

[Jane Costen]

And often it's in Ubers in which I'm like, no, we're not doing this.

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

You have to get the. You have to go earbuds right away.

[Jane Costen]

Yep, yep, yep. But then when it's with family, you kind of feel like you need to participate in this conversation because of obligation. They're trying to make it work. Are you. Has your approach to these conversations changed since 2016?

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

Yes, and I think it's going to have probably the most pronounced change now. And the reason I say that is because now we're entering a period of uncertainty, and I think a lot of people rightfully are worried about what's to come. And so there's a lot of, like, what about this? What happens with the mass deportations? What happens with women's reproductive rights? What's going to happen with xyz? And I think this is an instance where I think it's incumbent upon all of us to show a little restraint, because we're going to have a lot of nightmarish things to talk about for the next four years. Way too many for comfort. And so this is an instance where I think that we'll have these opportunities anyway when they come up. So let's not kind of concoct things that haven't happened yet and just get ourselves worked up in advance.

[Jane Costen]

Right. So what's your advice for people who do want to have these conversations at the dinner table but feel unequipped to talk about politics with people who might disagree with them? Or also where it's so personal, where it's not like arguing with someone on Twitter, it's arguing with, like, your godfather. Yeah. How do you have those conversations? Or if you don't want to have those conversations, but you feel like you're forced into them by your extremely combative cousin?

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

Yeah. I think, first of all, I don't think anybody should be forced to talk about something that they don't want to talk about. And if that means that you're not going to be prepared to have a political discussion, because you either Feel ill equipped to do so, or you just don't want to, that's fine, and you can step aside. But otherwise, I do think, look, the reason that I do my YouTube channel is because my goal is to equip people with some facts that they can bring into these conversations. I think it's gonna become more incumbent on people to consume progressive media and to know, like, what the facts are in terms of pushing back against this stuff.

[Jane Costen]

Yeah, I'm. I'm curious also, because I've done a lot of work on fact checking and found in many times it doesn't work. Like, if I explain to a relative that actually tariffs are attacks on the American people, and they say, no, it isn't because they want it to be true that it isn't. It's so hard to get past that. So how do you come in with facts and being prepared, but also recognizing that a lot of times people's political opinions are sadly not very shaped by facts.

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

Right. And they're entrenched in the way that they are. So I think that this is a microcosm for the political environment more broadly. Not everybody is persuadable, and that's okay. And sometimes it's a matter of expending our resources smartly and efficiently as opposed to just wherever we are at any given moment in time. So if we have, you know, I'm sure that there are people out there who have very entrenched family members in whatever political ideology they follow. Some people are not worth expending that energy to try and persuade people if they're immovable. And as is the case with politics more broadly, focus our energy on people who are up for grabs, who are persuadable. And I think that will save a little bit of sanity and probably some holiday dinner etiquette as well.

[Jane Costen]

Well, let's close on something that we can all come together around. Why is pumpkin pie so good?

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

Oh, man, you picked the one thing that I'm probably not gonna be able to stand behind. I think pumpkin pie is overrated.

[Jane Costen]

Wow.

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

Yeah, wow.

[Jane Costen]

I'm not persuadable on this issue.

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

See, you've learned. And I think that's us coming full circle right now. Sometimes it's not worth it for me to expend my energy on somebody who's immovable. Even if just to say that pecan pie is absolutely the best holiday pie there is.

[Jane Costen]

There will be more pumpkin pie for me. Brian, thank you so much for coming on.

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

Thanks for having me.

[Jane Costen]

That was my conversation with Brian Tyler Cohen before we Go. Dan Pfeiffer had an exclusive sit down with Jen O'Malley, Dillon, David Plouffe, Quentin Faulks and Stephanie Cutter from the Harris campaign on yesterday's Pod Save America. And after he followed up with a Q and A from our subscriber community. To hear his takes and answers, check out the exclusive bonus episode on the Friends of the Pod. Discord when you subscribe to Friends of the Pod, you're also supporting Crooked's mission to build a progressive media ecosystem. Plus, we're offering 25% off annual subscriptions right now. Head to crooked.com friends or subscribe now from the Pod Save America feed on Apple Podcasts. That's all for today. If you like the show, make sure you subscribe, leave a review, take your turkey out to Defrost because I know you've forgotten, and tell your friends to listen. And if you're into reading and not just about how grateful we should be that we no longer enjoy certain Thanksgiving dishes like turkey aspic and savory jello salads like me, what a Day is also a nightly newsletter. Check it out and [e-mail] subscribe I'm Jane Coston and enjoy the long weekend. I know I will. What a Day is a production of Crooked Media. It's recorded and mixed by Desmond Taylor. Our associate producer is Raven Yamamoto. Our producer is Michelle Eloy. We had production help today from Tyler Hill, Johanna Case, Joseph Dutra, Greg Walters and Julia Clare. Our senior producer is Erica Morrison and our executive producer is Adrian Hill. Our theme music is by Colin Gilliard and Kashaka.

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